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Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the Caglecast, where we're all about political cartoons, and today our topic is Fox News, and we have four brilliant cartoonists joining me today to talk about Fox News. Gentlemen, it's great to see you all.

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to be here. So, Pat. Bagley is the brilliant cartoonist for the Salt Lake Tribune in Utah since 1979. And Pat has won a ton of awards, including the Herblock Award, and he's also a shining star in our profession. And Pat, this is one of yours.

Yes, it definitely is one of mine.

Well, I thought this was great. He's puffing on the right wing media glue.

Oh yeah, and the thing is, you know, you, do this kind of thing, it just rots your brain. And if you are on Fox News, or Sinclair News, or Limbaugh, or InfoWars, or any kind of stuff, it just is brain rot. That was the idea of the cartoon.

Well, also, Fox News is kind of a, soap opera cesspool of, Sexual harassment and crazy big egos and lies and lawsuits and, just huge, crazy, nasty stories.

There's something in that glue,

I noticed they're, they're toning things down a bit now after their, voting machine lawsuits. they're correcting things on the air. Now they're.

Really, it seems to be like they're just as crazy and terrible as ever.

Well, I've seen a couple, like, we actually, I don't actually have Fox, but I've seen clips where they're actually coming on and saying, Oh, actually, that President Trump, did not win the election. You know, they'll have to correct, uh, a guest or something. Yeah.

Wait, wait, they don't.

They're more arrogant than ever, particularly that new guy, Jesse Waters. Oh, Waters. By Skin Crawl.

But Dave, they don't allow FOX north of the border.

Well, you know what, I don't know if that's true anymore. At one point we couldn't get FOX, but now it's not part of the regular cable package. And I have quite a few channels and it's not on there. So I think You can get it if you want to. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So once we get it up here, then we'll be shifting fully over to insanity too, I'm sure. I

thought this was a great one. You got this supply chain starting with Fox News going to the emergency room and straight to the mortuary. What did you have in mind on this one? So

this was in 21 after the COVID epidemic had been running for over a year. Then you start to get this vaccine skepticism. You know, saying that it's probably a deep state conspiracy and 5G, microchips, it's just crazy stuff. So Fox News is suggesting to their viewers that maybe they shouldn't be getting vaccines. So that leads to people not getting vaccinated. Leading to getting sick, leading to dying, and COVID is still with us, it's still out there.

Florida, which is absolutely crazy. You put a lot of the blame for that on Fox. Oh, yeah.

And let me interject really quick. I could, can we go back, Daryl? it's no small task to get a building, a hospital and a mortuary all within one frame in one cartoon. And, uh, and, and, and. Wuerker Matt Matt does that well too with oh, yeah with buildings.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thought this one was great fun Pat you've got Rupert Murdoch the vulture feeding his babies with All of his news vomit. I think that's fun. Although I see now that it was in Spanish But an excellent cartoon

Oh, it's Spanish. It is Spanish.

Why is it in Spanish?

Well, we do Spanish cartoons, and I grabbed the wrong cartoon. But it's excellent in Spanish.

I mean, it's, it's, it's clear what it's saying. Yeah. Rupert Murdoch is the brains behind Fox News, News Corp, and The Sun British tabloid. And it's bombing up all this nonsense to vote,

what's it say, Votante State Trump, Votante State Trump, Votante State Del Brexit, Oh Brexit

voters. Yeah. This is one of those, what the French call cliches that the, the cartoonists love to do is the bird vomiting into the mouths of their babies. I did one too, which was, uh, Trump, uh, Tweety Trump vomiting into Fox News.

That's a full on exorcist vomit there, so.

That is really disgusting. It's not cute cartoon vomit, it's not cute cartoon vomit, it's

Yeah. So the thing about Rupert Murdoch is that any country where he's got a foothold in, their politics goes absolutely crazy and nuts. Rupert Murdoch has a presence in Australia, they have a presence in Britain, he had a presence in the United States. Not in Canada, right? Yeah. Okay, but in all those countries, right wing craziness destroyed the politics.

