Our Blues / Ep. 71

I'm Jessica and this is Tiba K Rambles, where a couple of friends review Korean dramas and welcome back to another episode. We are going to review our Blues today and for this episode I am joined by Curtis from Infatuation Podcast. Hey, Curtis, how are you? Hey, Jess, how's it going? It's going well. Welcome back. Welcome. Back, yeah. And I also have Brandon from the Poacher Playlist podcast. How are you, Brandon? I'm doing well, thank you for the invitation. It's my first time on here.

You did an episode with Jenny from Poach a Playlist a few episodes back, maybe one or two years ago. I think that was on Goblin, right? Yeah, we did Goblin and then she came back and we did your beautiful that throwback and that was a lot of fun. So I am so glad that you were keen to join for Our Blues because I'm told that you really love Our Blues. And the same goes for you, Curtis, that you are both fans of this show and could bring a lot to the table, maybe a lot of

context. And just we're glad to talk through this show. And this was my first time watching this show. So I was like, I need people who, you know, have been kind of simmering in this already and I'm super excited to get to get going on this really quick. What are you guys watching recently and what are you guys enjoying in the Asian drama world? If if you guys don't mind just kind of sharing what's on your

plate right now? Poach a playlist just finished reviewing Midnight romance in Haguan that has we ha Jun in his first leading role in a romance that was great and we are going to be wrapping up a typical family. That's a drama that me and my Co host Andy. We really like that drama for this year. I think we're going to rank it pretty well. Yeah, same. I I just finished an episode on

a or an atypical family. I loved it as well and actually currently, for better or for worse, I am watching Miss Day and Nights. Miss day and nights. Some actors from yeah, from our Blues. There's a couple actors from our Blues in there, so yeah, I won't give any opinions on that one just yet. We got a couple more weeks on that one. OK yeah, I did a big poll the other day on my Instagram stories to see what people were feeling. We are just past the halfway mark in 2024.

See what people are feeling about the best dramas of 2024. And overwhelmingly people were saying an atypical family was their favorite drama. Was the best drama of 2024, followed by Lovely No no lovely runner I think. Lovely runner, yeah. Yeah, those two were the top two of the year. Pocha Pocha approved that one. Yeah, I know, I know. So this is exciting. I can't wait to get going. But before we do, if this is your first time listening, go ahead and subscribe on your

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We are going to do our best to talk about as many as we can within a reasonable time frame because we don't we're we don't, we're not made of time. So we're going to get. Comfortable people. Yeah, so here we go then. I put together this like Frankenstein of a Netflix slash Wikipedia synopsis and here it is really quick.

Romance is sweet and bitter and life riddled with ups and downs in multiple stories about people who live and work on bustling Cheju Island. The series revolves around the sweet and bitter lives of people at the end, climax or beginning of life and depicts their stories in an omnibus format, which is basically telling stories of diverse characters that are somewhat interconnected in one way or the other. So Our Blues aired from April to June 2022.

I kind of feel that this, especially in terms of the international K drama audience, this show was underrated, flew under the radar for everybody. I think people were still reeling from 2521, which had just finished airing in this same time slot. Then Our Blues started. People were still all about 2521 and about the end famous ending on that show. And then after Our Blues finished airing, it was preceded by Alchemy of Souls, which the international audience ate up with gusto.

So. And coincidentally, both of those shows have episodes on the 10 box feed if you want to scroll back and listen to those. But I feel really badly about Our Blues, especially when it comes to its reception internationally, because I don't feel like I kind of got a chance

to really get there, you know? It's 20 episodes long, so it's a little longer than I think people maybe nowadays, especially new arcade drama fans are used to, but that is traditional format, 20 episodes long, so it's nice to see. Directed by Kim Kitay, he's directed a long list of dramas, including A Love to Kill from O Five. That's with Shimina, Worlds Within, Iris with Eve, Young Gun. When I saw Iris on there, I was like, oh. Yeah, yeah. Iris Bro Padam Padam, which is with Hanjimin.

All of these actors are in our Blues that winter. The wind blows with Choin Song and Song Akio. He won best director at the 49th Beck Song Awards on this drama. He directed It's all right, This is love from 2014, which is one of my favorite dramas. Super good drama. Secret love, moon lovers, scarlet heart Rio, which we covered at the end of last season, season 4 bed buck feed.

If you want to go back and listen to that, he covered, he directed Liv and he will be directing The Trunk, which is a Netflix show airing sometime this year with Kong Yu as the star. So that's Kim Kyute, I think very, very decorated and well regarded director. He's been around for a minute or two and he's worked with some top talent. Do you guys like this director? Do you like his stuff? I haven't watched a ton of his

stuff, to be honest. So yeah, just looking at this list, I don't think I've watched any of these all the way through. Oh, OK. Besides, besides our Blues, yeah. Unfortunately I can't say that I've seen any of these titles, but I do know that like Moon Lover, Scarlet Heart, that's super popular so that's always been on my list. I might have to check it out. OK, Godspeed.

The show Our Blues was the show Our Blues was written by Noi Kyung. She's been writing dramas since the 90s, so this is just a few of the dramas that she's written. Her beautiful story from O 4 this stars Koh Duchim. She's one of the one of the actresses in our Blues world's within Padam Padam that one of the wind blows. It's all right. This is this is love. Four of the same dramas that the director has directed. So she's worked with the director basically five times before our Blues.

And then Dear My friends from 2016, she wrote with Kim Hee JA, which is the terminal mom in our Blues. This show won best screenplay at the 53rd Bexhung Awards. So really, really decorated and and you know, she's been around for a while. Screenwriter pretty well tested, I would say. And in looking at this, I have watched Padam Padam, or at least I watched maybe like half of it. And then I kind of got a little sidetracked with another drama

or whatever. And I and I basically dropped it out of like I watched something else and then I never went back to it. But it wasn't like an intentional drop, you know what I'm saying? Like there's a difference between a life happened and I watched something else. And like, yeah, I didn't necessarily hate it. I would say that's a very spiritually, very similar to our Blues.

Not that it's the same format, omnibus format with a lot of different interconnected stories, but I would say Eben's character is very similar to the male lead in Padam Padam. So when I heard, when I saw that she had written that, I was like both of the director and writer had worked on that. I was like, oh, that makes too much sense. So if you want something along those lines, check it out. And then we're going to get into this cast.

So here we go. We're only going to we're going to talk about a handful of people in this cast at length and then. We're because there's like 50 of them. I want to get this out there. This is an All Star cast. This is a well regarded decorated cast. OK? Every one of these people has been on TV screens, has worked with each other as well as the director and the writer before, and it's all intertwined and there's a lot of history coming into the show and putting together.

This is like Avengers Assemble here and going through and making this spreadsheet, I would say for this cast felt like making before End Game. It was like, Oh my God, we had to have watched all this stuff beforehand to get like the gravity of this movie. That's what it felt like making this. My sister called it flash cards when she saw what this looked like in here, 'cause it's like their photo, the name of the character, their name, everything. So here we go.

Eviogan plays Idung Sok, a truck merchant who was born in Chechu. He has been in about 36 movies, including most recently Concrete Utopia. He's been in an emergency declaration, the Fortress. He played the T1000 in Terminator Genesis. Matt, you're already laughing Memories of the Sword from 2015, which I really liked that movie for some reason. I watched it and was like, whoa,

this is mind blowing. And I tried to get it like in my own personal collection of Blu rays, Masquerade from 2012, which is an excellent, excellent movie. It is the inspiration for the show The Crowned Clown. Again, excellent show. So a lot of movies here going even further back, I saw the Devil from 2010. I recently saw this movie. And then I did experience a little bit of Satan in this movie watching it.

He won the Day Song the grand prize in 2011 at the Beck Song Awards for his role in I Saw the Devil. Totally deserved. He was in Iris the movie. This is back when the Cage dramas. If they were so successful, they would do multiple seasons. They made a sequel. Rare. Then they would do another sequel that was a movie.

So this was where this was like the High School Musical blueprint where it was like High School Musical, High School Musical two and then High School Musical three was in theaters of theatrical release. That's Iris the movie. So other movies like Joint Security Area, Hero, Good Bad, the weird, tons of things. He's got nearly 26 credits from television. Squid Game is most recent. I think he was frontman Mr. Sunshine.

Iris again. I bring up Iris because he won Best actor at the 2010 Beck Song Awards for his role in Iris. I have to be honest, I did not finish Iris when I first watched I. Haven't seen it either. Yeah, but yeah. Love Mr. Sunshine. Love Squid Game. Yeah, he's he's classic. Yeah, he's great. Classic classic K drama and film actor. He I kind of consider him more of a film actor, but how do you guys feel about EBO Nunn?

I I just love him but. I I definitely consider him a film actor and I saw The Devil as one of my favorite horror movies. And I have a great memory. My my mom and I were visiting Korea and she was like, oh, there's a new young movie do you want to go watch? And I was like, Are you sure? She's like, yeah, it's young and we got to go watch it. But she doesn't. She didn't know what it was going to be about you. Were like 12? How old were you?

You saw this with your mom. Yeah, I was around that age. Yeah, but she, she didn't know what it was going to be about. And and Chiming Chick is one of my favorite actors and hers as well. He plays the the villain in the movie, but her, her, her, you know, her face was in her hands the entire time. But I loved it. I thought it was great. Oh God it's so concerning like the whole movie is. Yeah.

