So this this episode, I was going to call it Gladiator School cuz that was a nickname for Collins Bay. What's the true nickname? Yeah. So they start off like, how did they get that nickname? Well, I don't know what I know. How I got that nickname is it's a crazy. It's a crazy house. Yeah, it's a crazy house. It's it's under our maximum security. It's a level 5. I think a Level 5, it's media Max.
And yeah, right from there, if you get into trouble with calls Bay, you're, you know, you're going into right, right into maximum security. And yeah, it's borderline, you know, it's it's always fights and always stabbings and killings. And so, yeah, that's why it's about his name. Gladiator school. You had to be taught to survive that place. That's crazy. Yeah, it. Is crazy. So maybe tell me that some of the different prisons you serve time in.
Well I didn't serve much time as in provincial like I when I was 14, I'd like I did the adult prison in Kenora, that's a that's like a city jail. But you you know if you don't have many jails in Kenora. So that was just it's it's jail under two years less a day. You were doing it there. Then I from Kenora I did time in Metro East so W Detention Center at Scarborough E then that should see jails and we east and West and and then from there I went to Mimico and that was it
for provincial. Then from there I did Federal Collins Bay and. Millhaven, Matt Squeal here out West and Kent. And then when I got out in nine late 96, I reoffended. In 2002 I was looking at 18 to life and I was very fortunate. I've gone out of the plans for me. I got two years less a day. So that was I was in Victoria will consider Road and then from there I went to Nanaimo. It's called the NCC Nanaimo Correctional Center. That's places I had serve time.
Wow, that's quite the tour. So if you added all the time that you did all together, how many years would it be? Geez. I have a lot of time. You know, I didn't as a juvenile. I did time as a juvenile. I'd say. I say you were from 17 years solid, you know, 17 years total, 18 to 17 years. We're on that, that light. That's a lot of time. A lot of time, yeah, a lot of time. But like my call, they calls Bay before I went to the before I got sentence.
I did six months. And then when I went into the Calls Bay I did and to oh I went to bath camp. Excuse me, I I went to bath camp too and also went to a camp in out here at West called Alba Lake. So I did see two camps, but I was, I was saying when I was in Calls Bay, my first, my first stunt, I did it inside there, approximately 14 to 15 months inside the Bay.
And then I got transferred. And yeah, then I got transferred to a lower security, which is bath camp because, you know, is a modern, a good, a good prisoner. So, you know, he's doing my courses and my programs that I was assigned to. And yeah, I went to a lower security and there I got to go out on passes to show that I was at security risk. And then when I got my parole, they looked at all of that and they gave me that parole, which got me into a halfway house. Right.
So I did, Yeah. So I did about two, 2 1/2 years in total. Like, out of that and that five years, I did 2 1/2 years of it Inside. Inside. Inside. Bucked up. Yeah. Not including the dead time with the dead time. Okay, so we ended the the last podcast on the Your Some Pretty Serious charges. Was there a trial? Just know there was a preliminary hearing. Once we get the preliminary hearing that means they it's a
trial within a trial. It's you go up, you see what the credit attorney has, what evidence they have, and then you have the option if you feel that they don't have enough you. Take it to trial, but us. Listen, my Lord and I, listening to their evidence. I I was there's no way I could go and trial and beat that case. So I ended up making a deal on that, on that charge. So no, there was no trial, just a preliminary hearing. And what was your sentence for that? I got five years for it.
I have three years for the extortion and the two years for taking his car during that extortion. Well, five years, yeah. So you we had like, you know, a conversation after the podcast and you were, you know, taught you were talking about, you know, the circumstances before you went in on your first day. Right. So you are the average prisoner and you had you had St. reputation and some pretty high up people vouched for you. Yeah, very. Yes, yes, yes.
