Full House / Ep. 47

I'm Jessica in. This is Deb aqui Rambles. Were a couple of friends review, Korean dramas, and for this episode, I am joined by my very good friend, Nina from the Kpop bookshelf, podcast. How are you Nina. I'm well, how are you doing? Well, I haven't had you on since the extraordinary attorney Wu episode, which is actually a lot of people have listened to that one. So I'm guessing that most of our audience has listen to that episode and is familiar with you.

So I'm excited to get going on this review and we're going to do today. We're going even further back in time and the kdrama world. We're going back to the year 2004, so review Full House. Yeah, yes, so I know when we before we get started, if this is your first time listening, go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast app.

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Love having you guys as part of the patreon patron Community. All right, so I'm going to go ahead and preface this by saying I live in Florida. It is currently summer in Florida and there is a summer storm happening outside. It's a thunderstorm. So if you hear some noise in the background I'm sorry. So that's just Florida. I can't change the weather right back. So for Full House my gosh, It changed the weather. No, I can not currently no funny enough.

I just watched Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs the other day for the first time ever that animated movie and I was like, wow. So anyway talking about changing the weather. So my drama listen Ops is for Full House hunting in an aspiring script. Script writer lives in a house called Full House built by her late father. One day her two best friends trick her into Believing. She has won a free vacation and sell her house. While she's away on the plane,

she meets famous actor. EV en J through comedic events, they get acquainted during her vacation. And when she returns, she discovers that her house was has been sold to him though. They don't get along with each other because of her messy Tendencies, and his bad temper and zealous cleanliness. They agree to live with each other. In the beginning, Gian works as his made, in order to buy her house back, they alter their Moment when youngjae decides to win back the love of his life.

Kang hee won in a bid to make her one. Jealous. The two protagonists enter into a contract marriage with a six-month term complications arise when the couple starts to fall for each other. Yes. Oh we're gonna get into it. This aired originally from July to September 2004, it is a summer show and good for us. I have like 90-something degree weather happening. Outside. So we're in the peak of Summer. Y'all in Florida 2004.

I don't know if you if you care to say what you were doing in 2004, but I'll just go ahead and set the scene and I'll out myself. I was 12 years old in 2004 and your babysitter we'll put it out, okay. Yeah. And to put it in perspective, Brad Pitt was still married to Jennifer Aniston at the time. This was the year that he met Angelina Jolie on the set of mr. And mrs. Smith, but they were still, he was still married to Jen. Mark Zuckerberg launched Facebook in 2004 from his Harvard dorm.

It was not be Facebook. Metaverse that we have today. It was the Facebook. It was called the Facebook. Yes. Yes. Watch The Social Network. If you haven't already, excellent film the TV sitcom Friends, aired its season. In Finale this year. I'm I'm pretty shocked that that

one. As a matter of fact, and here are some movies that came out in 2004, Kill Bill, Vol 2, Howl's Moving Castle. The Notebook, The Incredibles Mean Girls Spider-Man, 2, Shrek 2 50, First Dates and the third Harry Potter movie Prisoner of Azkaban. What was on the radio? Well I'll let you know. Mina, we have Yeah, the single by Usher featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris it won a bunch of Grammys and a billboard song of the year. Stop it.

Stop it Mina. It's more like, oh okay, I didn't want to do. I didn't want to do that but I went ahead and just did it, I got it out of the way. Also the song, If I Ain't Got You by Alicia Keys was released. This year and won some Grammys, Coldplay's Clocks. The song Clocks was winning Grammys, and so was the band Evanescence. So, I mean, this was a Zealand time for music talk about Golden Era. But honestly, this is the climate, this is the time.

Only three years removed from 9/11, this is when Full House was Least nobody had an iPhone. Nobody knew what an iPhone was. Okay this is the flip phone ERA. This is LimeWire downloading music era, just like Blockbuster Video, the store and like movie rental places. Yes, yeah. Netflix did not exist. I mean the list goes on and on so I just want to set the scene here when we're going back to

0-4 like it's a serious thing. So the show Full House is only 16 episodes long and the director is pure minsu. He's directed things like worlds within from 08 which also Stars so I'm like yo he directed heartstrings from 2011, which stars what's her name? Oh my God, we just had her In The Heirs, I forgot her name. I feel bad whatever. Susie no no heirs. And I feel terrible, but anyway it'll come to me later in the episode.

So heartstrings Iris to the producers, the third charm, these are all his projects, it obviously was based on a web to on a cartoon. Once who Ian wrote the cartoon and Min Hyo, Jung wrote the screenplay mean he'll John really hasn't done. Done anything else besides Full House. The only two other writing credits to their name rules of love, from 2005 and Cat on the roof the year before Full House in 2003.

So I'm just going to list off our two leads because Full House is led by song hye-kyo, she plays hon daeun, she was a grand total of 23 years old when she did Full House. And what do you think about song hye-kyo is? Like full house because we covered the glory. We've covered her in descendants of the sun, that's 2016 and 2020 3ish respectively and honestly, she's done a bunch of other stuff and I we've discussed her and other episodes but what, how

are you feeling about? So I'm gonna kill in this show. I it reminded me a lot of like this era in kdramas where there was a lot of and that's a, they're still not, but female protagonist who are Annoyingly endearing, or at least, that's what they want you to think. I kept thinking of Boys Over Flowers and John Dee, the character, John Dean, how truly

annoying? She was how much I actually fully hated her, um, but I thought song hit you up in her portrayal, actually managed as Jian to be endearing. That was my opinion, at least that she was cute and endearing. Except she's also like clumsy and like, you know, Annoying dirty, all those things I agree. Completely. So I feel like song hye-kyo has the reputation Being a serious actress. Like, all of her characters are very stoic. Beautiful, elegant.

And not very loose or bubbly or endearing, like, she is here in this role. And this is sort of where I first saw, her was in this show called Full House and granted. I didn't watch and I was 12 years old, I watched it like, 2012 2013, it was one of the first Of years that I was watching kdramas, and I loved her in Full House. And this kind of informed, my opinion of her and her acting, is that she can kind of do it all. Rain or as I like to call him rain.

So rain plays youngjae the Celeb in this show, he was only 22 years old when he did the show he's gone on to do some other shows like a love to kill my lovely girl. Come back mr. Ghost doctor in 2022. He had a cameo and under the Queen's umbrella and I think he's got a Disney Plus show coming out. And next year, Wayne family Scandal is the name of it right now. What did you think of rain?

It's a show. I mean, I think he was obviously, like, I don't know if the stunt casting is the word, but like, he's there to be kind of play rain, you know, because that was the peeker among the peak time of his popularity in Korea as an idol. So, he's playing, he's playing kind of the spoiled celebrity Idol guy who also acts and that kind of thing. So he was just playing trying to play himself. I don't think the acting was very great but you know, it was and he was so young so I don't.

Know how much actor he done before that, but yeah, it was there. So he had played on her. He had been in only one other show before this song. Do, let's go to school from 2003. Where get this, he plays a gigolo who's a father of a seven-year-old, who's sick? And so, he's sort of living below the poverty line. Just so that he can pay the hospital bills for his seven-year-old. It's, I don't know. I don't know if anyone has seen the show, if you have seen range, you watch this?

No, no. I've never seen this show, but if you have, please, please reach out and let me know your thoughts on it cuz I'm not. I'm really not about to fit in this 2003. Sang-doo. Let's go to school, show with rain and his very first acting cred, but it seems like a heavy-handed role to play. I'm curious how he was the dad of a seven-year-old at age like 20. And well, he was plenty. I think the characters like 27 was supposed to be, 27 years old, so he had the kid when He was about 20.

I anyway, that's like a totally different shows, but, you know, tangent, but rain as youngjae, I will say, I still love rain. I still love rain in this role. I still live Rana Z youngjae. There's something really boyish about his character and about his portrayal that really appeals. Even after 20 years like this show is about 19, 20 years old. And even no, it's not. Not the best acting whatsoever.

I do feel like there's a vulnerability to the character that he brings out in certain parts and that was almost mesmerizing to see those parts where he's lets down his guard and be is is a little more vulnerable and open. They're yelling basically the whole show, both of them, but I thought for him to like, similar to Hung, oh gosh. Thank you, seonguk. I was like, what's her name? Yes. Like he portrayed a little bit of, like something that seemed more endearing as well.

Surprisingly like it would kind of catch me off guard because I'm just as like this character so annoying. But then, when the script was trying to make it seem like he had these like you said vulnerabilities and was some kind of endearing like what? Because sometimes like, why does she like him or why did she ever you know? One interact with him. It sometimes it made sense. So, he definitely had moments. Hmm. What are your thoughts in? General, on the show?

Did you like it? Did you hate it? Was it watchable after 20 years? Let me know. It's definitely dated. I think in that you're never like, oh, this is happening right now in real in present-day. Yeah, it's definitely. It's watchable and I love rain just separately. So I really liked, you know, Him and song, hye-kyo. So, like you said, a stoic actress, just like classic Beauty, and they made her really kind of goofy and cute. So, I think is really fun to watch.

Now, did you have any trouble getting through the episodes at all? Yeah, it's he said only, however, many episodes was like, that's too many Chinese episode 16 episodes is too many. Yeah, I would agree with that. Personally, I think if this show was made today It would be 12 episodes 8 episodes Max. I don't think that it's It needs to be sorry, I don't know why that really got me that made me laugh. Okay, no, I think that it's not

warranted. The 16 episode count, what I mean by it's only 16 episodes is that for me? I blasted through these episodes. It was very easy for me to re-watch the show and it felt like it was giving me the same high as I did.

When I first watched it, the excitement that I felt Watching this show was really all-time high something that is very different from my experience, watching some of these other kdramas that I've returned to and watch for the podcast where it was really tough to get through airs. It was really tough to get through your beautiful, but for this one Easy Money, easy. Yeah.

This one, I think held up better than those then I hers and I, yeah, I think it does hold up a little better than airs or even your beautiful. There's some Urkel quality about Full House and the tropes that employees, like the cohabitation Trope, and The Contract Marriage Trope. Are you kidding? Of course, these are still around. They're still, you know, people still love these tropes, so I don't feel like, if you come into this thinking, this is going to be wildly different.

No, in fact, this is kind of where those Trends started, right was Full House. And this, cohabitation this couple, this contract marriage was like the blueprint for other kdramas to Hello. So I really think that it's foundational. It's important. It did extremely well in, in ratings. And in popularity, it was a huge export.

People love this show. And I felt that even when I was first watching, it was like, this looks even though it's freaking dated, everybody looks really mid-2000s and of death in a shocking way in a shocking way. You're like, oh my God, the Fashion everything that the second female lead is wearing is some level of atrocious. I'm telling you, it is painfully 2004, but at the same time I

feel like it's timeless. I will say, I cover the show a little bit winter Sonata and one of my podcast episodes which was considered the first drama to really start Hall you. And this one too is one of them, but that one was the plot was absurd, like absolutely absurd because he employed all these tropes of like Amnesia. And yeah, that and and I like it because, you know, course cohabitation.

And it was kind of insufferable to watch for me now in present day, but Full House using those tropes and I was getting a little nervous. Actually, it was like, oh gosh, yeah. Barrage and living together, but it actually worked. It just worked. I think a much better. Yeah. Whether it's because it had some good source material with the cartoon. A lot of people have said that the show is better than the cartoon.

I don't know how true that is, because I've never gotten my hands on the Full House cartoon, but I kind of feel like there's something to that statement because it is really watchable it is this couple is really fun. Yeah, you know, they're annoying to each other they're annoying sometimes to even watch but there's some magic. I don't know what they were eating on the site like I don't know what it is. You're rooting for them to your. Yeah it worked out.

Yeah you hope it works out. You hope they make it, you hope they get over themselves, you hope that they forget the love of God communicate. So this is not rains first role and this is not something that kills for a stroll but it just did a lot for the tropes. It did a lot for both of them career-wise because it was so popular. What are some things that sort of made you think? Oh my God, this is 2004 because I don't yeah.

Everything know the clothes the clothes and the hair, the side ponies, a little Brave. How dare you her like no I'm not saying it's a bad thing and The actually worked in retail during this time and one of my I'm really not fashionable at all. So I could relate to the character but my friend who is way more fashionable was like, You Gotta Wear Kelly Green, that is the color and I was like, what the hell is Kelly Green? I don't even know what it was and she's like, no, that's the

popular color. And I had all this, like, American Apparel, kelly, green stuff and I watching this I was like in shock because she wears Kelly Green, like every other scene like she wears so much, Kelly Green does and also those weird little ruffle kind Dove ruffle skirt. Yes, Hank tops. The multi-layer tank top under the, I like everything was like really killing me. The like, Hangul kind of hats like newsies hat. Oh my God, the kitten heels, the kitten heels.