Pins and needles. Anyway, highly recommend, definitely highly recommend it. And actually I have a a poll up on the on the Patreon feed because there's a bunch of movies that I've I'm looking to cover maybe, but I can't cover them all for spooky season, which is coming up really fast. And that's one of the movies that's on there. I don't know if people realize like what it is. And I'm really terrified to rewatch it, but I'll do it. I'll do it for the pod. You know what I'm saying?

Like I'll brave it again. I'll do it for the pod. So his mother in the show is played by Kim. Hey JA, she plays Kangok Thong is the name of her character. This woman is prolific. She's the first and only person to have won the Tea Song four times at the Back Song Arts Awards in 7989, 2009 and 20/19. She was on a recurring Almost Like Days of Our Lives, but the show was called Country Diaries in which she appeared for 22 years.

And this is notable because it made her a household name and it cemented her image among the South Korean audience as an iconic, unconditionally loving and self sacrificing mother. Which comes into play because Our Blues that is called into question that whole persona that she has built over the course of her career playing amazing strong mothers.

She's been in five move only 5 movies and one of them is mother from 2009. This is a very famous Bong Joon Ho movie that Bong Joon Ho like famously was like I wouldn't have created like I went after her to play this character and it took years for her to agree to do it. And I wouldn't have done it if it if she didn't play the title character. And she was the first because of this movie. She was the first actress to be named best actress by the LA Film Critics Association.

It was so impactful I'd highly recommend watching it. Plus one bin plays her son in the movie. She's been in 90 plus TV dramas. If you if you look online I think Wikipedia has it all. Asian Wiki doesn't have it all, but she's been acting since the 60s and some things I know her from are Princess Hours is the number one thing that I know her from. She's the Queen Mother. That's 2006. I loved her in that.

I thought she was so precious and she's been in things like Dear My Friends from 2016 and then she was in The Light in Your Eyes in 2019 with Hanji Min. Also in our Blues. She won the grand prize, the song for this role that she did in The Light in Your Eyes at the 55th Bexhang Awards. So she is really, really decorated, really well known and I don't think international audiences necessarily get the the big thing of putting her in this role opposite Ebiogan. Yeah, definitely not in this

role. Definitely not Mom of the Year. For this. Character that she's playing, but yeah, she's great in this, you know, you feel for her. Yeah, she does a lot to you in this in this one. She does a lot to you exactly like she manhandles us. She, she will make you feel, yeah. She will make you feel something, yeah. Yeah, So following her up, we got Shin Mina. She plays Min so Na, a single parent with a child who came to Jeju and works with Yi Dong Sok. I don't think that's necessarily

right. That's one like Wikipedia, but let's keep it vague. That's fine. That's fine, fine. She's been in 15 movies, including A Bittersweet Life from 2005. This is a reunion for her and EB Yungun because EB Yungun and her starred in A Bittersweet Life together. Yes, so very famously. And then she's also been in 15 TV shows. Everyone knows her from hometown Cha Cha Cha. In 2021, that was a beloved

pandemic show. She's in chief of staff seasons 1:00 and 2:00 Tomorrow with You, Oh my Venus Arang and the Magistrate. My girlfriend is a Kumio, so on and so forth, but she's had a very long career. She's household name as well, and she famously has also dated chemo bin for I don't know how long. I really don't know how long they've been dating, but it's been a really long time. A long time. Yeah, maybe close to a decade that they've been dating. So what do you guys feel about Shimena?

Have you guys seen Bittersweet Life? That was one of the first EB on the movies I've ever seen, no? Kidding. At the time, I didn't know who she was. I knew who, you know, I was just discovering him. But after I rewatched it and I was like, oh, that's Shimena. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. You know, I think she's fantastic. She's great in this role too. We'll talk about it, but yeah, she stole this drama for me. Like she really cared. Really.

Oh, that's so nice to hear. So we're going to follow her with E Chungun, who plays Chunguni, the owner of a fish store who has bubbly charm. I didn't write that part. So she's been in 34 movies, including her first movie role was in Mother 2009 with, yeah, the same Fung Jun Ho movie. She was I Chung's relative. I don't know, some bit part in there, I guess. And then she's been in the wailing from 2016. She plays talkies wife.

Listen, the wailing. I had to like sit down and like practice meditative breathing after that. Like that movie put me in a state. I don't know why I decided to watch horror movies at like midnight when I'm trying to fall asleep. I'm like, yeah, I can press play. I'm like, these are really scary movies and think I'm going to sleep well tonight. And I don't know what possesses me to do this, but I'm not. It's not just once or twice that

I've done this. And this one I think I did in December. I watched The Wailing and I had I, I was wrecked. I mean crazy eyes wrecked after that one I watched. So then she's also been in Okja from 2017. Do you guys remember Okja? Of course, Bung Jung Ho, right? Yeah, yeah. She's in Battleship Island in from 2017, a taxi driver and of course, Parasite from 2019. They did her dirty with a Peach, Peach fuzz in that movie. She's been.

Yeah, she's been in 43 TV shows. I can't tell you what they all are. We'd be here all day. But some of them include Weightlifting Ferry Kimbukchu from 20/16/2017 with Jong Nani from the Swag crew. They are both in our Blues. She was in Tomorrow with you alongside She Nina Fight for My way while You Were sleeping. Mr. Sunshine alongside Yves Yungun.

She's been in familiar wife the light in your eyes both with Han Ji Min and Kim Kim Hijab when the camellia blooms with Kole Duchim. Like all these all these people have worked together or have like been in the same shows together. Juvenile justice from 2022. She's been in daily dose of sunshine and most recently Curtis Miss Night and day from this year, which I think is currently airing. Yeah, yes.

So she's had a very illustrious, long, long life, as you know, people's mothers, people's aunts. And I think she's finally getting the the roles that I would love to see her in that I'm really satisfied seeing her in. And I love her as an actress. I always perk up when I see her in a project. Yeah, she's, she's got a toughness to her, but a warmth and silliness. Yeah, she's she's got a really wide range. She's fantastic in this one too.

Yes. So one person we wanted to shout out as well was Chasungun, who plays Hansu, and he's related to her story. He returns to the hometown early on in the show. He's like in the first three episodes, basically, and he masquerades as a perfect urban man. And he is then his first love.

He's been in like 30 movies and 14 TV shows, including A Korean Odyssey and The Greatest Love. I remember seeing him in The Greatest Love and I was like, Oh my God, it's that ridiculous guy from The Greatest Love when I saw him in our Blues. He's quite famous in Korea. So how do you guys feel about this guy? Did you have have you guys seen him in other things? Oh, yeah, he's, he's really famous in Korea 'cause he also is a model.

I mean, if you just, I mean, just clearly look at him see like Holly is. Yeah. But I, some of my favorite movies recently have him. So Night in Paradise, he plays an amazing gangster in that a really fun action series called Tokjun, also known as Believer. He was in the first and second of those. And then there was another movie recently called Sinkhole, where he plays a great character in that movie as well. So he is. He's a bona fide movie star. He's a movie star. Yeah, Yeah.

So to follow him up, we got Kimo Bin. This was oh, he plays PAC Jung Joon, a captain with a direct and warm nature. This is this is his comeback descriptions. I know these descriptions. His comeback show since he was diagnosed with nasopharyngeal cancer sometime in 2017, which was a bombshell back after uncontrollably fond in 2016 came out. Then it was revealed that he was struggling, had been diagnosed with cancer and he was going to be taking a prolonged break from

acting. So this is his comeback. This was he hadn't done anything since 2016, so this was a big deal for Kim Woobin to reappear and be healthy and look great and everyone was happy to see him in a show with Shin Min now, which was is his long time love. They were not playing lovers in our Blues and you might recognize him as well from the airs in 2013. We have an episode on the airs as well on the Timber Feed if you want to scroll back and listen. So that that was fun.

He's been in Gentlemen's Dignity and most recently he was in Black Knight on Netflix show from 2023. So Kimo Bin, I think everyone loves Kimo Bin, but he doesn't have a long resume like other actors and actresses on that we've discussed so far that we've covered so far, Yeah, yeah. Shoulders for days though, like shoulders from it was coast to coast on this guy. Yeah, he's pretty tall looking and got a good smile on him. And yeah, people seem to really enjoy Kimovin, but.

Why not? Yeah. Why not Sure. Sure, I think it. Wait, is he the last one? I think. He's yeah. I think we better. The audience out there was like, Oh my gosh. That we have agreed to discuss at length. OK. There are many, many more. No, there's way more where that came from everybody, but we're just. Don't mention them. Yeah. What did you guys think of our Blues when you first watched it? And if you rewatched it, how did you guys feel after the rewatch this time around?

Yeah, I agree with you, Jess, that this flew under the radar from me. I didn't pick it up as it aired. I picked it up maybe a year later, I think cuz Brandon recommended it to me. He Brandon said that he really loved this one and I should check it out. And I was like, well, if Brandon says I should check it out, I should watch it. And so I started it and yeah, I love this kind of drama. I love ensemble casts.

I love intertwined stories. I think it may be like we just talked about the cast and there's a lot of stars in it, but the stars are solid and they're prolific, but they're not necessarily the kind of stars that you say, oh, I have to watch that drama because so and so is in it.

Like, I don't think for me at least, there's that person for me that makes me say, oh, I have to watch that drama because so and so is in it. But once you get started it, it just sucks you in. The storytelling is fantastic. Yeah. So I, I, I didn't notice it right away, but yeah, I picked it up. It's kind of later after, after hearing other people talk about it. So it's kind of one of those dramas, I think. And you liked it? Absolutely. I liked it. Yeah. OK.

