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And please go to my Patreon, check that out, become a parasconi for only $3, a spooky friend for a dollar. And remember, stay spooky. Hello, my spooky friends, this is John, your host of Dairyland Frights. And welcome to another episode of Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast that covers everything spooky, creepy, and mysterious in the midwest. But tonight we're gonna go a little bit away from the midwest. We'll stay with the topic, but I have some great spooky guests on the show.
It continues. I'm so blessed to have these guys on from the podcast beyond the shadows. Welcome.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, thanks a lot, really.
We're excited to be here.
It is Ryan and left shoe Bandit.
I forgot that was up there. The last bunch we did that. It's Scott.
Yes.
It'S a long story.
So before I get into questions with Ryan and Scott here again, please check these Ryan and Scott's podcasts out. It's really wonderful. They do some really cool stuff. They have some mini clips and stuff, some paranormal things, some mysteries, a little bit of things that you go, well, that's strange. Like, wait a minute. And you'll watch their clips and you'll try to figure it out. And that's where I saw these guys. And I'm like, I gotta get them on the podcast.
And they were very gracious enough to come on. So thank you again. So let's talk about your podcast. But first, I want you guys to tell me about health. Ryan, let's start with you. Why did you decide to do a podcast and kind of focus on the paranormal and some other things?
So during my life, I've always been in all things mysterious, paranormal, true crime. It's been a interest of mine since going back as long as I can remember, unsolved mysteries. Whatever show was on, I was watching it. And then if I was really into it, like Nessie or Bigfoot or something, I'd dig further, have my mother take me down to the library so it's kind of like a lifelong passion.
So maybe about a year and a half ago, Scott reached out to me, and he was in the mood to do a podcast, which I wasn't overly familiar with. I didn't really listen. I knew what they were, but I didn't really listen to them. So I was like, yeah, I don't know. But then when we started talking about possible ideas and it meshed exactly with the. The things I enjoyed, I was like, you know, why not be able to look into the things you love and talk about them? It doesn't get much better than that.
You know what I mean? So that's kind of where we met in terms of the true crime and the paranormal and whatever, and that's what we're doing now.
So before I get to Scott Ryan, I have to ask you a question. Did you watch Leonard Nimoy's in search of. Do you remember that show?
I have seen some of it, yeah. Not all of them, but I've seen some of them.
Do yourself a favor. It is the greatest thing ever. Leonard Nimoy's voice from Star Trek. Don't know that. Some people don't always know who he was. The great thing is most of them on YouTube now. You can get them or you can find him somewhere. You know, what I love to do is to turn off the lights, put it on, and they used to do these like half an hour thing, and they would have this weird music like Bigfoot. And then you're. I can't do letter. Nimoy's voice. Sorry.
Nobody cares.
I thought you nailed it. That was it.
Yeah. And then I really loved unsolved mysteries because Robert Stack would come in and there'd be fog. He's always fog around. It wouldn't matter.
Such a romantic voice just builds attention. Now shatters got his own shows like the whole Star Trek. They've all branched off in their own. But it's a fascinating genre and there's, you know, there's enough room for so many shows. There's so many mysteries. And I'll watch the same mystery covered on three or four different shows because everybody else got a, like, slightly different take or a slightly different angle.
Sometimes they have a little bit more information or, you know, and it's, yeah.
There'S always a little something you didn't know. You hear a little tidbit pieces.
Yeah. And that's what I love, too, about your podcast and my podcast, where we talk about maybe similar subjects, but we do it in a different way. So if someone's looking for a little variety or whatever, they can be like, hey, I can listen to Scott Ryan beyond the shadows, or I can listen to John Deereland Bright. So, Scott, tell me about yourself and how you got into the paranormal.
Well, I get into it. Just. I think I said this on someone else's podcast, a mental illness. I can't. I don't do well with winners. I can't stand to be cooped up. You know, I get cabin fever really bad.
I hear you.
So I actually, I bet I was into podcast. I've been listening to him for quite a while, and I'm always, when I was listening, I'm always like, man, I think I could do that. Maybe I knew I couldn't do it by myself. And then I hit up Ryan. Ryan's my cousin, so. So I hit up Ryan, and I'm like, hey, man, I got an idea. Let's try this. And so it grew. It went from there. We didn't really know how many episodes we would go.
We didn't know how long it would go for, but we didn't really think anybody was going to listen. But it's. We're 80, what? 384 episodes in. It's been well over a year now, and it's going really good. So.
Yeah. Yeah. And I love you guys. You guys have fun. And you sound interesting, really interested in the subject, which, which I love. Like, I listen to a lot of post, especially during the work day, just because I'm like, yeah, it makes my day go faster, but the ones I typically stick to are the ones that I like. The people who are talking about things like you guys, maybe you got, you know, I don't like the big studio then, you know. You know what I mean?
They have the million dollar budget and the intern getting them coffee and that. You know what I'm saying?
It's like, you don't have a.
Hey, I hear you. I hear you.
One for each one of us.
Yes. Pay is optional.
It's an internship.
You're getting experience. So take it or leave.
What not to do.
So tell me about your podcast. Like, if I was like, I don't. Nothing, let's say I know nothing about it, and I'm like, hey, what's this about? What would you, what would you tell someone that kind of, like.
So I would describe us as a dark based podcast. We cover a lot of dark subjects, but we, we approach it with, like, a bit of ADHD. Scott and I, we take turns. If nobody's ever listened to it. We take turns each week. So Scott will tell a story one week. He'll do all the researching, and he'll tell the story the next week. I will do the same. And so we will cover everything from mysteries, disappearances, paranormal, true crime, reincarnation, possessions, all those things dark.
I think what keeps us interesting, though, is. So if it's Scott's weak. I don't have a script, nor does he on mine. A lot of times, right until prior to recording, I don't even know what he's covering, nor does he. I. So I think that keeps the conversation and all the perspectives fresh. And I think both of us, when we're the listener, try to approach it from the standpoint of the listener and maybe ask those
questions that they would ask, you know? So we want it to come off as more like an experience in a community rather than just a podcast. So we encourage listeners to write in with any questions, hit us up on any of the social media, just say hi. So I think that's. That's kind of where we're at.
Yeah. The thing is, is that me and Ryan are. Our taste in what we do is completely different. He's the. He's a true crime guy. Well, different kind of true crime. He'll do the. He'll do the serial killers and stuff like that. I let him do that. That's his specialty. He's pretty good at it, really. Our pit is overflowing. He's doing a really good job. But, no, he does a lot of that stuff. We do the ghost. I do a lot of alien, UFO, and different types of true crime, you know, but we.
