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Hello and welcome to the show now at the brand new time of seven pm every Sunday. Coming up tonight, a Sydney counselor compares Australia Day to the Holocaust and claimed supporters of January twenty six might start another genocide. I'll get reaction from Warren Mundine. Liberal MP Andrew Hasty set to challenge Susan Lee for the leadership as the coalition remains at odds. LMPMP Garth Hamilton is coming up. The Prime Minister announces Australia's new ambassador to the United States.

See ya later, Kevin Rudd.

And what did Donald Trump say to offend military veterans around the world. I'll get reaction from retired Australian Army Major General Mick Ryan. But first tonight, Susan Lee's days are numbered as opposition leader. It seems increasingly likely she'll be rolled a week from Tuesday when the Liberal Party room meets.

Now.

Liberal MP Andrew Hasty has begun preparing a challenge and intends to stand for the leadership if a spill is called at that meeting.

On February third.

Though, this is hinging on whether or not Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor can demonstrate support for himself to take the role. But look, there's no doubt the time has come. Susan Lee has had a great summer. She held the Prime Minister to account after the Bondai massacre. She's been strong on radical Islam. She pushed Anthony Alberaneesi of course daily to call a royal commission and eventually he was dragged, kicking and screaming into doing so.

So how did it all fall apart? Well?

This week in Parliament has been a monumental disaster thanks to the divide over hate speech laws.

Three Nationals of course quit.

Susan Lee didn't have a choice but to accept their resignations. But where was the joint party room meeting? I mean this seriously. All could have been prevented. This would have been a real prime opportunity for the Liberal Party to take a stand, reject the hate speech laws and be the party of free speech. But that alternative government that conservative voters are crying out for is not there now. Now these laws will decide what does and does not constitute hate speech.

It's utter madness, and.

Anthony Aarbernezi has gone from having a shaker of a summer to sitting on the sidelines laughing because the pressure is off him. He sought to divide the coalition through rushed legislation, and his wedge succeeded. The coalition is split. The Nationals have said see you later. The Liberals are going solo. Susan Lee is all at sea. A new Liberal leader appears to be in the mix, and by all accounts, there's no way the coalition can rejoin under

You want Susan Lea to go, But you told Susan Lea to resign in that phone call, didn't you? Didn't you?

Andrew this, I'm not going to get into your your gossip.

What I'm talking about is well, you can deny it is this, Andrew. You can deny that you know it's true.

To dignify, Andrew, I'm not going to dignify I get into into your gossip. You want to deal in gossip, I'm.

Going to do gossip.

It's you're said to her, and you're not denying it, David Little Proud.

It's a mess, isn't it.

The coalition is split at a time when we so desperately need unity in the wake of Bondai, at a time when this country needs strong leadership, because we certainly don't have that from the Prime Minister, and we certainly don't have that from a divorced alternative government.

Now, wonder one Nation is now more.

Popular than ever so across work roads for the Liberals and Nationals. As Simon Benson writes in The Australian Today, this existential moment has now arrived.

For the Liberal Party and the Nationals.

Both are terrified by the threat of One Nation's populism, but are equally devoid.

Of a strategy to counter it.

No one appears to have asked the question, how do three competing parties on the right all survive?

The answer is they can't.

Look, that's an interesting point, because this divorce will only seek to bolster Pauling Hanson further and keep an already power hungry Anthony Albanesi power hungry even longer. So where to even start, Well, right now, there's no alternative from the Liberals. A new leader, one who is strong and conservative, is the best start they can get because moderates cannot win government, and already it seems the prospect of an Andrew Hasty or an Angus Taylor in charge is worrying labor.

But it's not as if the Liberals have good choices to make either the most extreme leader they've ever had or a bumbling shadow treasure or I wanted to lift taxes.

Well, this is straight out of the lefts playbook, isn't it. I mean the progress left.

They love to label anyone who disagrees with their point of view as extreme, when the issues at hand are actually mainstream. And Murray what was pushed by political editor Andrew Cleanel on what exactly he meant?

Why are you calling Andrew Hasty extreme?