Well, it's in the bike club, but like my my ex wife's. My exwife's sister went out with the president of a Toronto chapter club and she was doing Tiger Virginia for smuggling oil and anyways because I had called, I had they were they were contact so you know I did work for them and they gave me work so but anyways when I went to when I went to prison. They had their boys making it. They told the boys to look out for me and make it nice and comfy there for me.
OK, so maybe you explain to the listeners how this is important, like how this helped you like this. Really. Maybe break that down. Big time. You know when you when you walk into an institution, you got nothing. You know you have nothing. They give you your greens, your your, the prison clothes, You get a toothbrush or toothpaste, your blankets, your sheets and that's it.
So when I got in there, you know, I got, you know, right away I I got my I they had to be track pants and T-shirts that if I did, I didn't smoke. But they if I wanted cigarettes, I, you know, anything and everything that I needed, I got. You know, he just helped me right away with everything. Stamps, canteen, you know, food, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I was. It was big. It was a big help for me. And stamps are kind of like currency in prison, right? Yes, cigarettes and stamps are
currency. Maybe breakdown the different like the inmate hierarchy inside for the listeners. Well, it comes in clicks. So you have clicks. You got, you know, you got your Bifa. Your Bifa is it would be the black group and then you have your native brotherhood, then you have your French crew, then you got your East End to, you know, East End Toronto crew, then you got your Italian crew. So yeah, you got your cruise and
then within your cruise. You know, you know, you've got a lot of serious players in your crew and in the more serious players in your crew, the hardest, stronger your crew is in this and the more fear you are. And what would he say? Yeah, sorry man. What would you say the the most important do's and don'ts, especially if you're a new inmate in that environment? First the first what I was told my E Well, this same thing I tell anybody that was told to me.
First thing, do not go into debt. You just never go into debt. You don't go into debt that you can't pay. Bottom line, you never look somebody in the eyes that you don't know for a long time. You tell them, look somebody in the eyes. There's a word called goof. You don't call somebody a goof? Yeah, that's take care too. Yeah, mostly in prison. Those you just bottom line, you don't call them a goof, Yeah. And yeah, I just keep keep keep mind your own business.
Just mind your own business. Do your own time is that's a model of mine. You got your friends and you know, don't be talking about people, but people's backs and just be straight, be solid, be respectful and anybody. OK, cool. So tell me about what what's the consequence when these rules are broken and like how? And maybe expand on how are disputes handled. Well every disputes handled different by it, you know by by everybody is it depends who you are.
But it depends you know like if somebody if I know if you're in the if you're anywhere where where there's people inmates or all somebody calls you a goof right there. You better deal with it right then and then you have to deal with it. You just don't you have to deal with it. You just have to. If you don't deal with it, then you're you might as well. Back up and go into into protection, custody.
You have to deal with it. If you're in debt and there's problems, you know you, you know if you can work it out, you go to your, your, your crew. You know, you feel you sit down with the crew and tell hey, this is what's happening. I got myself in debt. I was supposed to have the money today, but whatever reason, I don't have it, but I can have it at this certain time and okay. So then you know you're going.
To the other person and say, listen, we'll pay that, we'll pay that up and we'll pay interest and you know, which would be 25 points on it cuz I was late or whoever was laying on it and that's that. But yeah, and for fights, you know, fighting, you know, yeah, they're still metrics. First fights didn't ship people. So yeah, it's about the money is you want to talk to your crew. Yeah, your crew is your crew is your lifeline and yeah, your crew is your lifeline in and
your crew will talk. You will get together with the your the part the that party who you have the conflict with and that person will probably more likely bring his crew along. Just make sure that it that there's no problems and that's how it's duty dealt with. So you guys have like if you have a bit of a sit down and try to work it out before violence and that occurs, right? Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, maybe you break down the day of a life, the average day of the life of a inmate, especially in Collins Bay. But they had like there, you know it's I'll say you wake up first three in the morning at 6:30. The the, the, the gate. Your cell doors will be open at 6:30. And you have an option to make Brooke, you know, to go to breakfast or not. So 630 by 7:30, you'll be back in your cell. You know you're back in your range getting ready for work.