I'll talk to you more when we get to the ratings. I'll talk to you more when we. Get to OK, OK, OK. So, Brandon, let me know what do you think of the show? Yeah, so for poach a playlist, we we actually picked this title up. So we watched it from the first day that it came out. And for me, you know, IB young Hon is one of the greatest actors. So there was no way that we weren't going to pick this up.

I mean, this was his venture back into another K drama and the ensemble cast, as Curtis mentioned, really drew me in. I loved the format where it's a it's set in Chejo and you have different vignettes, like every two episodes is set on a different relationship and it's all intertwined. It's kind of like a anthology and it all kind of ends perfectly and it just tells this phenomenal story of all of these great characters played by wonderful actors and actresses.

I mean, what's not to like for a drama like this? It made me laugh. It made Jenny cry. There's I don't want to misspeak, but I think this might be one of the dramas that Jenny and I go back to the most. And it's for specific scenes. Jenny and I will say, Oh my God, remember that one scene from our Blues off? We have to go turn it on. And we'll just like, Fast forward to that one scene and we're like, oh, this is an amazing, amazing. This is a masterpiece.

And we'll just cycle through that every once in a while. Yeah, I so I didn't pick it up in 2022 when it aired and it really had nothing to do with anything. Like I was just watching other things and watching things for the podcast as well. So, and I have to say, slice of life is not my bag. It takes a lot for me to think, oh, I need to watch this slice of life show and I need to watch

it right now. Slice of live shows have a long shelf life and so to me, it's never, there's never a sense of urgency to watch it. And for some reason, like I just never gravitate towards slice of live shows. It's takes something really special to drag me in and hold my attention. And for some I really enjoy it and for others I I don't like for famous ones too. What's a famous slice of life like?

The Reply series is a really famous slice of life set of trio of shows and for those I only like one of them. And the most famous one that everyone raves about. I don't really enjoy it that much. It was not an enjoyable experience to watch it. So if there was any hype around our Blues I didn't hear it. And if if there was anybody speaking nice things about it, I was like, OK, another good show that I have to put on my extensive watch list of like, hundreds of shows at this point.

Like, it's take a number. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't until this, you know, late last year when I was putting together the lineup that I was like, you know what, I kind of do want to press play on our Blues 'cause I took a closer look at the cast and I was like, you know what, I kind of I'm feeling it. I was in the mood. I've said this before, I'm a mood watcher.

And later on, after I had already put it on the docket for season five of Tabak, I saw a scene of Shimena in the show and I was like, Oh my God, thank God. I'm already planning on watching this show because this scene is tremendous. And I won't say what it is.

I will, I'll say what it is in spoilers, but I was like taken aback by the incredible depth of the scene and the way it was acted and the incredible cruelty from some of the character, the other character that was playing, playing the scene with her and the subject matter of what the character was, what her character was going through. And I was like, well, shit, if that's one character and there's a whole plethora of characters that the show is about, then absolutely like, sign me up.

Because I run the risk of getting bored when there's so many characters and it's an ensemble cast. I don't want to be in it for like one or two people. And then the rest I'm kind of like, oh, OK, whatever, that's a fine story. I felt like every story had merit. Every story was important, every storyline was interesting. And even though some are more like favorites definitely and maybe some made me cry and others didn't, but overall I felt like the stories and the

show was super well done. I thought it was brilliant and I had a wonderful time. I appreciated getting to know the characters like I was at the end of the show. I was like, it was an honor to like watch this show and experience this little corner of Teju and, you know, be in this in their little slice of life, you know, and I think that's the

goal of slice of life. And maybe I'm like, I have too high of a standard for a slice of life where I like want to be so immersed and so honored and in love with every character. Even if I don't like the character, I'm like, I'm happy to be here and watching your story. You know what I'm saying? That so many don't meet my standard and I just get bored or I check out at some point and this one exceeded my expectations. So from everything like from the way it was shot, it was

stunning. The location, the vistas, everything about Cheju was so beautifully captured. The music was great, even the stuff that wasn't OST, it was very ratatouille, French music, cooking, playlist type music that was playing and I was like, this is right up my frickin alley. The way it was shot again, like cool handheld shots. They were kind of taking some risks, like they were shots of being in the passenger seat POV

alongside characters. Someone opens a door and the camera follows them through the door and stuff like that is really immersive and makes you feel like you're just a family on the wall versus stuff that's a little more static or, you know, immovable things that feel a little more staged. And this felt like you were in it in the action with them and walking through the door with them, going into their house with them, getting in the car with them and things like that.

Really, you know, if you're not paying attention, you you just feel the effects of it. But that is really difficult to do, right? Like technically difficult to do over and over again for 20 episodes over so many different stories. So really appreciated that attention to detail in the cinematography and I the acting was so top notch. You know, we have already gone through a handful of actors, but there's even more that we didn't go through their phommography and discuss them at length.

But like, honestly, it is a feat just to assemble this amount of talent. Yeah, no weak links at all. No weak links and it's all good. Everyone is solid. Everyone is solid and they covered a lot of themes that K dramas just don't tend to do things. Themes about, you know, disability, themes about mental illness, mental health, fractured relationships between elderly parents, you know, mother and son and teen pregnancy. Like, you name it, it's in this show and they handle it with care.

So all that just to say it was a great experience and they they exceeded my expectation. It was really good, really good. Held my attention. Do you recommend this to everyone? Yeah, yeah, I think I would. I mean, caveat not if you're not a slice of life person, if you maybe don't like small town shows, if you've watched a few and you're like, I'm not a small town person. Like take me back to Seoul, maybe don't watch the show. Like sorry to say, like this is not said in the big city.

Let me see, if you're not a fan of anthologies and that sort of storytelling, perhaps this isn't the show for you. And especially this one set up per episode. So each episode is focused on a different character and their journey and it pushes their story forward a little more each episode. You'll know who it is the story is about because it is named. This episode title is the characters names. If that's not your bag, perhaps don't watch. So these are very specific, like

caveats. Don't watch if you don't like this sort of thing. But overall I think that it's a lovely show, really relaxing at a lot of points and a really stressful in a lot of points. So something for everybody. Yeah, not a light watch. Definitely one that you have to kind of be in the in the mood for and ready for. There's not that one romances several love story arcs, but some of them are messy and there's a lot of messiness, a lot of sadness in this. There's a lot of sad, the themes

of loss. And you know, if you're a person that wants instant gratification in your K dramas, this isn't the K drama for you because you're not going to get the perfect love story that's A to B to C You're going to get A to C, maybe to D. To gamma you. Know what I'm saying? Like it like skips around and that's how life is like. You don't get easily digestible

content in this. Yeah. So in that case, if you're if you're looking for that and you want that in this Seaside K drama, then no, like that's not what this is. Yeah, I mean, it's intimidating too. Like if you look at 20 episodes, like I don't think if I saw it, I don't know if I would turn it on right away. Like, oh, twenty episodes, that's a lot. But there are no wasted episodes. How long did it take you guys to

get through the 20 episodes? Was it easy to binge or did you find yourself needing to just take some breaks and pauses because of how heavy some of the subject matter was? Good question. I think my wife and I did in about two weeks, I think. So we didn't power through it. We, we moved pretty steadily. But you know, one a day, maybe two a day. I'm not going to do six in a row, you know, something like that.

Yeah, I did the same thing. And that was mostly because I was working through holiday weekends, family visits, and I could do two to three a day. And then I would do no episodes for like 3 days and then I would come in and do one episode and then two episodes and so on and so forth. So it was really herky jerky my watching, but theoretically, I could get through multiple episodes before I got really sleepy and then had to like, actually go to sleep.

But yeah, I think it was really easy for me to watch the episodes. I didn't feel like any of them were a chore at all. And even when I got through a few episodes that were about a favorite character, I really resonated with that storyline. And then the next episode is something new, a new storyline, and we're pushing something else forward. I was like, oh, let's let's look at this, let's see this new thing now. And I was very open to the other stories.

And that's something that I think is a testament to the writing. It's a testament to the the acting and the way that the ensemble cast has so much chemistry. And even if you're seeing this character's story, you've already seen that character, like throughout the other episodes. And now you're focusing on like, what's their beef? What is their deal? Why? Why are they mad? Why are they sad? Why are they whatever? Why are they the way they are?

And it just goes to show that I think in my mind, you have to have good writing, then a good cast, and then everything flows from there. Yeah, yeah, I agree. This drama was nominated for a Three Pics Song Awards Best drama, Best director and best Actor for EB Young. I was taken aback that he didn't win, but I know. Yeah, but it's OK. This OST. What did you guys think of this OST? I mean, as a big BTS fan, I had to support Chimin, who has a great song on here. I feel bad.

I always forget the other singer on that song because it's it's like a duet. Oh yeah. But I I do know. That Chimin is on there Ha Song Moon is the other singer on the song which is called With You. Yep, and I think some of the Espa girls did a song on this as well. But overall the soundtrack really fits this Teju vibe and it's out of some of the dramas that we've seen in the past. I listened to this OST. Maybe top three, Top five most listen.

