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Let the celebration continue, and no better way to do that, especially on Veterans Day with a veteran Blackhawk helicopter pilot served in the Middle East, also as a police officer for ten years in Aravada. So a veteran who served his country in that very dangerous way, but who's now serving his country in another extraordinarily important way, and that is Gabe Evans, who just pulled off the upset. He just won CD eight, so very important for Colorado and
for the nation, the GOP majority nationwide. Gabe Evans, welcome back to the Dankpla Show.
Always great to be on with you.
Well, I would hope, especially today.
I mean, before we get into all this stuff, I mean, how does it feel?
I mean, just just as a human, how does it feel?
Because this was a tough nut to crack, and your opponent had more money, your opponent had the media, your opponent had pretty much everything going for So how does it feel?
I mean, quite honestly, it's still surreal. And while all of this, you know, this national level politics is going on, I'm still Dad, which means that yesterday afternoon, after a whole bunch of phone calls, I still had to tear apart the dishwasher because the handle broke two weeks ago. And I got to go to Washington, d C. For two weeks starting tomorrow for freshman orientation. And I'm going to be in trouble if I leave a non function dishwasher.
Behind its such a How old are the kids eight and twelve? Do they get it? Oh?
They do, okay, okay? And so how did they react to the win? And I know this was drawn out just because of the how close the race was and all that, but how did they handle all that?
I mean, they've been some of my biggest campaigners. They knock on the doors with me, they go to the political events with me. When we're driving around, we talk about this race. We talk and they get it because they've also seen you know, my oldest son is old enough to remember when I was still in the military. Both of them remember law enforcement, and so they understand you know, from their their you know, eight and twelve year old perspective, what's going on in in the country
and the state and the community. They understand, you know, basic things about crime and why it's wrong to have a soft on crime approach that results in Colorado being the third most dangerous state of the nation, the number one state of the nation for bank robberies. Almost ten percent of bank robberies that happened across the country are happening right here in Colorado. And so they get it.
They understand why it's important. And of course, you know, they're eight and twelve year olds, they get sick of it too after a while and they want to go just you know, play games with dad. But they've been fantastic along this campaign trail. My wife has been an absolute rock and just so great. Thankful to everybody that's supported us along the way and keep supporting us. You know,
the work is just getting started. It's time to roll up our sleeves and get to work in Washington, d C. Now and deliver on all of these things that we talked about over the campaign trail.
Yeah, and that's certainly going to be real important. But I would expect they're very, very proud of you right now because that was such a major accomplishment, gab And and as you know, I mean, one of the reasons I'm so excited about this is that obviously you're going to be great in the job. And I do think that matters a lot because I think Colorado, you know, in significant part because of your win, is maybe some
people are going to give the GOP another look. Right Obviously they didn't CD eight, which is why you won, because they gave the GOP another look because of you. And so now they're looking at some really talented people in these jobs. And I think you, along with others who were elected to Congress and some other positions, are
going to are really going to mark the turnaround. And I think your race in particular gave I think when history looks back on this, I think your win is going to be viewed as a turning point for the GOP in Colorado back toward being competitive statewide, back toward a level of respect maybe we haven't enjoyed.
For a while. And I think it's a turning.
Point well, and we said that all along throughout the campaign that you know, Colorado right now, it's been under one party control for six years. The Democrats have controlled the House, the Senate, the governorship. You know, they've controlled seven of the ten members to the US House and the US Senate from Congress, and that level of echo
chamber and groupthink just leads to bad policy decisions. And so by flipping this seat, by being able to send a four to four delegation to Congress for Republicans for Democrats to Congress from the US House, I mean, not only does this help us at the national level, And make no mistake, like Colorado is going to be in a tremendously important position to be able to benefit from us slipping lipping this race because of the national attention
that it's brought. So we'll be able to not only just represent Colorado very effectively at the national level, but it's also going to help us here in the state level, drive that pendulum back towards center, help us have better dialogue at policies at the state level, and get a little bit out of that one party, far left echo chamber that's dominated the state for the last six years, and that unfortunately in large part, has contributed to a
lot of the negative things that we've seen the crime rates, the cost of living, the fact that, as we saw a couple of weeks ago, we get international criminal organizations trendy. Our one is wanting to set up shop in Colorado specifically because of the soft on crime sanctuary state policies.
