This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform. So we've been trying to get Dave Williams on the show. He's been on the show many times before, but we've been unsuccessful in booking him to talk about whether he should stay or go as
party chair. I believe he should leave his party chair, that he's become a great asset for the left. He's doing a lot of damage to conservative causes, and I believe it's time for him to go. And more importantly, some prominent Republicans do. They believe they have the vote. So we want to get Dave on to present the other side. We've had no success with that, so we're grateful to have Tim Leonard, a former state rep on who disagrees with me and believes that Dave should stay in the job.
So we've had two segments together already. Obviously I won't repeat what's happened in those two segments. You can pick them up off of the podcast as well. We're going to continue the conversation from there. Briefly, what we've touched on is the Colorado GOP, at Dave's direction, presumably putting out the God Hates Flags, that Hates Flags email, which my personal opinion and belief, is clearly aligning with the horrific Westboro Baptist Church insidious God Hates fag slogan.
In fact, it's their website. My opinion, Dave is openly aligning with them, and at that point it should be a no brainer that he has to leave as party chair now. Also, we've been talking about the Colorado Republican Party putting out the tweet burn all the Pride flags this June. Again, I think that in and of itself means that Dave cannot continue as party chair for lots of different reasons, including the very important First Amendment issues involved
here. But bottom line for me, and then will turn it over to Tim, bottom line for me is and I think Tim and I agree on this. The point of the Colorado Republican Party, and it's a critical one, is to win, is to win so we can stop bad things and accomplish good things. And the overararching question that I pose to our friend Tim, as we debate this is how does any of this that Dave is doing do anything other than undermine our candidates and help the left defeat conservatism. Tim,
thank you for coming back for another segment. So yeah, just take and run. Tell me why you think Dave should stay as party chair. Super So we have talked about two pictures in the two emails that he's put out. But here's what we need to talk about. Because I do have the opps of you. I think Dave has been the best party chair.
I think he has unified the party and he has strengthened the candidates because one of the things that the party chair has to do is to say, listen, if you're going to run as an R and people are going to vote for you, and you're going to put our brand on, you better believe in, promote and defend our principles. And many many times, you know very well, we've had plenty of ours that maybe come from D districts.
Well they're D people, but they come from our districts. So they put an R in their name and then they go in and promote co aboard or any other concepts that are good for Democrats. But yet the Republicans, that's what's on their tag. But what Dave is doing is he is saying, here's our principles that you all have agreed on. So let me said, Hey, we are focused on protecting the innocence of children and stopping trans aggressors
from our children. That is, come and stand right out of a resolution that in April we all passed unanimously, all the Republicans in Colorado that we represented their pass unity. We want that. We want Dave to stand and tell our candidates and tell our voters that says, this is what we want.
We want to protect their innocence. And because this is one of the things we would agree on, no pedophilia, grooming and prostration and mutilation and all this lude behavior at these homosexual parades and drag shows that children come participate, use all the pictures in those emails. That's the thrust of it. And what did they do? He went on offense. He took that ball, that hand grenade for the Democrats and handed it right to them and say,
go ahead, defend this. This is your guys platform. You guys are the ones that stand for all this stuff. Why don't you defend it? But like John Caldera says, Republicans can screw anything up in a circular firings. God, what happens Republicans grab the hand grenade out of the Democrats and start to pass it around themselves. Oh, I can't believe he's saying, meet, I can't believe. Well, we shouldn't judge. We're all sinners. And what are the dums doing right now? They're just enough hand
in us shovels and say, you guys, go at it. So the problem of here is it's not days, it's the reaction that republic things who don't follow the party platform half because if they would just let it go and go yeah gums, Why do you answer this? Why are these people doing these tweeks in the streets in front of these kids? Why are you after kids? Why are you going in the schools. Why do you have these
clubs these schools. Why are you trying to confuse them with all this gendercup Why are you castrating them and giving a period of bocket block is that you can't reverse for the rest of your life. You'll never have told me for the rest of your life. Why are you doing that? And no matter who they are, everybody shouldn't standing up saying yes, that's the truth. Well but Tim, Tim, and you can pick it up from there.
