Revenant / Ep. 58

I'm Jessica and this is Teva K Rambles, where a couple of friends review Korean dramas. And we're here for the final spooky season episode of 2023. And we're here with a ghost story. It's finally happening. We're on brand for the final episode. A my guest is dancing. My guest today is Lola from Lola pops off about K dramas. How are you, Lola? Hello. I'm doing well and super excited to be on this episode talking about spooky things.

Yeah. So what happened was, I asked you if you had seen Revenant, because I saw that you had covered it on one of your episodes where it was like a bunch of different shows. I don't know how you do this, 'cause you, you cover so many shows. And I had seen, like, Revenant pop up, and I was like, oh, did she ever finish that show? So I asked you and you were like, yeah, I actually did. And I was like, perfect.

Are you willing to come on to do this episode sort of last minute, last minute for me, 'cause I usually plan things out. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that so much. And so we're here. We're going to talk about this ghost story on the pod. Let's do it. But before we do, if this is your first time listening, go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. We're on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcast and many more.

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It's a nice little community over there, but man, it is getting to be a mouthful to say all these names in the podcast. All right. So Lola, Are you ready to talk about this ghost story? Yes. I am ready. All right, so give us the Drama Bean synopsis. I went with the Drama Bean synopsis because the MDL synopsis and the Asian Wiki synopsis did not make sense. It was incoherent. Oh yes, Oh yes. The Asian wiki one was horrible.

And I used that one when I in my episode and I had to clean it up. I had to clean it up myself because, like, it just didn't make OK precise the point. Here's the synopsis. Here we go. A literature professor whose mother was once killed by a demon recognizes the same demon in a young woman. As she slowly realizes that she's being possessed and horrible things start to happen around her, they team up with a police investigator to free the woman from demonic control.

If you just switch demonic to straight up ghost. Ghost. That's it. That's the Yeah. I don't know why they're used. Demons. Yeah. No ghosts. It's Ghost and it's very clear Ghost, clear delineation in the show that it's Ghost. So yes, this aired just this year from June to July 23. I think it was a little early for this too. Early. Yeah. Way too early, yeah. It all should have been in the fall, not in the summer, but whatever.

Well, I wonder if it has to do with in South Korea they would leave like in. The dead of summer, like the hottest time of the year. You're supposed to watch scary things or like do scary things to like relieve yourself of the heat. I feel like I've heard that somewhere and all my watching of K drama stuff or like just Korean that television, I'd be the case. I think. I heard that. I think because I realized that I think maybe running man, they would always do like their scariest.

Like haunted house episodes in the summer, and I think that's where it comes from. I don't know. I'm just saying that. But it seems early for us, for sure. Yeah, well, it's only 12 episodes long and it was directed by Yi Jung Lim, who has directed VIP from 2019 and nothing else. Literally not a single other thing this person has done. That's incredible. I I think that's incredible.

But the writer, the writer's famous Keelan, he wrote it and she's written things like all seasons of Kingdom on Netflix which is a zombie K drama. Saguk K drama. It's amazing. Highly recommend it. She's written sign Phantom 3 Days Signal one of the best K dramas of all time GD Sign recently, which I heard mixed things about. But this is a big name for for the right? Name. Yeah, huge signal was enough. Like it. You didn't have to get to anything else.

And you're like, you're right, Signal. Got it. You know what else is stacked? This small cast that we have is also pretty well regarded, right? You have Kim Terry as Sanyong, the main lead, and she's been in seven movies, including The Handmaiden. I always love bringing up the Handmaiden. No, of course. As you should. As you should want to. Oh, my goodness, the glorious the handmaiden. Oh yes. Oh my God. We we actually reviewed the Handmaiden on the Patreon feed.

Me and Miguel, who's been on the podcast before we watched it. We just laughed our way through that review because I don't know, like if sometimes you talk about a a show or a movie and you, you feel sort of embarrassed and giddy as if you watched it with a. Parent. Yes, yes. Embarrassed. You're like, Oh my gosh, I'm like, blushing. I'm blushing talking about this, but I am an adult. I could talk about this without blushing, but no, you can't.

That's exactly how that episode went for the Patreon feed with the Handmaiden. So yeah, another reason to jump on the Patreon feed. But anyway, she's done a bunch of movies. Not that many like just a few. And then not that many like TV shows either, really. She did Mr. Sunshine, which was a big one. Huge. I I say big. It's huge. Which we've covered on the podcast. And 2521 from 2022? Well, yes. We're both like, dancing. Great. I don't be great 2521.

Yeah, what a great drama, bro. So both of those have episodes on the feed. You could say that this is a Quintiri podcast a little bit. I love that, yeah. Now she stars opposite Au Chung. Say, who plays Yom Heisang, who is the folklore professor? Not I think the synopsis said he was a literature professor. He's a folklore professor. Folklore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's amazing. He's been in a ton of things, 55

movies, 30 plus shows. You might have seen him in the call on Netflix, which is a movie also very on brand for spooky season. I if you like Signal, you will like the call, I guess because it's a very spooky serial killer version. Well, not that Signal doesn't have serial killers. But yes, watch the call. And then his his shows, like you've seen him in so many things. But here are some of the movie, the shows that I have here in my notes I have I Miss you, which

was traumatizing. Marry him if you dare. One of the most terrible K dramas I've ever seen. Missing 9. I don't know if you've watched this, this one from 2017. No, I didn't. OK, so I skipped it. I remember watching it as it was airing. And the problem was it was like a lost scenario. They were trapped on an island after a plane crash and I was like, oh, this is going to be really good. They had like a bunch of intrigue and then just like the show lost, it just crashed and

burned like it was like. Bad. It was like the actual plane. It was just a bad show. And then. But he rebounded, right? Like he's had really good projects in recent years. When the Camellia blooms from 2019, which I really appreciate that show, we covered it on the podcast Hot Stove League, which I've heard endless good things about that show. It's OK to not be OK, which he was tremendous in that show. Doesn't matter like how you necessarily feel about the show.

He was amazing in that show. And then Little women from last year, Sweet Home is coming up, Sweet Home two and three. He's in the second and third season, So Sweet Home on Netflix, which we've covered season one of Sweet Home just a few episodes back if you want to listen to it. So how do you feel about these two people? And then Jung say and Kitty. I'm a huge key. Kim, Teddy, Stan. I like to say I'm a Stan.

I write for her. I I think when I originally talked about this drama The Revenant, I said the only reason only one who could get me to watch a horror drama would be Kim Teddy. So I adore her. She is enough to convince me to watch a horror K drama. And then Jung Say absolutely love him. And I thought it was interesting that you brought up. I miss you. When you said traumatizing, it is the best way to describe that. The best way to describe that drama was absolutely

traumatizing. But yes, I've loved him since I've seen him and things. He's a scene stealer to me. Like in some of the things he's been in, he can come out of the the woodwork and you're like, Oh my goodness, he's totally stealing the show for me right now. So I absolutely adore him as well, for sure. Love it. I think this is a newcomer Hong Kong plays Hong. Say this is the cop character. I had never seen him before. This was my first time.

Well, not my first time because I've seen him in bit parts and other shows, right? So Rain. He was in Rain or Shine, AKA just Between Lovers. I don't remember that man at all. He's in Life on Mars, which Curtis from Infatuation podcast shout out to him because he loves that show and recommends that every time I talk to him about Cage dramas, he's like, Have you seen Life on Mars yet? I have not. Also, I have not either. OK, so we're both in the same boat. We're both in the same boat.

So we also have Liv from 2018, which came up recently for me because I was on the Infatuation Pod K Drama draft episode and someone recommended, oh chose it for their, their pick, one of their draft picks. And I was like, oh cool, never heard of it. Got to put that on the list. That's three years long. He was also Hong Kong was also in DP, which we covered a couple of episodes ago for a spooky season. Lovers of the Red Sky and Week Hero Class One, Had you seen this dude before?

