Welcome to Vancouver True Crime. My name is Mark, I'm the host of the show today. I have a special guest in a co-host. Please introduce yourself. Hi. My name is Ryan Plusle. I study at BCIT. I'm in the radio arts and entertainment program and I specialize in journalism. So you contact me when we've been going back and forth about a month or so we'll give or take. Yeah, about that. And then I've been sharing some cases we've been looking at That lot of like that.
And what? Because of your 19 years old, maybe talk a little bit about your background first like a year and two Jiu-Jitsu you're in jiu-jitsu instructor and just to tell the little audience about yourself. Yeah. So like Mark said, I'm a jiu-jitsu instructor. I'm also a Jujitsu competitor. I have a particular interest in self defense and teaching people how to defend themselves. That's why I got into the coaching aspect starting with kids like School.
Violence is He's been not okay with me and then now getting into the adult. Yeah, of course, now getting into the adult self, defense area, and martial arts area, teaching them how to defend themselves to. And I started bcat two years ago. And I reached out to mark because I had a particular interest in the True Crime aspect of Journalism, especially living in Vancouver, where crime is so elevated, and it gets
worse and worse. Every single day which seems like an exaggeration but it's true every single day living in Vancouver. You hear about things getting
worse and worse and worse. So a little bit about that before we started the show and I was telling you about you know, I've been doing this for about three years and in the beginning, you know, I had to build up a whole bunch of material and research because he knows new at a pub new material, all my research and stuff and and even though I've written some podcast like 23 years ago, I still haven't Them out yet because so much stuff comes out and the new cycle that just puts
things in the head of a line. And then recently, it's just like the, I can't keep up with the news cycle and the new cycle doesn't represent the city that I, that I was born and raised in
anymore. Like, I didn't grow up in a city that had random attacks and bear sprays and machetes and people going gangs knifed on the bus and on the SkyTrain and you know, Children, you know, going to go meet their mama and texting their mom, saying, hey, I feel scared or someone on the bus and the next scene doesn't make it home alive, you know?
This is not the so it is getting to be a very dangerous situation and one of the things that I, you know, I'm grateful to work with you is because one, your age, you're 19 years old. And hopefully, you know, you can help reach more young people, you know, get into martial arts and not use violence to solve your Than and, you know, I mean we've create disciplined for yourself and, you know, self-esteem and self-worth. You're going to treat yourself better.
If you have these things, you're not going to get involved with these, you know, these terrible things, right? So I appreciate you having you on Ryan. And now we've had some great conversations. We talked a lot about some crazy cases. I've been telling you about all these missing men cases across North America, and how they mirror? A lot of strange cases and BC. And Vancouver.
And you've done some great research, and you found some, some really great information on a local case that we've been talking about for quite a while. Won't you talk about that case a little bit? Yeah. So we've been, we've been looking into the Kellen mcelwee. Disappearance, Kellen, went missing. 15 years ago, we just reached the 15 year anniversary on March 19th. And his disappearance is strange.
He was he was out with friends at the In Langley, you left at around 9:00 p.m. and headed back to presumably his house in Burnaby or his apartment in Burnaby? Yes, the time. And then yeah then he didn't show up for work the next morning and was never seen again. So they give a little context for people that don't live in Vancouver or maybe you know you're listening because people listen to my podcast, thankfully
around the world. So out in Metro Vancouver there is you know a suburb Township called Langley. And he lives in Burnaby, which is another suburb of an coover, but Langley and Burnaby is roughly, maybe would half hour drive, give or take. So he was eating at a keg restaurant which was in Langley and I actually lived pretty close to this location and across the street from The Keg Steakhouse. There's a massive movie theater. It's a huge. It's called The Colossus
Theater, its massive. It's one of the biggest movie theaters and Metro And has a huge parking lot. So he for my understanding he went and ate with his friends at The Keg restaurant, his car was parked in the movie theater, parking lot and he walked across the street. And literally that was a last he was ever seen alive, a super strange disappearance because we've talked and new information is still coming to light to this day.
Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and clear, but we talked about like At first, this seems like a random disappearance, right? We're right. How does this? Guy that was just out for dinner with his friends, right? Just go missing out of nowhere, it doesn't happen or at least we think it shouldn't happen. You talked about that. It does happen more recently though, with all these disappearances across North America that fit a similar pattern, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're not to confuse the
audience. So so what I talked to Ryan about is a string of some very strange disappearances and in these disappearances It fits a very specific profile. The the person that usually are the man or young man that usually disappears is between the ages of 18 and to the high range early 30s. But typically, they're in the late teens, early 20s phase. They tend to be athletic tract of above-average good-looking, not necessary and trouble and gangs or involved in any type of criminal activity.
Lot of Times are. They're college kids General case. I'm talking about making a lot of them. They go, they disappear off college campus especially if they're out, partying, and then it gets blowing off, although they probably got drunk, they probably got, you know, kids being crazy drinking too much, probably an accident and and sometimes these cases that they are found and they're found in water, but they're found two weeks or more than after they disappeared.
And in one case is because I don't want to get too. Confusing for the audience. In one case he disappeared for two weeks, he was found in a river in Upstate New York in the river. But when they did an examination report on him, the medical examination report, they found fly larvae eggs on his body. So that means he couldn't have died in the water, he died on land and they plus they found
ligature rope marks. So there's some, there's some very Sinister type of Foul Play to these cases, the bring it into contacts to the local cases. There's a lot of cases that fit these cases that are happening across North America. And at first it appeared that Kalyn kind of fit the profile, he was above average looking guy, kind of big muscular, he was a bouncer and he seemed well
liked by people. He had seemed to have an active social life, and he didn't seem to really have criminal activity, but we found some more information about that, right? So why don't we talk first about the the thing that you Discovered our that article, he found. Yes. So it's just coming to light now. Kellen had some, some strange Tendencies and habits. Number one is the year, before he went missing, Kellen owned his own company, and his company was involved in a major Lottery scam.
Right? Mark, you were telling me is very common and yeah, break that down for the audience. So again, just when did he disappear? He disappeared. March 19, 2008. Right. So 15 years ago right? So at first it was a strange case. Disappearance, his car was found someone appeared at his apartment will talk more about the apartment and they were wearing this very distinct kind of puffy, designer. Jacket fur, trim on the security camera. Someone gained access to his apartment, right?
So, to the lottery thing, which was very interesting to me, and I was telling Ryan about this, and I shared a little tiny A bit about this on my podcast before. But back in the day, when I used to work in the stock market industry, there was these things called boiler rooms and they even had a show called Boiler Room. There was a movie called Boiler Room in a boiler. Room was a slang for kind of a scummy scammy little company that either sold stocks.
Fake lotteries bonds, things like that. They were startups Aid by, but the get a bunch of phones and deaths, hire a bunch of people by lists. These lists were Were typically older seniors in the United States that didn't really have or understand investing and they weren't really sophisticated financially. And basically these people over the phone would tell them that they won the lottery or they're going to get all these stocks or
whatever. But you got to send money for legal expenses or blah blah blah and it was outright scam. So I was surprised to hear that he was involved with one of these phone scam companies that were in it. Case, they were selling lottery tickets, and he had to pay back a penalty, didn't he? Yeah. And he wasn't just involved either. He owned the company that he was supposedly doing this under, which makes it, which makes it super strange.
Yeah. And like you said, Mark his his disappearance as we go through these facts seem less and less like, it fits that Narrative of Randomness less as we go through these facts. Right? Yes. So I Kellen was forced to pay 65. A thousand dollars towards you to resolve this issue which is a lot of money. And then eventually his company was dissolved later in 2007 because of this issue, right? Okay, so you own this company, I'm looking at your notes here. Yeah, you did some great
research here. He owned a company called package and capital that was scaled scamming. Elderly, people with fake lottery calls. It's like I was saying, yeah, these, These are these businesses, believe it or not, in the late 90s to early Thousands were quite common, just to not get too down the rabbit hole of it, but I work for one and when I discovered that they were ripping off old people.
In my naivete, I decided to blow the whistle on them and went and reported them to the police thinking that would solve everything. Ha ha. I certainly Got A Life Lesson doing that. So I end up had been mistaken. Oh my God. And that's the thing. You want to build to do the right thing and I I swear to God though, the sometimes when you want to do the right thing, God, it's a worst thing you can possibly do is end up three years of my life.