So it's always. It's always something different. You know, we mix it up that way. And we have a segment of the show that we actually. Our show is broken up into three segments. When we first start and we come on, we do some. Usually, it's some kind of funny or pertinent news to what we talk about. And so we do a news segment. Normally, it's some kind of crazy stories, and then after the news, we go into the actual story that we're doing that week.
And then after that, we have a segment of the show, like Ryan said, it's called the Fire Pit, where we encourage listeners or other podcasts or anybody who has their own story to send it in. They can record it or they can write it down or whatever, but send it to us, and we will play it in the fire pit. So for everybody to hear. So we. That's how our show is. Just broken up into those three segments so that.
I love that. And we talked off air. I already got a fire pit story that we'll have to work out here.
Sounds like an interesting one for sure.
It's crazy. So one of the things I want to ask you guys, how do you guys. Now, Ryan, when you pick a topic like what interests you in the topic? Because we're kind of doing a kind of true crime tonight, one, I won't give something away, just a little tease. But what interests you now?
I'll actually think about it maybe like, a month ahead of time. So what I'm doing next week, I'm already thinking about. And then I'm generally thinking two or three topics ahead of time. But I can't tell you what lands me on a particular subject. I will do, say, a serial killer one week, and then, you know, it'll be Scott's week the next week and then the week after that. I'm thinking, you know what? There's a fascinating haunting I've been thinking about. I'm going to dive into that.
And as much for the listeners as it is for myself, I jump around to keep it fresh. So I don't want to do three true crimes in a row. I don't really have a strategy. I just try to keep it fresh and land on a subject that interests me because it's going to show through in your work. If I did something I wasn't interested in or passionate about, it's gonna show through in the performance, so to speak, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
So that basically how I land on that.
So have you ever done a story, Ryan? Let's say I'm just gonna pick with serial killers. Have you? Cause there I always laugh, I always tell people, and it drives my wife crazy. When I'm in a party, when I'm getting bored, I talk serial killers, and you just see people just slowly move away from it. And my wife goes, will you stop that? And I'll be like, hey, do you know Jeffrey Dahmer used to have a brilliant Christmas party having a bag of.
Dicks in your closet?
Is that up? We have bag of **** parties all the time.
Nobody told us.
No one said dicks.
Is that bad etiquette?
I'm gonna party with you guys, toss.
Out the bag of dicks, I guess.
But, you know, it's her fault for bringing me to the Christmas party. That's why I said I didn't want to go. Now she's how she's smartened up. She's like, you are not going because you're going to do your serial killer stories. And I'm like, ****.
It makes you tick. It's up to her. She brings you there and you go off. It's her fault, not yours.
It's only her fault.
All the information beforehand. She made the choice.
So I got. I got a recommendation for you guys. I just did the story on a serial killer called Herb Baumeister. You guys heard of him?
I'm only familiar with that because that's one you just did with Kevin from where the weird ones are. Right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I've only heard that name from that episode. We listen to that. I thought it was great. Great episode.
Yeah.
Otherwise I'm not familiar with that one.
I highly recommend to do this one because when you look at this guy, he's the only thing I could say. He looks like a guy who does your taxes. I mean, there's the only way I can describe it. He's not a guy that they think killed over 50 people. 50.
And.
Yeah, right. And at Fox Hollow Farm, he. What he did was. And I just. Okay, this doesn't make any sense. And people listen to the episode here. I. I gotta plug myself, too, guys. I seen the episode where he used to, like, grind up the skeletons and then scatter the bone like you would fertilize your lawn. So there are bones everywhere on this farm. Everywhere. They're just. They've been finding this for the guy who lives there now. Well, his family that lives there now. Yeah. It's not.
You know, they'll be like, out in the woods walking. There's a female. It's crazy what he did. The guy was unbelievable. And that he was married for 15 years when he was doing this is crazy. How's that even possible? My wife knows when I, like, take extra out of the.
Whatever, you know, you come home covered in blood. Oh, no, nothing, honey. Just bone.
Taking the trash down or were you killing somebody?
Killing somebody. Here's my bag of dicks.
One more for the bag.
Yeah. Ladies, check. Check your man's closet. If there's a bag of dicks up.
There, it's a bit of a red flag.
Yeah, yeah. If he tells you not to go in the closet, go in that closet.
Not my bag of dicks. I found it in the road. I was gonna bring it to the cops tomorrow.
So. Anyway, that's just something if you guys want to look into. Please look into. I think you guys surprised this guy that it's unbelievable. And that, you know, he has a farm that people. Well, not really a farm, but as you guys listen to a house, really nice house that people live in, are like, yeah, okay. Yeah, all right. I'm cool with it. Okay. So, Scott, tell me about one of the things you said you taught.
Do you like UFo's? And one thing has always fascinated me because I'm really into it, too, is we've basically told the american public, right, there's UFO's. And people have treated it like, okay.
Yeah, I don't think people are paying attention. They're not paying. No, because there is so much stuff out right now about UFO. If you're a person that's even a little bit interested, you could pull it, go on YouTube and pull up the news. And on the legitimate news, there's hundreds of stories. There's one today, you know, and I'm not talking about stories of, look here, there's a UFO. I share that stuff on Instagram all the time.
I'm talking about, oh, there's another congressional meeting to talk about. You, the governor, our government, hiding UFO's from us. So, I mean, yeah, it's such a hot topic right now. So many people just aren't paying attention.
Yeah, so same with you, Scott. Do you choose your stories kind of like Ryan does? Like, I'm kind of in the mood to talk about that.
Yeah, well, I got the ones that I like, and then, like him, I'm like, I don't want to do the same exact thing over and over. For a little stretch there I was doing a lot of alien abductions, and I'm like, I need to spread this out and kind of move it around a little bit. So I like. So, I do like true crime, but I like the different kind of stuff. Like this next episode I'm doing is about the Silk Road. It's a Internet about. He ran a drug prize on the Internet, on the dark web.
So, I mean, I like to do some of the stuff like that mixed in with hauntings. And, you know, I like to do. If I've done a haunting, I'll move on to UFO onto some other type of true crime or reincarnation or something like that. Some survival stories. I love stuff like that.
Yeah. So does either of you have a favorite episode so far? I mean, you're only about 83 or whatever episodes. And do you have a favorite so far that you're like, man, maybe we'll revisit this one.
