This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform. Wow. A week from today, right, hard to believe. Probably the most consequential quote debate that we've had in our lifetime. You can argue Nixon, Kennedy and yeah, you make
pretty strong argument for that. But given the direction America is going to take, depending on what whether Trump or the Democrat nominee it won't be Biden, whoever it's going to be will be, then, yeah, i'd make the case a week from today, June twenty seven is going to be Numero uno
in the debate categories. So each and every day now i'd spend every day talking about it, but each and every day we're going to be talking about different pieces of that looking ahead and different commentary and your take on what you you know, what you would be asking if you could ask each candidate, but what do you want to see Trump do and not do? So we're
gonna have a little taste of that today as well. I'm really really happy to see this headline on CNN News right now, which is Trump meeting with VP candidates and advisors to prepare for debate. That is just music to my ears because if Donald Trump prepares in a traditional way for this debate, he will win, and win big. Because of the debate, I mean, the Biden. It's kind of like a circus factor with Biden, right he's not going to be their nominee. It'll be interesting to see what they've got
him jacked up on. And you know, if he's doing the angry old man thing, which he will like the State of the Union. But it's really not even about Biden. It's about people sizing up Trump and are we going to get the A Trump? Because if America gets the A Trump next Thursday, you know, at that point, that's all they need to see. Because people are smart. I mean, first, the vast majority of
folks who are persuadable don't believe what they hear from the left. And they probably you know, just take with a grain of salt what they hear from the right, but they believe their eyes, they believe their life, they believe what they're feeling and experiencing and everybody knows they were better off and we were all better off under Trump, and so now it's just about they want to size up Trump and see, hey, you know, is he is he still sharp? Is he stable? You know all those things right that
any reasonable person would want to see before they made that decision. So it's all about Trump on the twenty seventh. Biden's kind of a circus side show. And so yeah, when I see that headline about Trump preparing with advisors and VP candidates, et cetera, that warms my heart because if he does traditional preparation, Yeah, if he decides to just wing it, say a prayer, hope for the best, eight five five for is two to five to five the number text d A N five seven seventh three nine. And
listen, I'm not doubting his improvisational skills, not at all. He's obviously a quick, brilliant guy. He can be extremely funny. He's got all these great accomplishments to talk about. I'm not doubting any of that. I'm just saying that if you want the a Trump, it's just going to take that real preparation because this format is this format, and you got to be able to deliver within that format. So do you think he's going to prepare
Ryan, I mean, like really prepare the way he should. Well, I cut this quote that you had me hmm dig out for Maggie Haberman New York Times, and she seems to know him well. For some reason, he's kept her in his orbit, which I think is much to his detriment. But that this guy, that's the type. He doesn't like to study for a test, right, He thinks it's kind of wasted time. He doesn't take it seriously. The preparation. Again, I think that's to his
disadvantage. But maybe the humility might set in from what happened in that first debate against Biden. You pointed it out the time he had COVID it seemed like he was still in the throes of it, the after effects of it. He kept interrupting Biden. It was not a good look and he needs to do better than that. Megie's got her theory. Do you know in pastor did he do mock debates? I mean, did he have somebody playing
somebody else? Well, Chris Christy I played a version of Hillary Clinton and he played a version of Biden. In twenty twenty and then twenty sixteen before that, So yeah, I mean those were Look, Trump doesn't like prep, I mean, he considers it school. So the fact that they've gotten him to do it this way is actually pretty revealing and also speaks to the fact that I think he knows that this has to go well for him.
