I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of friends review Korean dramas. Except we are back for another spooky season, Episode A, and I am joined by Jessie and Natalia from the Certified Nunes podcast. How are you guys? Pretty good, pretty good, you know. It's our favorite. Season. It's my well, it's not my favorite season, but I am an advocate, a huge advocate for spooky season. Especially when I realized that not all of the K drama girlies are into spooky season.
No, no they're not. Many are not. Many do not see the joy. No spooky season like we do. I was like, y'all don't smell the pumpkin spice and the blood in the air. Like it's amazing. And everyone was like, I'll I want my romantic drama. And I was like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, you can get romance anytime but. Yeah, OK, let us have this. Listen, at least put a little bit of murder in it. Goes. To zombies, we're all. Exactly, exactly.
So I was telling you guys before we got on that I am a huge fan of certified Nunes. I've been listening for a long time. It's been a long time coming. I've wanted you guys to come on Tipach and I was like, let's pop this cherry right now. Like let's let's have you guys come on for a scoopy season for the perfect time, for the perfect time for the perfect time.
And I had you guys come on for Bong Joon Ho's the host, which is maybe an unusual poll because I feel like maybe other Bong Joon Ho movies get a lot of attention nowadays. But I wanted to harken back to a true monster movie for the season. So before we get into it, maybe it's just share what you guys are currently watching. I know you guys are watching a lot. I just, I just listened to you're currently watching episode, but maybe just a condensed version of what you're
currently watching. Maybe something you want to recommend to listeners? To watch. Well, Jesse knows this because she heard I discussed it slightly. I recently started the memorist, did not know what genre the memorist was. I just so funny because I was like, yeah, OK, it's been on my list for a while. Enjoying the real thriller situation happening. Big fan of that.
But if for all those the, you know, the non spooky season girlies, I'm also watching monster next door and it is the most saccharine, sweet, lovely show that I've ever seen in my life. It's a Gaga La La for all of you. You know it's gay cause wasn't if you, anyone who's hearing me for the first time, if you come over to the noodles at some point, you'll know I'm I, I know a lot about a certain sub genre of fiction that I've been in the Yowie life for a while. So it's really good.
It's a cute show. Cute show. Nice. Well, I have been in the holiday season and watching a lot of horror. That's all I've been doing. I'm actually doing this challenge where I'm trying to watch 100 horror movies that finishes out at the end of the month that I started back in the beginning of August. I'm very close to finishing though. I'm like on 85 I think right now so. What's your pace like? Well, at work I got a little like a time where I was doing
like one specific project. So I was able to watch a couple of movies, but like I can do a couple of movies every night, especially with like horror, it's always like usually horror is always like an hour and a half long. So it's like essentially like 2K drama episodes, which is easy for most people. So it's really nothing, you know, and I watch like all types of horror. So it's kind of like easy just to be like, OK, to be tell me what you want me to watch and I'll watch it.
So that's. What I put up the old boot up the old shutter app and be. Like right And just like this seems good. Yeah, that's a lot of movies. I I feel like I watch a lot of movies. But when you said, you said a few episodes back it was uncertified Nunes that you were doing this challenge and I was like, did I hear that right? Because I shit ton of movies. I know it's like. Crazy. I've watched 190 movies in the entire year. Yeah, that's it. That's not bad. Yeah. So when you said?
Since August you were gunning for 100 and. 4. Movies. I was like, the fuck she's saying. It like it does. It does help that both Jesse and I can like watch stuff at work. Yeah, sometimes, yeah. Facing at work and stuff so like. That's it was doing something where it was like literally, I'm just like making the same thing over and over and I was like, OK, I can like sit here and watch every fan. Footage on TV.
Yeah, so it was a little bit easy, especially now cuz like now my evenings are like packed with things and I'm like oh OK, I've got to slow down on this challenge but. But hey, you've made such a good. Look yeah like I can be leisurely in October for this like last 15 ish movie so. It works out good. That's enough. You're. Gonna breathe. That's like a week of work. It's nothing. You're watching 2 movies a day. You're gonna hit it in no time. You're.
Five. You're 5. Well, I am so glad that you guys are here. I'm just stoked really. But anyway, before we get into it, before we get into the host, if this is your first time listening, thank you so much. Go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app, run Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcasts and many more. And if you like us, please give us a five star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Come check us out on social media to stay up to date in our
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A monster emerges from Soul's Han River and begins attacking people. One victim's loving family does what it can to rescue her from its clutches. And that's it. That's all you need to know if that's those that you know. What that pretty much like sums up, literally it does sums up basically what you need to know if you're deciding if you're going to start the movie because it's like that's what it will deliver. You there's a monster in the Han River.
It's like someone stopping someone on the street when an emergency happens. Like, hey, what's going on? There's a monster coming out of the Han River. That's literally what the sign. Literally. It's, it's brief, it's succinct, it gives you, it's like the first. 5 minutes, yeah. This movie was released July 27th, 2006. Yes, you heard that right, mid 2000s. It premiered at CON that year as well. It's two hours long. It is directed by Pong Joon Ho, as I said at the top.
So what hasn't he direct? This was actually his third feature film ever. He's directed Memories of Murder, obviously, the host mother from 2009, Snowpiercer, Okcha, and Parasite. He's got one more coming out I think this year in time for Oscar season with Oh. It's the one when Robert. Pattinson, I think, is in it. Mickey. 17. Yeah, it looks good. It looks good, actually. It looks unhinged. I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm. Pumped. They actually pushed the release
date on that. It was supposed to be I think earlier in the year. And then they scrapped the release date altogether and I was like, this shit better come out this year. I was like they. Better. Like, yeah, I'll sit down for anything that like bong and hoe, thanks. But anything that has Robert. Pat no, our Pats is. Hinge little weirdo. Yes. Please, I actually used to live in the town where he filmed the
lighthouse. No, you. Didn't I Did. I lived in Halifax, which is where it was filmed, and this is just a fun little aside that has nothing to do with this. But one day I was walking home from the grocery store and I saw I saw a gentleman. And then I texted my husband. I was like, man, I just saw a homeless man that looked exactly like Willem Dafoe. No, like he looked exactly like Willem Dafoe. And my husband was like, honey, I would that was Willem Dafoe. I was like, oh shit, you're like.
