Welcome to the Vancouver. True Crime podcast, in this episode of True Crime. Gangster stories, I talked to David V about the Metro Vancouver, shootings are going on everywhere that are out of control David provide some unique insight and experiences regarding the subject being a hardcore gangster himself and a former hit man. He speaks candidly and very openly about his thoughts and ideas in his opinions. What's going on? And I think you will find them. Interesting yourself.
He also shares and provide some insight. The differences of doing time on the west coast opposed to him doing time back east and Ontario. So without further Ado, let's get in on the episode and I appreciate you so much for listening. Have an awesome day. All right. One two, three. Think we're live. Hello David. How you doing? It's been a while since we spoke. I'm doing fine. Thank you. We, this is our second time doing this podcast.
So we thought we good to re-record it because you know, since we spoke about the all the shootings going on in Vancouver. There's been a lot more and quite a few more and, you know, and I thought, you know, maybe we can go a little deeper and kind of expand on our last conversation, but will pretty much, you know, pretty much be the same podcast so that we already recorded Or it's I appreciate you helping me out
and talking about this. Again, I appreciate you spending the time and doing that my pleasure. So as you probably know, in Vancouver Metro Vancouver, there's been a lot of shootings. A lot of yes and you know they've been happening at airports shopping malls, public places, and it's pretty concerning. And what I was saying to this off error, before we started, it is what blows me mind blows my mind is You know, back in the day the shootings happened in nightclubs or parking lots or
wild parties. Maybe two groups of guys, again, to a beef with each other, one of them has a gun and, you know, things escalate, right? Or two different gangs happen to show up at the same nightclub and they have a big shootout, right? And and so you think well, you know, P, if you know, don't go too late night night clubs, don't drink late at night and you'll be okay. However, all the shootings, especially around me have Happened at places where I take my child.
Chuck E cheese a father got shot in front of his kids taking his kids to a birthday party. You know, the sports comp the Langley Sports Complex, I had a kindergarten party there, the mall that I go to Willowbrook small, the shooting, three in the afternoon. You know, I can go on and on but they're all places where I take my children. Now, these are places or shooting so now I feel I'm as light more likely for me to be shot with my kid.
It'd taken him to a kid somewhere, where I take the kids a mole, you know, there's Chuck E cheese so you know it so that that blows my mind was that tells you you just the scenario
about who's doing the shooting. It, it's the kids to see it's to know you're taking your kids to, you know, to entertain your children, where children are being entertained in these children are carrying guns but you know that's that's that's that's my I see it, you know, I said kids are going to places where other where their Rivals are and they're shooting on there. Yeah, it's awesome.
Crazy crazy. Well, you know, one of the scenarios and we talked about this in the last podcast and I was breaking down how most of these shootings happened. So there was a, there's a gas station, you know, I live in Langley Surrey area and there's a, there's a gas station, I use that gas station more times than I can count. Out. And this happened about 2019. I just we just filled up the gas with the where they're both kids in the car. My wife was still alive.
We just left that gas station. We went somewhere. Maybe I think we actually went to the mall and then we're driving back and there's this the whole parking lots filled with cops. So of course, I check on the internet and stuff and shooting and and so a lot of these shootings do happen at gas stations and the seems like the typical scenario for Shootings as this is that the target is followed around by some, by a group of Shooters and a stolen
car, they follow them around. And if they happen to stop at a gas station, they walk up to the car pop, pop, pop, pop pop. That particular one at that gas station in Langley. It was a black Mercedes, you know, and those G wagons and eight bullet holes in the front window.
And off they go, you know, terrorizing the staff other people I could have just I've been there and so there is a definitely a reckless disregard for Public Safety and that, that scary, then the vehicle to use is usually taken somewhere and torched towards. Yep. And and yeah, this has been going on for I would say 2019, it really started a peak again and then it's been Non-Stop and then it seems to escalate, and escalate, and escalate, and getting more Brazen, more public.
