The Demon House w/Guests The Unknown Project

>> John: Hello, my spooky friends. This is John. And welcome to another episode of, Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast that covers everything stooky, mysterious and creepy in the Midwest and beyond. Tonight, or I should say today, I have Mary and Josh from the unknown project on. Welcome. >> Mary: Thank you. >> Josh: Thanks for having us.

>> John: It is a pleasure. Because I love herod married couples on and I love having paranormal investigators on because it's the best of both worlds because obviously you go home with it. Some of my paranormal investigators don't go home with it. Obviously they go on to their different homes and stuff. But you guys, if you have a good or maybe a bad or maybe even a boring investigation, you're kind of like, right. You're driving home and you're kind of talking about it,

right? That. Okay. Or maybe not. So let's get right into a. Shall

we? What? And announced to Mary or Josh, whatever, who wouldever like to start what has been your favorite investigation so far? >> Josh: It has to be Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. >> John: Ooh, that's a good one. >> Josh: If it's possible. Every time we visit, the, experiences and evidence that we capture is greater than the previous

trip. We are, visiting Waverly Hills Sanatorium here in May, so we're hoping that we might have found a place to give it a run for its money, so to speak. >> John: Nice. So what makes it, you know, I've heard of it and I've heard other paranormal investigators talk about it. What do you think is, like, what makes it, like, a great place for you guys to investigate every time?

>> Josh: I honestly believe it has a mix of every type of haunting and experience you can have in any other location all rolled into 1m. >> John: And it's ye. >> Josh: The, second largest stone building in the world next to the Kremlin. So we feel like it's almost a paranormal tape recorder. >> Mary: Limestoneep. >> John: Wow. I didn't. I didn't know that. Hey, that. That's something I've never heard of. And you just mentioned limestone. So tell my spooky friends

who may not know. Why is limestone such a great conductor of paranormal energy? >> Josh: Well, limestone has a high level of quartz in it as well. And it's basically all the ways that we in today's society record information and save information is in the walls of this building. So I believe it amps up the residual type haunt and energy of all the bad experiences that were, happened there over the years. >> John: Yeah, absolutely. That and

water. So I did a podcast on the town of Alton, Illinois, an episode. Excuse me. And they're right underneath a whole ton of limestone and a rushing. Like I, want't see waterfall, but it's a stream and it's just like the energy just goes right into that town and just keeps it there. And that's just fascinating to me. >> Mary: Right back at several places that we've been to. And like, the most active places for us had running water. So we definitely believe that as well.

>> John: Yeah. So, Mary, here's a question for you. When you go in these place places, and I'm not picking on

you, and this is all my female investigators, this happens a lot. do you feel, that you are. I don't want to see marked, but like, you know, a lot of these places, unfortunately, they abused women more than men. do you feel like when you go into there, you getting your hair pulled? Does anything happen like that, push, shoved, definitely. >> Mary: So it is always mean that something happens to. I've had my hair pulled. I've been

scratched. And I must say, being a woman, as a paranormal investigator, the most intimidating places for me as a woman are prisons. >> John: Yes, for sure. >> Mary: Like out of anywhere. And I don't know if it is because I'm a woman for that reason, but definitely, yeah. >> John: Yeah, that is absolutely. I love that. Well, not love that because I know it's bad to have you, but it's fun. Fascinating to me because

that's what happens. Right. And again, do you feel that sometimes you've had to, like, leave a place? Mary, like you just said, hey, gosh, honey. Well, sweetie, whatever got of. I got. I gotta go. We gotta leave. >> Mary: So we don't ever leave, per se. But whenever I'm. It's too much for me, or I get scratched or I feel like attacked or a certain way, I leave the area, the building, the room, whatever, like, he usually escorts me out and then he goes back in.

>> John: Right. And do you guys, some paranormal investigators, come back and. And with all respect, say, hey, we don't appreciate this, you know, if you want us to leave, we will leave. But, you know, please stop whatever colulling, hair, scratches, whatever it is he. You gu. Do you guys do that or what do you guys do? >> Mary: So I do. I say, please don't do that to me. If you want to communicate, we have several pieces of

equipment here for you to communicate with us. But please don't touch me. And then I know when Josh goes back in alone, like you usually. >> Josh: I usually tell them about themselves and, challenge them to do it to me. >> Mary: You'd rather than do it to you than me. >> John: Yeah. Ah, yeah. So, Josh, is that a thing where you go and you'be like, hey, man, Like. Like you, Like would. Like if you were at a bar and somebody was, like,

hitting. Hitting on Mary or pushing her, you'renna stand up and be like, hey, man, knock it off. All right. there's gonna be trouble. But do you say something like that, or do you say, hey, look, it's me. Come at me. I can take it. Or how do you handle that? >> Josh: I say, come at me. He m does, you know, I can take it. Give me your best shot. why are you picking on a female? Why don't you pick on me? >> John: Yeah. Yeah. >> Josh: And I haven't had any takers as of yet.

>> John: Yeah. Yeah. Love. I love it. It's. It's to. It's a weird thing because I talked to some female investigators, and they're like, all right, you know, this has to end. Like. Like you're almost scolding a child. You know what I mean? Like, stop it. You know what I mean? To that effect. But in it, what's really weird that people don't remember, these were people just like you and

me right now in a prison. It's so weird, because you have prisons, as you know, you've gone into, where there's been some, you know, really badasses, you know what I mean? Some real murders, rapists, on and on. But there's been some people in that prison, as we know, wrongly convicted. And that's even worse, right? Because you're like, I am not supposed to be here. Have you ever had a spirit reach out to you, kind of like, I'm not supposed to be here kind of attitude and do anything like that?

>> Josh: I mean, we've been to Moundsville and Ohio State Reformatory. And I love that old Cambria, County, jail. And I can't recall one saying I was wrongly convicted. >> John: Interesting. >> Mary: Even, like, anywhere we've been, I don't think we've ever had any spirit. Like, why am I here? Anything like that. No, and I wish we did, to be honest with you. >> John: Right. >> Josh: Be a welcome change. >> Mary: It would.