How about I fall out of this chair right now because you saw Willem Dafoe just casually walking? Around I was just walking home from like the fancy. I have a bunch of allergies, the fancy grocery store and I was like, damn, like that's homeless because like he was in like the full grizzled, like he was in the lighthouse. Like a he looked like a lighthouse keeper from the, yeah, turn of the century, you know? Oh my God. Rough. You know, I was just like, man, like so weird.
Like, oh, what a doppelganger. He, he he like just going about my business like I. Literally have. I mean, this is such a tangent, but I say the most stupidest line from the lighthouse and it's people want to say because it says so much about me go. But it's this is a safe. Space. Oh, OK. Thank you. So first of all, The Lighthouse is a movie by Robert Eggerts. It's completely in black and white. I think the aspect ratio is like 3-2, like basically a square. Yeah, yeah.
And so if that gives any context and it's a psychological thriller, basically I say and you're farts because of the lie in that movie of them arguing back and forth like an old married. Couple it's a good movie. It's not like it's completely unrelated to home discussion today. Completely unrelated to watch it everywhere. I think it's a good movie. It is. The Lighthouse is a it's a good movie. It's very open to interpretation. I thought it was weird and cool,
but a lot of people might not. I appreciate it. You know what? Just. Nothing. Just give it a chance. Yes, yeah. I mean, yeah. But this is an opportunity to maybe watch something outside of your genre. Yeah. Learn to love it. It's a. Beautiful feature. The host. The host, you wouldn't think they would go together. But we just made it. But we just. Did you know what? I think they could, yeah. I love it. Anyways, the host back on the host. You guys are I'm assuming have
seen some bung Chun ho movies. Did you watch the Oscar? The 2019 Oscars win Bung Chun Ho God. Parasite. Yeah, of course we've. Seen no the Oscars when he won and he was telling people to watch subtitles and watch Sanders horizons. I was like, I was almost in tears. Yeah. So yeah. Bong Chun Ho is a household name in Korea, and he's done some amazing movies. Some of them, like Oak Chao, you can watch right now on Netflix. It's really easy to find Snowpiercers almost entirely in English.
It has. Chris Evans stars in it. Snowpiercers is such a good movie. Like yes, it's you do not see anything coming that happens in the the movie Snow Piercer. No, I haven't seen the TV show they made about it but. Yeah, there was a spin off TV show which I haven't watched either but I hear it's. So the movie is incredible. The movie though, 10 out of 10 there's so I think he doesn't have like he just doesn't miss.
So anyway, he directed the host. He also wrote it alongside Ha Wenjin and Peck Chill Hyun and here's our cast. So we've got some Congo. I mean, you throw a rock, you're gonna hit some Congo in what? You know, if you turn on a large portion of Bung and Hoes movies, you will see that's true. Kango in it. They're kind of they love to work. Together, they love to work together. They are frequent collaborators and it's almost like a Leo Scorsese type of deal.
They go hand in hand. You've also got Pyonghi Bong playing the father or the, you know, grandfather, depending on how you look at it. In the movie, you have Pacquia playing PAC Namil what? The brother of Song Congo's character. You have Beduna. Yes, that Beduna we. Love, love. We're big. We're like a little obsessed with it. Oh my. Gosh, just like. Tiny lot just.
A little. Bit OK, I'm gonna join the fan club that you guys have already started because I feel like it's only fan club sometimes for Beduna. She's so cool. She's like the coolest human alive. So cool. I know, I know. Yeah, we covered Stranger Season 1 earlier in this year and I was fangirling again when we were talking about her filmography and she's so good in that show. So Beit Dune is in this, and then we have Kolosong playing Pakyong. So she is the child in the movie. I know.
She's so little. She's so really old. Like this is this is like the the question I always ask every time I'm like, but I've seen her as an adult in things. Oh. No. Oh, no, no. No, wait. Yeah. And then we have Scott Wilson as Douglas and Paul Lazar as an American, unnamed American doctor. These two are actually very good actor, like Paul Lazar was in Silence of the Lambs, for instance. And then Scott Wilson, I know him from The Walking Dead. He's Herschel, and he's been in
other things too. He's just a great actor. That's what I know him from. Too. Oh, great. Oh, OK, good. I don't, I don't really watch that many like Western things. It's like outside of like HBO. So I'm just like, yeah. It's Herschel. Hey. You're white guy in Herschel. Yeah. So that is pretty much our cast and that we've come to the end of that. So what did you guys think of the host? I don't believe this is your first time watching it, but just give me your general thoughts on
how you feel about this 06 gem. First off, straight off, I own it on DVD, so I think that says. Every. You know, it's pretty high. It is. It is such a good, solid monster movie. It also has one of the most accurate depictions of just a random American in a crisis that I've ever seen. From the scene where the monster first emerges. I was like, that, that's accurate. The one the one American dude, I was like. Yes. It's just a good movie, like it's just a solid fun movie to watch.
Like it's not, it's not too gory and it's not really that scary. So I think like a lot of people who pop like who might, you know, be a little bit less into the spooky things, I don't think they'd have too much of A. Problem. That's true. This is like really approachable for most people I think. I absolutely love it. It's one of my favorite Korean movies. I also am a very big creature feature person, so like it's right up my alley, like a love monster.
So it's just always had a special place in my heart and it can just like watch it over and over, like and I have over and over so. And I'll do it again. And I'll do it again. Next year, Yeah. This is maybe my second or third time watching the movie and I forgot how funny it was. Yeah. It's like sort of like a lot of comedy. Like dry humor, like it's not like a like over the top, like it's not like the sitcom. Bumbling idiots. Yeah. Like, it's just like these the
people in this, it's happening. Yeah, they have. No, like there's no reason why they should be doing any of this. They are the most I'll equipped people to be. So. But aren't we all like, aren't we all those people? Like that's how we would all be doing. We're like, oh, there's a creature. Oh, he's coming after us right now. What do I do? The focus on I've been throwing deer cans at it. Is like the person with special skills like you got Liam Neeson over here just fighting zombies
or what have you. And it's like I am just a regular person who can't remember how many shotgun shells I shot. Like you know what I'm saying? I didn't even make it to the shotgun. I'm I'm like tripping, like there's no running for me. Like I'm just like tripping. I don't do cardio like. Exactly. I'm like, I don't work out OK. Like, no, really what I would have been doing as soon as like things were going on in the the water. I'm from Florida. I'm like peace out, you know?