Yes, she was rocking every look, that was in. So, yeah, is definitely the clothes. I was surprised at the outfits that they put on the second. Female lead had won her character because they were pretty risqué to me. Did you feel the same way? Yeah a lot of Skin showing I was kind of surprising like push-up bra to. Yeah like thing and I was like

is this Allah same thing? I was like why do I feel like kdramas now and even in the last 10 years or so are extremely conservative when it comes to dressing their leads right? Right. Because this same thought right? Because she's out here with like exposed bra straps and like freely. The bra straps, but just out and showing her arms. I was, I saw cleavage and I was like, there is a lot I'm seeing, like, her the side of her

stomach and stuff. I feel like I saw side boob, I was like, she's not dressing like terribly. It's just very Runway Fashion from 2004, and for some reason they don't afford that sort of risky look too. Yeah, leads nowadays or even second leads. Now, it has exact same observation and I don't know why that is either. Okay, just thing to think about.

Yeah, super interesting to see that on screen, I think what makes it really shook me was the cinematography because there was no cinematography, everything was washed out hat that they never heard of white balance. It was just over exposed. Like literally all I can think of is Is just the color white when I think of Full House. And the way that it was shot, the landline that was in the house. That was sort of integral to the story. So many times was like, they're waiting for calls.

They're waiting to, you know, out. I was like, oh, that was back. Then you're just sat around and waited for people, or you, sat in a restaurant, waited for someone to show up. Honestly hanok, you just sit there for hours, you were just deal with it. And they would Answer the phone and not know who was on the on the line, like, they were just like, hello as if they had no clue. Who was the cop? Caller ID wasn't a thing in 2004. It was but Iran had it. Exactly.

That's what, that's what I mean is that they, the phone that they had, in the show, didn't have caller ID? No, so they were just like hello: no clues on the other line, the anyone, it could be anybody the Again, with the front door. Now, we have front door cameras. We don't just pop over to people's houses. No, I was appalled, it was appalling. It was rampant rampant in this show. They just egregious. They would anybody would just come over and they would open the door.

Like hella get like they have no idea who's at the door. That was really throwing me this time to be alive and then I Confused also by a cut like blunders production blenders that were just kept in. Like what? Like, there's that one point. You see a light? Like a production light in a nighttime shot and I was like, yeah, is that the light that's lighting the scene? And then there was a shadow of the of the camera passing over. Like, I guess lighting, but stuff like that.

The little icon or something. This is like a Wednesday Thursday. A drama or Tuesday, Wednesday, drama or whatever, except, like popping up. So it's like where they just like, on a time crunch because I mean, they just like, we don't time, I don't know that there was even a shot where you saw a production person in the background and I was like, you could tell was an error because it's a like mid shot of rain from like the chest up.

And you can see the background there at the Full House and it's just wooded and they're supposed to be of it supposed to be a very secluded area. Eight no other houses around but there's this random dude in the background and then he like ducks out and I was like this is a mess in the best way possible. Because it's, it took, it takes nothing away from exactly. Also, why were there so many bugs in the frame? So many bugs. Why aren't we mentioned the words? I am really was like, oh, the

bugs the bostic's? Yeah, I was so. Confused. Why there were so many bugs and like, not little bugs. I'm talking like a giant fly, moths that you see come up to the window and stuff because they're in a very secluded area that was. I was like I don't think I've ever seen a bug in a recent kdrama. I don't ya I don't know what. Yeah climate change who knows? It was it was a lot though. There's a lot. So, I know. So, the location of the House, the full house is a house built

specially for the series. I want to pause for a second, and just mention that because I don't know if anyone hasn't seen this, but full has the name of the house. She lives in. Yes. Okay. It's like then it's just name of the house. We're not just weirdly. Calling it The Full House. No, no. I think I said in the my job the my drum. Listen Officer says it hon. Do you and inspires fear a script, writer lives in a house called Full House but built by

her late father. So, when we say Full House, it could just use context clues, it's either the name of the show or were talking about the actual house. Okay? So full house is a house built specially for the series and it's located in Quang, Tri Area of Incheon near the airport and it's only a 10-minute boat ride from some Oak Harbor. I don't know if it's actually still there. I don't think it would be. I doubt it. It's been 20 years.

I don't think this house that was Pacific Lee built for the production is still there. I would be really surprised if it was the house was made mostly of wood and cost about a hundred about a million dollars, u.s. dollars to build. So, glad you mentioned this because I was wondering, like, why are they on the beach and like, what body of water and as I had to get to Seoul so fast all the time, like they're going from there to like like Guam moon in like five seconds like

all the time. And I'm like, how is this happening? And then he gives her a bike and I'm like okay man get ahead of myself but no, but there's this house. I agree with you because there Some, there's I think we're trained once we watch kdramas that waterways are far from the city except for the Han River. Yes, except for the hundred, you're right except for the Han River. Every other body of water is far away and this was by the end of the show, I was like, this is

not the ocean. This can't be the ocean. This is a lake or something, but it has like, it kind of had a wave like a current, right? I was very confused. I was like, where are they? But The harbor so now I'm like okay it's something. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not it still seemed far-fetched for them to run back and forth between like downtown Seoul and Incheon so fast. Yes, I agree with you completely. What would you say? Your thoughts were on the OST? I liked it, I liked it that I've

no complaints. I like the OST even to this day. I really love this the main song that ends every episode. I said, I just start clapping, like, I don't know, I get really excited. It was this show and something in the rain where I'm like, why are they why is like an English song playing so much? It was like, that's only thing that Drew me about it. There's language, I know there is something really strange and not the main OST, like there's

like two main OST song. That they use throughout the show that are not in English, but there's other OST songs and just needle drops that. I don't know why they're in English and their bad covers of different. Yes. Like bad covers and honestly, it just enhanced experience to listen to some of these. Like there was a Dean Martin song or something, the girls kept playing 60s like the turtles.

Like It's very, it makes you whirl around and just think what is going on, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. This is not OST songs are good, like you said, yes. Yeah, yeah. The main OST songs are good and this is not a serious show. Like, let me get this out of the way. Like, this is not a serious show. This is criminally unserious, okay? Like This is the reasons why they get together are really bogus.

Even I I never get to it but like her best friend selling her house bro. An idol. Yes it will. Okay, so this is part of the synopsis. I don't think this is necessarily a spoiler because it's just episode 1 basically. But if how do I put this if I don't I don't think I would be this gullible. But if my friends, my best friends since childhood, send me off to Shanghai and said, you have a free trip enjoy. You're going to have so much

fun. We'll see you when you get back and when I I get stranded in Shanghai have to borrow money from some a-lister that I met in first class and pestered and lied to, to get out of Shanghai, back to Korea and I get back my house, that my father, Built deceased. Father, late father, right? Late father built. They sold it behind my back. I think there would be this would be a crime drama. Yeah. For this would not be a romance drama. That should be a great joke, comedic drama.

I'd be like no. So those two friends would not be my friends anymore to say the least. I ringing my doorbell like, breaking into my house and all this other stuff. So I I'm, I don't want my blood pressure to go up and I because honestly, I don't know how she stayed for. Friends with them throughout the duration of the show. Yes, she kind of was, didn't put up with her bullshit for a few different scenarios that happen.

But for the most part, she was on relatively good terms with them and they swindled her out of her house. That was her only think that she said this was the only thing I had. Yep, the whole that whole thing was your because it's like you've won a contest. What contest? I, yeah. That's you know, and she's like, okay, and she's like your shirts first. You're sure someone's gonna meet me there Port. They're like, yeah, it's fine.

It's fine. Just go on ahead and like they totally played her and then she like was pissed at them but yet still was like in they were stealing each other's lives, and I just really couldn't wrap my head around that.

I like there's, there's no way. You guys are installing identities and move because I would be after you, I would, you don't want to know what I would do to those two friends and what's sad is that like she basically had nobody else and I guess that's what this show is. Also trying to say is That she had no other family, no other friends, just those two friends, and then they screwed her over and ironic name full house because it was an empty house. Oh my God.

You're right. That's a great point. Is that the house is called Full House that house had two people in it at Max Maxie. I'm Max staying in it. So like we said before Full House considered a pioneer of the rom-com genre for kdrama and the drama was a huge success and helped Propel the K-Wave. Korean wave, and it spawned a spin-off. See our season, to however, you want to look at it Full House, Take 2, which aired in 2012 with. I can't remember.

It's another set of like K drug, not kdrama K-Pop Stars. Okay, I can look it up really fast but then also Full House spawned a musical. Oh my God. Yeah so it's Stars, no min-woo Oh, I know this guy. I've seen this guy. Oh my God. He is in the Forbidden, marriage. That's the most recent thing. He's been in in a bunch of all their stuff. My girlfriend is a Gumiho pasta. Okay. Okay. If you look at a movie like, oh, I know him he apparently was a drummer for Rock Band. T-Rex tracks.

I don't know, track probably tracks. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a pretty face so that's Full House. Take to start a him and some other folks. So and then Hong Jong. I'm she was in, she was in, she was pretty yes, a with Park Soldier. Yes, I know. Yeah, so that she was the female lead. One thing that I liked was this quote from, so I'm going to kill where she said in an interview in my previous work, I've only played very innocent prude characters who are careful about their behavior and words.

However, this time hon Jian is a completely different character. She is so bubbly and Lively that I could say, she is a bit bizarre and freaky, thanks to this role. I've noticed that my personality to has become more bright and Lively. That's cool. Which is a nice. I don't, I don't know, it's really nice quote and again just puts in perspective. How song hye-kyo was choosing her projects back in the day 20

years ago? And it's kind of crazy to see how she's narrowed in and been sort of Typecast whether it's by her design or just us. Those are the scriptures she gets or what have you. I don't know what this is. Like double down on like serious. Yeah people. Yeah it's really Pleasant to see. ER in Full House, right? I agree. Like there's something so nice about seeing something, like you just sort of being a bully her like she's giggling, she's goofy, she's loud, she's messy,

all these things. It's just makes her character. Really likable, really likeable? So what would you give the show out of five Soldier bottles? I think I've honestly it would kind of rated High, even though Not like it's not like Shakespeare but it is. I'm like for you to I think it's so lovely and really washable so much fun.

I mean honestly a lot of fun even though the plot is super repetitive not much is happening in the grand scheme of things, this was I feel like this was a genuinely cheap show to produce because they're in one location, just the house basically, and a couple other places. It's literally just them in the house and it's great. It's really, really because it's so character-driven. Yes, on the characters. Yeah, they're in. Jeju, and now they're in here.

I mean in the beginning when they go to Shanghai, there's a little bit of that but then there's not like those episodes. Other shows were like they go to all these exotic places and now the whole yeah you know yeah it's not like Goblin or descendants of the Sun or Stars. You know. Some of these other shows that in 2016 See the stuff that was the trend was to just go out of the country and spend some money on taking the production overseas. That's not the case for Full House.

They went to Shanghai. Well actually they didn't like the film in Thailand and some other places but yeah, they did but it wasn't as elaborately. Yes. Integral to the story. Ryan what they were doing? Yeah. As it is in other shows, right?

Exactly. Yeah. It's just them, just going, stir crazy in the house and fighting and yelling, and Getting misunderstood and not communicating and just it's very childish and maybe that's what I like is that I'm getting the high of maybe a high school show without the high school. It's like, it's like a WB show like or UPN show my dating myself. I'm just think of 2004, you know, like it gives giving Dawson's Creek. It's giving like, yeah, you're Veronica Mars or something, I don't know.

It's like giving these old shows of that time, at least in the US. Like we had. So yeah. I think it's, I think nowadays is probably a guilty pleasure. For sure, the last thing that I'll say before we get into spoilers is, I was posting some tick-tocks about Full House and this came up in the comments section. Some people were like, this is this rain oh my God, Lorraine looks so good and then some people started posting about rain stinky breath.

So real quick. Yeah, this is a vicious rumor that was started by an asshole Idol. Who is now blacklisted and canceled for talking shit online about Rain and other celebrities. So if you are use canceled though, no, that's not what that's not even why you that guy was cancelled, but I'm just saying sucks generally. Yeah, he just sucks.