He has started and tried to lead this debate within the Liberal Party to follow one Nation to the right on matters like migration and other things as well. I mean, if people are looking for one nation policies, they'll vote for one nation. They don't need a one nation pretender in disguise in the form of Andrew Hasty, A.

One nation pretender in disguise. Why because Andrew Hasty supports migration cuts, is worried about social cohesion, is worried about radical Islam and how we counter that? Again, all very mainstream views are nothing big and bad or scary about it?

And Murray, what didn't stop there?

So is mister Hasty extreme? I mean you've called him mix stre what's extreme about it? I mean a lot of people would like to see this migration.

And that's exactly what our government has done. Our government has brought down net overseas migration.

But what's extreme about Andrew Hasty? Can you just qualify this statement?

I mean everyone understands that our migration level needed to come down in Australia and that's what the government has done, but we haven't done it in a way that demonized as migrants. I mean remember Andrew's Hasty's comments about being strangers in our own country, the sort of comments that we've seen from far right elements in the UK.

Well, the comments strangers in our own country were actually echoed only last year by this UK leader.

Now in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that these rules become even more important without them we were becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together, is Murray?

What's suggesting Keir Starmer, one of the most woke left socialist leaders in the world and that Britain has ever seen, is part of the far right element in which he refers to please. When I watch the vision of two gunmen allegedly committing murder in the name of jihad in Bondai, I too felt like a stranger in my own country. News flash, Murray, it doesn't make me extreme or far right, though I wonder where my statements would sit in the eyes of the law under Labour's new.

Hate speech laws. But I digress.

But these terms extreme and far right are part of the left's manifesto. I mean, Labor doesn't want to address these issues that you're worried about, the ones that the next conservative leader needs to. The majority of ossies want immigration cuts and better checks and balances. Just seventeen percent believes social cohesion in Australia is high, thirty six percent

WO has seen them adopt one nation policies and shift to the right. And the problem here is that what that is doing is legitimizing the hard right policies that One Nation advocate for. You can't fight one nation by being a lighter version of them.

Given that one Nation is on the rise and is more popular than ever, does he seriously think that's an insult? I mean he clearly has not grasped the mood of the nation. Pauline Hansen is a big winner of the summer more and more Ozzi is a resonating with her and her policies. At that the Albaneze was then asked whether he would start treating One Nation as the real opposition.

What we point out, David, and will continue to do so, is the damage that one nation policies would due to our national unity. That the politics of just identifying grievance and not coming up with solutions is a cul de sac that doesn't lead the country anywhere.

Well, Labour's going to have to come up with something better than that. In the latest News poll, the Liberals at a national level are now in third place. That's a minor party status. But One Nation has recorded a historically high level of support at twenty two percent in their primary vote. Now, look, I don't care about the internal politics of the Liberal Party, but I do care about this country, where it's heading and what it means for future generations and who will leader it.

And as I said, moderates can't win government.

Our future hinges on a strong opposition to take Australia forward with guts. None of this wishy washy half in, half out, don't know what we.

Stand for and where we are nonsense.

The Moderates or the tills really of the Liberals have a lot to answer for. But what a blight on conservative politics to have the right split and what a shame.

For Conservative voters.

And I do hope with a new leader the Liberal Party can get back to its roots that Robert Menzie has made a mandate of and they can't govern without the Nationals.

So for the sake of this country, get a move on.

Well, it's one of my favorite days of the year tomorrow, Australia Day.

And there's nothing like an Aussie Day.

Barbie flags flying, really showing off your pride. And for me, I'm really grateful that my grandparents migrated here from Italy after World War II for a better life. And look, there is so much to be proud of in this country. How lucky we are that we get to wake up tomorrow in a country, not in a war zone, not in the Third World.

But in a free country. I mean, we're not out.

There protesting in the streets like they are in Iran, for example, where they're fighting for freedom, because we enjoy our freedoms. But I will say it does feel different this year. We are more divided than ever after more than two years of fracturing social cohesion, anti Semitic attacks, flags of terror groups being waived, and you know the list, and of course it culminated in the biggest terror attack

But this is why, more.

Than ever we need to unite and show our pride in Australia. The time is now to stand up for our values, to stand up for this country, to stand up for Australians, to put Australians first and reclaim our national day.