But I'm eight points into your case right now, and you can stay all day and all day tomorrow and we'll get to every one of those points, and I believe that I can essentially rebut every one of them. But let's start with that one. Tim. Wait a second, Hey, everybody I know in conservative circles is working very very hard to defeat this radical LGBTQ agenda that we talk about in these policy terms, and they're doing Tim. I'm sorry, man, I got to finish this point. I gotta finish this
point. And all these people are out there, most of them working very very hard to win these issues, whether it's in the court for religious liberty and freedom and parental rights, whether it's on air like we do on this show exposing what this radical left administration is doing to try to further the disfigurement of children. We work very hard to do that. Your hero Dave Williams sits back and throws cheap shots that help the left and blow up in our
face. So it's not fair to act as if Dave Williams is some champion out there leading the way on these issues. Nonsense. There are a ton of people out there working very hard on these issues every day in adult, mature, intelligent ways that matter. And Dave Williams is undermining the cause by sitting back there with this hateful, violent rhetoric that is only a gift to the left. So you tell me, once again, my friend, how
does this How does burn all the Pride flags in June? How does God hate flags which many people, including myself take as aligning with the evil Westboro Baptist Church, insidious God hates fags? How does that help the GOP candidates win and defeat the left? Explain that to me? Well, here's what I will explain. No, no, no, no, no, no no no no, Tim, Tim, explain that, Tim, that's at the heart of it. We agree on many of the same issues. Tim.
I'm sorry, we've had two and a half segments now of you dodging my questions. So tell me this. How does Dave's approach? Okay, I'm gonna put you on pause. You're welcome to stay, but you have to start answering questions. Let me read you some of the text we're getting here. It's just for those just joining us who think I may be a little rough in our guest. These are some of the texts we've been getting. Dan, your guest is skirting every question. Dan, your guest defending
Dave is avoidant and weak. Dan, this guy's completely unqualified. It goes on and on, tim, So please just answer the question. How does Dave's approach God hates flags wink wink to Westboro Baptist Church. I believe, in my opinion, God hates fags, that insidious slogan, burn all the pride flags in June. God hates pride, which again you can find right on the Westboro Baptist website. How does that help our candidates win and defeat the left on these issues that you care so much about, Dan, Dave
is standing up against deviant sexual behavior. We all are, we all are. Don't act like he's the only one out there. And what has he done besides throw these juvenile, self destructive bombs. What has he done on these issues? They're not juvenile though. This is where if you would give me a moment to be able to not answer some very side answer about side issue. No, Hey, we're going to hit a break Tim, we're going to hit a break. You come back and I'm going to give you
the floor. I'm going to shut up as long as you're answering the question, how does this help us win? To tweet out God hates flags? And what do you think he really meant by that? If not trying to align with Westborough? Maybe I'm wrong in my opinion, but tell me how how does Dave's burn all the Pride flags this June? How does Dave and it appears to me my opinion, essentially labeling all the Democrats groomers. How
does any of that help the GOP candidates win and defeat the left? If I'm missing something, Tim, I'm anxious to learn it, but you got to explain it. You're on the Dan Capla Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast. Hey'm very happy to have Tim Leonard with us former state Rep. CD twenty five. Tim's taking the opposite position from mine and from those within the Republican Party. You want Dave Williams removed his party chair.
We have so far been unsuccessful in our efforts to get Dave on the show to talk about that. So Tim appreciates you staying and I'm trying very hard to focus on the issue of whether what is what Dave is doing is undermining the GOP and undermining our candidates and making it more difficult for the GOP to win, and is serving as a big boost to the left. And you disagree with me on all of that, But let's break it down individually.
We're now in our fourth segment together. The first three are available on the podcast, so let's just take them one by one. The tweet god Hates Flags, which I and many others believe is directly aligning our opinion that Dave's directly aligning the Colorado GOP with the insidious Westboro Baptist Church that picket soldiers' funerals, thank God for Dead Soldiers, signs things like that their website is
the awful God Hates Fags dot com. So the God Hates Flags image that they've published on behalf of the Colorado GOP, unless you're telling us somebody else did that. Does that help the GOP win or does that hurt the GOP's efforts to win? Well, Adan, the good news is you've asked me the head about five signs, and that's the only umits you go on. No, I've asked you about all the others. Take let's use some other images. I'm the same. How about this one. Let's start with this
one. Why can't you answer that question because that's not the meat of the issue. No, no, no, no, Explain to me why that's not the meat of the issue. We've got all these We've got all these articles out there, right, all these articles out there for the persuadable voters to read that say, wait a second. The Colorado GOP now is adopting the language of Westboro Baptist Church. Every thinking human despises Westboro Baptist Church.