Yeah, we've got one that I've done that I've looked into is. It was called the devil. Devil in Carolina. Zuzu Algorad. I think it was North Carolina. He's. I can't even describe him. You'd have to listen to it. You wouldn't believe it happened if you didn't. I saw a special about it on tv. That's where I was like, I've never heard of this guy. And I dug into that, and I was like, wow, it's crazy. So it's not one of those ones that happened 100 years ago. It was, like 910 years ago.
It's crazy that that **** can actually happen. But that's my favorite one that I've dug into. Unfortunately, there's no further. There's no follow up episodes. It's tied up.
Yeah. Yeah. And Scott.
Scott said a bunch. I have favorites of, but I'll let him tell you which is my favorite would be.
It was. I like the story, but it's probably because we had the most fun on. It would be the divot box. It's a. And there's a lot of. There's a lot of humor for us in it because the guy was just. I don't know, some of the stuff he did, but that was. That's my favorite. It was probably the most fun episode that. That I did. Ryan's got a few that I really. The last one Ryan did was fantastic.
Which was the.
Now I just forgot. The Yumba county five.
Yeah. The Yuba county five. Yeah.
And what's that one that rings a bell? What's that again?
So it was five. Five good friends drove off to see a basketball game in California in 1978, and they never came home. They found four of them in the woods. They never found the fifth. So there's a ton of mystery and intrigue surrounding that one. As far as why they were where they were, what happened to them, I mean, nobody knows. I mean, all these years later, they still have absolutely no idea what happened to these guys.
Yeah.
I like.
Yeah, that is so. That is so weird. And it's. I mean, it's fairly recent, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because a lot of stuff I do, like, in the 18 hundreds, by the way, was just this terrible place. I do a lot of ghost stories to do, a lot of history of haunted places. It's like. And the, you know, father killed his daughter and his, you know, his wife because he went insane and blah, blah. I'm like, didn't anybody have a good time in the 18 hundreds? Anybody?
Those stories are easier to tell, though, because you don't have to worry about family and stuff like that. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Right.
Sometimes, yeah.
You can have a last reason. You don't have to worry about offending anybody.
You don't want to offend anybody.
Yeah.
And then there's no forensics or any research whatsoever to speak about because they didn't exist. You know, I didn't have a face. They weren't going to find him.
Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. It's not like they had cell phones. Where you go? I got him. He's right there.
I just pinged it off his horse. His horses?
Positive.
He had two legs in an arm.
Okay, so let me ask you this, though, before we get to the topic. Have either of you had a paranormal experience you would like to share?
I think we've actually both had.
We've had lots.
Okay.
So we've covered a lot of them on the show, but.
Okay, but. But a personal one. Tell me one that's, you know, that maybe you guys have.
I'll go for a Scott, if you don't mind.
No.
So when I was in college, so this is one of mine, so when I was in college, I'm dating myself a bit, so it goes back a ways. But I had a group of friends I hung out with, and it was around the same time that MTV's fear was on, if you remember that.
Love it.
So they were always egging me on, or vice versa, to do something stupid. So one of the guys grew up in a small town, about an hour or so from me. So it's not an area I was familiar with then, or even M. He had a long backstory that went with this, with this house. And he told me it had been featured on a few shows due to the paranormal activity inside. I never verified any of that, but the bet he made me was basically that I wouldn't spend the night in the attic of that house by myself.
So I decided to take them up on it. And so we drove out in the middle of nowhere, and I mean middle of nowhere, so no one entered the house but me. They all set up big tents in the field next to the house and by the attic window. I can say that if he had cooked up the whole story, they picked the perfect house because it was creepy ish ****. So I want to say, I don't remember now. It's been so long.
I had to go in at about 1110 or eleven, like that night, and I wasn't allowed out to like, 530 next morning. So basically I was supposed to. They weren't going in with me. So the only way they were gonna know that I was in the house, is that I had to shine a flashlight out of the attic window. There's a single window every hour on the hour. That way they didn't have to go in with me, and they knew I wasn't, like, hiding out in the field somewhere else. And the next morning, okay, here I am.
I get my $50. So other than that, I was on my own. They just went. We parked. They went out into the field next to the house. I went into the house. So once I wait and made my way inside, it was really green, but it basically looked like nobody had been there for 50 years. Like, the stuff was still there. Cobwebs, spiders, all that stuff. But, uh, otherwise it looked like the people had just been there recently, you know? I don't know how to describe it other than that.
So when I get to the bottom of the stairs, it's like a huge pit. Like, there was a hole in the floor. Like, I'd say ten by ten. So it was a grand staircase, but I couldn't get to the grand staircase without, like, creeping along the wall behind it.
Yeah.
So that's kind of what I had to do. So I make my way up the stairs. No, I should mention, they sent me in with a really ****** flashlight that was. I had no gear. I had a flashlight, basically. Barely worked in, like, four of those. Like, navy. One of my buddies was navy. I don't know where it came from, but, like, glow sticks. The kind you'd shake up.
Yeah, yeah.
Give you, like, no light for three.
Yeah.
That was my supplies. So I made my way up the stairs. So I know the attic is on the third floor. So I make my way up to the second floor. But the stairs don't go to the third floor. So it's a big, grand staircase. Now I've got to check out the entire second floor with my little ****** flashlight. I find the stairs. At the end of a long hallway. There's a door. Steep set of stairs, another door. So I go up the stairs, close the door behind me. Now I'm in the big attic.
It's, you know, huge attic, but it's got, like, all kinds of old **** in the middle, so I wasn't dealing with that ****. So I moved everything way off to one side, because I want a clear view of this attic. I want to know what's coming up behind you, beside you. So I clear everything off to one side, and I sit against the wall on the far side of the room. So I've got a clear view of the whole attic, and I'm staring back at the door behind me. Now, I'm not worried about my.
I'm not worried about paranormal. My friend who told me about the house, it's just so full of **** that I know the whole story is made up and they're just gonna screw with me. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna have my eyes on that. On the stairs. I know what's go. So that's what I do. I plop down in the corner facing the door and the window, the sole window is to my left, maybe 6ft up. There is a decent moonlight that night, so I wasn't completely in the dark, even without the flashlight.
So I do have some light. So I, you know, I plop down against the wall maybe about 11:00 and nothing happens for hours, which I didn't expect. Maybe about 3330. I finally hear that downstairs door open, which I expect, like I said, I expected they were gonna **** with me. I would have, yeah, right? And then I hear the clomp, clomp on the stairs. But it was so slow and methodical. I'm like, these drunk idiots don't have the patience to do this. They would come barrelling up.