And it's just, it's crazy. Yeah. It's Again you know the scenario just tells me again that the players the players know what they're doing. I mean yes it's you know it's it's Reckless but to burn to to steal the vehicle and then after the shooting tend to burn it, you know, they either it's a younger so you don't go group being told by an adult, you know, push him to do the crime or it's just some gangsters, you know, a lot of gangsters that
have done time, you know? Because it is this is a serious weakness to pull a trigger to do that. You gotta have balls. Balls. Yeah. Okay, yeah. You gotta have balls and something like that tells me, it's more than you kiss their. Yeah. I could be wrong. But yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
So yeah the scenario is like, you know, back in 2008 when there was a gang war try 2009, there was a pretty serious gang war and it seemed like the players were more established that kind of organized groups if that makes sense. Like I'm not really don't worry want to name names and stuff like that but you know you get the idea in it and it felt like you kind of knew who the players were so, and in doing some
research, it's just feels. And Is what I've, you know, digging around trying to get trying to get some understanding on this. It seems like in the last year or so there's a lot of new Crews that have come to town law them from Back East Florida. And I think what it is is that there's they you know, there is a lot higher high amount of drug sales and be see that that go you know, no one can doubt that,
right? So I what I think what's happening in a lot of these cases and I'm not a hundred percent sure it's just My speculation is that there's a lot of crew sending Crews here thinking, okay? You know, it's a place to set up shop and if we can establish a little territory or something that the money's is going to come because a drug sales and BC are enormous. So, a lot of these, there's a lot of New Comers and lot of new groups and I think I think it's just the pool.
There's almost like a power vacuum, there's not one big strong group that seems that control everything. I love these little, what's that? I would disagree with you? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I know, know, if anything if anything until it's like that Crews from coming back out here from bikies up here. The guys, from out west here are putting a stop to it. Yeah, thanks. And if anything, you'll Mobsters would use to do, we get people from the states to come and do
the hits here, right? And then the guys, from back from Canada, we go out to the states and do, they had stare, all right, you know. No, I mean, yes. It's hard to, you know, nobody knows nobody. You know what I mean? Right? So, so maybe they called, I could understand. If they hired them to come up here to do some shooting right now and then they go back to back East that I could relate to right. But for them to say hey come on and join forces with me now. No I wouldn't have right.
Yeah well that's why it's good to have someone like yourself to you know provide you know yes of some insight because as I said for me it's just It's a, I'm guessing, I'm in the dark, right? Yeah, I understand. Yeah, for sure. And and but, like, what I'm saying is that the It. See it, I don't know. It's for one, you know. So I posted. Okay. Just backing up here. I posted a homicide map on my Instagram page, of all the homicides that have taken place in about a decade.
I think the map covers from 2009 to 2012, he they don't even show the, the new ones from 20, 21 and the maps covered. You can't even see see Vancouver, so the on that map, there's about 550. Unsolved homicides.
Most of them gang shootings. Most of them unsolved and and so you know if you look at it look at it that way there it's almost like there's no stopping this this is going to continue on until there's something really radical like until the police have a very radical different approach because what they're doing obviously is not working, you know, the shooting of course the police the police investigate. Student gangsters really because they want, they want everybody
kill everybody, right? You know, good riddance and derp and their opinion. It'd do any time they will go. Investigate is this like if the civilians lives are in danger like all of a sudden that you know, the guy got a gun machine gun or something and he's on downtown Granville and he lets go of his clip. Right? Right right. Well then you're going to have to have no choice but to search this guy out.
But you know, third They're like this gang wars and they're just killing them, but obviously not gonna go out of their way, they're good. When other guys dead, that's all they. Look, there's something look at. Do you do? That's it. That's how they say it man. Good riddance. Yeah, I like how, you know, I don't know no position to argue with you in in the facts. Yeah the facts. You know I definitely support what you're claiming a in another thing. That's interesting.
This is kind of like digressing off the topic of gang shooting so I've been doing a lot of research because I'm doing a series. In the downtown Eastside.
And and so I've been, I've been talking to some various drug dealers that are, you know, have been speaking to me off the Record. But you know the inner workings of the mechanics of at running a line in the downtown Eastside, you know, the doing big numbers and stuff and and just like what you're saying is that there are agreements that are made between
the police and the drug dealers. Okay, you know what if Can if you can, if you can prove that your dope is not filled with fentanyl will kind of look the other way. And then that's these, this is the this is the the feedback that I'm getting like the cops because it looks course there's a mass of fentanyl, that's a whole nother subject. So so what you're saying it kind of you know, it feels it rings.
True from all the, from other scenarios that I've been looking at, you know, and I think God would want the job of trying to put the stop till it to like it. It's a monster. You're right. Yeah. Well, you know Z look at you again, like, hey, more, they could more these guys get killed, then it's gonna end in there, is going to stop, because everyone's gonna be dead eventually, right? Right.
