Welcome to Vancouver, True Crime, my Mark. I'm the host the show and I'm happy to be back with narcissistic Survivor. Today, we're going to talk about the abuse and the long-term effects that children receive from parents that are narcissists and these other types of personality disorders that they really affect their children from my observation. It's the children that do suffer the most. So thank you for coming back on
the show. I'm really appreciative to have you back times 3 and And the other shows have done really great. I've gotten lots of feedback, thanks for having me back. Mark x 3, the we'll do a few more of these and just spread some Awareness on narcissists and narcissistic abuse. And, and today's podcast talking about the effects on children, you know, children do suffer at the hands of their parents for a variety of reasons, right?
But with the narcissist abuse, it's a different sort of thing, right? It's just different Nuance because the parents in my opinion, always want to pretend The most wonderful parents, the most loving the most supportive and the most out there. But really either behind closed doors or even sometimes publicly they can be quite awful and then the children suffer greatly from it.
And mostly I see is that they suffer from low self-esteem issues, xiety depression and difficulty, forming appropriate, relationships, that I mean, realistically, we're probably not going to be able to cover every aspect of it today, but Having a narcissistic parent sets you up to accept abuse in later adult relationships and I post on this subject, a lot.
And most people, they kind of come to understand that their childhood may have been less than ideal after they have found themselves in an adult relationship with a narcissist. Believe it or not, in it, and it's almost like a backwards journey to connect those dots to the Sea. Molarities between a parent that you just were, you know, you when you grow up, you think your parent is normal or that all parents are like this, you know, kids don't know any different,
right? No, their world view is their world view, exactly. It's within your four walls and it's not until you get out of those four walls and experience other things in life that you find that you have repeated patterns that have That you learned that you observed and experienced in your childhood. And most people are gobsmacked by that. They, that is, that is the biggest shocker that I often find.
When, when people discover that, oh my gosh, like my childhood wasn't as great as I thought it was like, even, like, for mine, for example, like my mom, I I would put her in more as a hiss atonic a personality like really explosive love to cause Means family, gatherings, you know, but like I'll tell you, a quick story was pretty embarrassing. I was, I haven't really talked to my mom. And I, and a couple of year, it will be about a year and then she just to kind of lean.
Oh, we're gonna have the extend, the Olive Branch with each other. And there was a big, family reunions. So, lots of family that I haven't seen. Since I was a little kid and a lot of them haven't seen me since I was a little kid. So, for, for the first time they saw me, was as a man. I was like, 25, 26 years old. And, you know, Spend a lot of time in the gym and Sport so I can appeared very different than they remember me. So, you know, my aunt's and
people haven't seen her all. My God, Mark, you certainly look different and growing up and blah blah. And every person that would come and say something. Give me a call, but my mom would make some kind of snide remark. He's like one of those Meathead bodybuilders that you always complain about tomorrow. You're at a be just a crate, like, some kind of Stir It Up. Oh my God. Like, you know, you could never ever, you know, use the filter,
right? So, and that's why Part of it, those those loci snide remarks and then come back at you and say, oh, it was just a joke or if thin skin or, you know, stuff like that. And it's really designed to like, undermine your self-esteem. And that's rough. When that's your mom, your parent, your couch, and you can never really feel like you're could ever be at ease with that person, you know, especially with your parents when you're out. You're always going on. What's a big confrontation?
And arguments going to happen, she's going to piss someone off, you know? And so, you know, you as a child, you know, looking back, I did find myself walking on eggshells a lot. Probably the number one flat red flag when you're in a relationship with a narcissist is walking on eggshells? Yes. A lot of people are maybe going to tie those two things together to their childhood because growing up and never feeling safe. Never feeling safe with your
caregiver. That translates into adult relationships, like, nobody's business, for sure. So, in your opinion, this Your observations and your experience and stuff, do you believe that it's a child who grew up in a nest for lack of a better term? A narcissistic household is more likely going to form a relationship with a nurse's later in life. Well, that's a large question.
So, let me unpack it this way. So I'll start with saying children who witness abuse were just talking, you know, abuse now not narcissistic it again. General General. Okay. One of two things happen, either that child grows up to get into an abusive relationship as an adult, or they become an abuser in there, out of his ships, and that's the dynamic that you usually see.
And I mean, you can usually guess which one, you know, the boys generally grow into the abusers historically in the girls end up in an abusive relationships although that, you know, that's not always the case. Obviously, but typically that's that's how it works.