Oh my gosh, that's so cool. So I forgot that Chimin was on the OST because I had in the back of mine, I was like, there was an OST that Chimin was on and everyone was really excited about it. And then the first time I heard the actual song was in the context of the show. And I'm watching it and I hear Chimin's voice and I'm like,

holy shit. I think this is the show that he did the OST on. And it was like making connections, but it was like really delayed connect connections, you know what I'm saying? Like, if I was a true BTS fan, I would know exactly like which show he was doing this for and what the song was. I would have already heard the song in its entirety and all this stuff. But yeah, I really enjoyed this OSC as well. All the songs are really good. You have familiar, like, faces, so to speak, on the OSC.

You have like Davici is on here at the Yon Mellow Man Stacy Punch Highs is on here. Some of the if you look up these artists, you'll be like, Oh my God, I love this OSC from XYZ other show. So these are really comforting sort of artists that provided a wonderful soundtrack to art Blues and I thought kept kept thinking over and over, this is a really good OSD. Like I got to add some of these

songs when I get done with this. I got to circle back on this OSD and add these songs to my playlist for sure. Yeah. Is there anything else you guys wanted to talk about before we get into the spoiler section 'cause we're going to give our scores and then spoiler section but. I'm ready to rock'n'roll. OK, let's do it. Let's do it. OK, so before we get into the spoiler section, what would you give our Blues out of fives? Hold your bottles.

Five being the best and one or zero being like terrible. I would give it like 4.5 out of five, yeah, 4.5 out of five. Yeah. All right, Curtis. All right, You know, I'm. I'm going to give it. I'm going to give it five out of five. It's on my it's on my Mount Rushmore. Wait, wait, wait. It's on my downplay because I asked you earlier, you didn't say if you liked it. And then I asked you, did you like it?

And you were like, yeah, yeah. And then you come in hot with a 5 out of five soldier bottles like you like. To you got to add some dramas. We need some tension. We need some tension here. No, I I would put it on my Mount Rushmore. I would say, you know, top five, top four, top five drama for me. Like I really, I, I liked it. I liked everything about it. So I would put it up there. Definitely. I've only watched it twice. I could I could watch it a few more times.

There's so much going on. So I would again, I don't know, like it took me a while to recommend it to my wife, but we sat down and we started watching it and, and she loved it as well. It's, it's a slow burn, but it's such a good burn, you know, so it's so like heartwarming isn't the right, it's just, it just hits you, you know, hits you in in some good places. So I I would give it a high

rating. I think my .5 deduction is just for some of the storylines that I didn't care that much for, but others I absolutely loved. And so I think that's why I gave it a .5 deduction. But Curtis, I'm happy that a wreck that I gave you made it to your Mount Rushmore. That makes me very happy. Yeah, this is full circle because Brandon recommended our Blues to you, Curtis, and then I think at some point you recommended it to me and then it

was floating in the ether. And then I'm sure that that played into my decision. She'll be finally like, hey, I need to watch our Blues. So wow, we're just influencing each other is what I'm saying. Well, where do you put it? You haven't given us your number yet. I think my number is 4.5, maybe five out of five because I loved it. It was, it was really a solid show. I had almost nothing. There's I can't think of anything bad to say about it.

It's not, it's not, it's not worth like deducting anything. Like, I don't know. There are some storylines that after seeing the whole body of work, I'm like, OK, that wasn't my favorite. But still in the moment I was like, oh, this is really hitting me like in I don't know. I was still like, it's deep and it's real when I was in it and now after seeing it and I was like, all right, that's so good. It's up. Worth deducting anything. I don't know. I don't know.

Five out of five. We'll just give it five out of five, four and a half, five and five and a five out of five soldier bottles. We are going to get into spoilers right after this. Excuse me, I can't try. I can't try, you know. I have no tingles. Oh, sorry. This crossing shit. What? All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, so anything goes. We are going to spoil the storylines in our Blues. If you want to preserve your first watch of our Blues, then

stop listening. Watch our Blues and come back. But if you don't care, they keep listening. I think the storyline that nobody particularly likes, for lack of a better word, is the first one, the first three episodes. Am I correct in thinking that that's Unni and Hansu's story? Is that right? I mean, you need it. You need it there to set up the relationships between the other townsfolk. Yeah, yeah. Don't love the actual story.

You need all the periphery things and how she interacts with everybody and how she's sort of like the backbone of the town financially because she owns this very successful business. She owns buildings, and she's a very wealthy woman who is still on that grind, you know what I'm saying? Like, it also sets up her character, her persona. But it is a reunion of first loves. And you get Han Soo, who's back

in the mix. And I for sure thought he was going to be a bigger part of the show, like he was going to continue living in church. Didn't happen, no. He makes 15 minute appearance at the end. Yeah, they like brought him back for the final lap and I was like, oh, just leave him where he was. Like, he didn't even need to be back here in the episode. 20 He didn't need that, Yeah. But I did like the old, like he's an old banker, burned out, exhausted with life.

And they had the scene on the beach where he's reminiscing on their golden youth, and he's overwhelmed with nostalgia. And he runs into the water and floats next to his teenage self, who is so young and carefree. And that visual and the the juxtaposition of his younger self to his current self was something like, I was like, there's something in that. And I really felt that where maybe people can relate to that, where you feel like life has just beat you down.

And if you look back on your life and you look back on your youth, you, you miss who you used to be, that naive person who wasn't concerned with working, wasn't concerned with responsibilities, wasn't exhausted all the time, wasn't in debt, so on and so forth. The list goes on. So that part of their story resonated with me. And of course, like the way that it plays out was really

heartbreaking. Did you guys like feel any type of way about it or was it just me that it was like kind of in my fields the first three episodes? I thought it was an important story to set the stage for the village and all the characters. I was just bummed because I really like that actor and I thought it would be interesting if he was a recurring member across the other episodes. We really don't see him after Episode 3 until the the last episode. I think when they're playing the

friendly soccer game. I think it was a soccer game. It was like a field day that they had. I, I don't even know where they're playing against, like other village people that weren't in the in the ensemble cast. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. I grew to love when he's character across the the episodes and I really wanted her to have some type of love line later on and I was shocked that they didn't give her one.

So then I think back and I'm like, oh, it would have been great if she could kind of have some relationship with her first love, but obviously it doesn't work out like that. But I was kind of bummed for in here as well. Yeah, I was so bummed for her. I was so bummed for her, especially when she's talking to him like her first love Han SU about how she's really hesitant to go on 1st dates and stuff like that. She says I think I'm turning

into an awful person. I measure the pros and cons even when it comes to love. I'm a horrible person who only cares about my interests. I I think I'll die alone like she's she's so hurt by the fact that she might die alone because she has all of these conditions right?

Like for falling in love that she says to him, she rejects people because maybe the guy is sick or he's taking care of someone who's sick and that means that he wants a caregiver wife or he's just interested in me because I'm rich, he's after my wealth or he's the eldest son who has to care for his aging parents. That'll def she'll definitely rejected because that responsibility and burden as she sees it would likely fall on her and put a strain on her and

their brand new marriage. So all of these things, the, the responsibility and exhaustion of life and the, all of these societal expectations of women especially, she's like, I don't know. I don't want to fucking deal with that. Like I'm an independent lady. I have my own income, I'm wealthy. I don't need a man. And like, how's he going to make my life better? Basically? I don't want him to make my life worse. And it's like a I'm like, this is serious.

Like I don't know how you guys felt about it, but I was like, she's she's preaching something good right now. Like, I don't know. It was, it was a very real lament, I think for her because she she was feeling like she was too picky. But I'm like, you can afford to be picky. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, it was heartbreaking to to see that little story play out, but then we get to, I think it's no, we don't get to Shin Mina yet, it's Yong Oak and Jong UN story do what did you guys

think of this story? Wait, refresh my memory on. This So Yong Oak is Hanjiman. She is the Oh yeah, OK, younger hanyo. Yeah, let's give her a nickname. So like she has the sister with the with Down syndrome. I don't know a nickname, Brandon, you got a nickname, but. Just call her Hanyo. Hanyo. Hanyo, OK, the young hanyo. So it's her and Chong Joon Kimobin's character. OK, yeah, it's a it's a cute love story.

I mean, it's again, there's it's what I love about this drama is that none of this is super clean. Everyone's, everyone's got some stuff, you know, everyone's got some history, some baggage, secrets. And and yet there's this, there's a love story brewing throughout the whole drama between these two. And you know, he comes through and he's as solid as you can be, you know, basically loving her even through her warts and her flaws. And she's a great character.

You know, like she I think she shows some depth in her acting ability as well as the way they wrote her. Like she's got some real depth to her. And I just, yeah, I like this is my second favorite love story in this draw. Second favorite, OK, so we'll well, I'm sure we'll get to the your first favorite at some. Point. So this story was difficult for me, I think because I wanted them to get together. Obviously, I really loved their romance especially.

There was such such an effortlessness when they showed them together, like especially after like they got together and started their relationship. Their little vignettes and montages of them spending time together and watching TV and, you know, laughing together and things like that, that I was like, that's a real relationship. Like what is where is Shimena? Because that looks real. I was convinced acting is is incredible in this.

So I was like taken aback completely because they sold me on this relationship and their their love, right? That she's catching feelings and he was had already caught feelings like a long time ago. But he like initially this was funny to me initially. He's concerned about her body count and he writes down in his in his bus. Can I date a woman who's already been in so many relationships and all she had shared with him was that she had two past

relationships. At this point she just says that there's two past, she has two exes, that he's as tall as one of her exes, and then there's another ex in the mix. 2 guys and I go, my guy, it's two exes. What are you talking so many Like he has made this story up in his mind that she's got like all of these. Guys, they kind of made her. Right, right. They kind of made her out to be a tease though, you know, like she was teasing with that other captain and yes. I wanted to get your.