And so by being able to flip this seat again, we drive that pendulum back towards center to a place of dialogue, of collaboration and conversation, because we're starting to break down the echo chamber that's dominated state politics for six years now.
Yeah, and in terms of Cape Evans obviously guessing in terms of effectiveness in DC. One thing that's got to help is you and Mike Johnson have to be like best bros right now, right. I mean, you guys have spent so much time together. He was so fond of you, so involved in your race. It's got to help to go in with that kind of relationship.
Again. Colorado benefits from that. I mean, pretty much every national forecaster is saying that when the few remaining uncalled House races around the country are called, Republicans are again going to have a very narrow majority in the US House and there's only I think going to be maybe four or five seats where a Democrat, excuse me, a Republican challenger such as myself was able to unseat a
Democrat incumbent. So when we're talking potentially a five seat majority in the US House, and as one of the five four or five races where a Republican challenger actually flipped the seat, that gives a lot of credibility for to me to be able to again effectively advocate for Colorado in the eighth Congressional district.
Right, you go in with some hard earned street credit. I imagine you're going to get a lot of high fives this you walked into the Capitol and head down those hallways. But yeah, I think there are so many reasons you won. But there are also the reasons I'm so optimistic about where this is going.
You know in CD eight, you know.
Year after year after year, because you were so skilled out there in the campaign trail. I mean, the job you did in that debate, the KUSA debate, when they come out, Man, they were blistering you. Kyle Clark was blistering you, and you just kept your composure. You kept it together. You were calm and super sharp and quick at the same time mentally and you were just able to parry all of that. Anybody watching that had to walk away and say this is a special talent.
Well, it was a talent that in some ways was honed. Being a police officer for ten years. One of the statistics I'm most proud of in my law enforcement career is ten years of being a cop and I only really ever got into two fights. And that's because I you know, if I need to fight, I will fight. But I put an emphasis on communicating, on collaborating, on you know, as we would say in police lingo, trying to talk them into handcuffs if you have to make
an arrest, rather than fight them into handcuffs. And so carrying those just those communication skills to the state legislature, to Congress and in all of the conversations, I think is something that I'm going to you know, I'm good at and I'm going to keep making sure that I get better at it, because when we have true conversation, when we have true dialogue and true collaboration, out of that is where you get the best policy decisions. And like I said, you know it works on the streets.
As a cop, I don't want to fight anybody. You wake up sore. There's lots of paperwork. It's dangerous. So being able to successfully result these peacefully on the streets through good communication skills, you know, that translates directly to actually being able to get things done, to be able to deliver for this district and for Colorado.
In congress Man, that is such a great point.
I had not thought of because as you were saying that gave, I was thinking to my dad. It was a thirty year Chicago police officer, big tough, strong guy, worked on the South side of Chicago, and people asked him, you know, hey, what are you most proud of? And he said, most proud of the fact I never fired my weapon. You know, thirty years the most dangerous neighborhoods like you. He was able to de escalate, manage win because you guys always have to win, right as cops.
But he was able to do it without ever firing his weapon, which is no knock on the guys and gals who have to fire the weapon. I'm just saying that was a point of pride for him, and so that makes perfect sense where you get this really impressive skill. But as you know, and I can see, you're already doing it, which is part of why you're a winner. You know, the race is on now for the twenty six cycle in that district. So how can people support you as you continue this fight.
Again. I mean, it's the same way that we ran the campaign before. As I'm out at events or on radio shows like this, or interacting with the community, I need to hear from the community. I can't do my job as a representative if I'm not getting the real world, unfiltered, raw boots on the ground, truth about what's going on,
what's happening. So as we get the office up and running and we start to be able to hire some of that congressional staff to make sure that we're providing good services to the constituents, don't hesitate to reach out. We're here to serve you. That's the job of a representative to represent the people and to be available and accessible to the folks in the district. So that's the
first thing, whether you voted for me or not. You know, much like when I was a police officer, nobody cared what my political party was, and I didn't care what your political party was. We were there to work together to solve a problem in the community. And that's my promise to the folks in this district. Whether you voted FREMI or not, I'm here to work for you, so don't ever hesitate to reach out.
Well, both, congratulations and thank you because your win. It's the biggest win in Colorado since Corey Gardner and it's going to reverberate in so many different ways. So thank you, Gabe, appreciate the time today and look forward to what's to come.