And I'm not alone in saying this.

New polling out on the eve reveals an overwhelming majority of voters say they are proud to be Australian and want a national day to celebrate our country.

Seven out of ten.

Voters back keeping Australia Day on January twenty six. Eighty seven percent believe it's important that there be an annual date to celebrate Eighty eight percent said that they were proud to be Australian, and the data also reveals that being truly Australian is now defined by character and contribution rather than birthright. That's seventy four percent who are prioritizing respect for national values over citizenship. And despite the majority

But have a look at this. According to Western Sydney Independent Cumberland councilor Ahmed UF, Australia Day is like the Holocaust.

The Australian Holocaust began on twenty six of January seventeen eighty eight. At that time, Australia was home to around one million Aboriginal people. These were stable societies that lived for tens of thousands of years. What followed was catastrophic massacres, genocide, forced removals, ethnic cleansing, introduced disease, the destruction of land, food systems, families and culture.

Yeah, I forget Rhodes rates and rubbish.

If local councils aren't preaching genocide, then goodness me, what else will they have to do to fill up their.

Day on the taxpayer dime?

And if you look closely in that video, he's actually standing on a patch of grass in a park that that clearly needs some help.

But Ahmed has other priorities.

This is the man who's meant to represent fifty thousand people in the council.

Australia's Holocaust began on twenty six of January seventeen eighty eight with invasion, ethnic cleansing, genocide, This possession and the systematic killing of Abbud, regional and Totis treat islander peoples. If you truly care about the victims of Bondai, if the mass killings of Palacinians over the past two years has moved you, and if the suffering of the Ukrainian people has shaken you, then stand with us this Monday.

This is not a day to celebrate.

It's a day to acknowledge truth, to mourn injustice and demand change.

Now, this is not just offensive to every day Ausies who love the country and respect our values, but it's deeply offensive to Jews to even bring up Bondai and make a comparison to the Holocaust.

He mentions Ukraine and Palestine.

What does that have to do with the lives of indigenous Australians. But let's not forget three of the victims of the Bondai attack that he seems adamant to bring up were from Ukraine and came to this great country.

Of ours for a better life.

Heroes Boris and Sophia German who were gunned down trying to stop the Bondai gunman Sajitakram were Ukrainian immigrants, and Alex klaytonan a Holocaust survivor, migrated to Australia from Ukraine. Yet this is the hateful and divisive rhetoric from an elected councilor. And what bothers me the most is that Ahmed is an immigrant from Egypt. He was welcomed here with open arms to a better country for a better life.

And it gets.

Worse, and actually people who are pushing heart for the twenty six to become the day. I have my doubts and I have my concerns about them. Living amongst them is something that doesn't bring any peace or comfort to me. Because if you're out of key with celebrating the beginning of a genocide, maybe one day, when you have the chance, you might start another genocide. I'd be afraid.

Unbelievable.

Now, what I would say to Armaduf is if you don't like how our national Day is celebrated and you're not proud of our national Day, then one, why are you representing your local council in this country? Why run at all? And two if you don't like our national Day or you have a problem with the way we celebrate in this country, leave why are you here? And by the way, Armeduf was endorsed by the Muslim vote

That's Labor MP Jason Clare's seat. So make of that what you will.

But it is always at this time of year, isn't it, when the self loathing starts.

We shouldn't be ashamed of our nation. We are prosperous. We are the land of opportunity.

So this Australia Day, I want to say thank you to the heroes of Bondi, the everyday Assis who put their lives on the line to save others, and to those Aussies who couldn't be saved. Thank you to our emergency servicemen and women. Thank you to those who fight for this country and continue to do so. If you're a migrant and have been lucky enough to be welcomed into this country with open arms like my family.

Was, show your pride.

You'll never get it as good as this. Consider yourself lucky. Labour won't bring us together. They've proven that, so it's up to all of us to unite in this great Australia of ours.

I am, you are, we are Australian.

Joining me now is LMPMP Garth, Hamilton Garth.

Good to have you on. Thank you so much for joining me.

A lot to get through, but firstly, Susan Lee's days are numbered.