And it's thank God for dead soldiers, picketing the funerals of dead soldiers. So why isn't this the heart of the issue. What do you think Dave had in mind when he had the Colorado GOP tweet out God hates flags. I think we situated the fact I know nothing about Yeah, like you said, everybody, But what I do know is I do know that you've avoided the other images of DV and sexual behavior. I haven't I addressed it. No, you didn't. This is the ones you should be talking about.
To say, well, put these pictures and they're disgusting, unbelievable. These these people are after your children. Thank you, Dave for standing up. Okay, the voters, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Tip, Tim, we just did a segment on this. I'm sorry, we just did a segment on this, and what I said is, yeah, I sure as hell agree that you have some radical lefties out there who are doing terrible things to children, and they have an agenda to undermine religious
liberty and parental rights and freedom of speech. And there are a lot of us working very hard in the trenches every day to try to defeat the radical left on that. While Dave undermines undermines these causes. So let me ask you about another one. Let me add the can I just finished concenters on that one. Because these are the trenches. Dave is in the trenches.
This is called the political arena. And this is what it looks like when you fight that sexual battle, that moral sexual battle in the political arena. Got to do it this way, so God blessed the attorneys that are working on it in all different ways. But when it gets right up close and personal, it looks like this. You have to tell people these people are after your cast rating and mutilating your kids. You should be. You are, I know, very offended by that, but you're not using that Danage's
total crap. That is I'm sorry, man, you just say these bizarre things. I sit here on this show four years exposing that wrongdoing on the left, exposing the agenda of some of these radical lefties. We talk about it all the time, but I'm in it to win it. And when you downplay the role of attorneys, guess what who's going in and winning.
No, no, no, Tim, It's not about pro attorney. It's about who does the real work and who throws cheap, juvenile bombs that actually are very counterproductive because there are a lot of people doing the real work out there to try to win on these issues. Well, Dave Williams is undermining the cause. That's why you don't want to talk about You don't want to talk about the God Hates Flags thing because why because it's indefensible and it hurts
the cause. Well, if I could say, you just downplayed politicians and those that write laws. You said the real work is done over here where the attorneys are. Now, I don't know what the attorneys are doing, Tim well, then you need to pay more attention. Just like, how in the world have you never heard of Westboro Baptist Church and you've never heard of them picketing soldiers funerals with God Love's dead soldier signs. You've never heard of that. Tim. I'm sorry, but first of all, and I
want our listeners to know Tim, because you're misrepresenting. I'm going to put him on pause for a second because he's misrepresenting. There was a prior segment. We went through all of this, We went through all of these serious policy issues and all of the good people working hard in every arena to defeat the left, while Dave Williams throws these cheap rhetorical shots that undermine everybody efforts.