Is, is this is a public outcry, if the public isn't in danger, like say I got a, like I said, I think I'll gun and then I go out like that. Downtown gravel. And I go into a restaurant. What people are eating and I start shooting. Not cable. Right? Well, the restaurants full, well, they're going to want me. They didn't want the shooter because I might do it again, and then I'm putting other the
public lives at risk. So I'm I just, you know, they're going to get me for that because I'm putting the public at risk, right? But if I'm going to, if I going to go like I say I follow the guy the gas station. I put a cap in him in the gas station and I don't like a really care that much, you know, I didn't know one's got hurt. Nobody. Hey there, gold. If you look at the few videos and see if they if they get lucky and catch you, but they're not gonna go the narrating.
Go out of the way, right out of the way to go and solve this case. There's no way, it's just not going to waste the taxpayers money. No, well, here, the evidence definitely supports that because they're not being arrested. There's not, you know, they're not ringing the men and then the shootings keep happening and happening and happening. Exactly. There's kind of just gonna let it happen. Yeah. So remember your were talking
Last podcast. So we're talking about where you wouldn't, you are in a situation where people were coming after you. And I, we talked about on the podcast, you know, the Mobsters from Buffalo and, and maybe like break that down again, when you were the hunted, like how like the, the fear, the anxiety of that situation?
Well, what it was like for you? Well, yeah, that time, like I said, I was where I was a bouncer at the gasworks then and I for, you know, I mean she When I first, when she, you know, she was being raped and for kept hostage like that I got upset. So I, you know, I did a number on the dude and I didn't pretty bad. He was in a coma, but the guy who was with him, you know, gave a whole different story at the
whole line making himself. You know, I went in there and robbed them and just a whole different story. So, these two players were from Buffalo. You guys are from Buffalo. So yeah, these guys are from Buffalo and They're here to do some business for the horse, track racist, set things up. Anyways, you know, they raped the girl and they kept her hostage for 24 hours and they
didn't pay her. So, when she got free, she came to me and she told me what happened and me and my friend went up there and we you know like the heavy number on these two guys. One guy got in a coma. So anyways now the obviously the business didn't happen and the guy that wasn't in a coma light to these guys. Guys saying that I went up there and I robbed them.
And so anyways so now these these guys are they're very upset and they're coming to kill me and the weird scoping out the girls, the asking the girls who is this day was they can do the girl's name. Her name was Linda at that time and they knew who I was and he knew Linda and they just they were quiet but they do think at any time. I'm here for 500, whatever money they were offering $1,000. These guys would have just, they would have buried me right?
My life. My life was, was just a lingering on on a, on these girls. Not taking my name. Yeah, hanging over an edge of a cliff. Yeah, yeah. So I'm at work. I tell you, man, I work, I had my friends just had a few friends there. They had brought guns and you know, kept kept it by the bar and stuff like that, just in case. Right. But you know yeah I was terrified, man. I was terrified. Thank God. This guy came out of the coma and told told the guys. What really happened?
You know, because I would I was yeah, I would have been dead in it. Yeah, it was very serious but these guys were very, very serious people and I, yeah, I was terrified. I was terrified. What advice? Because, you know a lot of these seems like the lot of the intended targets. You know they're all like eat on average during their seem to be 20s. Kid, that was 14 who got shot are getting shot because, you know, and itself is horrible. Yeah. But they tend to be in their
20s. So what advice would you if there were someone listening right now? Who could be our potential Target of a shooting? What advice would you give them? Oh, I tell them to think, you know, hey, I go, you had, if you want to survive, you want to live, if you want to live, you have to go to Voice. And you know, tell them what Tom, what's up? You know, if you're going to be a mr. Solid kid and not rat out your friends, you're gonna die.
Only way you're gonna survive is take the Canadian protection, witness act and it's the only way you're gonna survive or if you want not going to do that. Yeah. You got to get you and your family and move out of town. Man, is your only way you're gonna survive. No matter if we think you're going to just quit and Be good. Now you're still going to get you mad. So yeah. The only way to survive is go to the police and and spill your beans man.