Well. For all the reasons you outlined at the start of the program, I don't think things can continue. We have to draw things to a head. Our job is to hold this government to account and as you've rightly pointed out across this summer, we've needed to do that after the events at Bondi. But we should be talking about the largest blowout in my EFO history, forty seven point eight bills in dollar budget blowout under this treasurer, and that should be the focus of our conversation right now.

It's not, and we need to.

Address that right so Andrew Hasty or Angus Taylor.

Well, look, there hasn't been a spill called, and I'm not faced with that question just yet. What I would say these are both two men that I greatly respect, and they've worked very closely with both of them. Angus has been I think one of the greatest economic minds we have in the party. And Andrews stood right beside me during the net zero debate all the way through leaving the way. So these are two very good people. I hope they can work together, and I think a lot of people do too.

So you're not going to back or one or the other.

Well, I'm not in that position yet, but when i am, I'll come and see it.

All Right, Well, look, let's talk about this coalition split.

Let me ask you this, what a different leader potentially bring back the coalition.

Look, I think it's a very important conversation we need to have with the National Party. I think they probably have straight across the line in terms of what's acceptable between two coalition partners. I certainly don't want to be having a conversation about the National Party leadership, and I don't think they should be having a conversation about ours But that said, there's no policy disputes between the two parties right now. In fact, there is nothing separating us

Well, But just on the matter of leadership, then how do you think David Little Proud has handled this? Because a lot of blame has been laid at the feet of Susan Lee, But is he too at fault here?

Look, I think the right approach would be to give an element of grace to both Susan and David on this issue. This has been poorly handled by the government. Our reaction wasn't perfect either. I think the appropriate time now would be for a little bit of cool heads to take part. I think David knows that as well.

Should there have been a joint party room meeting, would that have prevented this whole saga from the beginning?

Absolutely?

All right, Well that's the question, straight answer. Absolutely.

Yeah, It's been a shambolic week, but there's absolutely no doubt And I do want to ask you about these hate speech laws.

You have been furiously against.

It, but alas they've passed. Here was Labour's Murray Watt on this this morning.

Have a listen.

It's not about cracking down on free speech. It's not about cracking down on people expressing a view. You know, we treasure a free speech and democracy in this country about it. We don't want to stop that right.

So he says that Labor treasures free speech. But now in the eyes of the law, what could be deemed hate speech or not is up to you know, a bureaucrat.

But the Libs folded on this. I mean that's the problem here, Garth.

How can the party claim to be champions of free speech when they buckled.

Well, let's be very clear.

The section that I was arguing against, the Liberal Party was are against was eighty point two BF. This was the section on hate speech. This is what had ridiculous subjective measures that would have allowed anyone to claim hate speech was being used against them for almost any reason. That was removed move because of the fight that Australia and the Liberal Party and the National Party led and

Yeah, I mean, I just think it's really concerning because now it's up to the eyes of the law to decide. You know what, Mum and dad sitting at home if they post something on social media, well, they could be hold in front of a court. I could be hold in front of a court. We all could be you know, and that that is the most concerning.

Part of this. So look, let's just see what happens. But I really worry that we're going down the path of the UK now where people have been arrested over there for saying something that the government doesn't like.

It's like blasphemy by self. I want to ask you about this. The Prime Minister has announced Defense Department Secretary Greg Moriarty will a place former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd as Australia's ambassador to the US. What do you make of that appointment, Garth, look.

I wish mister Moriarty will. He seems to have the support of both sides of politics. I do want to say, though, I am sorry that my mate Joel fitz Given didn't get the role. I think Joel is one of the few Labor ex member Labor members who are a genuine statesman, and I think he's a good guy and I think he would have done very well in that role too. I hope the government considers him for future appointments.

Well, let's be honest, I think anyone is better than Kevin Rudd in that role. Garth Hamilton, we can't beat around the bush there. Good to have you on as always. Thank you so much for joining me. Appreciate it. Well let's move on now joining me is my panel former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott and New South Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahalic hiding both of you having a year. Good to have you back on this year. Thank you for joining me.

Look, we've got to start with the Liberal leadership and Garth Hamilton was keeping his cars very close to his chest there.

