When I saw the poster for the first time to now, we were in a new water mark, obviously. It's becoming more dangerous. Yeah. For sure. It's really become much more dangerous jobs, different things that they're like Fentanyl and it is such a this event know, it's other things. People are just putting whatever in their drugs, you know, to make money and it's hurting people. I guess the most fundamental question is, why are you doing? Cuz he, he put your putting your
neck out doing this. Yeah, for sure. I'm like I'm really doing it big time this time, you know? I've been Drug advocate for is quite some time. You know, I ran. It screams catch one for 40 years as medical dispensary to go to lunch periods of them and we helped a lot of people that losers, they helped a lot of people, you know, from children to grandparents that you don't
everybody. And we say, you know, that's what's going on in Vancouver. Now that I'm living here, I just feel it's the right thing to do. I lost a brother a few months ago to an overdose they found him under a bridge. Oh yeah. And then my other than a brother who was murdered it's just that it's And I think nobody else is really stepping up about you sighs, Sarah here and then given
her some blocking dear. So I just think it's something that I'm just going to go ahead and do if they arrest me. They arrest me - we'll do a constitutional challenge did. Say it's just a fast track, D to get lost. You ever get the law changed, why put yourself at such personal risk, to do this Felix? I just the right thing to do. People are dying and I can't just stand there and let people die for somebody. Told me.
It's ok to Save Somebody. I believe that if we can we should And that's what I'm gonna do. We frankly, I'm not done with the Cannabis industry. I'm still in court, has been in court, six years now you a constitutional challenge for medical cannabis dispensaries. Yeah, recreational cannabis dispensaries. They left the whole medical regime. So I'm trying to get the law changed and grew myself as well. You do 25 years, they find out tomorrow.
Actually, if that comes to me, or if we change the law. So if I do win, the new connector piece that him sacked, you know, allow medical cannabis dispensaries not just online and Over the years, there's just nothing standardized in the Cannabis industry, right? Yeah, standardized, especially with the strains if you want to get the same stream tree three times and servitor can't do that. In fact, they don't even show you a kind of straight.
It is says, I'll take a picture of Google, it believes that it is the rules. They will show you the actual plan. Right? How does your system work? Like maybe you will break down how you're going to be different than what? Because honestly, I think that you are Possibly the only person in the world doing it the way you're doing it. Yeah absolutely. Yeah the open yes. Yeah I know yeah system. I just gotta do what I do.
Well this is a bit of a sister I guess, you know, the first thing we can do is put our necks out there and starts it and they don't think about myself in that. In that point you I think everything else is much more people. There that needs help right now but none from behind right now. So I should be out there. Helping people is what I think I should be doing. If I have the opportunity to do so, then it going to do so.
So what happens basically is, I'm going to go do what I'm going to do. Yeah, they come arrest me fail. They don't hire Paul and they lawyer and we'll start doing a constitutional Challenge and then we start getting the law. So the rest of your Thursday cocaine distribution will say, hey, this is a this is we should be allowed to do this. People should be allowed to get it safely, super psychedelic state plan on doing the First Freedom of thought Casey. Ever. Oh wow.
If no one's ever done before even talk case the world. Maybe how are you guaranteeing? That these drugs are safer fentanyl free and how you testing them? Not sure. I use Dana's store. He's a good friend of mine. You don't get your drugs tested Vancouver here, and that's Vancouver. Cultural Health improved machine for their, the spectrometer. So that's what we're doing. And we also attend those trips. We do use the spectrometer to make sure is what it is. The drug is what it is. Okay.
Wow, first saw the poster I did have a knee, jerk reaction, this is crazy. And the end of the day, it's the demand for diff why these substance, if there's lots of ways you can escape reality. There's alcohol. There's other, you know, there's other substances, but what do you think that draws people to these substances that in your opinion, drama childhood trauma and most cases these people have taken care of happened to them, they can't deal with them.