I end up being having me a witness in court and blah, blah, blah, and the owner of this company and up getting 10 years. But I really had a, the way that the police did it. I really met made me, I felt very vulnerable to because I want to be anonymous. And and when they end up wrestling, I owe my name was all over the report. A complaint from Mark Devereaux, you're doing bad stuff. Hahaha. And, and yeah.
And then like you're saying and was still saying to you before, what's the most Shady aspect of this business? Is because I understand how the business works is the processing, the merchant account, the merchant account is the most important aspect of it, because if I call an old person and say, hey you need to send me a check for five thousand dollars for the legal expenses because you just 15 million dollars from the Ian lottery or some stock or whatever.
Bullshit I'm telling them, I have to build a process that money. They're not going to send me cash in the mail. So a lot of times they would get people to write checks. They do a check by phone where they process the check by phone, but they need a bank, that will process that, right? Or a credit card. The credit card has to go through a processor.
And, and most reputable Banks do not want to touch anything fraudulent or Criminal. So lot of times these banks that facilitate this type of criminal activity or are located offshore there in the Caribbean or they're even in some cases or year up because they have to build a process that the money that they're getting from people over the phone. So that's where the real criminal circles really start to
lie. Because the people that have these banks are definitely involved in criminal activity, money laundering and and it's, yeah, that's where it gets really sketchy. Yeah, and we're aware that Kellen was running a international scheme because well he was scamming was out of America and United Kingdom primarily. He must have made some money because he bought a condo, right? Yeah. So the same day that he went missing Kellan bought his condo that we are going to get into
that. There was a strange Person of Interest appearing at later that night Kellan bought the condo And he paid way over asking price for the condo to. So he must have had some money like you said, from from the schemes that he was doing or other interesting tactics of getting this money. Yeah. Cuz I'd some of those rooms made a lot of money because and know the one that I was working for the one that I helped take down, the guy was making about five million a year and he was
running. And he had this thing running for I think at least for about five to six years. If memory serves me, correct. So even if he pays like a 65 thousand dollar penalty, but you have all this other money stash, right? Plus 2, if he is, because of the banking he could have money stashed offshore and things like that. Exactly. And you know, like you said and like we were talking about it's
an international scheme, right? So like you said, the chances that he had that money stored offshore are very high considering that kellan's day job was working at a Rogers call center which one yeah when The police, and everybody started to investigate his spending habits and how he actually afforded this apartment that he bought the day of his disappearance. It didn't add up not at all. No, he was working as a bouncer. And trust me, I worked as a bouncer back, then, it doesn't
pay very well. It's a job. You do? Because he get to go out for her. For, you know, you get, you get bar courtesy and kind of stuff bouncing does not pay. Well, not not not enough to buy a condo, right? A pentose Rogers, call center back. Back then maybe 15 bucks an hour a maybe you know if he's a supervisor maybe 18 buying a penthouse condo with that kind of income. So yeah, seems like he had some money squirreled away and obviously he upset somebody it
does. Now, the more you look at it, this looks like in my opinion this is just speculation with this, probably, when that business, got shut down. He probably lost a bunch of people's money, if that makes sense. I agree for example, right? But they're all being processed through that one bank. So if one person screws it up and gets a bank shut down, a lot of a lot of other people suffer if that makes sense.
Yeah, it does. So what you're saying is he met some unsavory characters and Colin's dad agreed as well that he could have met some unsavory characters in his time as a bouncer, but not just as a bouncer running. This company that's scamming a bunch of people. He probably met some People that eventually helped telling me his demise right? Oh, totally in there. Wouldn't be an easy. It wouldn't be that difficult
because I like a sinking too. Because again, people that are involved in Fast. Money, quick, money, offshore money. You know, there they had been might have their fingers in a whole bunch of different pies, right? And and, and like I said, if he came and maybe made some waves and maybe got a bank shutdown, that would have been a big deal and like that could have caused some really Mouse. It's of ways because again, with criminals in general, how do you get in trouble with them?