Perspective. It made him wonder. It made him wonder. Right. I wanted to get your perspective on this. Because the other captain, who was problematic by the way, she goes out with him when she goes dancing or something with him. And that escalates, 'cause that guy thinks he has some sort of claim like to her because she went out with him. They have a drunk night out. I have in my notes as the ugly captain, That's my nickname for that guy, the ugly captain.

And he starts, he's drunk and he starts demanding they go to a motel and they she won't, he won't take no for an answer. What do you guys think about this whole situation? Because she is just, she's like deflecting, deflecting the whole time and trying to defuse the situation versus outright telling him, no, we're never going to go out. And I think she reads that drunk captain way better than anybody else in the cap in the town does.

And she's like, he's good for a good time, but not for anything else. And I want to do what I want to do. And you know, that's that I saw there's I have a hiccup here with like calling her a tease necessarily because the show wants us to think she's a tease, you know what I'm saying? But like, all she did was go dancing with him. Maybe it's my Western lens. I think it's a bit of the, I think it's a bit of the Western lens as well. But you know, Korea is obviously

more conservative. But when I was watching the show, in my head, I was thinking Yongl could have been a little bit more clear and a little bit more transparent on certain things. Obviously, she doesn't have to reveal anything she doesn't want to reveal, especially about her younger sister. But I just felt like she could have always kind of put some of the rumors down easily if she chose to. But she would always stay quiet.

She would always act alone. I think if I'm remembering correctly, she she acts alone in one scene, which then puts some of the other hanyas in jeopardy I think if I'm remembering that correctly. Yeah, yeah. She starts harvesting. What is it? She starts. They're supposed to resurface every time they get something. They've harvest something. They get one thing and they're supposed to come up for for air. And The thing is, they're diving.

They're not diving like 10 feet, they're diving 60 plus feet in the water. That's six stories down. So when they're telling her, hey, you need to do this, this is our procedure. This is our workflow, so to speak. And you're staying down longer just to grab more mollusks and, and, and sea creatures down there. You're harvesting more than one thing at a time. It's putting you at risk because we're supposed to do this together.

We're in it all together. And your partner and you are supposed to keep an eye on each other. And if one person is 60 something plus feet above you catching a breath, she can't save you if anything goes wrong on the bottom of the ocean floor, is what they're saying. And so they're saying, they kept saying she was greedy.

Right, so I think I think some of her actions definitely made her image in the village kind of worse than it really needed to be. I also don't mind her relationship with the The Ugly Captain as you call him because the scenes with Ki Mubin's character POC Jung Jun and the Ugly Captain were some comedic gold scenes so I didn't mind it.

Yeah, like, you kind of want them to butt heads if only to see Kimu Bin, like stand tall next to this dude who thinks he's hot shit and it's funny, like just anyway. And then he like, busts him for drunk driving. Like he's a mess. Like, guy is a mess anyway. But the T the tease thing, I had a real hiccup with that.

It was everything else. About her, that she was really mysterious and kept up that mystery and didn't set any record straight, was content to like not clear any error when people were bad mouthing her and spreading rumors about her. And even though she was telling the truth about her parents, yes, they were artists, yes, they lived here, yes they did this as they own some sort of thing. All of these individual things were true at one point in her

life. Everyone took it to mean she's telling three different separate stories. She's lying to all of us because all of these three things can be true. And I also thought the villagers were just. So I guess this goes into like the village as a whole was so simple minded, right? Like they can't think to themselves, hey, she just wants her privacy like she's entitled to.

Like she doesn't have to share who her parents are, what her parents do, who keeps calling her all the time while she's out at sea harvesting. Like it's not your business, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, well, they set

her. They, like you said, they, they wrote her a certain way, 'cause there's that one scene, I think the first time we see her, they're heading out to sea on Wubin's boat, you know, and she's waving to ugly captain and like, I love you, you know, like she's yelling to his boat and waving to. She's just waving. And super. They meet up and sit to. See him and everyone's like. Yeah, looking at her like, what is she doing? What is she doing?

And then at the bar, I mean, at, at the, at the little restaurant that she helps out at too, you know, he comes in there and she's, she's a little friendly, you know, not not being scandalous or anything. That's what I need. I know I. Know but but you know, in a small town where everyone's in everyone's business they're kind of setting this up you know this is her this is her role of in.

The town yeah. So, yeah, so we get this girl and I think I was on her side, even though like she has a very and I have to preface this by saying this actress, I I like her, but I don't like her, if that makes any sense. Handyman ever since 1 spring night, I'm kind of like about her because she was mean to a single dad who's a very precious, like kind soft hearted person and she's being really wishy washy with that with that character. And I was like, why? Why is she giving this guy the

run around? And so I dropped that show because of her, the way she played that that character in particular was so grinding. And I've never recovered from from that character. And this character that she plays in our Blues is more of that side of Hunji Min, right, where she is a slippery character, right? You kind of can't get a read on her sometimes.

And that that aspect of her, it kind of spirals into this relationship that she this really fraught relationship that she has with her twin sister, the sister with Down syndrome. And it was at this point that I thought this story got way more complex in a way that no other K drama I've seen has done, where you have a, first of all, an actress with downs. Yeah. And even the younger version, like, they had some flashbacks and stuff.

And even the younger version of that sister was another actress, a younger actress with Downs. And I was like, this is amazing. This is so great. Very unique and groundbreaking to me. And this relationship is so complicated. I don't know if you guys have ever done any caregiving for someone who's sickly or or mentally incapacitated in any way, but I have. And so this relationship, I was like, it was like 2 halves of me pulling at each other like taffy.

Did you guys like feel this way at all with this relationship? Yeah, it, I've done a little caregiving and it it's tough. It takes a toll on you in so many ways, you know, financially, physically, especially emotionally. And, you know, the idea of her being out of town, you know, while her sister is on, on the mainland is, is complicated, right? Like she needs her space, she needs to live her life. But there's this constant drain on her coming from the mainland. And yeah, it's tough.

That was, it was rough. It's so well done. Like, I don't, I didn't think I would like it. You know, when they first revealed it, I was like, I don't know if this is going to go over well because you have a real act. You have a real person who's not acting necessarily in some of the things that she was going through, you know, and, and she was, she was great. And that the way they handled it was beautiful and heartbreaking and but endearing at the same time.

So yeah, I got super complicated. You really felt for her at that point and it was really good. Yeah. How did you feel about it, Brandon? I thought it was, I think you mentioned it in the beginning. The, the, the story was delicately told. And you know, I can't say that I have experience being a caregiver, but I just can only imagine the amount of stress that it must weigh on you.

And it kind of goes to show why Young Oak was so focused on trying to, I don't know, make as much money as she could, even though that meant she wouldn't get along with the other hanyas. It's because she has to care for her younger sister. And I thought that it was a great love story between Young Oak and Chung Jun. And one thing that I can't get out of my head was this innocent scene. I think when Chung Jun first meets her sister, I don't even think he realizes what Down syndrome even is.

And so it was like a learning experience for him in a very innocent way. I thought that was great. So it was very educational as well. So overall, I thought it was a great segment. Yeah, I thought they really went there. It was really hard to watch in a lot of places, especially when she is being super harsh to her sister and you can tell that she just doesn't want to be around her. She wants almost nothing to do with her.

And there is this resentment, this deep resentment there, and there's also this deep love there. And these things, these duality that's within this character was really addicting to see them unpack. She says in this I think voiceover, she says Yong Hui is special. She's especially weird. She's especially ugly and she especially makes my life miserable. And I was like, we can stop right now. Like that's it is really cruel. I think the the storyline plays out really in terms of cruelty.

And do you understand the cruelty? Like, can you understand where she's coming from? Yeah. And. Yeah, there's no winners in this. There's no it's like a serial sum game. This storyline especially, well, all of them like true, truly. She's tries to break up with Kim Woobin. He won't have it. He's taken aback by the by the twin with downs. He says yes, no hesitation when she reveals that they're orphans. They lost their parents when they were 12 years old.

That's a strike against them in Korean society. There's a stigma around orphans. And then she throws it in his face. She'll have to care for her, for her sister for the rest of her life. And that is a really sad, brutal reality that she has this person that has to, she has to care for them. They're family, They're all they have. And it's super sweet of him. But I understand where she's coming from when she tries to break up with him, when she's like, why don't you just save yourself?

Like you don't understand what the gravity of it is. This is a lifelong commitment. You're not just committing to me, you're committing to the both of us. Like you, we are a package deal. And I think the show really gets across the burden of being a caregiver, the sacrifice of giving up your life, the expense of living for someone else.

That is not just monetary. It's time, it's energy, it's mental load, and in this case, the threat of becoming a social pariah because they start going in public, the three of them, and it is a shit show. They get stares, there's rudeness, people are inconsiderate, and society at large is cruel. You have a child that's like actively making fun of the sister in public and the parents are unconcerned about correcting that behavior and apologizing

for on behalf of their child. And that is really jarring to see in the show. And I don't think that it's necessarily far off the mark, you know what I'm saying? For. It's realistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Korea society. So that was really tough. It's a tough. They're holding up a big mirror to Korean society and they're saying look at what what this is and it's provocative.