>> Josh: We've had a very interactive spirit at

Moundsville that was a heck of an artist. >> Mary: Yes. >> John: And what do you mean by that? >> Josh: There was a. We were down in the sugar shack of, Moundsville Penitentiary, and I noticed all the others, you know, on every wall, you know, graffiti, as some may call it. But it was a, you know, it took somebody of some decent skill to, you know, articulate what they did on the wall and through a spirit box session, I complimented them and I immediately got a thank you.

>> John: ###Eah yeah. Have either one of you'gotten really emotional during one and Mary, I'm not picking on you. But you know what? Again, have you

ever like, just started crying and you're like, what is going on? Why I, you know, this emotional. >> Mary: Never experienced that, thankfully. Because I've like, heard that happen to people where they just like, start crying and they don't know why they're crying. I did though, lose time before. >> John: Okay. >> Mary: What happened, that is a whole different thing. And it freaks me out, to be honest with you. >> John: Yeah. So losing time, meaning you are where.

>> Mary: You were in a trans Allegheny lunatic asylum when this happened? Of course, I. This was way back when we first started, so I didn't leave his side. Like, I was right always with him. Okay. Especially at Tala. Like, it's one of the most intimidating places to me, to be honest. >> John: Yeah. >> Mary: I don't remember this until I was like, yelling for him, where are you? I was off on my own and I don't even remember leaving him or anything.

>> Josh: Yeah. I turned around and she was nowhere to be seen, which stunned me completely. >> John: Yeah. Right. Where did you wind up? Do you remember? Like, did you wind up in the. A certain room? >> Mary: It was near the kitchen area. It was u. the med building. Like, I think it's the second floor and like the kitchen area. That's where I was. >> John: Yep. Yeah. Wow. That's really interesting. >> Mary: Yeah. I don't ever to happen again.

>> John: Absolutelyus. I've heard of people. Some of my paranormal investigators have wound up and like, were the places where they did the lobotomies or did the like the electric shock or did. Well, basically waterboarding for. They caught back then. Right. And they wound up there like laying down on. On a like an operating table and just laying there. And then the other investigator coming in and be like, what are you doing? And they're like, my God, what am

I. I don't know why I'm here. Why don't you know, like, damn, that's scary. >> Mary: Yeah, I'm glad that didn happen. >> John: Yeah. >> Mary: Because that. That is scary. It's like, what are you doing here? Yeah. >> John: Speaking of scary, what is your scariest like, event or you're kind of mentioned, you

know, Transania and stuff like that. But like, what's the scari thing that happened to you? separately and together as a couple? >> Josh: For me, it was her losing time and wonndering off, you know, there's not much I can do if she's out on her own and turn around and there to be, you know, she's nowhere to be found. Scared me to death, to be honest. >> Mary: Yeah, for me, honestly, that occurrence and then it was a different time.

We've been a trans out any numerous times. Like that's like our place. Like we always are looking for a reason. Go back. I was scratched like on the top of my head right here. And that's the first time I was ever scratched. So you know when you see on tv, they're like, oh my God, it burns. >> John: Yeah, yeaheah. >> Mary: It burned so bad. It was then that I realized that that's they're not dramatizing it. Like it felt like fire. It was so painful. That scared me.

>> John: Wow. Yeah, that's scared me too. >> Mary: Yeah. >> John: Now I have to ask a fun question after a scary question is since I ask this to married couples all the time, you argue. We all argue. I'm married. You gotta argue.

No, honey, put that back. What are you doing? Give me that thing. Right. Have you ever argued and catch caught like an EVP or something of somebody saying like will you guys shut up? Anything like that? >> Mary: No, I wish we did. >> Josh: I would have loved that. >> Mary: That would be great. Like, would you guys just stop? >> John: Yeah, right, right. Nobody, by the way, Mary and Josh. Nobody has said that. And I'm waiting for my next married couple to be like, yep.

Oh, that'd be awesome. >> Mary: Because happen we'll send it to you. >> John: Yeah. >> Josh: You'll be the first person to get that evidence. >> John: I love that. Thank you so much. Because you, you think they would, right? Because again, they're normal people. And if you guys are like, where're the batteries? I brought the batteries. What are you talking about? They're in the car. You go get I. Right. God, shut up. >> Mary: Yeah.

>> Josh: O. >> Mary: That's funny. >> John: Yeah, right? You think it's just normalus. You know, I've been around married couples before, but I've told them, you know, obviously they're not ghosts, but. Shut up. Yeah, you know, God figured out. Guys, come on. so one of the things I want to ask too is do you guys help residential? Do you ever have people coming you from like houses? Hey, I know you guys do this. Please help me.

There's. There's a spirit in this house and it's whatever. >> Mary: We've never, did that. We were going to. We had one person reached out to us, but her story kept changing and it felt really Weird. And I was like, I don't even feel comfortable with it. And Josh agreed. >> Josh: Yeah, there was ah, every time we spoke the story changed a little bit. It made me wonder about the person's sanity more than it did about the spirit world.