They're outside playing pong this whole time. I can hear them through the window. They're just ******* around and drinking and playing. It's clomb. Clomb. And I mean, really slow, like 20 seconds a step. By time, they reach the inner door, I'm like, man, these guys are being real patient. So the door finally cracks open, and then, like fog or a mist comes in. Now I'm thinking, jesus, these guys aren't messing around. They sorry, I got my dog in my face. These guys brought a smoke machine.
So it starts coming through the door, and I'm like, jesus, these guys have gone next level.
Yeah.
So slowly the smoke and the mist comes through the door. But after, like 30 seconds or so, I realize it's not them. Kind of makes its way across the room in like a slow. It's like a methodical fashion. Like the smoke, the mist. I don't know how to describe it better than that, but it knew where it was going. It was maybe 2ft across the floor, and the whole thing was maybe four or 5ft long.
Wow.
A snake wouldn't describe it right, but that's kind of how it moved. Like a slow smoke fashion. Kind of moved across the room in that fashion. So it made its way across the room to the window over a period of a minute or so. So I'm like 6ft away. It finally reaches the window, and once it reaches the window, it slowly takes on a human form, distinctly human form, not a lot of features visible, but without a doubt a human form. Now I'm definitely like, oh, Jesus.
So I'm staring at it and I'm thinking, well, maybe I can make a break for it because this thing doesn't know I'm here about that, that, that second the head turns distinctly at me. As I said, I'm here, it looks directly at me and I'm like, oh my God. So I would say maybe it felt to me like an hour, but maybe 30 seconds pass and then it kind of devolves back into the smoky form and it goes back out of the room slowly.
But this time the door doesn't close behind it and there's no footsteps going back down the stairs this time. So I'm guessing, like I said, it was about 330 in the morning and I still got like an hour and a half to go. Now I'm going to say that I finished the night out in the attic, but it wasn't because I was brave. It's because I don't know where the hell this thing went. Didn't hear any doors close, and I don't want to. I waited until the sun came up.
Nothing else happened that night and I made my way out of the house with no further incident. But it was creepy as hell. So I meet the guys the next day. I'm like, tell me you saw that. But unfortunately it went to the window during one of those time periods where I wasn't due to flash my light out the window. So they weren't looking. So nobody saw it.
Great.
No one believed him. No, they don't.
To this day they don't.
Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that is spooky.
That's a crazy Scott.
How about you?
I've got a million I'll try to tell one that I haven't told any time recently. Okay. So when I was a kid, I grew up in a haunted house here in southern Maine. It's been said to be haunted by the people who lived in it before us and the people who live in it after us tell people that it's haunted. So it's, it's, it's definitely hot.
But, um, yeah, so there was always something going on in the house and I was probably say I was probably 1011 years old and in my bedroom, you know, back in the day, we had all the posters up everywhere, you know, yes. Yeah. Some Farrah Fawcett post a date myself. Anyways, all around my room.
Charlie.
Yes, I had that one. And I had these little glow in the dark stickers, and I put them on the posters, on the ceiling, on the walls, everywhere. And the whole room, when you shut off the light, it lit up like the, you know, like the stars outside. And so one night I was laying in my bed with the lights off, going to sleep out of, like, the corner of my eye, I see something, you know, all those stars are lit up, but I see something, like, black.
And it just, like, comes in and takes the form of, like, all of a sudden it was like, real quick, like something was standing over, looking down over the bed. But it was, like, black. It's that black that you can't describe. It's like almost an absence of everything. It's not just. It's just so dark black, and it just. There was nothing. And then you just see, like Ryan described as, like a fog, but it was blackness. And just into the shape of somebody. And as I'm.
It's. It formed it towards, towards the end of my bed. And then I watched it start to move across the room. And as it was moving, those glow in the dark stars would go out as it moved in front of them. So you like to say, you know, it's like a shadow, but it had mass to it because as it went by, the stars went out, and as it passed by, they lit back up. And I was absolutely terrified. I mean, I had stuff happen to me in the house as a kid. It spooked me. It scared me. This was really scary.
It's just one of those incidents. And as it's walking, it's walking down the side of my bed. And I remember just being absolutely paralyzed. Not that I could probably move, but I wasn't moving. I was frozen. Yeah, yeah. And then it dissipated, went away after what seemed like it was probably like 5 seconds, but it, it seemed like forever. But you could just track it as it went across the room because of those stars.
I don't know for you, but for me, when they dissipated, that was scarier. If you can just say that, because now you don't know where they are.
I'm just glad it was gone. It wasn't.
You kind of say, you know, it's there. I gotta. If they can be anywhere, you know, like, I've got eyes on them, and then they dissipate and, you know, they didn't just disappear. They're somewhere, but now they're somewhere where you can't see them. For me, so. So for me, that was definitely scary.
I never know because the house. The house was definitely haunted, but you never know if it's the same spirit each time, because it was a woman that typically haunted our house, but that didn't feel like a woman that felt way darker. And, you know, if something's haunted, you don't know if it's just open to other things or what. But that was. That was very, very creepy.
Wow.
Typically, it was a woman that haunted the house, and she really wasn't, like, that scary, but that was.
Yeah, I. I'm just amazed. You're one of the many guests Scott have been on the podcast who said, yeah, I live in a haunted house. It's like, oh, yeah. Like, I had people tell me from their doors opening to seeing shut knocks on the wall to scratches on the wall, you know, and I always ask them this. I always ask people who lived in haunt house the same question, why didn't you leave your parents? Just like, whatever.
It's the typical story you hear. My father forever didn't believe anybody you tell them, and they're like, yeah, okay. Or if he did see something, he was telling us he didn't. At first, I didn't see, you know, whatever. Your kids are crazy. But then it started becoming so obvious to even him, actually. It started focusing more on him, I think, because he was the man of the house.
And like we said, we know that a woman had passed away in the home, and she passed away from cancer back in the early seventies. We didn't know that before moving in, but we found that out quite a bit after moving out, actually. Yeah, but. But it focused. Started to focus on him, and then he said stuff. But we'd lived there for so long, by the time that it was there, it was just. It just became part of your life. It was never. It was spooky. It was scary.
