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Conversation with Sting Ray Robb, An Up-and-Coming Indy Car Racer

Jul 14, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 5
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Welcome to an adrenaline-fueled journey with my special guest, Stingray Rob. He's not just a star rising in the racing world, but a man with a unique perspective on life and faith. Born and raised in Idaho, Stingray brings his love for speed to our show, a passion ignited at a young age and nurtured by his family's love for Corvettes and cars in general. Get ready to experience the thrill of his journey from go-kart races to the competitive landscape of IndyCar.

Can you imagine navigating a cross-country expedition to Watkins Glen, New York, with just a paper map? Stingray did just that, embracing the thrill of the open road with his grandparents. Moreover, his pro-Mazda racing experiences, especially the intense 49 races leading up to his first win, will leave you on the edge of your seat. But, it's not all high-speed adrenaline; Stingray's story is also deeply intertwined with his faith, which serves as his compass through the ups and downs of his career. His most memorable race wasn't just about the win, but a life-changing revelation about purpose and trust in God.

But there's more to Stingray than meets the eye. Alongside his need for speed, he firmly believes in the power of community and the importance of wise counsel in decision-making. He'll be sharing some sage advice about living in the moment and the importance of enjoying the journey rather than obsessing over the destination. So buckle up and join us in this engaging and inspiring conversation with the one and only Stingray Rob. His unique perspective on life, racing, and everything in between will surely inspire you.

You can find Sting Ray here: https://www.stingrayrobb.com/


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Stingray Rob

Speaker 1

Absolutely nothing beats windshield time . Welcome back to Dan the Roadtrip Guy , a podcast where we have candid conversations about life lessons learned on the road . I'm your host , bimmer Enthusiast and Roadtrip Extraordinaire , dan Neal . And now on to the show . To say I'm excited today for the show would be an understatement . I have a young man joining me .

He's a rising star in IndyCar racing . I've been following him since 2017 , when he started on the road to Indy in Pro Mazda . He's now on the last rung of that racing ladder And we expect to see him in IndyCar's next year . I welcome to the show Stingray Rob . So Stingray , most of my guests don't understand this . first start .

I say we're going to take a warm up lap around Mid-Ohio . I know , you'll be very good at this . Who is Stingray Rob ?

Speaker 2

Well , first off , thanks for having me on the show . I'm going to go quickly here , But Stingray Rob , well he is an . Idaho boy , born and raised . I grew up around parents that loved cars . From an early age I was attending Corvette Clubs , jag Races , autocross events . I actually took my first steps at a Corvette Club meeting . That's the name Stingray .

My parents were big Corvette fans and they decided to pass that passion along with me through my name . But I started racing when I was five years old . Ever since then I started climbing the ladder .

I mean , one of the funny stories that I like to tell is that whenever I was in the car with my mom and they had a Corvette at the time when I was quite little , she got on the throttle a little bit . All I could say was faster , faster , faster .

It was pretty cool , but anyways , yeah , i ended up getting into racing pretty early and moved my way up through the carting ranks and then into cars , and I tried everything . I did dirt cars , nascar , open wheel sports cars And I just wanted to make sure that whatever path it was that I was going to take was the one I wanted to do .

So I just did it all , and one of the blessings that I've had along the way is the involvement of my family . They've been huge supporters of what I'm doing and who I am from day one , and that's not just my parents , my grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins and nieces and nephews and brothers and sisters , i mean .

I got a large family , a wide variety of personalities , and they've all become part of my career , which is so cool because it may have been so much more meaningful for me .

And not only that , but , like , my faith is something that I believe in And that has been something that has passed along from my grandparents into my parents and to me , and that's why I feel like I am where I am is to share my faith with others and be a light to those down being and just feel like racing is that platform And it's something that I'm

passionate about and really enjoy .

Speaker 1

You answered one of my first questions and I'm sure you get asked that a lot is your name , very unique name you know , stingray , particularly in racing .

Speaker 2

Yeah , i can actually go in more in depth on that , if you want , i love it .

Speaker 1

Yeah , go for it .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and I said parents were big Corvette fans . My dad has a 1966 Stingray Corvette that he turned into a drag car and it's a piece of work for sure . Like it is a beautiful car . It looks mostly original and you wouldn't be able to tell it has a horse power from the outside , but it is something that is quite inspiring to see .