Either owing money or insulting their integrity? And, you know, getting the ire of their temper because you disrespected them. But mainly, you're going to get ne crosshairs of gangsters if you owe them or lose them, massive amounts of money and then if he's buying a condo right that could have been like a little bit to okay. You're you're you're you're showing off here, right? Yeah. It's basically confirmed that he had some sort of criminal tie, right?
Like, with this company he owned and then there's the fact too that he had two cell phones at the time of his disappearance, which is, which could be related to some sort of gang activity. Well, you know what, so believe it or not, because I again, back to that business, he could have eaten a lot of these people I'm telling you, because these people that ran, these rooms
were just treacherous. So, they would get busted, and even though they're being busted, they'd open up another room and open up another room, and Another room. These can't help it. They just is only will. This is how they know how to make money, right? So the second phone is usually tied to that business. So for what I'm saying is that, so think about this, right? I called this a 50 people that day and told them, they won the lottery or blah, blah blah, right?
I'm not going to give him my all my home phone number. I'm going to give them a different number. Usually, a burner phone, some of these boiler rooms. Literally, they run on boiler on Burner phones. So we're not And phone rings. It's you know it's a customer. Oh we got a live one here. They think they want a bunch of money. Okay. You see what I mean? So the second phone you know again could be you know, dealing or whatever.
But because of this that business that that for me gives me an indication that he might have still had something going because sometimes they have these dupes. I'm not I'm not kidding. These people are so naive and so trusting they're not going to just pay them once or going to pay them multiple times and sometimes they'll have They literally, I've seen it. They have that. People have, they called their sucker list of people that will
just you. Anytime you call them and say, hey, I got that Chuck. Oh my god, did I forget to write you that check? And they've already written to you four times. You see what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. And and with the phone thing to a lot of people at the time of Carolyn's disappearance, this this phone information came to
light pretty fast, right? Yeah. Where is this information about his second company is just now coming to light, but a lot of people Activated at first like okay maybe it's because he had a job with the Rogers. Call center or maybe this and maybe that but his disappearance as you go through these facts just seems less and less random right? He wasn't the victim of some
random attack. No. Yeah. At first I sent him into that kind of category because I did a I did a little bit about him when I first started and I mentioned, I think I did a podcast about my, why did it? I did a Agent Lee. I did a bunch of podcasts about missing, man.
I've taken it down, so I want to reboot it, but I first speculated that I felt his job as a bouncer, he might have pissed off the wrong guy and maybe throughout the wrong guy or got disrespectful or whatever and they wanted to show him. But now, as from what you're talking about him, having one of these, these boiler rooms that that totally blows my mind and it again because I have some experience.
It's unfortunately, and at least, in my case, I try to do something about it, but even at a personal cost to myself, but whatever I'm glad I did, but but it gives me some. It gives me a real like whole different. Look at him knowing that he owned one of these businesses because they're pretty shady businesses. And they do, they do they just go out and they rip people off with or without any remorse and that? Yeah, that's what why I found it.
Disgusting the reason why I went to the police because when I'm walking around in the room, All these idiots talking about all the hookers and the coke they did and the weekend and all the money, they blew and they're stealing from old people. And this one guy he on his desk, he wrote oh this guy's blind. So this what the so that means it was like a top you know Blue Ribbon lead. All this is a good one.
This guy is blind and I'm like, wow like this is disgusting just so they could go get, you know party and buy designer clothes and sniff stuff. Are not, you know, you get the idea like a bunch. It was a bunch of people who were very into debauchery and as fast as the money, they got the fast, is it got spent, you know, yeah, Kelly wasn't really in the business to help people, right? Especially in the business like this. No, it's a business for
straight-up greed. And I knew people like, you know, again, I knew people that would start, one of these boiler rooms is to make a bit of money and not saying it's still no more good but then they, They would do something and turn into
something kind of legitimate. But then, I seen others at this is this was their main gig and they soon as one shutdown they had two other rooms opened up. And I knew people that had multiple because again, they were so prominent downtown Vancouver at the time and they'd even be advertising in newspapers. Like, you know, back when for internet was job ads, it is straight-up advertised. Sell the lotto to the Americans, they had a call center.