Bye bye. Let it part. Of it, I don't need it. I'm just gonna go back to my car. Wildlife and Fisheries. Man, like yeah. This doesn't seem like my problem at the moment. I pay taxes on the. Thank you. Prayers. I'm out. Goodbye. Yeah. I thought this movie was hysterical and also really fun and heartfelt because this family has, they're stupid. Like, this is a literally, yeah, a stupid family with no marketable skills.
Their skills are really random. If they have a skill, they're on the bottom rung of society and they're like in over their heads trying to. It's it's basically like a kidnapping movie. Kind of. Yeah. And so how are they gonna when, when a monster kidnaps somebody in your family, like, how are you gonna deal with it when nobody and then nobody? Believes them. Regular people, yeah. And. They're they're just idiots. They're all buffoons. Especially Sonkongwell's
character. Like Sonkongwell. Plays one of the best buffoons. It's like at one point and you're just like, is this man brain damned? That's the dad literally says that in the movie. He's like, I think. It's just like he just like, but it's like. Then the dad goes through this long story about why he's pitiful, but it never actually gets to the point like that explains anything. It's just like. But with that you're like that
explains everything. Like. He's. OK, just really dumb and inept. OK, like. But he has heart, you know? Like, listen, he's not a bad guy. It's he's just. It's fun because it's like a dysfunctional family, but they're not like dysfunctional and like that they hate each other. Like it's just that they're all like on their own paths of weirdness and levels of intellect and then they just
like all love each other. And so that's like really like part of this like whole movie is that the the family being so go together because they truly love each other as a family. 100 percent, 100% so I definitely recommend this movie just because it is a black comedy, you're gonna get a lot of laughs out of it. You're gonna fall in love with this stupid ass family trying to save the girl and this monster. It's 2006, OK, like the CGI on it maybe at one point was a
really, really good but. Even by today's like. It's fine by today's standards. Like, it's not. You're not going to be like, like, you're just like, OK, yeah, it was 2006. It's 2006. They were doing, they were doing their best, you know? But I have to say, I've never seen a monster that looks like this. Yeah, no, very. Interesting like. Unique like sort of deep sea creature. It's like deep sea Audrey 2
vibes. Too late. Yeah, I. Feel like like deep sea mixed with alien mixed with octopus tentacle beef. It's got tentacles, it's got teeth, it's got it's got every. It's got everyone. And it's amphibious. And yet it's got everything. It kind of. Looks like an evil tadpole half become a frog. Yes, yeah. Like that's kind of the vibe of this shape, like sort of spermatazoid shape with. Legs, you know, and appendages and. Yeah. It's just.
You know, sort of like a Predator face opening situation like 100. Percent the predator face. Oh my God, you nailed. It they were doing things in the creature design you know someone was having. Fun they were, definitely. Having a lot of fun, you know. But the movie, like any other Bong Turn home movie, does comment on certain things. The story that it's based on, which we'll get to in the fun fact section, is real.
Like the inciting incident at the beginning of the movie is real and it features like footage of the Iraqi war and it has a really bold stance against like the American military, which I I don't think it's that bold in this day and age, but in the mid 2000. In a bold the reasonable stance to. Be honest, in the mid 2000s, I can see why it was maybe bold, why people were like, oh wow, so he's saying something about it. And I like all of that. I think it stands the test of time.
And the Korean sensibility is funny too. And that stands up against a sense of time, too. Like there's an interview at one point, and this isn't a spoiler. They're interviewing this nurse on the news and there's she's saying, oh, I'm going to sue them for, for damages or whatever because he knocked me down when they were trying to escape and all this stuff. And I got hurt. And they're like, he's like, I didn't even push her down that hard. Like they're like, and they
don't show the nurse's face. They just show her from like the waist down. Yeah. And they've got her voice like through the voice changer as well. So it's like, why? Why hide so much of her identity? It's a joke. It's like a social joke. Because they do it how litigious people get. Yeah, and like everything going on, that's what you're worried. About it. Literally. Literally. People are dying.
Bitching about like I got I need to sue them for damages anyway, so things like that really work in the movie. So is there anything else general that you would like to say about the Host before we move into fun facts? Because there's quite a few fun. Facts about this? There's many of fun facts, Yeah. No, I think we can just go right to the fun. Facts. All right, awesome. Let's get. Fun it is, it is all right the. Estimated budget of the host was 12 billion one, which is about $9 million.
That's nothing. That's very, very small budget that's. Not with this cast. The amount of cast that you have. Yeah, yeah, like 2. Listen, they were budgeting wisely. Yes, this one. They made that money work. The fact that there were so many CGI shots of the creature full on in the daylight and stuff like. That interacting with humans too, like it's a pretty intense. Stunt work as well, yeah. You know, people being thrown around and stuff. Yeah, incredible. So $9 million.
It grossed $89.4 million worldwide. There you go. People. People really liked this one. Yeah, he hit it out of the. Park with this. One, are you kidding? It made $80 million. That's great. Like yeah, which is the little creature feature. That is good. It is currently #7 the highest grossing film in Korea. For reference, there are other Bong Joon Ho movies on the highest grossing list. Parasite is number 24, so Piercer 27.
Memories of Murder number 83. It used to be the number one movie, highest grossing in Korea for many years. Caveat, they only started recording these numbers in 2004. So it's only for the last 20 years, you know, not for the whole history of Korean cinema. So I don't know why they wouldn't do that, record that, but whatever.
The Co writer and director of Pong Junho and the designer of the creature nicknamed it Steve Buscemi because they based it the design of it on the actors screen persona and the way he acted in Fargo from 1996. Sure, sure. That's why forgot it here. That's why, that's why absolutely, I believe that that is a true statement that they definitely stand behind. Oh. My God the Steve Buscemi thing like knocked me over. I love Steve Buscemi, he's a good guy, but.
Like maybe the eyeball thing, like cuz it's kind of got like bulging eyes and stuff. I was like, whoa, he can't. Listen, he's made a good career out of being a weird looking little dude. Yeah. And you gotta, you gotta, you know, give him props for that. Props, man, Don't hurt Steve, All right.