But outside of the Corvette side of things , sting is actually short for Sterling And that is because of my dad's heritage . Inside of the family is from Sterlingshire , scotland , so they took Sterling , shortened it to Sting , and then both my grandpas had Ray in their name .

My dad's dad was Ray And then my mom's dad was Phillip Ray And so we took all of that combined together And here I am as Stingray Rob .

Speaker 1

The perfect racing name right .

Speaker 2

It doesn't get much better . It worked out well . It makes it hard to order a Subway sandwich , i'll admit , but it's all right . Yeah , for sure .

Speaker 1

Because I've always been curious . It was like I'd really like to know the details behind that . You mentioned your dad was into drag racing , so does your family have a racing heritage then Other racers , or are you the start of this ?

Speaker 2

No , no , I am the first of hopefully a few . That would be pretty cool . I believe a legacy of race car drivers . But my dad was kind of the first one , I think that was in the cars . He actually was restoring Corvette for a while In his day . it was put a motor in whatever car you want to go fast , whether it be a meetup old truck or something else .

But my mom was also a car person . She is quite unique personality . She's very versatile and she likes projects . She likes old cars and she likes going fast . She likes the sound and driving and just the whole atmosphere . It's pretty cool to see , because I'm kind of in their way of experiencing more in depth of that . They share the passion with me .

But I'm the first generation racer out of the group .

Speaker 1

Very cool . Yeah , I think a lot of us sometimes we're living out our lives through our kids . I kind of do that through Henry , who you know , And so I'm always like whenever I catch a picture of him standing on pit lanes and I'm like , okay , I'm not a great race car driver . I love to drive But anyway , that's very cool . First race .

You remember that very first race where you went out and you were competitive and tell us about that .

Speaker 2

Well , i started driving a go kart in our driveway And I remember that pretty vividly . Actually , my dad would set up cones in the driveway . We had our own little cul-de-sac . I would rip around in my go cart and you'd say , all right , i'm going to put an apple up here . You got to hit the apple and that'd be my apex point .

You know and yeah , so I got started doing that And then we went out to our local cart track , which is by no means something to brag about . It's a eighth mile Ripper of a track , super bumpy . You hold your breath for you know 15 seconds and take a breath on the straightaway And then you hold it for another 15 seconds .

So I got going out there when I was five or six I guess my birthday was . I turned five in September and then we didn't get out there until that next summer And I don't really remember my first race , but I definitely remember the early stages of like okay , where do you put your hands on the steering wheel ?

I go OK , how close can I get to the cart next to me ? And the five year old is pretty young . Yeah , i remember some of it And I think my first large memory of like a successful race didn't come until I was about eight years or nine years old eight years old , just 2010 . And I won the four cycle grand nationals .

That was a big event for me And I actually made a last lap pass with two turns to go And my mom's got a video of it somewhere , but she was filming and you see me throw it in the corner that people don't normally pass in .

She ended up screaming and like dropping the camera And I crossed the starting finish line and , you know , finished first And that was pretty cool And my mom and grandpa and my dad were my mechanics at the time , so they got to end up on the podium with me And that was like the big deal .

You know , it's like the first national event that I won , so that was pretty awesome .

Speaker 1

Yeah , what track was that at ? Do you remember That was ?

Speaker 2

in Tri-Cities Washington .

Speaker 1

OK , kind of a Middle Ohio last turn pass a few weeks ago . right , that was a , that was a nice pass .

Speaker 2

Yes , it was very similar to that . Actually , I think I got a little of my ear old self out in that race , Yeah that looked good .

Speaker 1

Talk about street cars . We'll get away from the race car for a minute . First . First car that you know that was the family would have said is your car , And maybe you haven't had that yet , I don't know .

Speaker 2

No , I've had my fair share of cars already . You can't , can't keep the cars away from the car guy . you know That's right . So I kind of had two first cars . if I'm honest , We got a thing was like an . O5 Mini Cooper S .

I got that when I was like 13 , maybe because I needed to learn how to drive a manual in order to go to the Bondron racing school in Arizona .

Speaker 1

OK .