But sometimes you go six months and nothing would happen. You know, it's not like when you live in a haunted house. If something happens every day, you can go months and nothing happens. And then over, like a week, spin 1012 different things will happen. It's. I think I said it on another show, but it's like the energy level. The more people that were in the house, the more stuff would have, the more energy that was there, especially the more kids that were there.
They were living off of that energy. I believe that's true, because when there was more kids, it was more active. But, yeah, you know, six months nothing at all.
Yeah. The other thing people told me and tell me, Scott, this is true. When there was major thunderstorms in the area, they would notice increase in activity like I would them. You know, I'd have people tell me.
Tell you, oh, John.
When there was a bad storm, bad electrical storm, I would see the shadows for sure.
Well, when we had an electrical storm, I remember my parents bought me a brand new tv, and it was plugged in. I had it for two days, and we had an electrical storm, and it hit our house. It hit raise. The house itself got struck. So in. And on a different storm, the tree in front of the house was struck, and the tree came down on the power lines after. But I had that tv, and the house got struck, and they hit the flashing, and every tv in the house was on, but it blew up my brand new tv.
It lasted two ******* days. Anyway, I'm not bitter, but. So, yeah, we were like a magnet for electricity. I don't know if the storm made it worse or whatever, but, yeah, right out the house got hit and the tree out front got hit. So maybe.
Awesome. That's. That's great. Thanks, guys, for sharing that. By the way, like I said, my spooky friends out there, I will put Ryan and Scott's information out there and links in the episode when it comes out. And you definitely want to check these guys out because they have some, like I said, great stories. And as they said, you know, they don't want. They want to keep it fresh. So I think that's always a good thing. Rather than hearing the same story three months later, you already came in.
You know we already know that story, right? So I got a little teaser here for you before we get into the main story. So the Holmes death castle. I love that name. Or murder Castle, even better. Was built by a serial killer, hH Holmes, back in 1893. And this is why he built it. I love this, too. The hotel was built to lure 1893 World's fair visitors, where guests would be tortured and murdered and. Guys, please tell me you didn't read the script. But if you did, that's okay. Take a guess.
The location of the murder castle. What is it? Right now? What do you. What do you think the location is? An apartment building? A house.
I seen this. Take a guess.
Government building of some sort, right?
Yeah. It's a post office.
Yes. The location is a USP's post office, which is kind of true. So if you go on Google and you look up the murder castle address, there's a post office. There's some apartment buildings, and there's. It's really funny. There's, like this tree, and supposedly, if you're being exact, the murder castle is where this tree is. However, people, I'm going to this post office, guys, the location. The people in the post office say it's always a negative vibe. Well, it's the post office. Come on.
Government building. Here's what they have heard. And they have heard screams. So people in the post office have said, every year in Chicago, you see, they go down for Halloween, they interview the postage post office people. And some quit because they have seen apparitions. They have hearing screams. And some just like, I'm out of there. And dogs who pass. So you walk in your dog, you pass this building or in this area, either dogs will start yelping, or they'll just drag you along, like.
Like, hey, let's go, master. Let's. Come on. We're out of here. And it's really weird, too, when I looked it up, too, there's some ghost haunts that go in the area. And obviously, you can't go into the post office and check it out. But when you go past, people have said they feel, like, strange, like there's somebody watching them or they feel dread. It's a really, really weird place. And it's just a little section of Chicago, kind of the suburbs of Chicago.
It's just a little area, a little sidewalk, you know, not even a block walk.
The entire building is gone. Right? The murder castle. Yeah, they stretched like a block to a block. So it was a huge building, but, like, no vestige of it survives in any form. It's all gone.
Absolutely not. Nope, nope. They made sure of that. So let me give you a little history, guys, of this. So in 1893, the world's fair was in Chicago. And you got to remember the world's fair in that time. I mean, they were showing things like, my God, this is a comb. And this is like an engine or something. Like, you know, like, this is. You know what I'm saying? I'm being silly, but you get the idea.
It's like you didn't have to kill the animal yourself.
Made from plants.
Yeah, right. Exactly. It's like, here's a class, you know, like, okay. But anyway, they were celebrating, and they don't do this anymore. 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in America's. We don't do that anymore because if you look at Christopher Columbus, whoops, we shouldn't celebrate this guy anymore. So this enormous exhibition featured, like, I said, many wondrous exhibits, including, this is what I love. Like I said, including the first gas powered motor car.
Yes. So they had that in there. The dime Daimler Quadra cycle. I don't know what that is, but okay, sounds badass.
I really don't want to drive.
This is my favorite. And I showed it to my wife, and my wife, and I said, oh, absolutely, we're there. 1500 pound statue of the Venus de Milo made of chocolate. But here's the thing. It was in the summer, so I asked the same question. My wife was thinking, wait a minute. How did they keep it, like, from melting? And I don't know, guys. I know.
It'S day quick.
It's like 31 million people that went to that. They ate that **** with a quickness.
Yeah. Right. So, however, the world's fair became better known for this structure that was more gruesome than organizers could have imagined. The so called murder castle of hh Holmes, America's first meted serial killer. And I want to make clear, documented. Okay. There have been serial killers before. So you know my audience out there. I know I get a lot of emails. He wasn't the first serial killer. It was blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, he's the first documented one.
So let's talk about hh. And I'm only gonna do a really brief overview because I'm reading a book right now about it, and I'm gonna have to come back to it because I was, like, reading this book, and I'm like, oh, my God. I'd keep these poor guys here for 4 hours. They'd be like, stop, John, stop.
Devil in the white city. You're reading right now.
Yes.
That's a fascinating book.
Absolutely fascinating. Just loved it. Let's just give you a basic interview of hh Holmes. So hh Holmes was born herman webster mudgate. Okay. I can see why he changed his name. In new Hampshire, 1861. As an adult, he abandoned his young wife and child. This. He starts out to be a great guy. Right, guys? In 1885 to move to Illinois. Once there, he changed his name to Holmes, reportedly as a homage to the fictional english detective Sherlock Holmes. There you go, sir. Sir Arthur Corn and Doyle.
You get a kind of guy that said, I love your books. I'm going to name myself, and I'm an evil sob. Great. So soon after he arrived in Chicago area, Holmes took up work at a pharmacy located near Jackson park. And one of the biggest things is, eight years later, Jackson park would become the site of the 1893 World's Fair. So people asked, like, did he know this is like, well, there's no way he could have known it, right? You know, and as a pharma. As a pharmacist, by the way, he was horrible.