You know, and change your way of life is the only way you're going to let man, you know. So anyway there was a kid. We assume 20 years old, this is in the last couple weeks, there's been so many shootings in the last couple weeks, it's hard even to keep track of them but this took the scenario that you were just the saying just now 20 year old kid. He said He was all out of the life. He's done. He was through, he's playing
basketball with his friends. Again in a park lots of children around lot of families around Saturday afternoon, someone comes on to the basketball court and pop some right there. That's right. Yeah, you know like like like a guy maybe the advice of he if he was still alive, was to one move. Like you said, get, get the hell out of Dodge with his family with his family. Yeah. And then or, you know, sell the police. Hey, you know what this The situation, right? Yeah, yeah.
But you know what, I think it depends how deep you're in, right? It's depends how deep your and I mean if you're in deep, if you're in deep and you want out of there man, you know what you got? You know, I mean if you're in deep, you got some brains and they that person knows what he has to do. He knows he has to go to the cops, he's got to run out his friends and he's got to change the life.
He's got a package to pack up his bag, with his family, with his family and go. Because he doesn't just no way that he could change. Like, even myself even myself man, like just because I'm a born-again Christian, and I've been clean for 11 years and I've been out of prison. Hey, I have a few enemies out there. Yes, yeah, we talked, you know, for sure. You know, I got to be on, gotta watch myself here and there to, I mean, like I'm not scared you. Come, you come there you got it.
That's you're gonna do gonna pay their price if they're gonna come for me. No. Thrice. All right. I know what I'm up against. Yes. And if they do what they're up against and if that's what they have to analyze, right? And if it's too serious for them to handle, yeah, they have to go to the police and spill the beans. And then from there, the police will either put them in the Canadian protection act. Are they'll pay him and then get their parents and get them out of Dodge. Right.
So anyway so anyway man or you're gonna die, you know because they get this code about ratting it, that's it. That's that's you know what, right? But that's the a criminal, using a word, a word to continue their terrorizing. I don't be a rat. Well, hey man, if your life in danger. Yeah, families. Like in danger. So what save yourself man? But your family there has been shootings were. It seems like families have been even if they weren't targeted, they were terrorized.
There was a shooting and this is Probably within the last few months they went to their family home and shot the kid in front of the front of his family. Yeah. And then there was another one where they went to. Again they went to the his home and this is a separate shooting and the uncle got killed being the wrong place at the wrong time. So yeah, there's different
cultures, right? Yes. You know, you got your different cultures and some cultures are just 30 days all give us, they'll kill your child will kill. Everybody is this who you're involved with right? And you know and she if you know these people are like that man, you gotta be good and you want out of there. You know what you gotta do? Yeah, especially if innocent people are gonna get hurt for decisions that you might have made, right? Yeah, man. Yeah, man.
Yeah, man, it's, it's these times, it's not like the old days, you know, all days. As you know you don't touch you don't, you don't go shoot somebody at their home with her family. Just don't do it, you didn't do that. But these days not like is different cultures different players and they used to families against you. Yes. So yeah, they'll go outside and some, and some organizations. Yeah, they all talk your family first, then go after you yeah.
For sure. It's very different, different. Different mentality whole different mentality. So you so, yeah. My heart goes out to these people that want to, if they truly want. Change. Yes. They can do it. You can do it. You can do it. Trust me. You can do it. Yeah, for sure. You want to change, you can do it. You can do it. You can do it. So I was Scottsdale Mall and Delta.
There was a shooting of a young man I believe he was 26 years old and his occupation was a correctional guard and it appears that it was a targeted shooting. Don't know why they hasn't been released any information on why he was targeted. So maybe I thought be interesting for you to break down. If you were going to go to prison and on your rap sheet, you killed a prison guard. So what would what does that
person facing? Well, you know, first of all, the guy is the guy gets, there's two scenarios if you get can. First of all, you're not going to get convicted yet, even if you're not convicted and you're going to go, you're going to go into the segregations to not going to put you into the pods right on straight into segregation, right? And you're going to be in segregation till York, okay?
If you're if you're court cases for a couple of years, wow, you're going to be in segregation for two years. No matter how long your case is your good, chances are, unless you've got a really, really high and lawyer right to to be in court, all the money to pay for this lawyer to get you out of segregation. You're going to be there for to your court case because they're not going to let you do. Not going to let you know that take the chances of you killing
in any. Any other staff again, right? That makes sense. Yeah, I don't know your it's I tell you that. That's You're killing on copper agar. Like that one of their own, they're gonna bury you, man, they're not. And you're going to be treated like shit, you're you know, you're going to want something, you gotta call Key up. Yeah, it means for the guard to come, he ain't gonna hear you. You're gonna be banging and banging to, finally, get an hour later. You'll come, what do you want?