So that guy who was posting about rains breath being stinky and I don't know why this rumor still persists and people either believe in it or they believe in it as a joke. Either way, I don't find it. I don't find it that funny. In fact, it was a pretty, it's not that funny. And I will have bad breath sometimes. Like, I don't know, you know, it's It's it was concerning when people were commenting on it on the video in mass and I was

like, I don't, are you joking? Or are you serious that you believe this rumor? I couldn't tell and that was a little scary. That's why I wanted to bring it up now is because this is rain 20 years ago before the internet basically was the internet. Yeah. And some of y'all are real goofy talking about rains breath. When you're not even Like, you are not even a fought in your mama's brain, when he was making a name for himself and putting

out music. And if you're listening right now and genuinely think that rains breath stinks, you better check yourself because your breath smells like stale, Hot Cheetos and underage drinking, I swear to God. If I if you genuinely, believe everines breath stinks in a real palpable way. That's like off-putting to other K-pop Idols. I don't know what to tell you. I will also say a that's not grounds like that has nothing, do they? Even if you're right right?

What does that mean? I don't that's not an insult, really? I know that's what to say. The other thing is I don't know to contextualize for people who don't know about rain or don't follow Idol or K-pop. Idols, our Kpop rain is like the stock has huge. Yes, let's talk about the reign of it because he was a phenomenon. Yes, he's a legend.

He was so huge and he didn't have a group to help back him up. So it's not like, if you didn't like, like most people like to rain, it was like, I put this member that member to like, you just Like to bring in himself and he was the height of like, sexy and like doing kind of innovative things that wasn't really happening in Korea. To that extent. He had offers do and he did do I

think Hollywood movies. I know a long time ago, he appeared on like The Colbert Report or some, like American thing was as before K-pop Idols routinely. Shut up on Late Night. American talk shows. You know, I knew who Reign was before, I knew a single other Kpop person like years and years before I got into Kpop and it's you have to respect, like, you don't have to like him or right

hand, right? Understand And respect that he was like, a really groundbreaking artist, and he did so many things, and a lot of the people you like, now, if you're a Kpop fan were inspired by him, so you can hate him or like, clown him for his breath, or whatever you want to do. But he was and still is a legend, and he might not be the best, like morally a person. I don't know.

Ideally, as far as I know, he's like, not like a scandal-ridden person and he's a father and he's a husband, he's got his own like life. He Has a group called Cipher, I think, which is like a boy group.

Now, that's debuted recently, so he has a lot going on and if this what you want to choose to pick on him for you can but like compared to him, you're probably know, nobody just say that like you know, I like his music but I'm not like honestly I think the bottom line is put some more spec on his name because rain was doing this way before your favorite Idol.

And again he's A Pioneer and I think a lot of people also don't like rain because of his association with jyp who was a tremendous mentor to him and sign him to jyp and stuff. I think a lot of people also don't know. The rain was pretty groundbreaking in that jyp and other industry insiders were telling him to get plastic surgery and get the double eyelid surgery and he never did.

Hmm. Yeah, I've seen them on, other shows being like, Oh, I auditioned and didn't get into SM Entertainment or like, I addition for all these other companies, I don't know for sure if like, gaap gave him his break or his chance or whatever. But I mean, they do have a professional relationship. Everyone finds gaap a little cringey and that's whatever but but on he he stands on his own as well you know regardless of gaap associations. I think. Yes by now for sure. I agree. I agree.

Also watch him in Ninja Assassin from 2009 because A movie is trash but I'll it was like good trash. So, on that note, I think we're going to get into spoilers for Full House. So, keep listening. If you want to be spoiled or have already watched Full House. You want to come here? All right. We're on the other side of spoilers. So we're going to talk about Full House and all of the plot details. Not too many plot details because there's not that much. But Mina, I think you had

something specific. You wanted to start off on so hit me with it. Okay. I want to know why her bestie AK? Someone who defrauded her jin-hee. Why was she never showing signs of pregnancy. Okay, so really bothersome to me I have in my notes BFF who is pregnant but never looks pregnant question. Mark question mark because the whole thing of why they robbed her Of her house and sold it under her, was because she was pregnant, and they were a couple of bombs.

They had no money. She got cut off from her, rich dad, and they were like, well married, yeah, they yeah, out of wedlock and stuff. They were pregnant out of wedlock and they needed money. They needed funds or whatever. For the baby evidently. There was no baby because she never appeared pregnant throughout the course of the show. And I'm talking like it. Was a logical how she never seen? He was a size zero the yes. Right.

Right, but she also kept saying like the baby's coming soon, the bees any day now. It's coming thither like Eminence. So it's not that they kept like, looking at her belly and be like, oh, the baby. Like what? Baby, what, baby, where are you? Hiding this baby? Because she was not with child. There is no way that woman was with child. No, and I remember thinking that too and I first watch Full House was like, what the fuck is this? Like she's not pregnant and in

no way. Has some like Health scares were like she gets pushed her she falls, it's like, oh no, we gotta get the baby. Like, we gotta go to the hospital, make sure the baby's, okay. It's like, okay, fine. But then later there was like, she looked exactly the same. Like there was never even a hint of a bump or hint of anything. Nothing. Nothing. I hated it. I hated it so much. Much. And something else that I had a question about was rain. Comes from an affluent, well educated family.

His father is a surgeon or a doctor in a hospital setting well regarded and they said that rain also got into medical school. Yeah. And I was like, okay, wait, wait, wait, do we actually believe that brain was a smart cookie and could? Into medical school that character, okay? I thought read this as more of like a nepotism thing and I don't know how easy or difficult it is or was back then to do that to be like I'm the like chief of whatever of this

hospital. So my son's going to med school and the fact that it seemed like rains character didn't go to med school and didn't become a doctor to spite his father. So it wasn't even about like his smartness or lack thereof is not relevant. It was just like I'm here disappoint, my father bear. You know, it never occurred to me about the nepotism thing. Well I don't know if that's the thing, I don't know, but in the world of this, it could be like,

why not? You know, this lady Zara pregnant you don't need to actually like apply to med school. You can stuff your dad calling calling to to attend, but I don't know. I also feel like rains character is a little bit, had a little more Integrity than that, I don't know, maybe a maybe for med school. He was a little more serious and bit up for everything else, he's pretty goofy.

But, anyway, let's talk about Episode 1 because it starts with rain shirtless in bed which that sets the tone that sets the tone. For the whole show is like rain getting up and going through his routine as a celebrity and he has no privacy and he doesn't like when people are asking about his private life and who he's dating in the tabloids and all this shit. Like it's established that he wants some distance from the city and it's no surprise that

he gets this. He wants this house that's secluded and by this Lake and you know, There's no Paparazzi whatsoever at the house, the friends Swindle her and they sell they send her on the trip, the flight over to Chiang Rai. Oh my God, a comedy of errors. It's hysterical. What did you think of this sequence?

Well, okay vomiting on raid, the Mayberry thing Just one of the best meat cubes I've seen because it's Preposterous and it's unrelenting everything that she's doing on the flight is unacceptable to pretty much any standard. Like, it doesn't matter if you're a person who likes to dress up four flights or go in your PJs and take a fucking teddy bear with you, everything that she's doing is just bad, practice it on a flight. Right.

Reaching over him, asking for more food asking for this asking, if I attended for that and then getting ill enough to puke on him and because she is struggling. She's yeah, shoveling food into her gullet. And there is noticing her in-flight magazine and being like, hey, are you this? The celebrity guys that? Yeah. I'm on the shoulder. Like, is this you and he's like, bro, leave me alone. He was like, he pretends to go to sleep.

And she's like, okay, rude. And I'm like, Shut up like a song hye-kyo, please when she's tossing, the nuts up and she liked apples. Like, did you see that? I caught the knife, my mouth, get you scheduled it, with her mouth, the throwing up all over it for. She's like, looking at his customs, declaration car, trying to like, figure out how to do it. And he's like, like they're take as if they're taking a test in school, and she's copying him, and he's like, like leaning

over. It's so great. Like, you know, how that you put on those cards, like what address you'll be at in. Yeah, the cognac Landing in, I thought he was like, covering it because he was like this, this could be like a crazy psycho stalker fan of mine. So like, I don't know where, you know, where my address in Shanghai is going to be, so I'm covering it. Maybe I'm just too immersed in a, that's the truth. I so, you know, that's something that I didn't even think of that

his address might be on there. And he doesn't want her looking at it. I think she was just, it's not just that she's nosy. See, it's that she does. She's literally never been on a plane before. Never been out of the country before. So she doesn't know how to fill up the cup of what to put on the Customs card. But Chic Mom it's all over him because she Taps him and she's like I don't know if you know this was like my first time on a plane.

My first time flying. Did you know that you can swallow to get rid of like the pressure in your ears and he's listening to her just rolling. His eyes doesn't want anything. To do with her and she's like, watch me swallow like this and she likes to swallow pukes all over him. It's hysterical and his shock just like it's like shell-shocked. It's not even upset necessarily. He gets more upset later when he's trying to get the vomit out of a shirt. But oh my God, it's comedy gold.

I was recently in London a few months ago and they had this exhibit for the how you wave the Korean wave at the Victoria and Albert Museum in London. And one of the things they had it was like all this kdrama stuff and they had everything like Kpop kdrama and they had, they were just playing on a loop at the scene of them on the plane, but it wasn't like the whole thing because they didn't just to watch her projectile, vomit the whole time, but it was like her like a sitting down him

sitting down and her being like are you the celebrity? And they just kept. Yeah, I was like Full House and need to watch that. And so, So that was great to see you later. Oh my God. Yeah, it's such a good scene and really the hijinks that happens the sort of slapstick comedy is so common. I feel like now in the lighter kdramas especially not like the squid game. All of us are dead kingdom ones but the glory didn't have any of this but you feel me?

No her meeting her meet Q with the second male lead when they go to the hotel. She finally gets to the hotel, she stiffs, the cab driver. That was brutal to watch. I think you can possibly died of second-hand embarrassment from watching the show because everything, she the first episode of the show. Yeah. So she gets in there. Obviously there's no reservation at this nice hotel but the second male lead roles up. Start speaking Japanese on the phone.

And when he hangs up, he looks at her because they're both standing at the check-in counter and she starts. Talking to him in Korean thinking, he's Japanese and doesn't understand Korean. And she says stuff. Le why are you looking at me? Do you think I'm pretty? And I was like, shut up like, just shut up. So I'm gonna kill and he ends up helping obviously, they turned to her. The front desk girl goes. You have no reservation and she doesn't speak Mandarin English.

Oh, yeah, I know, was she Really started. And yeah. And then she's the front desk. Lady switch to English and she didn't understand either, right?

So then he swoops in and saves her and he starts talking in Korean, and I was like, oh God, this is so embarrassing and he helps her get the reservation set up because he's speaking to the different density in English, when he walks away, she's just like oh my God, she puts her head on the counter and just it was such a great moment and He walks away smiling, which is an even greater like even greater, right?

He's, he was just entertained and handsome and cute and I was like, oh my God. Yeah, I just love those meet cutes. I love that bit of episode 1 because it hooks you in, right away, right away. The first episode also had something that was really questionable because towards the end rain brings her to this dinner with the second female lead and the second male lead thinking that this is huge misunderstanding.

He thinks that some guy kill is the ex-girlfriend of the yeah of the best friend minhyuk, the second male lead and he gets upset that that's not the case she Said this made it seem like she was related to him so that he would give her money so she could get the hell back to Korea because he had no funds. And he motions to like hit her. Like he goes like this. Like raises his hand to hit her. And I remember this distinctly that she calls him out on it saying like, oh yeah.

Oh you're a real jerk and taunts him and goes like your hippie hippie. Go ahead like hit me. Yeah. And then boom, she headbutts him. Yeah. And he's like ah so I was like damn girl. Like yeah, she's like Shameless. Yeah. So to get into the more like a little bit into the more I guess. Poignant parts of her characters. She is an orphan her. Her parents died in an accident when she was in Middle School. She had to bring herself up in this giant empty house somehow

which they never fully. Explain how exactly that happened and then heard only two friends in the world like are jerks and so she doesn't care. Like she kind of has like, no F's to give. She doesn't care if you're a celebrity, she doesn't care about like you know kind of pretense. So when he's acting like that with her, she doesn't care. She's like, oh well go ahead and hit me. What do you do? Like doesn't have any could care less.

