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Danica De Giorgio | 11 July

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A Gazan woman on a visa is taken into detention after a security risk ruling, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against the Queensland CFMEU. Plus, Kevin Rudd and Donald Trump's secretive meeting.

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Speaker 1

Live on Skyn's Australia. This is to Nika di Georgio.

Speaker 2

Hello and welcome to the program coming up tonight.

Speaker 3

Finally some action as a Gazen woman on a visa is taken into detention after a security risk ruling. Right on cue, the usual mob were out to protest this perceived injustice, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against the Queensland CFMU. So what on earth was the previous Queensland labor government doing dolling out thousands for their legal defense?

Speaker 2

The former Union.

Speaker 3

Watchdog will try to provide answers and oh to be a fly on the wall at Kevin Rudd and Donald Trump's secretive meeting.

Speaker 2

So what do we actually know. I'll get to that in just a moment. But first tonight we knew it would happen, and it has.

Speaker 3

Labour's headed out thousands of visas to Gazans, largely unchecked, and it has backfired. It could now be about to face a test of its willingness to make tough decisions to protect our national security and our values. A sixty one year old woman from Gaza has been detained following a pre dawn raid on her Bankstown home in Sydney's southwest after she was deemed a security risk by ASIO.

The Daily Telegraph is reporting Maha al Masri was taken to Villawood Immigration Detention Center yesterday and that she was here on a bridging visa, which was canceled as she had failed the visa's character test. A Department of Home Affairs letter seen by The Daily Telegraph states that it was provided with an adverse security assessment by ASIO, which said the agency assessed Miss al Masri to be directly or indirectly.

Speaker 2

A risk to security.

Speaker 3

The document said, taking into account the above information, miss our Mystery does not.

Speaker 2

Pass the character test and look.

Speaker 3

At the same time, her family and supporters, including children Dan, protested outside the office of Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. One person was even seen to be wearing a T shirt bearing that hideous chant that seems to have been imported into the country since Glastonbury of death to the IDF as they protested her innocence.

Speaker 4

Their refugees to Gaza. They were from the Abbasia, which is an area next to occupied Pelviv. They were a pack there by the Zionist Jewish extremists and were forced to flee to Gaza. The extremists haven't finished their genocide as they contindered in twenty three, so she became a refuge again to Australia.

Speaker 3

Look, I'm not sure what good they think they're doing to her cause there now. The reasons for her detention are not known, but Asio does not make these decisions lightly. We do not know if she was part of the three thousand Gazans who were handed visa by visas by Labor last year with little to know security checks, and the Prime Minister would not provide those details today.

Speaker 2

So we had a brief on the.

Speaker 5

Actually of rest of Sydney with the sixty one year old Palestinian women, Basturi visas canceled.

Speaker 6

And one threat sheet post yes I had.

Speaker 7

Version no because we don't talk about national security issues and briefing.

Speaker 2

She evenly denies that she's a threat to You have anyone to add to that none.

Speaker 3

Now, putting this case aside, Labor has a lot of questions to answer about the types of people it has let into this country. There was always going to be problems with handing out visas to people from war zones. When Labor gave visas to three thousand gardens and cut corners with little to no vetting. It imported a huge security risk into our country. Almost three and four Palestinians believe the October seven attack by Hamas on Israel was correct.

Speaker 2

Seventy two percent backed.

Speaker 3

Hamasa's rampage where twelve hundred Jews were murdered and raped and hundreds were taken hostage. But Labour still put our national security at risk, no doubt, to try and pick up Muslim votes at the federal election. So much so Tony Burke previously said he would not send anyone back to Gaza.

Speaker 2

Well, Minister, toughen up and start making some tough decisions.

Speaker 3

We can sympathize with innocent civilians caught up in the Middle East conflict, absolutely, but in the end we have to protect our own country, we have to protect our national security and.

Speaker 2

We have to protect our values.

Speaker 3

We have not done that since October seven, twenty twenty three, and what's happened since Jewish Australians have been targeted day in.

Speaker 2

Day out.

Speaker 3

Our streets have been hijacked by anti Israel protesters. Hate preachers have openly celebrated the murders of Jews. And flags of terror groups have been so brazenly flown. What has happened to this country? If people are brought here with open arms, who pose a threat to us, they do not deserve to be here. Labor has the powers under the Migration Act allready send them home. How much longer can Labor keep up its renewables only facad Major renewables

projects are crumbling day by day. The sector is plagued by delays and cancelations. Our bills, as we know, are going up, and it's causing irreparable self harm via an experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines, green hydrogen, solo farms and batteries, all with environmental consequences and all costing US a bomb. And now the renewables only experiment has

hit yet another hurdle. Almost every large solar farm in the Southeastern States will be forced to switch off at least one third of the power they generate by twenty twenty seven as delays to critical energy transition projects cause

major bottlenecks on the electricity grid. Now, that's according to a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator, which also reveals that the slow rollout of key poles and wire projects in Victoria will severely limit the amount of power big renewables projects can produce to replace Australia's soon to be shuttered coal plants. And it means what we already knew, our race to renewables is happening back to front.

We are shutting down coal plants with no plan B for energy and generation to keep the lights on in this country. Australia needs ten thousand kilometers of high voltage transmission lines by twenty fifty as part of Labour's renewables transition, but the project is so far behind only half of it will be delivered in the next decade.