Having a parent that's a narcissist, that's that's a bigger subject because all manner of different things can happen a lot of and and it might be interesting for some people to to read about some of the stuff online that we talked about or you know, take notes for later whatever I always recommend but kids can end up with behavioral and emotional. Shoes when they're suffering from this kind of distress at
home. And and you mentioned a few of them anxiety and depression or just the tip of the iceberg. A lot of times, there are many many studies now that show ADHD and boys in particular is directly linked back to domestic violence in the home loan for fun. Oh yeah. So Google that later for your reference because the boys are generally like, you know, it's sort of the old wives tale or whatever. Is develop differently, different rates or whatever.
So their behavior stuff comes out more physically, if that makes sense. And girls tend to get the other way, they internalize more. So they're the ones that end up with you know, Eating Disorders or getting evil. Being released based out just Sofia dating, that's what and and this is why ADHD is sort of harder to die. Diagnose and girls because it's it's a, it's a whole different presentation. But is it ADHD or is it trauma?
What it really is, is undiagnosed, childhood, trauma and developmental trauma as well, and then you have other stuff to like attachment issues attachment disorders. If you don't have a caregiver in your young years that you can become safe with their attuned to your needs. And whatnot, kind of like you were describing That sort of dynamic that wasn't there with your own mom so you can probably relate to that that you guys didn't have like right.
And if you have like anxious attachment or insecure attachment, you can look up the different attachment Styles. You know, again online for anybody who wants to read about attachment Theory, very true. And you end up in relationships with people who are emotionally unavailable like your parent and and all these other things, right? Yeah. The reason why I asked the question because I Then I am a big believer in like, where they
called a conditioning, right? Like if you, if you're in a terrible situation, you become used to it if you're in a great. Yes, we can become used to it, right? So a lot of people that weren't really empathetic and, you know, distance and cold and then we talk about all the nurses, think abuse of Mind Games and the gas like, you know, you're going to be used to that and through another person. So we're not when a partner. Does it your kind of beat your
to be more excited? This is this as a sum. I'm talking about openly, you probably going to be more Think of as someone who's never experienced it right? Yeah. Take it to a whole different, you know, you know, we're splitting hairs here. So you look at the current situation of Vancouver, you know, like the the how unsafe it's become the, you know, people on the SkyTrain being stabbed or the buses and you know, the constant horrible had Granville Street at Lon.
Oh my God. And then most of them are young people. And this is my point. Most of them are young people. Teen violence has gone up. So I'm sure I've been thinking a lot about Who know what's going on in these households, right? Um, teens what went wrong where they think that they can leave their house and do that type of behavior? I'm sure if their mom got bear sprayed or stabbed randomly, they'd be quite upset, but it's okay to do it to someone else randomly, right?
So something's going on. So there's some kind of Detachment someone during May because of the pandemic and then some of these households are a little bit on the toxic side and everyone's Trapped Under One Roof and kind of make everyone crazy, you see where I'm going. It's I've noticed that myself and it's not just Vancouver, it's almost everywhere that people being locked down like that. It you can look this up to the rates of domestic violence
during the were actually insane. And seeing and it was like, literally, like you said, like a pressure cooker, just everybody just just locked down in their house if you can imagine. Like just thinking about it gives me chills. I'm sure like You know, again, you know, people before the pandemic had, you know, they had their jobs, they had their
routines. And then let's say, they're two people under the house that are maybe having some difficulty in the relationship, but they can manage because they spend 10 hours apart from each other. Yeah.
Now they're spending each and every moment with each other plus, maybe their jobs been affected because of the, you know, the pandemic or maybe you know, there's a little there were there was a lot of reasons why this affected households you said something about what's going on in these peoples. Households. Yeah. And you know what? That's the question that nobody
asks. And and quite frankly even if they did ask, there are no real resources or supports for people who are struggling, single mom struggling under, you know, leaving an abuser and then you end up in poverty. So you've literally jumped from the frying pan into the fire. So now your kid is going out and shoplifting and you know, selling Oh, we'd buy himself a pair of shoes, right? It's all these things are so, so related.
It's, it's not rocket science, but but yet there's no, there's no real solution government intervention, it's brutal. And as you probably know as clearly as I do the mental health, and we're talking about Metro Vancouver, you know, Vancouver, Burnaby SRI, newest, right? The main, you know, the main area, the mental health services are completely Broken-down, overrun with the also combination, with mental health, issues that drug addiction issues. Yeah.