She's nothing to lose by being kind of tacky and she kind of is like, etiquette wise a little on the tacky side because I'm super tacky her. Yeah, yeah. At the 30 later, I think in episode 2, they go to like this launch party and she shows up and he's like, what are you doing here? Because they he'd refused to take her to the party. So she just shows up and she's eating at the buffet and she Drew she drops like chocolate or

something on her dress. Yeah. And he's like, she's like she was are filling up her plate to with like every everything from the buffet table, I like eating stuff from the buffet table, while also like trying to put on the plate with it. It was, it's a little it's painful. It's painful knowing why I cringe? It's a lot of Courage for us the

viewer. Yes, but she has, I mean, you touch on like her personality traits but I also think that she has a lot of Pride because when she finds out that rain has bought her house and he's living. Now in her house, he asks, her, if she's homeless and she never thought of it that way, that right now, she's Destitute and homeless and he tries to give her money out of pity.

He's like, just take this money and go and live your life and like figure out your situation and she takes this gesture so badly. She doesn't consider herself at all homeless and out of Pride. She rejects the money and storms out. So it's interesting to see how she, I mean, if I was in that situation and someone was like, here's a Wad of money for you to just get back on your feet. I'd be like, you know what? Thank you because I don't have a

penny to my name right now. They've cleared out my savings. She doesn't have a home, like she really didn't think it through and was had a bad temper about it. If whatever you want to call it and she storms out of the house. Yeah. But I think the fact that her late father built the house with his own, two hands and designed it and That's all she has of that family.

Yes that's all that's why she's like I'm not fucking leaving like a look like but then also my thing is she doesn't report the friends to the police know which would essentially start the criminal process because they committed a crime. Oh, I don't understand that either is like she has no, like she wants to stay in the house. She's imposing upon this guy who thinks that he bought the house fair and square.

When really it was fraud and like she doesn't remedy, try and remedy the situation in any legal way. I wondered about that too. I was like, is it? Because she doesn't have like legal funds, you know, for that or like what that would entail like. It's not as simple as you file, a police report and it's over.

You have to like, get lawyers involved you to like go to court all the time and she has to her a little internet writing to do wherever she makes money your, but it's whatever she does before this happens. So I wondered if that was and also the loyalty to like her friends, don't look, who has the, the guy, right, couple her, a couple friends, that that's her childhood friend. And maybe he did in some point in her life, like Out for her. And he/she does view him as

family. So she was gonna sell him out even though they sold her out, literally, she was going to sell him out. I don't know. That's that's just the thoughts. I had about that because I was so was like, can you sort this out a different way? But I think yeah that that whole thing is like a debacle to me is very baffling to see how she handled the situation. But one thing that I think is really nice about the show is in re watching it, I saw that rains character.

Youngjae started to like her almost immediately. Which I thought was very, I don't know it just made me really happy, you know, he kicks her out of the house and episode 2. Yeah. She catches a really mean fever, high fever and he takes care of her and he cooks her porridge and he lets her stay in the house and all this stuff. And then when she is pissed, after he offers her money, she goes down the street to the local bus stop and he watches her.

He is driving out for something in his little tiny Mercedes car. And he's watching her at the bus, stop, like annoyed, he's like annoyed when she mouths off at him, but then he wants her to be okay, and he's worried about her well-being and he sort of Tricks her into coming back to the house and be signing this weird agreement that says like oh I'm going to be your maid live-in. Maid and I'm going to work off like the value of the house or something like that.

It's really weird. Yeah, which he doesn't have to do all this. Yeah, I wondered like, I kept trying to think of reasons like their motivations for everything that they were doing, because honestly, the first few episodes I was just baffled. I was like, this is all happening too fast. Like she's, she's in Shanghai. And now she's like penniless and now she's back in Korea and now she's on this like double date and like all that's happening,

so fast. And so, with regards to like, why he wanted her around, like I think he liked her, like you said, because maybe the fact that she's so, like, it doesn't have pretension does not is not fazed by him being a celebrity and he That's refreshing for him because everyone's always like trying to grab his attention and impressed by him everywhere he goes and she's not really, and that she has her own Pride despite like he was like here, I'll throw money at this

problem. I could do to all my problems. Maybe and that didn't do anything for her and then my think he didn't want to be alone. Yeah, he wanted seclusion and all that he just didn't want to be alone alone. Hmm, yeah, exactly. I think he really craved that. Extra person because he's been alone for so long. He doesn't have a good relationship with his family, he eats alone and everything.

And so her is, she's livening up his life and even in episode 2, where he refuses to take her to the launch party. He gives her shitty ass script, to his manager at the party and is like, hey, like check this out and see if it's any good and even though he doesn't say like it's this lady that's living in

my house. It's where's this is her house and she's My live-in housemaid, he doesn't give any of that context, but he actually is trying to look out for her and trying to push her work forward and I was like, that's a huge step, you know, I think it humanized him because it's especially nowadays in kdramas when you see two balls or like, celebrities are powerful people characters. They're always, like, heartless, cold and horrible and youngjae

character is so humanized. He has this like whole bag is like, sad sob story backstory this thing with his family. His life isn't easy. I thought one of the really well-done scenes and your, the film critic. So you tell me, but was in episode 1, when he's going through the Press, call or whatever. The Press thing, like continuous lie, saying the same, like regurgitating, the same answers to the same questions to like various languages and like, kind of canned responses.

And his life isn't that great. Even though he is a celebrity and what most people especially 2004, perceived of as being like God, like or being like the luckiest man on Earth. He wasn't that. Yeah, I love that. Scene. I love that scene and it reminds me of a few were privy to the breast or of a star is born with Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper a little bit.

Okay, this is, I mean, this was a phenomenon, but because of the internet, this made the rounds of Lady Gaga doing the kick, and responsive it, whether there's a hon, if there's a hundred people in a room, all it takes is one person to be driving every time and it became so me mobile. Well, and so funny to hear these Super Cuts that people made of her saying the same freaking response over and over. It's real like that felt like a very real seen. Not only see him going through

modern day. Yeah, it always relied modern day. We have that context now that like the smoke and mirrors of being a celebrity is a lot more lifted. Now, compared in 2004 where, that might have been People's First Time, realizing what it's like to go through a press call like that, damn white. Eight. Right exactly. I completely agree with you that it did pull back the curtain a little bit and inform his character and see that he's

lonely. Yeah you know, poor little rain, pour a little rain, but don't feel too bad for him because he's like kind of a terror, the rest of them show a little bit of a tyrant. So I was confused about the second female lead because help, let's talk about anyone because I want is a freaking mess. Yeah.

Um, mess and she had feelings for minhyeok the second male lead, so there was a love square that was happening in the show for the bulk of it. If you're into love squares and good on you, this is a show for you this. So in episode 2, she is trying to assert her A feelings over. The second male lead over Min yolk and milk is not having it. He's like, I don't like you. I see you as a sibling, it's

not, we're not good together. I don't, you know, you don't really like me. He's challenging her feelings. And he says, also youngjae likes you young, she has feelings for you and it never occurred to her in all the years that they've been friends that she is, has friend-zoned like youngjae, I said, And so at this big party, she like aggressively and cruelly, confronts rain about his feelings and she's like do you like me in a very like maliciously?

You know, and challenges him to confess on the spot and that's when he goes He instead of actually you know, broaching the subject with her, he takes it badly and he says, I really like you. You and Ian and grab something that kills character and pulls her in for a kiss. And that's how the episode ends in this big. Like, oh my God, with all of these other celebrities and people in the industry and Paparazzi and media.

There he does. This huge gesture in front of everyone and declares he likes Han jieun. So it just spirals from there, the contract, marriage and stuff, which I don't know why they would jump to marriage after that. It's like, I think because, like, in conservative societies, it's hard to justify living together as a guy and a girl. Unless I gave more, I need like more backstory to be explained and they didn't explain like

anything. So I was just filling in my own life as far as what's going on, but that was my take on. It was like, they needed to like show like a legitimate reason to be living in this house together. Yeah, she's my live-in. Maid. In episode 3, she gets kidnapped basically by his estranged family. And she meets the grandma For the First Time, The Hominy and hungy and has no idea how to kowtow like the big bow, and it's funny, it's really funny.

And even now I think it's funny, the grandma is not happy that her parents are dead and that she's that she's 20. She's only T3. And that's what she says in the show that her character is also 23 show. She matches the age of the character in real life and I thought this was so refreshing. This is something we don't see in kdramas, nowadays, this overt Korean - right, like, what is the grandma so upset about, right? It's that he got engaged and she doesn't, she's never met this

girl before. He's never taken her by the house. He's never introduced her to the family. She's Going to become part of the family without having met them. And that's why she's upset because in their culture that's just frowned upon and then she comes and meets the elders. They kidnap her, like they're like, get in the car and the come. So, but anyway, she gets there. She's meeting the elders and she doesn't bow deeply and

respectfully enough enough. Yeah, she does this weird curtsy, which it's funny but it's all funny. Furnace is. Yeah. I know. She's super awkward and the Grandma's not Not happy about her being an orphan. And you're like, what gives, what does it matter that she's an orphan. So I will speak to this a little bit and again, I'm not Korean since this is a voice podcasting, but my family South Asian there from Bangladesh and in that culture was like arranged marriages and things

like that. Having a quote unquote good match is seems like, you know, you come from a comparably good or better than your family and families, marry each other. Like it's your family, marry their family, so they have to come from. Family. Having at least how I understand it. And this is again, my understanding I never lived in Bangladesh. So like I don't know, I'm talking about necessarily and this is like an old-school

thought. Anyway, I don't think this is something that is still a thing and I think Grandma represented definitely old school. Korean s versus whatever is going was going on 2004 and Beyond. But I know in my family of kind of heard here and there about like Marrying, an orphan can be considered if you buy into this old-school, frame of thought a bad thing because it's not like you come from a good family, you come from, no family, have

nothing. Being so you have no like title or lineage or this or that or I don't know. And I also kind of struggle to understand why that's like a quote unquote bad thing to that extent. I kind of realized or identified more with like the whole grandma getting upset that we don't even know this girl, you never introduced her to us, like, how, you know who is she like, how can we meet her now? Like this?

And we have to hear about this after you're engaged or whatever, but, but yeah, there is possibly a school of thoughts and again, consult a Korean person. Because I don't know that marrying into an orphaned person's life, I guess. She's they don't have much of a family. The, in this show, she didn't have like extended family, either like, Aunts Uncles or anything. So she's just her alone. So there's nothing to go off of. You don't know if she's like from a good family or not. Exactly.

Yeah, I think that's exactly what the case was was that she doesn't have people like she doesn't have people to back her up. She doesn't have people to teach her right from wrong and that's why I think in a lot of older shows. Especially when kids are orphans or when people are young people are orphans. They're like no they're just going to be a bad influence because they have nobody at home. That's keeping them in check. You also have no one to reflect

back. Like what kind of person you may be? So if I'm meeting you for the first time and I don't have any contacts, you're not like my father is a judge or like, my mother was a schoolteacher like that. You kind of start to formulate like, oh, you, you're probably maybe motherly because your mother was a schoolteacher. So she's probably with kids and you can formal these little background. Sera, Sera. And if you are someone who doesn't have parents or were you were not raised by parents.

You'd there's nothing for you to go off of to judge you. And unfortunately that's what they want to do is like judge. I also do know that in Korea they used to do arranged marriage through like the 90s, all those like not uncommon. So I think all that combined was just like showing its ugly head at this in this episode. Yeah. And throughout the show whenever she visits the in-laws, there's different things that are so Korean. It's so much Steeped in their culture that you feel.

And I still feel like this show had no idea that it was going to be seen by anybody outside of Korea. And that's a nice. I feel like that's a nice feeling to see. Like the raw, this is was intended. Not for me. And I'm gleaning so much from it. I'm getting so entertained by it. I love these characters and I'm learning, right?

I'm learning about their culture, I can look things up the same thing happens later in the show where they come back from their honeymoon, which We will talk about the honeymoon, but they come back and they go over to the house. After getting a really mad call, like, they call over and the in-laws are pissed or like, what get over here right now. Why aren't you at the house? Why don't you come visit us and hungy and comes over and she's wearing regular clothes.

And the grandma says, like, how is she? Why is she here in regular clothes? She should be wearing hum book. Which again this is part like I'm like oh my God like this is very creepy and right, we don't get this in recent dramas where it doesn't necessarily matter that the newly married, couple, go to visit the parents and they the bride is wearing hum book and they bring this traditional dinner for them to eat and stuff like that.