And you tell them what you want and two hours later you'll get it, you know? Yeah, I know, know the treatment will be so terrible. Yeah, you guys, it's the worst thing you can do. Yeah, I know, she's terrible. Terrible, terrible. And then once you get convicted, then you're going to go into a maximum security supermax right? Yeah. Oh yeah, it. Did you going to go right into a supermax?
Yeah, you're going to be doing time there for a couple years and then we didn't you could work your way into a Max and you'll come down to a maximum security which would be. I can't so West hit, then he'll finally make can Aunt, and then he'll probably do 5 years in, Kent. It made me even more and then work his way into a medium-security, right, you? Oh, yeah, I know. It's a tough call. When you kill a guard man, it's
a topical. So basically, you're saying they're going to be doing hard hard time. Oh yeah. And then also to what we were saying because in this is the second time we record this podcast, it will also kind of give a like a almost like a green light to the inmates. That hey, you can treat this guy like shit. Guards are not going to care. Well no not really, I mean it doesn't work like that, you know, the inmates aren't going to mention.
It means I got a judge you on who you are right, you know your your crime, if you for that York, you're a good man. A they love you forever that you know you're a hero in her eyes but no it's the coppers that's gonna it's good. To ruin your time and they're going to give you and he not only the coppers, then you got the classification workers. You know, the people that are that you need to help get you in and out into into society again, right? They're not gonna help you at all.
They're going to all know that. You know, man, I tell you it's one of the worst has your hero to the gate to the inmates, okay? But yeah, you know, you're going to be your zero to the staff. To the classification. You're gonna make everything they can hard on you. Yeah. Letter after gonna kill one of their own you I need you know you probably killed one of their friends you know, right. Yeah. That's a good point. Probably. Oh yeah, terrible. Terrible.
Well maybe let's break down then the difference of you because you've done time on back east. Of course, you know, we broke that down and Gladiator School in the Gladiator School podcast. And then maybe even for the someone Listening who maybe has a prospect of spending time in a medium-security, prison on the west coast maybe break down, what the first day is going to be like for them? Yeah, a first date that you are coming in your brief. You say you're going into mask
we will probably walk into math. Squeak yeah you even walk in there. You're going to get your greens your you gotta go first to go see the doctor and you gotta get all checked up and all that and then You got to get all your steering on your clothing and your gear.
When you get all that first, when you come in, then you go see the doctor and then you're going to go to your cell, you know, you and then you just gonna write it out when you don't find out, when suppertime, you're going to learn about the movement. You know, when yard is and work hours, you're going to learn all that stuff and programs. But you know, You irrigate just do it. There's nothing. There's no life in there. I mean, you're you're you gotta bring yourself, it's all you got
is yourself. That's what they call that your house. That's my house, right? You know, till you got your house and, you know, just that's all you got and then you, so you're in there all day, it is.
So when so come suppertime you go to your go eat after that, you got your yard or you guys do your Wait, you know, then after that, your shower up, you, you know you want to hang out with me because sometime play some cards with the boys, then you go lock up and then the morning comes you go eat and then you got your work or you go to school or program.
And after that lunch, you got locked up, you got you count, get your lunch and then after lunch, you're going to go back to where you came from, finished finish that up too. Nighttime and comes dinner time and you got your yard or your your weight pit the or your whatever Miracle program, or maybe you had a visit or something. And that's it. Thanks over. That's your life, man. That's your life. It's yeah, it's, yeah. It's, it's not, it's not no party. Many people think it's a party.
They get there and they're mistaken. What are the pitfalls? Because he never in Gladiator school. He, we broke down. The most important thing is not 200 people, anything don't get involved and you know, things that are not your business. Look, I guess they, what would any nuances of doing time though, on the west coast from from the East back East, there's any subtle differences, or is it pretty much the same rules, apply. Pretty much, same rules, apply.
Yeah, it's pretty much the same rules, apply because you got a lot of guys from Back East doing Time Out West to right, and you A lot of guys from out, west, Going Back, East to sew it, all it all it all, balances out the same. Yeah. Pretty. But back, he's just a little more harder, right? It's different because you got different cult more cultures
back East, right? You know, because you got Toronto and Houghton Montreal and you know, so you got more black people, more tyin people, more, Greek, people you got different cultures and all of them. So now you A product clicks, right? A lot of Clicks, in fact, way out here, you got the natives, you know, the Aboriginal, and then you guys did, you know your friends, just, that's your click, you know, but back East. It's more more culture clicks, right?