And just depend emic there. It's almost like the system is broken down to get to these other things that are important. Right? There are the wooden households breakdown and then kids, become juvenile delinquents and just or out the hell bent to destroy, and cause destruction and harm and hurt to the community. Everyone pays a price for that. That right? Yeah. Because they've been hurt, right? They they've been hurt at home 99 out of 100 times. They had some shit going on at home.
That was, that would curl your hair and I had kids, you know, once you get to know these kids, they're they're good kids. They're not, they're not bad kids, they need help, they need support. They need someone to listen to them to believe in them Cortana you some Those stories are so sad to be honest and I know from it would just break your heart and I had a lot of kids, you know, I take him to the gym and stuff and I had great relationship.
And yeah, even the bad kids, once you get to know them, they break their own. You know, they break their shell and they come out of her shell and stuff. My only until my only time where I'll be kind of nasty with them or when I feel bad intentions from them. Yep. For sure them. And then they're saying something like a, for example is walking across the store walking to the store like a few blocks from my house. And it was like three of them
and they're Ninja outfits. And they're all saying something across the street and I guess because you know I don't have any hair. There were screaming at me saying I look like Angie Tate, right? And you know but they I could tell they were trying to work themselves up to something right? Yeah. You know I just let them know like hey it's not going to work out in your favor and I don't want you. Kids awake up in the hospital so just just walk away just off. You do not look like a hundred
feet. Hurry do. But they're just trying to cause beefy return and Route 8. Yeah, much cooler to But like yeah, you know, sure they just want to be cough or start shit sometimes or whatever, but it's funny because you will always if you just observe for a minute and you've probably done this if you just watch them for a minute, you'll see the leader of the pack. Oh, totally about to pick them now.
Look like, and the other kids, the disenfranchised kids, the kids that have no. This is how gangs sort of get started. Literally what I'm saying? One of them were being. Yeah. Yeah, routed to like even locally like the situation. I was talking books, I got it got to know some of them and sure enough they they had, you know, gangsters in the background, trying to get them to sell these tobacco Vapes.
It's kind of like their introductory product and I just said to him straight up, do you know that 90% of people that get busted is because they get ratted on? So, no matter how good of a drug dealer? You think are going to be 90% of the time when you go down, it will because someone ratted on you. So, think about that. Think about, you know, all the, when you do that Alright. So I've had some pretty tough
conversations with them. You know that type of conversation when your kids brings home the bad kid.
You know, I'm using air quotes, they bring home the bad kid and you know after they go home you're like I don't want you hanging out with someone so they're this and that and the other thing and blah blah blah blah blah you know what you could change that kid's life just by being a decent person, being sort of a mentor or a parental figure so think twice About the kind of stuff that you're putting out into into the world. You know how help somebody out,
it doesn't cost you anything. Yeah. And like you said, a lot of times these kids are just simply lost. They have no parenting figures of, that's right. Knocking about in the beginning of the show. This is what I wanted to talk on the subject. Because again, so at home it really does right now as. Yeah. And then these kids, you know, they become lost. They become violent or stupid, or get involved in crime or
whatever, right. Yep. And all because, apparently, Neglectful and and too wrapped up in their own self at that or often they are. So overwhelmed, they're experiencing abuse domestic violence at home. Being a two-parent household.
But when you are when your partner is abusing you, it really takes away from your ability to be a good parent and that's something that people don't talk about and then and then, you know, people are like, well why don't you leave while we're just of all, were you gonna go? Are you You going to go to a shelter. There's a pretty good finances person. It's on an easy. I'm gonna pack up and go and your whole life, right? And then what and then you get
no child support. What do you supposed to live on? Were you going to rent? How are you going to live feed your kids, blah, blah, blah, right? Then Grossman and then you enter the cycle of poverty. So what what are your choices really at that point? You're just kind of in survival mode. Really, everybody is welcome. It'll give an example. Like I remember when I was this is a canoe A early mid 20s 2425. I was like 24 and I was living with my girlfriend.
We lived in and the owners. The house lived above us. Right? And we my mom, my girlfriend got along with, with the, the wife, the mother and her. They had three beautiful daughters that were like, particularly teens and stuff and they were so happy during the day, you know, doing stuff together. And and my girlfriend be up there all the time, you know, baking with them, cooking doing stuff.
And One time she's up there and it's around like Sable 5:00 and she looks o'clock because I guess they were having a good time and chit-chatting and you know I just having a fun afternoon. Oh no. Yeah and looked at the clock. Oh no. He's gonna be home since she started getting like my way. She described it. She started having like, almost like an anxiety attacks or grab potatoes really fast and she's like, what's going on? They want me to help you?