They'll call work up at 7:30, and by 8:00 you have to be out of there in your workplace by 8:00. And then you'll put in about 2 1/2 hours. At your workplace till 11:30 you'll be released out of there at your workplace at 11:30 and you'll be sent back to your to your door where your cells are and by 12:00 it'll be count up and then they'll do that count and what's count is clear.
You will make lunch at 12:30 and by wondering about 1:00 a little after one they'll call work up. That's for your afternoon work. And you should be at your workplace by no later than 1:30. And then you'll be you'll be there till 3:30, you'll be released out of that your workplace by 3:30 and then count will be at four, maybe a few minutes after four once count is
cleared AT4 supper time. You know you have the option again at every meal you have a choice, you want to go or not go if you can go and then after supper you know they'll do a another count and then after that count we'll do a yard. You have the option to go to yard or you can go to the OR to the gym and that's an hour and a half. And after an hour and a half, you can either stay there or not. Now if you prefer not to go to the gym during that time, you can stay there and be playing
cards with your friends. So you know whether the guys on the on your range, right? So that's your first count, your first, your first yard up, so now they'll call, then they'll call okay change over. So now the second change over is happening. If you want to go to the gym or the yard, you can or not. Again, you just you can still be playing. Cards with your buddies. That's two changeovers. You can be playing cards if you don't want to go to gym. So there's two changeovers now
two gyms. So the last one it'll be at 9:30. Then you got 1/2 an hour. Once they say you got yards over you, you better rush to the range, get showered up because at 10:00 that just you're getting locked up And then then that's your Damon. It's actually a pretty busy day. Yeah, it can't be busy if you want it to be. It's all it's all up to you. Right. Right. No, I make so I'll. See you how you do your time, maybe talk about contraband and how does it get in.
Contraband. There's many ways to contraband coming in many ways. So you can get in by the guards you got money and I need if you know you know if you. You to get a copper to work to first of all to get a copper to bring you into touch your bed. It's it just doesn't happen overnight. You know the copper will will have to know you for quite a lot of time and knowing that you're not in an apartment and once you're trusted a copper will do it for you. But that costs money, of course.
And then the other ways of bringing in is to visits. And which are you know normal visits when your family and friends will come to visit you which is when you get when you come to visit you're going to be either strip searched or not and and to bring to bring drugs that that's in your in your cavity it'll be visitor cavity. So yeah, it's in their cavity and then once you're in the visiting room, that comes out of
their cavity there. Unless there were a naive enough to go into the washroom, take the kids when you go and leave your visiting room to go into the washroom, visitors washroom on the outside you they can get searched coming back in. So so move the move. The more experienced person bringing drugs, they won't do it. They do it right there in the visiting room. They do the exchange and the and the the MA would take that. They take it from the the person that's bringing the drugs and
they would put in their cavity. And that's how it's brought in the visiting room. And then you have to be at these, which is private family visits, Which are, Yeah, Which? Which people get every three months if they are married, they have family and they and they're good inmates, right. Trouble. Second award of. Course, yeah, they're good. Good standard, good standing under when the institution you'll get these this, you'll get these visits. They're not.
They're earned. Just don't get them. They're earned and a lot of drugs come in from from them visits And then there's socials. Now the the institution itself has social Christmas socials. They have a Christmas social. They have about 3 socials the institution holds for the inmates. So a lot of drugs will come in that way which they would. That means what happens is. Family friends will come from the outside, will come right inside into the institution, right inside there.
And it's the, the, the, the social will probably be, if it's the winter cry, there's just Christmas inside the gym, right. So there'll be tables in the chairs and it'll be a big spread. You might have a band that, you know, the inmate band and yeah, so you're right there. So it's easy to pass the drugs, you know, very easily there.