So they'd usually find a drug that, you know, helps him escape. And one of those unfortunately is his heroin In fact know, right, okay. Amazingly, you know, the heroin in there in the opiates here, it seems to be the big one, takes him out of that world and you
can step into now. And that's all I meant in that moment and because they're so far down, now it's the cycle, helping them get out of that cycle and because it's difficult as possible as they can to get out of that cycle that you keep it low, really low welfare checks, very little funding, for this little help there, it's not like to get psychiatrist and psychologist out there, you know, on the street trying to
help these people. You know, me and you don't think those cases, they're making them a criminal instead of a Canadian citizen. They need some help. It's a health issue. It's not a criminal issue. What's your plans from a retail location? Sure. Yeah. It's definitely a business for sure. You got to be money to run a business and operate, these sort of things. So we are going to operated as a business. But what we're going to do is have money, is it different? Different things are normal
business. Would do, we can put it back to the community and try and help people. So, basically, we're just going to open like any other store. That's cocaine LSD. Heroin all these sort of things and everything will be fendall, free and tested, as you know, as a drug, it's supposed to be. So basically that's all we're gonna do is over it as we reach out, we are going to monitor it.
We're going to ask people to sign a waiver and we're going to get everybody signed that waiver by the way, we would like to do, get some information on them, maybe fill out a questionnaire, so we can get some research on these people and find a way to help them that way. But basically, whatever you ask, everybody musics, people get want their freedom.
They want their, You know, any so recent you what we're gonna do in order to same way as they ran like, cannabis dispensary, we're going to run it medicine as what it should be because it is a minute, the medicine for them, that's what they're using and they should be getting what they're trying to buy. Then you shouldn't be getting, you know, heroin with fennel they don't want heroin fentanyl should be getting cocaine with, you know, Ajax or something. Yeah, anything in it.
Yeah, exactly. So what we want to do is just provide a safe, test a drug so that people Going to have less overdoses. It's not that they're not going to have overdoses or death. But we are going to bring the numbers down by doing this almost like a wildfire of drug sales. So it's almost like a free-for-all for anyone to go in there.
Sell any type of drug dangerous. And I guess what you're trying to do then is to police provide some standardization to these drugs that are being consumed there. I may disagree about people doing drugs, even some other person before at the end of the day, every single day, if people are going to go there and they're going to use drugs, It's getting more and more dangerous. It's getting bigger. I was down there yesterday and is spread so much over the last
six months. It is mass detention every street. Every corner it's really in bad down there and yeah it is dangerous. It is dangerous because people have drug wars and as you know, is that each other? Because I know my brother had a deal. He got stabbed seven times the back once the dark. So ya know dis dangerous people have go to Ali's to get their stuff. You know what you're gonna get, they're gonna get robbed. These sort of things will be wanted.
Do is provide a good safe place where they can get their things. Another thing you bring up two and this is something. I talked a lot about on the podcast is predator, drug dealers that Target the vulnerable women they get in, they get you know they owe them a dad or whatever it is and their world is in a lot. You they World Turns really
upside down fast. So this could prevent, you know, women having to go to Predator, dealers and stories I heard or just monstrous and I heard it's getting worse, they say. The other, The Wish Foundation that does a lot of work down there. They said, it's the worst it's ever been for Predators even before going through the picked and stuff. So there's probably pickton's more pickton's around, right? So it's a scary world. There's so many things I can Cap'n.
There's this other people that have right, you know, get victimized by just sort of thing. They can't afford it. Do they do whatever they can to get that fixed, right, because they're addicted. Going to put themselves In Harm's Way intentionally or unintentionally, just to make themselves feel better. How does that sound? I'm so so so people take advantage of that just rated, that's really the worst thing. They can think it ever do to somebody to take been so much.
Pain does happen. So we just had an election. The people that came into Power. How did it feel that affects you in any way or just kind of just going to do what you're going to do and regardless of what's going on politically honestly? I don't follow the news pair of their politics whatsoever at all. Yeah, well yeah. The new bear, new new and again. Yeah, this is the new era, right? Is the one. I do worry about me to shed some light on this.