So I didn't limit it to lawyers. But tell me this, Tim, if you're right, then why do we have so many in the GOP right now who actually do the hard work in the trenches, like Nancy Polazzi at the Jeffco GOP, like these other I think it's twelve other county gops around the state. Are you telling me those people don't work in the trenches. They work hard in the trenches every day, many of them for more years than Dave Williams, and they want him gone. So what do you
think their true motive is? You know that our audience is also forty six affiliated. What do you think their true motive is? They don't. They don't. They lacked the fortitude to be able to carry the same thing that. Okay, so they're week. Dave's strong and they're weak. So let me I think it's the exact opposite. Sorry, Dave's just standing up for this one issue. He's this is the issue on the table today. He handed it like a gift to the Democrats and explain how that was going to
be effective. It's going to be effective because it divides the Democrats exactly where we all know, because there are crazy Democrats and there are Democrats that are leaving the party because they're too crazy, and so Dave coming out and talking about hate. So when Dave calls it has the Colorado GOP called the Democrats godless groomers. Do you agree with that statement? Do you think that helps the GOP win to label Democrats godless groomers? Well, I don't think he
said the Democrats. I think he said godless groomers. Go back to the website, my friend, because what I'm looking at is is let me point out to the listeners. Colorado Republican Party reposted a post from not the Bee Colorado GOP calls for burning of pride flags, calls democrats godless group. So the Colorado Dave Williams is not trying to hide from labeling democrats godless groomers. The Colorado GOP reposted that do you agree with that statement? Here's a statement
the month. Okay, we're going to hit this break. I just read it to you. I just read it to you verbatim off the website. Tim, please address this during the break. Go look at Twitter GOP Twitter. I quoted it for batim. Do you agree with the Colorado GOP posting that? You're on the Dankpla show. You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. We spent a lot of time on this show talking about whether Dave
Williams should be removed as party chair. We've been unable to get Dave on the show to talk about this, even though he's been on many times before. There are many Republicans in Colorado now who want to remove Dave as chair and Nancy Pelosi's been on with us from Jeff go Gop, who is helping to lead that charge. She believes she's ultimately going to have the votes, but that it will be close. We'll find out together. So since we've been unable to get Dave on, we put out the call for anybody who
wanted to come in and make the case for Dave. And we're grateful to Tim Leonard for coming in. He's been on with us now for four full segments, and I told him he's welcome to stay throughout the entire show if he'd like. So I'm not going to go back and try to summarize the ground we've already covered. It would take too long, but we'll pick it up from here. So my main theme has been, first of all, do you agree with this stuff Dave is saying, which I think is in
many ways so hateful and wrong. And then separate apart from that, do you think this helps our candidates win or do you think it undermines them? And I think Tim and I disagree on virtually all of this. So Tim, picking up where we left off out of the break. I don't know if you've got a chance to look at Twitter and see the tweet I was referring to where the Colorado Republican Party reposted that, not the b tweet,
which has twenty eight thousand views at this point. Colorado GOP calls for burning of Pride flags, calls democrats quote godless groomers. Do you think that it's fair it's accurate for the Colorado GOP to label democrats godless groomers? Okay, Dan, can we do a ground role here for a second, just because
we have it's a yes or no question. No, We've been through four segments, so it's a yes or no question, Tim, And that's been the frustration through these segments is you won't answer my fair, direct, yes or no questions. I know you say they're fair and direct, but let me just tell you, well, let's start with this one. Explain why this question is not fair and direct. I have a battle of ideas and
you say we're going to clash, we have battle videos. But instead I've seen your wonderful expertise as a cross examined litigator, and that's what you have done through this. You've litigated me. You have only posed the questions that you on, even those ones you introduced and said, hey, is this helped the party? Do you believe what's dan, what Dave has done is good for the party. Give me those questions. Let me be able to
make my statement of why I think Dan is great for the party. Instead, you're you're giving me a tweet from Twitter and yeah, from the Colorado GOP. Important. I don't have anything to say on that. Okay, well find yourself someone who has Wait a second, tim if you are here to say Dave should remain his chair and that the reason that all these good people in the party want to remove him is the public statements the Colorado GOP
has made. But you're unwilling to discuss the public statements the Colorado GOP has made. Then what are we here for. I'm here to say it, Okay, So i will absolutely do those things, and I've Kim, I've I want to do it. And I'm looking at a statement from Chairman Dave Wins sent out as an email, the one with the eyes of Jesus right, and I'm going to read it. It says the month of June has arrived and once again the godless groomers in our society want to attack what is
decent, holy and righteous so that they can ultimately harm our children. Now, somebody put democrat in there. You repeated it. I'm not saying you're at fault Dand, but somebody put democrat in there, but Dave did not. Well, we are godless groomers using the month of June in pride to attack what is decent and holy and innocent in our children. Let's talk about both. But first I've got to clarify the record, Tim, No, No, it's the Colorado GOP that decided to repost and and are you familiar
with Twitter how it works? I am, I don't know, Okay, So what happened here? Words and you keep them going, yeah, yeah, So what happened here is the Colorado GOP adopted this tweet by reposting it. And the tweet says Colorado GOP calls for burning of Pride flags. And you agree that the Colorado GOP called for burning to Pride flags. Right, Well, I'm looking at I'm looking at a that's flame one you said, yes, okay, and then it goes on that's feeling others in violence that
you said, and it goes on calls democrats godless groomers. So the Colorado GOP reposted this, which is, oh my gosh, that's Dan. Then you just go but you have to do if you were in the courtroom and somebody did that, you'd go your honor. Come on, No, no, no, I don't know what courtrooms you go in. Tim. Every single juror would agree that, yeah, you're ifspurt. But if they repost it, they adopt it. And and they they're not trying to refute it.
