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Embracing the Devil in Picktonland

Mar 28, 202534 minSeason 7Ep. 2
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This content is not suitable for minors or sensitive audiences. If you choose to proceed, please prioritize your mental well-being. The crimes discussed are real, brutal, and unresolved—this series aims to honor victims, not sensationalize suffering.

Dive into the chilling depths of one of Canada’s most horrifying true crime cases with Embracing the Devil in Picktonland

This series unravels the dark legacy of Robert Pickton, the pig farmer turned serial killer whose farm became a nightmare of murder, cannibalism, and systemic corruption.

Through thousands of hours of research—including interviews with victims’ families, off-record police accounts, and forensic analysis—the podcast exposes shocking revelations: human remains sold as meat, male DNA evidence ignored, and whispers of blood sports and snuff films.


The series challenges the official narrative, questioning why authorities prioritized controlling public perception over pursuing justice.

From clandestine slaughterhouses to underground crime rings and a justice system accused of complacency, Picktonland uncovers a web of enablers and unanswered questions.

The Dark Mind Detective doesn’t just recount crimes—it confronts the societal failures that allowed vulnerable women, many Indigenous, to vanish unnoticed.

With raw analysis of interrogation tapes, crime scene details, and harrowing survivor testimonies,

Embracing the Devil in Picktonland is a haunting journey into humanity’s darkest corners.

A companion to the upcoming book “Welcome to PicktonLand”, this series is for true crime enthusiasts seeking the unfiltered truth.

Visit Dark Mind Detective for deeper insights. Listen now—if you dare.




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The mysterious and strange case of Robert Picton This research and story represents thousands of hours of deep investigation. I first began exploring the Robert Picton case seriously in 2022. The case is dark, disturbing and tragic, leaving an overwhelming sense of dissatisfaction as if the full story has never been told.

I have spoken to family members of victims, individuals who still work for Dave Victim and off the record police officers who were present at the crime scene when the case broke under Project Even him. I've read every available book on Victim and I combed through hundreds of court documents, victim witness statements, inquiry parts, Verbose yet lacking in new information. Despite the abundance of material on Picton, none of it paints a full picture.

In early 2024, January of 2024, a film production company from Toronto reached out to me seeking to create a series on Robert Picton. I contributed some information, engage in discussions, but ultimately I decided to conduct my own deep dive investigation completely independent of

external influences. Over the course of the year, I pursued an intensive and exhaustive examination of the case with a singular goal to uncover and present the true story of what I believe happened on that farm. The official narrative surrounding Picton was, in my

opinion, expertly crafted. The media, The government of BC, British Columbia, high-ranking officials within the RCMP and the Vancouver Police Department seemingly invested more energy in controlling the public perception of the case than conducting a thorough investigation. And this seems to be a frustration to many of the on the ground investigating officers.

Imagine if authorities had put as much effort to solving the case and bringing those responsible to justice as they did managing the case through inquiries, reports and press releases. Was the Picton crime scene a clean up operation or a true investigation? If it was an investigation, why don't we know all the facts? Why is there no available information on the male DNA found at the scene? Despite advancements in forensic technology, we know that 40 missing women's remains were

recovered on the property. Yet there's a disturbing lack of effort to identify the male DNA found on the body parts, such as the male DNA found on the teeth of a severed head in a bucket. The resources and energy devoted to this case were not aimed at finding the full truth, but rather at controlling the damage and the public perception. The real story behind the Pickton farm. Robert Pickton was an uneducated pig farmer who operated an illegal slaughterhouse.

He and his business partner butchered and processed 12 to 100 pigs per week in horrific, unsanitary conditions. The animals were often diseased. Purchase at the auction for the lowest price. This meat was then sold to shops in Chinatown and distributed throughout Metro Vancouver. It has been proven that human remains were mixed into this meat. What remains unknown is where other certain people knowingly purchased and consumed it.

Speculation exists that this tainted meat was deliberately sold for its human content, and some unsuspected recipients unknowingly consumed it. Despite the gruesome nature of the case and its implications of cannibalism, there was no thorough forensic psychological evaluations of Picton's motivation. 1 documented account describes Picton serving human meat at a dinner party, with one guest suspecting that the meat

was not regular pork. Picton's property was not just a slaughterhouse, it was a dumping ground for toxic waste. The soil from the industrial sites used for Expo 86 was allegedly hauled onto the farm and later sold as topsoil throughout Metro Vancouver. This soil, contaminated with traces and laced with human remains, was distributed to farms, schools, landscaping projects across the region. Another overlooked aspect of the Picton operation was its involvement with law enforcement.