I think though, that Rupert deserves a pass on all that because he was the guy that first hired Pat Oliphant, apparently. Oh,

so he gave us, uh, Pat Oliphant in one hand and then Donald Trump in the other, so. Yeah. And

don't, don't forget the Simpsons. You know, this is something on Matt Groening's conscience. I don't know how he feels about being a cornerstone of the Murdoch empire,

but that's true. Okay, let's go. Let's go.

So Steve Breen is a two time Pulitzer Prize winner for the nonprofit news website. iNews source and he drew for the San Diego Union Tribune for 22 years and he writes and draws Children's books great to have you here Steve.

Oh, thank you Well, this is Tucker Carlson, obviously and he

got that exclusive on the video from the capital and he edited it to make it look like these are nice patriots on vacation

Yeah, I think, I think I was just pressed for time this day and I just, grabbed the photo and went from there.

we actually did a whole podcast on, Tucker Carlson. He's such a rich subject.

Well, you're right. And anytime anyone just deals in craziness and absolutes, there's such a great target. it was just ludicrous what he was saying about the, January 6th. maniacs at the Capitol. So, this one wrote itself.

Also, the way that he was fired shows that they really don't have very much equity in their, their big ego positions at Fox. Any of them get canned at any minute.

Yeah. it was a stunning fall from grace though. I mean, he was their golden boy. And then the next minute, like a week later, he was gone.

Yeah. Did any of you think that had to do with the billion dollar lawsuit that they lost? Is that one of the conditions?

I think it was that his emails That got out, as part of the lawsuit that made him look, duplicitous That he was, turned into a liability in that week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Money talks. Here's another one from you, Steve. You've got Rupert Murdoch. He says pets are expensive and he was as bad as the fox. Of course, the fox is on his leash.

yeah, I guess if you look at his empire, the fox. Has brought the most damage or some of the most damage. yeah, Rupert is great to draw with all that extra skin hanging everywhere.

well, let's move on to Dave Whamond. Dave Whamond is an incredibly prolific cartoonist. He draws two comics, Reality Check and Day by Dave, and Dave is also a prolific illustrator. He does puzzles, greeting cards, and lots of top selling children's books. Great to have you here, Dave. Thanks for having me. So tell us about the Fox News dumpster next to the toilet.

I think this is right around the time when CNN hired Chris Licht and he was trying to make the transition to, uh, a move to the right. And, he kind of did it in a fast way, right at the start, fired a bunch of. The usual hosts and they were saying some things that their viewers weren't weren't liking very much So I thought hey, they're trying to top Fox News. Hold my beer jump That's

fun and here you've got Rupert in the Dumpster firing for

Tucker My dumpster humor. You see a pattern here.

Yeah.

Yeah. I like, Tucker. He's always got that perpetual confused. Uh, like you're trying to explain Russian algebra to a five year old or something. He's going to get that, that look all the time deer in the headlights thing. So he's fun to draw. And of course, Rupert, as you said, with The wrinkles and sagging skin, he's perfect too, so lots of fun to draw. That's fun.

So, Matt Worker is a Pulitzer Prize and Herblock Prize winning cartoonist for Politico, where he also edits a great weekly roundup of editorial cartoons, and he's the president of the Cartoonist Rights Network International that does a wonderful job of offering support to cartoonists around the world who are in danger because of the cartoons they drew. Great to have you here, Matt.

Thanks, Daryl.

So, tell us about this one. This is fun.

this is fairly straightforward, you know, we had to go with the brainwash metaphor and Foxitis, cranium cleansing Foxitis.

Okay, so Matt, Matt, is, is the cap, is that the Jefferson Memorial? What? The cap on the, on the thing? Oh

my God. Oh, I think it is. Just me, yes.

Only, only, only a cartoonist would gather the Parthenon. I don't know that's the Pantheon. No, the Pantheon. Okay, here you go. I wanted it. I'm sorry. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. You were talking

about the Jefferson Memorial.

Only a cartoonist would catch that sort of thing, or, or subconsciously do it, but I'm terribly sophisticated and I try to work monuments and architectural details in all the cartoons.

I think that the, uh, pink cherry blossoms around it are,

that's a great time. See, see, I'm invoking Washington,

So why the Jefferson Memorial?

because attempting to contain the contagion of Foxitis. It's the, it's democracy fighting back against fox. So it's not, it's nothing, it's nothing that sophisticated or anything like

that, but it's nice detail. So

So, Matt, here you've got flooding the zone with the January 6th committee hearings and Fox and mega media blasting it with all of this nonsense. I think that's great. It looks, like fun.