That is all there. That's all culture that were not getting any more in kdramas because they there Building these kdramas and making them for an international audience. Don't I don't think they do that because I can tell you in Bangladesh. There's not as many people walking around in like sarees and stuff. So right right there are for sure.

But I mean like the whole like like a ceremonious like I need to greet my grandmother-in-law with like home-cooked, traditional dishes that proving how well I cook in traditional outfits knowing like, showing I know how to dress like, how to be a traditional quote unquote, good girl. Like that's like a whole ceremony as thing and I don't know that anyone's doing that anymore. Right, because it's 2023. However, in 2004, I feel like they were still on the cusp of this, right, right.

This era of like new school and the old ways and the grandma keeps saying daughter showed that they need if she needs to move in with them so that they can teach her things and I'm like, what are they trying to teach on Jian and they're talking about cooking cleaning that the family ways to societal rules, these sort of ceremonial things that she has no idea because Living in Full House by herself for most of her life.

And now in Korea you don't need like the emphasis on that as much because everyone works outside of the home, right? Both men and women people are like ordering you know, ubereats or whatever, the Korean version isn't that coupon eat coupon

eats to their home for food. They're not like cooking a bunch of stuff and wearing Han Buck here and there so that's why we don't see it now I think and it's I think you're right, you hit on something which is that this turn this Millennial kind of show where there's still kind of got one foot in like traditional. Well, Korean stuff. That was more important back then and old-school style thinking versus This Modern because like the mom does it, rains mom or the characters mom? She's not.

Yeah, she doesn't care as much. She's just like they're just let them be happy. It's fine. If they don't visit us right after their honeymoon like it's just she's took a peacemaker, she's very sweet and caring and she'll cook anything that that hungy and likes and prefers food-wise. But she's really Just a product of, you know, being subservient to her mother-in-law this

grandmother character. So she's just going along with whatever she's want, sirs complaining about but she's not, she's not believing the right stuff. Yeah. No, she's not into that. Yeah, the in-laws playing go stop as well. My God so cute. I was like, this is a dorm. I miss this stuff seeing this. Is that she endured her.

I mean, she kind of grew up seemingly without grandparents without elders, and she fits so well into a family and it was, like, kind of heartbreaking when you stop to think about. Like she didn't have this kind of familial like we're just going to informally play go-stop or like a guest America, play Monopoly, or whatever. It is like family game night stuff. But she fits in so. Well despite her like kind of tackiness her kind of unpolished

you know presentation. She's just like a super endearing and real person and ears every herself to everyone. Yeah. Yeah, she becomes Three Bears to the family because when she gets up with see these, fantastic, they're like you didn't bring any gifts to us after the honeymoon. And she was like, well, I prepared a gift for you guys and then she goes, I brought a song for you guys. I prepared a song.

So she stands up and performs this children's song about the three bears, and there's the look on their Her face when she finishes the song. It's just seared In My Memory because it's so funny. And they're shocked that she's like so childish and almost like it. She has to be joking. But she's not. She was completely sincere. Right? Oh God. So then they call her three bears for the rest of the ship. Three Bears is coming over. I called three bears and it's so great.

Yeah. Also, one other thing that I thought was like, oh man, we don't see this in kdramas anymore is hungy and Prix rains finger after he nearly chokes on, like bibimbap that he would, he made fun of her for eating bibimbap and then later he's alone in the house, she's not obviously there to cook for him and he creates his own bibimbap bowl and she walks in on him, stuffing his face with this bowl. He starts choking on it so indigestion, right? This was a thing like this is an

old wives tale, right? Where are like, maybe it's related to to like Eastern medicine. Yeah, exactly. Where if you have indigestion or stomach issues, you prick your thumb and it just solves the issue. So I don't. Yeah, I mean, that God, right? Exactly, so when I saw that, I

was like, holy shit. When was the last time I saw someone prick, somebody's finger in a kdrama with, for getting rid of stomach issues like that, was that Kind of stuff that I was very excited to see, again, everything she did. And again, I am an over-thinker. So, I was just overthinking all the stuff but, like the singing, the three bears and using these kind of old remedies old wives tales type remedies.

I think it's just everything. She remembered her parents doing in the short time, they were with her is what she just kept like modeling. So she's like, I know this nursery rhyme, they sing to my parents and then they unfortunately passed away by the time I reached like adolescence and I can do these like really old school remedies. But But because that's all that she had time to witness them

doing for her. And and so she takes the care and whatever she had from her family for the short time that they were there and and kind of like puts it back out in the world, every she goes like, yeah, hon. Jian is such a cute. So I took cute character. Truly episode were jumping back to episode 3 because we were jumping around with like the Korean this stuff. But in episode 3, she tries to run away from the wedding which

I found really. Kind of funny like The Runaway Bride thing, because she fights with him, and it's like, I'm not getting married to you. Why am I doing this? And she goes over to her. Swindler friends is Jump of a house to get away and they trick her into going to the wedding venue which humbly. I was like, wow, she's really stupid and gullible but I love to see the wedding scene because

his dad is really sweet to her. And he tells her that she looks beautiful and that, you know, his boy is short-tempered, but he's a good kid. Please take care of him and he walks her down the aisle since she literally has no family and I found that. So just emotional. And even though the show is unserious, like we said before this moment was really nice. Okay, but that wedding dress,

though, ugliest wedding dress. I have ever seen the back of it looked nice because it had the long back, the long train and stuff and then you look at the front and I'm like, what is going on? O.o girl like 2004 I was like, I don't know what is happening. Like it was short and there was a lot of like loose lace or something. Yeah, not a little remedy things. Yeah, I don't even know. 80s in the front. Yeah, I don't think in the back. I was like, girl they did you

dirty with this wedding? Because she did pick, it was all just sort of arranged for her but then you get the honeymoon scene. Yeah I frickin love honeymoon. It is so. So the Thailand honeymoon so he says they should work out their fight, they fight. Oh, they're always fighting and obviously they're not sharing a bed and so She's like, where am I going to sleep? And he says that she's gonna sleep outside and island in the summer and she's like, I'm not sleeping outside.

So they have a little fight and she says, they that they should work out there fight like grown-ups and he starts like, unbuttoning his shirt and insinuate insinuates that he wants her. And she gets totally smooth spooked and she like Falls overboard at some point like he has to say we're good. She can't Swim. I'm like this is never ending. It's called someone likes comedy set piece after another of course he saves her life and it looks like she's drowning in a cup of water, though.

Like the water level is not very deep. Well, there's two scenes of fighting over the bed because in the like yacht or whatever and then also the yes, guest houses and then the get right? And then in the actual house that Yeah, they're staying at a bun. I like this moment to is when after he saves her, he feels her forehead to gauge if you see if she's got a fever because she was sick before. So he knows that she's prone to these high fevers or whatever and she just got completely

submerged. So I like it. He's caring for her in like his own way. Yeah, I also like the fight over the bed when the actual bed in there that it's that one is that was so funny, all-time all-time. Yeah, yeah, there's Rolling around like yanking covers and like, you know, like trying to like, hog the bed. Yeah. Because he says seductive seductively that they can share the bed and she's like no goes outside and she calls his, she gets mad and comes back inside,

calls. His bluff isn't how much she knows like the first bug experience of the show. Yes. There was like bugs outside in Thailand in the summer and she comes back and she's like I'm not sleeping outside. So she tasted like, rips off. Her little tiny sweat shirt that she was wearing and she gets in the bed with him and she's like, haha, I'm not that easy to like, you know. Yeah, he starts. Then he gets mad and rips off their shirt, which I'm like, here we go, shirtless rain again.

Yay! Yay. And he takes off his. I'm sorry. He takes up the most space on the bed. Yeah. And then he tries to like me, they're like size difference is so comfortable to. He's tiny and very tricky. He's like bus and he's like quite tall and it's just so comic comic all the watch them fighting and on the bed. Right? It's great. I really like, it's not like weirdly sexual or suggestive is. No, it's not. Yeah. It's like like, like our youth, your brother over like space on the bench.

Exactly. That's exactly the dynamic that they have. Even though it turns romantic that the early episodes especially feel like they're just fighting siblings. Yeah. Or cousins or something more. Cousins or something. It's Yak, yeah, it's just comedic tension, not sexual tension. Even though rain is shirtless and she's got a tank top on that. I don't feel like anything lead because especially if you're in 2004, living in Korea and you love rain, or you at least are

aware of how famous and popular. He is, and he's like out here getting shirtless, but then they're playing off this like Laurel and Hardy comedy thing like, during during all this, I think that was like really that was the part where I was like they're they're both acting pretty well here like in those, yeah. Mhm! He teaches her how to ride a bike. Oh my God. Which I just there's something

about this. That really just scratches in it. It's funny when they're in Thailand because he's like why can't you get it? You're so dumb. Like, why can't you ride a bike? But then she starts wailing, like a kid when she falls off the bike and he goes, stop crying. I'll buy you ice cream and she's like, do you think I'm a child? To just, you can just placate me with ice cream cut to. She's happy as a clam eating her ice cream and they have this nice day out. On the town, where she's riding

behind him on the bike. He's obviously riding the bike and they fall asleep on the Park Bench. Overlooking the ocean Sunset and I'm just like, this is it right here? Like, if you weren't invested before this, you you Should be invested by episode 3 with like then because it's not like enemies. Two lovers where they're just being like hateful to each other in a way that's so cynical. They are like obnoxious to each other and they're like bickering the whole time, but it's not.

So like, I don't know. For me, I sort of don't like the lovers are enemies to lovers kinds of plots because it's, so it's just tired. And even in this show, I think there were moments where they got tired how much they were bickering until they were. But for these the First episodes kind of nice and they don't and it's also not like a Hi. I'm pining for you secretly and you don't know it.

And now we're like, you know like little some one of them is looking longingly at the other is just like just a really good like it's genuine comfortable. Yeah they're getting more comfortable with each other and they're like genuinely like getting to know each other and like each other at the same pace which is kind of nice to watch. Yeah yeah. So from then on it just becomes basically record skip of a show because it'll be fight after fight after huge fight.

He comes. I'm late, doesn't tell her he loses his wedding ring and she gets upset over and over again. And it's a just them making up with each other. It's the cycle, you know, fight the makeup, and then they fight and make up over and over again. Did you have certain moments that you really liked throughout the rest of their sort of like relationship where they get divorced? Look at her? But of course a glow up. We need to what we talked. That later oh yes.

Yes we will glow up. Um but I have in my notes for young day who is played by rain, I wrote never not shouting an actor but has very little to do for some reason at an editing meeting today. Wrote squatting at her house. Essentially, he's a millionaire, you can literally live anywhere else. So a necessary. So that was like some of my hot takes where I was just getting pissed situation. So so let's talk about each each note. So the first one is Were not yelling. Yeah, rain.

I mean I've Seen Rain and other things, obviously he can remote in different ways and not just holler the whole time. He is literally blowing out the mic. Every time he's yelling and the freaking Echo. That's in the house. Yeah. Unbelievable. How much he's yelling in the show insults, like like really Petty, but like so repetitive just honestly gets annoying where he's like calling her his little rice cooker. The me like kicking the pie.

Yes, yes, like the chicken, the chicken or whatever. Like I don't know. Like she was getting so mad and I was like, on her side because I was like, this is annoying. She's like your brain doesn't work your brain. Like he is going to be calling her stupid. But like he kept saying, like something like you're messed up in the head. I like he kept saying like that and I was like this is so Tiresome right?

Which is why I say it just becomes this repetitive thing over and over again and it just depends on the strength of the individual like thing that they're fighting about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I need to go back though it's and I don't know if this is the right time to get to hey Lon because this is the right time to get better. So let's talk about guys bitch. You're so she is the second second female lead.

She is this prissy spoiled SS. And when she doesn't get attention, she is liable to just put herself in the hospital with some bogus psychosomatic illness. Yes, yes, she's physically making herself ill and its really annoying. That at first, she had these on, she could not detach herself from her feelings toward Min yolk and then lo and behold, he rejects her repeatedly and then she's all of a sudden like I like, you and Jay.

Yeah, and I guess that's like the appearance of thicker afraid, her name in the show, her character, like, suddenly makes her piston-like pimp competitive. And, like, I need young day to, yes, like me again. And then she's like, upset, like both cases, shoes, weirdly obsessed. She's really fixing. I'm in hyuk that she's really obsessed with youngjae and I need like more backstory on this because like nothing they were

saying, made sense. It's like, he's, like, I need rain is like, I needed to protect her and I used to buy her ice cream. And I'm like, what? Like they're talking. He's like, this is my first love but it's like Like stories from the second grade. It's not like junior high or High School were like a lot more like romantically feeling to be happening. So right. I was like I don't Justice.

