Today we are diving deep into one of Canada's most disturbing criminal cases, the Robert Picton saga. But this isn't just about the crimes themselves. It's about society that looked away, the institutions that failed to act, the chilling anomalies that suggest there's far more to the story than the official narrative admits. The Picton case isn't your typical serial killer story. It's a labyrinth of unanswered questions, institutional incompetence and potential cover up.
From identifying male DNA on victims remains to police partying with criminals at the Piggy Palace, the details are so bizarre they defy belief. Here's what makes the case truly unsettling. Over 40 unidentified male DNA profiles were found on evidence hinting at accomplices or a broader network, yet this was never properly investigated. An RCMP officers social visit to Picton where he tipped him off about informants in a jaw-dropping breach of protocol.
Millions of documents still withheld. Why the secrecy? Police ignored the 45 gallon drums that Picton was discarding despite tips they contained human remains. A witness saw Picton skinning a woman in his barn. Yet her testimony was mishandled. Piggy Palace, The Picton's family after our club were cops, politicians and criminals partied together with up to 2000 people at these events.
The absurd lone wolf narrative Despite evidence of a criminal enterprise, critical files destroyed or lost, including a 1997 attempted murder case. 0 Accountability for senior officials. Despite catastrophic failures, police never followed up after picked and boasted in jail about killing 49 women. And the final insult? A whitewashed inquiry that dismissed all these red flags as
ludicrous. This case isn't just about Picton. It's about power, corruption and apathy that allowed horrors to go unchecked. If you think this is just one man's evil, think again. This real story is far darker. Forensic teams found unidentified DNA on the teeth on victims Serena Abbott's Way, Andrea Josbury. Multiple unidentified male DNA profiles were found, and Picton's DNA was excluded as a
match on several samples. Experts testified they could not determine the source of these profiles despite extensive checks against databases of investigators, lab staff, known associates. Additional male DNA was found on items such as handcuff, keys, chewing gum. A summary of the most disturbing and damning aspects of the DNA
evidence in the Picton case. So Male 11 and Male 12 DNA was found on a bucket containing Andrea Josbury's severed hand, indicating direct contact with the victim's remains. Male 24's DNA was found on a bucket holding human remains, suggesting participation in dismemberment or disposal. These are not accidental or incidental transfers. They imply hands on involvement in the murders. Multiple unidentified men at the crime scenes.
At least 16 plus distinct male DNA profiles were found in key areas like the slaughterhouse workshop, Picton's bedroom. The slaughterhouse was a DNA hotspot. The slaughterhouse alone contained DNA from 10 different unidentified men, including on plungers with blood splatter, Male 33 a welding face shield, Male 61 multiple pieces of chewed gum. This is male 39, a male 40, male 47, male 50, Male 58, male 60 suggesting prolonged casual
presence. Pat Casanova Picton's friend Pat Casanova's DNA was found everywhere on the bones in the slaughterhouse, on a scale alongside victim Mona Wilson's DNA in the workshop near human remains. His repeated presence in areas tied to dismemberment and body disposal raises glaring questions about his role. Picton's DNA was excluded from critical evidence. Multiple items linked to victims did not have Picton's DNA but instead belong to unknown males. Example Tools.
Tools in the freezer buckets had male DNA that wasn't Picton's, yet no effort was made to identify them. Why haven't Canadian authorities identified these men? Once Picton was convicted, authorities may have seen no need to pursue others despite glaring loose ends. Institutional neglect. Many victims were marginalized Indigenous sex workers. Systemic apathy may have played a role if these men were part of a broader criminal operation.
Investigating further could implicate others, including powerful figures DNA, the gold standard, and crime DNA one-on-one. The power of DNA Like a genetic fingerprint, every person's DNA is unique except for identical twins, making it irrefutable evidence when matched. Silent witness. It doesn't lie, forget or contradict itself, unlike human testimony exonerating the
innocent. Hundreds of wrongfully convicted people like those in the Innocent Projects have been freed because DNA have proved they couldn't have committed the crime. Example A single hair analyzed decade later can overturn a murder conviction, putting the guilty away. Cold case breakthroughs. DNA from old crime scenes like the Golden State Killer can finally name killers years later. That was 40 years ago when this Golden State psycho killer was
active. 40 years later they convicted him. Linking serial crimes. DNA can connect seamlessly unrelated cases from 1 perpetrator. If Canadian authorities re examine these profiles with today's tech, they might identify compasses, solve other unsolved murders, and expose a possible network of predators. The DNA farm wasn't just one killer's playground, it was a hunting ground with multiple players. The unanswered DNA evidence screams that justice is still
incomplete. Until these men are identified, the full truth and the victim's rightful closure remains buried. And remember, in the world of crime solving, DNA doesn't just speak, it streams truth. The presence of 40 unidentified female DNA profiles on Robert Picton Farm raises significant questions about the scope of his crimes and the investigation. Here's what it implies. So remember they have found 80 unidentified DNA profiles, half female and the other half male.