Speaker 2

And look, the cost will.

Speaker 3

Inevitably, as we've been warned, be passed on to us as consumers, on top of every other energy increase under Labor.

Speaker 8

The problem is that Chris Bowenes made a complete mess of our electricity transition. Everywhere you look, it's a mess. And the one thing that he doesn't want to answer is what is the cost?

Speaker 3

Well, if we want to look at the costs, what we do know is our bills are skyrocketing. From July one, we copped a ten percent increase and if you're with Snowy Hydro's Red energy and electricity retailer owned by the federal government. It has just jacked up prices across the country by fifteen percent in New South Wales, adding an average of three hundred and thirty dollars to annual bills, three point eight percent in Victoria, and if you're in Queensland it's at five point four percent.

Speaker 2

But it's okay.

Speaker 3

Apparently you and I are, of course helping to pay for each other's bills under this government.

Speaker 1

Check your power bill, Check your power bill. Check your power bill, Check your power bil check your power bill. We're taking one hundred and.

Speaker 3

Fifty Well, whatever happened to two hundred and seventy five dollars? And where is the Minister in charge of the mess, Chris Goland?

Speaker 2

Where is he?

Speaker 3

Well, he's touring the Pacific to reinforce Labour's commitment to climate action and progress discussions on our bid to host Climate Change Conference COP thirty one in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2

That's terrific. That'll solve all of the problems.

Speaker 3

Well, we finally have details about a meeting Kevin Rudd had with Donald Trump in January. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trades, says Ambassattor. Rudd met President Trump in the dining room of the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, on January eleven, twenty twenty five. Defat was responding there to questions put forward by Liberal Senator James Patterson. But gee, wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall? And what did Kevin

Rudd say? Hi, mister President. I know I called you the village idiot, but I come in peace, please, let's dine.

Speaker 2

I mean, did he rock up unannounced? Was it planned?

Speaker 3

Or was he I don't know, loitering around the golf course hoping to bump.

Speaker 2

Into the president.

Speaker 3

One of our former ambassadors to the US, Arthur Sinnadinis, has given an insight into what might have.

Speaker 1

Occurred in this case.

Speaker 9

Kevin may well have been introducing himself saying Hi, I don't know that they did anything secret, particularly in the dining room in West Palm Beach. It's a pretty public place to be doing anything secret. I think it w've been just a bit of a meet and greet and a good opportunity for Kevin to meet the president.

Speaker 3

Yeah, to meet the man that he trashed publicly. The coalition is asking for more information, So I.

Speaker 10

Want to know what was discussed. I want to know who instigated it. I wanted to know what action items were to lead from it. Did they just bump into each other at the nineteenth hole or were they comparing each other's backswings or was it a serious discussion about Australia America relations.

Speaker 3

Well, clearly the dining room diplomacy did nothing to help Australia America relation. Donald Trump has already slapped tariffs on US and is now threatening more, this time on pharmaceuticals, and pharmaceuticals are one of our largest exports to the United States.

Speaker 2

Ucas is at risk.

Speaker 3

The Pentagon is considering making Australia pay more for submarines, and of course Anthony Arbernezi still can't get a meeting with the US president. So really, we know nothing about what went down in the dining room. We know about as much as we do about when our PM plans to catch up with Donald Trump himself.

Speaker 11

Oh, when we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting, and when it's scheduled that will occur. Well, of course we will meetings, so'll be a range of meetings between.

Speaker 6

Now and the end of the year.

Speaker 1

Is there something wrong here? Where's your phone call from Donald Trump?

Speaker 3

And that?

Speaker 1

So I've had three and look.

Speaker 3

Of course the elephant in the room is Kevin run himself, who once called the US President a traitor to the West. Labor stalwarts say his position is untenable.

Speaker 6

I think it's a worry having Run as our ambassador to you.

Speaker 2

Is not that the PM wanted to talk about it today.

Speaker 3

I are Australians now only finding out about the meeting between Kevin Side and Donald Trump?

Speaker 9

And what does that say about the Australian government's transparency.

Speaker 6

They're not even a position to tell.

Speaker 2

Us what type.

Speaker 6

Yeah, I've spoke in the morning TV interview the contents of the meeting, Well, they had a meet, they had a brief discussion. Was it a secret meeting?

Speaker 3

Though?

Speaker 6

Is less like coolish? Well, I just said that I talked about it at the time.

Speaker 3

But there was something the PM was interested in talking about today.

Speaker 2

His trip to China this weekend.

Speaker 7

And I look forward very much to engaging with the Chinese leadership as well as visiting Shanghai, Beijing and Chengdu. The relations ship with China means jobs in Australia.

Speaker 6

It's as simple as that.

Speaker 3

It's clear Anthony Alberanzi is at ease with China, not the US. He's going to meet with Chinese President Shijing Ping for a fourth time during a six day trip. The handsome boy from Australia sure knows where his priorities lie. Join me now to discuss this and more. Is Nationals Leader David Little Proud. David, thank you so much for joining me. Let's start with this meeting between Donald Trump and Kevin Rudd. All we know is that it happened at Trump's golf club in Florida in the dining room.

We don't know what was discussed, David. The Prime Minister has blamed the Coalition for asking questions, but given Anthony Alberzi still doesn't have a meeting with Trump or a deal on tariffs, surely it is valid to ask questions.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 12

Look, there's nothing more than a desperate diversion from the Prime minister that has nothing to be proud of.