Thanks. Thanks. Now I try to, I try to like throw some color and stuff and keep it somewhat on the light side, even though a lot of these topics are heavy and you don't want to trivialize too much. but this is the, uh, the Fox playbook, which is the Steve Bannon playbook, which is just flood the zone with the noise and bunk and all sorts of distractions when there's something going on. And that was going on big time during the January 6th hearings. Yeah. Yeah.

I think cartoonists do society a service when we trivialize these things.

ha ha ha Here's another one from you Matt here we have Tucker's tasty B. S. He says, I know it's complete B. S., but hey, they gobble it up. It's they're eating their Swanson's TV dinner. So this is great. Yeah, yeah, and a nod to Tucker being a trust fund kid from the Swanson's dynasty, so, I managed, I was happy that I got to fit that in. I was surprised, actually, that my, my editors let me, uh, that's where he got, he's really rich, he was rich before Fox, he was rich before Crossfire.

I used to love TV dinners.

I was raised on them. I know. I know. Salisbury Steak. The kids today don't appreciate Salisbury Steak. My first experience with tater tots. Mm hmm. And then there's that little dessert square, too. You can't forget about that. So this Audrey 2 cartoon is wonderful, Matt. You've got a big Trump Audrey 2 about to gobble up the Republicans. This is great. I'm so glad you picked this one because this is one of my favorite Trump cartoons and I've got probably hundreds of them.

So here you've got the MAGA Industries and the Gaslight Factory and the Big Lie. I like that you have all of the labels in here. This is a label cartoon, but the labels are what are, what's fun about it. Yeah, yeah, thanks. No, sometimes you have to resort to labels, but it's more, you know, more, more toxicity on an industrial scale here. cartoonists talk to each other about how, they try to avoid labels, but sometimes labels are fun.

Yeah, and you gotta name names, too. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that you, with the, the big lie coming out with the black background, I think a lot of cartoonists would have gone the other way and done the black smoke with the white background, but it's kind of a nice spin on it. It really pops out that way.

Oh yeah, the black background makes it ominous. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was sort of my intent. Gets a whole mood to it. So here we've got more fast food. . Yeah. Megan, who? The whopper, the big lie burger. Over 72 million con to stop the steel hang pants. Maga maga King. this is great fun. Mm-Hmm,

you don't, don't miss out on the, uh, dup dogs. And the window offered. Also the filet o chump. Excellent. . That's supposed to be Giuliani handing them out.

They do serve it up fast.

They do. They do.

So here we got one from Adam Ziglas. I batched some big lies together. you got the January 6th commission cutting down the cherry tree of Trump's Pinocchio nose. It says, if a tree falls in a forest and Fox News viewers aren't around to hear it, does it make a sound? which I think is a kind of a disturbingly true point.

No, we're seeing it now with Fox News Fox News Viewers don't hear about, Trump trying to be a dictator. They have not heard that.

They're not hearing it.

Well, even when he sat down at an interview with, I think it was Brett Baier or somebody, he was trying to steer him away from saying that because It's like he said, well, you don't really mean you're going to be a dictator and pick up on his like, well, yes, yes. believe them. Really? So here's Ed Wexler's big lie, you know, we did a whole podcast on Toilets and Trump, and, People were into Toilets and Trump.

Editors don't, you know, and the English love the poop. I'm very jealous of our English compatriots because they can draw all the poop that they want. And, uh, in fact, uh, uh, Martin Rawson, who draws for The Guardian, who draws a lot of poop in his cartoons, quite effectively and quite beautifully, he refers to it as the fecal imperative, which sounds even better with an English accent.

So here's Andy Singer. This is another one that we would have trouble getting editors to print. We've got Fox News flipping the bird to the Fox News viewer, which is more, I think, a matter of the attitude that they have about their, viewers, But I thought this was kind of fun. cartoonists have a kind of macho attitude. We want to draw the harder hitting cartoons and then we have to get pushed back by the editors and that's always frustrating.

I'm almost wondering his expressions, almost like he's offended I think the Fox viewers would, if you're going to fully make fun of it, they would be. Happily consuming it.