Of course, you know the Italian group, you know? Yeah. The to Oriental group, so, yeah. It's a whole different whole temperament. It's like a, it's almost like a United States mentality, you know. Way more racially, divided, more culturally divided and said, yeah. So when West Coast is more Sager, it's more Blended. Yes, because it's morally. It's more laid back out here, right? That's why fine, it's morally back here and back East. It's like in work culture.
It's a different culture and and then you have to stick with your own in. Yeah, yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, I was mentioning before 2 is like that when you look at these Like, you know, Don Miss Collins Bay and and you know, even the Kingston, they like they like dungeon castles. You know, they look they look scary look intimidating and you know these prisons out here, of course I don't want it.
I don't want to go then that, you know, razor wire fencing and you know they look like you know, prison compounds but they don't have that dungeon Castle. You know, you're going to be doing time in this old old. You know, prison that's built a hundred years ago. You know, I'm sure that has a psychological Urkel toll, this the, the being in being almost entombed in stone, you know, oh, big time. Yeah. Like what Collins be? Well, I did seven. I did seven solid there.
Well, you know, I think all I seen was the sky, right? As you like, you said, your entombed and Samantha wall is, I don't know how high up and then you got your Towers. So you're not seeing nothing but the blue sky, right? That's it. And and then what's that, you know, your surroundings, you know, the yard and the You know, whatever, but that's all you're seeing. When I, when I got off the plane and when I went, I landed in math. Squeak. Oh my God, I thought I was in a camp, right?
This is fun. I was in blue jeans and I saw the mountains. Everything was fast. I was like oh boy. It was sole back, right? It compared to compared to, you know, Collins baby. It was like, I loved it. I don't ya know if that my mouth down to you is it was a great test. I can I can do. Time here. But yeah, but I was a crazy person back then, right? But you know. Yeah, two different, two different, two different Lifestyles you two different Lifestyles. Two different Lifestyles.
Yeah. Very very, very different. Very different. Well, okay, my last question for you, David asked you this before because, you know, gotten worse. Second time is but I guess I appreciate your patience. So, What advice would you give to your younger self? You can go back and talk to that 17 year old kid. What words would you have for that young man?
Kiss. I would have, you know, a lot of if I could change that, they would be happy doing in their life, accomplish that goal accomplished that goal and yeah, Forget about, forget about the fast cash and and the the parties because you know what, the you're not gonna get nowhere in life, doing this because eventually, you're going to get busted or you're going to get killed and it's it's not worth it, it's just not worth it and you're better off getting a good
life. Get out of there while you can because there's not many people I'm the only one survived out of. I don't know how many people I'm there's not many people like me alive today. Yeah, that is true that picture you gave me a long time ago. There's a big crew that Italian crew and they're all day. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna say to you that too,
is that? So when you were making a lot of money but, you know, for, you know, at some of your times when you're at your Peak and you're probably throwing around a lot of cash, Probably were generous with people, probably buying rounds of booze at the bar and gifts. I was giving away cars. Yeah.
So when you were locked up, how many of those people came and visit you, or provided you, you know, stuff for your commissary or anything, or letters, or gift cards or anything, there's only one like, there's only one that was built that the Colombian. That's why. When I got out, I went working with the bill is to Colombian the only Guy. But he had a, he had motives, right?
Aren't you had more? But generally we're saying is that, you know, all those people who thought were your friends, when you're they weren't around for you. Nobody nobody, nobody nobody nobody nobody because, you know what their, excuse their excuses, they can come around because they don't want to write, they don't want the heat, right? Because you want to be associated with you, because then they then the police will know who he is, right? So that's their excuse.
Right. But there's nobody there, there's another be nobody there and then when even if they were there on the outside you think they can go help her family's here. Here's a hundred or a thousand dollars will get that today. We put that in his account. Nobody did that right? Nobody. I like only that one person but he had an interior of motive, right? As he knew who I was, and he knew, he can make a lot of money, right? But most people that these days, you're not gonna get nothing.
You're going to do the time, everybody's going to forget. What about you? They're going to steal from you, right? If you got a girlfriend to go to take that from you. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You just lose your mind when you're in jail, you're a loser and online, and that's why I'm saying and that's it. That's lucky if you actually survive. So, if you get to do 10 years in jail, that's a better than spending, you know, six feet underground for us, your internal Turtle life, right?