Oh, thank you so much. And thank you to again all of the veterans and all of their families today on Veterans Day. My wife and I have been married for fifteen years a little bit more. She was with me through my entire Army career, and so we know that our service members serve, but the families serve right along with them. So thank you to all of the veterans that are listening as well and your families.
Amen to that. Well, on with the fight and we'll talk soon.
Thank you so much.
Take thank you. That is Gabe Evans. Wow, big big win. Hey, when we come back, we'll talk about the effects of that. Am I right? Is this the turnaround in Colorado?
The Gabe Evans victory what more does the GOP and Colorado have to do to win and win state wide?
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Tom, There's been a more perfect guy for a job.
I see you on TV always angry. I see you touched my front Conne show. I'm angry because I am angry because I mentioned earlier about thirty one percent of women admitted to being a sexual assault in making this journey, we handled this administration the most secure border in my lifetime, and they unsecured it on purpose.
You know, I don't think Trump could be off to a better start, just in terms of everything, including the people he's putting together, because he was the first to tell you right that that is one regret from the first term was the circus did my words? You know, just not having the right team and play some good people, but not having the right team.
And wow, it looks like we haven't seen this in a while.
That year the historian, right, Grover Cleveland, maybe, and how many years was there between there there's only been this one other president who served two nonconsecutive terms. But I think having those four years and time to think about it and time to think about. Okay, if I get that next chance, how am I going to nail it?
I think we're watching it unfold right now because Holman, you've heard by now, obviously is going to be the borders are and there has never been a more perfect guy for that job.
And you heard that garbage from ABC News.
At the top the National News cast at the top of this hour where they completely misrepresent what Trump's about to do, and they do a whole sky is falling thing. My lord, it's no. They're going to go after the people here illegally who have also committed other crimes while here, particularly dangerous crimes, and they're going to start there, and they're going to get those people out of the country.
And anybody would object to that, anybody you would object to that is the worst possible American because anybody who would object to that is somebody who's saying, no, I want innocent people to be victimized by crime. I want innocent people to be victimized by crime committed by people who are in the illegally. I mean, that's what they're saying. But again, that's what these sanctuary city folks are saying.
Who are saying that when somebody's arrested and convicted of a violent crime, that we should not cooperate with ICE to get them out of the country. What they're saying to you is is obviously they're willing to have you victimized, and that's not acceptable.
Quick chance.
I don't mean for this to be a cheap plug, but if you missed it, I highly encourage you to go back and listen to my second hour from my Denver show, Ryan Schuling Live. I had both Ed and Cindy Romero in studio, and these two were victims of a herrowing experience with trend de Arragua, many of whom don't have any records because they've never been vetted.
So what are the police supposed to do?
I mean, these are the people Tom Holman is talking about who need to be targeted, who need to be removed from this country immediately.
Because if you care about the week and defenseless, you will want Donald Trump and Tom Holman to succeed and getting criminal illegals out. And then they have other plans obviously for that really center mainly around self deportation, meaning you know, cutting off taxpayer benefits to folks here illegally, and then folks will welcome back if they go through the proper process. But this first leg, every decent American
should be wholeheartedly behind this first leg. And I'll bet a lot of folks who are here illegally will enthusiastically endorse what what Donald Trump and Tom Homan are about to do, which is to get the violent offenders out and out right away. And I think it's also going to be enormously popular politically. Eight five zero five A two five five the number I know how to say, four zero five. I'm just fighting some kind of crud.
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We got a lot to do today started the show with Gabe Evans again.
I think it's turning point victory in Colorado that gave Evans just one and it should give those who want to see Republicans rise from the ashes and win statewide in Colorado a lot of hope. You know, competitive, hard fought district outspent significantly by the Democrat. The Democrat had a lot of full media backing, and we had a very very high quality candidate, great campaign staff, really well staffed campaigned some significant financial support as well, and he
pulled it off. And I just think, and he's a great candidate, He's going to be a great congressman. So you combine that with the other folks who won on the GOP side, and you know, hey, had we had Jeff Hurd on Friday, and yeh, CD three should be a cakewalk. But not when Adam Frish has fourteen million dollars or something. And so that was an impressive wind down there too. Now I imagine Jeff Hurd'll keep that
seat for as long as he wants. And then Lauren Bobert outsmarted the Dems and got him to burn a bunch of money races, and the GOP essentially saved a seat in CD three, and Ryan it just you know, it goes back to my point as we talk about Colorado broader principle here. Venom interferes with brain function. That's a chemical reality. Venom interferes with brain function. Hate interferes
with brain function. And the Democrats hate Lauren Bobert so much they burned all that money in her race that never had a chance of succeeding money that Thank god, they didn't shift over and spending CD eight. I'd like to believe Gabe still.