Later on. I think the sister of the Peno has, like, a little hissy fit at the house later when the sister is outside drawing in the cold, It's freezing outside, and she's drawing outside. No one knows how to act around people with disabilities, how to treat them with dignity because they are so removed from society. And she says this, they're sent to care facilities instead of being cared for at home. And if they're with family,

they're clearly a burden. And any public outbursts are a shameful embarrassment that draws the attention of a society that has no compassion. There is no ADA compliance in Korea. There is, you know, no laws prohibiting discrimination of people with disabilities in Korea. This is a serious thing. You know what I'm saying? Almost feeling like it's sanctioned. And she is devastated and at the same time really angry at the whole situation.

And despite people with downs having developmental delays and and intellectual disability, they have high emotional intelligence. And so the sister is outside and she understands everything. She is crying because she knows what the sister is saying. She hears her and she completely understands that her sister borderline hates her. And this whole thing, I mean, it's rough, man. It's so rough, that whole thing, unbelievable, unbelievable.

The end of that storyline when she sees all of the hand drawn portraits, the whole thing of the sister saying like, you can't draw, you're not an artist, I don't know why you're doing this. And then she sees the obscene amount of of art that she has created while she was in Cheju for that week and she. They did it really well, you know, like she doesn't, she doesn't come across as like, you know, an amazing, amazing artist.

But the drawings she did are so endearing and you know, they're they're beautiful and they they capture more than just the accuracy of of what these people look like. She captures the heart. And I thought they did that really good. Like whoever was the actual artist who did all these, like they did a really good. Job, I can tell you who the actual artist was. It was the actress Jungle who plays the sister with dance Yung Hui. Oh, really?

Yeah, all hand drawn portraits that were displayed in episode 15 were sketched by Jung. Oh wow. Her Wow. Yeah, the actual artist. The actual actress, I should say. Yeah, no, I mean, 'cause it can't, it came out across as really good, you know, 'cause I was like, I was wondering, you know, was she gonna be super amazing, you know, like, like. Really. Detailed, but they the way they did it, they were simple. But yeah, so that's perfect. That's perfect. So that was another storyline.

What were other storylines that you guys wanted to bring up? I think we maybe want to leave the Ibiungun one for the one with him and his mom, I guess for last maybe. But what were the other other ones that you guys want to bring up? Some some that I really appreciated. So the little girl and I, I, I, I'm blinking on her name. Maybe I can find it. Oh, Ungi her her father is a childhood friend to the village

and he is getting surgery. And so they all climb to the top of the mountain the the 1000 moons and they get all the sailors. I thought that was one of the most. Oh my God. Heartwarming scenes ever. It made Jenny cry so much. And then my personal favorite storyline for this show is the the not just the teen pregnancy, but then also their father's relationship. So then for I that that was my my favorite storyline of the show. Mm hmm. What was What made it your

favorite? Well, it's definitely a topic that we casually don't see teen pregnancy in in Kane dramas. And I just thought they truly captured how realistic and how how accurate they depicted how people would make decisions in those in that situation. So do we, do we try to get the abortion or, or I can, or hey, we can do it. We can raise the kid or can we? Can we? Not them telling their parents. I thought like those two scenes in that night. It was amazing.

Amazing in the sense that that is exactly how most Korean parents would react. If I told my father, I'm sure it would have been the exact same situation as that young kid. Same for the daughter. And so I just felt like this was the realist depiction for such a harsh topic. And they did it on AK drama. They weren't afraid to really go there. And I appreciated that. And not to like generalize, but I remember like me, my mom, all all my friends who are Korean, we're watching this show.

When we got to this segment of episodes, everyone was like, Oh my God, these episodes were amazing. Like everyone has to go watch our Blues like the storyline before. And we already mentioned like the first three episodes and then kind of the love line was building. So up until that point, it was a decent show. We weren't sure how crazy it was going to go, but when it got then you.

Hit like episode 5 and that's when you hit the teen teen pregnancy and you're like, yeah, you don't know where to look. You're just like, Oh my God. Right. And so Curtis, you mentioned your, I think you mentioned that Kimubin's love line was your second favorite, is that right? Yeah, yeah. So my favorite love line was the two kids. OK, OK. Oh. That's so cute. Oh. Yeah.

I love. Them, the dads are amazing, the dads, you know, the, the characterizations of the dads, they just went with it. They're so committed to who they are playing, the actors and the you just the, when the kids are like, well, if I tell my dad, he's going to cry for days.

And if I tell my dad, he's going to break a lot of things, you know, and, and then it exactly plays out exactly that way they thought it would because they knew their their dads so well and their dads are well known in the community for being those things too. And it's just the whole town was feeling what they were feeling and it and then just their beef that goes back 20 years. It was it was so well done. Yeah. The beef.

The beef killed me. So I agree completely that the teen pregnancy was surprising and well done. And again, another taboo subject, right? It was very emotional cheese. I I was caught up from the very like she goes to the an OBGYN who was awful and condescending to her. He tells her it's your fault for not using contraception and like they're the condom failed or something like that. And so they did use

contraception. It was like she she was gagged like by this doctor and it's super frustrating to see her in that environment. I don't know if you ever you've ever had someone in your life tell you horror stories about an OBGYN and they're like, I don't never want to see that person again. But like, honestly, I, I've experienced something similar to this, not with a pregnancy, thank God, but like with, you know, just a regular visit where

I'm like, I hate that doctor. I need to report that doctor to look bored. And this was tough to watch, especially because it's a teenager. They're helpless. She's helpless, right? Like she doesn't have a guardian with her. She doesn't have any person to advocate for her. She's never gone to an OBGYN before and he's out here telling her telling her things like all you teenagers are the same.

When she suspects she's she tells the doctor, I think I'm three weeks, 3 months pregnant and she's actually 22 weeks pregnant, which is 6 months. So she's been pregnant for six months, twice the amount of time she thought she was. He demands that she get parental consent and they, I think I've misread the subtitles, but she was, I think she said earlier that it's not needed by law anymore, but the doctor was being a Dick basically and saying like, you know, you need

parental consent or whatever. It was like this whole like shit show. So ever since that doctor's visit, I was like, this is going downhill fast, you know what I'm saying? And then we get the beef between the dads and I mean, it was bad like the IT culminates in this jail cell. To me it culminates when they get arrested together. For fighting each other, it's. For fighting, Yeah. And he said her dad tells his dad, how did it feel to get beaten by her son?

He says that's how he felt the night that he went to him in desperate need and said I need, I need money. Like my child is hungry. My wife has left me. And he called him a dirt poor loser. Yeah, and and he said that that's fine. He goes. Yeah, I know I was, but you just don't do that in front of my daughter. You. Know you don't do that in front of my daughter. And he called him a dirt poor loser and made his daughter beg for money. Yeah. And he was cruel and degrading

when he was most vulnerable. And he went to him because he was the only friend he could rely on. He was all he had and that is to go to someone with all of your heart and for them to like to humiliate you. That is what stuck that that is the beef that stuck. And so to see that play out and to see how the kids were just pummeled by the the two dads in various ways, emotionally and physically. I mean, it was bad. But then the reconciliation was was like sad and beautiful.

Yeah, and realistic to a point. You know, where it didn't, it didn't happen over one, one episode. You know, it did took some time. And yeah, there, there needed to there, there needed to be a lot of steps in between. But the the arc was great. Yeah. I thought the arc was really great. Demanding apologies for things like he like he said shit about his daughter that she was sleeping around and she was like he dragged her out of the hotel, the motel room at one point and.

Yeah, that's. Literally take her to the hospital to get an abortion. It was like wildness, wildness. So that whole thing was was great. I had this moment ingrained into my brain was episode 6 when the the two kids decide to keep the baby and they said promise. She said, promise me you won't change. And it starts raining on them. She covers her, her tummy like it starts to rain and she's like this covering her forehead. And then she's changes and covers her little tummy.

And then he comes over and like covers her and I Oh my God, it was so adorable. Do you remember this moment? No. I don't actually. No, then they start kissing in the street and that's when Ani drives by in her truck and she sees them and she's like, what the fuck is going on? Like she's like, didn't know they were dating. Anyway, all this stuff, these set of episodes were really, again, super powerful. Curtis, what was your number one?

Then what was your number one? OK, so my number one was the Shimena. I I thought, you know the Dong suck and sauna that one, it spans what at least 1520 years goes back to when they were kids and they had nothing but each other and they were just drowning in misery. But they had each other for a week or two. It wasn't even that long of a time.

But it just, they, the, IT started there where they of course they loved each other, but they kind of got separated and didn't see each other for 15 years or something like that. And they met randomly on Seoul, at Seoul or in Seoul. And then that lasted a month or so and they were just hanging out and having fun. But then she, she dumps them on the beach when he tries to kiss. He's the worst.

He has the worst timing ever of when to kiss someone, but he tries to kiss her on the beach and she's like, OK, Take Me Home. I'm done. And he's like, well, what what I do, what I do. And then they meet up later in life and he's super mad about everything, but mad about her too. And then they slowly and then so in your notes, you have, you know, what's your favorite scene?

The, the way they portrayed her depression of just symbolically, everything gets dark for her and she's drowning, you know, in those moments, just covered in water and, and emotionally drowning, maybe even physically drowning and dying. She's literally dying or figuratively dying. And he gives her a little light. You know, like that, that stupid little soundtrack he does on the island that that's my favorite scene where he said, here's something to, to make you laugh.