I don't get this. Like remember that time that you bought me ice cream after I got pushed to the ground by that kid in third grade. And I'm like, flirt grade. How do you live 25 years old? Why do you talk about third great for? It wasn't weird because it was, there's nothing. There's no stories from like it. I think an American stories, you hear like it sixth grade summer camp or like Junior High dance or like high school whatever.

They're talking about literally Elementary School way, way way before puberty and and not to say those that's on a valuable time in people's lives but this like hold on each other that they have is so weird right based on nothing, the childhood and then he promised her to be with her somewhere to always be there for her because she used to get scared as a child

sometime. Yeah. And he's like well, I'll protect you and it almost seemed like she was a substitute for his sister who passed away his little sister passed away from. Yeah. I'm assuming cancer because they mentioned she liked his new hair. And yeah, ill and he that's also why he's like a kind of in a fight with her dad. I think his own dad. I think because his dad was a

doctor but couldn't see her. See ya Grudge there and so, as since he couldn't save his sister, he's trying to save Halo on and that's why he's stuck on her. But that was also like a weak sauce kind of story to me. Yes, yeah, that long when you have more like story, right? Better, reminisce about, right? And then same thing with minhyuk where he was, he was seemed like he was close with many have, but then, at the same time, it's like, I don't know.

When men, whose birthday is and I'm like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? You don't know what menu, looks like a 30 year old man. How do you not know since childhood, if you've been friends minhyeok? Okay what has been hectic? Because he's like media Mogul, he's in the screen. Publishing, wait, one thing at a time. It's not because I'm not done with him on because I'm sorry I I'm not done with this girl.

So hey one she just I mean at one point I think in episode 5 she's having this pity party and it's in this case. She goes to like a bar or something, she's drinking her feelings and youngjae goes over to the console her and be with her. And just sort of listen to her issues because he's the sure The Crying Shoulder always. For her. And he and I mean, jung-jae ends up standing up, don't kill his character but that's a separate

issue. And one says, I feel like dying Because our second male lead minhyuk said that she doesn't love him. She just wants to possess him. And I was like minhyeok Bravo because she if I mean the truth hurts. Yeah it's not it's absolutely true that her love was all about infatuation and possession and that's why when suddenly youngjae was unavailable to her because he got married. She was like, oh, she's been taken from me? Yeah, she was entitled to him. It's like her. But yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Super toxic. Super rude. So I don't like him. One seemed like she liked him in heck. I don't know if this I was reading too much into this, but I still like minhyeok is like a status thing to like she didn't really even know him that well and was look at this like Dapper dashing like I speak three languages and I have like you know, the CEO all these companies or whatever he's doing and she just wanted like the idea of him and that's maybe why

he was also kind of like no bro. Like it's not happening. Yeah. She's like Cloud chasing. Yeah. And then I she works in fashion has like zero clients other than than Reigns. I was like, what up, what a burn. Wow, what an observation? Yeah. Absolutely. She had no other celebrity clients except for youngjae and every time every single time that we see her working, she's just fiddling with the clothes on the rack. Like, what the hell was she even

doing? What she just looking at the clothes, every time you see her at work, which is often they reuse this set a lot? Yeah, she's just looking at clothes, just browsing the racks. And then if someone walks up and is like, hey one, she's like, oh, hey, what are you doing here? Yeah, she also looks to them like, all right, there, youngjae youngjae. Okay, and like, who else comes here? Like I don't understand. Yeah. And then does she own this shop?

Or is she an amazing stylist, a designer. But I think she's a style like the car designer. Like that's her story and her designs, but I was like, I don't know, I don't know, like that one sad rack and not much else.

I need a couple of Because they show a few other rocks, but not that much, because not like this popping League or, yeah, I don't know what it is. Yeah, she lost a lot of points for me when she had the psychosomatic illness, and then she starts in on ji Ahn, sung-ki kills character, and she insinuates that she's out of his League. Yeah. But then she hides the wedding ring, don't forget that part. Yeah. Oh God. I'm so I said that wrong. She insinuates that he's out of her League.

Yes. Yes. And that they've been friends a long time. That's not about to change because he's married now and she full-on steals the wedding ring that he leaves behind at her place of business and huge huge. Like I don't think she could come back from that. But yeah, well I I thought this for both ginni and Dong-wook Who are the Mary like unmarried common-law married like about to have a non-existent baby people. Yes, it could. Hey, I want that. They are all three of them are so crazy.

Crazy lie. Brazen like you're going to steal your best friend's house and sell it to someone from cash like Fast Cash and you're like, unapologetically showing up every five seconds, that's those two. And then, hey, one trying to, like come at this, married woman, it doesn't matter how, or what, circumstances under, which they're married or like, what you think about whether or not she deserves him. Like it was just Brazen and that. Yeah, see of these people.

Killing me. Yes, I agree completely but we got some good moments because of these people. And here's two of my favorite ones.

So for the two best friends, who should be shot, they get into a huge fight with rain because they show up at the house looking for home girl, and she's not in, so they just stay until she comes and he's like, okay, do what you do as you please and goes upstairs, leaves them to their own devices on the first floor and they start eating up. The pantry like she's chopping up fruit as if it's her own house and he's trying on rains close. Yeah, they're opening rooms opening closets. Yes.

It's going through. Its, it's Bedlam. So he catches them downstairs, doing all this nonsense in there try. He's got his reins clothes on and my God race. She's Like Rain celebrity clothes are a whole atrocious, the best in the tight teeth and stuff. I don't know. Anyway, so the he I think rain insults them. He's like, what are you doing? Starts yelling at them. Rightfully, so and he calls them beggar. What kind of Beggars are you guys?

And the bitch starts throwing hands and was like, how dare you talk to my hug? Dear, you like, touch my husband and stuff like that. And starts hitting up on rain and hit, like she comes home home girl song, hye-kyo. Gets home at that, exact moment and the utter look of joy and relief on rains face when he pops up and sees her there and smile. It's It's the smile that lights up his face. I love that moment. I made a tick tock video about because I loved it so much.

And she takes his side. She's like, why won't you get your hands off? My husband and walks up and gets in their faces. And what does she say? I think the pregnant lady tries to block her husband from so many kills character comes in, pretty, odd, and she goes, are you the pregnant friends? Like, are you take? I can't believe. Taking your husband's side and she's like, yeah. So what and they cut terrains face and rains like oh my God, she's like taking my job.

I right. It's like such a cute moment. He's like, ordering her around the whole time. Be like, hugging me? This cook me that and clean this to clean that. And it's kind of, really annoying at that point. But then this is like her domain finally, where she has the upper hand and she has the power. These are her friends, she can get overly friendly and familiar with them because they are her literal friends and he's like, I'm just try not to hit a pregnant lady.

You know. Like he's like right right. But it was I really loved that moment to because she gets a chance to like be in her own like in that moment and stand up for him and her and likes kind of solidify their this like weird relationship that they're building even though they're calling you like husband-wife. That's not their relationship. You know obviously. But yeah. How dare you touch my husband? Like I just appreciate that.

I never took care about marriage until now like the like the like that is sanctity of marriage until now until now Right. Yeah. How dare you touch her husband Todd? Are you get your fucking hands off of me? And then she scratches his face to like he has a little a little cut in space teaches. Did you cut that? You cut this hell, you Stars face or something like that. Like she says, how dare you touch his face? Yeah, it's great.

And then she puts ointment on his little, on the little cut on his face and he loves it. He's like, right now, I'm right here. Likely And that's not. What's up bickering? And it was a full house. My favorite room was their bathroom.

Oh yeah. Cause that's where they're always like having these like moments of for they usually don't fight in the bathroom or if they do it's like very Petty like like I like you but I hate you kind of fighting the there's like this intimacy there that they there's no other way for them to express their feelings more than the bathroom because it's like, oh I don't know if they necessarily literally do this. But like let me hand you this tube of toothpaste or like whatever.

Like this is your child is my towel. That kind of stuff. So I really liked their moments in the bathroom, which was it will be early pivotal place, right? Yeah. And the kitchen to like the kitchen, the dining table, I guess. Yeah. Where the two big places? Because obviously, when she whenever she threatens to move out, or she believes for the night or she's out or something, he will look at her toothbrush and he's like, oh, I miss her, like he.

Yeah, the bathroom is a good place and so is the dining room table. I love the moment with with what after he realizes that his ring is missing and he confesses that he lost his wedding ring to her. She, he feels extremely guilty and even though he's sort of like yelling still and he's like, don't get on my case. Like if I forgave you for losing that recorder, that I bought you for your birthday, you can

forgive me for doing this. This thing to, for losing my wedding ring, and I'll buy another one. Don't worry, it's coming, it's on the way. She draws on a wedding ring on his little hands. Oh my God. I was like mad at myself for liking that so much. I was like, they got me, they got so good. They got me, I love that scene.

It's so cheesy, but I love it and the way she backs into it, she's like, you know, I found the ring today, I just found it today and he's like, oh my God, where was it? And she goes, give me your hand and she starts drawing on the Ring and he's like, oh like what are you doing? It's so good. It's so childish. And yes, the way they like go about it and it's sort of refreshing because sometimes what happens is is you just

heard he ducked event. Yeah, it's yeah, it's not that but it's still so good to not have that for once. I know it's almost I don't know, this is a very rated PG even if that rated G romance and I'm Eating it up, it's so adorable. And their moments are really pure when they're good, it's good. And when it's bad, it's really annoying. But you know they're just a

couple of kids. I kept saying that in my head when I was watching was there just a couple of kids like they're they don't know what they're doing. They're in the early 20s they don't give it. They don't know how to love somebody. They don't know how to express their feelings.

And that's the major thing about the show is that if you even if If you're getting frustrated that they can't just talk to each other, they have to have their own like immature, complexes that prevent them from doing that, it's weird to that.

They both kind of understand each other when they pick up on these signals, when he's like, for now and talk to me by writing a note on the fridge or whichever one, you know, and there they connected or like when someone comes home, late and I go where you were, you waiting for me? Are you pissed off right now? And like you know they can tell like something up, but then like especially rains character youngjae Doesn't know his own mind.

He's like so torn between Halen and daeun but then she's like a lot less confused about it. And yeah, I thought that was like, very like, like, Angry Young Man of them, you know, like, he doesn't know. Like, he's so confused. These he can't emotes and all this other stuff, he's emotionally mature is generally immature, but I just liked the way. They portray the communication, the fact that you could tell the, she's picking up, what he's

putting down, basically. And though, he doesn't even know what he's putting down, right? It was great, right? I like that scene where they go visit Hawaii. One in the hospital because he's running sprinting to her bedside. And she, he doesn't need to say a word. She knows just by looking at his reaction, to the news that she's in the hospital, and seeing him Sidle up to her at the hospital. And just so concerned over her well-being, just completely cut up about heroin, she's like, oh,

he likes her. You know, and I'll let me wait to go in the room. Let me just make myself scarce because this is who he really wants. And, no, words are said, right? Nothing is in the, this is all acting, right? This is not, you know, dialogue, right? And this is why it kind of what I was doing to before we're like, they didn't need to rely on flashy sets or a lot of different like on location shoots to convey a bunch of like, get your emotions turned up. It was like Kind of cerebral.

You're like in their minds. Like there there's a lot of things were there alone sitting in that big empty house. Having like yeah, thoughts about each other and like, you know, they show a little bit of like, you know she's thinking of him or he's going to her like it's more even in their face when they fly in a pan back to their faces. And that moment just sitting there alone in the house, you

can see it in their face. So I think both of them did a great job and they the directors and stuff. Did a great job of making that come through. Yeah. Did you like the movie theater date? That happened early on? So here's the thing I thought, Thought it was cute because he had to come in after the movie started left before the movie ended, this whole hullabaloo because he's a celebrity.

But the clip the clip that was shown of what they were, what I was like, it's been Helsing with first of all, I think it was a trailer from for Van Helsing. Okay. And then when the movie starts going and Rain sits down, the music is clearly Spider-Man. Like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man. And I was like, holy shit. That's Danny. Elfman score from Spider-Man. So it, like threw me for a loop. Because I could not get into the scene without thinking Tobey Maguire's also in the room with it.