Yeah. They did theirs to do when you're in prison. You might not make it out of there. That's true, you know? This is because it's crazy in there. You don't really hear. You can look at somebody the wrong way and they're going to kill you, right? Yeah, some guy baby doing pills. People are just people that had their heads cut off for peanuts. Yeah, I could tell you stories about death people getting their head decapitated throwing them down. This down.
The street. Guards heads down the strip. Wow. Oh man, I could tell you stories, it's crazy. Z it's crazy, you know, you and Josh on board, the suicide squad there. They they killed all the guards and then they broke into the PC area and killed them and that's when they killed and did killed all the guards and they killed already killed. They all took the seven says Cyanide and then they killed themselves and I was it was a sorry. Wow. Wow, there we go.
Any prison I'm talking about sometime my God, that sounds insane. Yeah. Oh yeah, I was a crazy. So yeah, no, no man, you could, you can get, oh, look what you can be a you walk in a racial War they yeah during yard and it goes a racial War, right? And you're stuck in the middle and the guys are shooting right to break it up and you're picking up a bullet for just being in the yard, right? So there's so many bad scenarios where? Oh yeah, it could be so many.
Oh yeah, your it's a hot your I'm telling you man, when you're in prison. If you're a liability better telling you you're a liability liability man. Yeah, big time. So yeah. Yeah. If you can get out of this, if you're listening to me, man, if you can get out of this and you thinking about getting out of this, get out of it. Yeah. Well your own mind was now being for your family? Yeah, get out of it. It's not worth it buddy. No sweetheart.
It's just not worth it. Yeah, a lot of great can to they can one of the shooting The woman was targeted. I don't know where really the full details? If she was a gangster's girlfriend or just in the wrong place the wrong time. However, a lot of the girlfriends, that decide to have a relationship with these guys day and be, they're getting Target getting shot themselves, you know, being at the wrong place wrong time, or, or just targeted. I can't get you, but I can get
your girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. Because, you know, My way of thinking to back then was it says his girlfriend. She knows everything. Yes, you know. Sure she does so you grab her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. She's just as bad guilty. He just my thank God. My daughter, my daughter. She learned to concealers quick from her dad, you know, because she was with this player when she found out that this guy was a big dealer. She found my God $80,000 under
her bed, one day. Yeah, and three ways you put it together. This guy. She she dropped him as hot as a troop. See you later, man. She was with him for a few years, right? And he and she took, he took good care. Spoiler, you know, clear like gold but she knew Right? She could get herself, killed him being his girlfriend. Right? And she, let she left him like that. So, she was very smart. I'm very proud of her for doing that, so that she could move. Yes, hold my daughter right now.
She's doing very well for herself. Very well for herself. We must be proud. Yeah, I'm very proud of her, but that's why I'm saying though, he's love these girls. They think they like the bad boys and they, you know, they because they got the car, they spend the money, but sweetheart, if you're listening to this and you're with a bad boy, If if hitters looking for your boyfriend and he wants to, he can't find them and he knows you. He's gonna come looking for you to wind him. Exactly.
And you torture you to find him. Yeah. That's brutal. And it has happened. It has happened. Something that you're just making up or fantasy. This this is how can many times is real talk. This is real talk. You'll kill get. It was real bad. Didn't you'll have to kill you? Well, don't let you go.
You know, so no matter who was a bad boy, and he's because he's got a nice car and he's buying buying you things, and you look, you're going to school and, you know, you it's impressive and you know, baby get out of there while you can because you might just beat dad. Yeah. It has a family too. Yeah. No. And it has happened. There's barely any of those girls that got shot, just being, you know, wrong place wrong time, or just targeted. Or they're driving their boyfriend's car.
You know what I mean? Yeah so there's that. Well David I really appreciate your time. I'm going to just do a few little edits but I'm going to post this up right away and I appreciate you having the patience to do it two times. But I like this, I like this
interview better. I think we went a little more deeper and you got to expand a lot more and stuff and I really appreciate that and I know the audience really appreciates that and there's been getting some really good reviews, people are liking what we're doing and and I'm I'm happy to do it with you, so I thank you so much David. No, my pleasure, buddy, my pleasure. All right. Well, you have a great day, we'll talk soon. Okay, buddy, take care.