>> Mary: Yeah, I think we would if it was like a friend, like a close friend or a family member if they asked us to. But as for like strangers reaching out. No. >> Josh: Yeah, we've had the one person inquire from the UK and a local bar, restaurant actually had some experiences and reached out to us about trying to answer. They're not scared of what's there per se, but they want to make sure that I guess they're not losing it or they're not seeing,

you know, their eyes are playing Trixs on them or whatnot. What this person had in the UK was they sent us videos and stills of some very, very interesting things. Things that I haven't seen before. >> John: Yeah, like spirits. What? >> Mary: I don't know what it is, honestly. And because like they have different beliefs over theres. Obviously it's much older over there. >> John: Yes. >> Mary: They're, you know, they believe in so much

more. And I mean I'm. Who am I to say it's not real? Because like it's not our. My gosh, what's the word? >> Josh: It's not in our belief system. >> Mary: Yeah. It's on our history, anything like that. But it just, I don't know what it was, but it was very small. >> Josh: It changed shapes and crawled up the wall and

across the ceilinge which was very. And either this person was a master with a, you know, a doctoring up film, or they legitimately had something that we've never seen. >> John: Wow. >> Mary: We're not in the UK so we can't, you know, ah, unfortunately. >> John: I would love to, but yeah, I just. I've interviewed people from the UK and they have a real funny way of looking at things. Like one of the things they said if your pub is not haunted, it's not. You shouldn't even

go to it. Like that's how they view it. Like literally everything. The pub down the street, like your local bar, wherever you guys live and in England and you. That's haund. I mean you just go in and your beer glass moves and everybody's like, it's normal. Yeah. It's just weird. And you know, compared to our country, you know, they have furniture in their homes that are older than us. the entire country, the United

States and They've seen nothing. But, you know, like, the guy I was talking to, he says, oh, yeah, I go to work and. And right across where I work is where they used to hang people. Like, that's what they hung. And he says occasionally he goes, I haven't felt something. But occasionally during weird events, like a big thunderstorm or something, he says he feels weird. He goes like he feels like there's something watching him or looking at him. And.

Yeah, right. I just think that's absolutely fascinating with that. >> Mary: Yeah. >> John: Again, everything's different. Have you guys ever speaking the same with residentials again? I know that's really hard, Right. Because you don't know if someone has, like, you were talking about. The woman's story kept changing. But it's really hard for people to understand,

like, how your place is haunted. Right. Do you have maybe something to tell my spooky friends to, like, say, hey, guys, this is where you might want to reach out to somebody and get investigated? >> Josh: Well, I mean, honestly, if you are sure that you didn't do this to yourself and you wake up with some sort of scratches or marks, you know, you might want to, you know, get like, a local.

Or you could get a fairly inexpensive, CCTV wireless setup and just have it focus on you when you're asleep or when you're not at home. We've, seen some interesting, things captured to places where people were not at home. >> Mary: Yeah. On their home security. You know, everybody nowadays has, like, a little camera r. Yeah, exactly. So they. But they really feel like they have something in their house. They could always put a digital recorder out, something like that.

>> John: Yeah. >> Mary: And then if they get something, then go look for a group to help them. >> John: Yeah. And two things I can say from my personal u. standpoint that you guys will probably totally agree with is, number one, do not provoke it. Do not, like, yell. Do not, like, hey, get the F out of here. You know, whatever, or play with a Ouija board. That is my number one thing I tell people, don't do that. And people will

be like, I's just a toy, and I've done it before. And I'm like, sorry. >> Mary: Everything I've experienced, I am totally against them. Totally. But then I know some people use them. They compare it to a spirit box. Like, that's their belief of them. And I'm like. And I have heard that that spirit box me a portal if you have it on for so long. So, like, we never have a spirit box on for too long because of that. I just Personally won't do Ouija board. No, not doing it.

I'm not trying to open any doors. >> John: Yeah. I don't know why. Why, why you would do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again,

you. Part of it too is I've spoke to, paranormal investigators who have like a medium who have, a therapist on their team and stuff. And I think that's really hard because when they go in to investigate and they see the person as some type of a mental challenge or disability and they've been seeing these things, I don't know, residential, I think, is a tough, tough gig. Because, you know, it. Same business. Right? Right.

Yeah. Because some people are superstitious. If you told me my business was haunted, I'd be like, this is awesome. But other people, other people would be like, I'm working from home. You know, I am not coming in. Forget you guys. Yeah. And you know, I've had par. Know1best kids who have done businesses too, and they've come in, they said, yes, you have a spirit. It's harmless. If you want to. We know, priest and we know some other people who come in here and bless your business and, you

know, go from there. But it's harmless. Probably just gonna just have your paper clips missing and someone pushing your chairs around. Okay. I mean, you know, what do you want to do? You want to make it worse or you just want to get, you know, like I said, someone taking your coffee cup and putting it in the break room instead of on your desk? I mean, like, Right. >> Mary: I mean, just coexist.

>> John: Yeah, Right. Just coexists. And I think that's a lot too, from haunted houses that I've spoke to people who live in them still. They keep telling me they go, john, it's not like the Amityville horror. They're not flies and demons. It's just annoying. It's just the cupboards open at three in the morning and they shut and my door creaks open and I can kind of feel a presence. And it's just, you know, and I just laugh at that. I just think it's

funny. Like, how can you coexist? But some people do, right? U. you guys, have you guys ever. When you've gone to these places, have you ever brought something back or do you have something that you know? No, nothing like that. >> Mary: No. So I don't. That is like one fear of mine. So when we leave a place, we always say goodbye, you must stay here. We pray. And then when we get home, like we stage every so often Just in case. Because like, energy,

you can't destroy energy. So we stage every so often just in case there's any like, energy on us from these places. Just because there's so much history, so many people like l. Right beyond the dead that go, to these places that we go to. And we just don't want that like, energy hanging around. >> Josh: I absolutely thank them for having us. With their permission, we would like to return. >> John: Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. And

that's what professionals do because you. You don't want anything brought home. And I've. Some of my paranormal investigators have. They've brought little boys and girls home with them. They've brought people with them and they. You told them to leave, you know, go back to wherever or, you know, if you have someone maybe to a certain degree that can send them back to the light or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure do that. Right?

>> Mary: Yeah. Like I've known people that it's happened to and I'm like, oh, that's like the biggest fear of mine. Like, I love investigating it, but I don't want it in our home. >> Mary: Don't. >> John: Yeah, neither do I. No. Thank you. So have you guys ever come back from an investigation where you thought was like really boring, like man, nothing happened. And then you Listen to your EVPs, listen to your recorders, watch your film. You like, whoa, this is crazy.