And he sends it to her and, and it's not again, it's not like fairy tale where it's like, oh, everything's, everything's cured. He sent me this crazy little tape and now I'm cured from depression. But it wasn't like that. It was a slow burn where she's coming out of it and it's just the and and it didn't even end where it was, you know, wedding bells or anything necessarily. Like she's still digging herself out of her hole, right.

And he's, he's got some issues too, got a ton of issues too to dig out from. But they, they've had each other for a couple decades and then they kind of meet up again when they need each other most. And it kind of works for me. I, I really like that I picked that as my number one romance when we did our Valentine's show. Jess, where you, you submitted your answer to that was mine, that I picked this, this romance as the Oh yeah, Brandon, you

were on that episode too. But yeah, this is the one I picked for my it. It's it's a really ugly, messy relationship, but I I really like the way they did it. Yeah, this relationship is pretty different than a standard romance, right, where you have a lot of time in between when they were kids and they were each other's first loves. And she has a really bad home life. He has a horrible home life as well. And they kind of find each other in the madness and they are each

other's safe haven. And then she leaves. Like she just, it's just the one that got away, you know what I'm saying? And the moment that I remember seeing on TikTok after I had already decided to watch Our Blues was in episode 4. The episode starts, it's not about the episode is not about Dong Sok or Shin Mina's character, but it starts with Shin Mina. And I was like whoa, this scene of her and intro ING her depression and her husband being completely over it.

Exasperated with her. He screams at her to go to the hospital to get treatment and they say depression can be cured. He complaints about the laundry and the cleaning of the state of the house. She counters why doesn't he do it himself? Why does she have to do all the household chores? He fires back. She wants him to work and do all the housework. My blood was boiling like this scene and then particularly the part where he says she reeks,

that she stinks. And the passage of time thing, we're just time is this amorphous thing to her. She's unreachable and she didn't. She thinks that it's still the morning and it's actually the evening and she didn't pick up her kid from preschool.

It's the middle of the night. It is a sucker punch, this introduction to Shimena, and then poof, we don't see her or hear from her for several episodes as we go into other storylines and the pregnancy, the teen pregnancy and things like that crop up. Shimena did an incredible job, I thought, playing this character and playing a character who loves her son. Right, like the Depression, she doesn't take away the fact that she loves her son and wants to provide for her son and be there.

It is impeding her ability to do that. And her husband is like the worst. I, like, couldn't get over the fact that he was so, so cold toward her and almost, like, wouldn't pick up the slack, you know what I'm saying? Like, if she's struggling and she's at 10%, OK, you got to do 90, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's all there is to it. Yeah. But, you know, it's pretty realistic, though. Honestly, I-20 you got to do 80 like I sorry, like that's how

life works. So he just was not willing to, I don't know how. How did you? If I was to play devil's advocate, because Jenny and I talked about this a lot and we have some experience with depression and anxiety disorder, one thing that the show doesn't clarify for us is how long she has been in that state of depression. And so I want to be, I, I try to be sympathetic to the husband's character if this had happened, you know, initially and he just wasn't willing to pitch in.

Totally understand he's being unhelpful. But they're obviously parents to this young child. And what happens when it goes six months, one year, you know, two years? And he does make the comment, like, can you at least go get treatment? So it seems like she wasn't taking the necessary steps to get better, at least how that's how I took it. And so I kind of understood his frustrations.

If you're not going to pick up, if you told me you're going to pick up the kid and you did it, like now you're putting our son in danger. And I'm obviously happy that she goes on her mental health journey and she goes to the countryside and, and finds her shine her her light, as you mentioned, Curtis and Yi Byung on. But you know, she also had to have been a, a, a parent to her

son. And I think the dad was thinking for the sun's safety first, so I I wanted to just give him a little bit of slack when I watched the. Show and I think there were two things that didn't let me take my foot off his neck. So the one thing was he knew. Sorry, maybe there's a better way to say that. But one thing was he knew about her depression from the jump before he even married her when they were dating, he knew knew about her depression. That's true.

And I don't know if that played into their breakup initially, because when he she met Ebogan's character however many years ago and they went joyriding, they were on the outs. They had broken up. So who knows? They don't say like why they broke up, but to me that says, OK, I'm signing up. You know, I'm for better, for worse, You know what I'm saying? Like, that is a promise and he knew it's not like it this cropped up later and he's got

to, you know, adjust. And second of all, I think that what played into her losing custody was the accident, the traffic, the car accident that happened. And he blamed her for that accident. When I watch it back, I don't think she was at fault at all. Like she got cut off and ran into the car and I was like, how is that her fault that she got cut off in traffic?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm like, where's where's the fault that she was like, how is this playing into like she was depressed and like ran into a car that didn't scream. She needs to lose custody because she picked up the kid. She was being responsible. The kid was strapped into the

sea. If there were other circumstances, like it was a different kind of accident and she was at fault where the kid wasn't in a seat belt or something like that, like that would have signaled to me, yeah, the kid is unsafe with her. But for all intents and purposes, this was a pretty bad traffic accident that she was not at fault for. And then he takes it upon himself to initiate this really ugly custody battle. Jess, did you rewatch the episodes recently 'cause I, I, I

didn't. So your memory might be better than mine on the show. So I just watched them. Wasn't there a scene where they ask the son like his opinion on the mom and the dad and I forget the answers he gives and I forget what he says about the? Mom, do you remember? He says he calls his dad. Oh, my dad's like a friend. He calls him friend and then he's they ask him his opinion on the mom and he says, oh, mom is sick. So he just thinks that she is sick, not that she is, you know,

mom, she's great. Whatever. Some other verbiage that would have passed in the courts for her to get custody. Just him knowing that she was struggling was I guess a strike against her. So and what was terrible again, was during that custody battle, she the husband was bringing up. It was like us mini microcosm of marriage story. Have you seen that movie story with that ugly custody battle between Scarlett Johansson and No No. I haven't seen it about the

other story, yeah. There's the other one too. Kramer versus Kramer. Yeah, so good. Right, the original. Yeah, so it's the same thing basically where it all comes out, but it's not the whole truth. So the husband and saying, oh, she didn't pick up the kid, she didn't do this, she didn't do that. And she's like, OK, I didn't pick up the kid on one day, but I pick him up 364 other days out of the year. Like I'm doing well all the

other times. And I didn't play with him maybe three or four times out of the month, but I play with him all the other days, like out of the month and so on and so forth. Like all of these strikes against her are like a small percentage of the time that she is full time caregiving for her son that she is out of Commission or unable to care for him. So it was enough. Well, you know, honestly, though, I, I, I think the courts probably made the right call in this case, like just purely

speaking, safety of the child. I, I think they probably made the right choice. Even though we like Shima, you know, we, we know she's going through a lot. We like her, you know, we like her character. There's obviously some room for compassion, but the bottom line is like, which parent? Which would he be more safe with? And it isn't about emotion. At that point. The court has to make a decision on the welfare of the child physically, you know, just keep

the kid alive. And so they probably made the right choice, though we could all see that in the long run, you know, who's who's going to love him more? We know the mom would, but. I also thought it was funny that they were asking the dad like, OK, who's going to do this? Who's going to cure a gift while you're at work? And he's like, oh, my parents are. And they're, So she's like, OK, so you're not going to cure a

gift for him. Your parent, your elderly parents are going to be raising him while you're working and who's going to pick him up from school and all this stuff. And it was never him. It was always his parents. No. But in Korean culture, that's in Korean culture, that's very, that's the standard, almost like my generation of kids, like there's AI have a lot of friends who are closer to their grandparents than their parents just because that was the all families live together and the

parents help out. So I I didn't think that was that weird. That's pretty common in Korea. And and shame and I had no one. You know, she has no parents. I'm not. Saying it's weird because I got picked up every day after school for my with my grandparents. What I'm saying is if it's between aging grandparents or his mother, like you know what I'm saying? Like they were asking questions. Have to work full time though. Pointed questions about like, who is going to raise him, who

is going to be caregiving? And it was not him. Yeah. So it it was hard. But they asked her too and and she didn't have anyone. She was like, I was going to. She's going to have to work full time, so someone else. I can do this and pick him up and all this stuff. So yeah, it was going to she was going to be single mom in it. Anyway, Long story short, this

storyline was harsh. And then you add in the love story that she like, doesn't love him Ebiungun's character at first, but she grows to love him and need him. So I really like that. And her meeting his mom at the end, I was like, like, I was like in tears. Yeah, they just, it is written so well, you know, like it just at that moment, he has to make up with his mom just in time, just within a day, right. To to make it.

Work what I liked about their relationship and especially when Thong Suk is there for when she loses custody, right? Which is devastating for any parent, I'm sure. Yeah. She sobs uncontrollably for hours, she won't eat or drink and she and he gets fed up. Like he tells her she should do her best to gird up, prepare herself for the appeal and not wallow in self pity. And she's devastated at the this horrible thought that her son might hate her and probably doesn't want to be around her

etcetera. And she basically says that she just can't help it. It's how she is. And instead of criticizing her like her husband did, just leave her be, leave her to her own devices and how she processes things. He ends up asking her questions about her depression. What does it feel like? And he starts consoling her. When did it start? And she says it started when her dad committed suicide by driving himself into the ocean. Like wildness, more wildness for

these back stories. It's trauma upon trauma. You could say it's generational trauma. And the next morning, he ponders more about his own circumstances and his own relationship with his mom, meaning he's wondering if his mother struggled with depression. He wonders if she ever loved him because she neglected him. And just as he told Shimena's character to just call up her son and ask him how he feels about her, Shimena tells him he

should ask his mom outright. Instead of avoiding the problem and burying your worries by ignoring the person scared of what they'll say, he should talk to her. And she says she went through a whole crisis of hating her father, wondering why he never said that he was having a hard time, wondering if he loved her at all. And she concluded that he did love her, but life is just

terrible and it beat him down. And then she felt guilty for seeing him Rage Against life, being a violent alcoholic and never asking him what was wrong, why was he so mad or sad. And she tells him to talk to his mom or risk living in regret. That you could have done more, said more, probed more so. That circles back. That's like an earlier episode.

