Dream High / Ep. 38

I'm Jessica and this is Vivek. He Rambles were couple of friends review Korean dramas and we're back for another episode. We're still in yesteryear and I have with me my two Two, good friends, Kathy and Lauda from the ma 2K podcast. How are you two? So happy to be here? Yes, this is a bit of a reunions. We haven't seen each other since the pH one concert a few weeks ago. And that was so much fun. Yeah. And you guys went all over Orlando like the day after it was like incredible.

I don't know. It was literally like we weren't even in Orlando for 24 hours. We went to eat k-pot, we got ready for the concert, went to the concert and then the next day, we left the hotel, like, chucked out when to Kpop and USA and drove back home, like, it was very methodical stop. So we had to make. So we were not even in town for 24 hours, we really weren't. I honestly can't believe you did even that much. Sometimes I try and do two

things on my list of all. I want to go here when I go there and I don't get to those places and I'm of local. So you know it is what it is. You guys did the deed. It was awesome. You did the thing and we're going to be reviewing Dream High today.

And I really wanted you guys to come on this show and particular, review this kdrama because it is very much influenced by the Kpop industry and to be quite honest, this is where I learned a lot about the Kpop industry and the Machine that it is and so on and so forth. So I was like, I have to get to get Have a Kpop podcast was

like, oh perfect. And I've joked on, and off about Dream High in multiple episodes, because we've covered other shows from these direct this director, in this screenwriter and this cast. So I'm like, it's a long time coming for us to cover, Dream High on the show, and I wanted you guys to share this with me and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it. I know, we're just laughing if you Do you know? But if this is your first time listening, thank you so much for pressing play.

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And thank you to our patrons. Janet Curtis bail, Cindy, CD, and Grace. You guys are wonderful. Thank you for being here. Okay. So I'm going to I just get going. There's not stop me. If you want to talk about anything in particular when it comes to some of these other shows that are going to crop up here and some of them we've

covered on the podcast. And I know that Lauda has a deeper well of knowledge when it comes to kdramas, but please these people especially the cast list and the producers are all from the Kpop world. So Kathy, if you want to jump in at any point and say your piece on somebody like feel free.

Thank you so much for the yes. So, the my drama list synopsis and this is extremely abbreviated, I just kept like the first sentence of it Dream. High tells, the story of six students at kid in art High School who work to achieve their dreams of becoming music stars in the Korean music industry. This show aired from January to February 2011, it is 16 episodes long and the director is Ian book. He's directed things like Dream High 2, which is a sequel to

this and we can talk a little bit about it later school. 2013, Secret Love descendants of the sun, which is a massive show. We've covered it on the podcast Guardian, the lonely and great. God aka the okay, be a massive, freaking show Goblin mr. Sunshine, which we've also covered on the show.

So these three bangers, three bangers in a row, sweet home from 2020 which is a Netflix, he's show and he's directing All Seasons. I think that's a season kdrama and then Gigi sohn is his most recent work from 2021. The Dream High show was written by a POC. Hey Ian and she's written, I can hear your voice Pinocchio page-turner While You Were Sleeping, which is a show that we've covered here on the podcast and start up from 2020.

Coincidentally, both of those shows Stars, Bae Suzy And I'll cover her first as like, I guess she's like the leader of this of this ensemble cast Bae, Suzy plays goal, Jaime and she, if you don't know, was a member of Miss, A, and that is a K-Pop group. She's been in Gu Family, Book, uncontrollably fond Vagabond, and, and she will be in this Netflix show called due no later this year in 2023, I Dimension

startup. And while you were sleeping because I kind of, we already just mentioned those and we've covered those extensively. They have their own reviews. Each of them that they're back feed. So we have Bae Suzy. Did you guys have anything to say, about Bae Suzy? I mean, I am, I'm actually more surprised about the director and writer, like, I hadn't realized that they had Had written all of these well, written and

directed. All of these really big shows you any kind of It's a little weird that dream high is in there. Like yeah, it's shocking for sure a little bit. Yeah yeah I agree that it's like all of a sudden the career took like a hard left turn and all of a sudden he's like an amazing director and want someone not Just if you don't like the work that's fine. But that's dramas were hits. Like, you can't deny like descendants of the sun, Guardian, mr.

Sunshine, sweet home. They all had a lot of Buzz around them. They were great exports for Korea and the Holly wave and you know, their household names. I should say it shows. We all have to start somewhere. Yeah. And keep the dream alive, guys because you could be on the level of young book where you're just putting out hit after hit and he working with Netflix and you working with big-name stars and doing High budget like mr.

Sunshine is one of the most high production budget key, dramas out there, and like a Prestige television show. So it's incredible, it really is to go for dream which looks like it. It does. And you know, Oh is what it is but and it's not just Dream High but Dream High 2. Like that's that's that's the thing that's like a little. Okay sure guy. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

For those who don't know, Dream, High 2. I have not watched it but I think you might have about a I got into maybe a couple of episodes and not even my love for JB. Head help me continue, which is from Got7. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. And like I love him so much but II. Couldn't it was it was a lie. It was awful like Dream. High 2 is well known for being a terrible shit when like it was a major drop-off from Dream High, the first one, which is what we're covering today and it's

such a shame I guess. But at the same time like, um, book Rebounded. And he's doing just fine. That's the director and I think it's a little bit of a joke now like the Dream High versus Dream. High 2 verses like is Dream High. A good show. Even like you know well we can talk about it a bit more. But so we we covered the director and the writer and Bae Suzy will cover the rest of the

six students. So we have Kim sohyun Ron playing song that song sung dong and for those who don't know, we just covered My Love from the Star a couple of episodes ago, which is a major like Holly wave hit and then he was also in Moon. Embracing the Sun, the producers crash-landing on you Cameo, it's okay to not be, okay? Which is a huge one as well. And then he was most recently in one Ordinary Day I low-key love Kim Soo-hyun, and I hope that his career kind of picks up the way it did.

Like the way it was almost 10 years ago when he was like, at the top of his game, he had all of the, like CF contracts. He was a top star and I just don't know why his star waned necessarily like, I don't know, it's just me, I guess that's wondering these things, but yeah.

Now we also have pick Ian as jinguk and he for those who don't know, he was a member of 2 p.m. is a member of 2 p.m. and he's made a pretty successful career as an actor because he's been in. Bring It On ghost, save me Vincenzo, which was a huge sort of break out role for him. A lot of people didn't know necessarily who Tech was before Vincenzo. And then I think he was in most recently, Lee secret Royal inspector enjoy from 20 21 and he's still working. He still around.

If you see his socials, he's like posting really cryptic like photos of like sets and like places where he is filming and stuff and he's around like, he's still a successful actor, and I think he's pretty bankable, still not to mention. Oh, keep going for sure. What's up? Oh, he just also signed with an agency here in the United States. To make that jump. Yes, I am hoping that that pans out for him because I really do think that he is a bankable star.

He's likable. He's very versatile and I think he could do pretty well here in the west. I hope that he gets some chances. I remember, Like this is a kind of a Tanger, but not really whenever when Jay Park signed with Roc Nation and how like that was supposed to be like this huge thing and he was going to make a debut official debut and the states and whatever because he's signed with Roc Nation, which is Jay-Z's label

and whatever. And like nothing really came of that it just like came and went and I hope that that's not with a case for Tech. They don't have the same problematic background. So hopefully, Lee. That's not going to be the same case, for both of them and, you know, Tech is very secretive. I don't, I mean, I, every KPop star is secretive of their lives and very protective of their privacy as much as they can be. Like, I don't know anything about tech, really. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he hasn't all we need to know is that he has an alienated, like an entire group of people that I talked constantly and that just, you know, are not really ever. Going to move on from certain things that were said or done or whatever. So I think he has a really bright future with this move of signing to do work here and we talked about it in our kdrama episode with you just that we were like, oh, you know, now that packs of Jonah's going to do Marvel's.

Who else do we think is going to really like breakout on the west? And we mentioned tuck like as a possibility because he speaks English and everything. So it just seems like it's falling into place as it should. So yeah. So for that, hoping praying for the best for you to check if your Listening for some reason. Okay. So then we have its private time and he just listens to kdrama bond gets in his spare time. Okay. So to round out the cast, we have hum hum and Jung plays young, Becky.

And she was a member of Tiara and she's been working but she's really just done like weekend dramas and a handful of movies. We can dramas are High episode, count kdramas and like, You know sometimes over 100 episodes and so she's been steadily working but I don't think she's necessarily made a just a giant impact on the kdrama industry as a whole.

I don't think she's very memorable and we have wooyoung as Jason. He's also a member of 2 p.m. and this is literally the only thing he's done in the kdrama world. This is only acting credit ever is this 1 as Jason. And then to round out the cast, we have this little I don't know if you've heard of a Jian. AKA I, you she plays kimpo suck and she's major major solo star in Korea and worldwide.

She's just amazing. I've called her the fairy princess or very goddess before and various episodes. She's been in shows, like you are the best, The Producers. Moon lover Scarlet REO which were covering later in the season. She's been in my Mr. Which we did a couple of seasons ago, and, of course, hotel, de luna, which is a pretty big show. What do you have anything to say about these three? I understand why, why we on the knocked over again, I was gonna say the same thing.

It does. It does it makes it really done. Can we just talk about our thoughts and things? We're about to get into it because we've just come to the end of like our ensemble cast of coursers, adults characters caregivers and teachers that are more veteran actors or people that you've I've seen in other shows more recently but we're just going to call it for for now. What? I don't know who wants to go first, but what did you guys think of Dream High?

Laura has watched it twice so I think she can go first. Oh okay loud Echo. So I watched it twice and I personally have this like genre of kdramas that I like that aren't very good kind of really cringey but I really enjoy them in their cringe and Dream High is one of those. I think in my opinion what saves it or like what the big difference between Dream High and Dream High 2 is the actors like even though Not all six or amazing actors.