Your sis A you're successful at doing this, in the drug world. You know, there's a lot of copycats so someone could take your kind of model and start providing it. But then there have been in dangerous because they're about making Alba. Did you copy my not put dangerous f, it is. I hope these goal of all over Canada, you know, about the world. They should be providing safe to say facts instead to drugs and with all kinds of different things. I think they should copy my model.
I don't get it. Do you gang in town? I believe this numeric coming as well. Our. Yeah, I'm with him. I have friends over in politics. There are trying to set me up in the evening with him. So that would be really great if he did, take that. Well, first set your post around, you know, people. Hey, what's your thoughts on this? You know, their minds were blowing, how can he even do this?
Isn't this illegal? So, and I think that you're definitely one of the first won't be the last for sure. Yeah, I believe so. And another thing in politics, so it really wouldn't matter who's in my can save a life. I'm disabled. I find really don't care who's in there, right? So that they need to think arrest me and put me in jail, but when I get out, I'm just going to do on the Psychedelic side.
So it's interesting because, you know, you're a big advocate for that and, you know, researched on using these for Psychotherapy, for trauma, for post-traumatic stress that could help people maybe get off heroin or, you know, lucky I saw that you had ibogaine. I there's idle Games been very successful so maybe talk about some more of the holistic psychedelic therapies that could help people. I'm sure I don't have a Bible gave myself. This, something that should be really dumb.
It's professional. Okay. Elms or, you know, something like that. I've done title gated to see. It was like like see how it really wasn't for me. It all works for heroin addicts and stuff. I didn't have that problem, you know, the opioids have receptors. He I really like 25 MB o DT. The god molecule is his, my favorite Parts the world's strongest, like it out, but it is it's basically only. Only drugs that we take you to the other side of death was that DMT every Spy that Mio GMT.
Fine. That's okay. What most people do is n and d and T. It is a street. Oh, it's exciting as it should be, you know, but it's just not on the same level whatsoever. Wow. Not even close. You had no, this is unbelievable that it really works for me. That's for sure. I think I would really work. Well, there's a lot of you or drama currently work for Mike. Then he said he used it for helped his personal trauma.
Yeah he cries read in his interview he said but yeah I know used to survive mboga and keys. Well the toad wow. No is he said your kids and that puppy and ineffable to explain. You know the first time I ever did it. It's just first was like absolute power. You don't have any well every well, first you going is boom. You're done everything. You're nothing. You were just, you know, there's nobody, there's nothing. Just our wow. And then Is this different parts to it.
You know, there's another part to into that first experience where all they felt was the most overpowering feeling of love. I've ever felt in my life. Wow, so these things can really a trend send a person and in some cases it can help heal these parts of their broken Soul. So to like 20 years of therapy, that one's actually. Just like they say no, I broke down and I cried. And they tried to forgive myself for all the, But done to myself.
Yeah, it's like Champs and Prime when I got home at the end of the day, it's never good for society. If a large portion side, he is sick can't function. They can't cope and they can't even do the proper things for themselves. I think if we're at a new high Watermark and this drug question, then we also have to have other abilities to try to help, you know these people, right? So, if be something because it's sad to watch the downtown Eastside were last 30 years, and
He descended into a living hell. Like there's no other way to describe it. As some people living in, they often have people walk by that Nate nor that they go down to you know yeah somebody's brother somebody's sister somebody's mother and father, there's somebody's family not yours and you have to start looking at the way.