They're not trying to rebut it. He's bragging about it. But let's go to what you Let's go to what you will concede. Okay, and I say exhibit see right from the horse's mouth you say objection. Oh no, I want to talk about it. I want to talk about it, and I want to ask you. Okay, let's talk about godless groomers. Okay, who are they? Tell me? Right now? Tim, the Colorado GOP puts out this statement, which you agree is Dave Williams right the
month of June. I'm looking at the email, right, that's okay, gear of all of Nancy Plazi's everything, everything they said, this triggered us. We want to that's what we draw the line. No they no, no, no, tim that just isn't fair. I've had around multiple times. You're misrepresenting her position. They zero win that the people who want to remove zero in on multiple things Dave has done to undermine the party. This
is one of them. So explain it to me. This email that says the month of June has arrived, and once again the godless groomers in our society want to attack what is decent, holy and righteous so they can ultimately harm our children. You agree that I'm quoting that correctly? Right? I do? Okay? Who are the godless groomers? Who agree? Godless groomers? They are the people that put underpants on and walk in the street and jiggle in front of children's eyes. Okay, Well, didn't he need to
say that then, because it isn't the message that well? Right, But he's got the pictures, all right, all right, what it looks like. So so let me ask you, my friend. Let me ask you, my friend. When Dave tweets out Colorado Gop tweets out the month of
June has arrived. That's referring to Pride months, right, that's right, okay, And once again the godless groomers in our society want to attack, right, So at that point, can you blame anybody out there, including these voters we're trying to persuade, for thinking that the Colorado GOP is tweeting out that gays are godless groomers. WHOA, no, no, no, yeah, I don't nobody would think that, right? You just you just
said gay? All right? Did you tell us? You tell us when when the GOP tweeted those When the GOP put those words out, you're telling me the GOP was unaware that anybody would think the GOP meant gaze as a whole. You okay, But I'll tell you what your listeners know. They know that godless groomers are attacking their children, and they know that Pride Month is over the top. And what percentage of gays do you think are groomers?
I don't know? Yeah, what do you see? This is this is where my friend you and Dave are hurting the cause and losing elections because guess what that guess what, the vast majority of gays are not groomers. You have a radical segment out there back by this administration that are trying to
indoctrinate. They are trying to undermine parental rights. They are trying to undermine religious liberty, and Dave Williams is handing them a victory by implying that all gays are groomers, and you're the ones you're defending the ones you say, oh, these are gays, but not groomers. They should be running to the front and go. Dave is right on, right on. We're good people and we hate these groomers giving gays a bad name. Yeah, and
they should be right out there for where are the silent? We're the dem Yes. So how does this help explain to us? Then? How does this help the Colorado GOP win? How does this help the Colorado GOP win? Now? Are you going to let me make the satement? Yeah, but do it after the break and for those who just joined us, by the way, because we're up against our break. This is like our sixth segment of the show. And I keep coming back to. Okay, tell
us how this particular statement by the Colorado GOP God hates flags. Many take it as a thinly veiled reference to the horrific God Hates Fags of Westboro Baptist Church. God Hates Pride, also off the Westborough Baptist Church. You can find that on their website at all as well, burn all the Pride flags this June. How does all of this help the GOP win? How does it help the GOP persuade unaffiliateds you need to win? How does this actually
help us serve the cause by running the left out of office? I think it's a gift to the left, and Tim will tell you why he sees it the other way. I hope on the other side. You're on the Dan Capla Show and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. A lot of Republicans Wante Williams removed as party chair. Nancy Pelasi has joined us to say that she thinks they're going to have the votes to do that, but it's going to be a close vote. We've asked Dave on multiple times so
far. Note response Tim Letard, former state rep and CD twenty five kind enough to join us, taking the position that Dave should remain as party chair, and timsman with us for the last four or five segments, and so we continue our conversation. My constant refrain is, Okay, how does what Dave is doing help us win? My premise and the premise of the Republicans who want him gone is he's undermining our chance to win and he's helping the