Most of them were, and that's kind of, what saves the drama they sell this writing this dialogue, that is cringe-inducing goose-bumpy feeling and they, you know, they sell it, they give it, they give it like a nice touch where you're like, okay, this is really cringey, but I believe it. They cry really prettily. Like it's just, I I think what makes this drama is? The actors not gonna lie? The watching it a second time. The crunch went up like four levels and I found myself

fast-forwarding. A lot of like scenes, so it it was a little bit more painful. The second time, this is definitely for me, one of those that you only watch ones because you're going through a hard time and you don't want to think about anything and then never watch again. Like, Got you, got you so who would you say were the best actors? Because he said like it's really based on the six, you know, ensemble cast members that we talked about who are for all intents and purposes Idols,

right? An idol drama and which ones were the standouts for you? I think. Well, I mean, you could tell I you was gonna go places like she, you could tell I liked. How are you? You acted. I liked Zoo, Khao suan. How do you say? So, here's Kim. Soo Yung. I like him too young and I like taking I mean you could tell it was his first but yeah he you could tell he was going to become better at it. I'm not quite sure about Susie what!

Hmm well we talked about it. So Kathy over you this is your first time watch of dream hide. This was my first and my last I will start there. So okay. Before I would have said that I pretty much like anything because like people would argue about certain movies with me and I can always see where people are coming from and kind of argue that The Devil's Advocate side of why something was made,

why it's good or why, whatever? Mmm, I did not feel that way with Dream High. I was surprised, I was scared to come and share my opinions here because I feel like it's such a cult classic and such a, you know, generation. All cultural impact, whatever that I didn't want people to come for me. Not that I exist at all in any way, sort of anything but it was really hard for me to finish the show and I usually finish everything that I start with

like movies and stuff. Just out of curiosity of how it's going to pan out. I had a really hard time with the writing. I had a really hard time with the acting. I had a really hard time with the filming I I had a really hard time finding redeeming things to say about the show and I finished it exclusively because we were doing this episode with you which we are.

So thankful to that you invited us over over virtually to talk about it but and with all that said, I'm still grateful that now I know what it is so I can be in the conversation whenever it comes up so roasted but I'll be in the conversation to roast it. Oh God. Okay. So I mean, I kind of want to talk more about like what what you disliked about the show. I don't know if I have time. I'll say, my thoughts and we can come Circle back to some of the, like, General terrible Miss of

the show. So, and I'm sorry, it's whiny fans. I would just want to clarify. This is just an opinion. I am nobody, don't worry about me, like, That's it. So yeah again like I never show. I guess we should have a disclaimer that these are our opinions, it's completely subjective. You don't need to freak out about anything that we say were not the Arbiters of taste here, okay. Like we're just having fun. It's we're all here to have fun.

So, Dream High, I had watched it I think into around 2012 or 2013. It was probably one of the first like, in the first 25 kdramas that I I'd ever watched early on and I was not too far removed from the time period that they had filmed it and from this era of Kpop, right?

Like this is kind of when I started getting into Kpop and I had heard like a couple of 2 p.m. songs and I had heard like one miss a song and I you know I was like baby Kpop fan and just dipping my toes into it and then I get to see Dream High and I was like this It's a whole new world like this is nothing like the industry here in the states where you like it's all based on like Glock or who you know, and there's not all this bureaucracy

I guess or trainee process. I guess the trainee process really was like eye-opening for me and even though there's like giant differences between how its portrayed and Dream High and how it really is in the industry for the most part.

Yes they are. Are taught in classes and having, you know, showcases and exhibitions and things with the grated on like that is all pretty par for the course, true of the Kpop industry and the trainee process and I was like stunned out of my mind that this was true like for it all intensive purposes, it is true. Not that there's a cure in high

school. That's Outsourcing, you know, trade he's into the companies, but You know, it was it was very eye-opening for me and I remember feeling a little bit cringy about some things and I was like, this isn't like the a-plus-plus writing like I was at for some reason I was just like I'm still in my Boys Over Flowers era, right?

So I was very forgiving of a lot of things and didn't necessarily feel that strongly about the puzzle pieces that make up a great drama, great TV show, or a great thing. Film or something like that. Something to that effect. So that wasn't concerned necessarily with the sound mixing was horrendous. Oh, my hearing, why am I hearing all kinds of horrible? Horrible, horrible sound mixing the cinematography is, like, non-existent. It felt like they shot this on, like a digital camera micro we

think. Yeah. I was like Overexposed and terrible and like the actual Editing of it, like the shots were too long in so many instances. I was like, why is this shot still continuing, the pacing of the dialogue was terrible. I was like, there's like beats here. It's awkward like they this needs to be edited. This needs to be like tone, you know, tightened up in the script and I was a very on this watch. I was like, this is awful.

Like, you know, all of these puzzle pieces, make up my opinion of your show and And I was like, this is terrible. But one thing that I didn't dislike about the show one thing that stayed the same from my initial watch was how much I admired the heart of the characters and this General message of follow your dreams like do whatever you can work hard, you know, you'll achieve, what you what you set out to do, your Ambitions are you know, valid and all of this stuff.

So like it was very preachy like even on this Around. I was like, this is the prettiest message and they keep saying it over and over again. Music brings us together, music is a universal language and like all of this hokey like messaging, you know, hit me as way more cringe this time. But at the end of the day, that's what people I think. Connect to in Dream High is like this heart and this this feeling that, you know, they can do it, it's very aspirational.

Well, I think for a lot of people not just, if you suddenly want to be a creative and want to get into the music industry or want to be a professional dancer, what have you like? It's kind of goes far beyond that and I think it might even dip into just the culture of Korea, right? Like here if we see a movie like I don't know like a mission impossible or something like that. Like that's a very action-heavy that's very aspirational for a lot of people were like, yeah, I can do this.

Beat the got the bad guy I can save the world. Like that's kind of embedded into like our DNA of like the Air Force One, get off my plane. Like, there's also like all of these other facets of like, americanism that's in the movies that we watch here in the west and in Korea, this Kpop show that did very well when it aired and sort of launched. All of these careers. Like, I feel like people, I'll have a lot of nostalgia and good feelings toward it because of

the messaging. And not just because of the set dressing of it, not necessarily because they're putting drawing giant stars on their eyes. And like, that's trendy not like it's if we're talking about the way that it's aged, it's aged terribly in that respect. But, you know, I think it's, I think it's cute. I think it's feel good. I agree with that sentiment of the cuteness and the message. And I understand why people like that.

And why people might gravitate towards a feel-good thing of like, if you work hard, you will get the results that you're after kind of thing. I understand that, for me, I guess the problem lies with the fact that when we watch movies or listen to music or watch a kdrama, there's something about, we're all looking for that. Suspension of disbelief moment, we want to be transported to that moment.

And forget that like you are living in 2023 and you know whatever is happening in the world wherever you are and geographically speaking. I was not able to do that because of all the other things that were happening at all times. Everytime jyp came on the screen suspension of disbelief over like you know like it was it was every time that I was trying to kind of just like give it a chance and get wrapped into the storyline, something would

happen. Either the sound mixing or the shots or the cinema, something that I was just like, why is this a thing? And I also I mean I think just to give it I guess a couple of positive spins here and there the first three to four episodes are really badly shot, but it gets better like the filming gets better after the fourth or fifth episode. Those kinds of things improve. And obviously, the chemistry of the cast is a whole also improves as the as the show goes.

And I have to Say suhyun's acting. Like I wish there was like maybe two or three things that kept me alive. While I was watching the show, one of them, was two hands acting. Like he is incredible. I started looking into all of his life and like II, the usual Obsession that kind of grows in me when I start liking someone from Astro, or from a, like, music or anything happen only with him, I already like text icon already know stuff about him, I use same.

But from this show, he was the only one that I was like, I want to know more and I want to know What else has happened with them? And what other works he's done because I need to watch more of him. Hmm. So I guess that's my thing. Is just the quality of the shoe and all the other elements that are usually, therefore either comedy or just keeping it light didn't really work for me and that's my thing.

Yeah. Yeah no suspension of disbelief for me. Absolutely you're absolutely right and hitting it on the head of especially with jyp in the show How do I put this? I girl, I have thoughts. I mean, let's talk about it because jyp is first of all, the drama is co-produced by Bae yong-joon ski East and jyp of jyp entertainment, Park jinyoung. And then he also acts as like the music director for like the large swaths of the show. Bae yong-joon, I don't know.

If you and I can have a face to go with any, that's my Oppa for life of. Yes him, I needed more of him in the show. They took him away. He was like the only good thing that they had going for me and bro. So I forgot completely that. I had this other dude, come in and he was like the principal and like chairman of this Kirin Art School or whatever and then he like completely takes himself off the playing board and he's gone, you never see him again in the show.

This is the male lead from the iconic. Her Sonata drama if you, if you've seen that drama in the kdrama. So for him to be in the show and then this was his first show in three years. So this one ramanujan not seeing this guy for like three years and then all of a sudden he shows up at Dream, High for like 45 episodes and then just like, fuck sake. Even bro, that's all the budget covered for honest. Yeah, it's giving that it's giving we had. But yeah, so bring this huge star for two.

Episodes. And that's it. Yeah, so he was a co-producer on the on Dream High and then jyp obviously was heavily involved. They like the winter Sonata guy, or whatever, for lack of a better term. If you guys can't lie, don't have a face, the winter, Sonata male lead guy, he was creative producer on the on Dream High, he provided the overall concept the goals, the ideas and then jyp came in and compose the music. Zurich and choreographed the dance for the series.

So it down you can freaking tell that this is what happened, you know, like he's jyp the influence that he had on the show behind the scenes. Great not taking anything away from that him in front of the camera I'm like offended. Like to this day, I The fact that he put himself in the drama it's has like awful. It's like heavily the fact that he just did a like a little mini tour in the state's.

It's like his delusion has not worn off but he can't do certain things that he really shouldn't try in the first place. But really it's like, you know, it felt at some point and I if he were more self-aware, which I don't think he is based on the fact that he even did a show and in New York and California, the fact that he It almost felt like he was doing a caricature of himself like yeah, like a self-deprecating character that kind of played on the stereotypes that people had of

him at the time, you know. So it's like, oh, maybe he's, like, in on the joke. No, like it, just as a show evolved. And as he did more things, I'm like the amount of airtime and screen time, that was dedicated to his dance sequence and his singing. It's like Mama. Pull the plug someone, turn the camera off. Yeah, please, it's not. Not good. It. Yeah, it wreaked of him being like an extreme narcissist and couldn't give the Limelight to these kids who are his own true.