The The event described in the beginning of the film is based on an actual event in February 2000 at AUS military facility located in the center of Seoul. AUS military civilian employee named Mr. McFarland was ordered to dispose of formaldehyde by dumping it into the sewer system that led to the Han River, despite the objection of a South Korean subordinate.
The government attempted to prosecute Mr. McFarland in court, but the US military refused to hand over custody of Mr. McFarland. Shocker Shocker. Later, a South Korean judge convicted Mr. McFarland in absentia. The public was enraged. Sort of a empty. Jail. Yeah, that. Point. I know he ain't here, but he's guilty. The public was enraged at the government's inability to enforce its law on its own soil in O5.
Nearly five years after the original incident, Mr. McFarlane was finally found guilty in a court in his presence. However, he never served the prison sentence. And of course not. And there have been no sightings of a mutant creature in the Han River. Yet no, wasn't. I'm sure there are somewhere. Maybe it's slow growing. It's it's slow, it's time. I thought this was hysterical. There was a statue of the mutated creature from the movie erected in Seoul in around
20/13/2014. It was positioned in a river park situated between Maple Bridge and One Hill Bridge as in the movie. News hit just this year that the city of Seoul is going to remove it. The sculpture has faced increasing criticism over time for its perceived lack of aesthetics value, and people pointed out that it was a waste of money. People don't get it. They already spent the money. I'm like, of course they've already spent the money. Yeah. It's like they've already wasted
air quotes. The money, the money it's got. Let it live. Just let it listen. The world needs weird little dudes. Yeah, OK. And like. I saw a picture of it and I was like, it's literally the creature is literally there. You can take a photo with it. It's for the tourists. That's fun. It's for the children. Places it's. For the children, it's for the children. Leave it. The crew of the film used metal barrels to make the splash effects whenever the monster
would dive into the water. And I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Bong Joon Ho felt that in many monster movies, it's always the scientists or the muscle bound hero who saves the day. He wanted the heroes of his film to be everyday people, namely a dysfunctional family. He took the same approach with his previous film Memories of Murder, in which the police investigating the serial killer
case were stupid. Critic and longtime friend of the director Tony Raines mentions this is common in Pong Chun Ho's films, the idea of a lower to middle class character who is on a downward track. The director mentions with these characters he can bring out the humanity in them, whereas the typical superheroes types don't bring out much real drama. I agree. I agree. There's like, I feel like you can really connect more with just an average idiot because I think most of us are just
average idiots. So like. Yeah. They just do more things that you would do too. You're like, Oh yeah, like yeah, you have to use your surroundings more instead of just being strength, like strong and stuff so. Yeah, Why is Scott Wilson in this movie? That's because Pong. Joon Ho was impressed with his performance after having seen him in the movie Monster from
2003, among other things. So he approached him by sending him a copy of the script and a DVD of his previous film, Memories of Murder, which is an excellent film if you haven't seen it it. Is. Really good. The actor later agreed to be in the film. He's like, he's like auditioning. He's like, hey, he's like. Please, it's like a little love letter. He's. Like, hey, I would do the same thing. Yeah. Hi. It's me.
It's a little old. Function, The design of the pod used to deploy Agent Yellow was specifically designed to resemble the look of the creature when it is first seen hanging upside down under the one heel bridge. And once I read that, I was like, Oh yeah, I'm an idiot. It totally does look just like that. Yeah, there were five companies involved to execute and animate the creature, but the designs of the creature were done by Widow Workshop. Oh hell yeah, Widow.
Workshop they they were doing it back then like. I was so excited when I read that Widow Workshop, for those who don't know, did everything for Lord of the Rings. And that was how that company got its start, by doing everything for Lord of the Rings. I'm very happy to say we're a workshop. And it's because I've watched all of the extended editions and the the special features on that. Yes, they say we're a workshop. I don't know, 50 million times.
They're just getting a little advertising for their little, you know, New Zealand or little Kiwi situation. They're so. Excited about everything during that so. Like it's very rare that like a Jessie knows this. It's very rare that props people get to like be front and center. So they're just like, look at this cool. Stuff we've made like exactly.
Moving on to Tony Raines again, he mentions the tradition of withholding the monster in typical monster movies and the fact that Bone completely breaks the tradition. Bong Joon Ho mentions how much he hates this tradition and jumped at the chance to show his creature fully and early. This also got the aspect of the film out of the way so the audience could focus on the impact the creature has on the family. I love that this film movie just does that. It's like, here's the first
10-15 minutes of the movie. Here's a creature. Yeah, no suspense. Yeah, it's time for the mayhem, my friend. Yes. See exactly what the creature looks like. You don't have to like sit here and like guess or just like look in the shadows. No there full sunlight running around tossing people, eating people. It's foul. It's great. Perfect. Yeah, it's great. Bong Joon Ho also decided to incorporate footage from the Iraq war in the film's news footage for two reasons.
First, it allowed the story to progress, but it also gave Bong Joon Ho the ability to include political satire. Bong Chin Ho. Political satire, I say. This and so I'm. Sheared I'm personally. She's like the first I've ever. Seen it? Not that jacked, but the. Blonde hair with black roots showing through on some Congo was a deliberate choice to make the character appear lazy and not very bright. Nailed it. I mean, listen.
It worked. My extremely oh, get up, come on. No, come on man, some of us just have a lot going on. That fun fact? Wasn't calling you out. Time, money and eating are two important motifs Pong Chunho points out in the film. Which is very true. The monster eats. The people eats, everybody eats. And then there's a lot of like money issues. The family had has money issues. You get to pay for things. They get hustled like at one
point in the movie. Because of its themes, which can be seen as critical of the United States, the film was lauded by North Korean authorities, a rarity for a South Korean blockbuster film that's. Like a real like enemy of my enemy situation happening right here. It's like, oh, oh, yeah, we hate them too. Yeah, yeah. All right. Oh, God, that really, that tickled me. And they were like North Korea really liked it because of the undercurrent of criticism.
All right, so now that we've gone through all the facts, which were very, very fun, we're going to get into a rating this movie out of five soldier bottles. So I don't know who wants to go first, but what would you rate this movie out of five soldier bottles? Well, on MTLI have it rated 9 out of 10. So if that's out of five, that's a four and a half five if my math is to be believed. I looked on my letterbox and I have this at 4 1/2 out of five as well. 4 1/2 out of five.