>> Mary: Numerous timess. So we always go by, if it was super active, we know we're gonna have a ton more that we didn't even know happened. And when

it's like a little active, it's like, oh, we do leave kind of depressed. Like, like really like nothing happened. And then we'll review like our first time at Hillview. I think it was the Hillview. Our first time, it was kind of like we had a few experiences. And then he is listening to the digital recorder because he reviews the footage. And then I like create everything and post it. But he was listening to it and got a heart monitor. There's no electricity and there's

no heart monitors anymore in there. And there's the, you know, when you're in the hospital, the beeping that when you're hooked up. Yeah, there was that, beeping on. >> Josh: The digital recorder intermitt over an eight hour period. >> Mary: Yes. >> John: Wow. >> Mary: And then a few years later, he re. Listened to it. I don't even know why we were. >> Josh: That's when we started to actually post some of

our evidence. So I was listening to it and here I Completely missed what sounds like a beautiful voice of a woman singing in the background. Yeah, it was. It almost sounded angelic. I was so shocked when I heard it that I ran and found her and I said, please tell me you hear this. >> Mary: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was beautif. And it's like there. There was six of us at night, right? >> Josh: Yep. >> Mary: Three women. None of us were singing. I don't even know the

song. It sounded. >> Josh: What song Kind of reminded me of, Ava Maria. >> John: Sure, sure. >> Mary: I don't know that song. I was like, well, I wasn't singing that. And then two others, like, they don't have a voice like that. >> John: Wow. >> Josh: Come to find out that there was a large population of Italian immigrants that were staying and living in Hillview Manor at one point or time. And Ava Maria is, as I learned, a, you know, almost like a hymnal

for, Italians. And so it could have been, This place is different than any other place that we've been to where they still have their former residents belongings stored in the basement, which. It's like walking into a different world. It's quite sad. >> Mary: Ah, it's really sad because, the people, they didn't have anybody, so when they passed away, their stuff just got moved to the basement. They had nobody to call. Like, that's just. It's heartbreaking.

>> John: Yeah, that really is. Yeah. We have places like this and where you guys do you mostly investigating? >> Mary: Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, because we're Pennsylvania based. >> John: Okay. Right. Yeah, yeah. So you guys gotta. Yeah, ton of stuff. I'm from Wiscon. I'm in Wisconsin. So one of the things too, in, our area, we had a lot, of retirement communities where they were a lunatic asylum, by the way. I wish I. I always

kid my kids about this. In the 1800, some of these places you could actually commit. Conit, conit your kids to these places if they were just bad kids. So like, my. My son's being a dick. I'm go goingna take him in there and come in him and then everyone forgets about him. That's insane. >> Mary: It's horrible. We actually have a big poster from Trans Allegheny of all the admission reasons. >> John: Yeah.

>> Mary: And it's disgusting. The thing that people were admitted and forgotten about and they died there alone. >> John: Yeah, it's horrible. yeah. And it's some of these places, like in Iowa and Wisconsin, they have what they call a poor farm. So basically these people would work on this farm, right? >> Mary: Yeah. >> John: And. And then the. They would make corn or

whatever, beets or Whatever they're making. And then they would sell this stuff not to them, like literally the place would sell them. Give them like a nickel. Whatever they gave them. couldn't really survive it. They were totally basically slaves. And you know, and then they died just because they were just some dad was like o. I don't like to kind of mood you're in. So you're going to this place. What? >> Mary: Or widowers. A lot of widower. Because was a H. P.O. >> Josh: Yes.

>> Mary: Hillview Manor was a poor farm. So if you were a widower or you know, like you said, bad kid, they would just put you there and you would work for your room. And that's horrible. >> John: Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway, in this one place in Iowa, it became an old folks home and same thing. People forgot about them. They just. Come on Grandpa and grandma. Here you go. See ya. and there's pictures of these rooms still with sheets on the bed and

people's clothes in the closets. And it's crazy. Like you just, you can do that and no one. That's horrible. >> Mary: No wonder it's OND Yeah, exactly. Like I don't understand how people could have done that back then, but they did. >> John: Yeah, it's horrible. So, Mary and Josh, I have a great topic for you guys. This is awesome. You probably heard about this. You guys are familiar with Zach Baggins. I'm familiar. Okay, so you familiar with the demon house in Gary,

Indiana? You familiar with that? >> Mary: Yes, we've heard of it. >> John: Okay, so I'm going to talk a little bit about it today because this is crazy. So what if I told you there was a house, just a regular

house in Gary, Indiana, in kind of the poor section of it. But Gary, Indiana is kind of a H section know if you look at it, little bo Anyway, it's terrible. Anyway, this house doesn't look any different. I'll put it up on the social media, site and I've already put some pictures up there if you want to go and check it out. My spooky friends and you guys can check it out. Nothing different about it. But this house at one time claims to have 20 demons who possess the entire

family. And this is the first paranormal experience where priests, doctors, cops and numerous neighbors saw everything. Okay, now the funny thing about this too is if you go to Vegas, sack bag, and don't get me started on him, I have a love hate relationship with him, okay? I call him Bagel bites. Anyway, if you go to his museum, they have the staircase from that house in his museum. If you talk to some people,

they find it interesting. Other people go, I don't know, it's a staircase, okay, but he destroyed that house. So unfortunately my stooky friends and both of you cannot go to investigate it. However, however, the grounds, they're still there. Still people go there to this day do satanic rituals investigated. People say that ground is basically a gateway to hell. Believe what you want to believe, but when I read this

story, this is, this is crazy. Please chime in anytime you guys want to if maybe you have something similar you've heard of in your area or you just have a question. So let's just start out here. So the Amons family and Mrs. Amons claims she and her three children were possessed by demons inside their northwest Indiana home when they began renting it in November 2011.