No, no, it's okay. I just, I just have to have just dinner ready when he comes home and it's like, yeah. And then and then, you know why I ever since that guy So, I always thought he was a loser, he was like this guy had like long hair and you die it. Like he tried to be like some kind of cool surfer, dude, but he wasn't like he dyes his hair like a dye, his hair blond, but he had all these like dark roots
and stuff. So you look kind of this like, like kind of like a sketchy kind of methods. And and and so ever since that I was so rude to him and I'm just like I would barely talk to him like I just want him to feel me like you know, I mean I never heard them argue and stuff, but the way she described, it's the look on her face and The fear. All that would have his potatoes. Ready when he gets home, it's like, oh my God, like it's like, oh that's awful. That's course of control.
And that's how you control somebody without laying a finger on them. See what when people think about domestic violence, they think, I mean, people often are getting physically beaten daily and that's the, that's the physical manifestation of that. But you and I were talking before he hit the record button. And, and narcissistic abuse is often way more subtle, like, I've had so many people write its mental abuse, psychological warfare.
Like the movie, anybody who's interested, watch that movie. That's where the thing comes from somebody. That is literally fucking with your head. Well, totally. And the thing is, like, like we were talking another one. I feel that a lot of these people, they have so much practice at it, like they've been doing it since they're probably like 15 or even Iran. In their teens rights right thirties or forties you know
this is the craft. This is the earth affected it by then absolutely you're good at yeah deal with because generally speaking when you deal with I mean I'm usage and let people let's go there a problem. Okay. Yeah you did this or did that and kind of discuss it then maybe it's not the most Pleasant conversation but you're you're getting through it together. You're trying to solve some with
them. It's our of like it's it's like you don't even know really what the problem is but there is a problem and they're they're making you pay for it. Eight, you know, and it's often a manufactured and inventive process invented problem or just another way to mess with your mind, right, period? So in the extreme like we're talking like you know this maybe this is a hard thing to speculate on maybe this is another conversation for another
time. Like let's say like in the states for example where we were talking about the most extreme thing, a kid can do is like a school shooting, I'm intrigued. I'm interested in and wondering like are the are those narcissistic households like, what would take a kid to do something of that Excel? And I remember there was this one in the UCLA and he was like some in cell and he wrote some
Manifesto detailed. And then the and this kid was the definitely on the nurses scale because he just felt that he was entitled to so much and because he didn't get what he was entitled to including girls and be girls being attracted to him because he was a rich kid and he had a BMW and didn't understand why girls weren't just, you know, Themselves item. Yeah, well, I wasn't getting laid. Yes, we decided to shoot up the campus, right?
Yeah, but but the the it's and then I'm thankful, I'm grateful that we don't have the same phenomenon can enact. Plus, we know we have our gun laws or don't make it as accessible. But still though, right? This is like a pretty horrific action that is beyond, you know, monstrous and then you wondering what was the route that chain of events? So, to speak that started at, did it start in early childhood? Good with the parent, you know? I mean like it and I bet it would.
It always does like, 99.9% of the time and I mean, that would be interesting to dig into a few of these cases because some of them are a bit different. And I have not particularly studied any of them. In great detail enough to comment on, you know, specific ones column by and sticks out too. But I mean, there's just been so many on the hook one that one's a strange because yeah, mom did. I'm like an enabler, the kid I want? Yes, yes, bought her kid, the AR-15 she.
What could go wrong? You have an autistic kid. He's not very well adjusted. Its by right, you know, a semi-automatic weapon and 100 rounds of ammunition. What could go wrong, right? And it's interesting because I mean human behavior does follow certain patterns. It's not this mysterious entity that that people can't figure
out. I mean, if you go online and you read about some of these cases you're going, Going to be able to see the patterns yourself, you know, single mom or poverty or, you know, any number of things, domestic violence. But when you mentioned about in cells, they are particularly violent, that's known. They have a sense of entitlement, like, all abusive men do. And I'm going to use a term men here because men often feel like you mentioned within cells, it's the same as abusers.
They feel entitled to Their wives and children they feel entitled to women's labor, Etc. So, when those things are taken away suddenly they get angry, that's just a pattern that that plays out all over the place all the time. The other, the other thing about shootings and I'm not talking necessarily about school shootings here, but most of the mass shootings, most of the mass shootings in the United States of America have been perpetrated by men. Men who have a history of domestic violence.