I'll tell you a quick story. They had a call center that In specific Center. And it was unworthy, there's be this big underground part. It was a mass of call center, and that's all they did was sell large, it was head and pulled hundreds of people. And this guy, his name was Blair Downs. He was a stockbroker from Alberta that moved to BC. He made over 300 million dollars, a year selling Lottery to them, to Americans scamming
them. He had guys that would Get hundreds of thousands of dollars. So like I said, it was like this big rush of easy money. Like Vancouver has a real shady history of fast money from grow-ops. This is kind of before this was all while grown-ups are going on. So people would either have grow-ops or they would have one of these scummy rooms at ripped off Americans. Their, the again, it was it was more common than you think. And and disgusting. Yeah, that's insane.
It's just Again, it's just multiple things about, his disappearance are just very shady. Yes. And the fact that he was involved in these multiple Shady acts. Yeah. Do you want to get into the person of his apartment to because that's another Shady thing. He buys the apartment the same day that he goes missing and there was someone found at his
apartment on CCTV footage. Yeah that is linked to the case now or police find could be linked to the so that was That the original video of the person walking into the lobby and they had like, kind of that winter parka of the fur lining coat. They had to pulled over so you can't really see their face. Yep. And if you do, you think when you looked at it, did that look like I always thought it looked like a girl or a more petite woman.
So from what I've what I've read police are speculating that it was a man but I agree with you from watching from watching the footage, they're not, they're not 100% sure. And neither am I because Seeing the footage, their mannerisms seeing more woman. Yes. And then looking at the photos of the jacket that the police have released if you tie that to going to that website it's a an excuse, my pronunciation on this Christian. Add a dagger style jacket? Yeah.
But if you look at the photos on their website, the people modeling that jacket that that person is wearing our females. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Totally. I know. I totally got the vibe. It was a woman like went to the apartment. Yeah. Which is, which is super interesting because police have directly said that that person is most likely tied to this case
somehow. And they've never been able to find that person of interest, if that person still has the jacket 15 years later after this case, it's not like what you're right. But well, that's the thing, right? It isn't it, you know, it will also. I remember there was a, See backpack.
Yes, I Sky research cases across, you know, Canada United States, its tends to be a lot easier, researching cases in the States because they will inform the public on the stages of Investigation. Suspects things like that, there seems to be a lot more transparency here. I mean, in the states, as far as look at the eye of the Idaho, call the college co-ed killer died. I've seen her a 3D rendering of what the house looks like. I know, I know so much about that case.
Right. He is well, here this could, but here, it's like 25 years later. Oh, yeah, we released A CTV photo blah, blah blah. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, is there anything else? And then this information about his him, buying the apartment, the same day, and him being involved in this pack Jen scam. Yeah, now just coming to light like it's super strength, right? If he paid over asking, right, okay, so again, you know, just doing the play Connect the Dots here, right?
He's a guy guys young, he's 25 years old works. As a bouncer, you know, God has moved social life and stuff like that, right? And he works at the call center and and then he had this really shady business that was just, you know, call what it is. It's a, it's a, it's a criminal Enterprise to scam. People its Financial fraudulent business that's it's designed to trick and steal from people,
right? And then he had to pay a huge penalty and then he buys a mass that buys a pretty, you know, an expensive property pays over asking and then he disappears a day. It's just, yeah, it's a whole different case now from from when I originally looked at it. Yeah. Not just over asking either. So the asking price was about a half a million dollars. He paid over a hundred thousand dollars more for that pain? Wow. Which is insane. That's criminally insane. Why would you do that?
You know. Yeah, I really wanted that. Place right? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. And I'm thinking about 2008. The, the housing market has probably relatively expensive to but it wasn't really heating up where it was like, just that, you know, where we do remember like a, you know, a few years later where people were just going crazy going over asking, because it was like this big buyer friends and a lot of times to those are people that coming from outside of the city with money. Right?
You know. Yes. So the thing is he doesn't really Fit that criteria of at 125. Most 25 year olds are not paying 100 Grand over asking, right? So blown away to and I'm also blown away that took this long for it to come out. Yeah me too and I don't know why it has suddenly come out. I know initially it was investigated in 2011 when K father petitioned to have his son, declared dead, right?