I will give it four out of five just cause the CGI maybe is a little dated. You know, I get that. But it's very fun. It's very, it moves. Like even though it's two hours long, it totally moves. It's not boring. It's really funny and it says a lot. It's definitely satirical. And this family is just great to watch and it's a great cast and smart script and everything's great. No really bad things to say about it.
I'm really choosy with my ratings for movies, especially if if I look in my letterbox, I really give something five stars. I don't know why. My rating system enrages some people because I don't rate movies based on how, like, quality they are. I rate them based on how much I enjoyed them. Yeah, So I enjoyed it. A nine out of 10. Yeah, which is a four and a half out of five. And that's so, you know, people are always like, but that's a terrible thing. And you rated it so highly.
I'm like cuz. I enjoyed it, yeah, my rating. So it's my my feeling. It's like your opinion, man, Yeah. I will give whole stars for a needle drop in the movie. I'll be like, that was an amazing needle drop. I can't believe they got that. Like a terrible movie for me, but if I enjoyed it and had fun with it, it's gonna get lots of stars for me. I'll be like, yeah. Whatever the script. Quite terrible things are fun. OK. And if you enjoyed that? The movie has.
Yeah. Yep, Yep. I also think that, like, ratings should be personal so that like if I were like, oh, I really like Natalia's, like picks for things a lot. So I can go to her and look at what she writes high and then be like, OK, probably like what she rated high versus what, like just the general population is rating high. It's not going to be the same effect for me if, especially when I'm, like, out looking for
options to watch myself. Yeah. Have a trusted person that you know shares your you know the same things you like and people can you can like bad things people, it's OK. You don't have to pretend you don't. You can just like it. It's fine like. That is literally don't worry there's always everyone rates differently and it's always the struggle between like I personally love it but I know
it's trash So what do I rate it? Here's The thing is that you know the one person's trash is another person's treasure. Like it may be trash to some people but to you it was a treasure and that means to someone else it will be as well. So leave your truth with your ratings. I love creature features and I will watch the worst ones imaginable and still be like this was the best movie ever. But this is an. Exact $0.50 on the entire it's. Not a bad creature feature movie.
But this however, is great. Yeah. And Jesse knows that side of my reading. Most of my likes are some of the most questionable like things you've ever seen. That I'm just like, listen. To tell you also watches everything, yeah. I watch every so I have. I have no litmus for like Eddie. I like everything. I'm easy. To please, as they say. But this was an easy a movie that I think many people would find pleasing, so that's fine.
Agreed. I think like the reception to it like speaks volumes about that too. So. It's very well received critically and obviously in the box office, the audiences loved it as well and still continue to love it. All right, so those are our ratings. It was 4, four and a half and five. Do I? Have that right Four and a half, 4 1/2 and 4. 4/4 and 1/2 and. Four. Yeah. 4 1/2 Two. Four and a halfs. 24 and a halfs 1 four, yeah. Did it There you go.
Did it round that out all right. Numbers are hard. The numbers are so hard I. Did numbers all, especially now. OK, so we are going to spoil the host right after this. The greatest trick Houston, We have a problem. I am the father. I see dead people. The devil ever pulled. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Was convincing the world. You can't handle the truth. He didn't exist.
No, What's in the box? All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, so we are going to spoil the host. As we said, there's a monster, it terrorizes this hole, it comes out of the Han River, and this poor family gets their kid kidnapped. I mean, we kind of spoiled it already, but. Like. But like that's really happens very in the beginning. I do talk about this over the Nunas a lot, is that there is plot driven media and there's also character driven media.
And this is really a character driven media. So the plot is very basic and doesn't actually, yeah, it doesn't. It's not that complex. Like it's a simple plot, but what's important is like what the characters do within this very bare bones of a plot. Yeah, absolutely. But also, there's like a secondary monster in within, like the scientists and the government that you don't really immediately see. You see the monster, the creature before all the other
stuff happens too. So there is, you know, some developments throughout the entire movie. You get some surprises. Yeah, I do enjoy, you know, post COVID post. Oh yeah, you know, I do enjoy the, you know, here I was actually talking about this with my husband today where when you watch movies like this before COVID, when like they would bring up like a pandemic like, you know, cuz there's like a mysterious virus apparently that they've invented. OK.
And you like people, you know, people wouldn't really act like this. But no, we all know they do and will. And so I was just like, yeah. Yeah, this is exactly how it would play out. 100. Percent. How this would happen, yeah. And so he was a bit ahead of his time for that. Absolutely. Where it's just like and I think that really shows he has a real good sense of like humanity and like human nature with all with like a lot of his with pretty
much every one of his movies. Yeah, it's like one thing you can say about, you know, bunch and hoe films is that he knows how humans are. And it's like and I feel like a lot of movies really present like an idealized version of humanity, Like, oh, humanity will always like work for the for everyone will eventually do the right thing. And it's like, no. No. And it's not even like, you know, a sinister villain. It's just like, normal people are just stupid. Yeah. And.
Like various degrees too. Like there are some people who are just like just don't want to do it just to self preserve themselves. But like then there's also like actual terrible people, but then there's also people who are just like, I'm just trying. I just, I'm not good at it too. I'm. Just, you know, just enable. I really enjoyed how he's sort of very succinctly, without saying too much would craft like the like the family. He would give you enough without explicitly saying it to make
sense of their actions. So like, for example, like the the brother character, he'd like when they're on the run, he goes and he meets his friend and there's all these references like, well, you went to college, though you then find out he didn't spend that much time in the classroom because he and his buddies were all part of like the student protests that were, you know, quite violent in like the 90s in Korea. And so then later when they're in a cab and he's making like,
Molotov coffee. Oh my God, yes. So you bought and like the taxi drivers like damn, like you are like really efficient and good at that. He's like just keep driving, just keep driving. Don't worry about it. Like and so and that shows a lot about his character and like the way that he can quickly like light all other Molotovs And then, you know, of course, because he is who he is, biffs it at the last moment. Absolutely, because that's him as a person, right? Yes. And yeah.