Picked and ran a stolen car, Ring a shop chop. Operating under a contract with the Vancouver Police Department, he salvage cars and worked at the police auction. He even claimed to have found a bloody hatchet inside a police auction car. This provided an easy explanation for why women's belongings, clothing and ID's were found on his property. An explanation that conveniently was accepted without further scrutiny. Crime, corruption and a suspicious lack of arrests.

Beyond the murders, Picton's Farm was a known hub for illegal activities. There were weekly underground animal fights, pit bulls, Roosters battling to the death, attended by criminals, drug dealers and corrupt officials. Bets replace contraband was sold and sex workers were brought in. Despite the illegal nature of these activities, they were never rated or shut down. Piggy's Palace, the infamous event venue on the farm, was another anomaly.

A massive state-of-the-art sound stage capable of hosting 2000 people, it became a hot spot for off duty. Cops, bikers, politicians, teenagers, drugs, alcohol and sex workers were readily available. Authorities labeled the Picton's property the Killing Fields. Human body parts in various stages of decompositions were found in buckets, shroon among animal entrails. Hands, feet, and several heads were discovered in freezers along with packaged meat that contained ground human remains.

Yet we are expected to believe that Picton acted alone. One of the most perplexing aspects of the case is Pat Casanova, Picton's right hand man. Casanova, who was charged with 14 counts of first degree murder, worked side by side with Picton for 20 years, slaughtering pigs, allegedly sharing sex workers, some whom ended up as dismembered remains in their freezer. Despite this deep involvement, he slipped through the cracks with minimal scrutiny. This is not incompetence.

This is complacency and possibly something more sinister. One of the most revealing aspects of this case is Picton's police interrogation, which I will analyze in detail line by line. It is the only incident where he speaks freely. While he remains guarded, he reveals more than one might expect between the lines. I firmly believed that Picton murdered sex workers and that he derived pleasure from their suffering. He played a sick game of cat and mouse, reveling in the power and

control it gave him. It is also likely that he engaged in cannibalism as an ultimate assertion of dominance. However, Picton was no criminal mastermind. He was socially awkward outcast who carved out a grim existence on his family's land. The idea that he singly handedly became one of the most prolific serial killers in modern history, operating undetected in a first world country with advanced forensic and law enforcement, stretches the bounds of credibility. The deeper story remains

obscured. So as I mentioned before, I will be writing a book. It's called Welcome to Picton Land and in the book I have changed the names of the people involved, including the victims, out of respect for the families. I believe they have suffered enough and should not be forced to rely relive the trauma each time their loved ones are named

and mentioned. This podcast and commentary is where I will be mentioning names because it's I feel that it's important to go through my source material just because, you know, running my platform for now for six years, the most energy that I expend and I put thousands, if not 10s of thousands of hours into the dark mind detective platform, formerly of Vancouver true crime.

I would say about 50% of my energy is arguing with people for each and tiny little nidbit of source and where I came up with stuff. And, you know, there's a lot of keyboard warriors out there that will, you know, they'll let you know, you miss a comma, you make a typo. And, you know, they don't do any research themselves, but they expect, you know, your work to be absolutely, you know, impeccable, You know, So this series picked in land.

I am going to be going through all the source material, the names, dates and times and events in my book. Names will be changed because in the book, I really want you to be able to get the full view of the events on the farm, to spend your disability belief a little bit, even though it's based on

source material. And I want you to have the full story arc in a chronological of events from the history of Robert Pickton, his childhood, the informant that went to the police because he needed rent money. Basically the search on his farm, his arrest, his incarceration, his release, then his rearrest, his main interrogation, and then the rest of the search of the farm, the history, the people involved, Piggy Palace, the Co conspirators, his enablers, trial, and ultimately his death.