Speaker 1

The Trump administration has.

Speaker 12

Given very very clear cues about trade, about orcas and much more. And if the Prime Minister hasn't understood the importance and urgency of himself having a meeting, not necessarily just the ambassador having a chance meeting, but actually himself getting to the White House like many other world leaders have managed to do, to be able to prosecute a compelling case of Australia has gotten better than anyone else

in the world. We just dropped a check for eight hundred million dollars for our first installment on Virginia Class submarines, and I suspect the fact that we're only learning about Ambassador Rudd's meeting chance meeting with President Trump is because there's nothing to report. There was no progress and there was nothing substantive to that meeting, which shows that the Prime Minister has been asleep at the wheel.

Speaker 1

He's missed the opportunity.

Speaker 12

He hasn't taken up the cues that the Trump administration has been very clear to Australia and to the rest of the world, and the fact that he hasn't found himself on a plane to Washington means that Australians are missing out, whether that be just with the flat tariff but also in terms of aluminium steel that came in into effect in April and now two point two billion dollars worth of pharmaceuticals being hit with a tariff as well.

This is going to cost Australian jobs and we should be leveraging our position with President Trump.

Speaker 1

In a proactive way.

Speaker 12

They are a strategic partner and when you see today also, I think it's important to put into.

Speaker 1

Context the Foreign Minister Wong.

Speaker 12

Talking about the strategic threat of China that why wouldn't the Prime Minister be over there when at the moment we're relying on virgin pilots to identify Chinese ships in our waters doing live fire exercises. Why wouldn't you have found yourself in the White House not just about trade, but also about the strategic partnership.

Speaker 1

That's more than just submarines.

Speaker 12

It's about making sure we send very strong signals until we can defend ourselves well.

Speaker 3

Aksually, I want to ask you about those comments from Penny Wong. They were made at a conference in Malaysia and she has expressed alarm at the quote pace of China's nuclear and.

Speaker 2

Conventional military build up.

Speaker 3

This is what she said when she expanded on those comments last night.

Speaker 13

I talked about the importance of a region where no country dominates and no country is dominated a region, where as I described that there is a balance of power, which of course requires continued US engagement.

Speaker 2

David, is she right?

Speaker 3

And also you've got to wonder why the Prime Minister can't bring himself to be strong on China.

Speaker 1

Exactly.

Speaker 12

Penny Wong is right, and we've we've got to understand. You don't send warships into international waters and doing live fire exercise without wanting to send a message. A message has been sent. And when you're relying on virgin pilots to identify them in our waters, and when we can clearly see that the Labor Party has reduced defense spending,

we can't defend ourselves. We actually need strategic partnerships like ucas with the United States that give us the capacity to be able to send very strong messages that if someone wants to break that peace and tranquility that we have in the region, then there will be consequences because those partnerships, those strategic partnerships are strong, and that also

means that we have to lift our defense spending. He made that very clear to NATO countries straight after his inauguration, saying that he's prepared to be a good citizen being there to keep peace in regions and particularly in Europe, but he's not going to do all the heavy lifting. I don't think President Trump's asking for anything outrageous. If we want to defend our own region, we have to increase our strategic defense spending with the hardware that the

United States has, but we need that partnership. And again the Prime Minister hasn't taken these cues that the Trump administration is being very direct with the Australians, but all the strategic partners the US has is that you've got to do your heavy lifting.

Speaker 1

You've got to be part of this.

Speaker 12

And the fact that the Prime Minister hasn't found himself in Washington has shown that he's given subtle messages back through his speeches that we're not going to be subservient.

Speaker 1

This isn't about being subservient. This is about being in a partnership with the United States to defend ourselves.

Speaker 12

To make sure that we send those strong messages that hopefully we never have to use the long arm of those.

Speaker 1

Military assets to defend ourselves.

Speaker 12

But we can't do that at the moment as we increase our spending, and the Prime Minister shows some leadership gets to Washington shows the importance and urgency of re establishing that partnership and if we haven't got the right people doing that in Washington, then we should also be courageous enough to have that conversation to make sure the personnel in Washington that are dealing with the Trump administration can put Australia's best interest at heart.

Speaker 1

And get that advancement. It is about Team Australia.

Speaker 12

Prime Minister is right on that, but he's got to be upfront, he's got to be honest, and he's got to understand the importance of the urgency of him playing a role in it as well, and anyone else that needs to is in Washington as well.

Speaker 2

Absolutely.

Speaker 3

I mean America is our closest ally and for the first time in a very long time, this relationship is on edge. David Little Proud, it has been good to see you. Thanks very much for joining me on the show this evening.

Speaker 2

Appreciate it well.

Speaker 3

Since its release of a special report into how to combat Anti Semitism, much has been said about whether or not the recommendations cross the line into free speech.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 3

As part of the recommendations, social media and mainstream media would be monitored, while arts bodies and universities will have government funding withdrawn if they failed to address anti semitism.

Speaker 2

Special Envoy Gillian Siegel.

Speaker 3

Was asked on Sky News this morning, what would constitute hate speech?

Speaker 2

Where is that line.