Would have won.
Look at everything he did overcome, including a big cash disadvantage. But and then they burned all that money down in CD three because they loaded it up thinking she was going to be the candidate there.
Nobody's smart enough to think, you know, hey, maybe she might make a move out of there. So yeah, venom interferes with brain function.
But the GOP now I think better position that it has been since Corey one in twenty fourteen to really start.
Making that move back. And hey, everybody online, what I want to do is make sure you have enough time.
So our first segment with Gabe ran long for obvious reasons. This is a really big deal. So we'll get back on our full clock when we come back at four thirty six, and everybody on the phone lines, we'll get you on the air. We'll get to our great texts. But I want to do a lot today. Hey, the Post now wants an independent investigation of Griswold. Is it all starting to fall apart? For will we get that investigation? If we do, then my bet is she's probably done soon.
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Gracious, these are the types of groups that you would never have thought that Donald Trump would have gained so much support among. Eight years ago when he first won against Hillary Clinton, Trump's was the best GOP showing among eighteen to twenty nine year olds in twenty years. You have to go all the way back to two thousand and four. How about among block voters, it was the best performance for Republican candidate for president in forty eight years since Gerald Ford back in.
Ninth teen hundred and seventy six. And I'm hong Hispanic voters.
The exit polls only go back since nineteen hundred and seventy two. But Donald Trump's performance on Tuesday was the best for a Republican presidential candidate in.
Exit Paul history.
He literally love every bit of that. But let's be realistic. As I go back to the phone lines, these were Trump voters, right. Donald Trump has given the GOP a chance. He's opened the door for the GOP. The GOP has to deliver now because we cannot sit here and assume that all these extra voters are going to stick around for the rest of the GOP. I think Donald Trump turned out a bunch of people who turned out for Donald Trump, and the GOP is going to have to earn that ongoing support.
One quick question Dan along those lines that I want to run by you because it blew my mind an election night. And I have the most respect for Roskamensky over at KOA. But he said, and I quote Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley would have done as good or better.
Than Donald Trump did on Tuesday night.
Your thoughts not a chance? Not a chance.
And I said, so the run up to the campaign to the election, and I love Ross and I'd love to debate that with him. No wait a second, and I'll get to the jam lines right now. But as we've been talking about all along, Donald Trump won for a lot of reasons, and he attracted additional people for a lot of reasons. He's earned it the hard way.
But make no mistake about it, if there is ever any doubt he won that race in those fifteen seconds between the time he got shot in the head and the time he got back up bleeding and said fight, fight, fight, because very few people on the face of the ears have what it takes to do that in that moment, and you could bet right there that so many Americans were going to say, I want that guy on the wall. Not a chance. And I'm a big fan of DeSantis, used to like Kayley. I don't anymore. But no, not
a chance. So now the GOP has to earn that ongoing support. Will start jam lines with Rick and Boone. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Welcome Rick, Hey, Dan, how are you well?
I'm doing great, Rick, if you're new to the show.
Is our farmer rancher Corps spondent is a source of hard earned wisdom, you know, from working the land and raising livestock.
And he knows what it's all about. That's what your wife says every day.
Right, he likes that.
Yeah, pardon, that's.
What your wife says every day, Rick, Right, Rick, you are the source of all wisdom.
Yeah, Well, we.
Grow your food.
I'm grateful for that.
And we're glad to do it. We're glad to do you. Hey, I told your screwer before that I wouldn't call him back unless I had something significant.
But this is important. I haven't heard any of the talking hands on TV. The networks won't have you or your contemporaries on radio. Talking hands mentioned the Republican tension for screwing.
Up a good thing.
They've done it for decades. They've done it for decades. Despite that, we I'm okay, We've got the House, or looks like it. We've got the Senate, we got the White House, and everybody's rolling up their sleeves. They're off to a good start. It's like the sugar hive mentioned from Harris when she got the kind of stolen nomination. Don't get too caught up on the sugar hut.
Well you're right about that, Rick, But here's here's here's why.
It's like that term we the people.
It's overused.