I'm just starting to read the book, rip people off. He would be a snake oil salesman to be a cliche term. Like, oh, yeah, oh, I got a. You got a bad headache. Oh, here you go. And he just give you whatever. He was a cocaine.
Everything that he did.
Yeah.
Not only was he was a complete.
Oh, yeah, he's a piece of ****.
Yeah. And then one of the things, when they started building this up, they had the columbian exhibition called the design by some of the american's leading architects, including Frederick Law Homestead, and include exhibits from many more than 40 countries. So this was a big deal, guys. And the other thing is attracted more than 27 million visitors. Remember, this is the 18 hundreds. So, you know, today you go, oh, that's pretty good. That's a good number.
But that's basically the entire population of most of the United States, at least in the midwest for sure.
And back then, they were traveling by train and, like horse, you know, so, I mean, that's really impressive. Really, really impressive.
Yeah, the numbers are considered, you know, again, like you guys said, the limited transportation options of the time. Of course, homes took advantage of some of the many visitors to the city, including young women who came to the Chicago, you know, fair for jobs at the fairgrounds. So basically, that's just a quick setup. He was like a predator, right? And he was like a lion waiting for his prey, just, you know, lurking there waiting. So let's talk a little bit about the murder castle itself.
Historians believe Holmes was a masterful and charismatic con artist. And if you look at Holmes, yeah, he's kind of a good looking guy, right, guys? He's. He's, you know, for that time, he kind of fits.
You know, he's got the stash, he's got the toggle. He looks sharp. He was pimpish.
You like what you're talking about? He was a charismatic con artist. He had swindled money for drugstore employees. One of the things. He purchased an empty lot in the Inglewood neighborhood of Chicago and built a labyrinthian structure with shops on the first floor and a small apartments above. Again, there are blueprints out there, guys, if you want to look at them. I didn't get a chance to look at them yet because you have to go in and kind of request some things.
But there's things on the Internet gives you an idea. And this place is huge. Okay. And the edifice became known as Holmes murder Castle, or what they said in here, booby trap, which is just. I just see. Can you guys see Holmes just walking around kind of like a cartoon? Okay, I'm going to put this giant mouse trap here, and then I'm.
I think Indiana Jones. What's that kid?
Yeah, right? He's going to be like, you know, with the spikes and. And then now, a lot of this things, a lot of these reports are sensational because, again, it's documented, but not in the sense of, oh, like today, where we actually can have some real information. And that's usually true. Not all the time, as we both know. As we all know, I should say so. The space featured very soundproof rooms. I don't know how he did that. Secret passages and a disorienting maze of hallways and staircases.
And these rooms were allegedly outfitted with trap doors over chutes that dropped Holmes unsuspecting victims to the building's basement. So, Ryan, help me out here a little bit, because I think you've already read the book. One of the things they said that there was a bed and you'd be in bed, and then the mattress would, like, go on an angle, there'd be a laundry chute kind of thing, and you kind of shoot there. Do you remember?
I remember that. I remember a lot of the descriptions of his murder maze, so to speak. I don't anything about the bed. But then they said there was one room where they had, like, a pipe that led gas in, and he would look at them through, like, a two way mirror.
Yeah.
And he could watch them getting piped in with the gas. One room is kind of built like an oven where he could heat it up at his will. And who knows how accurate that was? I don't remember anything about the mattress, but, yeah, I remember reading whether it's true or not. It was sort of like the Winchester Castle in California, where there's records that she fired a crew. You know, they work for two weeks and she'd fire them, and then another crew would come on.
So nobody knows too much about it, I guess, is the way they describe that. Well, it was definitely described that way. He didn't want anybody knowing the layout of his castle. No, they all worked in a fire. Them never paid the contractors either.
So they would quit also and not come back.
Yes.
So he was swindled everybody. If there was anything to do with money, they weren't getting it. From him. If they did get it was somebody else's money.
If even a fraction of it is true, he was so. I mean, he's. He's definitely so shady, but I mean, if a fraction of those stories are true, he's. He's next level. But again, like you said, it's going back so far and it's passed through so many generations, and they always get exaggerated, so who knows? Yeah, definitely, dude. But is he historically creepy? I don't know.
The laws against him do exist. There are stat.
Sure. He was definitely a murderer. He was definitely a creepy dude.
There was a lot of those murder.
Castle lengths that, you know, historical.
I know there was lots, lots of lawsuits over, like, money and, you know, him owing people and not paying and lawsuits, tons. So many different names he was under, too. He had so.
Absolutely. So the bait again, guys, claim set there was part of a macabre facility of acid vats, pits of quicklime often used for decaying corpses, just in case you guys are thinking on doing that. And a crematorium, which all the killer used to finish off his victim. So he had this. All these descriptions, however they say, to describe what were likely over in embellished or even fabricated by reports in the 1890s.
And the book I'm reading, there's another book out there that I'll put out there called did serial killer hh Holmes do murder Castle? I'm going to get this to. And this book, though, just talks about, like, could it be possible? Could he could. If you didn't have the skills, how could you build this? But like you said, and this is true, he'd bring contractors in and tell them, build this, and they'd be like, okay, and they build something. They'd be like, could you do this?
Yeah, I could do that. And then, okay, you're done. Get out. And they'd be like, where's my money? He'd be like, you know, f off. You know, and that'd be it, right?
He definitely built a murder castle, in my opinion. Well, there's no doubt. And I think that was his intent. But how extreme it goes and doesn't match the historical stories, I don't know about, you know, to the levels it goes.
Right.
I do think that was his intent. To take advantage of the 1893 world's fair, that seems. Yeah, pretty. Pretty solid. That that was his intent.
If I remember correctly, after he left, he started to. He was trying to build a second one, I believe. I don't know if you've seen that in the story or not after. After he had the first one and he was forced to leave the. He was, I'm pretty sure was trying in the works to build the second castle. I can't remember.
Interesting.
I'm have to look that up, make sure I'm not just pulling that out of my ***.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not familiar with that one.
Yeah.
If you don't look longer, if you.
Look for hours and hours and you can't find that information, keep looking.
So here's one of the things. While reports suggest Holmes killed as many as 200 people in his sinister lair, his actual number of victims may have been much lower, which, come on, guys, 200 people. That's a lot. Without nobody noticing, the number of victims is still debated by historians, I think. Don't you think? 200, that's a lot.
Yeah, that's way.