Speaker 2

And so my mom would take me out in parking lots at various locations and we changed up our location so we weren't getting cops pulling us over . But so I learned a manual at 13 and then we ended up selling that before I could drive in Idaho You can get your license or your permit , i guess , at 14 and a half And then your life at 15 .

So I kind of went like a year without a car , got another Mini Cooper S And it was race red . I don't know the exact name of the color , but you know bright red Mini Cooper and you know has a supercharger and short wheelbase And I ended up autocrossing that a couple of times And then pretty soon . I mean I live in a small town actually , so pay Idaho .

The population is less than 7000 , probably most of the year OK , and our local police department had officers that were coaches on our basketball team , and so my two coaches the head of coach for my freshman year , my assistant coach were police officers and they'd seen me ripping around town .

Instead of pulling me over , they would say , hey , you're running suicide tonight , and so I'd have to do the extra workouts after practice because I got caught speeding through town And so that Mini Cooper had to go pretty quickly . Yeah , those are my two first cars .

Speaker 1

Oh , good for you . Yeah , those cops today probably , if they're still there , they're like yeah , we used to chase Stingray around , right Yeah ?

Speaker 2

I think they probably wouldn't admit it , but I don't know if they would have been able to catch up to me the way I was driving . but they knew that they had catch me at practice , So I paid for it there .

Speaker 1

Yeah , i grew up in a small town . I grew up in a family grocery store and I had motorcycles and people would go in the store and go hey , wilma , what's my mom's name ? Wilma , your boy , you got to take care of him . small town living .

Speaker 2

Yeah , keeps you accountable .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , for sure , lots of people are watching .

Speaker 2

Yes .

Speaker 1

This is a road trip show and , as I told you before we started , I love road trips And I've driven across the country . My wife and I drove out through your part of the world . We did a 4,300-mile road trip in 2019 .

Speaker 2

Oh , wow .

Speaker 1

We did a lap . Every road trip to me has to look like a lap . I drove from Denver , came through your state , went to Glacier , went to the West Coast , went up , went to Glacier .

Speaker 2

Beautiful Down to T-Town It's back to Denver .

Speaker 1

Yeah , i mean , it's still probably one of the things that sticks out in our mind .

Memorable Road Trips and Racing Experiences

So tell me you're still young , most memorable road trip that you remember , small child recently .

Speaker 2

Well , i can tell you , I've had my fair share of road trips . When we were karting about the time I was 12 years old we were gone 42 weekends a year on the road And we were driving to most of those races , and that was California , arizona , canada , florida , north Carolina And it was me and my dad a lot of times , but my grandparents would also drive .

But one of the most fun trips I think I had And , like I said , i've been on plenty , so it's just the one that stands out amongst the rest .

But in 2017 , as my first year in pro-Mazda we had a race in St Louis And my mom and my dad had to go back And we actually owned a small grocery store in Ontario , oregon , and so they had to go back and run the company for a little bit .

But we were going to Watkins Glen right after St Louis was like the following weekend , so my grandparents and I hopped in the rental car and drove from St Louis to Watkins Glen , new York . And our goal was to do it without Google Maps or anything like that , just paper map . And so we did all the touristy things .

We did the Louisville Slugger factory , we did Antietam , gettysburg , and somewhere along the way there We were going to go to the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon , like , oh , that sounds awesome , that looks really cool .

I remember I was in charge of the map And so 15-year-old me , who's never used a map before , is obviously not the best option , but they were training me , i guess .

Speaker 1

Yeah , for sure .

Speaker 2

And I've done it in school a little bit just for fun , and it's something that you've kind of learned but don't ever use . So I was thinking of it as we went . But we look on the map like , ok , this is the town that we're in , and you do the little measuring tool , it's 50 miles up , and OK .

And then that's like to the side , we've got to go from this town to this town . So you follow the road signs And so we're driving for like 30 minutes . I'm like man , where is this Pennsylvania Grand Canyon ? We're looking around And we get to the town on the other side . We're like what in the world , where did the Grand Canyon go ?

We turn around and go back through on this road that's supposed to be right next to the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon . We can't find it . It's like , ok , it's the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon . Like it's on the map , you should be able to notice what it is .