But it seems all but over, David. Now for Susan Lee. Who's the next leader in your view?

Well, I think Andrew Hasey probably has the runs on the board. I mean certainly the last time the numbers were tested, which was just after the federal election, there were three in it and those three people have now left the Parliament and replaced by people that would probably vote against Susan Lee. So they'll now work out between the Conservative factions will work out who they're going to have back, and then the moderates will work out who

Well, I just wonder, I mean, he was so strong some of that speech that he gave at BONDI I think was absolutely he knowed he captured the mood of the nation when the Prime Minister clearly is not. I mean we just heard from the Prime Minister on the ABC this morning. He's still this divisive language that he uses.

A Murray what's saying, Oh, Andrew Hasty.

Is extreme extreme what because he talks about migration. I mean again, you can see where Labor is going with this. If there's a new leader.

Oh of course.

Look, they're going to go back to their base, and their base of the left is obviously going to be worried about having a solid right.

Wing leader in the liver Pol party.

Look I have you.

I actually think Angus Taylor might be the better approach now. I think Andrew Hasty is an excellent choice for down the track and a potential prime minister down the track. I actually think they need Taylor now for a bit of a safe pair of hands and to sort of get the party back together a bit of experience there

And their enemy isn't actually one nation. Their enemy is the Labor Party with his Liberal Party.

To remember that, because that's what the mum and dad's out there in Western Sydney, you know, the farmers out in regional Australia and putting out there wants the Liberal Party to remain focused on the true enemy of the day and that is a labor left government, which we're at the moment stuck with absolutely.

And you know, with all this internal fighting or this internal bickering, Anthony Albernez, he is sitting.

There his company, he's this is this is the winner. This is the winner. But let's talk about this coalition split. I mean, right now, if you're a conservative voter in this country, you're tearing your hair out. The right of this country is split right now. I mean where do they go from here?

Well, split three ways. You've got one nation, the Liberal Party and the National Party and then of course there's the Preferrer out there that just can't find themselves a home.

That's actually a really good point, but I mean one nation. The rise that they've had has been that, I've got to say, quite phenomenal. And I've got to ask you, because obviously, Tanya, you were one Nation MP in this state, why do you think that there has been such a rise in the party's popularity.

Look, it's just void of leadership the Liberal Party at the moment.

That's that's all it is.

And I think once that's rectified, I think the vote will come back away from one Nation.

I really do believe that.

I think if the Liberal Party could take a leaf out of John Howard's book, and we're going up.

To thirty years since.

John Howard was elected Iniston, there'll be book launched shortly.

I think it's called the Howard Diaries, and I.

Think the Liberal Party to go and get some advice from John Howard and people John Howard, Tony Abbott and others that understood the mum and dads out there that understood that it was about lowering taxes, about dealing with cost of living issues, understanding that people aspirational want to buy a home one day, getting back.

To the basics, and not being afraid to call out the issues of migration.

For example, and the issues around energy. It's okay to say that you don't agree with net zero. If the liberal parties can liber party and the Nationals can unite and focus back on this issue, I think you'll find that that vote, that high vote, the moment for the one nation will dissipate.

There ish I have to say, David, isn't just policy.

There issue is governance too. They're not able to actually form an alternative government. I know people are saying this, it is impossible for one nation to form an alternative government. And for that reason we need everybody's thinking about voting for one nation to realize if you really want to stop Alban Easy from being Prime minister, you need to get back voting for the coalition. The same time, the coalition can't take for granted that vote and understand they've got.

To get the right leader, in the right policy.

Absolutely and get back to that genuine conservatism, as I said, conservative voters need because there isn't a genuine alternative that's right.

And we have forgotten the forgotten people, yes, and that's what we were based on. We have forgotten the forgotten people. And goes back to the Mensi's era when we had the forgotten people. We have forgotten the forgotten people.

Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. Now, look that the Prime minister's vanity knows no bounds. But as we said, he's power hungry at the moment because he can. He hopes to be remembered, would you believe for anti racism and has even urged future biographers to track this through quote his political engagement from the time I was a student. He said, so memo to all biographers. That is his legacy. I mean, David, I'm not sure where he got that from.