So yes. Like you, I've seen him kind of like, I don't remember him in live. Like I remember that I watched that drama, but I don't remember him in that, right? I I watched him in DI, watched DP, didn't remember him in DP. I started Lovers of the Red Sky and then dropped it kind of remembered him in the In Lovers of the Red Sky kind of, but not much. And then Week here Class one was one of my top K drums of last year and he was one of the reasons I absolutely loved week

here. Class One highly recommend it if you can stomach bullying and violence, but he in there the entire cast was amazing. And so I pinned him as someone to keep an eye out for because like, obviously I wasn't paying attention to him before. But that was another motivator

for me to watch. The Revenant was him because I had told myself I want to keep an eye on him and check out any new things that he would be in. And so when I saw him in here with Kim Teddy, I was like, OK, I can see him and something else. And he's not playing a high school student. So it was really exciting to jump in to see him in this. That's so great to hear. I think we have a couple other veterans that I'll just shout out real fast. We have Kim.

Hey, Sook, who plays Bianki. She is the grandmother of, I was gonna say Sancte, but that's not his name here. That's his character. And it's OK to not be OK? No, She plays his song's mother. Grandmother. Yes. And then yeah, Grandma, it's Grandma. Grandma, Grandmother and then Paktuyung plays Kyung Moon, Who is Kim Teddy's mom in the show? And then Kim Wun Hey the Great Kim Wun hey plays Montoon, Who is the other cop in the show? So what did you think of this

show? I don't think I know how you feel about rubbing it at all. I have no inkling. You have no idea. OK. So I did go ahead briefly mention that I. Don't watch horror. That's not my Forte. I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of it and I haven't watched a horror K drama in years, I'm going to be honest with you. So this was a really big feat for me. I was very, very impressed with myself that I even started the drama, let alone finish it.

And like I said, I had two reasons to start it, which was Kim, Teddy and Honky Young. Since I've. He's a a developing crush, I must say, and I was terrified. The opening alone of the drama was was too much for me, So I had to like Fast forward it. Not because I was trying to hurry to the episode, but because I was just too afraid to sit through the actual opening of this drama. So that's how I felt. I was terrified. The opening episodes, I was so scared.

But then there was a moment and the drama where. It wasn't that scary anymore. And we'll talk. We'll talk about why I felt like it wasn't that scary after a certain point. And I but I want to say I actually liked it. By the end of it, I have to say I actually liked it. And as someone who's not a big horror fan, I think I may have been coming at it. And being a little bit more gentle with it than maybe someone else who's used to horror things and really enjoys

horror. So I think I'm, you know, I was being really soft on it and be like, oh, I actually like this. But there were some some glaring kind of, like issues that I had with it. And it had a lot to do with like that middle of the drama. So it was like the beginning I really enjoy. Then there was something that kind of went awry in the middle for me. And then right at the end I was like, OK, and then I summed it up as me being. Like, oh, I think I liked it.

You know, I think that's how I came away with my feelings for the revenues. Like, I think I liked it. I was able to sit through it. It was a horror drama. So I thought that was really, you know, enough for me to say I liked it, but I made it to the end. Wow. I kind of feel the same way as you. It's not that I I'm watching horror all the time, but I think that I'm more comfortable with thrillers and I don't like, will never watch possession stories.

I know that is my line that I don't cross. I know. It's like I said that in my episode. I talked about this in my initial like, thoughts, wanted, I said. Miss me with anything about demons and ghosts. Possessing people like that is my Forte. Like that's not my Forte. That's where I also I'm like, I steer far away from that. And so again it was Kim Terry. Like she's the only reason I watched this trauma.

She was the only reason, Yeah, I agree with you that the beginning and the end of the show are the best, the middle episodes. It's not that they're saggy, it's that they're it's almost like they try to do a little like ghost story of the week. They had to solve a little something, something so that they can get to the next stage of their own, like ghosts that they're dealing with. And I don't think it necessarily worked for me because I just

ended up getting confused. I was like, how does this relate back to the original Ghost and how is this going to resolve itself? Why are they feels like they're wasting time or? I don't know, it just didn't. There was something about it and I still don't know what it is that I was like checked out a little bit about it.

OK, cool, but the. Show. Yeah, we're on the same page, but I think that the show does a really good job building a steady, stylish sense of dread throughout that will keep you sort of on edge and coming back even though you're not. This is not a typical horror show, which I've watched. Horror shows, right? I literally was watching. What's it called? Oh my God, I forgot the name of the show. But it's the one on Netflix. Haunted Haunting of Hill House.

You know that one? Oh, gosh, no, thank you. OK, so because my sister is, I know of it. Yes, I know of it. Evidently I'm living with a horror fan because she's watching everything that the director slash writer of Haunting of Hill House has put out currently. And so I'm like re watching it with her. And I was like, this is totally different than how Revenant is, right? How this one was put together in in the West. We rely so much on ambiance and jump scares, right?

This is not that show at all. Yes, it has that dark cinematography, but you know, I can watch this during the day like this is like and still be able to see the screen. During the day, I watched it early in the morning so I didn't have any issues when I went to bed at night. Oh no, I just mean, well that too, but I just mean that you it's not so dark like when you watch it. Cinematography wise it's not so dark that you have to watch it

at night. Otherwise you just the glare from the sun is too much and you're not going to be able to see anything on the screen. So that I appreciate that they didn't. What's another example of them doing that in the West? Oh, like any battle in Game of Thrones that happened at night, I feel like, well, I guess I have to watch this at night in a pitch dark room, because otherwise I'm not going to be able to see anything on the screen. So things like that.

That's so true. Yeah, yeah, unless you see it, then you're like, oh, I can't see anything. I guess I need to create a condition to watch this show. It's not like that for Revenant. The cinematography is not that rude, but it does present this sort of mystical world that is very threatening at night. Like because of the the way it's set up, the lore and everything. The night time is going to be where shit goes down, basically. But.

I I appreciated it. I appreciated it that it was also shrouded in a lot of ambiguity. I think I'd learned to appreciate it. I don't think it was necessarily my favorite thing. That so much was like, oh, we thought it was this and said it's that. And what's the significance of this? Well, in this book that my dad wrote, it's about this. And this means that. And what do these numbers mean? Oh, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was very like clues and

mystery. And if you're not into that that's, that's not your bag, then I'm sorry. Like Revenant is not for you because it was very much a mystery thriller. It was. I completely agree. I think for me, a lot of the horror did come in the early episodes and the end correct middle part was really like you just said. It was kind of like it was just like a thriller mystery. When are we gonna find out the next clue?

I mean we literally in this drama are looking for items objects like you know so it's it's scavenger not so I I completely agree that there was a big chunk of the drama that felt like it wasn't that scary it wasn't as horror founded or based. And I think another thing that I liked about this drama which I don't know it, I think it may be something that's kind of like signature to the director.

I mean sorry the writer where she, I feel like she has this this way of making sure that things are really grounded in history. You know obviously Kingdom is a say good but like she that's one of her forte's. So I feel like the one of the highlights of this drama is the way that they kind of go back in time a little bit and they pull out these rituals and you know these ideas like exorcisms and and and how that and how that ties to folklore and kind of

Korean folklore. And so I ended up really enjoying that element. And I think again, to me that was more, I mean that's throughout the whole drama cause like even like I said, the ghost of the day, that was a part of it. Like some of the ghosts were these ghost types that you would find in these lores in the lore. So I thought that was kind of interesting. But again, did it go on too long? Did we have too much of that? Yeah, I think we did.

And The thing is, the show is tight at 12 episodes, but maybe it's tight 10. I agree. I agree. I was. I was thinking, I think when you told me that we were going to talk about this, we were like, you asked me to talk about this drama. I, for some reason in my head thought it ended at 8 episodes. Like I was like, oh, I just have to go over 8 episodes and it was like, no, actually there's 12.