Exactly. Exactly. Imagine. Oh my God. Yeah. Did you have other moments that you really liked before we kind of get to the divorce? Yes, I really liked. I know, we're kind of tabling minhyeok a little bit, but I just liked. How oh, yes, no, let's talk about him. I'm sorry. Yes, I forgot to go back to him. Sure. Sure, I know they were like, oh,

he's a player. He said this, he said that, but like he was soda me and maybe I'm being fooled, but genuine with his affection for because I think it was mostly affection, really are like he found her endearing and it was last like, something weird or creepy. But G on that when she was like, she's like I'll buy you dinner. I'll buy you spaghetti. Like okay. Sure. You like it was like, are you serious?

Like he's like having all these important fancy meetings and you know, meetings of Shanghai and meetings and wherever and doing Going to America and she's like, I'm gonna treat you at this. Like all you can eat spaghetti place. The spaghetti joint. He's like cool. Sounds good. And he like, lets her do it. He just like, lets her like, be who she is, and how she is, which is such a nice change. From youngjae it constantly berating her. Like why did you cook this like

this? And why did you do this like this? And I need you home by this time I hurry up because of my term. You're like yeah yeah I really it was a bad case of like second lead syndrome like you should have gone with him sometimes with sometimes because up for this This is something that I don't know how the show managed to do. Maybe it's just the power of rain in this role, but for such a bossy, Road screaming match, kind of male lead. I never wanted her to go with

men, yoke. I was always like, no, it has to be rain. I know he's an emotionally stunted and can't express himself at all and he's constantly making the wrong decision coming home late, standing her up. And God knows what else. And It despite all this I'm like it's him or nobody because like there's these are the only one who's a match for him, you know? Like there's no one else like on the planet. Who could be a match for youngjae's character? Right. Because lot, but logically

minhyeok is such a great option. Oh, yeah. What I, okay. So, this away my prom with minhyeok was similar to like the lack of Baxter for him on which is like, why is he following this girl to Spaghetti Factory? Like go get another like millions of other girls that you can hang out with? She is nice, it's so bright and she's a bad writer. He craps her into a good writer.

He's constantly critiquing her work and making her think about her her writing and the craft of doing a screenplay and all that crap. So he's taking mentoring her and she's so criminally unsophisticated and that's okay I guess but like then just be platonic I don't know this like trying to like win her over and like get her to see him. The way she could tell she was seeing Hong Kong Jay. Yeah, get it. I was like, why are you doing that? And let's choose a body.

She seems so young compared to him, too. Yeah. Like unworldly young immature. All these things and he knows he's like, got really Savvy. I know I was trying to also decide if I thought he was a player or not even though we never really see him like dating there was at. Okay, so there was only one scene where he was with, hey, one in a bar and he goes that you see that girl over there, she She basically said she wants me and like, gets up and lie. Like goes to talk to this other

girl at the bar and leaves. Hey, one hanging, and that was the only indication that maybe he slept around, maybe he had multiple women or something, but when he was with Hunty and she was completely sincere, and I love the birthday date that he goes on with her, or he tells her, that he does have feelings for her and that most girls like him, which I thought was a little funky. Him to say he was like, most girls really liked me. And he says, please like me,

too. I'm thinking I'm thinking of how to take you away from youngjae. And he tells her out, right? Like, I'm looking to steal you away from youngjae. I know that he likes. Hey Juan, I know there's issues. I know the Contract Marriage situation, like the berating constant Brooke. She he was mistreating her young. Yeah. So Min hyuk was, like, you deserve better. I could. Yeah, you could be better off with me. It said, Surah.

So yeah, and he says likes him a lot, but I know there's something about it that didn't sit right with me. And there's something about rain that I was like, that's the one, that's the one that she did. So, I don't know what it is. It's really bizarre. It is because it's bizarre and I wonder why she like charged him in yet because I can kind of see how she Charmed rains character youngjae because John Jay was used to like everyone just like falling all over themselves for

him. But many of them eniac a little bit of that to mean you is like too cool for all that so that when he still pursued her after a while, I was like I don't understand why your soul I It is, is like we said before rain and some guy kills character, they're just a couple of kids. And maybe it's the fact that it's feels like, you know, this is a side note but my parents got married when they were real

young, 20 years old, right? This is unheard of today, like people get married when they're older today, just that's the trend and they have these crazy stories of them being young and married. And I'm like, y'all were just stupid together and like, growing up together. And going to college together. And it was very like their stories felt in a real way, like the vibe of Han Jian and youngjae together where they're just in this hot, they're playing house with that without the sex part.

Like they're just like exact you digging around together all day long and fighting and learning how to make up with each other. He learns that she likes flowers. So he gets her flowers and, you know, it's very much a learning to be together. Her story for them and growing together and growing together and minhyeok is a straight meant, like a straight-up. A man, he's already done cooking. He's don't write, he's an adult. He's not a kid by any stretch, you know, so maybe that's right.

Sure. Yeah and it just doesn't click, it's even more. Why I'm like, why are you so hot stock on her because I feel like that plot line of him trying to pursue her went a little too long because at first it made sense. She's cute. She's endearing. He's like got this like kind of

vibes. With her and terms like wanting to help her improve her writing seeing potential in her, but then he just kept doing it for like a little too long for me was like, why are you still like hanging around sniffing around her? Let it go. Let it go. Yeah, I think it's towards the end of the show that we see some growth with rains character.

And I love this conversation that they have at the dinner table in episode 11, where now we have minhyeok like trying really hard to win over hon Jian. And Reigns character says, now that I think about it. I don't think I've ever bought you a decent meal. I always stood you up Gian if you want to be with Min hyuk,

you should date him. You don't have to ask me since the contract doesn't dictate, how you should feel our marriage is just business but your heart isn't your heart belongs to you. Who knew that youngjae was so woke. So yeah. Feminist is says, he's like, you know, I I'm post pretty shitty to you. Yeah. And many oak is over here. Buying you luxury meals, and taking you out and the types of dates that you like to go on or just like window shopping and

out in the town and stuff. And he does that with you, he gives you what you want. He's there for you and supports why I liked minhyeok so much like she's like Like I just don't eat Street dog bulky. And look at through like she window shop and he's like cool. Yeah. And he liked so much of their marriage is youngjae just being pissed off at her for something or another and it is so

emotionally. It's such an emotional like lightbulb moment for him when he's like, oh yeah, you're like a person with feelings and interesting, right? For me to order around, yeah, it's it's nice to see that growth and for him to try and be the bigger person and say. I have no claim to you, you know, which is huge. As I mean, even if this was written today, I'd be like shook

about this. What I'm saying that I was kind of joking about him being so like you know, emotionally woke early emotionally in touch with like I mean I'm kidding but like you know what I mean? Like he's he's got this awareness that even in today's scripts is what you want us here in Chase, real life, hmm. You know, communication with people, you want to see them realize this, that, that your I am not in charge of you, you're not in control of your feelings.

And that's not what this is. So you're entitled to your feelings, and you're entitled to your real, whatever your real heart is, right, right? So things spiral out of control, there's some crazy rumors about Jian being a gold digger, basically, and the family finds out about the contract marriage, and this is episode 14. Like I'm skipping way ahead. Okay, at this point had one has like, relinquished your claim

on? Jane's character because she realizes that he has deep feelings for hundun and hygiene was like going to go to the Venice film festival or something with many oak and she turns right around. She's like I can't go imagine that.

That would have been amazing. Yeah I would have had been in today's script she would have gone and they would have been at the Venice Film Festival, you know, they would have gone done the overseas shoot and everything but so she comes back home and there's this This whole misunderstanding because rains character sees them outside at the house not at the Venice Film Festival. He comes back to the house drunk and sees them together and he's like oh she loves him or they're

there they have a relationship going. Yeah I thought the most heartbreaking part of them breaking up and pause and getting the whole divorce. Was her breakup with the family, her in-laws 100%. Oh my God, that was heart wrenching. Oh my God tattoo. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry to interrupt you, is that I am reading this one book about Korean women's rights movements and the Gold Digger part.

And I don't remember what the word they used in Korean, but apparently, and I'm sure more so 20 years ago, but being a gold digger being pursued gold digger. As bad as it is in. America seems like a hundred times worse, maybe in Korea. And again, I'm not a creative person. So take it with a grain of salt

and I read one book. So I'm not trying to say this is exactly true, but it's actually like kind of Of social, I don't want to use the word suicide but I don't know what other word to use for its to like, you know, for that kind of thing to come out that you're in a contract marriage with a celebrity and being perceived as a gold digger, it's extremely damaging to women's reputations in Korea or and again like 20 years ago

more. So so that the family thinking that of her because I just read that when I got to that part I was like, oh no, this is like more even more worse than maybe we're perceiving it as westerners. So that was like, kind of heavy Said it was, it was and she kept trying to play it off like it doesn't matter what people think of me, I know the truth, but it was extremely stressful and

heartbreaking for her. Especially when I mean the conversation that she has with his dad was the worst to me, because the dad says, I don't think it's appropriate for you for you to call me father anymore. And you were never really my daughter-in-law and I hope we never see you again. These are really and after him walking her down, the aisle and being so sweet to her and supportive of her in the family. Even in his Stern way. I was like, I was playing the ghost that play.

I was honestly really cut up during this part where she loses. This father figure this this dude who was a stand-in and the whole going over to the grandmother's house in her. The grandmother doesn't even want to see her she's like Game for forgiveness. And oh my God, she's not giving it to her. I was honestly so difficult to watch. She was trying so hard and I think too, like for her in the beginning when she's like it's fine to rains character youngjae

that it's fine. If they're saying that people can talk and that also, again, I connected to her kind of like, you know, I have no lineage, it's just, you know, I'm putting air quotes, I have no like history. Anyway, no reputation. Anyway, I'm already kind of seen as like an outcast because I'm an orphan potentially, like, I

think She was like, whatever. I don't have any reputation to go off of anyway, which is a matter of people think I'm this like hateful, gold digger, but like you said it like wasn't something. She could like, sustained emotionally because it was taking its toll, especially, when her own in-laws, saw her that way, right? Right. And there's a, I think an episode 14. She gets home late and rain has been waiting for her. He's super jealous and throws.

The whole minhyuk thing back in her face, which again, I think of a flip-flop back and forth over the same tried. And true fights. But anyway, he starts a fight and she's already just been through the wringer because of all of these rumors and because of his sort of constant abuse. And she says, do you even know what it means to protect someone? Is buying me ice cream when I cry protecting me. You don't even know anything.

You know, nothing. You don't know how to like, someone don't know how to express it and you don't know what it means to protect someone. He's it felt like she was saying, he never fights for her, you know, real sense. And she was finally like it got to her by then she's like I can't deal with this anymore, right? So if he wants to be Petty, Batman, hockey can, but she was like, over it at that point, she's like, yeah. Oh my God, it was brutal.

And then the frickin press conference to announce the divorce, which he says, oh, really great line in this thing. Or he said he's referring to her. Everyone thinks he's referring to some other woman but he says, she's just Terry and kind, but she's more special and precious to me than anyone else in the world. And he announces the divorce, but it's a divorce to protect her because of these like her. Yes, yeah.

The media and free her because she feels, you know, he thinks that she likes minhyuk and she's trapped in this contract marriage and it's just sort of an effort to quell. All of that. All that noise, which makes me even more meaningful. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like he loved her. She loved him and they still couldn't work it out while they were still married. So, It's it's a little while but yeah, it's very emotional episode 15.

We find out he's been in a monastery for months, get the fuck out. Fuck outta here with that shit. Which opening me how many months did you say? Because I couldn't figure out how long a mic what time had passed since they're divorced. So I think it only been a few months. I because like, her hair friend, the friend is still supposedly pregnant. True. True. True. Okay.

So, even though the friend is not pregnant, she didn't even make an effort to look like she was pregnant, she is still within the nine months of pregnancy. I think she found out, she got pregnant like the day. It happened, the way that this pregnancy right week of week of. Yeah. No. But yeah, her hair was so much longer by. Yeah. And she's like, her like glow up that we reference little bit before the glut she look.

Crash in the house, because she can do what she wants now, because he's not there and like yeah, yeah, yeah. She has the pigsty is back in the house, but she's a full-time writer. A serious screenplay doing. I guess her screenplay is seriously. Going to be made into a movie and they're shopping around looking for actors and stuff. So she's Bonafide. Like she's legitimate. She doesn't need his money.

She doesn't need his clout. She obviously doesn't need The pettiness and him ordering her around. She doesn't need a maid or anybody to clean up after her. She doesn't care and the fashion glow up. I don't know why she just looks better after the divorce. I gosh. So they made her look. I feel like as she is. So beautiful song Hit. Kill is just a yes lady and I like you could find at 23. I mean she's just you know. Yeah I'm unblemished that there's nothing to like the cheese.