So there's forty female that haven't been identified. So it's possible unrecognized victims. When Robert Picton was arrested in 2002, he had the undercover cellmate on a big poster, like a big poster board right in the in the room with him. And when he went back to the cell, you know what he said? He said he only recognized half of them, but then boasted about killing 49. Just a little little awful food for thought.
So back to the female DNAI just want to talk about that quickly before we move on. The DNA could belong to missing or murdered women whose disappearances were never linked to Picton. Given his confession or boast to killing 49 women and his claim that he wanted to make it an even 50 is plausible that some victims were never identified or reported missing, especially sex workers and Indigenous women who
are disproportionately targeted. And there was a lot of apparently a lot of sex workers brought into that farm testimonies of the women. And she said she had to bring 2 at a time for Pat Casanova, two women at a time for Pat Casanova to pleasure him while he slaughtered pigs. Even that is so disgusting. So some of the investigative challenges, incomplete databases. Many Indigenous and Margelines women were not in the DNA database databases, making matches impossible.
Degraded evidence. Some DNA was too degraded for a conclusive analysis. Defense arguments unidentified profiles used to suggest that others could be involved, complicating the prosecutor's case. So they, in this case, they tended, they wanted a very narrow focus on pick that's important to think about unsolved cases. Families of missing women have long speculated that their loved ones DNA might be among the
unidentified profiles. Police have not publicly linked these profiles to specific disappearances, leaving questions unanswered #2 The social visit by RCMP Corporal Frank Henley. In March of 2001, Corporal Henley visited the Picton farm alone. He told Robert Picton the names of two people informing on him and described it as a social visit. Why is it bizarre? This is a staggering breach of investigative protocol that can only be explained by gross and
confidence. And the other question is one can ask the question of outright corruption. So just to put this in context again, Canada's worst serial killer, Canada's worst case of missing murdered people. And the main suspect gets a visit by the cop and says, hey, I got 2 confidential informants that are talking about you. Let's get into this a little more.
I found this affidavit from researcher Robin Whitehead, notes on this affidavit that RCMP visit on the farm and spoke to Robert Picton, unidentified man covered in blood in the barn butchering a pig with a knife. So this is just almost like a disturbing sabotage of the Picton investigation. Which one could raise the question of that Corporal Frank Henley's unexplained betrayal of justice.
The botched investigation into Canada's most notorious serial killer, Robert Willie Picton, is riddled with shocking failures. One of the most unexplained is the conduct of Corporal Frank Henley, an RCMP officers who whose action delayed Picton's arrest, endangered witnesses and possibly allowed a killer to claim more victims. One of the best books I believe in my opinion, after is Lorimer's.
Shiner wrote a book called The Lonely Section of Hell of his Investigation, The Horrors of the Robert Picton Case. So this was on page 155 of Detective Shiner's account. This is the last paragraph of the page. I'm just going to read the last paragraph.
There seems to have been no police contact with Picton after the January 19th, 2000 interview from RCMP Corporal Frank Henley, March 2001. One man's self-described really very much a social visit quote UN quote to the Picton farm to tell the names of the two people talking to police about him, Ellingson and Cadwell. Commissioner Opal describes his
visit in his report. Quote On March 30th, 2001, Corporal Henley goes to the Picton property to speak with Picton. He tells Picton that Miss Ellingson and Mr. Cadwell has been saying he killed a girl. Pickton admitted to stabbing Miss Anderson, but says she stabbed him first. He neglects the part that he did handcuff her. Right. Corporal Henley's meeting with Pickton is unexplained and is done in total isolation from other police members.
So let's examine this again. So Henley's unauthorized social visit to Pickton's farm, March 2001, a full year before Picton's arrest. Henley went alone to the Picton farm without informing his team and had what he later described as a very much of A social visit. During this meeting, Henley told Picton the names of two informants that who had accused him of murder, Ling Ellingson and Scott Cadwell Picton. He asked why he revealed informant identities to a serial killer.