A lot of them were his own trainees, his discover them like, or nurtured them, or whatever debut them out of jyp entertainment and still, he decides to be in the drama, and this was his acting debut. It wasn't like he was an established actor. Anything this was the first time you ever see jyp in a show Tara he said coach the coach put me in and he put himself in as what happened. It's a new kind of see like a tech and the rest of the actors.

Like as much as they were trying to do good acting, they would break any time. He was on the screen because they just could see the full of shit. And I was like, just coming through their, their suspension, of disbelief also was not working right random and I said, yeah, it felt it felt to me, personally, I have now an obsession with understanding the behind the scenes of the inner workings of the Kpop industry and knowing what I know now and

knowing what I know of jyp. And knowing, you know, the mismanagement of the group's, I'm his agency in general, to not name any group specifically. But most importantly, Got7, and my heart. Seeing him on the show. Felt like he was on this kind of redemption tour and trying to portray Himself thinking that people would believe that thing as this like good director Company, CEO person that always wanted to look for the talent and it doesn't matter.

The looks. All that matters is the hard work and this is and I'm just like you cannot be more full of shit. Like you get off my TV right now, you know, that was something that came up.

That was something that came up in the comments section of a few tick tocks that I posted was that people were saying, jyp is such a hypocrite and like, I absolutely 100% get it because if you watch the show, the way that his characters crafted is, he's like an advocate for the kids, and for their talent and it doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter that I use pills. Look is overweight. It doesn't matter. She has the talent. She has the voice.

She can make it in the industry. You shouldn't be trying to change these kids. They're good the way they are. And like all of that messaging that's tied into His character is being this like righteous. You know, holier-than-thou person is flies right in the face of everything that he stands for and has built under jyp entertainment. And all of the changes that he's made to his lineup of trainees, and debut debut. I don't dip debutantes or whatever all the groups that he's launched.

And the, the artist that he's Third and stuff like that. Sure he's probably doing a lot of good, but yes, he's done a fuck ton of harm and has created that system that they're trying to rail against with his character in Dream High. So I can understand why people are upset, not necessarily that he's just a bad actor. The characters shoehorned into her wise jyp and his own fucking show. The fact that he's also like, spewing all of this. Revisionist nonsense is also deeply offensive.

Yeah, I think we know who you are and he was trying to sell this thing to us, but he wasn't bad. And it's just now even more offensive like ten plus years later that it's only gone worse, right? Right. And with, In the show you could see who his favorite were like the fact that he included. Susie, he included Justice two members from 2 p.m. like you could tell that he was trying to sell specifically.

Yeah, mostly Susie. But then like, you know, threw in some 2 p.m. members, just to kind of like mmm, Yeah, not look so bad. I guess it's a commercial for jyp entertainment and that's what's unnerving. About the whole thing is that you can't like divorce yourself from the concept of jyp's, not just trying to Rebrand himself, only a few years into what 2nd gen Kpop, but he's also trying to introduce audiences and have sort of like a Groundswell

effect for these artists that. He's launching that are just a few years into their career and might not be household names. Like they are now like I feel like Tech and Suzy and Kim Soo-hyun like all these people and I you like don't literally hi. These are household names now maybe in part because of Dream High. But mostly because they just they're amazing. Like they have the talent, they have the giftings of someone that was going to go far in the first place and I don't know if

we should think jyp necessarily. For, or if we should still like, you know, shit on him. But like honestly it is quite a, an experience to watch Dream High knowing what, you know now, and knowing how their careers, turned out. Everyone's careers, I'm not gonna go as far as thanking him. I'll say even a broken clock is right, twice a day, and this far as I'm gonna go with giving him any sort of credit for anything. Hmm. So I'm so glad that we talked

about the dyp of it all. Get out of the way, so we, yeah. Yeah, Glenn's are focused on after other things. Yeah. So why mention Kim soohyun. He is the only member of the ensemble cast who was not an idol. In still, is not an idle. Never was part of a group or anything but he did train for three months at jyp entertainment, in order to portray this role. Well and kind of hone in on his singing and dancing. So that's a very admirable to go

three months. I mean, I don't know if they put him through like the ringer necessarily but you know, I'm sure that it was difficult. Difficult thing. Do you guys have anything to else? Adds? I have a little more fun facts about the show. No, okay. So like I said before, I was really the drift of the show was popular, especially popular among teenagers and the average viewership ratings were about 15.7% during its two-month run.

And I don't know if you got Around to watching this, I didn't have time to watch the special episode episode 17. I watched a chunk of it, unfortunately. Dead. Okay. Couldn't couldn't bring myself to do it. Not the first time not the second time we're making faces here, guys. Yeah. So the cast of the show performed in a special concert in Seoul and that was aired, the After the series ended and that's episode 17. I have to this day.

I don't think I've ever watched episode Just Clips here and there, but not well, produced, two home surprised. Nobody's it's not like the, you know, the games and stuff, there's awkwardness. There's just it's not good. I watch like maybe 20 minutes of it because once the show ended, I was like, did I really am like this? Like this is it like there's no, like nothing else. That's that's where you're gonna have, like, whatever? I'm like you guys thought through this.

Like I sat through it and this is how you're going to freaking I like pay me back kind of thing. So, at some point I was like, I can't, so I stopped. Yeah, okay. Well, fair enough, I kind of had the same feeling when I was like, you know what? This is that's enough. Do I need to watch episode 17?

No, I don't think I do. It's not required reading, but like I said, that the show did pretty well, like when it aired and it won a bunch of KBS drama awards, like best supporting actress for Eun Ji. Best new actor, in popularity, award for Kim Soo-hyun, best new actress for Bae Suzy. Well, I will say the second reason. So, the first thing that kept me alive, was suing on the second thing was even, geez acting, like I loved her, I hate who she

became at the end of the show. She actually had like all the substance. I was like the evil stepmother teacher person and then love. I don't know when she became this. Like something good is happening, and I'm just going to cry. I 45 minutes for no. Absolute like reason, and the whole like clipping in the flower thing on. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh mama like no. Yeah, this is, she was one of the teachers in the show, for those who don't know, she was

teacher. She and she was like a freaking badass, the bad at all the bodies. Yes. And her hairstyle was like, kind of like slightly before it was cool to do that like hairstyle. Yeah. She's like, Ian flag, stop before. The can I speak to your manager? She had this like, cool. But yeah, and she's been in so many shows like princess hours. She was a princess haemyeong. She's been in the King. Two hearts, as a cameo, she's been in Revolutionary. Love the third charm.

Extraordinary attorney Wu as jisoo. My don't remember that character. You guys remember that character? I was looking into it too because I saw that pekerman and she had like both been on that. Yeah and I was like I don't remember her, it doesn't really ring a bell because I was like wow what a bad bitch I need to watch more. So she was so like a second person that I looked into that I

wanted to see more of her. I'll tell ya, I think that if you watch her in Princess hours, you'll enjoy her character. She's like a really strong sweet prince at the completely opposite of her. Her character here and Dream High, but I think she's wheelchair-bound as long as it's like make sense. I just want the character to make sense. Oh, you know, it she makes sense. And Princess hours, I definitely liked her character. She's a pleasure in that.

So she 14, what was it? Yeah, best supporting actress. Best new actress for Bae Suzy best. Couple award for Kim Soo-hyun, and Bae Suzy. And this is all the KBS drama awards. The show was nominated for a bunch more, including a bunch of back song Awards. They did not win any better. On the wards but they were nominated which is a big deal in and of itself. The sequel, like I said, aired a year later with a different cast.

Sorry, Kang soda, got7's JB and jinyoung 2am's jinwoon, Tiaras jinyo Jian and sisters, Hulan a lie and park Puck. So June like Park seojun was in Dream High 2. Start somewhere Dream, High was adapted into a Japanese stage Musical. And speaking of musicals, they have announced that it's going to be a stage musical in Korea. It's supposed to open this year, I don't know if that's still happening, if they're working towards that or if it's just going to be like surprise here it is.

But yeah, that's a it's quite a legacy that it has. You're not what I wondered while I watched it because the Thing that I did talk with loud about is like, she knows that I can't do cringe and and and she knew that I wasn't going to like the show because of that. So what I wondered in a few times like of the moments of the show did have some solid just grounding woman's. There is what if it had been done in 2022. Uh-huh.

With love all play treatment like if it had been With that writing style with that camera style with that acting style. I don't think I would have had such a hard time watching it as I as you know, what it was again it's just me because clearly like it did well when it when it came out.

And also I looked for other negative reviews because I felt very alone and I was like, I feel like I'm the only person who's ever going to say anything negative about the show and I was like, I don't want to be cancelled at this point in my life. But and I really couldn't find any negative reviews. Like, I mean, I'm not going to say I look for hours but I look like just briefly.

Yeah and yeah, I couldn't find anything but I really was thinking if that show had been made today with the right budget, really? It's a problem and the right people. It would have been better. I think the people were right, like, the actors are right. It was just, they were at the very beginning of their career. I did YP was way too involved. So if you take away his grin genus and like, I said, give it a whole different, like, backup, or like, sauces, it'd be pretty good.

I think some people wanted in the comments on Tick-Tock. People were like, I hope they do this with stray kids. Like, do a Dream High, like really targets immediately, please. All right, I wanted to bring it up and see her reaction. Perfect. So, you guys are like hell, no, no, no. Um, let our lotta friends who do Like, the commercial acting keep straight kids because they're doing great with those. I love that for them, they're great for that.

They have the budget, they can do that, it's got you. Yeah, it's not that stray cats can act. Just to be clear. I think that they can act. I just don't want kdrama heaviness like cringy kdrama heaviness on. It was like to give an idea for people that are not gonna watch the show ever. There is an entire TV Tropes dot-org article on the trope. Is that are featured in Dream High which is pretty rare for them to do for a kdrama. I played a note about that how

many tropes like it was. They were so sorry but it was. Yeah. Single card with the tropes I started scrolling through to see if I could like include any in the episode. I was like this is too many troops to stay on a single, you know, podcast episode. I was like, this is so so many atoms children, swim that a character. It's not even like, even like more like collectors. Like Niche ones, put on a bus.

I didn't know that was a Trope and in-universe example jinguk's, politician, dad aims to do this, to him, by sending him out of the country, out of the country. So that no one can find out. He abandoned, his might like, that's a put on a bus Trope, thin here, punch a wall tro, princess in rags, Trope, I'm telling you, it's endless Master of the mixed message Trope, love triangle Trope.