left win. Tim disagrees. So Tim continuing that conversation, My friend, this burn all the pride flags, this June tweet with the image of the flame, the active of an image of the flame, which has received so much attention here and nationally. How does this help the GOP win over the unaffiliated? You need help us win elections? Well, hey, just a quick note. I'm was a representative of h D Best. It's all right,
I just just because I thought it was a typo. But so you're the question of is this something that divides the party, unites the party gets more Republicans elected. Here's what these emails mean because they're at the heart of a philosophical issue that does belong in the public arena, and because it's come here. It wasn't this way twenty five years ago, but it's come in
front of the public arena before. According to all the things we've body talked about, this issue is good for candidates, it's good for Republicans, it's good for unaffiliates who say I'm going to vote Republican. Why Because I watched this issue, this radical issue of pedophilia and grooming. I watch them defend it and they can't because it's indefensible. Of course, and my children this is a major issue for me. So it divides THEMS. It brings those
people each other. Republican party and its strength is a Republican party. The Republicans that are in go. Finally, we have candidates that are on point, we have issues that are on point, and we are dividing the Democrats. We are finally in the stride that we need. And that's what they're doing. Ok let's take that piece. Okay, let's take that piece. Wait a second. I agree that this is a great issue for Republicans when it's pursued right, But my question to you didn't go to whether this is
a great issue for Republicans. It is because what the radical left is doing on this issue is so awful. And I talk about it all the time on the show. Lots of people on the right do very hard work on this on multiple fronts all the time. What I'm talking about is how does this tactic that the Colorado GOP under Dave Williams has adopted of sending out a tweet. This tweet doesn't have pictures, it doesn't have anything else. It
just says, burn all the Pride flags. This, to my premise, is doing something like this undermines all the good arguments that we have, all the good ways we have to make this a winning issue for Republicans and help protect religious liberty, freedom of speech, parental rights children. Undermines all of that by making us look like a bunch of haters who are calling for people
to commit violent acts and infringe on the free speech of others. So please tell me this tweet burn all the Pride flags this June with the flame image. How does that help Republicans win? This is the litigator. You can't help. You're so good getting to the truth. No, that's what I
do in court. Now let me ask you, Tim, because you made that comment a couple of times, do you really think all these judges all over the state and everywhere else I practice, what would allow me to go on for one second on cross examination unless I was actively getting to the truth. Of course they would not. I'm just trying to pin you down on something. You're avoiding the underlying issue. We agree, great issue for Republicans, but this tactic, burn all the Pride flags this June with an active
flame. Please tell us we only have a minute left in the show. How does this tweet help Republicans win? Dave's standing between the government and these godless groomers and children and their parents is a winning message to all the voters, all the vote Democrats. So this call to burn the Pride facts. Okay, that's exactly what he's saying. He's listing the groomers, he's listening to the pedophilia, he's listening all this deviant behavior lude conduct. That's the
issue that we have not been talking about. We talk about it all the time on this show, my friend. We do the hard work on this show. Lots of Republicans do the hard work in the trenches. Lots of Republicans want Dave Williams gone because he blows up all their hard work with a stupid tweet like this that looks like a call to violent action. By the way, this tweet I'm looking at, Tim, this tweet doesn't have any of the other points in there that you're trying to make. It doesn't have
any of the other pictures. It just appears to a lot of reasonable people in the middle is if the Colorado Republican Party has lost its mind and is causing on people to go out and start burning Pride flags and you can't see that, well, that's obviously the most important issue to do. No No. By the way, those who have just joined us, I've touched on six or seven other things. Tim really appreciates your time. Appreciate the fact the music means that we don't have a choice. We're going to be out.
Tim appreciate you coming on. Dave has not been willing to. I appreciate you doing that, and hopefully Dave will himself someday soon. So thank you Tim for that. Ryan, great job behind the glasses always, Kelly, you're the best. Anxious to get your take on all of this and more. More indications that Biden is looking for a way out of this race and may use Hunter as the excuse. Join me tomorrow at Fork