So I think I myself, my mind chalked out a lot of this drama when I was going back over it. And again, I think they're a big chunk of it. It's half the drama. So, right, right. Yeah, we're gonna have to talk about some of these details. Maybe that I don't. Part that you're gonna have to help me on it cuz I try and block some of that stuff out. Like as soon as I watch it, I'm like, that's too much to remember.

I am going to just chalk it up to the like I summarize in my head and then that's all I remember. Yeah, I I like I said I thought it was 8 episodes. I completely deleted episodes from my mind. So I think. What kept me going as well was the performances from Kim, Teri and Ochung say. I thought they were tremendous. I thought they were amazingly

talented in this show. And Kim Teddy playing dual parts basically with her and her other version I guess you could say really unique how she juxtaposed them and how she created 2 wildly different characters and you just knew from her posture, her body language, from which hand she was using that it's a different person. It's not sign Young the the main lead at this juncture. And then all I can say is, well, an entire, like crises he goes through in the show.

And I appreciate. I appreciate him. Like, I just think he's one of the best actors of his generation. I love him. Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, absolutely. I actually thought it was unique for, well, not even unique. One of the other draws from me for starting this drama was actually the poster for the release. The poster they released for this? Let's talk.

About it. It was Kim Terry and her kind of dual characters that she's kind of presenting in this drama and like you said amazing performance. But in the poster are still image alone. You're able to see the way she's able to clearly show the difference like her as this young girl struggling to survive and, you know, her day-to-day life, and then this girl

possessed in one still image. And so if you see that in just that poster, I was like, my goodness, I can only imagine how her performance is gonna be in this drama. So I was super, super impressed by her performance. I completely agree with you. Hands down she and there were even points where like the the characters themselves they would have problems or trouble distinguishing between who she was in the moment and I was like, I'm with you.

I don't know who she is either and so again just just so stand out and I love that they even used her performance and how amazing it was for the characters themselves to call attention to it in a way. And so I thought that was really unique and cool and like I said, junk say amazing. And I weirdly, I associate him a lot with comedic performances. So yeah, I don't know why I think those are the performance. I remember most of his or that maybe I enjoyed the most, I

don't know. But so seeing him in this role. I was so serious, so serious, so and like and quieter than I'm used to. I felt he was. He was so much quieter than I'm used to and I and subtle. There was something very subtle about his performance and I was super impressed by it. I was like, Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. I think I needed to see him like this to kind of like remind me of the kind of actor that he

actually is and his range. Not that I'd forgotten necessarily, but I just, it wasn't a nice refresher to be like, Oh yeah, this is what he does on screen. This is it, He has range. And so I really. Also, this might be just me, but like, he was very attractive. He was so good. Yeah, I'm not used to calling a protector, to be honest. But yes, I completely agree with you. And that's why I said something very like muted and and subtle about him. And it it kind of, it was very sexy.

I have to say. I have to. Say, I know it was the black turtleneck. Yeah, I think I have a thing for professors. So I think I also was a little bit. So the professor, the folklore professor with the turtleneck and the little blazer jacket and you know, it. Yeah, it was nice. He was, he was actually, you know, showing up today. I know. Like every time he took out the blazer and he was just there in his turtleneck, I was like, hold on, hold on, the turtle.

We have the turtleneck of the blazer off. Yes, I agree. I'm not one to usually call him out for being sexy on screen, but I had to give it to. Had to give it to. I was simply for Autumn stay versus Hong Kong. I I think he's so adorable. Like I loved him and mind you the two performances that I've seen other things. But the two, yeah, the two performance that I really paid attention to him and and we class hero and this he's not playing adorable at all.

So that's what's so funny to me. I think he's adorable and yet he does not come off on screen at all as adorable. And I don't know where I'm getting that from, but I just love his face on screen and I love his performances. I think I feel like he did amazing in this drama. Yeah, he did so well. And I mean, I don't know if he beat his weak class hero performance, but I definitely think he's amazing. I think he's an amazing.

I will say that had it been to other weaker actors in Kim Teddy's position in Orcheng Say's position, Hong Kong shine. Yes, I completely agree, completely agree. You had Kim Tater, you were growing up against junk, say, yeah, I mean, you were gonna fall in the back. You were gonna fall to the back a little bit, but he did hold his own. He did. He really did. Going back to Kim, Teri and Otung say, did I make up that they had chemistry?

I OK, I I I didn't even really put like thoughts to this. But now that I like went back over it. Yes, yes, yes, I think I was. Like sensing something and I was like, am I just? Not getting enough sleep lately or? Are they? There's something between them? I don't know what it was that. Maybe it was because you know what I think it is? I think it's because I was viewing him in this very kind of like sexy professor turtle deck role.

So I think I always was trying to push him in this kind of romantic space or spear what it it wasn't supposed to be and so I completely. Agree. He was supposed to be like, 10 years older than Yes, Yes, he was. Definitely. I mean, wasn't even everyone. He was. He was younger than her father, obviously. Yeah, exactly. But he was. Like, he's in a manageable enough, Yeah, in a good age range, Yeah. Like technically in the age range. Maybe she was like maybe like

mid 20s or late 20s. Mid 20s, yeah. And he would probably be mid 30s pushing maybe. Pushing 40, 40, Pushing 40, Yeah. Pushing. Man, I don't know. So I was like, I can't tell. I can't tell because at some point when she visited him and like at the school that one time I was like, she's giving off, could be one of his students. So I was, I was taken aback. So I don't know. I don't, I don't know. But then at the end, the final scene, I was like, I can see it though, I can see.

It Uh, huh. Uh, huh. That's the thing. Sorry. You want to come in? All right, we're on the other side of spoilers. So, Lola, where do you want to start first? I think you had some qualms with the middle bit of the show, yes. But maybe we should start from the beginning so that we can separate like what? It's OK. OK. So you. Get I feel like I think I just got confused because there were so many different parts of lore that we were exploring with the other ghost stories.

Like we found out about juvenile ghosts and then we find out about Jung songs ghosts. We found out about the hungry ones. Hungry. Ghosts we find out about, which is also AKA the the begging ghost. We find out about the shamanic rituals which Oh my God, what are those ghosts? Wandering Ghosts. The wandering had to do with that one cause the lady, that old lady freaking brought the wrath of all these wandering ghosts to her entire village. Yeah, the entire village. Traumatized.

Selfish I think. OK, so here's the thing. I like the themes behind the ghost stories, not the not necessarily them. Like going back and forth and figuring this out and oh, this rock over here was touched by whatever. And this tree over here represents this, all of these suicide ghosts and the children. And I'm like, it was too much, I think, for my little brain. To comprehend all of Korean folklore in the span of several

episodes. So this crash course was maybe not for me, but I like that the ghosts and the people that they haunted and killed, a call came from like a very real place, right? It came from like that old lady, for instance. Hers was out of the want. The need to see her daughter, her dead daughter again, who committed suicide. So yeah, it was actually really sad. Yeah, I felt really bad for her. I understood why she went her daughter back, Yeah. Exactly. You feel terrible for her.

And what was cool was you had that scene of what's his face going to see, going to check on all of the old people in the town and hissong sees the ghost there. And he's like, you know, whatever, Elder, what does she mean? Like don't move. And she's like, I see her and then you're like, Oh my God. She could see the goods. And then you're like, Oh my God, it's her daughter. And then what she's seeing is wildly different than what Hissang is seeing.

She's seeing. A whole, you know, not spooky daughter smiling and sitting in front of her at the tenor table. And I'm like that's very touching but but exactly. But but that daughter is dead and gone and she does not look like that. Really. She's not looking like she was in life. So things like that were very emotional. But then seeing like how how she summoned all of the ghosts and turned north to South or something using those waypoints.

I was like, that's a lot like she was like cutting herself and putting blood on the pole and like the blood, yes. I was like, oh. Oh oh she is messing with some dark sided stuff to do that and he had to come undo it. Hey song had to come and undo all of that. So he had to cut himself and then do it the other way it. Was just like then she assaulted him like she she hit him, bashed him in the head, Yeah, head, yeah. I was like she is. Somebody get this lady out of

here like she is not doing well. Not doing well. So This is why I said earlier that it was very selfish of her. Because not only is it out of grief that she's doing this, but it's out of selfishness because she would rather damn the whole town and see her daughter like everyone she ever knew, Like she grew up in that town. That the how like was there her whole life and thought, I don't care about my friends here, I care about the daughter that's already gone.