And it's these, they're just like these little things that he always adds just that are small little takeaways, right? That really sort of like, they're not quite Chekhov guns. Like, they're not, you know, it's not that much of like, no, but they are. They're character building and you. Yeah, they're talking. If we stay on the brother, they're talking about him going to college. And they're like, you know, it's kind of a sense of they have so much pride around that.
He went to college. He's the only one in the family that. Yeah, he's still an unemployed, but he's still unemployed. So like, even though he has like this one up in the family, this is obviously Korea values education highly. He went to college, but he's unemployed. He's still a bum at the end of the day. They're gonna show that like other side. It's like they are talking about this like kind of outward persona of like everybody.
But, like, that doesn't mean that they're actually, like, good at anything. Yeah. Or like, above anyone else. Yeah. I also really like how the family ties together in that way too, because, like, Bei Dumo's character, she is constantly failing at our archery, too. Like, so like, you get like, more of a sense of like, yes, this is where this family is.
But like once they start to actually come together and really focus on each other and focus on like A1 specific thing and that's so important for them, you start to see them also develop their skills more. And that's kind of like a really nice evolution within this movie. Yeah, I like that too. Yeah. Cuz you get the sense that individually they're sort of on the cusp of graziness. Except, I mean, except for some Congo's character, like, that's just beyond like, yeah,
anything. They're like all like different levels. But you know what? I will like give him. I got to give him a little bit of credit because despite the fact he's stupid, he's incredibly stupid, but he's so stupid that he doesn't know how not to actually do brave things. He's earnest. He doesn't consciously you can very see he's not consciously realizing that's what he's doing.
But like in, you know, in the scene where like the monster first appears, he's genuinely trying to help people like he he's the only one who like goes with the gung ho American soldier to like try to fight back against the monster. Like he, you know he. True. Ineptly attempts to save his daughter. Like he, he fucks it up because that's like this whole arc. But like, he tries, yeah. And so he, I feel like a lot of times they, they made him stupid, but they sometimes make
stupid people unlikable. No, he's lovable. True. Yeah, but he's just like you feel such compassion for this guy because you're like, I'm pretty sure you're brain damaged like cuz that's, but you're actually kind like like he's been trying to save up money to buy his daughter a new phone, but all he saved is like $0.10 and pence. He's got like. And his daughter's like, thanks for that, but you're never going to be able to buy a new phone. It's just like a. Ramen cup. Yeah, full of coin.
And she's like, there's not even any orders in here. Broly. Yeah. Buy me a new phone. It's gonna do nothing. It's basically like a take a penny, leverage penny. But he's also genuinely doing it. It's not like he's like being like lazy about it. It's like, genuinely, he's like sitting there trying his best and that's his best. Yeah, yeah, His best isn't very
good, but like it's his best. And, you know, and she actually, and what I liked about her relationship with him is you very quickly find out that she doesn't actually seem to resent him for being. Yeah, just so stupid because she's not. She could have been a lot. Worse than she was. Yeah, she's just a middle schooler. She's just. A middle schooler, she wants a new phone.
Her phone is old. She was embarrassed that her drunk uncle went to parents day or some part sort of presentation where the parents went and she was the only one whose parent didn't go and uncle went and he was drunk as a skunk and so she was complaining about that. Which, honestly, same. Yeah, that's a. Valid. Absolutely, yeah. And then later on you find out that she actually, despite not being stupid, she's cuz she's not. She actually has that same sense of kindness that you see in her
father. Because unlike pretty much everyone else in this movie who's out for themselves, she actually saves someone. Unlike anyone else in this movie, she actually manages to save a little kids life, a little homeless child. Yeah, and no one, literally no one else has ever saved this movie. She is the only one who actually accomplishes her goal of saving someone. And she's. Oh sure, the actress is so good, but.
Yeah, she's so good. I love how you brought up Donald though, which is the American. Good old Donald. Who is trying just to be heroic during the initial onslaught of the monster emerging from the Han River and just wreaking havoc along the shoreline? And he seemed to have like a Korean girlfriend who was like Donald. Get back here. Like stop helping everybody. And he had a very American spirit. Like they got it right, Yeah. Yeah, within the face of danger,
doing something stupid. But heroically, that's like the very American ideal, yeah. But it's also the very that's the person who would have been the main lead of the film. Absolutely. Like the American? Version of this movie. Yeah, would be. They're gonna be the. Yeah, the a muscle guy that can like throw things, like really heavy things. Has an idea. It's the. One to like stop and actually do things and not just like run screaming around. But he nearly dies a hero.
He gets gobbled up by the monster, loses an arm, gets treatment at the US Army camp. Is patient 0 for this quote UN quote virus fake virus? It's a fake virus. It's not a creature, it's a virus. It's a virus. What I loved about that is I'm like, so that's like a severe allergic reaction to chemicals. Like that's not a virus, but like, OK, I put two in two together. That man has like, chemical burns and like, good job. It's formaldehyde.
Yeah, like he got his arm bitten off and then was in the Han River, which is not the world's cleanest river. No. OK. This man was dying of like toxic. He also got spit by a creature that was created by that. Yeah. So like, and it's bangs. It's just poison. This is. Yeah, this is. Like chemical poisoning, right?
That's what this is. But you know, I, I understand like because I feel like a lot of people who weren't really watching it the movie that closely or like perhaps didn't have any conception of like the relationship between the US military and Korea would be like, why would they make up this fake virus? Like that doesn't make sense, but it actually does because they're trying to be like, it wasn't the formaldehyde. We didn't do this. Not this. Nope, not a. Furious Virus did this. Not us.
You can hide A lot with the virus. And so and so we're gonna bomb it contagious out of existence, which is also a very American. I'm, you'll listen, I know I sound real quick. Listen, my mom's American, but I'm Canadian, so I'm gonna say it. That's a very American response to a problem is to bomb the problem out of it. But like, you know, I just thought it was very clever the way that they connected this and
then. But everyone knows all of these scientists when they have, you know, like the main dude, like if they're doing experiments, they all know it's bullshit. Yeah. That's the crazy part, is that. And well, the other thing is it seems like all of the Korean scientists don't know. Yeah, because they're not. They're lying. They're lying to the entire country. But yeah, I love when Stone Congo figures I'm skipping to the end a little bit.