Speaker 14

Where it crosses over the line where it becomes anti Semitic? Is when you say, Okay, I'm not just criticizing the policies or actions, but I actually don't think the state of Israel should exist and all the Jews should somehow disappear or be killed exterminated like in the Holocaust, and that is anti Semitic. We don't call for the destruction of other states.

Speaker 3

We only need to look at the recent case of Muslim preacher with sa Haddad, who was sued by the Executive Council of Australian Jury for racial discrimination following a series of lectures where he called Jews vile and treacherous people. He argued he was just quoting from sacred books, but the judge disagreed.

Speaker 2

So in effect we have a judge who was dared.

Speaker 3

To make age old racist tropes about Jews unlawful. So as this set the standard, now should these recommendations be implemented about what does and does not constitute hate speech and what is the line. Joining me is President of the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory. Robert, it's nice to see you. Thank you very much for joining me on the show. This is a very important conversation to have. What are your thoughts on that first up? What is the line in your view?

Speaker 5

Well, you're right, that is a very important conversation we're having, and after twenty one months when the Jewish community has experienced firebomb attacks on synagogue's restaurant, diners threatened. This is a very constructive and important report and I think looking at some of the individual points, some of them will

have a major impact. For example, calling for greater screening of immigrants to Australia, I think is a very very welcome step, as well as what you mentioned that the funding going towards universities and arts organizations is a major issue, and we've seen President Trump in the United States has withheld money from certain universities and this has had a

major positive effect. So some of the points when it comes to hate speech, there are differing views within the Jewish community and the general community, and we do take some issue with what's contained in the report, but I think on balance it's a very positive report and the proof will be in the putting will the government actually implement it?

Speaker 2

What do you take issue within the report?

Speaker 5

I think when it comes to hate speech, different people have different definitions, and many people don't believe it's the role of the government to define that anyway. So my organization and many people would hold that if you are directly inciting violence, threatening violence, then that should be illegal. But when it comes to merely just spreading hate, while it may be deplorable and detestable, it might not necessarily

be something where criminal law should be brought in. But we do recognize there are obviously different opinions within the community.

Speaker 3

And Jillian Siegel said today on Sky News, as we've just played there, she said, if you're calling for the destruction of Israel, that would constitute it.

Speaker 2

Do you agree with that sense.

Speaker 5

Well, I think that could now be coming into the incitement to violence. So rather than just making a discriminatory statement, if you're calling for destruction of the only nation state of the Jewish people, that may be crossing the line into incitement. And I think a lot of people would agree with that.

Speaker 3

Yeah, Look, the recommendations, let's talk about them. Of course, the Prime Minister has yet to accept any even though I've had Surely he's been kept abreast of these issues for the last nine months since Jillian Siegel began her investigation. A lot of it is actually already in law in the Migration Act.

Speaker 2

You can deport people.

Speaker 3

But the problem I think we're saying is a lot of our existing laws are not being enforced and haven't been enforced since October seven.

Speaker 2

Is that part of the problem, That's exactly it.

Speaker 5

I mean, it seems like the Prime Minister has been writing on the coattails of this report, has been doing a lot of interviews and getting a lot of credit, when, as you said, he hasn't actually implemented any of the recommendations. And this is the same government and the same Prime minister that just two weeks ago was banning a Jewish speaker from America from visiting, that was imposing sanctions on

ministers in Israel. So I find it hard to believe that they've done a complete one eighty in the space of a couple of weeks. But if we give them the benefit of the doubt then. Yes, there are existing laws that should be applied, and I think there needs to be much greater focus from police and where there's political will pressuring police to apply the laws that exist rather than just introducing new laws every time there's an issue.

Speaker 3

Are you disappointed there even had to be an inquiry into antisemitism in this country and it hasn't been addressed since day dot It's taken a report for it to be on the national radar.

Speaker 5

It's very disappointing. On October nine to just a couple of days after October seven, we saw the ugly scenes at the Sydney Opera House and it was clear then there was a problem. It should have been dealt with at the time. I don't think we need more task forces and reports and committees, but we need action, action from government and action from police.

Speaker 3

Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. Look, let's see what happens now. I guess le's see if Labour does adopt the recommendations and how it will play out in our society as we've just been talking about. Robert Gregory, good to see you. Thank you very much for joining me on set today. I really appreciate it. Thank you well still to come the bombshell report on CFMU thugerre So while on Earth did labor in Queensland give them thousands to fight legal battles? Plus, what's the point of

a massive solar farm if they can't generate power? That's happening as the energy transition stagnates.

Speaker 2

Welcome back, Well.

Speaker 3

The Queensland CFMU administrator has exposed shocking examples of threats of violence, intimidation and standover tactics used by the militant union in the state. Barrister Jeffrey Watson described the union as ruthless, crushing anyone who put up resistance, and went on to say the conduct of the CFMU has required some of their targets to quit their job, to move

their homes and to seek medical assistance. What's more, today we've learned that the former Queensland Labor government have given the CFMU one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to fight a serious legal case. Joining me now to discuss all of this is the former boss of the union watchdog the ABCC, John Lloyd John.

Speaker 2

Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining me.

Speaker 3

I want to start firstly with this latest revelation that labor gave the union money to fight a case alleging illegal conduct. Surely the show's labor and the union are working hand in glove.

Speaker 15

Yeah, well it does. It was a highly unusual move. Wasn't money well spent because the union was fine hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars in the case. But look at follow had a protracted dispute, there was a rest at the site, a nasty dispute, and it just demonstrates again that alper governments have been weak when it comes to the CFMU over decades.