Oh wow, you didn't know that. Yes, sir. Well, I'm not surprised to learn that are affected in these homes, right? Like I look, I'll tell you another quick story about my mom. My mom would crate like it. Is that saying she would crate like these. The stupid like better work shitstorms over nothing. So my mom had a prize lilac bush. That was her whole, you know, the most beautiful, lilac, bush and the in history of lilac bushes, right? Was a Japanese lady that lived
next door. And she was walking by and she looked at them. I didn't see her pick it and she was just looking at it. And my mom made world war three with her and all of the neighbors, accusing, her of stealing the lilacs, and not only to stealing the lilacs, but the, the nicest Bloom on the whole thing and Japanese people. There's a thing called Saving Face.
When you accuse a Japanese person of doing something, they didn't do their just as ashamed of They did it because they look at it as like if you think that I'm such a low person to do something like that, you know? I mean that that that is a huge thing in their culture and all the neighbors are coming to my mom and say, oh, she would never do that. And, you know, all shed at the head, the entire neighborhood groveling to her for and I'm thinking what a Power Trip even.
I was like a light and look what a Power Trip sitting there on her throne and on the Neighbors coming. Oh Mako, would never do that. We do our part in the Japanese culture or no. For being like, so polite and stuff, you know, and oh my God, in the cloud. I was there. She just looked at it. And then she just walked away. And then and then it was like, oh, and then my mom's crazy head. She was just there with the with like cheers and his conspirators ranchers, and, you know, make up my God.
I was insane. It was totally found that you do that kind of stuff. All the time. You're in crate. Just conflict over a, you know, over nothing they do. And that's where the come, the walking on eggshells. It's literally comes from because you you don't know what is going to set this person off. At the end of the day it'll literally could be anything.
It could be some a thought that they've had, yes, yeah, right it's just whatever, whatever whim possesses them at the time and they feel like you know causing a stir and and that's what they do and everyone boughs to them and cower and will be not facing every yeah, you know, like catering whole, she would never do that. Ha ha ha right. Just trying to keep the peace. Do you do anything and everything you just throw everything out.
This person just to get them to calm down and to stop their rage attack. Yeah, really. Yeah, I know. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. And then for me anytime, like there was parent-teacher night or anything that involved other parents and kids, I always, you know, I was always like, fingers croquet. She's not gonna say or do anything. Crazy. Please don't hate, you know what I mean? So yeah, it's all right. Well, and that's up to every
person to kind of backtrack. And, you know, you once you start understanding narcissism, and, and kind of what it looks like that the patterns of abuse, you do, and how you grew up, you can kind of backtrack your own life and make those connections yourself, right? Right. And you can look back and you say, oh my God, that's Kind of how my first girlfriend was like, or whatever. Oh, my God, I acted like that, you know, at a certain period in my life, or you know what I mean.
You can kind of be your own, write your own therapist for sure. So then what I want to ask you, that is what did you feel? Is a biggest impact that nurses have on their kids? I mean which end of the scale lowest will generate maybe like the most common like known things like doctors like you know that click for me. Me, I feel that the biggest thing that narcissist do their kids and you destroy their self-esteem. They do they do and the things that came to mind, right away
were the attachment issues. You know, you're going to struggle with attachment in your later relationships, when kids are younger like we talked about in the, in the beginning, the the behavioral and emotional issues like things like, oh, Didi Oppositional, Defiant Disorder. Things like that, this Association, you know, these type of mental health disorders, and then you can go up the Spectrum to having complex, PTSD, or PTSD diagnosis.
You know, the thing I hear a lot about, so basically, this is this is a scenario. I hear a lot about that. Gets repeated a lot and different scenarios where the dad's a narcissist. Right everyone. Yeah, that's the most common, most more narcissists are male than female like At least that are four to one at last count. So the dad's a narcissist and then it's a like, the the oldest daughter. Let's say there's a bunch of kids, the oldest daughter. I heard a lot of times.
He the dad and not necessarily he's doing anything sexual or grooming, but it's almost like the oldest daughter becomes a second wife. The Golden Child, we cater to me. You make my lunch break through this. I need your help for getting an appointment. You got to, you know, yeah, like that. I've seen that a lot that's very common. Actually, I can see that in my own Situation with my kids. The oldest daughter is is favored and it's The Golden Child Dynamic at that point.