More than the living people, the people who are here with me. Exactly. Exactly. So she was very selfish. And that's the thing about a lot of these ghost stories, the ones where the ghosts were praying on the living people, was that they all had some kind of weakness, some sort of real thing that they were dealing with in their lives. And the ghosts would manipulate it and weasel their way in and kill them over different things.

Yep. So, I don't know, Maybe it was also the fact that it was too much suicide. That's what I was going to touch. That's OK. Really. What? I was OK. You take over. You take over.

No. I was just going to say one of my big qualms with the middle of the drama was that it was just repetition at the very beginning, The early opening episodes when we get kind of introduced to the ghost, the, you know, the wild haired ghost, we see that the way that she possesses, she actually possesses people and then forces them to kill themselves and that's how she gets her revenge or whatever. And I I was like, traumatized by that. I was like, that is horrifying.

And the thing of the people who get possessed by her are kind of like, almost, you know, aware of the fact that they're being possessed and in the process of killing themselves. So, so, so sad and scary. And so I was like, this is horrible. And this was in the beginning of the drama And then after seeing that already one once, you know seeing that multiple other times throughout this drama, I was like, OK, at some point we gotta let we gotta move on.

We gotta move on. I was, I was getting really tired of seeing this repetition of the the killings of the suicidal possession killings. I thought that heavy for way too long. Very heavy for it to be go on that many different people like she kills so many people like that And I'm. Like many people, but but while also we're watching the other ghost story. So that's Yes, yes. I didn't like that was. Almost suicides, double suicide like too much, too much, too

much and it was on repeat. So by by a certain point I wasn't as fearful of it. I was not scared of it. I was just annoyed. At a certain point, I was like, okay, another, another ghost taking over somebody body and killing and killing them. OK, here's another one.

Here's another one. And to me, that was the chunk of the middle that I believe really, I don't like you say it wasn't draggy because all of those kind of, you know, ghosts of the day, those things, you know, they move and you want to see the ending of that and the resolution of those, but connected to this greater story, which is finding out who is the ghost that has actually possessed our main character. That's what I was really wanting.

I think a little bit more of or more of the focus of throughout that middle of the drama, 'cause I feel like the beginning. We started that search, that journey of like, who is this ghost that has attached herself to our our, our main character. And then we get the the reveal at the very, very end. So that was the the kind of combination of like, OK, that was the story that I really wanted to know, but I only got that in the middle, I mean in the beginning really.

And then at the end and the middle was a whole bunch of other things that kind of started to feel repetitive. So I yeah, I had a lot of trouble with that. I did. And then I think I got confused with who the ghost. I know who the ghost is. Like who created the ghost? Was it the grandmother? AM I? Yeah. So yes, you're right. The grandmother created the ghost, but it was like her family created.

It was her and her husband created the ghost because they were falling on hard times and so they needed, they wanted to keep the money, their wealth. So it was greed. It was greed and like you said, it was what they believed they needed so that they can continue to keep their growing their wealth and that. Was so that was but then it would it would curse their family right? Like they knew going into it the shaman was like this is going to curse your family for generations.

Like you can't get out from underneath this curse. And they were like. Yeah, we're still going to do it. Oh well, we're still going to do it. And we want money more than anything. But it was the grandmother, like you said, who really was the the driving force behind it. Because even when like her, her husband was trying to pull out of it and he was like, I can't do this anymore than her son. I can't, I can't do this anymore. She did not care. She was like, I don't care.

You better keep this ghost in this family so help you. So yes, she was definitely the the real villain in this story, if you think. About it and it possessed the ghost possessed everyone but her am I right? Everybody but her. It possessed the I think it was following like the men of the in the family like it was on. I think it was her husband 1st and then it was her son and I think it was supposed to eventually be her grandson and his mother. Hey song and so it was his

mother who ends up dying. Remember when she tries to like steal the ghost and everything and and goes on the run with her son? That was her trying to prevent that from happening. And so she did, though, because his song was spared. And then the grandmother held it against him that he didn't get possessed and die for the fam. Exactly. So just the grandmother was the evil, the most, the most selfish of them all. There was no redeeming qualities about her, even to the very end.

And I I mean, I almost, I was going to say I was like, OK, She felt. I was like, oh wait, did she feel too like one note, you know, of a of a character. She knows her building self all the way through. But I did kind of like that at the very end there. She did have this moment where she kind of gives them the final clue of like, how. She gives them the real gras. Yes, Yes, exactly. She does. I was like fingers even though. Yeah, the finger, It's just the

finger. It was the finger on our side. So all she needed to do the whole time was chop off her finger and give it to her grandson so that he could just light it on fire. Oh yeah, that was it was so simple. I guess. So simple. So that's what's funny too. But I think what was so like, to me, the best part of this drama, besides the performances, was the back story of the ghost of like how she actually became I. It was so listen to it, listen to it. So it was so quick.

It happened. Like I said, they revealed it right at the very end. But it's after we get the twist, the reveal that in the beginning of the drama, then they start to investigate who this ghost is that has attached itself to our sung young character. We are believing we're following this little girl from back in the 1950s, I believe 1958, this little girl and his family, and we think she's the ghost.

And we're like, OK, she has every right to be the ghost, 'cause she gets rudely sacrificed and a ritual, A sham, you know, shaman ritual. And so obviously she's this ghost who has, you know, this possessed sonyoung. However, at some point we get A twist where it's not actually this little girl the entire time that we thought it was. It's actually her sister and her sister and it's something like Second Borns and and her sisters.

It was this whole thing about second borns born sacrificial and she ended up lying about being the the second born in a way by sending her sister to this ritual. And really she was supposed to be the one to go to this ritual and the whole reason they were doing this ritual was for money. They were from a very poor fisherman kind of family

background. And she was, you know, because she was poor And she was, I remember was she in school I believe and she had a crush on her teacher, her art teacher. She was really good at art, but she she felt like she didn't have and she didn't even have enough money to buy the art supply. So we just get this back story of this really sad poor girl who ends up being doing something really selfish, which is because she wanted money, she wanted her

family to have money. She sends her sister off to be sacrificed in this ritual and the minute she realizes that this is what she has done, she tries to pull out of it. She tries to return the money and and say hey, no. It's not even that she felt bad about her sister dying. It was like the whole family, family, everybody started dying. Her mother committed suicide. Yeah, everybody started dying. I mean, it was so traumatic for her.

So she's like, oh, I got to undo this whole thing, take the money back. But what ends up happening is she gets caught by the shaman and it turns into she gets her sister gets killed anyway, but so does she. And her seeing her sister die, her family die, All of this in the way that she dies, it turns her into this vengeful spirit which is what they needed in the 1st place.

They the whole. It was like almost like a trick from the shaman perspective of like we don't really need your, you know, little kind of your little sister who's just like why did he die? You know, going into this, this, this ritual getting sacrifice, we need someone to have this vengeful spirit about them. And she and all that she ended up doing, I was the one who actually turned into the vengeful spirit. And so watching that whole story play out to me was so interesting.

I mean, I was so intrigued by it. I was horrified by it. But I also really felt for her, because it wasn't that she was evil by nature, obviously, but it did show her as kind of immature and selfish and silly and dumb in a way that she thought very naive, not very naive. And so I just, I like that we got to see that character. But then we also get to see her when she is the ghost that's possessing son young.

And we get to see this immaturity, this youthfulness, this kind of like girl who just wants to be liked by a guy. You know, when she has an interracial action with Hongsei and he notices that it's not a little girl. She she's, she's older than a little girl. You know, he's like this isn't a little girl. She's giving, you know, teenager vibes. And so I really loved all of that reveal. And to me that came too late in a way.