I mean, I mean It's endless. So I might link that in the show notes in case, anybody is interested in seeing every single trip, that Dream, High utilized throughout, and I'll ask quickly, it's like a like, a novela like eight style is the way that it's shot. So maybe, Maybe you like that, so maybe you would like, maybe you like it. I mean, I didn't like it. I didn't feel any type of way about it. My parents would love it.

They love this type of Novella type that you like, only heirs around 4 p.m. or 7:00 p.m., oh, they love it, they love it. Yeah, I didn't feel any type of way about it. The first time I watched him high this time I was like this is unwatchable. But speaking of unwatchable, the last topic that I wanted to talk about before we give her scores and get into spoilers was Bae Suzy, what did you think of basis? He's acting. Personally, it wasn't bad, but it was just very, I mean, don't

get me wrong. Take you on was also kind of OneNote, but he was, I love him. So it's like there's no real reason but to hers was very just one note throughout. And what I did appreciate is the way that she could form. These really, really big, big tears that like, rolled down her face. I was like, damn girl you hydrated. It's like Really big tears. I mean, I'm not quite sure if this was her first one. I think it might be her first one.

So you could. I mean, you could just tell that they just didn't have a lot of Experience is indeed. The first thing that Susie has ever done, ever in her acting career. All of them, could cry really easily. And that's another note that I was positive that I wrote like whatever acting training, they received or whatever, trauma they've been to in their lives. Like I feel bad for them because of ability to cry on cue.

All of them was extremely impressive to me, because I'm like, I'm like, I know actors are trained for this, but even this level of crying, I was very surprised with her. I will tell you and this is about the character not about Susie, so please no one. Come for me. What I wrote from episode one, at the end was no redeeming qualities of than a sad story complete. Oh bitch, I hate her like that kind of person who just like is entitled to, like, everyone give me my flowers just cuz I exist.

Like, I don't, I don't like those characters at all.

And the fact that at the end of the story, they tried to make sense of it of like oh she's just a clone of her dad and that's why she's the way she is. Oh, true also doesn't math as a reason for being the way she was, as far as Susie's acting it gave Kristen Stewart with like, oh, this is the face that I make when I'm sad and this is the That I make when I'm happy and whatever like it tried, they tried to make a comedic but I wasn't really even at the end when she had transformed and now

she was like, actually like allowing herself to feel things. It wasn't really there for me. So I okay was not a fan of her first acting job, but I'm looking forward to seeing what she's done more recently. The only acting part where I was like, okay, I believe it was not the only one, but one that's really stuck to me was oh, but this is Ehlers. Okay, you know what will say that for spoilers? I will just say my general thoughts about will jump right

back into Susie after spoilers. But my general thought on her acting in this was that I was Atrocious. I thought I thought she was atrocious and like coming back to it. After seeing seeing other Susie performances, I'm like either she's improved or she's done a really good job of hiding how bad she is at acting by being in great dramas. Mmm, because dramas better than she is watching her, but I had heard so many good things about her, I think Also came in with pretty high expectations.

So the shock and the fall was even harder for me when I watched the acting here. So and we'll was sad for me, is that I could see glimpses of other characters and other acting performances that she's done since Dream High in Dream High. And I'm like, oh no, is it just because she's a bad actress and she's sort of like, masking her inadequacies very well nowadays. I was like, Thinking my entire opinion. Yeah, it's her inexperience acting with terrible writing is not good formula.

True. It's not as she really didn't have a lot to work with to be exact because of the bad writing. So it was just a bad. Yeah, I feel bad. I feel terrible. But anyway, what would you give the show out of five Soldier bottles? Oh no. Realistically like realistically? I think just let it fly anything above a to his wrong but just for like Nostalgia, I guess a three. But like anything above a 2 is wrong. In my personal opinion, I'm sorry Tyson.

I actually do like it, but if I have to be like II like the drama and like this is the first time that you watched it without anything of these, you know conversation. Oh the first time I watched it, I knew it was bad but again I have this really, really nice. Genre of movies or cage. Dramas that I really enjoy the cringe. Like the cringer it is the better like sometimes on Netflix. I'll watch like the really cringey like Teenage stuff without like everyone's like it.

And I'm like, oh, this is terrible. What am I doing? I questioned my whole life but I can't stop watching it and this is that. So it ranks high in my personal but I know that it's not good. You like yeah, does that make sense? Like I do? I do understand that completely. Yeah, well, okay for me. I had thought about if I wanted to get cancelled by reading at a one or if I was going to give it a 2 just for Who's Gonna Cancel you?

I don't know. Girl, I just you know, social media makes me think things and I'm just scared of people but okay, no I just honestly speaking, I was somewhere between A1 and A2 like I'm not going to give it a 1.5. I think I could solidly say like for me it's a 1025 unwatchable. Would never recommend it to anyone that I like a pretty like I respect it. I respect someone I would never Be like you should watch stream high?

Like, no, go on. If you want to know what happened going, Wikipedia don't even watch a clip because it's not worth it like clips of what the dancing. That was terrible. You know okay like it's a 1025 I said what I said, cancel me fuck it. Oh wow. Okay so for me I think I'm going to give it a two and a half if you if I think of it on a good day after listening to it like a bunch of to p.m. songs and maybe I'll give it a 3 out of 5 for this.

Nostalgia pure Nostalgia because even after I watched Dream High and if you look go back and listen to some other episodes Depok, where I talk about Dream High briefly, I'm like it's a joke, like it's a joke of a kdrama. It's not a true, right? Kdrama. It is a tongue-in-cheek. These are Idols. It's an idol drama before. Like it was cool to be an idol in a drama, you know, nothing. It is worst-case scenario.

I would say because they're playing to their strengths, their playing affects families of themselves. And, you know, it's not heavy lifting at all for them. So maybe a three on a good day, but really, it's like a two and a half. Yeah, I had half out of five, so I'll give it five out of five bottles of Soju. In terms of, I would have to drink five bottles, to be able to you know, just for Or so he owns eyes.

I'd give it a 5 out of 5. Do you know what the real gets a 5 out of 5 for me, guess 10 out of five my God. So good in this. Oh my God. Alright, so we're just we're just about done with the general section. We're going to get into spoilers right after this. You want to come in. All right, we're on the other side of Let's jump back to Susie and what allowed are you were talking about? This is going to be a bit of a spoiler. So why don't you show us the only time that I believed her?

And this is only because she was literally in her element was when one of the exams came up and they had to emote, or sing the song with like, emotion when she sang that I believed her because she's a Singer and she's literally been training to do this. So when she sang it, I was like,

okay. Like, if you could do this for the rest of the look of the like series, it's be great, but it was just like a slight little moment where I was like, okay, she has potential, but it was just her doing her job. So it was a pivotal moment for the character that I was a turning point for her. So it showed like she did it. Well, she played wounds with. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what all right there. And I'd have all the emotions looking at talking a face like

that, like, singing. Well thing, not just that back in my chair. Like, um, how do I put this? This show is maybe like a Cross between Step Up, High School Musical and Camp Rock and the story, super obvious. The conflicts are very clear. This drama doesn't do anything, terribly new, but it does tap into, like I said before, a lot of stuff that's positive about youth dramas or School, dramas. And that it's all about feels, it's all about heart. And ultimately, the story is a nun.

About an underdogs, it's an Underdog Story and we can all root for underdogs. So the I think in episode 1, they teased that there's this artist K whose we're going to perform at the Grammys and he's a huge star. The first Korean artists to perform at the Grammys and this is in 2018 that is the present day. I guess that were at the rest of the shows a flashback essentially, but did any of you guess who artist K was I, when I first watched it, no, I mean not that very end, you realize who

it is? But no, I didn't. Okay, I thought I didn't group, I didn't person. So, I at first, it was just giving a lot of like the current conversation with like South Korean talent and all the groups vying for American attention. So I thought it was like, immediately from that, I didn't really like understand on the moment until the end that I was a solo person. Yeah, I see. Okay, how sick of the pendant necklace? Did you get by the end of the show? Girl?

I wanted it. I was like, yo, where's the merch? Can I get a pendant? Like to be lucky for x amount of time, please? I thought it was really ugly necklace too.

Disgusting disgusting. It look like a, you know, an Olympics logo from 1998. Those like stuck in, just looking up and inform it look like, you know, now when kids the commercial like your kid can draw an animal and we can bring it to life, it looked like a director asks, his kids to do like a Logo. And then they printed it like 3D prints of it. Uh-huh. I also thought this was funny that the in episode 1, the introduced Susie as an opera singer.

Oh awesome. I was like, what literally have a note that says it's in. Spanish can lick it up. Susie get account and Oprah, don't know, no, but Kalama, who would believe she's singing it. She She's it. Oh my God, it was so bad. It was bad. Is that? And then she got accepted into Juilliard, you expect me to believe that I don't. So that's a question that I had watching this whole drama. How old are they? So like, how old are they supposed to be? Like, are they supposed to be

just getting into High School? Are they at the end of high school? So like Juilliard. What a 12? Like, no, they have to be tea. M, I want to say like 17 or 18 years old, which is why they can be considered freshman because they still have a further two years before they're considered adults, and they're 20 years old and out of high school. So, I guess there H is 18 and going to Juilliard. I guess she doesn't need to finish her version of high school of the suspension of

disbelief at the end. Also, when like, oh your aunt, got you a spot of Juilliard. Oh no, that's not how this works. Like that was terrible. That's what I'm Saying like the the math wasn't mouthing the, the eyes weren't daughter. The t's were not crossed like it was impossible. How they were getting from point A to point B, every rent of this.

Yeah. Yeah. The aunt had some art that we never see is like going to pay for her tuition and like, but you got her, the dead disappear so that this girl didn't have to, like, literally go into it. No, it's not. It's very confusing. Overall, did you guys get excited with Kim hyung Young at the airport in episode 1. He's one of the members is Over, Flowers F4. Did you get excited? Yeah, I'm just because just because I I really liked him, even though I hated the drama, I just liked him.

So, when I, when I saw him I was like, okay, cute. Don't know why you're there but cute. Okay, I see ya. Did you recognize him Kathy? All right, that's fair. His career is basically done. I don't think he's done anything recent look, you know, but he was a famous Alum of kid in arts high school and that's how he looks like shoehorned into the drama. Very cool though, but Tech gets introduced. I thought Tech was so cool. Like from day one I was like text character. Is such a cool dude.