Speaker 3

Basically, Yeah, absolutely, And I don't think it's just in Queensland. I think it's across the country and federally as well. But let's go back to this report. Here was the Queensland Deputy Premier going through just some of the behavior that has been exposed.

Speaker 16

A daughter of a workplace health and safety inspector intimidated and bullied at a gymnasium. They found the details of family members, They threatened people physically sexually said a bullet has your name on it.

Speaker 2

John.

Speaker 3

I'm sure you heard it all during your time in the Watchdog, but are you surprise to hear some of these latest details.

Speaker 15

Oh well, no, I'm not. I mean it's been a feature of the industry for a long long time. These sorts of sort of conduct was occurring when I was a commissioner. I suppose these things fester and if the people at the top demonstrate that's their statut of conduct, well then it spreads wider through the organization. And it was concerning about this report was that the author that said perhaps he only scratched the surface, so it's a

lot worse than that. Look over the years, I think people who work in other industries would be absolutely staggered at the way the billing industry is conducted and the thuggery, intimidation, brutal often and these sorts of things just highlight how bad and ingrained it is.

Speaker 3

I mean, obviously this investigation was specific to Queensland, but in your experience, would it be safe to say that this is not an isolated one to that state.

Speaker 15

Well, certainly not. No, Look, it's Victoria. All the states. There's officials who are in strife at the moment before courts in South Australia and New South Wales. Victoria has always been a hot bed of union militancy and in the sea for militancy and appalling conduct. So there, so it is right throughout the industry.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it sounds like it's rife, it's frightening. What should happen next? Do you think does this union need a massive overhaul?

Speaker 2

I mean, what steps need to be taken?

Speaker 15

Well, for sure, Look, it's good that the administrative is starting to sack some of the people as talking about having a code of conduct. That's all right. Code of conducts work if they're clear, not too long, there's training about it. But there's a long way to go to change the culture of the organization, and that takes really making sure that on the ground that contractors are the clients of the industry, the unions, the subcontractors, they're all

on the same page. And what you do need no matter what is done by the administrator, ultimately you need to have a body like the ABCC on the ground on sites enforcing lawful conduct on sites. If you don't have that, well then I think it's going to be a very hard job to clean up the industry.

Speaker 3

Well, I mean, hopefully, given some of the revelations to come out of this report, something is done, because it certainly was frightening to read.

Speaker 2

John Lloyd, thank you very much for your time this evening. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3

Well let's move on nowt joining me is my normal Friday panel Skinde he is contribute a teen of a queen and forming New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2

Was always good to see you both. Thank you for joining me. Now.

Speaker 3

I started with this at the top of the show and I want to return to the detention of a sixty one year old woman from Gaza and then the subsequent protests that we saw outside of Tony Burke's office. David, we don't know if this woman was part of that cohort where the Labor Party gave three thousand gardens visas last year with little to no security checks. But I took a lot of issue with this protest. There was a T shirt that was worn by one of the

protesters that said death to the IDF. It seems like this slogan has now been imported into Australia since Glastonbury. As a former New South Wales Police minister, can anything realistically be done well, I think.

Speaker 17

The police need to use their discretion as to whether or not this is inciting violence. Now, my view is it is because there could be any member of the IDF sitting in Australian society right now that could be gone leave in our holiday in Sydney, that could be living in Sydney and having being on break from service in the Israeli Defense Forces. So I don't think that there's any doubt that it is inciting violence. I think, but we have to remember that there are intelligence agencies

working with the New South Wales Police. They may have their own agenda here and we need to give them a little bit of air cover when it comes to that. But I mean, the mere fact that woman's incarceration immediately resulted in people's chanting death to the IDF says to me that the intelligence agency's got it right when they incarcerated up.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and we still don't know the reasons why, but you can assume and you would know that as oh that don't take these decisions lightly. They you know, they make a very serious call on that. And Tenna, look, we don't know these circumstances, and I want to put aside this particular case, but it was always going to be a risk, wasn't it Bringing people in from a war zone.

Speaker 18

A very real risk to us, and it's been reported that she has this particular woman has one hundred relatives out here. And what I took offense to too was the supporter on the megaphone there at the small protest said he thought and his words were, he thought it was the IDF knocking at her door. It's just disgraceful and

like you said, the signs. But I think I think there's going to be a lot more of this neck because, as you said, the government letting too many people to quickly from that area without the proper checks.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean it was always going to be a risk. And look, you know, well let's see what happens now, Lowielle.

Speaker 2

David was back as policeman.

Speaker 3

I know we need we actually or seriously, we need people like you who are tough and can make these tough calls. David Elliott, it's a shame that you're not still in Parliament, but I understand that you were. You were done with it.

Speaker 10

Now.

Speaker 3

Look, how is it that Victoria's so called Multicultural Commissioner, Mohammed Modine can still be in a job when he has repeatedly posted offensive conduct content such as describing Bob Villain, who of course chanted that death to the IDF at Glastonbury, and Iran's supreme leader Ayatola kamin A as heroes. David, how these people being hired? You know in government?

Speaker 2

Surely there is a vetting process, right, Well.