But when he hears no virus and he figures it out and puts two and two together, and then the doctor, the American doctor, is like, why don't we just, like, lobotomize him? And I've been like he. Won't know. But like, he barely knows anything to begin with. I don't know. A lobotomy would have changed too much about this guy. I did, I did. I did enjoy his escape. Oh my. Where he just does the syringe of his own blood. He's like, I'll squeeze it after he was.
Like I said, everybody looking. At just. Syringe of blood and they're like, it was so great so. Just like the energy of this is just so just frantic and ridiculous. And he's great. He's like, get on the floor, Fatty, you too like get on the like just his whole escape was great. The amount of clarity that he had after the lobotomy was just. Yeah, chefs get wiped away. All the previous issues that he
was dealing with. Just I just, I just thought there's so many just like small things in this movie that combined together to be just so clever, like. But only if you already know some of the background. Like, I feel like a lot of people who are unfamiliar with the history of the region may not quite get as much from it as other people would. Yeah. It's just, it's a good. It's. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. And and as we said, it's like the plot is very minimal.
So like, we can't even spoil that much plot because. You know the family, it's just to they escape quarantine and they go for the kid like they get. Honestly, it's just like watch a loving family be loving in their own dysfunctional yeah. Yeah. Like they're, you know, it's good and it has like a sort of bittersweet ending to it that's just sort of, oh God, I feel like perhaps would be alienating to people who are seeking a more like concrete. Absolutely.
Like satisfying ending, but it has a much more like realistic ending. Realistic and I also think it like in a way gives the daughter character true hero status in a way. She. Is the one that is the hero in this? Yeah. Because. And she also helps a kid go on because then the dad takes the kid in too. So now, like it's not for not it's someone is now going to be able to live and live in a better life than they had previously because of what she
sacrificed. Very solid movie that gives everything it promises, it's going to give. Like there's it doesn't build up your expectation and then you're like, oh, you're like, listen, it's got fire. We've got fire archery. We've got going through the sewers. We've got you know, we got ooze, we got some creepy ooze. Like that's always fun, everyone. Loves to.
Slime in a creature feeder. Like it's got, you know, just sort of a bizarre, you know, I like the beginning where there's this one scene where this guy's committing suicide. Well. Yeah, and that's something that, again, the audiences won't get. No. It's a little bit harder, yeah. What is this whole thing? But it just, it shows like a very foreboding shadow, like in the water. And that's sort of like, and
then it's like, what? The promise of that foreboding shadow is immediately like delivered like 5 minutes later. It's just, it's chef's kiss. It's a chef's kiss of a show. Yeah, I would love it if you guys would give me your favorite part of the movie and the scariest part of the movie or maybe the most tension filled moment in the movie for you guys that you've for each of you. I mean it can be different for
either of you. I think my favorite part of the movie has to be it's sort of a turning of the heroic moment on its head. And it is when the the uncle character is throwing the Molotov cocktails and for like 12 seconds he's looking heroic as hell and he has his last Molotov and he's like, I'm going to whip this right at the creature. And then he drops it behind him. And I was just like this perfectly. Like exemplifies the entire vibe of this whole movie.
And then of course, then the sister is like size and then lights an arrow on fire and does what the brother couldn't do. It's really scary. The thing is, I don't actually find this movie scary. Like, I don't, I don't think it's a particularly frightening movie because of the fact that there's it's just so like, goofy isn't the right word. It is a little silly it. Will say if I'm going to go with something scary, I think the scary parts are when is the daughter with the monster by itself.
I think that's like where I would say that like if someone were to be scared in this movie, it's not, especially because she is a child and then there's another child with her. So like there's that fear of what's gonna happen to them. And that is where you see most of the gory type parts because it's like pieces of bodies after the, you know, monster has killed things. So that's like where the the creepiest part, I think lives in this.
That's like the closest to a jump scare that the movie gets, because it doesn't really do jump scares. It's just like, no, here you go, here's the creature. Yeah, I agree. I'm. Trying to think of like a favorite scene. I think like when they're escaping the quarantine spot, when it's like finally they're like, you know what, we're going to go find the daughter in whatever way she is.
Like we're going to hope that she is alive, but we're just going to do it. And just kind of that like ragtag team getting into that van and like making their way out. I think that's like the the fun. It's like the journey begins. Here, I mean there's so many funny parts of the movie they like they forget Bayduna on their escape. Yeah, I just be a nap like as they drive around the parking lot and she's like.
And she's like trying to get it. Trying to like follow where the car is going, but they're being chased by like security people. And she's like, come on, man So good. She's just and she the best part about Bethuda in this is that she doesn't really have that many lines. Like she doesn't talk a lot but she delivers such a just a vibe of a. Performance just like she is definitely the sister you. Can just tell you're like. This is what this is the only. Sister is dealing with yeah.
She really has her little, like, niece as the only other female in the family. And it's mostly like males. And she's like, this is how it's been my entire life. I think for me it's a couple of moments. I really like their when they break into the quarantine area, not quarantine area, but like it's that cordoned off area by the river and they can't go near it.
And the dad spends an obscene amount of money, all of his life savings, basically getting hustled into buying one of the decontamination vehicles, some hazmat suits that are not the right color. They're not high viz and like two or three shotguns, I think, or something like that. Maybe a couple of rifles I think. And that's it. Like 11 grand for the whole escape, everything, all of that stuff and them getting in. It was so easy. Yeah. And then they come. Up on these do any of.
That no, they didn't have to shoot anybody. They'd have to run any barricades. They didn't have to anything. They just come up against one guy who's like, yeah, I'm the chief of stone. So it's kind of like a sleazy looking guy and then they pay him off with the the ramen cup full of coins. And then just. Drive off and you expect there's to be some consequences for them just driving. Nothing ever happens, nothing ever comes of it. They're just, they just get in so easy.
It's so funny. So I love that part. I love when they leave Bayduna. The everything about like those little moments that those little pockets of comedy. Love it. There's this one quiet moment that I remember on this wash and I was like, oh, this is so interesting that he took the time to do this. And it was they had just been searching through the sewer system for her. They have had no luck.