And so we get back to the town on the other side , like where we started , and we did that again And pretty soon , like we get back And we're heading back towards our starting positions for the second time And I realized I'm like wait , no , hang on . We are in the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon right now .

It was like two rolling hills and a road running between them And that was like our entertainment for the day . You know , halfway through that event I started eating all the snacks in the car And they're like hang on , we got to survive here . I'm like I know I'm eating it before you guys eat it . I got to put on the pounds before you guys come along .

So , anyway , that was a good trip And seeing all the sights And Gettysburg was awesome too , because I was actually studying that in my history class at the same time .

So I'm doing homework in the car in the backseat as we're going through Gettysburg And I'm studying it in my book and reading about it And I'm telling them facts about this place and this place and this place and so and so is here , And then It was so cool to experience that with my grandparents just the three of us , without my parents or someone else being

there . It was a lot of good personal time , good for our relationship .

Speaker 1

Nothing like traveling with your grandparents . I only grew up with one grandparent , Ramon . She was quite the renaissance woman . Yeah that's cool . People need to embrace the paper map every now and then . This whole GPS thing I usually set mine on avoid highways and avoid tolls . and people would be like why are you doing that ?

I said well , because you can't see America if you just stay on the interstate .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1

But I did a road trip cross-country road trip with my dad in 2003 . I bought an old BMW with only one purpose . It was in San Jose . We flew out there . We live in Cincinnati . We flew out there and my dad was an owner-operator of Big Briggs . I'm thinking perfect companion on this trip .

It was 73 at the time , but we pick up this car and we had no map . So we're kind of like I'm thinking I got a truck driver with me . He figured out where we're going . The goal was to run Route 50 from the West Coast back home . We did get turned around once . We actually had to stop and buy a paper map .

You've been racing let's just call it 2017 to now , and you're doing great . By the way , i enjoy watching what you do , so you've been in these races . We'll talk about pro-mods . We'll talk about IndyLite . Is there just one race that just really stands out to you among the rest ? I know there's been lots .

Speaker 2

Oh , yeah , yeah , I think . Well , i was in the road to Indy for quite a while before I got my first win . I was 49 races in before I got that first W , and so that came in 2020 at Mid-Ohio . I remember I was sitting okay in the championship . That was like kind of my make-it-or-break-it year in 2020 .

And so I was going for the championship way more than I probably would have otherwise , because I knew this is kind of like it if I don't win . So we do is a triple header weekend . We do the first race and I started like third or something and then finished tenth And it was no one's fault other than my own .

I drove off the track and then put myself in bad positions and it was just terrible .

Finding Purpose and Trusting in God

And after that race , i remember I get out of the car and look at my driver coach and he kind of shrugged his shoulders And I was like I don't want to talk to anyone right now .

So I said , okay , i'm going to be back , i'm going to put my home in the trailer and go for a walk around Mid-Ohio , And I don't know if you've been out in the little fields out there where the campgrounds are . But I went for a walk through the trees . I've camped there many times And I was like okay .

Speaker 1

We used to camp there with Henry when he was like four years old . Yeah , we were familiar with that .

Speaker 2

Yeah , So I took myself on a little tour out there . I ended up taking a knee and leaning on a fence And I was like , all right , God this is it Like I have given everything that I've got . For as long as I can remember , this has been my biggest passion , and it's either I mess up , something happens , it doesn't go our way .

Someone else makes a mistake , or I make a mistake , and it just like it never . It never works out the way we need it to work out , and I'm tired of trying to force it , so I'm just trusting you with it .

And in that moment I had a memory of a verse that I learned when I was homeschooled , and it was James one and said consider it pure joy when you face trials of many kinds , because you know that the testing of your face produces perseverance . So let perseverance finish its work So you may be mature and complete , not lacking anything .

I was like huh , like that is not something that I've thought about in a long time , but it was like this flood of emotions went away And I felt at peace because I knew that everything that I've been through had been for a reason and I could trust God with everything that I'd struggled through and all of the lessons that I learned , that I could consider it

something that was a blessing , because it taught me something that I wouldn't have experienced otherwise . I was good after that , like all right , whatever happens , happens , i'm trusting God and I know that it'll be for a reason . It'll be for a reason as long as I give it to him .