And the court filing said that his income K income wasn't match, Being up with his new mortgage payments on the condo. So his mortgage payments on the new condo were about four thousand four hundred dollars a month. Wow, was a hundred and fifty percent more than he was making again, when you're dealing with criminals, where they call a den of Thieves, right? Yeah, exactly. Like, pick your poison for your partner, sir. Hey, you're not going to get the most the most liable and the
most loyal. Yeah. And when you mention like, Willing to scan this blind person. Like, it's they've won the lottery, you know, they're like, oh man, I found this blind person. They are perfect Target attitude. It was totally disgusting. Look, I'm already smoking. They're willing to scan this blind elderly person right? Yeah. They are likely going to do that for you as well, you know? Oh, totally. Yeah. You know, exactly right. Well, it'll be interesting to
see what happens one. I don't think they'll ever find his body unfortunately, and and for the, The family, you know, I regardless if he was involved in criminal activity you know we're all did stupid stuff. He's 25 years old, I don't believe he deserved the faith. That happened to him. You know, everyone has a chance should have a chance to turn
their life around. And, you know, do the right thing, we all make mistakes, when were younger, but this is what I'm saying to. This is another cautionary, tale. Where in this is back to Vancouver, I see people young people naive people, they get Over their head. Like, for example, let's say a guy gets a job at though, in those Lottery places thinking it's a legitimate job because they used to advertise in regular, like job ads, all the time.
And, and then he decides he's good at this and he's making lots of money and said, hey, I want to start my own room, right? See how easy that someone can just all sudden is get in over their head, right? And then a lot of times these rooms to because he's people that are working and I'm there doing drugs or drinking a lot, not there, you know, they're they're spending the money
faster than they can spend. I want the one of the guys I worked with he. This guy every Friday he had a condo downtown and he would have these crazy parties. And I remember one time I went over to his house or his condo Sky worked with in this Lottery scummy, business coffee table. You want to skim board as you know, where you way you ride the way, you know, when the waves. Yeah, you know. Yeah, gotcha. Skimboard here.
Skim board on the skim board, it had a pile of cocaine on it and I'm like, oh, snorting up all your profits, you made this week and that's where the money goes to. And that's why that's why it's, you know, I have no respect for people that do this kind of business because definitely they feel subconsciously guilty about it, and they usually end up drinking blowing blowing it a literally up their nose and it's a rabbit hole, right? Like you start by applying for
this random harmless job. Yeah. And you, Don't know where it's going to go and you end up in this Boiler Room situation and then it goes downhill from there and then click to take raw headlock cases to. Yeah, exactly. It's not to say that like it's a very unfortunate situation for Kellen, you know. Yeah it's super unfortunate that he met this fate but I believe it is because of this crowd and this job oii hundred percent. That's because it's really a characters.
Yeah, this really sheds a whole different light on Everything and yeah, it was really good. Great discovery. And he said that just came out really recent to. Yeah at the time of filming this yesterday, this information came
to light to the public. So the cases that I want to talk about with you two and this is like just kind of back to the audience this to give a context when we first started talking, I was talking about there, there was these cases and the state's I'm kind of on the fence on it. Like I do. Believe there's something there, but they're they're very strange. And then these are the cases where the person that doesn't have any criminal activity, or
any ties. And usually typically very good kids and, you know, in school and college and, you know, doing things that are positive in their life and they disappear under these circumstances. So in the state's there's a whole rash of them and there they they believe there's a cult called the smiley face killers that that Target young ass. Leduc men and they think they do some tart type of disturbing ritual with them and then they're found and water after
they've gone missing. And lot of times when they discover these bodies is that they can tell that they haven't been in the water for that long. So they've been missing for two weeks. They've only been their body is only been dead for three days and they went and only been in the water for a day, right? When they do the examination report on them. So there's some very Strange
cases. And in some cases, I feel that some of these cases get lumped and and to them, I do believe there's something to the smiley face Killers because they're just too many of them and they're really strange. Did you read that article both day with? It was a buzzfeed one, I believe. So yes, that one was the weirdest one. Because North Dakota, North Dakota.