Do you anticipate you know maybe even problems like on a security level it was one of my first questions, you know there's some bad dogs in this business and other is the other is this another reason to put myself out there risky, so people don't have to go through that. They don't have to worry about getting the gun, put their dead. If I had that many times in my life, one of the reasons I want to do this, so people don't have to go through that for security will definitely have security
guards. Wear a bulletproof glass and there behind that. You know, we're very limited drugs on site will bring it and yeah. Basically, I would limit here, together, we have bulletproof glass, all these sort of things. We keep very, very limited drug supply on hand and hopefully it goes well, that way. I mean, it was just some problems, but as long as we keep it into the minimum will probably have the minimum
problems and Drug stash. The other service that I provide, as part of the city's Supply, it's all prepaid for. So there's really, very little chance of getting robbed. This is right? Okay. Yeah, drug world is Is the drug World? It has a big spectrum of people you know. People are pretend not to do them and do them behind closed doors and then people creepy out in the open with them, right? And it affects every Walk of Life and every profession and
stuff. So you're gonna get a wide variety of experiences right there with room Vision, just a little while ago actually I went through a whole nation and said about to happen. So we're going into a store. Now this is as I said the new era, you can orm the dark web and message Or as I'm sure there's all kinds of ways. And then I said, with you being the kind of a new high water marks and no, I'm doing out in the open website, social media you're on posters, if QR codes, truly mind blown.
I was like, but at the same time, not surprised. That's where we're at. Sure. What do we always do first? Imagine, you know, we used to stand on the corners with posters and signs and the streets of Vancouver here and everywhere you don't take over the streets and people used to laugh at us for doing these sort of things, but cannabis is legal now, Yeah, true. Yeah. And there was a lot of pushback against it to a lot of pushback. I remember all.
Yeah, all my life. It was like, cannabis was like the devil's Leaf, you know. So yeah. It's funny to, you know, go through all that and then see where it is today and and is the world burning down because people can go buy weed at a store and again, the, these are harder substances than weed and I don't think cannabis is in the same ballpark as Coke, but still, there's again, your Going back to again regardless of how I feel about people using Coke
or not. There are a lot of people that want to use it and that's their previous, he said their preference drugs and they'll go through risky Behavior, talk deal with someone that's potentially dangerous to get it and put their lives at risk? Wait, I feel it's more important to have such runs like that, legal, besides canvas. So it's difficult to prevent all that sort of stuff.
You don't prevent the risk of death, prevent the risk of robbery or just jump, you don't Predator, sort of things, you have a legalized standard Isis. Mmm. Wow. Yeah, any last thoughts or was my glory popping up there? I don't know. I hope it goes. Well, that's for sure. I just want people to have an open mind about. These people are very close. My eyes is generally not their
fault. This is the way they're conditioned and what they've heard with their growing up, and it's a total just right or wrong, I just wanted people to just sit back and use their own judgment. Not, not a, you know, that's something that's been if you know, affected by somebody else's thoughts, what didn't really sit back. Back and take him since my mom. That's my brother. That's my sister out there. What would I really want for them? But I want something safer like to them.
What I prefer. They were getting something dangerous. Obviously, that could be covered everything or fentanyl in the kadai like my brother be murdered. Like my brother like me if that's what they want, they should continue going on but their thoughts are with you are but I don't be this way. Anybody really wants it. No helpful in the end they want a better Society. They want to say for society and they certainly don't want their sisters.
Mothers and their daughters being prejudiced toward but you know, that's what I think. It's think I'd really like to take. Take a step back and really look at the situation. Yeah, it is a nightmare. It set all the other things. We talked about me. No women being targeted, Predators the robbery, the gang violence and stuff had, there has to be a way to kind of dial that back down and actually treat people that that need help that because that stuff does get in the way, right?
It takes up a lot of the resources and stuff and then it kind of like, even myself included, it kind of clouds your lens when you. Okay? Well, there wouldn't be all these crimes if it wasn't for these drug users, right? So then they become an easy scapegoat, Goat and I probably done that myself getting myself into and it's important to have open dialogue for even for this
question. In my opinion, this is one of the most important conversations that City of Vancouver Metro Vancouver in the province of British Columbia has to have about safe Supply. Large population of addicted, people who need help. And how are we going to bridge it? So we get to a better place. I don't know what we're doing is not working obviously. Well there you do G, criminalized in January so they do need to say IT Supplies 50-somethings allow people to do
something. If there's nowhere to get it safely. Well, Jerry. Hopefully, we can have another conversation down the road. I'd love to keep talking to you about this. All right, I really appreciate you. Having me on the show. Thank you. Jerry take care. Have a good day. Thank you.