I went out for the next race and I ended up winning and it was just like the weight kind of just was lifted and from there on it was just like the floodgates opened up .

So , yeah , that's probably one of the most memorable races I've had , and one that I think will be a staple in my career , just because it was the moment that I kind of gave it up and leaned on my face more than I would have had I not been broken . So I think it's good for a man to be broken , not broke . That makes sense .

A truly broken man is at rock bottom and is willing to give it all away in order to get back up , and that's where I was . I wasn't , you know , halfway there . I was all the way there . I was ready to do it , so yeah , Wow , Wow .

Speaker 1

Thank you for sharing that . That's great . You're still . You're 20 years old . What's one thing you'd like to experience in this lifetime ? Let's put racing aside , okay . We'll put winning the Indie 500 aside , okay . We're going to do a little more life stuff here . There's just that one thing that I don't know .

Maybe as a kid you're like ah , someday I'm going to do that . We know you're going to win the Indie 500 , okay , i'm confident of that .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

Anything that pops to your mind again , maybe as 20 , you don't think about that too much .

Speaker 2

When you get on the start to go .

Speaker 1

Okay , you know it's getting closer to the finish line , so I better figure this out .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , i think there's something that you say that like , well , what was the thing ? as a kid , like I'm going to do that . It's kind of funny . Like as a kid , i was even asking questions . You know , as a seventh grader maybe , i was asking the question of like okay , what's the purpose of living ? Like this is absolutely useless .

Like why do we have to go to school ? Why do we have to learn ? Why can't we just be born with it ? I think this is ridiculous , i'm tired of it already , and so I mean , those were questions that I was thinking at a very early age , and it was kind of funny too , because before that I thought that I was just going to do everything .

You know , i was going to be a race car driver , i was going to be an astronaut , i was going to be a baker , i was going to be a dog trainer you know Yeah . It was just like this list of things that continued on . Oh , i have so much life ahead of me , and I think that's so true .

Like at eight or nine years old do you think that you're on top of the world Because the world sits in front of you . You know , that's like the age that you realize that , man , i have so much ahead of me and as long as I keep doing something , i'm going to do it all . And I didn't realize that we don't actually have that much time .

So I think if I was going to make a list of things that I want to experience , like , i think it'd be super cool to do

Road Trip Dreams and Life Advice

So . Actually , growing up in Idaho , i'm a big outdoorsman . I like snow skiing , i like mountain biking , i like hiking , i like hunting .

But I want to do like an all-out trip , like a three-week trip up the coast of California , i do like surfing , rock climbing , and then going to Oregon , washington , idaho , up into Canada and like just do anything from like surfing , hunting , fishing , hiking , and then snow skiing in the British Columbia , and like do it out of the back of my car or a van or

something You know , meet people along the way and just like have good company as I go to different places , and I think that would be absolutely amazing to do something like that , i mean , and then outside of that , if you're going to get get away from activities , I don't know , it's hard to say , i don't know what it's going to look like yet , but you know ,

life is quite short And as one person you don't feel like you can do a lot , but I feel like racing is a platform I can use .

So I want to make a difference in communities around me and the lives around me , and so , like that's , one of my main goals in life is just to look for those opportunities And hopefully one day I don't care if I be , i'm remembered as that , but I want to inspire others to do the same .

Speaker 1

Because sometimes you know , people get famous and they kind of forget that I'll challenge you on that Always remember that statement .

Speaker 2

And it'll be on a podcast forever .

Speaker 1

I'm sure this will never go away .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , once it's on the internet , there forever .

Speaker 1

If you could go on a road trip with anyone , who would you want to go with ?

Speaker 2

Man , that would be tough . just because I would want a versatile group , You know you want the guy that is the spontaneous , don't think , just go wherever , do whatever kind of a guy . Yeah , and then you'd want someone that was very thoughtful and like the planner , And I would . I don't know . I think that's a good description though Stingray .

Speaker 1

I think that's a great description . It doesn't have to be a particular person , but you know who you want in the car with you . Hey , you should also say the guy with the credit card . Right , we need the guy with the credit card .

Speaker 2

Yes , yes , yes . That is a good guy to have in the car with you , yeah .