He has said to people multiple times that he knows that he interrupted too much in the first debate with Biden in twenty twenty, and having just rewatched that debate recently, it's really striking. I Mean, we all talked about it at the time, but Biden could barely get a word in edgewise, and
Biden was kind of smiling throughout as this was happening. Yeah, and I'm so so glad actually to hear that, right, that the president's aware, because listen, none of us are perfect, right, no matter how good you are or I am, or Ryan is, whatever we're best at, there's still going to be times we're not our best at whatever we're best at. And so the fact that Trump has this awareness and that people around him are willing to shoot straight about when he screws up, that's great. He's
less likely to repeat it. That's why I've been saying it. It really helps him that they're going to be turning the mic off when it's not your turn. I mean that helps him do what he needs to do that night to win over the people he needs to win over. And all this talk about how he's going to wander over there next to Biden and stand next to Biden, I think is utter nonsense. Now, speaking of which, this little tidbit of what seems like trivia just got reported about the debate, and
I think it's fascinating. Let me ask you, Ryan, assuming you haven't seen it yet, Joe Biden wins the coin flip. Which has happened? Did you see that story? No way, he won the coin flip for CNN's debate. But but if I could point the old two sided coin two headed coins. But here's the question for you. We know now that he won the coin flip, so he got the choice between which podium to stand at the left side or the right side, or whether he would go last
in the debate. Which do you think he chose? And why podium position? Because he wants the same layout that he had in that first debate that he won, so that would put him on the right side of the stage as the viewer seeing it. Yeah, he chose podium position, which to me is really intriguing, and there had to be a reason behind it,
because giving up the last word is giving up a lot. Because in a trial in Colorado, I represent victims plaintiffs, we have the burden of proof, so we get to go in closing argument first and last, and that ability to go last, and if the other side has misrepresented or God bid lied, to be able to expose that and blow it up is an enormous benefit. So Biden gives up the ability to go last just to choose which side of the stage he stands on. I'd love to hear from people on
this. What do you think is behind that? Da N five seven seven three nine or eight five five four zero five eight two five five the number. I'm glad he made that decision because I'm really glad Trump gets to go last and responds to nonsense and lies from Biden. Yeah, so got that going for us, right. The other really really really tremendous development I think for Trump pre debate is that the polls have have turned against him a little
bit, just a little bit. Not talking about some big dramatic swing, but enough at this point that I think it's gonna make him more serious about the debate prep if he wasn't already, Like the Fox News Paull right, he'd been a point and now he's down two or something like that, And you see a number of polls across the board where maybe he's lost a point
or two. So, you know, given given you know this wrongful conviction on these felony accounts and everything he was exposed to there, maybe that isn't a big surprise. My belief is still that he will benefit tremendously from that
over the course of the campaign. But all I'm saying is I think it's good incentive for him to work even harder to prepare for this debate and to shine in the debate, because if he does that a week from tonight, Yeah, nothing's ever over till it's over, right, But that's a big step toward over. So love to hear from me on all that. We're going to be talking as well about State of Louisiana. Now, first state to make it mandatory to have the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms? Do
you want to do that here in Colorado as well? Eight five five four zero five A two five five techs d A N five seven seven three nine and now back to the Dan Kaplish podcast. Well, I think given the song seasons coming up the Ten Commands, who we need to hail Mary, it would be, you know, much more appropriate for what we face were here. I don't know which one are gonna put up there ten different versions of there Ten Commandments, and our school are so underfunded that I'm not sure
I have the kids even how to read them. James Carville talking about New Louisiana law that makes it mandatory to have the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. Should we be doing that here in Colorado? I'm very much looking forward to that conversation with you, and obviously it gets into constitutionality issues. But for those who say, hey, wait, no, this is long decided you can't have the Ten Commandments up in that public place or that classroom,