And also you had the groups like that I mentioned, you had the best father black groups, you have the Italian group, you have the French group, you have these groups. And these groups are allowed to have socials too, right? So each clique has their own social. Right. Yeah, so, so now during them socials, they come into the inside your your, your guests are allowed to come into the institution to spend time which we have our money. They may say that we have a big
spread of food and. And fruits, you know, we could. It's forwarded from outside. You know, lobster stings, whatever. We whatever You want to speed that feed yourself, you order it. And yeah, there's no jokes coming that way. You're mentioning the consequences if you were the inmate that did something that had one of these events cancelled. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know, yeah. No. That's a bad, bad thing. See, just the rule, the rule is this.
If we have a problem, if there's a problem and there's a social coming up, that's when the group, you know we will deal with it. You know, we'll have the meeting within with with each other and we try to solve it because we don't want that, we don't want that, that social to. I can't screw it under any circumstances because a lot of people are relying on that. That's, you know what I mean? That's the lifeline. Those socials are lifelines. So, yeah, so you don't want to screw that up.
I mean, there's people that you know, have, you know, stab to kill people because they had to, you know. But it's social sometimes, You know, again, it depends how. But when the incident happened, right? How close it is? If it's the same week, this social will happen, right? This will not happen. If it's like maybe 3 weeks before, the good chances it will happen, the closer to the social it will not happen. Right. So everyone tries to stay on their best behavior for those these socials.
Yes, yes, yes. Again. Like I said, it's a lifeline, man. It's everybody's lifeline, these socials. Yeah, maybe break down a little bit of the the guard inmate relationships. Yeah, just, you know, you got your young guys doing small time and you got your guys who doing your big time, right? And everybody's different,
everybody's different. And you know, before before a guards go on shift and every new mate comes in to, the guards will have a meeting to talk about a new inmate who has come in. Like for myself, example, you know, you know the first time I come to tell him, like this guy who's a serious offender, they'll tell him my charge. You know, he's violent. So, you know, be careful. So now knowing that these guys don't, you know, no, no sensible man will want to get on my bad side.
You know, it just don't want that to happen. So. They'll observe me and they want. I'll give them the respect and they'll give me the respect. Everything is again goes on respect, right. Yeah. So you know once they see. Once you earn their respect and they earn my. They earn my respect, you know. Hey, boss. You know hey, hey, Mr. Bell. You know. Yeah. Hey, it's like he's just, he tried try to keep things close, all down. He's cool.
But you know again once you've been there for years and they've been there for years. You know you you gain that friendship with them. They you know, they just, they they turn they turn an eye on to on little trivial things. You just turn an eye they won't bother you on. You know you're getting a tattoo which is against against the policy there and if they catch, if they caught me getting a tattoo that's up and you know like come on man, they'll put it away. Right.
None of my ship. Sorry boss. You know. So yeah, you got a lot of good coppers like that, and then you got a lot of, then you got a lot of coppers that are idiots. So it works is how it works. What are some of the the punishments that the institution can implement like for like infractions and stuff? Maybe get into that a little bit. Well, there's a lot. You know, there's one that it's called the good order of the institution. Now this act here. It happened to me at a good
order of the institution. They can lock you up and they can keep you there as long as they want the whole, yeah. So you don't want to get back on you. Then there's a you know, like if you get caught smoking or caught drinking booze, or you know you're making caught, caught making shine or you got in a fight or something, you know you could go to those. You better go to segregation and there is you'd have yours. They have called the segregation court and they'll still. It's like a trial.
It was in you know you know you the the deputy warden will come sit down and you have the warden. They'll hear your case and your charge and then as either you're doing the Week, 2 weeks, a month, two months, they'll all. So yeah, there's a lot of fractions. I all day. I can be here all day telling you that, you know, missing you fractions. Yeah, a lot of them okay. So now let's say okay. So this this sentence that when Collins Bay was three years. Right. So you're doing your time.