So my goal for the many of those seeking specific names, dates, official records, I have provided extensive material on my website. I was going to start a sub stack because I was highly recommended. Oh, we got to start a sub stack. Well I did my introduction page and now I'm accused of spamming and I just. I can't be bothered. So guess I'm sticking with my

WordPress site. So please go to my Dark Mind Detective website where I provide very in depth articles that are heavily fact checked and you know, there's a lot of information there and I maybe put about 10% of my information. I will continue to keep updating it as time goes on. And again, my goal is not to tell you what to think. My goal is to provide you with the information needed to draw

your own conclusions. What the Picton case ultimately proves is that the justice system in British Columbia is fundamentally broken. It's a stain on Canadian history. It's a cautionary tale of corruption, negligence and unanswered question. Until the full truth is uncovered, this will remain one of the most disturbing unsolved cases in the world of true

crime. Robert Pickton died on May 31st, 2024 at the age of 74. He was serving a life sentence at the Port Cartier Institution in Quebec. Pickton died in hospital following injuries sustained from an assault by a fellow inmate on May 19th, 2024. He'd been in a coma since the assault. So I had a follower reach out to me who told me, and this is, you know, this is not confirmed or this is not official.

But some of the details of this assault from how it was disclosed to me that he was in a, a general population area and someone came up to him and asked him something, asked him a question. And Robert Picton apparently was pretty rude with the guy, kind of arrogant and and dismissive. And the fellow inmate wasn't having it. He apparently grabbed a broomstick, cracked it and split it until it was like a sharp steak and shoved him up apparently and really did a number on him.

Apparently this is. I don't know the name of the inmate but it was disclosed to me. He was in his 50s and serving time for armed robbery. So did humanity a service. So my earlier podcast I talked with the two amazing women, Sue Brown, the lawyer for Justice for Girls and Doctor Sasha Reed for the From the Midnight Order. You can watch her show she did on Picton that's currently streaming on Hulu. It was a great pleasure talking

to them. Conversation really crystallized my research and I'm grateful for having that opportunity to talk to them. So the thing that they were advocating on the most with their efforts is the preserving the evidence. The fight to preserve evidence from the Robert Picton farm has been a significant point of contention for victims advocates.

Their aim was to ensure that potential further investigation or future legal avenues remained open, especially considering the vast amounts of evidence collected in recent developments. A legal ruling has gone against these efforts. The general outcome is that the court has sided with the disposal of the remaining evidence. Of course it did, right? Are you even fucking surprised? It's fucking Canada.

The decision has been met with deep disappointment and anger from the families and their supporter. Piggy Palace. The thriving nightclub allegedly generated substantial illicit income, estimated to be around 50,000 per night. The property was reported a significant location for trafficking of illegal substances. Evidence and testimony suggested that the farm was used in the exploitation of vulnerable

women. I also believe with my deeper research, which we will get into, that women were being held there against their will. This is the Mariana Trench of true crime and we are just on the shallow surface at this stage. My dear listeners, disturbing rumors and blood sports Perhaps the most unsettling aspect of the Picton case involves persistent rumors dating back to the 1980s of snuff film production on the farm.

While concrete, irrefutable evidence of actual film production remains elusive, chilling court testimonies did mention the occurrence of blood sports events. These alleged events involved the brutalization of women for perversed entertainment of paying spectators painting a

picture of unimaginable cruelty. This is a a testimony of Mona Wilson's partner Steve Ricks. This was published in the Globe and Mail, February 26th, 2002. Mona Wilson was Robert Picton's last victim, was staggering a little after Downing 4 beers in a row when two men in a car pulled up beside her on the Vancouver's Downtown East side of Hastings St. waving money and drinks. They said they wanted to party, she said. Steve, go home.

I'll be home in an hour. Steve Rex, who said he lived with Miss Wilson. For five years, told reporters. I told her not to get in, but one of the men came at me with a large cane. They didn't want me there, they just wanted her. They just wanted a cheap female. He said the men were dangling cans of beer and waving a $50.00 bill at Mona Wilson. I had a gut feeling something was up, but she was still intoxicated. Mr. Ricks watched her climb into the car.

I had a gut feeling something was up, but she was still intoxicated. Mr. Ricks watched her climb into the car, and she didn't come home in an hour that night, or ever again. She was reported missing two months later, but her name was added to the list of women who vanished from the Downtown East Side. So the phone call, my understanding the girl in the background was screaming was Mona Wilson.

I recalled Picton and said I did everything I could, but I couldn't stop it. It was a phone call with the call, a male and female screaming in the background, Picton pleading don't do it here. A final possible dying gas Analyzing the Picton phone call with screaming in the background The phone call with screaming in the background is one of the most overlooked yet damning pieces of evidence in the Picton case.

The conversation suggests a murderer was taking place while Picton was on the phone, and yet no serious effort was made to determine who the victims were or to pressure Ictin for the details from available interrogation transcripts. Ictin was never aggressively confronted with this recording or forced to account for what was happening in the background. From testimonies and transcripts, we know the following about the contents of the call.