I feel like I wanted to see a little bit more of her story fleshed out, and not necessarily that they didn't show everything, but taking its time to reveal that a little bit more. And that would have taken away from all of that repetitive killing of the ghost and the ghost of the day. I think that would have been nice if we would have pulled that in more to the middle of the drama instead of just holding me off to the very, very

end. Yeah, there was a big emphasis on finding out who the ghost was and knowing her name. Oh yes, Which felt very familiar to me because that's something that's part of like usual, like possession movies and stuff, especially with, I think it's in Catholicism, which I'm not a Catholic, so I feel bad in trying to explain this. But they need the name of the, the demon to like, cast it out, to be able to cast it out. I mean, this is terrifying. Whatever. It is terrifying.

It's terrifying. So I was like, oh, OK, yeah, I get this. They need to find out her name in order to, like, cast her out, Get rid of her. I don't think that I necessarily ever sympathized with the ghost. Oh, I think her name is Hyung Yi. Hyung Yi? Yup. But. I thought she was really interesting. Yes, yes, I really. It's a weird thing. Yes. Where you're like, I want to know more about this ghost, like let me sit down and have a conversation because she is giving. I completely agree.

I think that was like, to me, a highlight of this drama was to be this ending, like this reveal of the actual ghost and who she was. And even like this, I mean, there's a trickster element to the ghost. Obviously, a lot of the things that she does is very tricky and and she's doing things on purpose so that she can get her way. And I I love that.

I still love that. Even like you said, there's nothing that you can say you really liked about her as far as like, Oh yeah, I completely sympathize. I understand why she's killing so many people, you know, never to like, can I say that? But I did feel like she was interesting. I did want to know more about her, like even when she possessed Sun Young and she pretends to be her to her own mother, son, Young's mother. And it was her wanting that was cool.

And it was her wanting a mother, figuring, like wanting to be a daughter again, like at. The end of the day, Kelly, like, wanted. Yeah, she was selfish. She was. But I don't think she was necessarily evil. Exactly. Exactly she. She had no redeeming qualities, just like the grandmother. She was not very redeemable, but. She wasn't this heartless part. Like she wasn't heartless. You could tell that she wanted

things. And really, like, her goal in possessing all of these people was to stick around and live a life. That was it. That was it. She died too. Love. Yeah, She's like I. Died too soon. Yeah. And she just thought, oh, if I, if I live such a terrible life, I'm going to get one that I want to live for and I'm going to steal it from other people. And that's all she was doing. That's literally what she was doing the entire time. And I and I don't. It's like I said I there's

something good about that. I wanted her to go by the end of the drama. Trust me, I want. Her. You're like, oh, wait, she has to go get rid of her insecurity. Yes, bring insecurity, please. But I I did feel something at some point. I think what really got me, I think that my one of the things that really stood out to me the most was when our detective, he recognizes her, you know, at the carnival, like running around, she's like wanting to play and take, you know, win games.

And it was just and like and she was kind of flirting with him and you know, she's like she wanted to flirt with him and all of that. And I was just, I was getting, I was like, I I was like, oh, she just wants to be, you know, a a teenage. Girl, she's very extroverted. She's got nothing to lose. So every time she has interactions with other people, she's not.

It's not that she's not reading. The non verbal cues in the room, it's that she's blowing past them and blowing past all of the social stop signs and throwing wine on people and calling people out for their bullshit and aggressively flirting with you Like yes, you're like, oh this is a like it's an extrovert maybe, but maybe a step beyond that, like it's just a wild person. Yes, she was a wild, I mean,

which makes sense. I mean, to think that she's been living a living through these people and and living through these people, she's been terrorizing others and killing others, you know, it's like, right, You're you're dealing with a mad. Woman, they said that the reason why she? Gained so much power over these people, as well as that she's giving them what they want. And so she's like killing off people they don't like and giving them money. Give them power, prestige,

whatever they desire. She's helping them get it. But at the same time, when she's just there at the carnival or you know, she's, she derives joy from the most tainest things as well. So it's like, it's a heart. It's a weird contrast to see her, like you said, you know, she's the one that's like possessing people and causing them to jump off of buildings, but then at the same time see her running and playing games at a carnival and winning a teddy bear. You're like, so cute.

The ghost just having a theme park day. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, it was a weird thing. But I liked that. I had that feeling of like, what? This is a the evil ghost. Like, what are you, why am I like, you know, enjoying that she's getting a little bit of time to like live out her little vicariously through this, you know, this person's body that she's possessing. Why am I OK with that?

She's never been chosen, right. I think that was part of her back story was that she was always this second and I think that's why. And the one time that she's chosen is. To die. To die, to die. And I'm going to be honest, I I'm not going to say I relate it to her. But I did feel some kind of way because as a as a middle child, as a second born child, it ran deep. It ran deep. I felt her. I was like, you know what, send your little sister off to. Go ahead. I'm just kidding.

I would never do that to my little sister. But no, I do. I I felt there was this, like I said, this second rightness that you felt from her. I mean, besides her entire family being just kind of like from this poor village being poverty stricken. But still she was, she was talented, she was an artist. She could draw, you know, she she had these other qualities like, OK, you know, if she could just get the chance to have those things that others have, she could be a better person

maybe, you know? Yeah, but you're right, the one time she gets chosen, it's to die. So why wouldn't she be a vengeful ghost sizing? I I mean, I I hate to say I get it, but, like, that's why she's out here. Like causing so much harm out of spite and bitterness? Exactly. And then also, she gets what she wants, right? She wants to live vicariously through these people and just take over. And get what you couldn't have.

So I've. Now that you brought that up, I let's talk about this part because I think this was something that I highlighted when I talked about this drama that bothered me a little bit. This notion that, yes, if you allow this ghost to possess you or your family, you get the opportunity to get what you want, right? And the main one is that this family wants wealth. So they allow her to possess their family and curse their family so that they can always have wealth.

My problem was that they revealed this. It's the same with our son young character and her father. And why they allowed the ghost to possess them at some point because they have a disease that's causing them to go blind slowly. So for son Young's father, who is the first person who I mean out of before her is possessed

by this ghost and killed by him. There we find out throughout the drama that he actually at some point allows her to possess him and to stay with him on purpose because he finds out that he's going blind and she promised him, hey, I'll let you, you know not go blind if you keep me around. So then and it's a hereditary disease. We find out because son Young also has this and discovers

this. So when the ghost is possessing her, she finds this out that her father was allowing the ghost to jump went to her basically for the same reason. So she had the opportunity to continue to see and not go blind. And I did not like that at all.

And I didn't like it really. I hated it because it to me it it cheapened how they it to me it compared the grandmother and her family being super evil and villainous and wanting money, money, money and wealth, wealth, wealth to someone who's actually really scared about going blind. Like that's two separate things for me. Like the reason? Well, I think that's the evilness of it.

And and I hated that. I was like, I don't like that they made our son, young character and her father turn into people that decide to keep this ghost in their life for the little period that they do because they don't wanna go blind like that. That temptation of not wanting to go blind, and I just feel like that was not in the same caliber of someone who's doing it because it. Wasn't greed. It's a different. It's not greed. It's not greed.

It's like, I'm really scared. I don't wanna go blind. So you're telling me that? OK, you won't go blind if you can stay here. Maybe. Like, I can't be mad at her. Really. I can't be mad at her father too much. But this evil grandmother who just wants to accumulate all the money in the world, that's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. Like, I didn't like that they compared those two in a way I I don't know. I didn't like the blind element. I think it's.