they are just wrong. I mean, that is not the state of law. You have Supreme Court law on this, and it has come down on both sides depending upon the particular display. But those who are under the impression that the Supremes have said no, you can't post that those Ten Commandments at a courthouse or in a public school, whatever. It's not that simple. So we'll get into that in a bit eight five to five for zero five
A two five five the number text DN five seven seven three nine. I take one text on that before we get back to the phone lines treated as an open lines Thursday. But here we've got a text, Dan, would you be fine having passages from the Quran in all of the classrooms? No? I would not be, and there would not be a legitimate basis for
that. So if you had the same law at this point put up passages from the Quran in all of the classrooms in Louisiana, I think it'd be blatantly unconstitutional because you wouldn't have any reason to put up passages from the Quran and all of those Louisiana classrooms unless it was religiously motivated. And the Supreme Court has been clear that no. If something is religiously motivated, say the
Ten Commandments. If if the primary motive for putting the Ten Commandments up in those Louisiana courtrooms, I want to say, Ryan, right when I was a third grader, it was like a courtroom in there I was judged every day and usually judged poorly and harshly by a tremendous teacher, sister, and felice was a gift from God to my life. But anyway, that aside. So if the motivation for putting the Ten Commandments up in the classroom is
primarily religious, no you can't do it. It's on constitutional there's Supreme Court
law on that. But if there's another motivation, say a secular moral message, or they reflect the moral history and tradition of your state, then yes you can legally put those up. You could not make that argument and you know, no disrespect to our Muslim brothers and sisters, but you could not make that argument for the Quran because in the state of Louisiana, just like the state of Colorado, it is not is a matter of history, provable
of history. It's not been part of the historical bedrock development of the state of Louisiana or the state of Colorado the Quran. No disrespect to the Koran or are Muslim fronts. But certainly the Ten Commandments have been a bedrock part of the moral tradition and history separate apart from religion. They've just been a bedrock part of those core moral beliefs of many states. And so if the
motivation for the display is that, well then it's perfectly legal. And it's a case by case determination based on a lot of the surrounding facts, et cetera, as to what is the primary motivation religious or the underlying moral tradition of the state, a secular moral message, etc. Rosio, you're on the Dan Capitalist Show. Welcome ill Dan. Now, as to the ten commandments that that I think should be put a you all that that's that's just enough. One. Now, as to this debate, Trump can play this
really smart and he's a good chess player. We know that nine thinks two moves ahead or three ahead of his opponent? Is that this with COVID and all here under estimated? How is opponent one? Rozsio? Let me ask you. Let me ask you, Rozsio, is how old are you? Forty four? Okay? You sound like a spry forty four? Is there one Rossio or is there more than one Rossio? This one? Okay? This one okay? And does that one Rossio have more than one what would
you call it? Personality? More than one? M o? Can can that one rossio be a much different Rossio on a different day. I wear many hats dependent on that subject. Okay, see, and thank you for that, and thank you for a great call, my friend. Want to get everybody in. That's the point. Wait a second, Donald Trump. Donald Trump has different sides, right he is. There are different versions of
Donald Trump depending on the day. And if we get the disciplined Donald Trump, who built a real estate empire, who did the things necessary to become president of the United States, those things that actually caused him to win. If we get the disciplined, prepared Donald Trump, then that Donald Trump is going to win, and it's only a matter of by how much. But there's also the undisciplined, unprepared wing it Donald Trump. And if we get
that version, hey, it's going to be entertaining. But lord knows where it's going to fall. Right, Am I wrong about that? Ryan Kelly? Any flaw on that launchic coming, and maybe even more so than any candidate we've seen in our lifetimes, there are these two Donald Trump's. It
doesn't mean he's not authentic. In fact, authenticity as part of his appeal, but there are these dramatically two versions of Donald Trump, and this debate outcome will be determined by which one we get, and that will be determined not a week from now, That'll be determined today. Because if it's the discipline Donald Trump, who's going to prepare the way he did, you know, to succeed in big business deals, et cetera. That's happening now.