A man and a woman were screaming in the background. Picton was heard saying don't do it here. A final possible dying grasp was repicted, later dated. Oh, I did everything I could. I couldn't stop it. The woman screaming was believed to be Mona Wilson. Picton was aware of what was happening but did not intervene. He admitted that he tried to stop it, suggesting he was present when the murder was happening. No one forced him to identify who else was present during the

murder. This audio was never properly leveraged in the interrogation or trial. Who was picked in talking to? There's some uncertainty about who Ickton was on the the phone with at the time. Gina Houston was a known close associate. Deena Taylor was another potential contact, as Picton frequently asked to speak with her before revealing any information in the interrogation.

Which I'm going to go. He said he wanted to tell who else was involved, but he needed to talk to his girlfriend first. Deena Taylor and you know, the RCMP said, hey, do you need a bathroom break? So let's possible examinations for this call. Gina Houston. She may have known about the murders as they happened. Dina Taylor. If she was on the other end, it may explain why picked and insisted on speaking to her first before talking to the police.

A third party, an unknown accomplish suggest yet another Co conspirator was actively involved in the murder. No investigator ever forced Picton to name the people screaming in the background. He was never asked who he was talking to during this call. This was a big chance to link other people involved in the act of murder, yet for some reason it was ignored. The forensic evidence of Mona Wilson found on Robert Pickton's farm was extensive and disturbing. Key findings include human

remains. Mona Wilson remains were discovered in a green garbage pail inside the slaughterhouse. Her left hand was found in a bucket and her skull, hands, and feet were located in a plastic garbage pail. DNA evidence matching Mona Wilson was found on a sex toy affixed to a barrel of a 22 caliber revolver located in Picton's trailer. Additionally, an orange plastic bag in the slaughterhouse contained evidence linked to Wilson on the mattress in a mobile home on the farm.

Picton likely operated within a hierarchy of enablers, facilitators, criminal underworld associates who trafficked vulnerable women. I believe women were being held

captive. Diana Rock's harrowing experience at Robert Picton's farm is a tragic example of brutal violence and exploitations that many women, particularly those from marginalized communities And with the Pictons case, Rock was reportedly held captive in a blacked out room on the farm where she was subjected to repeated rapes and physical abuse by multiple men for

several days. This horrific ordeal highlights the systemic failures that allowed Picton and his associates to operate with impunity for years, targeting vulnerable women and many of whom were indigenous or involved in the sex trade. Clients, possibly high paying individuals seeking experiences, violent sex acts, film, pornography or thrill killings. The Dark Mind Detective

continues to investigate. It becomes increasingly clear that the Picton tragedy represents a far more than the actions of a single deprived individual. I'm going to close with this and like I said, this case is so intense and I just don't want to fire Hosey with gore. I want you to be able to connect the dots and over time, you're going to see a pretty dark and disturbing picture.

This case does weigh heavy on my mind and my heart goes out to all the victims, families and all the people who each and every day is affected by this horrific case. And us as a society, we have to protect our most vulnerable. So I'm going to end with something I'm writing Embracing the Devil in Pictonland. People have asked me before, do

you believe in the devil? I used to think the devil was just a story, a name we gave to the dark corners of the human mind, a convenient excuse for things we don't want to admit men are capable of on their own. But after what I've seen, after what I known, I don't wonder anymore. The devil's alive and well. He doesn't come with horns and hooves, He doesn't whisper in the ears of the desperate. No, the devil is what men do when they think no one is

watching. The devil is a thing they do when they know no one will stop them. The devil was what happens in privacy, of locked doors and forgotten places, when men no longer pretend to be good. And in Pictonland, everyone gets to meet their inner devil somewhere. They're deprivedly open, grimly grinning wolves, their teeth already wet with hunger. Others walk in quiet, blending in, masking their sickness under

plate smiles. But once inside this world, once deep enough into this place where no law exists, they all become the same thing. They revel in their violence, they savor it. They make a sport of suffering, feeding on it like starving men at a feast. The weak, the forgotten, discarded. These are their playground, and in Picton land, nothing is off.

Limit some drink to drown the last shred of their consciousness before they step into those rusted shed where there, where life and death are no longer separate things. Others don't need the alcohol. Their blood runs cold enough on its own. And here, among them, like them, they do not fear shame, do not fear justice. They feel safe, because who will stop them? This is picked inland, the place where the devil doesn't exist, he thrives. Music.

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