Tell me what it's like leading up to the day of your release. So especially like say though the the week, the week of and then the last day, the last 24 hours inside when you know you're going to be on the outside. Well, yeah. It's it's it's like a TV. It's like a TV set. Your head's like a spinning and spinning. You're not sleeping at night very well and all you're doing is thinking, well, you know what you're going to do when you get out, you know?
Yeah, it's just spinning. Your head's just spinning. No matter who you are that week, it's the toughest week. And the last day you're not sleeping. You know, sleeping. And then if you're a coffee or a guy, you know, you got friends, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to play a joke on you, on your on that last day before you get locked out.
They're going to do something silly on you and you know, like while you're in the shower, they're going to put some heat rub in your shorts or something. Can you put them on? Or if you're going, or if you or where you're in the shower, They're going to Saran wrap your toilet. So what? Yeah, So when you're taking a pee at night, you get all turn your legs right and then you all, it's not going into the toilets, right? Yeah, I'm making a big mess. So you.
Know, you get practical jokes like that too, but you're not sleeping. Guaranteed you're not sleeping. Have you ever seen situations where people, especially the people, are serving long stretches or are jealous and maybe try to sabotage someone's early release out of jealousy or spitefulness? You know, yeah, you get a lot of, you got a lot of weird players, man. Yeah, I have seen a lot of stupid shit, man.
But you know what? Sometimes these people get caught for doing it, I tell you, because with everybody's getting a click, man. And yeah, you know, you get it, but if that person gets gets found out doing it, it could be repercussions doing it. You know what I mean? Because yeah, you don't want to be getting caught to a childish stuff, man. Because, yeah, jealousy runs
rapid in there big time. And you know, there's a just called, there's a thing called the kite box when I mean kites, you know, like if you're flying a kite, right, These kites, yeah, it's like a kite box to put a they'll write AP on a piece of paper and they'll say, yeah, the devil's, he's selling drugs. And then they'll just throw it in the kite box, right. A little snitching. But they're called the suggestion box, yeah? That's what it is. Kite box.
So, yeah, people will rat on you just to put steam on you, right? Yeah. So yeah, you get a lot of that kind of nonsense going on in there, too. Yeah. Yeah. Modeled it. But I tell you, if the person gets caught, he's good as dead, right? Yeah, I know. I could see that. Would definitely make some enemies doing that, definitely. Good as dead. So when you get on the outside for the first time, what What's the What does the world look like after being inside for so long?
Wow. Wow. Yeah. This is it's, it's it's big. It's big. Yeah, it's big. You can smell things and you can taste things in the air. And just thinking about, that's the first thing I did was, you know, I was tasting the air. Yeah. You know again you know that that you were up. You know you've been thinking with that your whole day which you're going to do and you know and it depends like some people when you get out you go on straight to the halfway
household. Yeah you're you're you're limited on what you can do and yeah and then there's people that will get out straight on their mandatory they did the the jitter time and then the the 2/3 that's their good time. They get released. So wait for that. If you're on your you go. If you go wait to the parole board, parole office, you sign in and you know and then you're free. But every once. So once a week you got to go to your parole office before the
for you get. So you have three years left on your good time. So every month or every week you've got to go to see your parole office. Yeah. And you know and Even so you can't be a drug. You can't do drugs. Even though you did your time like you, you know you still got that that three, three-year that the 2/3 left. You still have to abide by the rules on the street.
You know your analysis. You got to have a job, you know, you know you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta play right Or you know, you're sold in the under a microscope. Yeah, you're under a microscope. And yeah, guaranteed, guaranteed. So as if you get. If not, you go back to jail though the fraction you and then you go back to jail and then you're going to do the rest. Your then you could do some more time.
Your good time is take it away and then you're doing your time, your good time back in jail for you going to fish it off inside, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what advice would you give to, say, a young person listing right now And they're they're either waiting for trial or there are they got their sentence and they're going to be going inside for the first time? I was told the same thing that was told to me, but do not go into debt.