A part of the psychological obstacles that these characters have to overcome, right? That it's a lot about. Confronting your demons, inner demons. And I don't mean demons literally because we got to differentiate. But you know, confronting your inner demons and the things that make you afraid and coming to terms with them. And I completely agree with

that. And I but I feel like they what I think they wanted to what they should have done and I think they were supposed to do or what they were doing. But it wasn't as I think clear was like with the son young character. When we first meet her, she's struggling to make ends meet with her mom. She's like going kind of through the motions in her life and there's something very pitiful about her character and that she just feels like down on down on her look and it's like what's

the point in a way? And I think they're throughout the drama, we start to see her. I not the way, like not want to not live anymore. But remember when she like, switches places and she gets in the shadow and she's like fighting to like come out of that like it. To me that was supposed to highlight this this kind of what her she really was afraid of what she really was fighting. It wasn't that she was like, oh, I'll go blind. I think it was about this need to not think that your life

isn't worth it like you are. Your life is still worth it. Even if you're struggling to make ends meet and you're like still figuring out what you're going to do in your life and you're not the you know and when you go back to your your friends, you know the class reunion and everybody else is wealthy and off and doing well and you're not, that doesn't

mean you're less of a person. So I felt like she had a lot of other things that she was dealing with that the ghost could have exploited and it not her going. You see what I mean? I guess that's what it is.

I totally get it. And that you're right, that when she was in that Shadow Place or whatever that was other dimension that the Ghost sent her to, while she had full possession of her body for those days and she was fighting against herself, she kind of had this realization that it wasn't so much that she like. Hat was going blind. It that wasn't even the case at all. That she and those flashback scenes and stuff, she was saying that she had never lived for herself.

She had always been providing for other people on being on other people's timetable, surviving like you said. And in this fight that she's having with herself, which is really the ghost who's fighting with her, but the ghost has her face and whatever, so it's like she's fighting herself.

She realizes that she's been the issue all along and that she brought the darkness on herself, like basically gave the ghost an opening to through which to torment her like with her own insecurities and her own weaknesses. And if she decides that those aren't weaknesses and that she is going to live differently and that she has a reason to live to change her life and you know, live for herself and all that shit, that. That's enough to gain control over the ghost. Exactly.

And we get that at the very end, at the very end again. So I mean, I I, I don't know. I didn't think they needed the blind plot, basically, I don't think. The blind plot. Well, if you get some interesting scenes where she's trying to like, pass off that she's not blind, Yeah, that. I mean. So I guess it's more of a shock factor. That they wanted. I didn't need it. I didn't. And they they needed some contrived reason. For her dad. For her dad. Right. You're right. You're right.

Ghost was what the Ghost was capable of and how it was terrorizing people for him to allow this ghost into his life and to his daughter's life. Because again, he touched on the fact that he passed this ghost out like it was a fair family heirloom. He was like, here's to you, my daughter, the possession of this ghost. Did they ever say that he did that by mistake or that was No, I think it was on purpose. It was a part of big plan.

Because remember when they're in the village and she sees her daddy's ghost for like a very short period and he's apologizing to her and I think. That was the revelation was that we had to find out why he was apologizing to her and then it comes in through his back story of like how learning that it was

hereditary and things like that. I think it was his plan that in case my daughter also experiences this, I want to pass this on to her because specifically his grant her, her paternal grandmother when she handed her the, you know, the little cursed object. She's like your father wanted you to have this, like it was legit. Like your father wanted you to have this. And I don't think that was the ghost.

I think that was the grandmother really passing on what the the father wanted her to pass on. I don't know. It could have been the deal. I thought it was like he passed it on. So I I see what you're saying. I think it was him too, hearing you talk about it. What the hell is up with the mothers in this show? Every single mom, there was a problem. Yeah, OK. Her mom. There was a problem. One of my biggest issues in the beginning of this trauma was her mom, because.

Yes, her father dies and she comes to comes to son Young and says hey your father's dead we need to go to his funeral and son Young's like my and. She's like, hold on, hold on. I thought he was already dead. My already dead father is dead. What do you mean? And then the entire time, she's

not, she's not explaining this. She's not saying why she's lied to her daughter the entire time about her father being dead that she she could had a relationship with her father and she's like why wouldn't you let me know that you know none of that. And then when her when Sonya walks out of the the funeral, you know her where her her father's home with this cursed object and her mother sees her holding it and she like slaps it

out of her hand. Even then she doesn't explain like she just like slaps over her head. It's like don't touch anything in here. Half the shit that happens to her daughter is her. Thank you for me because. She never explained she had. She knew what was happening. The entire time her own mother

died because of this. Like, why wouldn't you tell your daughter her grandmother died because of this, like I. Just thought I I just, I thought that it was so weak of her to be this, like, shriveled up nervous wreck of a person that she couldn't. And she couldn't get get through her trauma enough to save her daughter's life. It made no sense, you know what I'm saying? It made no sense. Like. Pull it the fuck together. She's going to like and not forever. What the hell is that?

I know, I don't understand that. Like you ran from your husband because of this and made him like killed him off to you and your daughter because of this. And then when it comes back into your life, you don't explain it to your daughter. That logically doesn't make sense. I mean, she's being tormented, tormented by this ghost, and you're not letting her in on this at all.

She has to find everything out on her own, even when she, like, finds out that her mom lived in a town that she didn't even know she she lived in. The mom's like, are you are you there right now? Leave, leave. No explanation. Still, Still Just nothing. Nothing. So I was really annoyed with her mom. I completely agree. The mothers I. Hated. I hated were interesting. The only time that she redeemed herself was like at the end, when she immediately knew that

wasn't her daughter. Yes, she knew. She was like, that's not like. I was like, OK, OK, now you now, you know. And even when she was like being a little bit brave to some extent, despite her kind of like she has like a anxiety disorder, right? Like again, something else she layered, they had on top of these characters. So she had anxiety disorder and she was like, you know, so everybody got multiple issues. It's like, OK, not only are we like, poor and struggling, I

have an anxiety disorder. I I possess. I can't go. I can't keep my job. I possess my ghost like I cannot. It was too much. It was just too much. But yeah, I I I did. I did say, like, I like that in the end there she finally had a little burst of, like, I'm going to fight this, you know, Like, I'm not going to just allow myself to be taken down alongside my daughter because obviously she was going to let her daughter be taken down if she wasn't going to tell her what's going on.

So yeah, at the very end she had a little bit, you know, off to her step, but it took her a while. And then Hissong's grandmother, who is a living terror, she is an actual demon herself. So there's that. Called it an actual and actual like ghostly bitch because she allowed it all to happen. It sanctioned it. I think she was actually pleased when one of the victims died. Was was sacrificed. Well, didn't they show her valley, like, giggling? Yeah. Like, yeah, absolutely. She was demonic.

Demented. The exact. And actually, what's even worse? Her son. Hey, Song's father, I forget She literally let him die. Like like he was thirsty. Remember. Like something where he like, was dehydrated. He. Let him starve to death. She let her own son starve to death because she wanted this ghost to stay around. What she had the audacity to even tell? Like remember when they tricked

her into revealing the name? And she even was like, so she thinks she's talking to the ghost and she's like, I made a promise to you so I'll never tell your name. I'll never say I made a promise. You made a promise to a ghost. Got your own children, grandchildren, grandson. A ghost. Like she was. Like, I've never saw her so, like grandmotherly or motherly, except for the moment. She's like begging this ghost. Like I was. I was. I was. Are you out of your mind?

Out of your mind. She was she like, are you? Out of your mind. That's like when she was in the in the hospital room and like locked up and like the ghost comes to take care of her. I was like, go ahead, take care of her. Go ahead, take. Her like send her far away. I mean literally. Did she like jump out the window? She like. Like she. Jumped out the window. Yep, Yep, Yep. And then she uses the glass from the window as she's laying on the concrete to chop her own finger on.

Yep, that was the sign. That was the sign signal to help to find the finger. Because it wasn't her finger. It was. Uh huh. Find the other. Yeah, the ghost. It was Hanyang's finger. Because when they find her body buried in the grandmother's home, remember she's missing a finger. The the dead ghost's body is missing a finger. And they're like, you got to find that finger. That's it.

The finger. I don't know why that's funny to me, that figure, but I like no, because I did like the ending. Yeah, it was good. It was good. Her wailing as well. The screaming from the ghost, like as she's being forced to set her own finger on fire. Loved it. Loved it. So good. But I love. But I also. Love. It's so satisfying, the whole thing of like this.