Well, you just said the key word discipline. He's always been in one of his strengths that is a double edged sword. That can also be a weakness. Consistently inconsistent, a mavericky kind of unpredictable, volatile element, a radioactive isotope of swords, and sometimes that serves to his benefit because you'd be in jail to Hillary Clinton. It was a classic drop to Mike moment that came out of nowhere. It was he's got great instincts. But they sorry
to interrupt, but remember the rest of that town hall style debate. He was very, very good throughout. Yes, he was disciplined. You could tell he was even disciplined about his movements as opposed to the first debate in sixteen and in twenty his first debates were disasters, and then he rallied in the later debates in sixteen. In the later debate in twenty again, I would I would be very interested to hear the closed door sessions he has with
his handlers who were helping him to prepare. I got to imagine that will no longer include Chris Christy, but just how they're able to harness him, if at all, because he's so resistant to that. What a great question. Who on the face of God's earth would you get to stand in for Biden in debate prep. You'd have to go to they. Tom Shalou from Guttfeld. He doesn't spot on Joe Biden. Shalou, No, but I'm talking up. Wait a second, because you've got to You've got to to
be able to be that debate prep partner. You have to have their mannerisms, you have to have their pace, you have to talk the way they're likely to talk. Yeah, I stand by my nomination for that. You gotta watch Guttfeld. If you have time for Morning Joe and that crap, you've got to watch a good show in Gutfeld on Fox News. Dan, I have limited time, but I spend it looking at what the opponent is saying, so you're better prepared to to defeat those arguments. Well, that's
a good point. Yeah, but I'm just saying you're missing out because this guy does a spot on Joe Biden impersonation. He even has the same face and he puts make up he looks like him too. Okay, no, no, maybe maybe that works. I do want to get to this text, Dan, outside of a Christian type religion, where do you find the Ten Commandments? We are going to teach second graders to not covet thy neighbor's
wife, give me a break. There is a great answer to that question, and there's tremendous evidence in examples of the Ten Commandments on display all over America in situations and circumstances that are not primarily religious. Jeff Crank Next, you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. Hey, we're talking about state Louisiana. First state ever to say you've got to have the Ten Commandments displayed
in every public school classroom. And a lot of people say, hey, that's automatically unconstitutional, that thing's going to get struck down, Crickerton whatever. And I just want people to know there's a very very powerful legal argument in favor of upholding that Louisiana law. We'll get to that in a bit. Hey really happy to have Jeff Crank with us. He's running for Congress. He's in a Republican primary right now down in CD five. He and Dave
Williams are squaring off there. Jeff want a very enthusiastic endorsement from a paper I respect greatly. The Colorados brings good zet. Hey, Jeff, welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show. Dan, thanks for having me. It's always great to be with you. Well. Appreciate that we've invited Dave as well separately, and so far I've not had an acceptance, but the invitation remains open. So he start with the state of the race. Man, can't believe it's almost Tuesday already. Where do things stand? Well, you
know, I can't either. I'm so happy that we're Oh, I bet listen. I hate primaries. Primaries are terrible. I want to get out there and fight the left, you know, I don't want to fight people in my own party. But no, I think we're in really good shape and I feel very good about where we are. We've run a great campaign.
We've raised just under six hundred thousand dollars in this primary and about in you know, just under six months here, and you know, we've gotten our message out to secure the border, fix the Biden's broken economy, and you know, keep fighting for people's freedom and their liberty. And of course, Jeff well known to many many people in the district from a lot of
years of really good, high quality talk radio and other accomplishments. Kind of curious, how how is that playing out in the race, Like, what are you finding out there in the real world? Your years on air? Is that making the difference? I think it makes well, I think it does, and I'm glad you brought that up. In fact, this will be encouraging to you for when you run for Pension of the United States.