Has he not been in the country for the last two years with anti semitism running.

Rampant, absolutely fascinating. I mean, it's like Paul Keating say he wants to be remembered as the employment prime minister learning. I can't believe that he thinks that people don't remember history because you just have to.

I mean, he's.

Accusing Andrew Hasty of being an extremist war He better hope that the Liberal Party dirt unit doesn't go to his use and doesn't go to the campaigns that he was prominent in. And anybody that says in the last two years that there hasn't been racism running rampant in this country, has been smoking the stuff of the Greens on.

A legal life exactly.

Face has been rampant with racism and in every sense of the word, both on the street, in the media, in the ABC, in the Parliament. And I mean I think he's probably it's like one of those criminals who try to blame everybody else for the things that they did.

Exactly. It's always someone else for almost our time, Tanya. But I mean, how ridiculous.

Well actions speak loud on the words.

Yes, So it's actually useless in telling people that he's anti racist when people can see his lack of action straight after Bond, the fact that in fact Premier Chris Means did more in Parliament and batically and swiftly did more in terms of being a leader in Australia then than Prime Minister.

So that's it.

I think that he should actually look at former prime ministers himself, Bob Hawk being one.

He never had to tell people what to be remembered as.

No, no, because it was very obvious.

Yes.

The value is what you stand for when your character speaks for itself exactly.

And let's not forget as you allerned to we've showed the vision on the screen as you were saying at the pro Palestine rallies that he addressed back in two thousands. So yes, evidence speaks for itself. But yeah, memo to.

Biographers David Ellen, good to have you back on the Thank you very much for joining me.

Coming up after the break, I'll get Warren Mundine's reaction to that Sydney counselor who compared Australia Day to the Holocaust as police prepare for a merging of pro Palestine and Invasion Day rallies.

Gee, the Left can't help themselves, can they. That's next.

Welcome back joining me now is indigenous leader and businessman Warren Mundane. Warren, thank you very much, good to have you back on the show. I want to start with that Sydney counselor ameda of who I spoke about earlier at him comparing Australia Day to the Holocaust. This is just a reminder have a listen.

And actually people who are pushing hard for the twenty six to become the day, I have my doubts and I have my concerns about them. Living amongst them is something that doesn't bring any peace or comfort to me, because if you're are okay with celebrating the beginning of a genocide, maybe one day, when you have the chance, you might start another genocide. I'd be afraid.

Warren, what's your response to that.

That is the most idiotic and disgraceful comment I have ever heard. This idea that you have the genocide and that and that, and if you that we're looking for another future genocide. It's just absolutely ridiculous and has not studied history and has not studied what we have achieved in this country in the last fifty years. This country is the most welcoming country of all people.

In the world.

We've got all the different races, all the different faiths, we've got atheists, we've got everyone in this country who are building a beautiful, great country and moving forward into the future.

This is a continuation of this division, this hatred, this attack on our social cohesion, and that Australia Day is about us. It's about us, us Australians. It's about us and how we.

We're working together to make it's a better place. Millions of people want to come to this country and be part of this.

Incredible journey that we're on and incredible opportunities that are happening in this country. And it's about time that people who stopped doing all this stuff and actually bring us together and stop trying to divide.

Us absolutely, and you know, even just to make that comparison to the Holocaust. I just think, I mean, it's all very deeply offensive to Australians, but to Jews in particular at this time. I just think those comments were utterly, utterly appalling. A big day tomorrow, of course, Australia Day, I think one of the best on the calendar. But New South Wales are prepared, police are preparing for not only Invasion Day rallies, but they're saying that the pro Palestine group.

They're going to do this big merge.

Well, I don't know what Palestine has to do with Aboriginal issues. Firstly, Warren, but what are the left always hijack protests?

Hi, Look that these are people who hate this country.

These are people.

Who you know, just just really I get very angry about Aboriginal people get very angry about you know, the arrangement was tomorrow. We yes, we can have people who would have a day of morning about the historical stuff, and then we get on with the day of actually celebrating Australia, celebrating what we are and Bluddy, what the hell?

With fifteen people, fifteen innocent people lost their lives, and we've had synagogues attack, We've had division and social cohesion threats within this country, and yet these people just.