So it's fairly recent. Immediately after they arrived, the Amons told the indie star that despite cold December temperatures, large black flies

swarmed their screened in porch and they kept coming back even when the family killed them and killed them. According to Ammon's mother, Rosa. Campbell, who told the India Star reporter Marissa boy, I can't pronounce his name. Kowaski. Sorry Marissa, you can reach back out to me, but you got a crazy dance. So from there you think that's strange. Things got really strange. So Campbell and Ammons, there was another person who lived there with them, heard footsteps on the

basement stairs late at night. Okay. The basement and kitchen doors creake and opened uninsisted and they claimed the demons got to their three children. So imagine you're in this normal home, you're renting it, you hear all, you know, there's flies everywhere here. There's you know, all this kind of creaky, you know, stuff going on. and it,

you know, again there's no explanation, there's nothing. So when I go through this, if you guys ask me like, well, did they worship demons and blah blah blah blah, we'll kind of talk about that. So, the family told the indie store that the kids eyes bulged, their voice deepened and they sported evil smiles while possessed. The nine year old boy described what it felt like to be killed and walked up the wall in the presence of a family case manager and hospital nurse. Ah, that to me

he is. And people said they saw this. Now here's my thing guys. You didn't have a phone. Nobody had a phone. Nobody. Just I've heard arguments back and forth. Well, you're not going toa do that, John. If you see your kid just bus, start walking up the water and I can like phone, phone, phone, right? >> Mary: I honestly don't know. Like that's scary to me. Like that whole story, it gives me chills.

>> John: Yes. Yeah, it's right. So the seven year old clenched his hands around his brother's throat and wouldn't let him go until an adult pried him off. So the seven year old just started choking. The, you know, kids will be kids. Like my kids used to punch each other. Be like, you guys, stop it. You had idiots and he had to separate him, but not choking to the point and he had court them. Had inhuman strength for a seven year old. Like normally, you know, it's a

seven year old so you'like yeah, come on. But according to Amons, the mom, she was like trying, really trying and she could not get him to let go. Now it gets worse. The 12 year old girl floated above the bed while unconscious. The family sat. So imagine your kids walking on the walls, strangling each other, floating. Well, they can't. And I know you're saying get the fuck out of the house. I mean, what are we doing here, right? By the way, you can swear in this podcast, oay right, get out.

What are you doing? These are poor people. You can't just get out of the house. They're renting this house so they can't leave. So let's, let's you know when people say that, I'm like kind of know the situation like with my house, probably could sell it and I'd be okay, but still, I'm not going toa leave, I'm going toa try some other things. So this is what happened. This is normally should happen. So the

police investigated, right? They came over because people were like, the kids would go to school and they'd have bruises on them and scratches on them and they. What's the first thing you think? Unfortunately, the mom, dad, whoever is beating the crap out of the kids. And that is so sad, right? So police came over and also the Department of Child Services intervene. Okay. And what they found was that the Amons were guilty of neglect for not sending her children to

school on a regular basis. Now like I said, they started saying the kids would go to school and the teachers would see this and they'd be like, are, you okay? You know, do you need me to get help? So they eventually the police went over there because the mom was like, I'm not doing this. This is not me. This is the demon right now you can't go up to the principal of the school, right. And say, hey, my

demons in our house. I am m not doing this. The princess is going to be like, we're going toa take your kids away from me. >> Mary: Right, exactly right. >> John: So you again, you can't move. You can't go to the principal or whoever and say, I got demons in my house. That's why my kids. This has happened. Okay. So eventually they told the Amons to find a job in appropriate housing. Okay. She had a job too, but she had to kept coming home because like the baby, like a friend or

somebody would be like, oh, this house is freaky. I'm not. I. You know, your kids are being really weird. Like I gotta get. So she eventually lost her job because she kept having to come home. So one of the things though, finally she did regain custody of her children six months later. So this poor woman. Imagine six months where you are actually having this happen, all right? And you can't see your kids and you can't tell me you love them and you hope they're okay. And

hey, guess what? This is still happening. This is not going away. So she's still sleeping in that house, which is scary. So eventually the. The family did move into a new house with no reports of demons and the case was closed in February 2013. However, one of the things they wanted to talk about here and I didn't get really into this. This is kind of some of that. You can read this because this is crazy. When this all came out eventually. So that was. So there was some good news.

Right. You know, she eventually moved and was able to get a job and she moved on and nothing case happened. But when she started talking about when people said like what is going on? And they wanted to know more

like because she's starting to come out more feeling a little more braver. And I tell people too who listen to this podcast, I think you guys agree with me. If there's something going on, like really, like we just talked about a little earlier, please reach out to somebody, you know, parorl investigator or your local BBE priest. a good for somebody. Right. And talk about it because it's important. Yeah. Even if you think you're a little crazy. Okay.

You know, I think there's thousands of stories out there people have not brought up because they. I don't want to be crazy. I don't want to tell them. When I was seven years old, a ghost would come into bed with me of a little girl and it shook me to this day right now, I can't watch a horror movie or I can't, I don't know, I don't like Halloween, whatever it might be. So when they eventually were going through this and trying to figure this out because everybody just wanted the case closed,

right? Like, come on, you know, what's going on. Eventually the reporter was reaching out and saying like, were there really demons? And you know, because it's kind of like one of those things when you hear people say like you were talking about that woman having her story and she kept changing it. She didn't. The Amons did not change their story. He kept saying

over and over. And like I said, there were doctors, and other people to see this neighbor who saw this and everyone was like, yeah, come on, you know, whatever. So one of the things with a 12 year old girl, she told her mental health professionals, because thank God they did get therapy and everything, that she was paralyzed during this whole events and that she felt like being choked every night. So imagine going to bed, you know, and

feeling that way. Now I've talked to some sleep paralysis and they, they tell me, don't call me an expert, but people have had sleep paralysis. And they said, well, it sounds like she has sleep paralysis even though it's terrible, you know, but it's still, you know, something she probably had from all the stress and things like that. But it's still a terrible thing. But she kept telling, Amons kept on telling, this is different, it's something supernatural. Okay. This

wasn't, it's not sleep paralysis. This was not anything. So they actually did have a priest come in. So you're probably asking, why don't they get a priest? You know, why don't they reach out to someone, by the way, to perform an exorcism? Guys, if you ever want toa do this, hopefully don't have. It's harder than you think. >> Mary: Yeah. >> John: So a priestess to come in, they have to look around, they have to do all this reporting.