Yep, this guy goes missing. He's found in water, but but someone tried to abduct him, but two weeks earlier and his friend who was a female friend picked him up at a hotel and he was totally drugged and incoherent, and he didn't make any sense. And there was all these SUVs, like, parked, or like he was walking out of the hotel lobby and she saw him. She had him on there on the on the iPhone, you know, connector the find my iPhone app. Yeah, find my iPhone.
Yeah and and so she knew where he was and she saw him wave and he was both to get into some SUV and he was like completely drugged out. And then two weeks later he's found in water. Drowned of GHB in the system. Yeah, there's there's these strange cases that fit all the same narrative and the reason we're starting these these missing men podcast series Is because we wanted to talk about like, how that's there's some of these in Vancouver, right?
That our problem that fit is similar narrative. We thought like we were talking about that. Kellen fit, a similar narrative at first, right? Yeah, I was kind of like when I first started he fit but then, there was those little things, I know, maybe not. Right. But now. Absolutely, I don't think he fits. No me neither, but it's interesting to get into those the smiley face, killing rumor. Right.
Yeah, there's a ton of rumors about them and like you said, I do believe there's something to it right? Where these men healthy, always like academically intelligent doing well in life, are then suddenly going missing, right? And there's cases where this has happened in Vancouver to totally and it'll be interesting to get into them. For sure will break down more of them. Again, they just don't make any sense and one of the ones, That really, I don't know. Just gets under my skin
increasing out. Was this, it was this young guy. He was, I think he was studying architecture at pretty an advanced degree. He was a very petite guy, very small, very harmless. He didn't have like he wasn't really outgoing. He kind of a little bit of a loner and he told his roommate, he goes. Oh I'm just going to go gets here. I think he went to the University of Boston and he told his roommate, or I'm going to go down and get some pizza. Do you want anything? We got it.
I'm cool and he never came home and the next day the rowers were rowing on the on the river and they found his body underneath the dock and he was completely chained up like completely like a almost like you'd see like in a like a mobster movie like completely wrapped and change tied to a cinder block.
Well they ruled it a suicide and I'm like and that's what one of the other strange things is that these cases like even though they're really strange stuff to get just the first the first ruling from the medical examiner. Also suicide misadventure dotted and the families usually are very outraged and they hire in the one thing different in the states than in Canada. Families can hire their own
private medical examiner's. And they, when they do a different one, they usually go against the original ruling. And so how can a guy tie himself completely up and chains and then tie it to a cinder block? Talk and then jump off a dock and then drown himself. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, right? Not at all and that's the difference that I feel in the state's not saying, cops in the states or any better or anything, but they're they seem to provide more information to the public.
Yeah, agreed. And that's the problem to when we talk about raising awareness, for how to be aware in situations, right? Yes. And I know we've talked about potentially doing a series about how to erase where Ernest raise awareness or E and it's these police statements that are coming out of. Don't be afraid for these random attacking people should be afraid and there's certain areas that people should be avoiding. Yeah. Right. And that's the issue that we're facing right now in Vancouver.
A lot of the time. Well, again, you know, we go back to the missing people, right? Like the thing that's strange, you know, it's this, it's that more people go missing and DC than anywhere else possibly like per capita, the North America because think about this right you got your province of Ontario, 15 million people but yet even though BC has a lot less population, let's say give or take 45 million for the entire Province.
I'm just get taken a number off, the top of my head but we have twice the physical missing people than a province that has over 15 million people. Majority of them are women? A lot of them are indigenous with that? That's a whole nother, you know, rabbit hole, we can go down to. But again, when it comes down to the least, likely people that go missing or usually athletic young men, but then there's a
high Spike of them to write. So that's why it stands out to me because it's like a spike of a kind of a demographic, that's the least likely to go disappear under strange circumstances. Someone's involved in drugs or criminal activity or uo scary people money, or you're in a domestic violence situation or you're prone to Suicide or depression. These are usually typical reasons why someone might decide to go missing or or become missing, right?
Yeah I agreed and the scary part is too that I don't hear a lot of people talking about these missing men's cases like they're very unknown to the public. They are randomized, right? Right? And that's the scary part is. Why are these cases popping up? Because in history like you said, it's usually these young healthy athletic males that are physically fit that usually have nothing to worry about honest, no, no, it's getting a narrative.