Speaker 1

I was going to ask you about advice for young aspiring drivers . I think I'm going to skip that . I'm going to ask you what advice you would give to young people . You know , I'm sure you got great encouragement and advice from people . What would you tell somebody if you had to sit down with them ?

Stingray Rob , sitting down with young person , they've got a passion . I don't care what the passion is . What would you tell them ?

Speaker 2

I am learning a lot as I go along . I would probably just give my most recent lessons . There you go , but one of them I think that I would definitely tell someone is just build a community , and I think that we all learned that through COVID .

It's like how important community is and that doesn't mean like your social media community , i mean like really interconnected , deep , hold you accountable , living life together kind of community .

That could be family , it could not be family , but I think that it's important to have wise counsel around people that are going to call you out , people that are going to challenge you , and also the people that are going to have fun with you and be willing to go through the daily life and the monotonous , as well as the good , the bad and the ugly kind of

a deal . But yeah , i think that pour into relationships where you know that you can have that more so than getting caught up in how many friends can I have ?

That is something that I really advise , because the group that you spend your most time with is the group that you're going to become And you're all going to grow together , and so make sure that you're growing with the right people instead of all the people . So , yeah , there's that .

And then another thing I'd say is that you know , recently I read Ecclesiastes and it is . It's almost depressing to read , but it is very eye opening to the idea that you know everything that we do is going to go away at some point . Right , everything fades over time .

So make sure that what you're doing is not just for the moment but is also valuable in the future . And that's like how you spend your money , how you spend your time , how you spend your energy , how you spend your thoughts , and make sure that what you're pouring into and what you're pouring into yourself is valuable and you're going to see the return out of .

And that also goes into your passion . Like , don't get caught up in doing everything all at once . That was something I had to learn with racing is . When I was growing up , i was playing a bunch of sports baseball , basketball , soccer , golf , snow skiing , all that And those were all things that I really enjoyed .

And I got caught up every once in a while of like , well , should I just quit racing and be a basketball player ? Like I need to do it all . And I think that if you just enjoy it for what it is , take what you can from it and give everything that you can 100% , but don't get caught up in doing everything all at once .

There's a balance there , and so I think I guess learning the balance is tricky and easier said than done , but yeah , i think that's a good thing to learn . As well .

As you know , career and life Like there's , there's so many things outside of racing for me And there's a lot of things I want to achieve outside of racing , and balancing those also helps me inside of my career . You know , you're only as good as you are balanced . Those are the three or four lessons that I would pass on to someone .

Speaker 1

Well , those are great . I mean , we we paused and we did that question a little bit And but I think the answer you gave is what young people need to hear . Wrapping up here . Stingray Rob , tell my listeners how to find you because I want I have a lot of non racer friend . I , i , i drug one of them off to the 500 this year and he had a great time .

We've taken some to the Texas Speedway trying to introduce racing to some of my non racer friends . That's awesome . Tell , tell my friends and my listeners how to find you so they can follow you .

Speaker 2

Yeah , stingray Rob is my name . Rob is with two B's , but I'm on all social media at Stingray Rob and I think Twitter's at stings underscore bay , underscore Rob . And then , if you want to watch the racing , it's the indie lights presented by Cooper tires on Peacock TV app , and so I think our schedule is online and you can watch live on the app .

Peacock's got great coverage , so that's the best way you can follow the racing . And then , if you want to follow me , instagram , facebook those are probably the two best off , there you go .

Speaker 1

And I only have one request as we wrap this up And when you win the Indy 500 , we'll have another conversation You won't forget about Dan

Road Trips and Future Plans

, the road trip guy . Okay , i like it . That sounds good Yeah .

Speaker 2

I appreciate road trips , i think as much as you do , and that might be saying something . But yeah , i think windshield time is where you get to know someone , and so use it wisely and do it often .

Speaker 1

Hey , i wish you all the best . The rest of season We'll be watching you . You're solid in second place And but I think next year I can't wait . I can't wait to see you in a big Indy car .

Speaker 2

Thank , you I appreciate it .

Speaker 1

I hope you enjoyed this episode of Dan the road trip guy And we look forward to having you back again next time . In the meantime , if you want to find me , you can find me on the internet at Danny d a n n y neal in e a l Dot com . Until we meet up again , keep having conversations and keep driving .

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