They have to go through the higher ups. It could be musk. >> Mary: Yes. Before you haved m. It is sad. >> John: Yeah. So hopefully it never happens. So a priest though, who did this, Reverend Michael, Manjo, formed a, blessing at the Ammons and her family and were actually then did a exorcism, because it was authorized by the Bishop of the Catholic Church Diocese of Gary, Indiana. And it was the first one he did in 21 years of service. So this guy said, I don't do this

that often. So if you think I'm doing it. No, this is the first time in like over 20 years I even had to go this. And they performed a major exorcism. So think of the exorcism. I don't know if you guys have seen the movie the Exorcist or seen some similar. Yeah, right. Scary. You know, it's still scary to this day. So they had to perform an exorcism on, the little girl. Okay. And Amons. And they prayed over her and they made appeals to cast out the demons. they named

the demons. I don't know if you're supposed to do that, but okay. tormenting the Amons during the ritual after she looked, up their identities online. So the demons, when they'possessed what happens in exorcisms? It's like in the movie, they'll say their name so, you know, it's usually bad, like blah, blah, blah. You'll be like, oh, crap, that's not Fred. You know, it's not like Fred or Bill. That's not scary. Like you're possessed by Bill, you know, re like ye. Right, okay, whatever. So they

eventually got the Catholic Church blessing. And this is. A priest has said this. Okay. And they're not. You're not gonna have a priest be like, yeah, I need the money, so I'm going to make this up. he cast out more than he said. 20 demons. 20. That's a long night. I don't care where you are. That is a long night. She also said that they also did some major exorcisms on the boys too. They did not give as many demons were there. But I mean, that's crazy, right,

Josh? I mean, that's just. I mean, what do you think? >> Josh: I mean it's. It sounds to the average person like it could be very far fetched. >> John: Yeah. >> Josh: But it is a real thing. At least in my beliefs. I have yet, you know, knock on wood to come across anything quite like that.

But you know, people don't be scared to reach out to somebody, someone like us to document it and to back up your stories and then we can get that evidence in the hands of someone that can do something about it. >> John: Yeah. >> Josh: You know, like a bishop or a priest, you know, but it, I do believe it is a real thing, that

it's not just made for tv. >> Mary: Yeah, I believe it's real too. I just don't believe it's as often as TV makes it up. >> John: Correct, Correct. So one of the things I forgot to mention too is Gary, Police Captain Charles Austin told the indie star in 2014 that, he initially thought the Amons were liars just to get rich. You know what I mean? Kind of like Amityville horror thing. But when he visited the home and interviewed the

witnesses, he came out a believer. Now, there's things you can see on YouTube where Bagel Bitess. Zach Baggins is talking to him, and he said, yeah, I went in there and these kids. He goes, I've seen all forms of abuse in my years. He said, I've seen all liars. And

everybody trying to get out of. I don't beat my kids, and I don't do this. It's demons. It's this. He said this. He goes, the little kids would come out and he would talk to them like, is your mom hurting you? Or whatever. They'd be like, no, it's the demons. Or they'd be like, get out. Like, you shouldn't be here. You need to leave. And the kids would, like, throw stuff at him, just scream at him, like, in a guttural like. Like that. And he'd be like, whoa, not behavior. Yeah. He said, it's

not normal. And he said, okay. So he was convinced. He said, you cannot convince me otherwise. And he's a cop. Cops are not gonna say somethingu like that, right? Because they don't want their buddies, other buddies, being like, yeah, there's a haunted house. Whatever. Yeah, come on. so in 2014, Packbaggins boozed. In 2016, the house. But before that, he filmed the demolition for the demon house documentary. If you watch the documentary, it's

involved. It's on Amazon prime, or I think it's on YouTube. Do not pay that. Zach Baggins has enough money to just find something free. You know, Norlly, I'm not a pirate guy, but I'm like, come on. He's not enough money. >> Mary: Agreed. >> John: In that documentary, if you watch it, it's okay, but, you know, you do what you have to do. One of his teammates on there, as cameraman or somebody, he, like, when he left the house,

his. He, like, got all These tattoos with 666 demons of things on his arms. And when Zach Baggins was talking to him, he was like, really? You know, adversarial. Like, you know, you don't know. And Zach Bagn said, you know, no, this is a nice guy. Like, we've been working together for years. And he eventually quit. And he had all these problems, that guy. It's very

weird. It's like, m. Okay. And then in there you can watch on YouTube they have a little clip where Zach Baggins is sleeping at the house by himself. Course. And he goes temporary blind. He some happens to him. I don't know if you guys can fill it in, but he goes temporarily blind. He goes to the hospital and this is all documented. And he basically has temporary blind. He can't see for I don't know how long. And he just said that's enough. He boo. Now I have ve to asked you guys quick question.

Do you think he bulldozed it because he believes there's something real or do you think he boldldozed it for his own fame? Like, like so you guys couldn't investigate it. No one else could. You know what I mean? It maybe disagree. What do you guys think? >> Mary: That's a good point. Because I feel like a lot dramatized by him specifically. Yeah. just over the years. But if that, if he dramatized, if he bulldoz it so nobody else could go to

prove that it's something else. Why doesn't he do that everywhere he goes? You know what I mean? >> John: Totally good. Yeah. What do you think, Josh?