Want to continue on with their selfishness and with their hatred.

I'm getting very sick and tired of in Australian public is getting sick and tired of. You just seen in the recent polding in regard to how the vast majority of Australians and even young Australians something like eighty seven percent of young Australians want to sell up rate Australia and are proud to be Australians. So I want these people to wake up themselves and actually start working to bring people together rather than dividing us.

Absolutely It's fascinating that gen Z the majority of them now as support the day support being Australian. There's been a huge shift and I actually think that BONDI has had a lot to do with that. I think people are thinking about what it means to be and I was in this country.

I'm going to ask you about the ABC.

Wara and it's defended this new show. It's called Always Was Tonight. It's been hosted by Tony Armstrong.

Have a look at it.

By the way, did you know that no member of the first fleet was recorded as having been infected by smallpox?

Makes you wonder how did the locals get infected.

By it in the first place, unless, as some experts have argued, it was deliberately introduced to decimate a population who corn Us have described as primitive and barbaric, which would have been a deliberate use of biological warfare to a genocide.

But talking about that ruin your barbecue.

Warren, We're almost out of time, but I've got to get your reaction to this.

That is another disgrace or comment he's got. You know, here we are again trying to build this country and bring people together, and here he is out there, you know, making allegations that people the first Fleet count first come to this country and started by biological warfare into kill and wipe out Aboriginal people, and we that is just us up nonsense and we've got to start getting back, especially at this time when people who suffered under the

Let's get us together.

ABC, do your bloody job and actually bring Australians together.

I mean it's it's unbelievable and they're not making a good case for themselves, are they. Warren Mundane, Happy Australia Day for tomorrow. Thank you so much for joining me on this show. Really appreciate it. We're coming up after the break. The PM says sorry to Jews for not protecting Bondi victims from evil. I'll catch up with Joel Bernie. Plus Donald Trump offends soldiers around the world. I'll tell you what he said next. Well, welcome back. Joining me

Here he was on Thursday night. Have a listen.

Tragically, we are gathered here tonight because on the fourteenth of December everything changed and for that, I am sorry. I am deeply and profoundly sorry that we could not protect your love once from this evil.

Joel, do you accept that, well, thank you so much for having me, Danika, And yes, I think I am the Jewish community and those in the audience do accept that. It may have taken a little bit longer to get that emotional response from the Prime Minister to want to equivocally apologize for you, what was the largest terror attack in Australia's history, but it was an incremental increase of an explosion of anti Semitism over a two year period

Yeah, look, I mean, especially after more than two years and he's was dragged kicking and screaming to a Royal commission.

So I got there eventually.

But look, anti Semitism has obviously not gone away, and this is the problem. I was quite disturbed to read in the Daily Telegraph today about incidents in New South Wales school. There was one mother who recounted her daughter's harrow we experience of being told to burn in a gas chamber. Another said that her son was harassed by a classmate in sixth grade who called him genocide Jid and was then followed with cheers for Palestine around the school.

Joel, We've got school.

Children about to start term one in the next week or so. How is the Jewish community feeling about this? Especially after Bondi.

Well Denika, after Bondi, and after the explosion of anti Semitism in two years. Of course, I'm not surprised by hearing such things, and as terrible as it is to think that innocent school children are subjected to vile anti semitism and jee hatred in the schools, it doesn't surprise me.

Joe, we're almost out of time, but I just want to quickly get your opinions on the hate speech laws which passed this week. The Prime Minister's still, you know, shuddering at the word of radical Islam. His solution is a is a gun buyback scheme and hate speech laws.

Where do you sit on what's past?

I'll be as quick and brief as I can. The hate speech laws are contentious. I get that, but that the vilification stuff was dropped out of the bill that was ultimately passed, and so what was passed the migration changes the hate groups and more aggravated penalties for hate preachers. We as a Jewish community think that that's a step

Think the coalition would have liked a little bit more a time as well. John Bernie, it's nice to have you on this year. Thanks so much for joining me on the show. Really appreciate it. Well, let's return now to Australia's new ambassador to the United States Defense Sectionary Greg Moriarty. He will of course replace Kevin run and I know it is certainly about time. Joining me now his former Australian Major General Mick Ryan. Good to have

Key priorities be because there's been a lot of talk about ORCUST and about our defense ties. What needs to happen now?