Speaker 17

They're supposed to be a vetting process, and I mean, let's face it, the Victorian labor government is a law in to itself, and I don't think they really care about vetting when it comes to winning votes. I would have thought that when this gentleman accepted this position, he realized that he was forfeiting a lot of public opinions, because when you take those positions, you do have to

forfeit public opinions. I mean, I had to set asign a lot of my preconceived views when I was made minutes for counter terrorism because I had to work with cultures of all persuasions. And this guy was going into a specific position to do that, to bring communities together. And I think that the best thing for him to do right now is to resign. Vic Alidev had to resign in New South Wales from a similar position and he did nothing like what this gentleman was talking about I mean, you've got to.

Speaker 3

Feel for the tax payer in particular. I don't know how much this person has been paid, but it's irrelevant.

Speaker 2

Where was the vetting? Look, and he won't resign David.

Speaker 18

You know in Victoria that aligns with a lot of the government's principles. So there's no way to resigned. No, while they get rid of you. It's absolutely disgraceful.

Speaker 3

No, I completely agree with you, and I think, well, who knows what happened with the Allen government and they're actually going to investigate this.

Speaker 2

You never know when it comes to water Allen.

Speaker 18

The latest poll has them way ahead. Now you tell me how I mean Libor.

Speaker 2

Party should hang their head in show. Well, that's another issue. You can't tell me that the job pursudo more redeeming. That's a whole diversion, that the whole show. We could do a whole show. But they're in Yeah, they're in all sorts of issues. But still there's an it's next year, it's late next year, so let's see, there's a little bit of time. There's a little bit of time.

Speaker 3

Now let's talk about the Labor Party's Green dream. And you have to ask, what's the actual point of all these massive solar farms if they're going to have at least one third of their power generation switched off by twenty twenty seven because of.

Speaker 2

The snail's pace roll out of transmission lines.

Speaker 3

And just on this, we've learnt today that the snowy hydro subsidiary Red Energy is raising power prices in Victoria for some by two hundred by two sorry, two hundred and thirty households. David, here we go again. You know, the green dream is imploded day in, day out.

Speaker 2

Nothing is changing here.

Speaker 3

I mean, how can labor keep seriously pushing this message that you know we're on the trajectory stay with the cause.

Speaker 17

Well, their eagerness for it was vote by and we all know that now everybody on the conservative side of politics, in fact everybody in Australia wants to leave a better earth. We will got to be good custodians of the environment. That doesn't mean that we have to wreck our economy. And this is proof positive that the planning wasn't done and this transitioning is not going to happen by twenty thirty. It's not going to happen by twenty fifty. It's like

solving the housing christis. Everybody seems to think these things, there's a silver bullet out there, and if we try this, and we try that, we'll eventually find the silver bullet. Well, it's not going to happen. So transitioning part thereof which is my view, we should have to have a mixture of electricity suppliers and options because when one goes to pastry, we can always rely on the other one. But once again, we've just seen an election winning headline give us, leave

us with a big cost. And I'd hate to be in Victoria thinking that tomorrow night, when the snow's falling in regional Victoria or the temperature in Melbourne drops below zero, there's going to be no opportunity to heat my house.

Speaker 2

No, Well that's it.

Speaker 3

And you know we keep caring Tina that you know, power bills will go down, will go down.

Speaker 2

They're not.

Speaker 3

They're going in the opposite direction. They write they rose by ten percent just a week ago. If you're with Red Energy, you know, bad luck because your bills are going to go up even further. But you've got all these projects delayed or canceled.

Speaker 18

Yeah yeah, yeah, Well the hydro it's got blind. I think when Malcolm came up the crazy idea it was two billion. I think it's now blown out around thirteen billion, and it's just disgraced for what labor's doing federally. But David, I praised you for your efforts last time as Cabeism minister, and.

Speaker 2

Please minister, but what the hell did you.

Speaker 18

Guys do when we're in government in New South Wales? Matt Kean Don Harwin, I think they're going one hundred percent renewables.

Speaker 17

Well, I don't think we went to one hundred percent. I'm assure you there were voices of reason and.

Speaker 2

Were loud enough.

Speaker 18

They weren't loud enough.

Speaker 17

As soon as he fight in the terrorists.

Speaker 2

David had one.

Speaker 3

David had multiple things going on, and now he's got to deal with energy crisis as well.

Speaker 18

I just get cranky because we've been in government, you know, in the state and federally, and we did nothing, absolutely not.

Speaker 17

The conservative side of politics has lost the narrative. It needs to be a mixture between Tony Abbot Matt King.

Speaker 2

We need to he just needs Tony Abbot. No, no, no, we do need to.

Speaker 17

Be We do need to honestly say to people that we believe we should be good custodians of the earth. And I've got thirty two solar panels. I pay nothing for electricity. Now it is a good policy. But if I don't have if it's if it's raining for a month and I don't have access to the solar, I need to be able to plug into a cold powered electricity system.

Speaker 18

Don't do the matt Kean turning Abbot mixture. We need to be one side of the other. Let's stick to I'm a pluralist.

Speaker 3

Sticks, we're sticking. I stick to Abbott as well. I'm with you on this one, Tina. Absolutely. Now, I thought this was quite hilarious that there was a mysterious silence by Joe Biden doctor who refused to answer whether he was ever instructed to lie about the former president's health or whether he believed the president was unfit for office. Here was Republican James Comer explaining what happened behind closed doors during the House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 18

Were you ever told to la about the president itself?