I think a very large part of what Fox is all about is fear they want their white suburban rural Audience to be afraid of all these terrible cultural and racial things that are happening around them and It's fear that sells.

I agree. But what follows on that is hate. They have to hate somebody. If they're going to be afraid, if somebody's making them afraid, they got to hate that. And it's diversity, equity, and inclusion that is making them afraid they gotta hate it. And it's just nonsense.

So this is one of my cartoons. I have Fox saying, Be afraid, and I have the old couple who's watching it. One says, I need to go buy gold. The other one says, I need to go buy adult diapers. you know, the commercials on Fox are just as, crazy and defining of their audience. It's just, uh, The catheters and the pillow guy and, Fox News doesn't stop with the commercials start.

Yeah, no, it's true. I think the average age of the Fox viewer is about 99. So it There there's that silver lining. I mean, I think it's actually true. I think that the the average viewer I think is that somewhere in their 60s. So, maybe

that's true newspaper readers and editorial cartoon readers as well

Yeah, and editorial cartoonists, too.

Yes, a problem that we grapple with.

Yeah.

Here's Ed Wexler with, Trump, as, the kid in Poltergeist, transfixed by the evil spewing out of Fox News. And I just love it when cartoonists draw caricatures of the backs of people's heads. Yeah. I think there's just something so elegant about a caricature from the back of somebody's head.

That's a beautiful caricature.

And Trump does have a very recognizable back, above his head, the way he swoops his hair back. And Ed did a nice job there, capturing that.

Oh yeah, that's great.

Here we have Englehart, and the doctor is talking to Uncle Sam in front of the x ray machine. He says, you have cancer, and the cancer is Fox News, of course, in his colon. I liked this one, too. Fox News is kind of a cancer eating up America. Mm hmm.

Oh, yeah. I think you can trace the bright red line. You can trace the trust in American Institutions that make us a country to 1996, when Fox News was first established, because you start 1996, and they said, we are giving you the truth, we're going to tell you the truth, but doing it by undermining every other institution that makes us a democracy. They've undermined the press, and they're the press too. They're a big part of the media. But they're undermining the judiciary.

Yeah. And a lot of times something that's in the news, like when they're doing the January 6 hearings, I guess on Fox, they're, they're showing something about radon in your home or something, just the whole fear thing again. It's like, this is what we're focused on. We're not going to talk about what's going on with the January 6 hearings. Here's Randy Enos. He's got, Fox News, farting and, uh, suffering from the stench. I, God, I've never seen a cartoon part quite like I get it. All right.

Here's Jimmy Margulies, Garbage In, Garbage Out, Fox News, and the MAGA guy that results from it. I have noticed when we have our conservatives on the podcast, or talking to conservatives, the thing that annoys them most is the disrespect they get from the liberal cartoonists drawing the very good, law abiding, nice MAGA people as stupid.

Our, our, our job as cartoonists is to caricaturize people, though, and, you know, you see some of them on TV, and it's harder to caricaturize them, because they're already sort of, walking

caricature. So, so, so, Steve, Steve Breen is probably the most conservative cartoonist among us right now. And I want to know, are we being unfair?

No, not, not in my estimation. And I've, even though I'm conservative, I've, I've gotten that too, from, even from family members, offended at my depictions of, MAGA people and people who don't, you know, want the vaccine during COVID, you know, I was pro vaccine and I'm anti Trump, even though conservative, so. You can be both. Yeah. I guess, I'm concerned. I mean, everything's relative, right?

Yeah. But I think the whole, the whole Trump movement, I don't think is, uh, conservative really anymore, is it? You know? Yeah.

Well, I was thinking of you, Steve, as kind of moderate.

Yeah. I, I think I'm, I'm moderate, I don't think I've changed on the issues, right? Like, it's not like I've become more moderate. I think I've always been the same, but I guess I look more moderate because of the way the country's going.

Well, and you're not alone too. I mean, look at Ramirez and Rick McKee and other people that I think of as like prominent, strong conservatives who got off the Trump train years ago too. Yeah, I

know. I was, really proud of, Ramirez, for taking that stand. I would not have guessed he would've, I, I would've guessed that he would've been all in on Trump.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see if he's paid a price in sort of conservative media? 'cause he was definitely a darling in a conservative media. I wonder if he's paid a professional price for not going along with the crowd.