Do not go into debt. Whatever you do, don't don't be, don't be. If you do drugs, don't do drugs, man. Whatever you do in there, don't get into that scene. Because if you are into that scene, you're not going to, you're going to do, you're going to do all your time. You're all the time. I I was you. I would. Do the programs, all that. Your, your case, your caseworking has a sign for you because when you go in you're
going to see a caseworker. And if you know and he's going to sit down and say, well, I want you to do this program, I want you to this program, I want you to go to school or he wants you to go to work and you're going to do it. You've got to do all those things and anything more you can do, do it. Never mind trying to be a hero. Don't try to be popular if you want to get out. If you got family, you got friends, do things right.
If you got nobody and you, you know, and that's the way you are, you know, like you don't give a shit. Well, in power to you, buddy. You know, we're saying, yeah, it's going to be a rough go for you. It's going to be a rough go for you. But yeah, that's the advice how you give just, you know, what about acting? What about acting like a tough guy, trying to go in there and acting like you're a real tough guy, maybe yet have insecurity, but still putting on the act?
You're gonna get you gonna put, you gonna get put down, easy as that. You're gonna get put down. You're gonna get put down if somebody doesn't like you. People gonna like you. Somebody don't like you. Just cuz you don't know nobody. You're gonna get put down so quick. It's gonna you're not even be there long. You're gonna get punched out stabbed. You're not gonna be there long.
You don't want to go in there with a chip on your shoulder thinking you're all that, a bag of chips that because you're gonna be put down. That's probably one of the worst things he can do, right? For me, that's probably one of the worst things he can do. Oh yeah, you know you're in there with you were there with murderers and killers and you know you were some real toughest rituals man. And and tough guys don't fight him on. We we don't fight among each other.
For what reason? I'm not going to get myself killed For what? Or hurt for what, You know. I know. We just don't. So if a guy's performing like that, Oh yeah, Mad. It's not you. And it's not just one guy. You're going to have 3-4, five guys on you. It's going to wipe you out, man. Yeah, man. No, you just want to do your, like I said, just mind your own business if you don't know nobody you know getting involved in the church group. That would be my my number one
suggestion. If you know nobody get involved into the church, get into the church group that you know the committee and talk to the inmate committee and they will help you try to. You want to you want to try to be you want to try to be sociable to the right people, and that's the right people. The inmate committee and the
church group. What about people, about people that come in and not saying in the situation like we're asked to, you know, if a person's listening and they're going inside, But what about people who are inside already and someone comes in with really bad charges, like bad paperwork, like child molester, rapist, or, you know, that type? How are those people dealt with? Well first of all they they're yeah. When you come into they wouldn't
be allowed into the institution. The see what happens is. When you first get sentence, say, OK, I'm charged with extortion. I was charged. My first one was extortion. So, OK, so now they look at your charge and they say, OK, that's extortion. Now that's that's serious. So they'll send me like you OK, ready to call Collins Bay or to Joyceville. But you know, then they look at me again. That's so others my other charges prior. And if there's a lot of bias, they'll send me to Collins Bay
because it's gladiator school. They. Yeah. So if you're a rapist and you're a pedophile, you better go to protection custody. That's in Ontario. That's called KP Kingston Penitentiary. I don't know if it's still active today but yeah the Kingston Penitentiary where where the the sick of all sick people go you know so if a guy came and and to Collins Bay with that type of paperwork they
wouldn't last today. So what happens is to with when you come in the guy, when you get clothing, like you have an inmate working with the with the guards. So he sees that paperwork too, right. And he'll Oh yeah. So right away you'll have that information and he'll go back into the institution and he'll just start spreading the word like, hey, this guy is this, this guy says it. Yeah yeah. And everybody will hear about it Then somebody's gonna.