Speaker 6

He pleaded the Fifth Amendment? You would not answer that question.

Speaker 13

The second question, did you ever believe President Biden was unfit to execute his duties?

Speaker 18

Again.

Speaker 14

President Biden's White House position pleaded the Fifth Amendments.

Speaker 3

Oh, Ge David, there was a whole lot of duck and weaving going on there. The silence must have been deafening. I mean, we could only assume the answer.

Speaker 17

We're going to call this Biden Gate because I think when I was in politics, they went through me like a day's assualts at SA fifty two. They wanted to know who, you know, who I was having coffee with, and you know, my wife's maiden. They went through everything. I can't believe that he's seriously thinking that a man who was the President of the United States should not have to cough up pardon the pun with this information. Of course he should become submitting information regarding the health

and welfare of the President of the United States. And as I said, I just this really disturbs me because in Australia it's very very unusual.

Speaker 1

For a politician to be able to get away.

Speaker 17

With hiding this sort of information. In fact, it's near on illegal, and there are whether it be whether it be through Upper House inquiries, whether it be IKAK, whether it be the Supreme Court, whether it be your own constituents, or our dear friends in the media. This information is always made public and of course the worst crime is lying about it. Normally sometimes you can get I'm prove positive you can get away with things in this town. But if you lie about it, you're gone.

Speaker 2

God you absolutely God aren't going to give up them.

Speaker 18

I mean, he's going to claim patient doctor confidentiality, but he put the whole country at risks. So no, Trump's going to keep on this and hopefully we'll find the truth which we all know.

Speaker 3

We all know what's happened. Come on, you don't need an inquiry, but gee's fascinating. Ten the Queen, David Elliott, good to see you both have a good weekend. Thank you for joining me. Coming up after the break live to the UK as mccron ands Starmer hatch a plan to try and crack down on the hundreds of illegal boat arrivals every day, plus the winners and losers of the week.

Speaker 2

That's next Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3

While UKPM Kiir Starmer and French President and Manuel mccron think they've hatched a plan to crack down on the hundreds.

Speaker 2

Of illegal boat arrivals happening every day.

Speaker 3

Joining me, now is Reform UK counselor Darren Grimes, Darren always lovely.

Speaker 2

To see you, thank you for joining me.

Speaker 3

The same day they announced this, some seven hundred small boats arrived.

Speaker 2

So it sounds like a dud from the beginning. Will it work?

Speaker 19

Absolutely?

Speaker 1

It does?

Speaker 19

You know you've got pound shop Napoleon. And then that bank clerk Sakia Starmer that this idea, that this has going to stop the boats one in one out nearly seven hundred illegals coming across the channel, with Nigel Farage by the way in the English Channel watching it all take place, and there were out of a boat with about seventy eight people on it. There were three women and children, three women and children, the rest of them men.

Now where I'm from, Denika, in the northeast of England, we have cheaper housing stock than the rest of the country. So we are getting families, I say families. We are getting groups of men, seven at a time moving in to homes next door to young families. Imagine being that young family when that happens. So this grand idea, it's like the people smugglers are getting a memo saying cheers

will send a flotilla to celebrate. You know, the pilot scheme is so puny that it'll about maybe at best fifty people a week being returned, so it'll deter absolutely nobody. Our borders are leakier than a sieve. And he calls this a breakthrough. It's a break down for Britain, That's what it is. The public are ripping it to shreds, the calling it worse than a useless frankly than this

attempt to actually halt the Dinghy invasion. Compare it to some of the measures that were put in place in dare, I say, Australia, the idea that you would have turned to third countries and said to them, well, do you mind taking back at least fifty of them, the idea that would have stopped the boats. It's farcical. We are a weak nation, we are a laughing stock on the international stage, and it's all thanks to this pounch up Napoleon and this bank clerk of a prime minister.

Speaker 2

Oh look, I agree.

Speaker 3

It's almost like Keir Starmer's out of ideas. He's spinning ideas willy nilly now, Darren, hoping that something will stick, and clearly nothing is working.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 3

Donald Trump is set to visit Scotland this month and Keir Starmer is going to visit him. While while he's there, I must say, Darren Kirstamer is wasting no time integrating himself while our Prime minister here at Australia can't even get one meeting with Trump.

Speaker 2

But what's going to be on the agenda this time?

Speaker 19

Look, you know it's somewhat ironic, isn't it that fresh from Bendenova, with the sort of centrist macron of France, he's now going to have to cozy up to Donald J. Trump, who, no doubt, behind the scenes he calls worse than goodness only knows what, but he'll know doubty slavering like a

young puppy. Danika one minute is actually preaching NATO hikes and defending the Western Europe and arming Ukraine to the hilt, and the next actually he's talking about how he cannot control Britain's borders, and actually he admitted that Britain had lost control of its borders. So perhaps he's going to be saying talk to Donald J. Trump about all of

these things. But I hope Donald Trump, as has happened from the Trump administration, turns around and reminds mister Starmer that he needs to find his spine, that he needs to remember that we're supposed to believe in freedom of expression in this country. We have political prisoners of mister

Starmer's in prison right now today, at this moment. So whilst he might be trying to make out to Donald Trump that he's auditioning for MAGA membership, let's not forget that he's just as hysterical, as useless and incompetent as Kamela Harris was. So when the lefty love he meets the ultimate deal maker, I say, past the popcorn and I hope this is Starmer's orange tinted nightmare.