Yeah. Mm-Hmm. I know. I wonder.

Well, there are new extra conservative cartoonists who seem to fill the gap. So it's not hard to find it, Okay, so I've got a few, uh, Hannity cartoons here. And they, uh They really do drink each other's Kool Aid. This is Steve Sack. God, I love that. I miss Steve Sack. And Steve Breen, here's another one of yours, who says, My vaccine position is unclear, says Fuzzy Hannity. I thought his vaccine position was pretty outrageously clear along with the rest of Fox.

yeah, this was done maybe in a moment there when he was saying, kind of talking out of two sides of his mouth.

Okay. Pat, here's one of yours. You got Hannity and the guy with this candle at the mirror. He says, Chant Hunter's laptop three times and proof of Joe Biden's crimes will magically appear.

Nice

caricature. thank you. it Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, and you're supposed to see, I don't know, something?

And Dave, here's one of your Hannity cartoons. You've got the Fox News Machine. You pour in Mark Meadows used personal emails to assist in coup attempt, and out of Hannity's mouth comes, they found Hillary's emails on Hunter Biden's laptop. I think that's fun. Good looking

machine. Whenever I can get an excuse to draw a Rube Goldberg contraption, I, take I'm always at the ready. But yeah, a lot of fun to draw, and, Hannity at the end, I thought that was kind of fun having him belt showed us all the, lies and nonsense that come up.

It is a lot of nonsense. Pat, I like this one. They're, they're wearing their COVID masks over their eyes as they're hearing all this Trump nonsense about January 6th.

Okay, it's a little busy, a little

No, it's not busy enough. Okay, spend a little time with it and it comes through.

I like the contrast though, it's super busy on the left and simple on the right.

Fox News just didn't cover any of this, so they were blind to it. So this is from RJ Mattson, the January 6th committee hearings and the Republican elephant putting himself into his Fox News bubble. So none of that has to get through to him.

That's beautiful. It is.

I've never, I've never seen something like that drawn before. That's great.

Yeah, you know, don't, don't, don't you get metaphor envy when somebody does something like that? It's like, damn. Totally.

So here's Chris Weyant in the bar. The bartender has this, uh, TV on and says, which coverage of the impeachment hearings do you want to watch? The ones where Trump's guilty or the ones where Trump's innocent?

That's the truth

changes from channel to channel.

So I think, I think some of us anyway are old enough to remember the Watergate hearings. And if there'd been a Fox News back in that time, Nixon would still probably be alive, probably still be president.

Remember when Obama's tan suit was the biggest thing going on in the news for weeks and, ah, the simple times, eh?

So here you've got Ed Wexler with another ostrich cartoon with the Fox News. Couple, one's hiding his head in the ground, says, Credible witness, shmedible witness, I don't see that Trump committed any crimes. The wife says, Neither do I. Here he is. MAGA guy's watching Fox News says, I've been lying to you. And he says, I don't believe that.

And even when the judgment came out, they, I think they at first didn't announce the amount of the judgment or it was kind of like, and we were fine, 300 million, like, you know, they wouldn't admit how much they lost in the lawsuit.

And all their crazy incriminating emails that they were reading on all the other channels never found, any voice on Fox. They're terrible emails. Really spelled out everything that they are. Here Pat, you have Tucker and Hannity and Murdoch, and they're saying we need to lie about election fraud to keep our audience, and the audience says, you get me. Yeah. I think that was

great. They, they lie. They just lie. And, I don't know if I, Uh, it's, it's frustrating because I think most of us grew up in an era where news was more grounded in reality. But this is just pure propaganda.

I naturally feel like I should believe what people say that they think when they say that they think that. And, these emails were all about how they. Knew what they were saying was wrong all along and they were calculating it. And it's because they do know their audience. And that's very disturbing. We hear that about The people in Congress, in the Senate, um,

Yeah. Um, Actually, No, no, I mean, I mean,

believe something different when what they say.