Henley shrugged. No, I just wanted to meet Picton and see him. No professional justification, no follow up, just reckless and a possible deadly breach of of protocol. Henley told his supervisor there was nothing to believe about Picton over ruling lead investigator Corporal Mike Connor, who suspected Picton early a botched witnessed interview. Henley interviewed Lynn Ellingson, who allegedly saw Picton hanging a woman like a slaughtered pig.
Instead of pressing her, Henley accepted her denials at face value. This stalled the case. His interference delayed Picton's arrest by years, allowing him to keep killing. Why did Henley do it? Henley's actions were so contrary to police work that lawyers at the Missing Women's Inquiry called them, possibly amounting to sabotage. Was he protecting someone else? Picton's farm was frequently by multiple men, per DNA evidence that we just discussed. Did Henley know more than he
admitted? Henley's casual dismissal of the case fits a pattern, a cover up of police failures. By tipping off Picton, Henley may have compromised future prosecutions, ensuring key witnesses were discredited or silenced because of Henley's actions. Picton remained free for over a year after Henley's visit, during which time more women vanished.
He was still killing women. He was still an active serial killer, Lynn Ellenson later testified, but only after Picton was finally arrested in 2002. Got to remember, we'll get more into it. Picton was no lone serial killer. He was part of a network. Think about that for a minute. This is a very important unanswered question. Why did Corporal Frank Henley, a trained RCMP officer, act in a way so blatantly in helping a serial killer invade justice, neglect, corruption, or
something even darker? Until Henley gives a real explanation, Not a flippant, just wanted to meet him. His role in this tragedy remains one of the investigation's most disturbing mysteries for the victims, for their families and the public. We deserve answers. Before we move on to the next part, there's a little important
side note, too. So Scott Chubb, the other police informant who informed that Willie Picton was holding a Mac 10 submachine gun, which actually got him arrested finally in 2002. We'll get into that later in the series, but Scott Chubb testified in court that Picton wanted Ellingson harmed because she was costing him a lot of money. Chubb believed this meant Picton wanted her hurt or killed. Police suspected Ellingson was blackmailing Picton over a murderer she witnessed.
But Lynne Ellingson testified that she saw Picton with a dead body in the barn and that Picton had threatened her to keep quiet. So this adds another lair to this strange visit from. He literally put her in danger. #3 millions of withheld documents. Police and government had generated millions of pages of documents during the investigation, but only about 15 to 20% have ever been made public.
Why is it bizarre? This level of secrecy is almost unheard of in a western criminal justice, fueling speculation of cover ups or institutional self protection. So let's get into the withheld evidence. Why millions of Robert Pickton case files remain secret. The case of Robert Pickton, Canada's most notorious serial killer, remains one of the darkest chapter in this nation's
history. It's probably really starting in the 80s, maybe even the 70s, till finally, when he was caught in 2002, picked and preyed on vulnerable women, many of them from Vancouver's Downtown East Side, murdering them. Despite his 2007 conviction for six counts of second degree murder, with evidence linking him to at least 33 victims, the full scope of his crimes remained shrouded in secrecy.
The RCM PS investigation generated an unprecedented volume of evidence, over 400,000 DNA swabs and 600,000 exhibits. Yet only a small fraction have been disclosed to the public. The rest remains locked away, heavily redacted or at risk being destroyed. And as we speak, the RCMP have been destroying evidence. I did an interview over a year ago when I published it a few months ago with two of the leading experts regarding the preserve the evidence.
Please go listen to that interview if you haven't with Doctor Sasha Reed and Sue Brown. And in that interview we talked about them preserving the evidence and their fight to preserve the evidence. The evidence did get destroyed previous to that interview. That was actually done a year ago. I released it a few months ago, that the RCMP have been destroying the evidence from the Robert Picton case. The Picton case is one of the most complex criminal investigations in criminal
history. The RCMP, the Vancouver Police Department spent years combing through Picton's farm, uncovering human remains, personal belongings and forensic traces of multiple victims. Again 600,000 exhibits collected including clothing, weapons and DNA samples. 400,000 DNA swabs process linking victims to the farm. Thousands of documents, including police reports, witness statements and forensic analysis. Given the sheer volume, the RCMP argues that Full disclosure is
logically impossible. Yet critics say this is a smokescreen for withholding critical information. The RCMP has provided several official reasons for withholding or redacting evidence. The RCMP claims some evidence could be relevant to unsolved cases or potential accomplishes. Example DNA from 10 unidentified women was found in Picton's freezer, suggesting more victims. If released prematurely, this could compromise future
prosecutions. Under Canada's privacy law and evidence law, police can redact sensitive information. Example witness statements, informant identities and investigative techniques are often blacked out. Then there's the cost of storage and limitation. Storing 600,000 exhibits is expensive. The RCMP has applied to destroy evidence, arguing much of it has
no further investigative value. The controversy Families advocates argue that new DNA technology could one day identify more victims or suspects. Victims families Indigenous rights groups have fiercely opposed the RCMP. Destroying evidence erases history. Many Indigenous women cases remain unsolved. The RCMP failures in the Picton case, including ignoring early warnings, feel distrust possible
accomplishes remain uncharged. Picton allegedly told an undercover officer that his brother and others were involved, yet no one else have been prosecuted. Critics accuse the RCMP of deliberately suppressing files that could expose investigative failures that may reveal miss opportunities to stop Picton sooner. While storage is expensive, destroying evidence could mean losing answers forever. The case is still unresolved and unsolved. It's a moral and legal failure.