Speaker 1

Denika.

Speaker 3

I'm sure you'll be sitting there with your popcorn, Darren, and I look forward to getting a rundown from you at some point. Darren Grimes, always nice to see you. Thank you very much for joining me on the show this evening. Appreciate it well. It is that time of the week where we sought the winners from the losers, and helping me to do that is Per McSwain from Verb Communications.

Speaker 2

Hello, good to see you now. Your winner this week is a missing surfer.

Speaker 20

Look It's just the most wonderful, miraculous story when you think that his father actually, you know, called out, He worked out all the winds, the tidal waves and what have you to try and work out how where this kid could possibly be. He called out in desperation to just everybody he could, and this whole flotilla of relatives and boaties and what have you went out to find this kid, which of course he did.

Speaker 2

This. This boy's nineteen years old, Darcy defaults.

Speaker 20

His father is Terry, and it just talks about the father's love, you know how a family. You imagine if you'd lost someone, ohs at sea.

Speaker 2

He was missing.

Speaker 20

Overnight and this kid was found miraculously and it's made world headlines.

Speaker 2

So good on good story.

Speaker 3

Love a good news story amongst all the deaferent destruction that we've got at the moment.

Speaker 2

Now, you know, I love a music theme.

Speaker 3

So my winner this week I'll giving it to Osborne because he's played one last show with Black Sabbath in Reala. This was the last show ever. It's called the back to Beginning to a one night only. This man's seventy six years old. He's actually got Parkinson's disease, and yet he can still belt out their number one hit Paranoid.

Speaker 2

Have a look thank you from the Boma.

Speaker 19

I love you, you love me?

Speaker 1

And he's a so called paranoid.

Speaker 3

Look you really have by this? You know you don't like my winner of the week. Buy is a living legend. Yes, he was sitting down, but doesn't matter. The fact is he gave it a go.

Speaker 2

He had so much makeup on to hide all the wrinkles.

Speaker 14

What are you in?

Speaker 20

His seventies and roll rock and roll break That music is revolting.

Speaker 2

Good riddance, mate, embraced rock and roll breue. Come on, I did when I was in my twenty thirties. Now not so much. You wouldn't go after Ozzie No right, no, not my type. But he's breathing and that's about his only thing going for him. Seventy six years old. He's given it a crap. I think it was great anyway. I loved it. I saw bits of Bobs on X and I just thought, good on him anyway.

Speaker 3

That's fine, But you know I love a music the so now look your loser this week is the Act Government's dog ownership rules mandate.

Speaker 2

I mean, will they get out of our lives.

Speaker 20

These bureaucrats who are overpaid obviously have nothing better to do that come up with this.

Speaker 2

Now they believe that dogs.

Speaker 20

Are sentient, that they have feelings, and I'm sure they do, but how the hell are they going to mandate this?

Speaker 2

They want us to spend what three hours with our dogs?

Speaker 20

If you happen to live in Queen in Act and you know they're mandating it, and what are we going to do?

Speaker 2

How are you going to police it? They're going to have dog dobbers, you know. I mean, it's just absurdity.

Speaker 20

It's another hair braid Act government idea, and it's pathetic. They did it in Sweden and Germany where people were being told they had to walk a certain number.

Speaker 2

Of hours with their dogs. I mean, how dare they?

Speaker 20

And most people I know love their dogs as a member of the family.

Speaker 2

It doesn't need to be put in the law. I mean, this is typical. But we're not shocked from the Act. Let's be honest.

Speaker 3

They're woke that we're totally woke so love dogs. I absolutely adore dogs, but it doesn't need to be mandated. In the end, it's up to the pet owners. Let people decide what they.

Speaker 2

Want to do with their Get out of our lives. Get out of our lives exactly.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 3

My louser this week is Hollywood, particularly now that Superman has gone woke.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 3

This is after director James Gunn told The Times quote Superman is the story of America, an immigrant that came from other places have populated the country. It's prompted Dean Kin, who played the Man of Steel in the nineteen nineties TV series Lois and Clark, to say, we.

Speaker 2

Know Superman is an immigrant. He's a freaking alien.

Speaker 3

The American way is immigrant friendly, tremendously immigrant friendly, but there are rules. You can't come in saying I want to get rid of all the rules in America because I want to be more like Somalia.

Speaker 2

And look, you know, enough is enough.

Speaker 3

We saw it with Snow White. Why is America going Hollywood? God woke, gone wake.

Speaker 20

I wish we could find a Superman with superpowers to get rid of all these morons.

Speaker 2

You know, if we could just look.

Speaker 20

At everyone in American around the world, who is this woke idiot? These woke idiots that really have no idea and want to impose their stupidity on the rest of us, and sadly we are stupid enough to allow them, you know, I mean, but Hollywood's been strange for so long.

Speaker 2

That there's something wrong over there.

Speaker 20

Yeah, and looking at Disney, which is going grove obviously with its workness.

Speaker 3

Anyway, it's bizarre, pro lovely to see you as always.

Speaker 2

We'll do it all again next week. Thank you and thank you for your company.

Speaker 3

I'll be back on Sunday night at seven pm for Deneka and James. But up next, Caroline Marcus is filling in for Steve Price.

Speaker 2

Good night

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