>> Josh: I think if he's as big of an expert as he makes himself out to be, he also knows that destroying that home doesn't change the situation whatsoever. It's you know, basically he freed that energy if anything. And if it's tied to the land, it's still there to this day. >> John: Yeah. >> Mary: I believe it's with the land. I hope it never gets like >> John: Yeah. >> Josh: But I would have definitely gone there. It would

have been on my list to absolutely. And check out. >> John: Absolutely. >> Josh: This would be a solo one for me. It would have been like they tore down Bobby Mackekie's. >> John: Yes. >> Josh: That was going to be a solo investigation for me. >> John: Right. Right. >> Josh: I'd seen, you know, Beaggins do his. You know, they made it out that it ruined the one

guy's a marriage. But then I've seen other teams go in there and said that it's haunted but it's not anything, you know, to the level that it's being explained as. >> John: Yeah. >> Josh: So I wanted to find out for myself. >> John: Yeah, so did I. So did I, Josh. because it's a perfect dive bar in Wisconsin just like youries. I'm sure you have a dive bar where you're like, it's okay, you know, you can go there and grab a quick beer or whatever. S not gonna get in a bite or

whatever. So let's not. This is where it gets A little weird. Okay, okay. Where I kind of like. But I guess I'DO the same thing. So what? The Ammond and another person, they signed movie deals separate from Baggins on this film in 2014 with Lee. Daniel said the movie's already out, so you can go on Netlix and see it, by the way. But they say the current product project is unclear. That's not true. It

is out right now. The film directed by Lee Daniels, premiered on Netflix on August 30, 2024 and explores the themes of darkness, possession and faith of this event. And the movie is called the Deliverance's on Netflix right now. It is inspired by the true story of Latoya Eun's

family alleged experiences a possession in Gary, Indiana. House features a cast. This ain't a bad cast, folks. Andrea Day, Glenn Close and Monique. I don't know who she is. they got a pretty good deal on. I think it was like over 20 million. It's not like that. It was a nice little deal. Let's just put it there. Maybe it's more, but it was in the millions that they got. I'm like, m. I'm like, it does.

>> Mary: That movie is scary. Like, yeah, that I watched that the one night by myself because he was asleep and like I jumped a few times and I was afraid to go downstairs by myself after watching it. >> John: So does that change your mind? >> Josh: Money has a way of changing everything. >> Mary: It does.

>> Josh: It definitely makes me wonder, I mean, not to take away the credibility of all, you know, the eons family and the officers and, you know, social workers or whatnotts wit things. Yeah, I, I, you know, but that's something I'd have to see with my own two eyes or, you know, or hear, you know, some sort of documentation of it, you know, to really back it up for me. >> Mary: It just definitely makes it more

questionable. It does. >> John: Because you guys know the Amityville house? That was all bullshit. >> Mary: Yep. >> John: That was all everyone getting together and so on and so, So I don't know. So let me ask you this. Let's do a final decision. Okay. I think the demons were possessed to the children for whatever reason or whatever you want to say, but that's all I have. And I can't really say it was

real. I just think there was some type of possession. But then why, like, why that house? Why those kids? I don't know. What do you guys have? Help the outio. >> Mary: I think it did happen. I just don't know the true extent of it because there's no way of, you know, investigating it now to find out, because nothing's there anymore. >> Josh: And I. I definitely agree. The church doesn't go in and just perform an exorcism, Right? >> John: Exactlylywood.

>> Mary: They don't. >> John: No, no. Like I said it had. Yeah. >> Mary: They have to, like, meet, like, criteria. >> John: Yes. >> Mary: To perform one. >> Josh: So, yeah, there was something there. But it's probably greatly dramatized ye for a tv, I believe. >> John: Yes. Which it always is because, you know, everybody wants to. Yeah, everybody wants to think. Because if we were on it for money, we'd all be

millionaires. Right. Because we'd all just be like, oh, yeah, I was at Transania. Holdull my hair, scratch me. Oh, let's make a movie of that. Like, nobody's doing that. You know what I mean? So it's just one of those weird things. So let's put it. I'll put it this way. Is, a maybe. What do you think? >> Josh: Yeah, I'll give it a solid maybe for, >> John: A solid. Yep. >> Mary: Cause there's a lot of things there.

>> John: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. All right, so before we wrap up really quickly, I promise you guys, we're gonna play the newlywed game. We're gonna ask you some questions. If this marriage dissolves because of me, it's not my fault. It's not my fault. Dosh, Mary. >> Mary: That is so, funny. >> John: Okay, so let's do the first thing. First question. If you, Mary, or Josh saw a full body apparition, who would be the first to try to communicate to it? >> Mary: Josh.

>> John: And why? Because he's so brave. >> Josh: I'm usually not the one that has any sort of interactive u. experience outside of a, I seem to be blindfolded doing an eststa session when a lot of action happens close by. >> John: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. >> Josh: Mary says, did you see that? Did you hear that? No. I'm blindfolded and I have headphones. >> Mary: Oh, my. >> John: All right, so this goes into my next question.

What's your partner's pet peeve on an

investigation? Well, what do you guys like? Will you stop that? You always do that. >> Josh: I'd have to say Mary's is. I get too in depth with, Or too elaborate with the gear set up. and she feels as though I'm, you know, I waste some time. >> Mary: Yes. >> John: Is that right, man? Okay. >> Mary: It's 100% right. >> John: Okay, Josh, you gotta get something on Mary

here. She. >> Josh: How should I say? I think she, gets to riled up a little bit about, you know, like, time management and, you know, like, it's a. I mean, we're professional about how we conduct ourselves and how we,

you know, go through and rule out our evidence. But I think she gets a little too serious sometimes and puts a lot of pressure on herself, and then I get to hear the brunt of it. >> Mary: I could agree with that, because I do. I take everything very seriously. >> John: Yeah. Yeah. So then this fits truly well into my next question. Who apologizes first after an argument? >> Josh: Me. >> Mary: He's right.

>> Josh: I might take a few minutes. She might take a day or two. >> John: Well, Mary, we know the're real marriy up. >> Mary: that's funny. >> John: So here. Here's a couple more. Really quickly. Which of you would be most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse? >> Mary: That's easy, Josh. >> John: Mary. >> Josh: You know, even trying, I believe it'll be heruse I'll get killed saving her. >> John: O, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Mary's

gonna turn into a zombie and bite you? That's what you're saying? >> Josh: Well, that's definitely possible. I think she might get herself in a bad situation and I'm gonna come rushing in y and end up taking the fall. >> John: O, Mary, come on. So, okay, so this is. This is something I like to ask. I'm not trying to get you guys into trouble again. Like I said, no, this is fun. Okay. Where was your first date? >> Mary: You're gonna love this. >> Josh: Oh, yeah.