We as citizens need to roll up our sleeves and push and push on these elected officials, and not just Republican officials, but Kick and Bannett and all these others. We need to push them and you need to vote them a along with the program. I'm sorry I didn't need to push you out.
There, No, not at all.
People would much rather listen to you, and I would too, But no, and Rick, thank you for the call. Need to vote first. You need to vote hicking Lubrin Bennett out. But to Rick's point, and why I think that that Rick and everybody else who rightfully concerned about this should be very encouraged. Look at the quality of the people who are winning. Look at the quality of the people
Trump is putting into place. This, this is what gives me great confidence the GOP is going to be able to to hold on to a lot of these gains. This is really high quality stuff across the board. Let's go to Loveland talk to Nick. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Welcome, Hey, good afternoon, Dan. And you were talking about, you know, in this first phase, getting you know, violent criminals gone, you know, back out of the country Italy. And you know, I said in the second phase that it would be a bigger group and you know, it would be more about getting them to self deport which I think is super important to bring that up because like the major media, for whatever power they may or may not have anymore, you know, they want to tell you, oh,
you're gonna run them up like Hitler. But you can these people. You can make it so these people self support and the ways are the things you described, you know, cutting off the funds and money and you know, welfare that's for American citizens, but there's also have you ever heard of e verify. Sure, are you familiar with it?
Yes?
And I'm not.
This isn't a setup question, no Verify. It is a program the government has that that in real time and I use this as a company I work for once, in real time you can find out if someone's if they have proper idea to go to work, that they're go to work in the United States, And if you don't have it, it comes back literally in minutes and and uh oh.
Sure and Nick to your point though, listen, there are so many criminal illegals here. You've got obviously millions and millions and millions of illegals, but there are at this point probably at least six or seven hundred thousand folks who came into this country illegally and then committed serious crimes.
If President Trump succeeds in being.
Able to track down and round up and deport a significant percentage of those, it will be a monumental service to this country. And we're just talking about those here illegally, So those who are saying, oh, your neighbors are going to be rounded up and dragged out and shipped. He has focused on those here criminally illegally. Now between that, my friend, and just closing the border immediately and thoroughly.
You're going to be seeing such a dramatic improvement in this country because people say, well, they've slowed down the open border. There are still a ton of people coming in illegally under Biden and Harris. But then they're they're bringing him in by playing as well, you don't see that scene at the border. So between going after those here illegally you've committed other serious crimes and shutting down the border, there's going to be such an immediate dramatic effects.
So many innocent lives are going to be saved, so much money is going to be saved, so many other benefits to society as a whole. And for those still here illegally, life's actually going to be much better for them too.
In the meantime.
And then yeah, President Trump is going to have, you know, the broader effort to cut off benefits, which will I think cause some folks to leave on their own. A FI five for zero five eight two five five text d A N five seven seven three nine. I'm gonna ask a favor of our other callers. I don't want to pop you on just to get you off in thirty seconds. If you can hang in there with me. When I come back, we'll take your call, give you
some real time. We'll get to text as well. Let the celebration continue.
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As a process it on stage many times, which I agree with one hundred percent. This would be the same was there in the first administration.
Was a hell a lot more of them.
Because ten million people are got to this country leading under bided administration or they actually let into this country. Even though this is why I listened to CREDI of law would have been doing the abuse of the proles already.
But look, I've been clear a President Trump being clear.
Public safety threads and national security threats will be the priority because they have to be. They propose the most dangerous country. So we're going to prioritize those groups. Those who always have final orders, all had those I had due process, a great tax payer of Spence and our Froberal judge as you must go home, and they didn't. They became a.
Future there makes a perfect sense.
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My screen says Brian Perenz, good one, close friends. Uh, somebody want to explain that. Do we have a bad Brian?
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Hello Brian, Brian with the halo. Hey Brian, welcome to the show.
Thanks.
You know what a great celebration.
You know.
I think the cherry on the top was the popular vote, you know, because now we used to walk around in hiding as a Trump more of us than them logistically, and so I think walking proud is is something we wanted to do for a long time. We can finally do it.
My friend.
Legislation is what's the most important thing to me, because we lost a lot of opportunities as ago eight years ago when Trump was elected. Has some guts, he's got a mandate. If there are no excuses for any of this stuff to happen this time, Oh that's right. And fear fear that there might you know, there's those hang ups. We have two years to do whatever we can because we know what the House is going to do.
In two years.
Yeah, now you're so right about all that. Thank you, Brian. And I'll tell you this.