Her becoming, you know, defeating the Ghost while still being not in. Yeah, still being possessed like she was still in the Shadow Place, but she was able, like I don't. Even know what that was, I don't even know what that was. But she was able to reconcile that. I have the control of over all of this. I have the control to take this ghost down, to not be possessed by this ghost anymore. And I liked all of that. At the end I thought it was a

great final scene. So not final final scene, but I final scene for the ghost. I actually like that. So I think I like just the the whole thing with the ghost. I like the the ending. I liked all of that. Yep. My gosh, Speaking of haunting of Hill House, which I'm sure a lot of people have watched that show. It's on Netflix.

It's like very well known. But anyway, because I was re watching it earlier today, I had, they said this this sentence and I was like, oh, this is so great, they said, one of the characters said in the final episode. Of haunting of Hill House. They said ghosts are guilt, ghosts are secrets, ghosts are regrets and failings. But most times a ghost is a wish, A wish. There it is. There it is. And I was like, oh, that's actually really relevant.

Yeah, to Revenant, Very. And I mean, it's exactly what Revenant was discussing. Yeah. The idea of like you holding on to that the hope A wish for something and you not having that. Are you allowing that not to or allowing that not having something to to kind of keep you? Well, yeah. That's sustaining. Yeah that is I'd like, I mean I I like what they addressed in In the Revenant. I like what they were were discussing. I like what they were really taking a look at. I appreciated it.

I really did. I just feel like they they could have done that without the ghost of the week. I agree. Did you think that Hissong's little friend was a ghost? I immediately thought that was a ghost. I. Like the kid did I yeah, it was weird that he was hanging out with the kid. I was like, why is he hanging out with a high school student? I didn't understand that. So then I was like, oh, he's not real. He's a ghost. He's seeing a ghost.

So I I didn't. I actually I ended up liking how they used his character in the in there. I didn't realize he was so he was going to be not so not evil, but like he ended up being that like a problem child and why he became this this ghost. But I thought it was unique that he stayed in his life and he kind of kept him by his side. I thought he would have kind of wanted to do away with him, but I think he felt guilt. Yeah, so that's why he kept him

around. So I I I like the ghost stories and the visually, but like it has a whole like I I feel like it's detracted. You're just blinded by a lot of death and you don't want to necessarily become desensitized. And you you are by certain point for sure you are. People jumping out of the window means nothing. By the time you see you're like, oh, there goes there's a. Ghost and there he goes. And the same thing with Kimo and his character. I didn't think that they would

kill him off. That's a very big actor for them. To Chris Brown, I will say this, I thought, I thought it was. I'm not gonna say I thought it was good that they killed him off. But I actually was like, OK, I appreciate it that they did it because I felt like it. It lit a fire under our cop, our, you know, his partner, because I feel like he was still

so because. He was almost like a non yes to the almost close to the end until that happened, you know he was fighting against it. So help him you know. And I think that he needed a white a wake up call and that was the only thing that he could because he was there when he saw this happen. So I'm like that was the only way you can believe something that's horrible is taking place in your kind of day-to-day human world. You know he had to see it for himself.

So I I didn't you know like it was huge that that killed him off. But I didn't mind it. I actually I thought it they did it. It was a good choice. I. Thought it was a good choice. Uh huh. I just realized that, I said. They Chris browned him. Do you? Do you know what I mean? Wait, they Chris browned him. What? Yeah, 'cause you said they killed him.

Earlier I invoked Chris Brown. And it's because of the movie Stomp The Oh my I I barely remember I watched that movie once the the the maybe in the theater when it dropped and then like never have seen or thought of that movie since. Are you safe to stop that yours? I actually stop the young. Oh, I haven't thought about that in years. Because that movie, first of all, I really like that movie, The second of all. And that on ironically, I like,

I like stomp the arts. So that movie is so famous. I remember people going, Oh my God, Chris Brown's. In the mind you, this was, I was in middle school. This was so many years ago before Chris Brown got cancelled. And we're like, I can't wait to go see Chris Brown in this movie. Chris Brown Canfield is like the 1st 10 minutes of the movie. Oh my goodness. I didn't know that.

I I mean, I I I didn't see the movie, but I didn't know people were like so excited to see him in it and super disappointed. I mean, I saw the movie. I was a huge Chris Brown fan even when he first gave out. So. Because he was in all the marketing and he was, people were like, you're right, he was. That's so funny. A dancing movie. And Chris Brown's in it. People were like, he gets killed off in the beginning, he said. They Chris Brown, they did not Chris Brown.

Him though, because he was in a big chunk of the drama. Come on, come on. Right he. Was he wasn't in he wasn't in the end game episodes he wasn't he got killed. He didn't get to see the end of this ghost which he had been chasing for a really long time. So you're right. That's it's kind of sad that he didn't get to see the end of this ghost. No, no. And going back to Sanyong's dad who was possessed, it looked like he was possessed when she was a child. Still when yes, yes.

So Kim Teddy's character was still like A5, like 5 years old and the dad's already possessed and it's because. So you're saying he was possessed for like 20 years? That's that's terrifying. But he is. 'Cause he only died recently. Yeah, right. And The thing is, I think there was. I guess that's why he hadn't gone blind, you know? He was like, I'm gonna keep her. I'm just gonna stop. I'm not going blind. That's why he was still able to see. But I Yeah, you're absolutely

right. Because wasn't there something about this being the second born, like the he was a like, was he afraid of, like them her getting pregnant again? Or like, I think there was something that was, that's why his wife, yeah. They didn't. They didn't like that, right? Because about the other. Child that was coming, Yeah, that was obviously born. Yeah, that he's sibling and then the baby died.

That's right. So they didn't go into detail about that, but I guess we were supposed to just chop that up to the second born thing again and him being afraid of that because is that when his wife? When did he kill his wife's mother? When did he was that? It was right after, like, she comes back from the hospital after losing. She's postpartum losing the baby. Yeah, losing the baby. And and she finds her mom at the well. The mom's like stay back, stay back, get get away.

From him, terrifying. And she kills herself, and she was touched by the evil spirit. So yeah. And he he had been possessed, yeah. But it was part of part of, I guess, the ghost wanting to. Do things for him because he overheard them talking in the hospital after she lost the baby that oh, you got to get away from him. She was like advising her daughter to leave him. Yes. And so she was like, Oh no, to leave him, you got to get, you got to go. So the ghost was like, oh

perfect. I can get more more power over him by killing his mother-in-law and and his wife leaving. So then all she had to do was stay with him and not having to worry about his wife. Yeah, she stayed with him for a long time. Yeah, she did. Yeah. The ghost was with the dad for at least 20 years. That's probably the longest. I mean, I think it makes and, but you know what? Actually that makes it. Besides the fact that you see again my other reason why I'm like him going blind, but then.

Why the urgency? But then why the urgency in the very first episode where you see the dad, like, scrambling to get in the house? Because he's tried to get rid of her at one point. Remember? Like that. Think that was his phase of trying to get rid of her? Because it was about collecting those objects and he had gotten close to it. But then she killed him right at the very end, where he hadn't finished collecting the objects, so she was always.

I see. So he was provoking her basically, yes, by trying to hear exactly. But he had her had her for a long time prior to that, though. Like, if you think about it, like, well, yeah, so but my thing is still the whole going blind thing.

It's not necessary still, because I know just you're over me. And talking about the blindness, because the whole thing is like, it makes sense that he specifically wants to keep a ghost around who's from this specific period because he is a folklore professor himself, this is of an interest to him. So it's still to him. He has motivations to kind of be digging deep into this past, this, this case, and this history of this ghost.