It's it's that they usually are the ones that should have nothing to worry about. Like if we're going based off of Kellen, I know he won't no longer fits this narrative. He was 220 pounds. Roughly. I usually do I put 10 yeah, a bouncer. Yeah, and he had an interest in the gym. Yeah, so why do people lie for that? Resk? Right.
So if his life was at risk, you'd put up a fight, you know, full of adrenaline, someone trying to take them, no need to be able to, you know, it's a lot harder taking someone that's 220 than a 100 pounds. Exactly. And that's one of the weird aspects about the, you know, the missing men cases and specifically, in some of the stranger ones that we'll get into later in the series. Is that how were they like, it's on them.
Just pure like abductions. Like there was a one in newest Minister. His car was found car door opened no sign of struggle. So how do you physically get someone out of their car? Right. You felt without a struggle that means you have to in my opinion. I always thought well someone may be impersonating a cop, right? I caught you get like a shining a light and face please step outside better the dog.
You know what I mean? You're in specially, you know someone, you know, thinking it's a cop, they will be if you disobey, or in trouble, right? You know. Yes. They've been lured somehow yeah. Yeah. It has a has that aspect, right? The other. The other thing is to the other second way of how do you, how do you get? You get a big dudes, cooperation, a female, right? Hey girl, she likes you, she wants, she's coming over, she wants to meet you, you know what I mean?
Play it was ego the Honey Trap and that's why I'm for the the that's why I I understand I'm going to look at I'm gonna look at the video again and I'll post a video but I truly believe that was a female. Yeah, I agree just based on the mannerisms and then also the facts, right? Like who's going to learn this big guy out of his apartment or go to the apartment to get this big guy? Most likely going to be a female, right? Yeah. I'll be a lot easier, right? Less threat. Nothing.
Oh you know who's afraid of a little girl, right? Yeah, exactly. So yeah we're going to continue on this series. Going to look at some of the stranger. I feel that some of these cases. These men were lured. Well, maybe we'll get into maybe some theories, but yeah, there's some really troubling cases and you did bring up something. Like these cases, tend to get overlooked and I want to address that because generally speaking,
right? It's like when women go missing, they think all something terrible happens was probably abducted, maybe sexual assault, maybe murder. Right, because that's her first fear. Oh my God, this woman's missing or abducted or a child, right? With with, with young men they always say oh misadventure. That's the first thing people think, right? Oh, they're probably doing something stupid, something drinking or some kind of tomfoolery or whatever.
Right? So the men don't really get that same kind of initial like sympathy when they go missing and and and unfortunately too, when I see like older men, go missing like middle-aged typically it's suicide but they don't, you know, it's a different. This is a different criteria and It with these young guys. Yeah, they deserve it because the, you know, they weren't and
in some of these cases. They weren't involved in anything and you know, and it is must be very tragic for their family because think about this, right? Think about if you had a bad kid a kid that just drove you nuts in and out of juvie and another jail, you know, just being a total headache and then something terrible half. So dude, be awful and you feel terrible because they do. But he had such a troubled life. But matter, if you have a perfect kid, that does everything right?
And goes to school, Cool and on his way for a great, you know, career or a great life and then one day, this kid just disappears off the face of the Earth. Like I can't imagine what that's like for the family and my heart goes out to them and they have my, my Ampitheatre for that, that loss. So, yeah, these these men deserve justice and they deserve to be talked about as well,
right? Like everybody's story deserves to be heard if they've gone missing and these families deserve to know what happened to their to their missing loved ones, right? For sure. Well, thank you Ryan, I appreciate this. It will keep going on this. I appreciate your help and stuff. And yeah, I'm looking for doing also to we're talking. We're talking about doing some
safety stuff. You know, you're involved in self-defense Jiu Jitsu and and I really want to encourage, you know, special people your age or anyone's age to get involved in that stuff because we'll be good for you, good, for your self-esteem and stuff. So, I'm happy that you're involved in that and it's been great working with you. Yeah, thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it, it's awesome. Working with you as well. All right. Ryan, you take care.
I'll add this up and I'll get this up as fast as I can. Awesome. Thanks, Mark, I appreciate it.