Yeah, get Identica and thanks for having me. I think Greg is a very good selection as ambassador. I've had the opportunity to work with him in the past. He has a background in the Army Reserve, in defense and intelligence. He's been an ambassador a couple of times before in countries like Iran in Indonesia which are demanding. He's been part of UCAST since day one and participated in all the OSMON meetings. So I think he's a fine choice and he'll do a pretty good job in that appointment.

And just on that then his priorities, I mean, how do we solidify the alliance, especially when it comes to defense.

Well, I think the alliance actually using not bad shape if you compare America's relationship with Europe and other countries. Australia's escaped relatively abuse free, if I can use that term. And if you have a look at the new national Defense strategy that the Americans published, we won't mention at all, which is probably not a bad thing at least according to this government.

Let's move on.

I want to ask you about the US President Donald Trump, who's offended war veterans across the world. He said that Allied troops stayed a little back from frighting alongside American soldiers in the war in Afghanistan.

He questioned the.

NATO pack and really, I guess belittled almost the contribution of Allied forces. What did you make of those comments?

They were repulsive comments made by someone who has never served and avoided serving his country. They were ignorant in the extreme, and they were wrong. The Brits, in particular, lost over four hundred soldiers killed and thousands more wounded, the Canadian nearly one hundred and fifty. Australia and Denmark both lost over forty killed in action and hundreds more wounded. They were not shying from the fight. They were there mainly because America asked us to help them in their

Yeah, it certainly hasn't gone down well in the UK.

But even here I'm in former soldier Andrew Hasty, the Liberal MP, He's reacted angrily as well. And yes, Donald Trump's tried to walk it back, but it hasn't gone down well. But I just want to ask you about Donald Trump because.

You recall, you know, he wanted to take over Greenland.

This was his big plot, and he said he would impose tariffs on countries who didn't back him.

He then goes to Davos on.

Thursday and declares, no, actually, we've found framework, we're going to work for peace.

We're not going to take over Greenland.

We're not going to impose those tariffs on February one. But what was he trying to achieve here? Was he trying to call NATO leaders bluff?

In your view, it's hard to predict what he's trying to achieve. He's consistently inconsistent American doesn't need to own Greenland that had twenty bases there during the Cold War. Denmark 's seed that can pretty much do what it wants for the security of the American homeland as well as sea and air routes across the Atlantic. I think this was just a case of Donald Trump wanting to secure his place in history as gaining the largest addition

Yeah, look, it's been fascinating to see how the world's respond to that. Everybody was on edge when he said I'm going to take Greenland, I may even invade, and then suddenly go to Davos at the World Economic Forum and all is good again. Mick Ryan, we've got to leave it there. Good to have you back on the show again this year. Thank you so much for your time. Well, coming up after the break, mine new segment Denik has done of the Week. Who's got a cop it? On

I had trouble nailing it down to one.

You may be thinking it's going to be Anthony Albanesi, but let's be realistic. Anthony Albanesi is a dud on the daily as well as the rest of labor. So I thought, I won't go with Anthony ALBERESI for my dud.

But I'll give you a hint. I'm going to go overseas.

So first I'm going to make a special mention to Brooklyn Beckham, who of course went nuclear on his own family this week when he posted that tirade on social media accusing his family of putting brand Beckham first trying to ruin his marriage to Nicola Peltz, even when as far as to suggest that his own mother danced inappropriately on him at his own wedding. You know, when I first read that, I thought, what is he suggesting? Is he suggesting his own mother gave him some sort of

Same Harry who who spent.

The past five years making his own families.

Life a misery through that interview with.

Oprah a tell All book, the Netflix series, the series of interviews that follows him in the list goes on. So he's suing the papers because he wants privacy. But what qualifies as privacy in his eyes? What is a threshold Harry? Because it seems as though the Duke of Privacy has cashed in on his own privacy won too many times over the years. Now that to me is the true definition of her hypocrisy. So there you go, Prince Harry done of the week number one. Stay tuned