Dan, call my wife, thank you. You know what. I go around and I knock on doors and people will say, you know, I got this mail piece about you, but I don't believe it because we've been friends a long time. Listen to Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, And you know how people feel when you're on the radio that they just kind of have a personal relationship with you that they've built over the years, and so I think that's really helping us. Dave's been pretty nasty. He sent out
stuff. I know there's a male piece that hit today that I saw, and it said that, you know, I'm I'm a never Trumper, and I'm for amnesty and all this kind of nonsense. Of course none of that is true, but I think people see through that as nonsense. Oh they have to, right, Jeff. I mean, I would think anybody who'd believe, and you see so much of this now in so many different forms,
in so many different races. I just think people believe that kind of stuff they get in the mail are probably already supporting the other guy or gal. I can't imagine that anybody would look at something they get in the mail that makes those kind of allegations and say, oh, yeah, yeah, that must be true. I'm going to vote that way. But no. And the thing about radio, as you well know and everybody listening knows because
they choose to listen, is that there's nowhere to hide. Right. It's not like TV, where okay, you got maybe a thirty second hit and you can get away with being a phony for thirty seconds, no offense to our TV friends, most are very genuine, But radio there's nowhere to hide. I mean, they're going to know the real you, whether they like it or not. Well, And you know what, I spent fourteen years on radio, and actually longer than that if you take some of the guest
hosting time and other shows and stuff. But you know, fourteen years on the radio, you would think that if I was as bad as Dave says I am, that they would have a lot of clips out there. Are you being liberal and saying liberal? They don't because I didn't say them, So they have to kind of make stuff up. Yeah. I can't believe that's going to work. I can't believe that made up stuff is going to work in many races anywhere, but especially not with a guy like you,
who's so well established in other ways. But it's Jeff Crank for Congress Crink, Jeff Crank for Congress dot com. So what is kind of the hurt to hurt elevator pitch say for those handful of folks who haven't made up their mind yet or maybe they're just dialing in because they got a real life and the primaries and the biggest thing in their life. Yeah, what do you say to him when you've got thirty seconds? Yeah? Well, first and foremost, I mean, we've got to fix the border. And it's a
broken border. We've got a whole Iiden administration accountable for not upholding the law, and we've got to get it fixed. And I'm for building Donald Trump's wall. I'm for you knowing more border patrol agents and getting border security in place. We got to fix Biden's folken economy, and you know, it's hurting Americans. Americans are having to make difficult choices right now because of bad
decisions by the Biden administration. And then lastly, you know, this community, Colorado Springs in Opaso County is so affected by the defense industry, and you know, I just have decades of experience dealing with that and working to keep Fort Carson open and installations in our community, and that stuff matters. You know, my opponent, he just doesn't even really talk about those issues because you know, he knows that he just doesn't really have any experience and
and just doesn't really care about those issues. I'm going to go to DC and work hard, be a team player, build a larger majority, and work with President Trump to advance that sort of conservative cause, you know, throughout America, we got to take our country back. Is Jeff Crankar guest.
You know, I'm only one guy. But the way I always look at these congressional primaries right where you have people who maybe are aligned on almost every major issue, is Okay, which guy or gail is actually going to be most effective back there? And then I think that's kind of a race to race determination. But I look at a guy like you, and there's every reason to believe that that you would be about as effective as a congress
person. And obviously, you know, first term congress person in the beginning can be because of these skills and experiences and communication abilities and networking that you've done, etc. And so that for me, I'm always looking at, okay, you know, talk is kind of cheap, who can actually be effective on these issues? Yeah, And look, I think that's a real
difference between myself and my opponent. I mean, he's gone out, he's really curried the favor of sort of the Freedom Caucus folks, and he wants to go be the bomb thrower. He wants to go blow up the the you know, the caucus, the House of Representatives in a figurative way, of course, but he wants to be that guy that's disruptive. I don't want to go back and fight Republicans. I want to go back and build a conservative majority to cut spending and to close the border and do these sorts
of things. And the only way we can do that is to take a two seat House majority and make it a twenty seat or a thirty house majority. Don't I'm not interested in overthrowing the speaker and having fights and getting on Twitter. I'm going there to be a team player and to get stuff done and to work for the American people. Well, I have no doubt you'd be great. But hey, appreciate the time today and good luck. Hey
listen, Dan, You've been great. You've been awesome, always inviting me on, and you know you're just a beacon of solid conservative you know, you're just that guy. Well, thank you. Look to so we thank you. Thank you. My friend that is Jeff Crank And hey, let's talk after Tuesday. You got it. Thank you, Tom, thank you. Take care. Yeah, so you know we are blessed Ryan with a
ton of great conservative talent in Colorado. And you know we talked about in advance of that CD four race up there where you have a lot of really really strong candidates and yeah, I hope that if nothing else, during the primaries, it's given some of the persuadable folks in Colorado who don't wear red jersey or blue jersey. I hope it's given them a chance to see that there is a lot of super sharp conservative talent out there. On that point.