To Brian's point about now hey being able to come out into the open as a Trump supporter. And I understand some of us like with jobs like this, we do it every day, you know, because we're here and you got you know, you want to and you got to tell the truth. But I understand there are a lot of good people who've just you know, been a little maybe a little uncertain about going out. You know,
we're in the Trump gear. This, this, that that, And I do think to Brian's point, that has changed dramatically. And Ryan, I have to tell you, I have not you and I have not discussed this. But Brian came to the right place because over the weekend, and I consider it one of those epiphionical moments, I envisioned the greatest Trump T shirt of all time, also suitable for a hoodie, a hat, et cetera. But I got in touch with our graphic artist. We're working on it. Proceeds
will go to charity. But as soon as you see it, you'll say, I want one of those. I want to wear One of those days is the greatest Trump T shirt of all time. But for those who don't like the T shirts, I understand some people prefer the sweatshirt, some people prefer the hoodies. You can put it on the back of a jacket. You're gonna love it instantly.
And I don't think anybody's ever seen anything like it, so just and it'll be just an easy way for Trump supporters to now start showing it off on public because when you see it and you see the design and you see you see the the slogan on it, it's the kind of thing that will also, you know, get a smile out of the folks who don't feel the same way yet about the president as we do.
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After we deport all the criminal aliens and we have the bore the completely shaft fields, unless we come up with some kind of way to get more work as this country, you're gonna to.
Do the grunt work, the roofing in the ninety six degree sunny days.
You're gonna see inflation.
The wages are gonna go up so high so quickly, and then they're gonna have to raise interest rates and that's going to knock us into a lower standard of living over the long term.
May I, May I put your mind at easier, and I'm gonna give you a concrete reason that's never ever going to happen, and it's caught. You raise a fair concern, but it's easily addressed, and it's called legal immigration because you're gonna have Oh it just I can't be wrong. As I love to say around my house, I can't be wrong till I finish my sentence, and that is you're going to have folks lined up from here to the equator who want to come into this country legally
and be vetted, et cetera. So we're gonna be able to turn that spigot on and off as we want it to get folks who are fully vetted into this country to work.
Okay, from what I understand, then, other than coming in on a work visa, there's no legal way for a peasant family from Guatemala, uneducated, no schooling, to legally immigrate to this country. And I'm pretty familiar with the immigration law.
Oh yeah, that then you know, Jay, that we're going to be able to let those folks in and let vetted folks in because they're still going to want to come in, right, except this time they're not going to get raped on the way up here. They're not going to get raped on the way up here by coyotes and by other criminals.
Please listen, the laws are going to have to change because right now there's no visas. There's no mechanism for some peasant family from a village in Guatemala to legally immigrate to the United States.
Jay, Why do they have a right to be here? Why do they have a right to be here?
I'm just talking about lowering our wages, so our economy with a thirty five trillion dollar stranglehold debt, could somehow maintain ahead above water. This economy with that thirty five trillion dollar debt competing against Chinese labor. I'm telling you, when you have twenty five dollars an hour working on roofs doing roofing, that.
Can't go up much higher.
People people to afford to get in the roof.
A couple of things I think you're missing in this analysis, and again I appreciate you raising the issue. One is that under any of these plans, you're still going to have likely tens of millions of people in this country illegally, and so you're still going to have a vast labor pool of folks in the country legally. Now, many folks would say, and I understand the argument that everybody here illegally should have to leave and reapply and enter.
And as you know, the laws can.
Be easily and quickly changed to address whatever needs the US has in terms of immigration for whatever level of job, including as you describe folks, you know, a peasant family from Guatemala doing you know, in the beginning at least these lower level jobs, right, that can be tweaked immediately. You don't even need congressional action to do that necessarily, So that can all be addressed.
Jay, the tens of millions have already illegal. Our wages are at twenty twenty five bucks an hour for this front work if we don't have an influx of cheaper labor, and I know it's going to hurt our American poor, but the nailt have that. But the wages are going to go through the route.
But Jay, first of all, a starting point is and again I appreciate you raising these issues and happy to continue the conversation into the five but we don't have the option of hurting the American poor. That's not an option for us. We don't have the option of saying, Okay, we're going to bring in peasant families as Jay describes them from Guatemala, because it's going to make stuff a little cheap. But for us and hurt the American poor. No, the American poor don't deserve that.