While some reductions are justified, the lack of transparency perpetrates a legacy of distrust because of all of the money making enterprises they had going, all their illegal businesses, you know, from unlicensed butchering, an underground meat sales, stolen cars, illegal gambling, Pitbull, rooster fighting and more.
You know, Piggy Powell is not just a a party venue, but a hub for liquor sales, drugs, prostitution, a meeting place for a cross section of Vancouver's underworld including bikers, politicians and police. And then there's the environmental crime, that contaminated topsoil operation, which may and most likely cause public health, you know, consequences and rarely discussed. So this whole thing, this whole web of this Nexus of vice and corruption and this fog of complicity and silence.
And then I was thinking about something else. This place was also a place of of extreme animal cruelty, starving to death. A lot of them were sick. They were put into like pens that were too small, like they were treated horribly. Being an American and Canadian, you know, living on both sides of the border, but raised mostly in Canada and raised, you know, in East Vancouver, criminal culture in Canada, I believe, and I really, truly believe this
has more of a code of silence. The code of silence is well founded and it's deeply ingrained in the aspects of organized crime in the broader criminal subculture, especially in Vancouver. When I grew up who's don't rat, no informants. It's a powerful unwritten rule that discourages individuals from cooperating with law enforcement or speaking openly about their criminal activity.
You know, like, for example, like even when I first started my platform, I started off, my first name was Vancouver True crime. Some of the hardcore E Vaners considered I was dry snitching, even though I wasn't really talking about anything. I was talking more about my life growing up there. I wasn't talking about criminals in East Van or specifics or anything like that. But even that cutting it too close for some of them, right? And then there's like the organized crime influence,
right? There was like a big biker presence on the property. And that's a, you know, threats of violence, threat of silence. Dave Picton was accused of sexual assault. You know, there was some witnessed intimidation by some burly men that like to ride motorcycles too, right? So there you go. And then there's like the cultural parallel, right? We're getting both the withholding of the documents.
The blue wall of silence is well documented in Canadian police forces where officers or discouraged reporting on misconduct by fellow colleagues, right, Further normalizing the secrecy and non cooperation in the broader context, you know, researching lots of different serial killer cases and like, you know, a lot and especially a lot of the American ones, the American serial killers seem to like to talk, right? They like the they like the the, the attention and the notoriety.
David Berkowitz The only exception in Canada really was Clifford Olson. He loved talking. He talked every chance he got right. He confessed to his crimes. He got paid for his crimes. You know he was a chatty Cathy. He loved talking Picton. We didn't hear a word from him. He gets locked up in 2007 few pen pal letters and a few tell all books that got heavy
suppressed. But he didn't say anything while he was locked up. So I believe, I truly believe this, that this code of is stronger in Canada and criminal circles. Talking reinforces by both organized crime and community norms, American criminals, individualistic and motivated by fame, where Canadian criminals tend to value group loyalty and discretion is more.
Despite being one of the most prolific serial killers in Canadian history, Picton has never granted an interview, never spoke publicly about his any writings he produced was kept from public view. There's been little forensic follow up or psychological profiling he shared with the public. And then one of the most darkest rumors I've heard these like, OK, so when I start following this case way back in 2002 and I need some good sources.
I knew people that were lawyers. I knew people that were RCMP and and these were credible sources. And even way back then in 2002, in this case broke, everyone whispered about snuff movies book Stevie Cameron's book on the farm, a woman who spent time with Dave Picton went to the bonfire parties and was in Dave Picton circle. She said that there was rumors of snuff movies being made there going all the way back in the 80s and Hurt and she hung around there around 1986.