To that point Dan, where I slightly disagree with Jeff is most primaries I think are productive and they're beneficial for the voters because, like the fourth Congressional race, it properly vets the candidates. You really get a chance to see what these individuals are out all about and make an informed choice. Man, I am with you on that. I mean, you don't want the circular firing squad primary where the candidate who comes out of it is so weak
and they can't win the general. Right, But I think primaries, like everything in life, you and I, everybody, competition makes us better, It makes us sharper, and listen, we're all going to have flaws, we're all gonna have made mistakes. So primary get that stuff out there, get it out there before the general, and if the public thinks it's that big a deal, well then they can weigh in before the party chooses its candidate. No, So I'm all for that. Easy for me to say,
I'm sitting here eating peanut butter. I'm not running a primary. But I would say, I'm sitting here eating eating peanut butter, and nobody's lying about me. I'm not running primary. I'm sitting here eating peanut butter, and people are lying about me because I do a radio show. But it's tougher when you're in that arena in a primary. When we come back, I couldnot wait to talk to you about this. This state of Louisiana says, Hey, every public school classroom, you got to put up the Ten
Commandments. You got ACLU and others going crazy saying blatantly unconstitutional. Where do you come down on this? First, you know, on the legal piece, because I'm here to tell you it is not blatantly unconstitutional. I'm not sure where the supremes will come down, but let's talk about where you want them to come down. And then would you want this in Colorado? Would you want the Ten Commandments in every public school classroom the way Louisiana says to
post him and those details matter. I'll get to those after the break on the DANKPLA Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast. I would not be surprised if somehow these millions of illegal immigrants, somehow are casting votes in the swing states to make sure that Joe Biden wins this selection. Because we know that President Trump is winning on policy. We know that Joe Biden, as you guys alluded to earlier, is not going to get through this
debate. It's going to be a disaster. And this is what the Democrats are going to do. It's going to be the same way that he won in twenty twenty. They're going to prime the pump using our resources, this time our own federal tax dollars, not Mark Zuckerberg's money that was coming in from Facebook before congress Woman Tenny There from New York kate five to five for zero five eight two five five the number text d an five seven seven through
nine. If you just joined us, thank you. Maybe you're on your way to see the Stones, right? Did you know? I was part of putting on a Rolling Stones concert up at CU Boulder. This is back in my day up there yet with the Stones, though I was the only sober person there. I'm pretty convinced to that other than Barry Barry Fay Barry was sober, but I was very sober. Interesting you bring that up and
enjoyed it. Don McClain joined me on my program That's Cool, a writer of American Pie, and Tom Martino actually participated in the interview and one of the things he commented on, so Don's you know, he's coming up in the eighty Don stiff some contractors or something. No, it wasn't because of that. No. Tom was a reporter at a very young age back in nineteen sixty eight for a local newspaper in upstate New York, and that's where
Don McLean was playing. So that's the nexus of those two. But McLean swears that clean living, not drinking, not doing drugs, not smoking. That's how he's been able to keep the quality and the strength of his voice all these years. You would have to believe. I mean, how can Jagger even say his name? But his voice has always been that way, and it's always been cool. That's what's always been a part of it. That there some of them are yellers and screamers and like Rod Stewart, and
that's never been really doniclaining style. But yeah, I mean it's a great point because his voice remains very strong and very consistent. Yeah, I really wanted to meet those guys and did not get the chance to stones But yeah, yeah, did not get the chance to so I did not get to play pinball, for example, which with Mick Jagger. But I'll bet it's a great show tonight. You know, I'm really busy at work tomorrow at the law firm tomorrow, or I would go to that show tonight. I