Yeah you know but the her prime so so kindergarten Like tacky and to fit her character. Yeah. Earlier episodes. And then we get to this episode and she's just like, you know Herbal Essences or like so I'm like, oh my God. Like maybe she just looks weird. Yeah, she just looks more sophisticated. More elegant will put together. Yeah. Yeah, her style is just you better make up. Yeah, her style has just metamorphic it.

Why that happens like, oh, true other than like, the post-breakup glow up is his real identity. It's all like I'm trying to upset, right? Right. Right. And then he ends up rushing back because don't woke that friend that swindled her says that. She's sick hanji and is sick. And he's like, what if he comes back to the house, he did. I like how you didn't even care of those grandmas. Like he's like she got sick all the time and he's like, okay well hunch, he's like he's like wait what?

I gotta go. You're absolutely right because Don't look, just like your mom. I've your grandmother's in the hospital in the hospital and he's like, yeah, she's old, and it happens, you know, He's like thoughts and prayers anyway, so Rose praise. Yeah, but there is a huge emphasis in the final Apple couple of episodes on asking the dad, his dad for forgiveness, asking the family for forgiveness, which I still find so odd. This doesn't necessarily drive with me and maybe it has to do

with that culture. Bit that we're getting in mass in this show. But the filial piety, I mean that honestly threw me for a loop in the final couple of episodes. We're doing is like you can stay in this house if you apologize to your dad so that I can basically get back in their good graces. Yeah, I know there's some cultures were like groveling as like a very real thing. You have to do. I don't know if Korean culture is or was one of them or just in

their family. That's like something that was expected, I don't know. It was weird, but there was that big emphasis like his to make this big formal apology and request or beg for forgiveness. Yes, on both of their behalf, right? So like it would also kind of absolve Jian if he did this. Hmm. So I thought that was interesting. What did you think of his proposal? I don't even remember it. Oh, my God.

So he buys a ring thinking that she doesn't have her wedding ring from their contract marriage, and he presents it to her on the porch of the hot, what the back porch of the house, and I thought it was really cute. He basically says that it's true. He doesn't know how to love her or make her happy, but that he's willing to learn. If she'll teach him and he'll do whatever she wants, if she wants him to sing, he'll sing it. She wants him to dance, he'll dance, whatever she wants.

And you know he tops it off with. Will you marry me? And she's like, uh, hmm. Yeah, it's coming back to me now. Yeah, action is what brought me back because I was like, kind of half listening to him because I also was like, not sure. Like I was like, I don't know why he's doing this, right? Kind of like hot and colds that I was like, okay, sure he's proposing. Uh-huh. Reaction of like, what are you talking about? It's been like six, not even six months, as we got divorced.

Like I don't how it what it like, think this through buddy, like I don't know, it was, it was interesting. I think he was being sincere but he's still, it just goes back to his immaturity, I think tank, for me at least that he has. Still no concept of like, how to like be a person yet. He's still working that out friends, right? And it's the totally wrong timing. Yes, he does, he's just off. Yeah, he's just out of sync, a mature reaction to, like, try and resolve an issue.

And it's like, okay, you thought, you thought this through? But you did not think it through correctly. So, but in the next episode, the last episode, she rejects his proposal. She's like, yeah, but he's like messes up her script or something. The computer doesn't save it. And her work is lost. And then on top of that, she's like what did you do? No, we did not have the And plus 0, when she delivers, one of the scripts to minhyuk, she gives him a floppy disk. Oh, right.

And I was like, oh, like my heart, my heart, the floppy disk, that's like a sign, I know, I know. But anyway, she and then he says that she has no Talent when she starts. Like what did you do? To my computer? I can't find my work. It's all gone. And she's upset and he says, well, you don't even have any Talent anyways, and she's Well you know what? We're not getting married, but I'm saying no to your proposal and it's so good. I just love it because of course, she's gonna say no.

Like, he's not at this point. What? What has changed right? Right, right. Yeah, it's just sort of this guy who thinks he can resolve things very like, neatly and tightly and he really glosses over a lot of nuance and like, you know, other like Logistics of things because maybe his life Was relatively easy as an as an idol or celebrity where people just hand things to or like on a plate and like they figure stuff out for you and you just have to go and do whatever they said for you to do.

So he's trying to operate in this like way that makes sense to him, but it's like not he's not quite there and also I feel like rain rains dad in the show is very serious. I can't imagine that man has a romantic bone in his body. So I am sure that when he grew up, he didn't see a lot of Really good communication between his parents. So he's really just flying in the dark flying solo. Just trying to figure it out and tour. Little rain for a little rain. Can't get it together.

They have the magic land date which felt a lot like Boys Over Flowers because he goes and stands on the ice rink for hours, waiting for her and she shows up late. It's very much like the Namsan Tower date from Boys Over Flowers. Yeah, and I like to see of him practicing, what he's going to say, yeah. Where he's like, yeah, that's not good. And he's like, he's really an effort.

He's trying. Yes. He's like lacking and he's trying to achieve like maturity and adulthood and like this, like these trying to get to her level or like any level, that's not where he was, but it's cute to watch him kind of fall. Shut up. And then her still be like, bro, like what the heck? Yeah, then they have the ice skating day 2.0. And she finally shows up because they had an ice-skating moment earlier in the show and he's just falling all over the place.

I want to reiterate something that I don't think there was any stunt doubles or stunt, oh my God, this production shirt for this because they were they were throwing themselves over a hard surface of presumably ice for this show for television and And it looked real and brain like he's very bright, right? Like I imagined something like like, you know, Park Soju. Now, trying to like fling himself, although they be like, no, no, like can't. Yeah, sure.

You we need to have like safety stuff in place and they would just do not seem like any that was going on at everland over magic land on everything. Yeah, magical. And I don't know what the hell they were thinking, both of them were. Just honestly, I'm hesitant to fall once ice skating. They were, I don't know how many takes they did. They were Constantly looking fragile upon that did not seem particularly cold. I was like, sure. I don't think it was.

No, I don't. I think it was like a chilled surface, not necessarily ice. Okay. But I don't know what else to call it other than ice skating because they were wearing ice skates. Yeah. They were. So, I don't know if it was just like, frozen concrete or something that they were even worse in a way. I feel like I don't, it was it look dangerous, like, What they were doing. So anyway, he finally confesses, I love you and the Zamboni driver kicks up some noise and

drowns him out. Which again very Boys Over Flowers, which came a few years later. I guess, you could say it's the other way around Boys Over Flowers. It's like borrowing from full house because Full House is 04 and Boys Over Flowers is 09. Right? His final confession is good, though. I was like, you know, this is a pretty good one. He says, loving you is something I can't stop. I love you. I love you enough to make the universe explode or dry up.

All the waters on the earth enough to divide my soul again and Scatter it. That's how much I love you. Dang, damn, damn, damn genuinely good blind from somewhat of an oaf who maybe got into medical school. So by the way, I speak to his personality, like I think rain is attractive but he has like whole, like sob story in real life is that he was too ugly to be an idol until I guess, you know, whenever he became one and rain is so cute in this show. Oh yeah. No, he is, but the Like the

quote, unquote ugliness. Again, I don't think he actually is ugly at all, but like, he's not, he doesn't look like some of the idols, you know, like looking like anime at the time. Yes, looking very yelled. He was a, he's not like that either. So that lends itself to his like, bumbling this in the show because if he had looked like, just someone just like, cut with ice and glass and like, you know, looked very perfect because he, like, let's just

say, what's a good Idol? That has like a perfect tan. No sound from Astro, is basically a Specimen, right? Right. If challenge new is falling all over this concrete ice and looking pretty worse for wear. A lot of the time and looking really stupid. I don't think people would believe it and being a doofus in manners and like, yeah, it's been the whole time. It like not just like the ice scene but all of it. Yeah, I wouldn't have worked in nearly as well without reins

kind of like not. So like you didn't get past surgery like you said he didn't have like a quote unquote like, you know, beauty standards at that time or whatever. Ever a perfect face, it lends itself to his character, being this Goofy and ultimately endearing and do very annoying guy. Yeah, yeah. So at the end, we have a happy ever after barbecue, with the both of the fief of the leads. We have hail 100 and was shocking minhyuk. Both there at the barbecue.

In fact, they carpooled. So the barbecue at the house gather, like, I don't know what was going on and, you know, they, I don't think they were together. No. Okay they're just happy in their

lives like hey yeah yeah yeah. And I was like whoa, this is throwing me a little bit because they were so like many Aqua so great but then we have qualms with him anyway and then head one was like a terrible bitch to her throughout Taiwan in their lives because it later like I won, I won so fickle or something that she very easily like when she's in something she's in it which is as soon as she's out of it because she fell out of love with me Huck like in one second.

And then she like She accepted their marriage is like You know despite everything real enough. She was like done, she like stopped obsessing over youngjae she yeah, couraging Jian. She's like yeah you should do this. You should do that. You should make up with him. Yeah, ever. Yeah. And then they just had this like report together. I was like, I get it. I also don't get it. Like why are you still around? Like I would be like, I would want her gone but yeah, I would want her out.

I don't want her in my house. Yeah, she was like friendly nice or whatever later. I'd be like. Well yeah, don't be at my house. And also, we're going to meet up somewhere outside the hand on mine. House. Yeah, so yeah, that was a little bit odd, but okay, we'll take it. And then final shot is them writing bike together and she has her own bicycle It was great. Yeah. Full circle, full circle moment.

Yes about the about the comic just to know if it was like that or not or like, I don't know, I think I don't know and I don't think I want to read a 20 year old comic right now. I don't think I had the bandwidth. I don't think I had the energy necessarily summary somewhere. Yeah, maybe true true. But anyway, we've come to the

end of my notes. I don't know if you had stuff that you still wanted to. Mention before we get out of here cuz this is a bit of a long one but I think it's necessary full house is so iconic. Yeah, I don't have much else to say in terms of my notes although I did write in my notes, Han jihun work from home Pioneer, you're right. Because she was working from home the whole time the whole time. Yeah. But I had and I still haven't bothered by like the fact that

we really don't know. Either how dire her circumstances were when her parents died she's alone in that house or how much maybe her friends all looks family helped her and I wish we had more of that. That's something I really missed even more than like Where the other two second leads were coming from. Uh-huh. I'm more of her like childhood stories. Yeah, the friends and because we don't really have a frame of reference for how much they mean

to her. We just know that they mean something to her enough to keep them in her life. I want to know how mad do I need to be at this guy for selling her house up from under, you know, because I was already mad enough. But like if you're if you were her benefactor or your family was rather during your guys's childhood, yeah did this to her than you. Even scum here than I thought the right thing to do then it's even worse. Yeah. So anyway, I recommend this show a lot.

Yeah, I recommend it to you. If you've come this far and we spoiled it all the things about the show for you great now, I think you should definitely give it a watch, even though it could be shortened, a lot of these fights just seem repetitive and the plot is not really applied, but it's fine. Like this really does work. I like this show. A lot is 4 out of 5 for me. And it's criminally dated but in a really fun way. I mean yeah it feels like a time. Someone gets a fax.

I was shocked, but you and the flip phone, what she'd action. One last note is that I miss flip phones, the they're coming back the for the flourish the satisfaction of shutting, the phone after you had a bad conversation, you got in a fight over the Phone or he's not coming to pick you up. Whatever the case was in the show, I was like, oh God. I miss that. And the little charms that you put on the phone. Oh, I missed it.

I missed it so much. Damn, I miss a flip phone and then they could throw the phone anywhere. They wanted the they'd have to charge it all the time. You remember, those times you didn't have to charge your phone every day because a text cost like 25 cents to send. So you weren't really using it, you are calling people, you couldn't go on the internet, it would charge you. Make the time and now, like I have a diaper on my iPhone. Like it's literally, it's, it's a baby.

I have to take care of it. I know you look at it wrong and it's like, decides not to work. I'm right. It's like, software update needed God anyway. So, I think that on that note, we're going to get out of here. Thank you so much Mina for dropping by, for watching this show, and for just being game to go back to 2004 with me. What a time. Anytime back to 2004. Anytime uh where can we find you online in case people haven't heard you on some of the other day Buck episodes?

I am on Instagram at Kpop bookshelf. All one word and that's the main place. You're going to find me. Nice. All right, we're gonna get out of here. That's been our show. I'm Jessica. And this has been that they Balki Rambles podcast.