Then we hit episodes like 18/19/20 and this circles back around right with his relationship with his mom and him finally asking some tough questions to her. And I guess we can wrap, we can wrap up with this story. Is that does that sound good? I think so. The last storyline that we're going to talk about is Thong suck with his mother. And I mean, this relationship and these set of episodes is tough because you, I mean, I keep saying it's tough, but I felt.

Look the mom. Is so freaking detached and disassociated like she's just spaced out. And I thought I kept thinking like maybe she has something like maybe he's right like maybe she has some sort of mental illness that she's struggling with. And I could never like put my finger on it. I was like, she's the way she is looking around like I was, I was like, where is she? She's not there. Like I couldn't figure it out, couldn't get past it because the

flashbacks were so visceral. We're super visceral of her slapping him multiple times because she needs she he he needs to call her aunt instead of mother and her getting married within a month of the husband dying and all this stuff like it's. Or not even married, right? Just. Becoming a YEAH and taking care of care of a sickly woman for 515 years, the wife for 15 years. I was livid for him and I could see why he was so angry. Yeah. No, it's it's. So rough, it's so rough.

So how did you guys feel about this and did you guys have thoughts on the mom and his reaction to her and the final moments with him and the trip that they take? Well, yeah, I mean, she, she comes across as so frail and so weak. And everyone's like, why are you? Why are you so mean to her? You know, why don't you take care of her? She look at her, she's so little. And then you find out why. And it's like, oh, it's, it's, it's, yeah, there's layers upon layers in this drama.

And they do a good job of. And like, again, there's no winners. You know, it's just like, yeah, you're not totally wrong to hate this person, but you know, you gotta do what you need to do sometimes to, to mend these relationships. So. There's a shit show that happens in Mokpo because they go to the step dads memorial service. I was like going like this, like I wanted to flip a table and I wanted to not go to that memorial service as much as he did or did not want to go

because why the fuck would he? Would you want to go to that guy's memorial service and see the brothers again? And it ended up being even let like only one brother was there was that brother was there. None of the grandkids, step grandkids were there even. And yeah, EB Young's character is indignant. He's crass. It ignites this fight between him and the abusive stepbrother who beat him to bits when they were younger. And the and the mom comes through. Actually says. Shame him.

Finally. Finally. Finally that he because the stepbrother starts blaming him for the death of the dad. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Then the mom comes through. Yeah, the dad was a knuck. 30 years too late. She's defending him and saying no, your dad was an alcoholic who got drunk and hurt himself after you sold off his boats and basically lost his fortune. Wasn't we're in the process of

losing his fortune? Not that measly $20,000 that my son stole that had nothing to do with why he ended up basically bedridden for the rest of his life or something and died. So the mom sticks up for him and sets things straight with facts and tells the fan that there's nothing her son should be apologizing for. And she's super agitated all of a sudden because she's so passive the rest of the show.

And you're so surprised. You're thinking at this point you're thinking we're going to get some more When he confronts her and our starts asking her shit, she's going to apologize or she's going to say something really profound. Brandon and Curtis when he asked her why didn't you ever apologize to me? It seemed like you were aware of how difficult my life was because of you. Do you even feel sorry? Do you really feel sorry about how you mistreated me and hurt me?

She says Why should I feel sorry about you? And I nearly shut off the TVI was like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, we're back to square one. We're back to square one. Because I genuinely still can't understand why she wouldn't apologize. He's asking for it. He's confronting her directly and she's still like, I can't think of anything I need to apologize for. She just said all that shit in front of those people. It was mind boggling. It was mind boggling to me.

It was bothering me. I think maybe, maybe in her mind she's like, well, I kept you alive. Look, you're still alive. You know, a bare minimum of mothering is keep your kid from dying. And she did that. I think that's right, Curtis. And, you know, not everyone becomes a mother by because they want to for some people it it that that's the the cards that

they're dealt. And she, I think you mentioned this earlier, Curtis, she did what she had to do to get herself by and make sure that her son had a roof over his head. Yes, I'm sure it hurt her. Maybe, maybe not seeing her kid get beat, but at least he got some meals, you know, had a house and and she is not educated, right. I don't think she even went to school. So honestly, how can you really, you know, she she did what she could.

I think. I, I thought that was a really raw moment because between IB Young on and the mom, they're saying, I don't owe you any apologies. But externally she still defended him against the brothers, which I thought was nice. I was confused because she still has this feels this pull toward this family that did not appreciate her, did not love her, treated her like shit, treated her son even worse.

And she's still like, let me go over there and run this memorial service and bring them food and go to their weddings and and I was like, she treated that family so well. And in my mind, I'm like for what? Like to what end? Like there was nothing there, no blood like there, You know what I'm saying? Like I was confused about their sure loyalty to them and her lack of loyalty to her son. And absolutely I felt way less angry at her when you put it in perspective that she was a

simpleton. She had no education, she was illiterate, literally into her. She was imminently dying of cancer and she was still learning her AB CS, very infantile of a personality. And she had this survivalist mentality where she was just like, I just need to eat. I just need a roof over my head. I just need this. I just need that. And despite all that, I was like, OK, but now he's an adult. You don't need to do shit for him. And he is. You know he's hurt. He went no contact for years.

You know he's hurt. That's your blood, Sun. Why would you not say I'm sorry like I did the best I could? Yeah. I know. She's just said why would I feel like it was such the wording as well? Like I'm sure it was a translation but I was like, this is the worst thing you could possibly say. Yeah. As well, so it was a lot of things at play. Yeah, unless there, unless her, her unless her long game was OK, let me show up at this memorial service and finally tell these

people off in front of my son. Unless that was her long game, which I don't know if that was. I mean, it worked out that that's how it turned out. But yeah, I don't know why she would it. Literally made no sense to me. OK, anyway, well. I think Korea is just very big on tradition, especially when it, you know, there is the the mothers doing air quotes, you know, responsibilities. And I think there's also a concept in Korea called Chung.

It just means that when you've spent enough time with someone, even if you're not related, you just develop some type of bond. And so my thought was she just spent so many years with this family and she was technically the, the matriarch, I guess of that immediate family. You know, she still needed to do her, her duties every year. And so I, I didn't think too

much of that to be honest. OK, Yeah, I don't think I've spoken about Chung. Maybe in the My Mr. episode Chung came up, but yeah, I again, this is the level one of Chung versus level 10. Maybe because there I they hated her like they they were like, why are you here? Why did you call like, Oh my God, it was the worst. It was the worst. I she was so unloved and then she still went back to it was like bad habit. It was like a bad habit. Anyway, she dies.

It is awful. The no music when she passes was a powerful choice to me. And then he decides to lie next to her and hugs her body and cries and calls her mom over and over again. Something that he refused to do throughout the show was call her mom. And the voiceover just like is like a nice little bow. Wraps it up real nicely. She never said she loved me or that she was sorry. My mom, Kangak Song, made a bowl of my favorite food, Donjiang soup, a Sue.

Then she returned to where she used to be. I hugged my dead mom's body and cried. That's when I realized something. I had never resented her my entire life. I just wanted to embrace and reconcile with her. I just wanted to hug her for a very long time and cry as much as I wanted. And I was like, he just wanted his mom. And she was always like, I'm not your mom. I'm your aunt. And I'm like, we're not going to unpack this like this. You know what I'm saying? Like.

She. Wanted it, but didn't want it. Yeah, well, so he's got, he's got time. He was. He's heartbreaking faggot. The next heartbreaking 70 years. Anyway, I love the show and I'm so glad that both of you love the show and we're into doing this episode with me and covering, I think most of the storylines, if not, no, I think a couple of them were left off, but that's fine. We did pretty. Good. I think we did pretty good. Yeah, we did most of that. Two hours later, but.

That's fine. Thanks, Lee. If listeners, if you're still listening, thanks for sticking it out man. We appreciate it. Do you guys? So real quick the storyline that I hate, I've not hated, but that I disliked the most was actually the umjong and unis storyline. I thought that one was the weakest but I'm curious like which one did you guys like the

least? So that one hit me like a ton of bricks because I was the unni in a relationship when I was growing up and I had a friend who looked like Pocahontas and she was the in the relationship and it it hit me like a ton of bricks. I I felt deeply for that relationship. So it's personal to you. Yeah, so I. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it yeah, it wasn't this, no. Compared to everything, you're kind of like, but yeah, it's deep. It was deep and it's real for for me, maybe for a lot of

people. But yeah. So thank you guys again for coming on and for coming on for a really long time to talk about this show. Thank you for having us. Before we get out of here, where can we find you guys online? Probably Instagram is best for me at Infatuation podcast. You'll see updates there. And you can find us at Poach a Playlist across all of social media and anywhere that you like to listen to your podcasts. Awesome. Well, that's been our show.

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