bet it's a great show. You know, those guys will perform great at their funeral. I think they were joking and it kind of went along the lines with the spinal tap Joe that we still want to be walking rollers one with foldy, you know, and like they and I heard there are coming up on eighty. Here's the seventies, well into their seventies and doing all this. Yeah, yeah, it it's just picturing their groupies with the current group of group. But you know, then it occurred to me it's probably
hasn't changed. Eight five five four zero five eight two five the number. Hey, you hear about this Louisiana law that it's mandatory now to put up ten commandments in the classroom, And you got a lot of people saying,
slam dunk, they're going to lose in court. US Supreme Court said, no, No, A sitting here right now, if I was betting you my golf clubs, which would be a public service if I got rid of those, if I was betting you my golf clubs, I would bet you that this law withstands US Supreme Court scrutiny, that this law is upheld because it is not as simple analysis as many of the left are making it out to be right, because they're saying, hey, separation of church and state,
the Ten Commandments, they're inherently religious. You can't go put them up in a public school classroom. But here's what they're missing. And i'll tell you what I think the US Supreme Court is going to have to look like.
But really want to hear from you on this. Would you want to do this in Colorado the way they're doing it in Louisiana, and the way it matters because in Louisiana, yeah, they're putting up the Ten Commandments, but they're putting up by law that they have to put up with the Ten Commandments a context statement, and that the context statement, as I understand it, is going to point out that, hey, wait a second, that the Ten Commandments, you know, reflect the moral tradition of the state,
that the Ten Commandments are foundational documents of our state and national government. The contact statement isn't going to say get down on your knees and pray to the God I worship. And the simple, truthful, factual matter is that for most states in this nation, if not all, the Ten Commandments in fact are foundational documents, foundational documents. They are part of the moral tradition of
the state. If I haven't argued there, but I think the US Supreme Court, I think there's even Ten Commandments in the artwork above the US Supreme Court. And so that's the point. And what happens now in these cases is is the court, first, the trial court, We'll look at this and do some fact finding. They'll look into the motivation behind it, because that's what the Supreme Court is so focused on. Is it primarily because everybody, we're all human, we all have a bunch of mixed motivations. Is
it primarily a religious motivation behind posting the Ten Commandments? Or is it primarily a different motivation? Is it primarily a historic historical motivation, a secular moral message. So so at the trial court level, I imagine they'll be doing a lot of e SI discover the electronically stored information like we do in our law practice, looking at everybody's emails and things like that, to see,
Okay, what's the true motivation behind this. But keep in mind, you know, you got this whole body of Supreme Court law that says, wait, yeah, yeah, the state can't go in and say, hey, Ryan, you got to be a Christian or you got to be a Buddhist. Right, the state can't establish a religion. But also, you know, you got some pretty big amendments when it comes to freedom of religion, starting with numerouno. And the point is that you cannot be as a constitutional
matter, you cannot be hostile to religion either. So you can't just say, oh my goodness, somebody might see this religiously, we've got to throw those ten Commandments out of the park or out of the school. No, you can't be openly hostile to religion. So what's the primary motivation here? Is it religious? If so, then under Supreme Court doctrine, those ten Commandments will have to come down. But if it is. You know, hey, this is historic. This is a moral tradition of the state.
This goes back to the founding documents of our state and it gets to stay up. So would you want to see that done here in Colorado? Would you want a law it says the Ten Commandments mandatory in every classroom. You're on the Den Capital Show.