Romney, uh, was interviewed by McKay Coppins, of the Atlantic, and he came out with a book about Romney, and I read the book, and Romney has nothing good to say about any of his Republican co, co electors, or people who are in Congress. Nothing. And I read this and I go, Why aren't you a Democrat? But he can't go there and I don't quite get it. By the way, I'm proud of this Murdoch, caricature. This is

By the way

Matt, here's one of your Murdochs, I put a few Murdochs together here You've got Murdoch pushing the escalator away for Trump to fall down, but this Might have been just drawn in a moment of optimism.

It was, it was, it was, uh, when Trump started, the latest campaign and there were rumors that Rupert wasn't backing him. and I thought, oh, this would be one way to sort of capture it visually. And, you know, this happens sometimes to cartoonists, you get it all wrong. And, I think, it's interesting to see how Rupert may have desired to push the escalator away, but, In the end, Trump owns Fox more than Rupert. Maybe Rupert, maybe that has something to do with Rupert deciding to retire.

Sorry, Rupert got it wrong. Because they were promoting DeSantis. They were pushing the DeSantis early on. He was the next guy

and they thought Trump Trump's time had passed or whatever yeah, and this is something about you know, the puppet master finds out that no, he's actually the puppet.

Yeah Yeah

Well, you know usually when cartoonists get it wrong. It's Because they're more pessimistic than they should be, I think, so, uh, I, I like optimistic cartoons.

I think when Trump lost the election, I think all of us cartoonists thought, uh, well, that's it. We had a fun four years, but, uh, you know, we got to, you know, try to make fun of Biden and we thought Trump was standing in his omelette bar in Mar a Lago And I thought he was just gonna fade away. Nope. He's back. No vengeance.

Nope. Yeah He's just like he's like COVID. He just sort of mutates And just when you think that we've got a vaccine and he's going to go away and drift away, he mutates and comes back stronger.

Here's another one of yours, Matt. It's a Hindenburg cartoon, which is another one of those wonderful cliches that cartoonists all love to draw. Everybody's drawn a Hindenburg but you know, the Hindenburg never gets old. It doesn't. It doesn't. Yeah, and Rupert Murdoch says, Just further proof of our continued commitment to the highest standards of air travel.

You know, the Woody Allen voice weirdly works with Rupert. I don't know.

I don't have that many voices. That's a good one. Here's Adam Ziglis, Rupert says, You need a settlement too? Uh, boy, did they have all the sexual harassment, lawsuits. you know, I always think of that stuff as the tip of the iceberg, if you're going to hear about anything. So what a huge iceberg of sexual harassment must be hidden under the surface there. Oh,

oh, oh, we're, we're, I'm still waiting for Waters, because he's such a creep. So he knows it's going to come out. I'm just, I'm just waiting.

Well, I, I, he bothers me for his, smarmy arrogance and, it just, runs chills at my spine. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It makes you, it makes you miss O'Reilly.

Yeah.

I could only take him in small doses when he was on O'Reilly. You know, I, I, but, he's like Hannity. And that, uh, there's just, there's no substance there. There's just like a Smug meanness. Yeah, yeah.

It's interesting to me that there is a lot of smugness on Fox. And, uh, that must be something that the audience likes. Yeah. You know, I'm liberal, and I see some smugness on MSNBC, and I don't like the smugness. Yeah. Um, so it's interesting to me that that culture would like the smugness.

I gotta say, I think you have to have grown up in a religious environment. to really appreciate how that works. I grew up in a very, uh, rigid religious environment, and you look to authority. You look to people who are smart, who know what, seem to know what they're talking about. I mean, if you look at Trump, even now, turn down the sound, he seems to be in command, and that's what people want.

Well, I think, I think you're right, and if you look at, history, I think that it, what you're saying is, is borne out by looking at, you know, all the strongmen that, that have, existed from evil kings to dictators to people who control Russia today, you know?

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly.

Oh, there's even people saying they admire Putin now, you know? And, and some of the, uh, even on Fox News, some of the commentators were, you know, it's, uh, who'd have thought we'd ever be there?

Yeah. It used to be that humility and self deprecating humor were things that people found attractive.

Yeah.

Here's one I did back in the Occupy, time, and I liked the Occupy movement. They were, they were largely, uh, non violent, and I thought that was fun. But Fox News found the most clowns to put on TV. That just struck me. So here's, uh, Steve Sack and he's got King Trump saying, now that's what I call a messenger. That's good. That's awesome caricature. That was wonderful. I love the tongue licking his foot. Steve is great.