Like he's a bad bad boy archetype but with a heart of gold and he saves Susie from these Thugs who like water to pay back her father's debt with her body and because that's a thing I guess and what is it? He starts jumping over cars and in slow motion Crazy 88 like being with like 10 people coming at you and you're like and got all of them. Yeah. You just doing parkour?

Oh God. Some of the references though that they do for current K-pop stars or current artists are like way dated because the debt collector dude who becomes like a Ally later in the show. He, yeah, he wants to use. He wants Susie to pay back the debt in by becoming a famous K-pop artists and debuting. He wants to To be famous like Iggy OD. And I was like, whoa, that's like Whiplash because that's a name that you don't even hear nowadays. Yo, D, you know?

Yeah, it's dated. It's dated, but I don't know about you guys, but there was some needle drops that like I did end up listening to after the show finished and one of them happens in episode 2 where wooyoung is dancing outside of the audition Hall and the end. Is watching him do this like weird ass like dance routine? I, what I think weird, it's just, it's like, dated as hell like it's that's not considered Stellar dancing by today's standard.

So he's like doing these like really, like, dated America's Got Talent. Yeah, yeah. And go through. He doesn't. Not go through but we young is dancing to NEOS one in a million and I was like, oh my God, I love this song. Like even today Tech, I know usually about the OST at the end of the. Yeah, the recording. But that's just like talked about.

The only thing that I was like, you know what, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the fact that like, the Star Wars OST is playing right now, like, why is what? Are so much John Williams in this show. I know there are little Wayne 6 ft 7 in this. So want to know like Neo power. See I get it. Okay. All right. Right right right. Yeah. Oh I go wait six foot seven Star Wars, I don't know. Cool I had a moment when I don't I don't know what episode this is but Tech is on like a daytime.

Talk show with his dad because the dad's trying to spin this This story like oh he's not my biological son, he's my adopted son whatever because he's an asshole and a politician and when he's saying this whole excessive story of how he adopted text character, they're playing the main theme of Schindler's List about that and I was like what? I was just taken aback. I was so taken aback because you're telling me the like sad violin music that you choose to

put behind this. Very fake sob story. That the dad is giving on daytime television here in the show is Schindler's like Schindler's List. Are you kidding? Which is why I was saying like it's not just Star Wars. John Williams, it's Schindler's List. John Williams tube in the show. I mean, that's, I mean, that was a lot. I just did they get the rights? Like are they paying royalties? Are they gonna go? I don't know.

That's what I wondered to. I'm like, you can't use the Star Wars. I'm like, I know they use it for less than 10 seconds but you can't use like sorry, oops, that's seriously. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's where all their money one. Oh to licensing these songs. Yeah the John Williams stuff instead of properly warming they're actors. I was so pissed off. These people were freezing the whole time. Oh, Swan Lake yeah, that was another one where they did a whole routine freezing breath.

And the okay, so what we're referring to, for those who haven't watched the show in her, in the spoiler section, But entire show was shot during the winter. It's a winter show through and through and they apparently evidently had zero Heating in any of the production.

And so you see their breath throughout the show every actor when they're breathing when they're talking you see their breath and it's unnerving that all your entire production was it in freezing temperatures and they're dressing. These they're wearing miniskirts are worrying. Little clothing little Blazers and that's it. Like the only one that was okay. Was, I you because she had a fat suit for half. Literally I, oh, my God. Everyone else was struggling. Let's talk about.

Hey, cuties you years where? Oh my God, they were so they and body inside the building than and the outside. See ya? I got bronchitis from watching the show. Horrible horrible. All of them guts, super sick. That's like it was terrible. It was very distracting as well. Are we watching real? Like I don't care what they're saying. That girls freezing freezing your ass off like Jenna of disbelief? Yeah yeah. So let's talk about IU in the fat suit.

Now when I first of all, when I originally watched the show I had no idea who I you was. So when they started, removing the fat suit and the Prosthetics on her face and stuff, I was shocked at how beautiful this random like woman was, I was like this girl is stunning and her voice is amazing. This was my introduction to. I you what did you guys feel about IU in the fat suit and her whole characterization and how the cast are not cast but how the other characters treated her

throughout the show? I hated every second of it. Yeah. Like, the fat suit was horribly made like they only it wasn't a fat suit. They just took her leggings or whatever. She was wearing them and then patted them but they patted it like horrible. Like it would not have gone well in like drag race like it was just terrible. Terrible terrible. He's like lumpy and like weird and then it stopped at the knees. They didn't go all the way up the thighs.

So it was just like Really really like bulb Louis like lower part of the leg and then like super skinny, super skinny thighs. And it was just, it was I, I hated every second she had started losing weight even though she was like, still eating a lot, but it was like they just took off the face Prosthetics, but her brother was the same, right, right. And then the storyline it.

So I mean the only thing that I I like didn't hate and I was okay props to them was like okay she lost the weight after the 200 days or whatever and then Jason was trying to like get something out of her and she's like actually I just realized that you were trash. So like by, oh my God, that was like that too. The children who wears a fedora

like this over one. I gotta hit it that Fedora and the Bad English. Like the bad pronunciation, I think I heard that Tech was helping him with his English pronunciation. But I was like, wow, do something about that? I'm like, the irony of like, Tech, actually speaking English, but they didn't put them on that role, but they put Young on that role of the police. Anything makes sense. Do you know?

I thought, I didn't think much of the English the first time I Watched it of Jason's English, but on this watch I was like he's terrible. Like, it's terrible pronunciation. Yeah. He's trying though. There's always led into the thing of why he started out basically like only speaking English and no one could understand him but he speaks perfect Korean and he has a sister named Julie but like Jason and Julie. So like do you have an American mom? Like what is the tsys?

Like we were got it. Exactly understood. Why? Why they don't care. I mean, it's my villain origin story and I think it's why Jason. Who is Jason? Tell us who he is. What was I talking about? Oh, I use. So. Are you in the fat suit? I think it's really sad because the show doesn't do such a good job of providing a or refuting like this that phobia. The teachers are the ones that tell her like you got, you got to lose weight.

And what was the teacher was? She was saying, like, you should eat breakfast like a queen and lunch like a whatever. And then my whole life growing up by the way. Yeah, it's a common everyday of my life advice for people if you want to lose weight weight like don't eat a large dinner, eat a large breakfast and whatever and I just feel like it's just perpetuating this terrible cycle.

Kle of, you know, self-loathing and self-hatred that she ends up talking briefly about towards the end of the show where she was. Like, if I continue down this road, trying to be an idol and trying to get famous, they're just going to dig up these photos of me when I was fat. And I was happy when I was fat, I loved my life when I was fat, I was I didn't hate myself in the slightest and they're going to make me hate myself. That was cute and I was like,

that's a lot, that's a nice. An incredibly nuanced take on, you know, being overweight in this in an industry, that just will not support that and the way that she ends up at the end of the show, which is, I don't know if you guys liked it or hated it or had no feelings toward it. But she ends up being like, an elementary school or preschool teacher teacher. Yeah. And she's singing to the students that's like her Outlet. Her musical Outlet is just to like sing to her.

A little students and she's gained back some weight. Not like how she was with the beginning with the Prosthetics but she's gained back, some of some weight, and she's still semi dating Jason, I guess I don't even know what's going on there. But I think the way that they handled the relationship between her and Jason turned out to be a plus for me because Jason ended up liking her when she was fat.

And the photo that he had on his phone background was her with all of the Prosthetics. And when she was at her heaviest, and I was like, that's something right. The American thing, he had to literally only thing that makes sense, right? I wish they had written it better. I guess. When, because he'd rejected her when she confessed her feelings and she was still overweight. So I was like I think that was a mess. I think he should have

definitely done more, I guess. Romantically when she was overweight, then suddenly 200 days later and she starved herself to be. I you now suddenly he wants the confession out of her. I agree. But I say, I don't know. If I was the only one who liked saw it this way when he, like she was the one that offered, she's like, give me 200 days and I'll be, yeah. Wait, yeah. Yeah, he didn't. He knew that? It was like, the commercial

like, right? Play so I thought like he was like, okay fine, lose the weight but it wasn't for him. It was no, it was for the better for the music. Exactly. It was for her career, liked it liked I liked it. Wasn't he wasn't at by, don't know if he wasn't expecting her to actually go through with it. I'm like lose the weight but I, at least appreciated that he really had no selfish interest there. He just wanted her to get her flowers.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, he was sort of tricking her into Losing weight so that she could further her career and get credit where she deserved credit, because they were stealing her voice like Singing in the Rain Styles. So I like ended up liking Jason as a character. I thought he had, you know, a lot of these characters had major growth throughout the series and Jason's one of them. I you I don't think she necessarily changed throughout the show, her character sort of say the same.

She was very sweet and Just a lovely sort of character who loved herself if she was fat or skinny or whatever which is powerful, I thought that was powerful. That's what I said that it was cute when you mention the speech, like the fact that she said like I was happy then that's a powerful thing that I don't think we get to hear often on TV. People actually like being happy and accepting themselves when they're not at the weight that everyone wants them to be. Hmm.

That was a I think it would have been even more powerful in the long run. If I use appearance sort of changed over time, Time. Right? She still looks exactly like she did in the show. She still is sort of ageless she's still super skinny and I don't know if there's any truth to this. I remember hearing some people like on Tick-Tock trying to trying to do the IU diet, which is like a sweet potato and a carrot or something like that. It was like something wild.

Like, she basically doesn't eat that sounds about, right? And I was like, so then I'm like, this is like Not not that she necessarily needs to believe the message that she puts forth in any of the dramas or movies that she does, but it would be really nice if she just ate like a regular person wasn't eating sweet but to do sweet potatoes, a day or whatever it is. No idle eats like a normal person. It's sad. It's so sad. Like literally. No. I don't eat like a normal person.

When did you see them when we see? Like, the biggest evidence is, when any of them go to the military like know. Jin just posted a picture, not to make everything about Idols all the time. But he just posted its entire drama and it's like oh they're eating three times a day and they look like a normal person. Every like BTS is one of the idol groups that tend to talk about dieting and starving themselves more than other groups do. And most of them eat one meal a

day. If if, at all like they say specifically, like today is no food day. Like today, I only had a protein shake, they're all like to get there. Little jaw looks and everything they don't eat like any normal person. So I'm not surprised that if I if you told me, I you eats three little, like things of grass I would be like. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't not. Yeah. So who is the person that I was just talking to somebody about the oh ray rain.