Yeah everybody somebody's gonna react real quick Wow. And and also you know and you even have to be you know like if you have people on the street that have St. These when they come in now there's a desk problems too right. So, you know, it's a lot of people that have problems on the streets and then they.
They come in and hey, I remember you Remember Me and right, yeah, you were mentioning in one of our talks, you know off air that you you had situations like this, like you would come in and there's people in there that were worried about you and you kind of had to have a sit down to kind of squash things. That was, that was because of Eddie Mel that was with the Campusetti organization. That Eddie Melody of course you know Eddie melted before fighting my brother.
They tried to kill Eddie and Frank Rhoda and I've been doing time in calls Bay So now the campus a brothers got convicted of that crime of attempt murder you know trying to bomb Eddie and that Frank Rhoda. So now they're here in calls Bay and now here I am you know Eddie's brother. So the inmate. The inmate.
So the institution knows this. So the institution will have the inmate committee come to speak to me and then make, well, hey, well we got the little problem here, The Capsetti brothers are are here And you know, of course I know about that now because I know the institution knows this a lot is riding on what I'm going to say and do here because now I got the institution looking at me, right. So firstly.
I because it's a street beef. I had to image, I had to make me say to them first of all, is this now he's convicted, you guys are convicted. Is this beef between you and Eddie over with though or is this going to continue when you get released. So if they said that this beef was not over and it was going to continue, when they got on the release, they were coming in there because if they came in there beep, would it would it would have been.
Yeah, it would been problems. But they said, no, it's over with. You know, we want to get our lives over. It's over. It's over. So, yeah, Well, come on in. Let's do our time. Let's get along. So yeah, that's what happened in my case. So I told him no, everything he told me. Know that. But they're it's over with that. They're going to do their time and they're gonna set a new life. And that was that much. Yeah. Well, come on in then. You're welcome. I mean, so yeah. Wow. Intense.
Yeah, it wasn't. So after the last podcast, and then you know we talked after you wanted to say say some words for someone that you know that you wanted to say. Rico, man. Yeah. Rico, he was just he was my driver. He was like, he was my call for John. This guy was my brother. He he's still alive today. He's a married man. He's got 4 kids, he's got grandkids and when he was out there.
Working with me he had two jobs and I look gangster monster and I was helping him make extra money you know and I keep him out of trouble and he got convicted with me on the on the extortion but it was his first offense. He got three months for it and he did weekends on it. I felt so bad. That and I even when I had that extortion I had him like a long ways away. You know what I mean? But anyway, so I wanted to mention Rico. Because I love the guy very much. She's like my brother.
And today he's doing very well. He's, you know, he's retired now and he's a grandfather. And yeah, I'm very proud of my my brother Rico about that's a soul man. So I wanted, yeah, I just wanted to say those words. Oh, that's awesome. That's amazing. Well, it's not many people survive this life, as you've been telling me. And no, not many people, man. Just. Not many people. I believe God has a plan for me because I couldn't do what God
did. Like, you know, I don't know how many times my mother, but she was alive. And my father when they were alive, they prayed for me and hope that I would change. My dad got, but he used to call me a mafia bastard. Yeah, that's what she used to call me. You know, but he used to pray for me, man. And my mom, you know. I used to catch over me throwing holy oil water on me. And I'm with you doing. I'm waking up from a dead sleeping oil splashed on my face.
My mother was a nun, you know. Yeah, yeah. I don't pray for you. I want you to to be normal. And you know, so anyways, you know, I couldn't do it. I tried. I don't know how many times I just couldn't do it. But God came into my life and saved me so. Yeah. I appreciate your here telling your story and spending the time with me to tell your story. So I'm, I'm honored. So I really appreciate you, David. Thank you so much. Oh, thank. You mad? And God bless you, buddy.
I appreciate this time being able to help somebody. If I can help somebody, I'm honored. I'm Robert. Thank you. You have a great day. Thank you man and. You too, God bless you, my friend.