I'll be making lots of bucks, so the parents will be proud. Yeah.

Oh, boy. And, uh, here's Monty Wolverton with the Fox News World Atlas that's ethnically sensitive. That's where all those people live.

Sorry, Dave. You're up there with the socialists.

That's the most socialist that's what you are, Dave. I, did a Mormon mission. I was a Mormon missionary in South America and Bolivia, the heart of South America, and I had to teach them how to make tacos. They're Mexicans, as far as they're concerned, they're just Mexicans.

It's the weirdest thing, they know nothing about Taco Bell.

True, true. Okay, but this is just saying that America doesn't have a very good, accurate, informed view about the rest of the world. We're pretty insular. We don't know anything about the rest of the world.

I gotta say, I watch our traffic pretty closely, both of these podcasts and who looks at the cartoons and what editors print the cartoons, and there is just, Fantastic disinterest in anything that happens outside of the borders of the United States. They just don't care about it. The readership drops off. I do a podcast about, uh, international, I do a podcast about anything but Trump bashing. And it doesn't get much traffic.

Daryl, I would notice that too. Like if I would do a cartoon on, an, international issue, almost without fail, no matter what it was, what part of the world, and I posted on Facebook and I knew it was a pretty solid. Cartoon it would get so few, uh, likes such little interaction from people. And and I I know that that's why people just don't care

Yeah, yeah,

it's frustrating on these issues that you'd like for people to care about, you know stuff like Ukraine or Israel and Palestine people don't want to see it They just don't want see it.

Yeah. And I love, I for one, love doing stuff on international events because I think the is such a fascinating, interesting place, so much going on and so many bad guys out there that it draws editorial cartoonists to the issues that are happening. Lots of injustice. Lots of bullies out there, but In fairness,

it's true with our international cartoonists as well. we can't get American editors to show any interest in the international cartoonists. We keep trying. And, internationally, it's hard for us to get international editors to have any interest in the American cartoons.

I'm so old that I remember Salt Lake Tribune used to print just international news on the front page, had to go into the body of the newspaper to get the rest of it. But international news was top Above the fold every single day. no, no more people who care

and then also in fairness to Americans I was going to say up here in Canada. We get mostly American TV. So that's why we know so much about what's going on down there and We'll make you guys watch Canadian tv watch the CBC for the next month

Well, we syndicate Dave Whamond's work, and he's a Canadian cartoonist, but we call him an American, and we put him up with the Americans on our site. We present him to the editors, and we don't make a secret that he's Canadian, but since he's with the American cartoonists, I don't think the editors even think about him not being American, and he does a good job of drawing like an American.

So, so, so, I, I didn't know that Dave Whamond was, uh, Canadian. should have known it. See? Yeah.

I do draw some Canadian themed cartoons, but there's just so much stuff going on, you know, you can't help it. It's just served up on a platter.

No, I gotta say you do a great job. Your stuff is wonderful. Oh, thanks a lot.

I think you make a great American cartoonist, Dave.

He is American. A lot of times we

think we're almost the same country, right? I think, you know, we're, we're very similar. I think we get all the same pop culture, everything. So

you're North American, right?

Yeah, there we go. We'll, we'll call it North America.

Well, sometimes, though, I think you get a little bit of pushback if somebody thinks that you're criticizing America and you're not an American.

Yeah, I can see that. I'm just, I'm more thinking about the politicians themselves. you know, that's, that's what I'm making a comment on.

Okay, well, hey, this was our last cartoon, and I think we had a great podcast. I enjoyed you guys. Thank you for being here. Good to

see all of you. Yeah. I'm good to see all. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, hang on to your hats for the next eight months.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's going to be interesting.

Well, Hey, thank you for coming. Remember to like, and subscribe to the Caglecast wherever you're watching it and join our mailing list at Cagle.Com. Subscribe and never miss out on a new Caglecast and. Thank you again so much, gentlemen, and I hope you'll come back sometime. Yeah. Thanks very much.

Thanks for the invite. It

was like a mini convention.

We'll have drinks next time. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I brought my own

good to meet you guys. See ya.