Like all of that is still intriguing to him enough to keep a ghost around, not him going blind. So even again, like towards the end, when he's trying to get rid of her. Why? I thought you needed her, 'cause you were going blind, you know? I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get that. I don't get it. What was his realization of? Yeah, you. I can't keep her around anymore. I need to get rid of her. What was it for him that trigger it? Uh huh. Because after 20 years, like

what's another 20? Yeah. What triggered that? Did they show us? Was it? Yeah. Him not maybe having a relationship with his family? Maybe. I don't know. Weird. They didn't really go through that. They didn't. They didn't explain that. Yeah. Or maybe I missed it. I don't know. I could have missed it. Mm hmm. Well, I Do you have anything else on your? I think we hit everything on my nose. I think we hit more. We talked on my nose more than

my nose, I think. Yeah, I think I'll say my least favorite ghost of the day story was the apartment building Ghost. Well, wasn't wasn't haunting the apartment building. It's just that everyone in the apartment building was getting fish, yes, that were possessed and. Then the fish, the fish were were killing off the owner, the new owners. It wasn't like students. I was like a like a what. It was like students, wasn't it? Like in this like apartment.

So it was a loan shark that was targeting these poor college kids that were living in one of these like shitty ass dorms which he pausing for them to study. And he was like making them sign these slave contracts in order to give them money. And then he owned an aquarium business. And so every time he signed a new contract with one of these kids, he would give them a fish. But the first girl like one of the girls. Had this possessed photograph. That was crazy.

Of the tree, that was the suicide ghosts. Yeah, the kids were hanging from. I mean, that was too much. The kid that was too much. That was terrifying. But they were like, Oh yeah, the ghosts of kids. They would hang these. They wouldn't. Oh, gosh. OK. OK, I'll get it. Afraid all over it. They would hang them. I'm getting scared. They would hang them in these in these tree. Containers on this tree and I was like, Oh my God, that is wild. And then? So this photograph was haunted.

And then she, to get rid of any evidence that she had family, ripped up the family photograph with the tree in it and fed it to the fish. The fish got possessed. Then the fish were given out to the students. That's why I was like, getting confused. I was like, this is a lot and that's what you that's why I was like there was too much ghost of the day.

There was, there was no. I mean, it was too much because that wasn't intense ghost story for it to be just smacked in the middle of this story that was already intense. We already had an intense ghost story to worry about. I didn't need it. Didn't need it. Like it didn't need it. Yeah. So that's why I'm saying, like, there was a lot of stuff that I just didn't, I didn't jive with. But I do appreciate this quote. Humans are more terrifying than ghosts. Yes. And that was, was that son

young? Yes, 'cause she. I think it, no. I think it was his, his song maybe, 'cause I remember the the song, It's episode two. Yeah, I think it's up to two. And I think it was, I can't Remember Remember when he saw. I mean, yeah, when they were basically with the young boy Ghost and how his own family was like basically had killed like it was it was horrible and so

when that. Was whole other story see with the child news and it was locked, the little girl and she was locked up. It was so, so sad. And so, like, that was a moment, I think, when they were like, this is more horrifying than a ghost. The little boy, I mean, her, her brother was trying to save his sister. Like he was a ghost trying to save his sister. Not, you know.

He basically killed himself to put, to put, to put the a spotlight on his family so that they would save the little sister who was being literally kept in like a whole room and fed scraps and just really maltreated. And I think that was another was a child's case. Huge. It was a horrible case, and I think that was another element to this story of like at the end of the day, the only reason evil ghost can even exist is because

of the evilness of humans. That's the only way that ghost came to be. And even the girl who herself becomes a ghost like she would have never been this vengeful ghost had they not wanted to. As as in the grandmother was not evil and wanted money and greed and and so she created eventual ghost like that would have never existed. So it did kind of circle back on purpose. It circled back around to like that is who that's that's the reason this even exists. It's because of evilness in

humans. It's gross. It's foul. That is actually really cool that they. I mean it's not cool but I do like that that is a big element to like ghost, like ghost stories or like stories about demons. It's like this only comes to be once something causes this, you know like this ghost is not like just created out of thin air. This I like as in this evil ghost or like this demon isn't just kind of created out of thin air. There's usually some kind of horrible back story that kind of

triggers the evil to continue. Yeah. And I think that's always interesting that when a story kind of analyzes that. So yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I forgot to ask you what You rated this show out of five Soldier bottles. So if you want to do that now, I'll give my I I think I I would have originally, I think gave it A4 like a like 4 Soldier bottles because just the performance is just so good and so strong and I love the beginning and the end so much.

But I will say that it's just too much in the middle there. That just isn't exactly what I wanted it to be. So it's like borderline like 3 1/2 Soldier Bottles. Like, I'm going to be a little rough with it. I think. Again, I struggle with ratings, so I this is really kind of arbitrary. Maybe I give it five, so do bottles. No, I yeah, I think maybe 3 1/2 I. I feel you and I'm also going to give it a 3 1/2 Soldier bottles because it's it, you know, the child abuse case, the tree and

the fish. Like all this stuff is sort of like there's more where that came from and. It's it's very convoluted and I don't know maybe if I was Korean from the homeland, I would, I would understand it better because that's my culture. I or I understand folklore, this folklore, but I but I don't. And I've watched a lot of stuff but this was very different. It was very targeted. And I'm not going to say it was a bad show. It's not a bad show. It just was not, yeah,

completely agree. And. If you're trig, I mean this is really late to be saying this, but if you're triggered by suicide, child abuse, you know all these things don't watch. But if you can stomach it, I would recommend the show. It's it's a decent ghost story. Multiple ghost stories. There is a mystery that you get to follow and you at some point you have to see the the you have to see what how Yeah, you have to the reveal of the mystery.

So I think that is enough to kind of say that it was is a good watch and then you'll get through it, you will see it to the end. But there are some points there that may take you out of it a little bit and feel a little slow. But yeah, it's worth it. It is, if you can stomach it. Thank you so much for coming on. So last minute, Lola, and being really flexible with your time. Where can people find. So I am on Instagram, Lolo pops off about K dramas and I have a website blog.

Lolo pops off about kdramas.com and of course you can find my podcast anywhere that you listen to podcast I I hope to to see you guys over on that side and over on my side and I am so grateful as always to be a guest here on day pop. I am always like the pressure is on, but I felt like it always feels like pressure because I was like, this is a bit, I'm like stepping on a big stage here and I just got to make sure I, you know, don't bomb stage. The spotlight's on.

No, But I love, love being on here with you each time, Jess. You make it so much fun that we laugh a lot. It's always a blast. So thank you for having me. Yes, I'm so glad you feel that way. This is not just. Like, there's no pressure, I swear. Like I'm in my. Yeah, right now, like all your listeners, I just want, you know that Sage. Yes.

You make it so chill, lay back when we're talking, and then I'm like, wait a second, other people are gonna hear, this is not just me and Jess chatting and having a good time. It's like other people can actually listen to us. So I remember that, like, right at the end, they're like, gosh, did I say anything weird or wrong? Offensive. Let me did I? But no. Oh my God. No, no no. You're totally good and I can't wait to have you back. Lola I and and for me to maybe

go on your own. I I do such a hard time gathering the courage to ask people to be on my podcast. But like also the scheduling is just like mayhem. So I'm always like I don't want to. You don't. You don't have to tell me how. Yes, the schedule podcast it is so worse. Yeah it's a scheduling it's it's like I don't, I don't want to like jump in when it's like a busy time for people. And then I'm like if you, I don't want you to feel pressure to say like say no if you need to.

You know I'm always like, I I'm like it's like jump roping like double Dutch like I'm like always going to do it and then I like find some way to not jump in and like so yeah I got to do I got to do it. I got to do more I got to have more guests on. I would love. I would love to have you. The guest In the meantime, go and follow Lola and listen to her podcast. She is so great and she watches so many currently airing dramas. I know you guys want me to watch every currently airing drama.

I sorry that I can't. But Lola does her. I fast. I do. Watch everything that comes out. Yeah, you're really good about that. So she's a great resource and a great friend to chat dramas with as well. So I think that's it. That's it for spooky season. Thank you for being here. And that's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambos Podcast.