So I was talking to somebody about rain because rain is still keeping up, his insane physique. He's incredibly fit and I think he's still just eats one meal a day. Day. Yeah you call one like large meal a day famously eats only one meal a day. Like the most of the people will talk about this openly because for them Eating Disorders are normal, right? And that way. So yeah, it's it's incredibly disheartening like Kai talks about it a lot.

He says to all his fans he's like you guys need to eat not like us because we don't eat correctly. If this wasn't my job, I would eat like Normal person, but because I chose this life, I have to eat the way that I have to to maintain the body but you guys shouldn't follow what we do because it's not good. You know, they did say that in the show, I think. One of the teachers was like, you know, part of this career or part of this job is maintaining

this look right. And if everyone could do it then they would but not everyone can do it. So that's why people respect and admire this sort of Of aspirational, look that you project as a KPop star and I was like, okay cool. So we're just going to starve people and create Eating Disorders, left and right just to maintain up. Prop up this industry and I'm like I'm like this is all problematic, right? Like nothing is is okay about idolizing these people that look

like this? When what do they have to do to create this isn't natural, you know. And I'm sure a lot of girls especially because you're my Mentioned earlier like the, they had a heavy demographic of teenagers watching the show back there.

Yeah. Tried the diet that I use character did because they kind of showed some sketches on TV of like the food that she would eat in the morning and right night, I'm sure many girls tried it themselves, just to get the same results kind of thing and it's just not healthy for the society as a whole. But Korea is not there yet, not yet. Do you know, I My sister has a friend or an acquaintance, who is Asian and she said that she

was a trainee. And I when my sister told me that I was like, oh fuck like what did she? What was the group that she was possibly going to be in? And they were she was like, she said that she was going to be an SNSD Girls Generation allows like you're fucking joking.

So the reason why she quit was because they wanted her to get a bunch of plastic surgery, but on top of that, she is on the normal side as far as Height, I guess she's like 54 so and they wanted her to get leg extension surgery, which is a major freaking surgery for her to get a little more height for her to be taller. And she was like, now I'm tapping out, like, I'm not doing that and I was like, are you kidding? Like even? I didn't think to that effect. Oh no, they would go.

Yeah, so I was I mean what other podcast episode? Can I talk about this crazy story? But, yeah, I was like insane. What are we here? Nothing is really surprising. When it comes to like agencies, and the lens idle Idols will go to. And I had seen recently, some, I guess, Wes tarnish, interviewer went to some K-pop group. Like, I don't know if their trainees or what they are, like a girl group to interview them at their dorms, and I don't know why they ended up opening the

fridge. And it was only eggs and chicken like eggs and chicken breast. Like, they don't have they can Not cheat because they don't have a way to cheat and get food. Like they genuinely, don't, they're not afforded, they're not given because they live on the stipend of the company. So, whatever they're allowed to buy, like they don't really have money of their own.

So, eating is not a priority. And plastic surgery is literally for everyone, and they have to just do these crazy things, because they get brainwashed into thinking that this is the only way that they'll succeed, right, and that they have to do these things. So it doesn't truly, like, I don't discuss It is closed, which is why, which is why going back to our non-spoiler section. We were so pissed about jyp

being. So the champion of, yeah, of the kids that, you know, I should get all the awards based on their talent and nothing about looks and nothing about this. Yeah, shut up. Like get out. The Justin has current lineup of groups it see. Oh my God! They're everywhere.

Time. I look at them, I it just makes me like my whole like stomach and like everything just starts to like, flip over and do a bunch of things because there's no way, there's no way like there's zero like muscle like, no, well, body fat in general, but like like these girls are like like skin on bone like because, you know, it's a contrast to see twice because twice, actually, like they look more normal and they look like they have Have meat on them and

they are not seemingly at least like starving, but it see. Looks like they're starving like the, the clavicles like that hallowed like faces. It's not good. The city did not good. The hit the head like you can see it like you can see it like come. It's just you see that and then you see what he was trying and is still trying to portray himself as it's like my guy. No, no. Okay, well, okay.

So let's talk about games, dookie on, and a little bit about his relationship with Susy because when we first meet Kim sohyun, he's literally wearing a fertilizer bag as a costume. I never wore that his talents contest in his small hick town and Susie's like the city girls. And I have this Trope of like the country boy in the city girl but she Lies to him outright to get him to come to Seoul. And it's so sad. I mean, you just how do I put it?

I'm never on Susie side like throughout the show. Her character is just horrendous and even when she sort of sobers up and learns to feel and learns how to be a human and learns, how to have empathy and sympathy for others. I'm still like, yeah, I don't like this bitch. And what I don't know how you guys felt about their relationship in the way that you know, the whole scene of him running. After the bus and one just to ask you when she was leaving his town.

And she run, he runs after the bus and she tells him that she likes him. But oh, I like you, what come to Seoul. She this is the only time I'll defend her the entire time. She asked him. What would it take? Like, what do you want me to hear? Ye so you can come like she if you fall for that, that's on you about. Like it's it's not, it's not her like wussy. What's sad? Is that?

He knows that she's lying because he turns around and he's like, clutching his chest like his, if he's just like completely stirred and he goes, oh, she's such a bad. She's so terrible. She's lying. I know she's lying to me and you're immediately on his team on his side because he's so adorable. So lovable, so gullible and he still goes to Soul even though he his common sense is telling him, this bitch is lying to him just to get To go to Seoul and join the school.

I appreciated the fact that she I think this is the only drama that I've seen where they take the main characters, bitchiness to this level because there has been other dramas where the main lead the mail for the main female lead is a little bit bitchy, but they have a lot of redeeming qualities. This one, she barely has any so it's very it's very unique. Because it's very unique II. Do appreciate the fact that they even when she changes her core is still very much the same.

There isn't really a very big 180 because that 180 would have been even less believable than like, right. A lot of things are unbelievable here, but like, that would have been just like this is your guys aren't need a break right now. Like this is too much, so I do like the fact that even when she changes for the good, it's It's not that good still because she's such a bitch like so terrible. Yeah. It's yeah, did you guys laugh

though? She stays at their house at his house, is a pooping with his mom. Well sipping seen. I hated he so she's like I got out of the bathroom, they live in the middle of nowhere and the moms like okay you know, Kim Sue. He owns character will take you and she goes. Why do I need somebody to go with him? If with me and they're like oh the wild boars are it could could come up on you and like wreck you and she's like what

there's a freaking out. Outhouse and it's like we said, freezing in the middle of winter, so there's snow on the ground. He walks her to this Outhouse and she's poop shy understandably. And I think she tells him, like, why don't you sing something for me and he's like, no, why don't you sing? And she starts singing. This song Only Hope from. I know it from A Walk to Remember. Do you guys remember that movie? Oh my God, that song. It's just a suspension of disbelief.

How am I supposed to like understand? And and problem that you can sing while you are literally pooping like pulling? No, Mom. Aunt. And you're already pooped. I like that. Yeah gonna work out they have phones like she could have just played something true true like it's it just I hate it. I don't like the toilet humor that a lot of kdramas use It's not, it's not funny, it's cheap and unnecessary to be quite honest.

You guys know, like, the first drama that I watched was Hong Kong, and there's a lot of poop humor in that drama. And I remember texting Lauda, every time that I saw him like I don't get it, like, I don't get it. And again, I'm still less than 10 K dramas and to make a drama like experience. And every time I see it, I'm just like, well, why? I get like, it's lowbrow it, bro. It's a cultural thing but it just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. So they had this whole CC seen

worse. Susie's pooping. And she sings the song, I could not write this myself. Anyway, one of my favorite things about Suzanne to also his relationship with his mom was really sweet and when they're all sweet each other. The solder either dialect. Oh my God. I heard it was just so so cute. He's talking and I like the whole move the whole show and when he's with her he's like heavier. Also miss our country bumpkin can't like you know not doesn't know anything about life ends up in Japan.

Speaking like an English to the like understanding the English. You know, it's a girl. How many things do you want me to like, how do you want? How much do you want me to gas like myself for me to think that this is actually like feasible any of this? And I don't know the answer that but still here on ends up being artists K right by the end. He's the big artists performing at the Grammys which that didn't look like the Grammys by any stretch. But okay more. Especially as dismal.

No. No, no. But I kind of like that he was, he made it, you know, even though they had this whole whole freakin medical drama with him and his Progressive hearing loss in the tinnitus and all of that was like, I remember that being a huge deal, a huge reveal as well. When I first watched the show was like, they had this scene where he's watching Susie and Tech kiss on the ferris wheel, which was like, oh my God, what a blow and then he like collapses and I'm like, what's

going on? The start of the very next episode is them, is him in the hospital receiving this Gnosis that he's got progressing here a progressive hearing loss, and he's got to sort of shore up for eventual deafness and I was like, oh my God I like was really cut up about it because he's just getting going. He's just starting to train and sing and dance and all this stuff and now he can't sing anymore. I mean, it was this is very old school kdrama, but go through all his It's like, you know,

fighting his demons thing. And yes, thank creep because or like the creeps on truck comes on because of course creep has to be a part of every piece of like legendary to me or if not it's not legendary. I love the fact that he cut his hair and got a 0 earring like a piercing bad boy. He looked it, though. It's okay with me. I remember me. And then he was like, fine for two episodes and like he didn't have a hearing problem anymore. Uh-huh. Unlike later, I would come back

or it wouldn't. And then I'm like, there were entire videos on YouTube back. When I don't know, a bunch of YouTubers that I used to watch that, they were doing singing challenges. We're like singing with noise canceling things, so I can't hear my own like voice. You can't sing. Cannot if you can't hear yourself, no, like the unbelievable - of this isn't this, this tumult. I'm high. This all I want. Yeah.

I mean in 2012 or 13. I was like I don't think that's true but I just want to believe it. And then today I really we watching it. I'm like, this is impossible. You can't. You just can't. You need to be able to hear yourself in order to sing. It's just, he can't just find him. Then he had there were this thing where he was trying to learn Perfect Pitch and they were like, you can do it. You could do it.