And they go to that shipping container full of food, which I guess is like to a stock container for all of those food stalls that are on the Han River. And so they go inside and they're they're starving. So they start eating ramen. They start breaking open some snacks and stuff and they're sitting there. And then all of a sudden the girl is it. The daughter pops up behind them and starts eating the Keem Bob starts eating the food and they start feeding her.
And it was such a quiet, interesting moment to represent that the family loves her. They're thinking of her. They want to feed her. They're so caring of her. Yeah. And she's like, they are in spirit. They want to feed her. It's, it's very, you know, Koreans when they say hello, they're like, have you eaten? And this is like a one of those things where it's like they know she hasn't eaten in so long, but they're here and they're eating and they want to feed her too.
It was just such a very poetic way to express that and put that into a visual medium, even though obviously she's not there. She's starving in a pit in sewers so. She's starving. Next to a bound of bodies at the moment but. Flesh and bone. And. Goo and God knows what. Yeah, lots of. Yeah. So those were the a few moments that I really enjoyed. Yeah. The only scary moment was like when the creature fakes her out. Yeah, in the pit, because she's trying to escape and it catches
her mid hair. It was like this whole thing, Yeah. Yeah, and that was like the closest it got to a jump scare. But at that point, you're kind of expecting it. Yeah, because I feel like the point of this movie wasn't actually to be scary.
At all, Yeah. Which is, you know, an interesting way to take a creature feature, But I feel like sometimes when you're watching some creature, maybe some of the less good creature features, the more enjoyable as versus quality is that when they try too hard to make them scary, they become just goofy and you're just like, so he said, why not? We just like, we can't have terror mixed with the goofiest family you've ever seen.
Like that doesn't mesh. He's like, so it'll be off putting like the creatures appearance is off putting. Like it's, you know, kind of gross, you know, but it's never, he's not leaping out of, you know, corners and like, you know, like jump scaring the audience and stuff. Like it's just like, yeah, he's, he's there. Like, I think the only like there's only a few moments that are just like suddenly the monsters there. It's like when he unfurls from like where he's hanging.
From the. You know, bridge and you know, like the OR you know, appears suddenly like in the pit. But I don't think that the purpose of this film was to be scary. I think it was more about the social commentary than it was about the chills and thrills. Wanton evil, like that's so overt, it's so in your face. It's coming out in the daytime, you can't escape it. That sort of thing is the creature that we're dealing with, as well as the evil that created it, so.
Yeah, yeah. Because I think like it's really, you know, it's, it's interesting in the sense that it's very realistic that like evil isn't like some maniacal mustache twirling villain tying someone to train tracks. It's just like people doing shit, just banal stuff that people do to make the world a worse place. And it's just so commonplace that, yeah, throwing, you know, random chemicals down the sink. Yeah, hundreds of bottles of formaldehyde will, yeah, definitely fuck up your river,
of course. Why? Not, you know, like. And that's when you see it all the time. Like this isn't like a, a random person being evil. Like corporations are doing it. Yeah, all the time. Like governments are doing it all the time. And then it's just then it's juxtapose that against like the average person who doesn't actually have any power to stop these people from. Doing it and then it's the one that's directly impacted by it.
Yeah, they're the ones who suffer because of what you know, these people who are untouchable in the sense of, you know, they have too much power or too much prestige or too much influence or whatever. They're never the ones who suffer because of their own. Actions. So it's well, listen, he wasn't actually doing anything that bad, OK? He was, he was one of us, OK? He was just, he was a leader who wanted, listen, he wanted to pay
for his education. So we joined the Army and ended up in Korea. You know, he probably, he probably got seized in high school. He didn't know any better. You know what I mean? Like, he's just, he had more bravery than brains, OK? He's one of us. He just wanted to help people. Oh man. Do you guys have anything else you'd like to say about the Host or any other moments you want to
discuss about the movie? I think when the the grandpa dies or the dad dies was the moment that I completely forgot about. When he, I think the creature like slams him on the concrete or something. I was like oh shit, fuck, I forgot all about that moment. And then. He's not allowed to like go up and like mourn him the all the army stops him too. And it's just like a really sad yeah. And it's sort of like reflects, I think, this idea again, where real people don't get a superhero ending.
Sometimes they get wet. Newspaper.
Yeah, Shrouding they're. Put over his face like it's very real in that way for like a movie about like a creature, a mutant creature attacking people, It's a very it feels very real despite it being like over the top and these people being ridiculous who are in it. It's like no, this has like a core of like reality to it that I think makes it sort of really relatable when you're watching it, even though you're like, there's nothing that should be relatable in this.
It is at the same time, and I think that's sort of like speaks to the genius of and like this cast is like a entirety yeah. My only final thought is if you haven't watched the host you should go watch it cuz even with these spoilers it doesn't actually. Yeah, you actually just have to watch it. And be totally enamored with it, like. And who knows, like, maybe like now knowing, like what happens to the girl, it's much more approachable. Yeah, to it.
So you're not like always. You're not stressed on the edge. You know what's gonna happen. But. She don't make it. She doesn't. I'm sorry she doesn't make it because. Sometimes they don't make it, but the little kid, the little little kid. The child. Don't who got a sweet base of Asian yellow? He makes it. He makes it, Yeah, because listen, I feel like Asian yellow was bullshit too. I think it was all a pack of lies, the whole thing. Lies on lies. Lies upon lies upon lies, I'm
telling you. Yes, it's a good movie. That's not a lie. That's that's a truth. I would never lie to you, the listener. That's a good movie. Well, if there is nothing else you guys want to say, we are going to get out of here and continue on our spooky season. Jesse has 15 more movies to watch and we have a lot more dramas to catch up on before the year is out. So thank you again for coming on. This was so much fun. Where can people find you online in case they don't know where to
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good time there. We're always at certified nunas everywhere but if you want to find me I'm at Soju under score nights on Twitter. That's where I mostly live and I just post nonsense there so but love chatting with people. You know how it be. Yeah, and for me, I am at wine and AK. Drama everywhere, even a website too. I have a blog. So very nice you. Can catch up on all those movies that she's. Doing. Yeah, guys. I can't wait. I can't wait to hear like the final verdict on all of it.
Yes. What an undertaking. Oh my gosh. OK, thanks again. This is fun. Thank you, Bong Joon Ho for creating the host. And that's it, that's our show. I'm Jessica and this has been the Teba K Rambo's podcast. The.