The snuff movies, Snuff films and extreme violence While there are persistent rumors and criminal circles about the production and distribution of snuff films, especially in connections with cases like Picton, concrete evidence is extremely rare. Law enforcement and researchers
generally agree. While videos of extreme violence circulate on the dark web, the existence of true snuff films murdered committed for the purpose of filming and selling the footage remains unproven in a legal sense. From my understanding, and I re, I've talked to some people who have very high up gang ties, like really high up. They told me, you know, off the record, and this is a really solid source. These movies make a lot of money on the dark web. People pay to have access to
these movies. They generate a lot of revenue and some sick people will have like a checklist. There's a certain scenario or torture or whatever they want and they'll Commission to have it done. I I think a lot of legal experts and what what, what they're splitting hairs on. It's like pornographic studio that makes a certain type of genre of movies. So let's say one that's into like threesomes or midgets or whatever, there's a production company that specializes in a
certain type of pornography. Maybe it's gay porn, maybe it's it's transgender porn or whatever. They specialize in a, in a certain production. And I guess what the legal experts saying that these are these production companies that are making murder movies as a production company. And I think they're giving it that much, too much credit to organize. I think a lot of times these movies are made very ad hoc in the moment. They're opportunistic.
With the advance of cameras on the phone cameras, video equipment is definitely a lot more portable now. You don't need a big, large, you know, high value camera like you did in the old days that had film and lighting and all that. You know, even while the Picton during the Picton era handheld camcorders for a thing. There's another case that believe it or not, has some connections to the Picton case.
It was about a woman who went missing on Vancouver Island on Canada Day and she was taken to a house party. And after I put two years into that case, I, I did a podcast about it, but I took it off for a whole bunch of reasons. I'm going to reboot it sometime down the road. My friend David, who was a mob enforcer, a hitman and a top drug trafficker and including working for Colombians, Mexican cartels, he's done some podcast with me.
He knows a lot about that case. And he was a material witness in that case. The long story and at the root of this case was snuff movies being made to put it in context that there was this dude, really bad dude. He trades people for drugs and he's not choosy. He'll he likes men or women and he likes messing them up.
This woman that went missing on Canada Day, she was brought to the house and basically traded for drugs and they decided that they were going to make a snuff movie and they were going to do all this terrible stuff to her, but they weren't going to really kill her. But they got carried away and they ended up killing her and then these tapes floated around. So I think in a lot of times, this is how this scenario works. It's sort of like a crime of opportunity.
And I don't think that there's an actual, you know, production company like, you know, the ones that make pornography and, you know, have a brand name and you can call a number and stuff and every time you look it up on there, oh, no stuff, movies are back. There's no such thing. It's that that's like the biggest crock of shit. Lot of criminals and psychopaths have have handheld cameras,
cameras on their phone. They like doing violence to people and they like to relive the violence in it, right? There's even websites that you can find that are not even on the dark web that just are filled with all kinds of torture and murder and grotesque stuff. So I do believe that was going on on the farm. How organized it was is another
thing. There's the testimony of Diana Rock. Diana Rock, who was held there for three days in her court testimony by and she said she was held in a blacked out room, abused by multiple men, gang raped. This horrific. So one of them could have had a camera, you know, little
souvenir, little memento. So again, this case, I can't emphasize it, represents unfinished horror and why the Picton case still haunts Canada. The official story of Robert Picton's crimes ends with his arrest in 2002 and his conviction in 2007 and his death in prison in 2024. But the deeper truth is far more unsettling.
According to high level sources within the criminal underworld, individuals who operate at the top tier of organized crime on Picton's farm really never stopped the methods, the victims, the predators just move somewhere else. Women, often Indigenous, often struggling with addiction or trapped in the cycle of exploitation, are still being taken to remote properties where they're abused, tortured and
sometimes killed. The buyers, men who pay for the privilege of inflicting pain, the sellers, those who see these women as disposable and the authorities, well, they're not really shutting the not making these arrests or not providing disclosure and transparency. I have a source who told me and it kind of goes aside in some of the other investigation where the Picton thing. Never really stopped maybe it's not as as a big scale out in the open with the 2000 attending
parties. You know 2000 people is a lot of people at a venue average nightclub 507 hundred people is a busy night. 2000 is a RIP roaring, you know event. So I don't know if it's they're, they're not at this scale, but from my informant, they said that there is these properties in rural areas where women are taken and men do terrible things to them. Is it filmed? Maybe. Is it put on the dark web? Is it made in these red rooms? Who knows? I'm too chicken to go on the dark web myself.
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