That's way high, so. And like I said, I'm going to have to go back to this because I'm reading some books on it and. But just kind of skipping to the end here. Holmes was apprehended soon after he fled Chicago in October of 1893, following the conclusion of the world's fair. He was arrested in Boston and eventually murdering his assistant, Benjamin Peitzel, and two of the Peitzel's children. That's a whole different thing that he was living with this one woman and, you know, like, I don't know.
I don't know why. If the guy came in, he just looks like. What do you call, like out of those old movies, you know, where the guy with the mustache. Haha. You know, he's like that.
Super Mario.
Yeah. Looks like every cartoon villain.
Wait a minute, right? Interestingly, while on the run, Holmes misled boy Pizzio's wife is collecting an insurance money again. He was a. I think he was a hell of a con artist. It's unbelievable. From his former assistant living with the widow of the three children. In other words, he killed the husband and then was like, hey, I'm here, baby. Get married. And then, you know, of course he killed her eventually.
And the children and police eventually discovered the body of one of the murdered children and discovery led to Holmes arrest. And then following his arrest, Holmes claimed. And this is where it's like, yeah, okay, buddy, it's a little too much boasting, you know, more than 200 people in the Murder castle. He ultimately can, like I said, confessed to Murray Peitzel and two of his daughters. Uh, experts now believe he may have killed as few as nine. It's still a significant number.
Big number. Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
And he definitely killed those kids.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And there's no doubt about that. And, oh, hey, wait. Something fell out of my *** here. It's mentioned in a couple of books about HH Holmes that after leaving show in late 1893, he attempted to build another castle in Fort Worth. Oh. But found that authorities. The authorities there were a bit nosier than the ones in Chicago had and never finished it.
At one point. At one point, he got arrested for stealing a horse. And that was in between his. His murder castle and his bringing back, because getting. Getting arrested for horse thieving was a. Is. It was a hangable offense, I think. I don't remember.
Especially in Texas.
This was after the murder castle. Before he was brought back, he was arrested for horse thievery. And they, you know, basically, we're gonna hang you here. We'll send you back there. And he chose to be extradited, which back then probably took a month.
Right, right.
On horseback to get him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, yeah. And.
And then he was probably hoping over the month, I get a chance to escape. That's why he chose to be extradited or to talk somebody in to let you walk away.
And I love Holmes. I like to use the word bravado, you know, his kind of just outwards confidence and stuff. When he was in captivity, waiting his trial and sentencing, he authored his own autobiography, which is Holmes own story, in which he wrote, I could not help the fact that I was a murderer, no more than the poet can help the inspiration to sing. Isn't that great? Just the. What do you think you're doing?
You're right, though. He was. He was so insanely arrogant, it wasn't even funny.
Yeah, he's just unbelievable. He's just saying, hey, you know, look at. You know, look at me. I couldn't help it. What? You know, like, come on, man. And the most famous literary work on Holmes is the best selling nonfiction novel, the Devil in the White City by elk Larson, which was published in 2003. I don't have the book in front of me right now. And then I thought, if I show it, I probably have the author reach out and be like, hey, you owe me money. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to show it.
And then after a brief incarceration, Holmes was hanged in the greatest place in the world, to be hanged in Philadelphia in 1896. His body is buried. Why would you. Okay, this doesn't make sense. Guys, help me out with this. His body is buried in Holy Cross Cemetery outside Pennsylvania city. Why would you put him, like, wouldn't you just put him, like, throw him in a river or something? Or something like that.
He speaks. His family had connections. I don't know. I don't know why they were done that. Even back then, they knew that those were well within the days that people would have just dug up the body and desecrated it. So.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't. I don't know why they would have done that.
Right? I don't. So just really quickly, about the Ed Gein. We were talking offline by Ed gein a little bit about that. So I live about 2 hours away from Plainfield, Wisconsin, where this all happened with Ed Gein in his residence. The people used to have, while the cemetery used to have Ed Gein's headstone, and what people were doing was they were chipping off the headstone and then selling that on eBay. Right. So the police department moved his headstone into the city hall.
So now Ed Gein's tombstone, or headstone, whatever you want to call it, is in the basement of the Plainfield city hall, which is super hilarious. That why I'm saying this is because wouldn't people, come on, not go to Philadelphia and find his gray headstone or whatever and just chip off, you know, like they're doing there, and try to sell it? I just.
Oh, you would think so, right? They even know where is it? People know where it's at in there. It could be unmarked grave. I don't know.
Yeah, it could be unmarked, but you would think.
You would think exactly that would happen.
And. And one of the things, too, I thought what he said was, here they were. They were asking, you know, what happened to the murder castle? And even though his. He got arrested and executed and stuff, he, they still said for more than a he more times than not, before he get. He would try to, Holmes would try to bribe authorities to avoid punishment. So he would like, you know, for his hat, you'd be like, hey, hang that guy. I'll give you $50. Hang that guy. I'll give you $20. Hang that guy.
I'm like, the ball's on this guy. He's writing his own autobiography. He's bribing people to avoid punishment. Hang that guy.
I think it was air. It was arrogance. I think he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room. I always wished he was the smartest guy in the room. I remember reading well, before he even got to Chicago, he was at the University of Michigan. So this is on his way up. He wasn't even a pharmacist yet. Whatever the hell he became or claimed to become.
He was stealing bodies from cemeteries and then he was selling them for medical skeletons, you know, so him and his guy, him and his friends were stealing, you know, digging up graves. He's always been a scumbag. Always been, you know, was.
Yeah.
So. But he always wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. And then when he got caught, he would one up. You would be like, no, I'm not doing this.
I'm this guy. And you guys have probably heard this rumor, too, that there are theories that Holmes was never hanged, that they hanged another man in his place. There's another person in his grave. That's been a conspiracy theory, whatever. You guys would have called. But in response to that, I thought this was really funny. In Holmes descendants, which I love that. How would you like to be descended of Holmes? Yeah, hh Smith, one of the things. In Delaware his descendants supposedly live.
They petitioned to have his rooms exhumed so they could undergo DNA testing. The results. Drumroll. They did belong to Holmes. So sorry, guys, there goes your conspiracy theory. Out the window. And also the murder castle. What they do, just tear it down, right? You know, whatever. No. 1895, the murder castle was gutted by a fire. Reportedly they saw two men entering the building late one night, which is again frontier justice or whatever you want to call, and burned it to the ground.
And the funny thing is the building itself remained standing until 1938. And then they did tore it down. So, yes and no. It got gutted, like I said, by fire. But. But it was still there, which is super weird to me for like, let me see. They went in, I think in the late 18 hundreds or something, early 1900, but it said there for, I don't know, let's say 30 years.