Like no, you can't hear you. Speaking of disbelief and just out there, the fact that we're supposed to accept and forgive bakey for throwing a pot, trying to murder her friend. That happened and we're okay with her character by the end of the show, we're like, you know what, it wasn't that bad like this is a case of it's a it's a criminal case that they never sort of went into the even the teacher Kang was I we're not going to talk about like the murder that almost noticed.

She was missing the bun. How does she fix it it? Because Tech like found the button and then she, no, no, definitely had a, yeah, yeah. She By the time he confronted her and then he was like, oh I guess, but again I don't know. Like how does she notice that the fun went flying hottest, you know to fix it or change her jacket or whatever like he was an a-plus-plus. Murderer I guess because she knew what to fix the let her Alibi was okay and tecton.

It's just Spector anymore. But also how she starts with like the braids and things with like oh she's matching. She's matching bases. He's character to team, like the haircut, which actually suited her really well. And when they go into, like the Showcase later they add these horrid extension cord that you do you like the hair, it looked like a mullet, that was true. So like revived or not, because it's just too pollitos. Like two little strands of hair.

It's not even like a snot. It's tear, it wasn't like layers. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're going to do that, you have to put like multiple layers that it wasn't just like her Kirill hair and then long extensions. Again, the budget was limited and very it looked awful. And she looked terrible. She saw so, talking about terrible. She starts dancing, too. I think fly on the Wall by Miley Cyrus. There's a early episode. She's dancing, dip. All of those dancing sequences

and scenes were really bad. Like I know Mom can't dance and like they're talented but the way that the either the camera work or the way that they didn't have enough time to practice those dance sequences, it wasn't good like I don't know what was it like sharp, it wasn't clean choreo. It was very messy and very like, but they were trying to make up her with some of the Editing that they were doing. It was like cutting back to make it worse which made it worse in.

Yeah, it wasn't for these being real Idols. I didn't feel at all but they were dancing to the caliber that they should be. It was giving like the So You Think You Can Dance contest and that like cannot dance and is still going to audition, but it's just getting airtime because the show needs diversity or whatever or links up the butt of the joke. That's what I was giving. There was a lot of Butt of the joke like meta hilarity that was

happening throughout the show. And there was, I think there was like a jyp song that they played, don't leave me early on and they started playing what was it like Genie by SNSD as well. They were dancing to that song outside of the chicken shop. Like this is like current stuff and if you don't know who jyp was you wouldn't get The needle drop of his 90s song, you know what I'm saying?

There was also a lot of like If you know, you know type of jokes about being a trainee like the yeah, the jyp test dance thing that they deal with like the wave-like. Only funny part of jyp being there. Like the only time that I was like, okay I would have been fine if you were here for this, just one scene but the rest of it. But because at that point, like they kind of showed take you on a little bit and he really could

not hold his laughter. Yeah, because he was just like this is this is my life right now. Just you might not have seen those. This was more like Kpop content, but I think I came out last year, like rain, when to see stray cats. And he kind of talked about the backstory of that of, like jyp a strain to help him with like a choreography training program for trainees. And then he was the one that came up with this. Like wait, wait.

And like every jyp trainee has to master that in order for them to be able to remain and be Right. So that's why that's a big joke for like the idol Community or whatever people in the jyp know I've heard of the wave. I don't think I've seen that Rain video though. So I definitely have to go back and watch that. But I mean, I'm 2012. Did I know that that was a thing? No, no. Of course, it's the girlies that know, and the ones who don't like shit out of luck. Yeah, like oh sorry.

I was gonna go ahead there scene. So you can finish I thought here. No. No, go ahead. I was just gonna say how, like Jason wasn't at the actual showcase, and he still made the group.

Yes. Like I just like in the first episode when they're like, or was it the second episode when they decided they're going to go to Kieran High School when Becky like does a split and she's like, see I could make it to and it's like, okay, so you're going to just do a split and not gonna get you Well, I'm the arch nemesis Becky unforgivable. He's so good looking at. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. He's like, oh my dad would have liked taking me to the US.

Sir, you would have found your way back. I am done with you. That is treason. That is an ox top. You know that is absolutely how I feel felt Then and Now on re-watch that Tech did some like unforgivable like fully sins here and not the anything was directly. You know, it was not malicious but he should know the meaning of these things, right? Performing with Becky abandoning the team debuting without them.

Even though he like was like, oh let's promise to be on the same stage together and perform together whatever, like he just like completely went solo and all this stuff. So, another text that I sound louder while I was watching, was this entire show, could have been one episode had, they actually like texted each other and Absolutely 100% was like, hey, let's communicate talk to you later.

Like my dad's about to kick me out of the country and kidnap me. Like, you know, it's just, there's something so annoying about text character when it comes to those, like Middle episodes where he's at odds with Susie and the rest of the underdog kids in the regular prep class. Because he's that guy that's like less talk. Like every time you see me like let's talk, let's go here to talk and I'm like that is so freaking annoying. You ever had? Like a let's talk person your life.

Looks like there's nothing to talk about like we're done. Oh my God. I was so annoyed and also how they like debuted and then they're perfect. And they're winning like music shows for six months and then they come back. And they're like, guys, we can't graduate if we don't. Like when there's nothing on spreading hours, we don't have enough credit hours to graduate from this bogus school. So you have to go back and start

taking classes again. My I just remembered know because, like, I just went back to like the other the other side of the story with the teacher, the dad, and the mom owned the fact that this father left or left his two, daughters in Korea by themselves, with his ex-wife's.

Like, I don't know, if this doesn't make any lick of sense, is that Susie's back story is that her dad fucking I fled the country and was trying to Stage a comeback of his own and get back on his feet, financially in the States but he abandoned his two kids in Korea and was like why don't you guys go State not with family or some other like person that he knows good? Well enough. He was like, why don't you stay with this man? Who owes me all supposed to do?

Steer your mom. And had an affair with your mom. And, you know, I still don't understand if they knew that she died, or if they just thought that she liked left them. No, no, they knew that she got sick and died but they just didn't have this whole getting sick and dying to live during this Was babies. He has sung the child character, the child actors. Oh yes, and her little sister there. He cannot seen like the fact of how much she loved Tech and like would kiss him every chance that

she could. And that's the end of the end were like she's holding not at the end but like when she's so little she's holding text hand. And so he on goes for it and she goes black and like a knocks it out of the way. I was like, oh my queen like that little child was everything. So that was my third and final reason to live and that. Yeah, she's very much a Vibe. The Unseen Was a little weird though. A little crazy with all grown up and she was like, yeah.

Okay, hold on. Let's let's pause on that. Let's talk because I have a couple more things and then we can get to the ending scene in Little Rock this episode. So, you said in the pre, in the general non spoilery section, we talked about other 2 p.m. members that made an appearance in the show and it's cause there were these crazy cameos. Like up the other members Nichkhun made his Cameo dressed as like Romeo lying on the ground pretty sleepy.

Playing dead. And then, they also had this score p, played it on his phone, a Franco, zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet. So that famous score was playing on his phone and then I felt like the whole jingle that he was a part of because that's when these soul I use voice like do this. Sing sing this jingle to sell. I think it was a cell phone or something.

Yeah. Okay. That whole thing reminded me of like The Lollipop Song from back in the day, you know Lollipop song with I recently heard about the lollipop thing but I don't know what it is. Me neither okay So in a nutshell I'm actually like looking it up. Oh know if I look up lollipop just give me a little Wayne. That's not the right thing. Lollipop with big bang and 21. Okay. So this is weird. So there's a song called love, okay.

Oh my God, there's obviously on it while they were asking her like oh, you know like the iPhone this was out. So when you debuted what was the phone? And she goes lollipop and I was like I don't know, I don't know. I'm not an okay. So this is the first paragraph of the Wikipedia so it's legitimate information.

Soak a lollipop is a song by Big Bang in 21 created to promote a cell phone by LG Scion, it interpolates a 1958 Lollipop written by Julius Dixon. And Beverly, Ross song, achieves top spot on the various online charts. It was like super popular and a lollipop is used to debut 21 unofficially as it does not serve technically as their debut single. So then they followed that up with their official debut song. Fire. Which is, if have you seen the music video for a lollipop?

Oh my God. Okay, so this was like a whole freaking thing. This is back in 2009, right? They basically used this custom song Ang this custom jingle so to speak, lollipop with big bang and 21 singing this song to promote this phone. And if you look at the music video, it's like a commercial for this phone for this LG phone or whatever. This doesn't ring any bells at all. No, no.

We haven't scared. Like again, I only know that it's CL and 21 because I just watched the interview like two days ago, where she mentioned it. Okay. So that's what she's talking about is this LG Sion phone or whatever and lollipop. I encourage you to anyone, listening to look up the song, but lollipop, and this part of this show Dream High where they are taking like this jingle and promoting a cell phone with to K-pop Idols, essentially. Is to a tee. What lollipop was got it. Okay.

Wow, you see, you can see the girl it's just, you know, I guess. Yeah, I guess we have to talk about the God of dance. Oh God sequence with jyp in this red silk suit, dancing to Michael Jackson's Billie Jean. I definitely fast forward over that this time around. I quit watched I watched judging Lee. I don't know who this man thinks he is. Right? Right. I couldn't. That's that's my thing too. Is like he thinks he's hot shit. He really, really, really done.

He does. Hmm. I'm sorry for his did a whole concert in New York and La where they ended up having to put the tickets on Groupon and giving them out for free, just to be able to fill the venue somewhat and he's out here like posting whenever his stupid song came out, the groov box on and he's like, I gotta get, gotta get with like the stupidest fucking Corey of all time. He like some people were like posting challenges actually.

Like you, I don't know why trying to get his attention and then he like posted and he's like here, here's a Toriel to help people like yourself. and like, he actually thinks he is better than literally anyone like it's terrible. He's got a complex. Yeah, but in that saying that same episode, The Girl Who Stole I use voice is like, who is that? Girl, I've never seen her around

here before. It's I you And Jason is she's like taking a oh just because you lose some weight doesn't mean you can debut and he goes well you debuted and you're talentless singer. So he's like if you're a five-second thing or whatever. Yeah, that was very that was a good burn. That was like, oh my God. I love that burns so much. I thought it was a plus plus it's up there for me with sing to me. Paulo just like one of the sickest Burns in history.