Then it's the same with sons to. If you have a son or a daughter, the sun is often heavily heavily favored. The girl child is the subservient one, you know, cooking and cleaning and whatnot. And yeah, yeah, absolutely. Again, with my situation, my brother was a golden child, he drew couldn't do anything wrong. Wrong. Even though he was the Hellion. Yeah. Note that because my mom didn't have as much had more control or over me and had zero control
over him. So he she took her, took it out on me because she's all over me. Right. Seven years younger, right? Yeah. That caused a lot of resentment seeing someone literally get away with murder and then you can't do anything without the
most severest of punishments. Well, and that's usually if there's more than if there's only two kids that usually all the Golden Child usually holds that position for forever unless they do. Things they have to like just about murder, someone to come home to that role and sometimes not even then, but the the second child is goes between the scapegoat or the Forgotten child. They're just like, they're just kind of there in the house. If there's more than one child, it's The Golden Child.
Forgotten, child, scapegoat Dynamics, so the scapegoat gets all the gets all the Heat and the shit for the family just like you did, right? Yeah. Uh-huh. No, I totally agree with you and it's definitely Scary World out there, it really is. And it's literally as if you if they know again back to these kids, it's like one are they? They're kind of perpetuating a scary world but they don't understand the full consequences of it and how can they they can't?
Yeah, and it's very not until eventually there yet they cannot, they cannot understand know and what it comes down to is the responsibility. Adults, the parents and our society, like, for example, a comedy bear Springs. Have you heard? And then they make a report that oh we're considering not allowing kids to buy pepper spray anymore. Are you really that slow to kind of get ahead of stuff? Like I went on your podcast yesterday and I hadn't been there.
The person's co-host was from Toronto and this guy is from New York and his brothers and NYPD cop. Wow, and I'm willing to pour story. I'm telling horror story after horror Vancouver and they're just like What? But really, it's like the the violence, the stabbings, and I'm saying, and most of the time that it's kids, too. And there are like, what their bare spraying around. Like, yeah, and they're thinking of, maybe not letting them buy it anymore. Thank you. Yeah. Wild. Right wild.
And I mean, I knew kids like that, I kids like that were in my house with their bear spray fucking canisters, you know. I'm so glad to see some to and I told them I go, if I see the shit, I'm throwing it out of the house and I, yeah. Why you can set the one kid I go just to let you know if you didn't know me and you bear sprayed me. Wow. You know this so come on and do you think you can carry it with you?
Everywhere you go and they did a lot of times and you know what, some of the kids that were most afraid were most afraid of the other kids and they carried it for younger, you know, and the kids suffer and now nowadays before we like hang up here, Like you were out who asked something that you say things that are just trigger me like, trigger my thoughts. But like, you were asking what's going on? What's the dynamic these days? Well, tender, how about that?
I've heard of people going on Tinder, you know, meeting up for like a fuck and then they're having a kid and they don't even know who the have you not heard this? Well, you know, just go tender hook up. Are you running a pilot like think it's called stealthing or something where they slip and that too? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Great. Like that is great. That is not that is non consensual sex. Yeah. And that's become very common, you know? And that's one thing I want to
get into two down. The road is like owning online predators of up because I think. Yeah. I think I, in my opinion. I think even for men, too. But no more, so for women. Yeah. Is, it's probably the most dangerous time to do online dating. No, thanks. Yeah. I'm good. You know, after what has being an experienced in my life in the stories that Die here every single day. No, thank you. No, fucking thank you.
Yeah, it's a tough world out there and this is what's sad about it too because again there don't seem to be any accountability and no there's no. And then on the system talking about the BC system, the BC systems Beyond broken like beetles. And when I was a teenager, right? And maybe we were a little bit smarter but we didn't want to do stuff that was going to get us caught we'd call it being a key or right? And then more Yeah, yeah, want
to do something. If we want to do something for the spectacle, we got the dumb kids to do and then played in a said, oh I didn't know anything. You know, I mean but these kids, you know, they do violent options, they film it and then they post it and they bust themselves. They want to use in the, like, the admiration from doing the action is more important than them getting caught. Right? It is, and it's, and it's for
the likes. It's for the social media and with another social phenomena, that is new. And wasn't around when you and I my God like can you imagine the stuff that we grew up doing and and and it was on filmed Jesus? Yeah, I'm right. Glad when I was growing up, there was no record of all the haha stupid hundred percent. But anyway, like I have to run now are the time with me. Yeah. No, I love it. I love it. I love, you know. I love shooting. In the shit with you, and we end
up in really good conversation. So, absolutely will do it again. All right, we'll have a good night and thank you for spending time with me. We'll do it again shortly. Hey, I love talking to you. Thanks, Mark for having me again. Okay, bye.