It's a long time just sitting there.
Like a memorial to them. You had to drive by that? Yeah, gutted. They were building town around it. It's like right downtown.
Yeah, right.
To me that the descriptions of the house are so vague still to this day because so many people must have seen it from the inside or in the outside. There's only a handful of photographs from the outside. It's a couple of diagrams from the inside, but it's a big mystery. But it shouldn't be. No, you just said it basically stood, at least in a rough version, for 40 something years.
But this story wasn't. A lot of people saw it till later on, though.
If this big murder basement existed, a bunch of people saw it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And like I said, I'm going to revisit this because I skipped over a lot of stuff just for the sole fact of I'm not done with the book and I want to do its due diligence again and go through and everything. But like I said, the site is now occupied by the Inglewood of the us post office, which I think is absolutely, really hilarious. That's post office. It's just poetic. Right.
And one of the things to, when he was hung, he said something to the effect of like, I can't help that the devil's in me, basically, because his last. Because that's another thing where I'm like, how could they use another guy unless Holmes coached him, like, hey, guy that you're going to die for me, this is what you need to say. Something about the devil and it's in me and this guy. Why would. Right. That wouldn't make any sense.
He was way too arrogant to have ever coached another guy to be him. He would have had to have done it himself.
Yeah. It's. It's just so bizarre. And one of the things, like I said, is that they had to exhume the body. You know, he's done so many things, had such an effect. Society at that time, because that was the first time where it's actually because serial killer did not get the name of serial killer to, I believe, the 1950s or forties. It wasn't like he was. People didn't know it like that. Right. It was just. He was a murderer and that's what it was. But I, like I said, I'm going to revisit this.
Do you guys have any other tidbits you'd like to share about the great hh Holmes?
No, I think I've shared him. Other than that he was a New Englander. Don't mention that.
Yeah, leave that part. I'm real proud of that part.
He's from Michigan, New Hampshire. He was from Michigan.
He was a scumbag, man. The guy was a swindler. He ripped off so many people. I don't think that he. I mean. Yeah, with his castle. They don't know how many people actually died in the castle and how many people they actually ever killed. But it seemed like he killed. He just to run his scams. He just killed people just so he could keep going, you know, and it was just about getting their money and getting. I don't. I don't. Until you hear about what was in the. In the murder castle.
When I've heard his stories. I always thought of it his. He killed out of necessity to keep the schemes going. I didn't think that he was a serial killer like some of these other serial killers that got off on killing people and doing all the weird stuff because he would poison people, he would gas and stuff like that. He wasn't the type of serial killer that was like getting off on the actual murder.
I don't think he did what he had to do to cover his tracks or.
Yeah, he had no problems.
Personal gain to cover his own ***.
Yeah, he had no problem taking somebody else try to keep his.
But once, once he got pinched, he wanted credit for every murder that ever happened.
Right.
Kind of defines his personality. He didn't do them right once he caught him and he was gonna get hanged anyway. He wanted credit for all.
He was gonna be the big. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cuz I think in the back of his mind how psychotic he was, he was thinking he was gonna get away with this. Yes. And then be like, go on. Like, you know, where in the 18 hundreds where like, you know, like a buffalo bill show where they have this famous western cowboy or, or sheriff whoever, and they would go out there like Wyatt Earp and you'd tell his stories and you'd be like, oh my God. And they'd do a little horse show or whatever hell they do.
That's what I think hh Holmes was gonna do, you know, smartest guy in.
The room for sure.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Bring him out on tour and he'd just share his story. No, I agree with that 100%. I think that's, I think that's exactly who he was and what he was.
Yeah, that's better than everybody. Yeah, that's crazy, right? So guys, thank you so much for, you know, listening to this and bringing in some information and stuff. Like I said, I'm going to revisit it because there's so much to this guy. It's unbelievable the things he got away with. And I didn't get into his family life about his parents and everything. I didn't get into that. Which they must have been a hoot and a half, to use an old term. It must have been lots of fun.
Barrel laughs.
Yeah, just a barrel of laughs. So guys, tell my spooky friends. What do you guys cut coming up here? What fun episodes you planning or looking at?
We've got something pretty big for us coming up. Ooh, we are actually, we've done another episode that we called our paranormal field trip. And we went out and we did an investigation in Riceville, which is an old ghost town in the state of Maine. Well, it's time for our second one and tell them where we're going, Ryan.
So we're gonna go to the house from the conjuring. The real conjuring house, not the one from the movie. The real conjuring. Yeah.
So we are going on June 18, and we're taking along Kevin, who was on your last show with where the weird ones on are not your last one, but a few episodes back. He's coming with us. And Joe from Tales trails and Tavern is also. So all three of us will be there. We're going to go live. Ryan's going to go live from the basement.
Live stream. That night. I called the basement. Anybody who's seen that movie, the basement is creepy as ****.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm an idiot. I covered that in my story earlier. I'm claiming the basement. So just slam streaming from the basement. Yes. Hire a smoke machine. You'll get.
We have this time, and we. We're gonna go live, but we'll also. We're gonna record a podcast, and we'll put that out also.
Love it.
That's coming. That's the big thing we got coming up right now. We're gonna plan on going a couple times each year. We're gonna go.
We're gonna do two a year. So we're gonna work on one in the fall, but that's the one for the spring. And we're excited about that. It's gonna be hard to top that one. That's a big one.
Yeah. We have to thank for that. He set that all up.
So Joe and Kevin and Grey guy. So we're all good. It's going to be like a triple, triple header for three podcasts. We're pumped about that.
It should be a good time.
So follow us on Instagram because that's where we're going to go live that night.
Yeah.
Nice. Love it, guys. We'll definitely check that out, and I'll definitely share it with my spooky friends. Again, thank you so much for taking time out. I could talk to you guys for hours. This was a blast. Check your closets. Make sure there's nothing in there tonight.
No bags.
I just brought that up with the trash this week.
When you go to the conjuring house, I want to check that, too. I'm just saying, guys. Yeah. You know, so, guys, thank you so much. We end every show like this. We say hi to our ghost. Hello, ghost. Because you never know, you might have a. You might have a ghost. You wouldn't be nice. And then we say, stay spooky.
Stay spooky.
Stay spooky.
Guys, thanks for joining Scott Ryan. You guys are the greatest. Thank you. Later.
Thanks for having us.