>> John: All right. >> Mary: You are gonna love this. Asylum. >> John: Love itute. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, Josh, did you be like, hey, Mary, you're kind of cute. You want to come with me and investigate? Sure, I'll go and investigate. >> Mary: It was an investigation. It was for the Halloween, like the haunted. But yeah, like, that was our first date. We knew each other for many, many years before we ever dated. But that was our first date.

>> Josh: Yeah, Pennurst and I followed that up with Eastern State Penitentiary the following week. >> John: There's no romantic dinner. All like, hey, Han, let's go out. We'll have some drinks, some romantic.

No, come on, let's get hiten and scared and scratched. That's hilarious, guys. That will go up, on when I put this on social media. I will put that up there. That is the first one. Because most people be like, you know, we met at work and, you know, he. I said, you want to go and grab some lunch? And you know, your guys are like, no, what are you gu talking about? >> Mary: What pe peners? >> John: I love it. I love it. Okay, last question. Which one of you is the party animal?

>> Josh: I'm Retired. >> John: Well, when you guys were younger, let's say. All right, who is the party an. >> Josh: Me M. We both were. >> Mary: O. You stay, call me. >> Josh: We both had our time. Yeah, I love, love it now. We're both the cheapest dates in the area. >> John: You guys just go to the local convenience store. Yeah, let's just get a SOB and a cokee. whatever. >> Josh: Yeah, the six pack will last us a while.

>> John: And this is before we wrap up. I got to ask this question. Mary, I will start with you, Josh. This is nothing against you, so don't take it personal. So if you could do an investigation with anybody, rich, famous, wherever or anywhere in the world, let's say I'm a billionaire. This is what

I say. I'm a billionaire. I say, mary, I'm m gonna let you take my private jet. You can take anybody you want with you instead of Josh. No offense, Josh, I'll get to you in a second. Who are you gonna take? Where are you gonna go and investate? >> Mary: Amy Allen. I love her. Have always loved her for many years. >> John: Okay. >> Mary: And some. Some castle. >> John: England. Scotland. Ireland. >> Mary: Ye. Ireland, England. Some castle. It's a dream.

>> John: Love it. I love it. I'll make that happen when I win the lottery. >> Mary: Awesome. >> John: Josh, same question. Mary, don't get mad. >> Josh: Him, I'd have to say Dave Schrader. M. And I would like to, investigate the catacombs in Paris with him. >> John: I love that. >> Mary: Great answer. >> John: I love this. >> Josh: Yeah, One of the few, in this field that is, you know, a big fish, so to speak, that does not dramatize a thing.

>> John: Yeah, I love that. >> Josh: Love that. >> John: You guys have great answers. Mine is very simple. Beyonce and Transylvania. Dracula, Castle. My wife already knows I'm in love with Beyonce. Like, if she became free. My wife's out of the picture. And, my wife laughs at me. Of course. Yeah, sure. Beyonce wants you. Hey, that was me. Yeah. No, I love Transylvania. I've said this many, many, many, many times on the podcast. It's absolutely gorgeous.

Guys, go check it out. Go Google it. You'll be like, damn, John was right. >> Mary: Yeah, Josh loves it too. Like, he loves the stories. >> Josh: Thealers Castle. I mean, come on. Yeah, much better than that. >> John: Yeah. And it's fairly untouched by tourism because, well, Hollywood kind of ruined it. They made it look like it's, you know, raining all the time and foggy and werewolves and you're gonna die there, and you'rea be like, no, actually not. It's actually

gorgeous. And people are supposed to be super nice. And. And the Draculus castle still is their moneyker. So thank you guys for going over time. This was amazing. This is so much fun. That's why I love having married couples who are paranorma investigators. But could you tell my spooky friends what you guys got coming up? What are you guys looking to do here? >> Mary: We got a lot. So Waverly 5-8-M Pennhurst. >> Josh: We have our first private at Pennhurst.

>> Mary: I think it's June. I forget the exact date in June. >> Josh: Then we'renna follow that up with a. >> Mary: Trans Allegheny in September. >> Josh: And then to end the year, we're well we're going to actually host a public ghost hunt for amateurs in Gettysburg. >> Mary: But the end of the year one as of now because Josh always finds one more placeitually we have Fort Mifflin on November 1st. >> John: I love that you that guys. That is

really awesome. And like I said, I did a roundtable of married couples of paranorma investigators. I would love to have you guys back on for that ca becausee that was so much fun. And I

know you guys sound like got things going on, but maybe we can work that out and have you guys on. because I think you're really niceuse. Everybody talked to each other and they were like, how do you do this and how do you guys are. You know, was just really nice to see people connecting and then telling them, hey, if you're down in Florida or if you're in Texas or you're wherever, come on down. We're doing co investigation together. And I was thinking that. I love that

bringing people together. So again, thank you so much. When you o By the way, just a quick favor for me and my spooky friends. When you guys go places, anything you want to share with me so I can put it on my social feed and stuff. You guys got a cool EVP or something, please share with me. I'll put up there because it's awesome just to

have people listen to different things. And of course when this episode comes out, I'll let you guys know and all the links and everything will be out there that people can check you out and make sure, you know, give you a little love or clicks or whatever you guys want. And especially with that event, whenever that's up, please let me know. I'll reach out to my spooky friends and say, hey, if you're in the area, I, do have a lot of listeners in Pennsylvania, so you know,

go take that out so thanks guys. Thanks for going over time with. Yeah, that Hollywood Newlywood game was fun. I'm glad you guys are still married after so. All right guys, stayy bye.