It's like so stupid, I have This weird list in my head, okay? And, you know, when he said that a couple of Idols came into my mind. Oh God, that are. Who were they named them? Oh, I'm not gonna do that. Oh no. Some people don't mind.

You know, what I wrote down this is just stupid, but I just saw it and I made me laugh that Becky went Showgirls with the Pearl. Spilling thing with like with the Thumbtack in the shoe and all the other like nasty things that she did during the show, like going back to your thing of like forgiving her for literal assassination attempts, right? And they're both of those characters were Redeemable, it's true. Did you feel any type of way

about the Dream High song? Yeah, I mean, it's it's good for what it was, I guess. Like, I'm not going to play it but maybe I should add a lot more Nostalgia for it because when they started playing it again and I was like oh my God it's the dream, my song. Yeah really excited about that was like yeah it was cute like it's better than the drama I guess for sure in terms of like quality and delivering what it like it did what I needed to do because Rama didn't.

Wow. But last Cami, I think I have here from 2 p.m. is the chan-sung Cambio where he's Meats like the house Noona in the snow boxer, back to the house and like covers her head with a scarf and she kisses him because she's drunk and when she pulls back it's actually like the nightclub Oishi. So I think I had a problem with it because there's an obvious large age gap between them. Between ton song in 2011. And this this lady, I mean, she had money problems and alcoholism was one of them.

So she was an alcoholic. Yeah. So that was the chan-sung Cameo there. There was also a cameo by some of the Super Junior guys and the radio station young Hawkins off. They had like an interview show. Well, yeah, with are you? Yeah. I think a lot of my memories are memories of Dream, High are of them in the classroom, learning different things.

And one of them that I remembered vividly was the pitch test of where they sing the site read, and there's two of them, like, doing it at the same time, they have to have my eyes and stuff and I was like that is super memorable memorable and I remember that whole thing that whole scene from when I had originally watched Dream High, the teacher who talked about like, cords and things. Like I thought that I was like, oh look, an actual education, a woman, what?

Yeah. Yeah, so let's get into some endgame episodes because Becky gets sexually assaulted by the company president and text saves her and then he gets cancelled and there's this whole Scandal because there's footage of him beating up this their company president. And I watch this, you know, in 2012, 2013 like way. This was shot way before the me to movement way before Weinstein. And all the tests were exposed and sent to jail and stuff, but This is sad as shit, okay?

Like I thought this was really sad, and I think the only drawback to this storylines inclusion is that it is meant to redeem Becky. Yeah, you know what, solder that? We went through me to on this out of the world, but Korea hasn't correct. And not just like women and girl groups. But boys, and boy groups are also suffering heavily from like complete mismanagement, misconduct and abuse some of its sexual from their managers. So, that's really what is not

guy. That it was ahead of its time and it's still comments heavily on the victim shaming that has. Yeah. Right. They didn't want the key to come teachers. Yeah. Those two teachers teachers are kind of irrelevant but they basically give the viewer commentary the whole time records show there like a good narration for like a pulse check on what Korean people were like back. Then a lot of it really hasn't changed yet but they were really like You know, giving everyone

the opinions. I mean, I did in this case was mushy that she said it like more specifically, because she was so attached to protecting Becky, but it was like, she has a Scarlet Letter. Now, like she won't be left alone, no one will believe her. And even it happened, they kind of play it out of the TV station of like, well. But, you know, the rumor is that she was the one who seduced him. So yeah, that's it's very real still today. So that's what ya get Super unfortunate.

And what's sad is that you can't say like oh things have changed. Yeah, I know. So it's very sad to me. I think it was used to redeem both her and Tech because like him selflessly, basically throwing himself under the bus and throwing his dad and his campaign under the bus. So yeah. Protect us girls, you know, dignity and image. Yeah, yeah that's a lot but teacher, she has As a great Arc as well because she's like the principal's daughter which was like a whole like kdrama reveal

as well. But she started out as this very cold and calculating teacher, she's cutting her losses with students deemed unworthy or a lost cause and she, and she was the one who encouraged Becky to treat to win the Showcase solo. So over the course of the show, she's kind of learned the error of her ways and now subscribes to the same school of thinking as teacher Kang. You know, you should help the kids lift them up, encourage them and not trample, on their

dreams. And their job isn't necessarily to be realistic. It's to be optimistic and to help them as much as they can. And, you know, it was nice to see her go through her own arc and be so supportive of Becky during her time of need towards during the whole sexual, harassment thing or sexual assault, Scandal that broke because she just simply told the truth and just to get Tech out. Of hot water here because he was getting lampooned fleetly. I didn't like the extreme to what she took.

It her transformation again, the whole like the flower clip at the on the top. No, no. That was too cutesy that but that is. That's a Trope. Yeah. And like just her character, the end ventilation and the AQ, you know, it was too far like the pendulum swung to like far to the other side. I am. Understand why she ended up falling for mr. Teacher, savior person, and all of that.

But she and her defense. So when she was like evil at the beginning she didn't say she was in favor of cheating because she wasn't, she was right. Okay. With lying to an extent and what she told Becky was like this girl's lying. So don't feel bad about taking her spot. She didn't say go put a thumbtack in her shoes so she's like right? We unable to do the thing. Uh-huh, when Becky, try to like turn. Turn that on her and be like, you're the reason why. Now, I don't feel anything when

I try to murder people. That's not, that's not what she said. That's not what happened, like you you were falling a murderer before. Yeah. So yeah, absolutely related Concepts over here. One thing that I wanted to touch on about Susie and Tech and Susie on which is like their love triangle is that they said Of tech as the female there.

Sorry. That's of you the male lead, you know, the person that she's going to end up with because he's just this archetypal like bad boy and they had all this history together. They met as children and he's just so cool and you just feel like they're going to end up together. She likes him for sure at some points throughout the show but Kim Soo hyun's character is set up as the second male lead and you never feel necessarily.

They're going to end up together because he's just so So pitiful, he's not on the same playing level Aztec and they don't have all of this childhood history together, and I was stunned. The first time I watched Dream High, that she ends up with Kim Soo-hyun. It's not until the photocard comes up that like we know exactly how she feels. Like, I always knew she was confused.

Hmm. But, and even loud and I were talking just before, like when we got on zum-zum to talk to you today, like I just found out like 30, Seconds ago that you know Tech was not the actual male lead like it didn't really register on the woman I'm like oh so I was like oh nice they ended up the show with like the second male lead and it's like oh no he was never the funnies lead he set up as the male bee.

I still contend to this day that they really wanted the audience to sort of roof for Tech and 101st. Maybe not root for them but think that they were going to end up together. I was just trying to have a review, right? I was telling Kathy that this was the first series where I didn't go for the second male lead, which was Soo, Young's character. Like, I always just really like taken, even though he did a lot of terrible, terrible thought. Well, you were younger because

Tech is a second. Oh, in a sense he is technically the second really because she doesn't end up with him. Yeah, she ends up the suit. Look at that then. And when the cast, I saw it, like, I realized on Google. When you look for the cast in order, it's Susie and scallion

like that is the the male lead. So now you're just being consistent with your because that NADA is considered because she did gum for the second male lead, even though he's honestly like if you look at his characterization, yeah. It would, anyone would think he was gonna end up with her? But yeah. So I was like, stunned that she

ended up with like this country. Kid, who's talking and dialect and is Going deaf and like has all of these like issues and confidence issues and things like that. Like Tech doesn't have like confidence issues at all. Like he's very much set as delicious. Yeah also have my back you should have ended up together for all that he protected her and say after honestly at this point I'm just thinking them not not that I wanted it but I'm just like, I mean homie was writing for her.

Better than their miconia for Beyonce at this point. I'm just saying like it was kind of if they kept the show, going, that would have ended up like happening at some point. I don't know. You make a good case though, do you make it? So let's talk about the time, Jump that happens. So whatever they get like through and they sort of Debut, they have a baby version of going viral because they did this flash mob thing and they were doing an online PR so that they could sell this Dream High

group. And then they have their official debut performance on TV. Finally, when some of those / P d--'s see the the Groundswell that's happened because the group dropped out which was giving BTS before, BTS by. Yes. Yes, the group a group drop-down that where we going to find another group to replace them in like Dream High crew comes through. So that was all fine and good. A little ahead of its time I guess because in 2011 I guess flash mobs weren't quite a thing.

I'm like they were a few years later, they were, they were flash mobs, I don't remember flash mobs, until a few years later being like a thing. I don't know, I feel like I saw a lot of flash mob content and college, so and yeah, saying, 2007 to 2011, she know, same things. I do think that you may be in Korea, it wasn't maybe, I don't know. So, then we have a time Jump. I used the preschool or kindergarten teacher and Becky is now a teacher at Kirin Art School.

She's taking the place of teacher, she who, and she does, like the same stunt with the Thumbtacks thing because she doesn't know originality. If I hit her in the face. Correct to make sense. I like this just tracks for her character because she's tried to plagiarize the song earlier in the show. And now she's like taking the same same approach to teaching as teachers she Tech is a famous

artist. President Ma married the Noona character and had a kid with her and Kim Soo-hyun is artist K. He's he won a Grammy or whatever. I think I have issues with just like the seat. The final scene, which is Kim soohyun and Susie's character. She's trying to convince him to go to the states and sort of become a bigger star than if he had stayed in Korea.

And she tells him a version of like the Boys Over Flowers thing which is why don't you go and like, improve on yourself and get, famous and become a great man. And then I'll consider being with you even though she clearly like loves him already and That's, that's it. Like, they have a repeat of the of the makes no sense bus scene where she's now running after the bus, they tried to have like, that full circle moment, but that it is Messy as hell

with. It was like the flash box on the forwards and it was a little hard to understand. It was, yeah, yeah. I remember being fooled. I still don't understand where Susie's character ended like, yeah. What? She like a famous. Does she go back to opera singing? I was very confused. It's unclear. I think it's ambiguous and I don't know why they would make it so ambiguous. She was sick a celebrating her 100th performance concert. Yeah or 100th concert and then she sings the dang Walk to

Remember Song again. Yeah. To honor of sue him because his character is like you know living his bus but also lonely. Yeah, it's like they didn't work out because they both focus on their careers. It's weird. It's frustrating because it shouldn't. We shouldn't be guessing at it, you know, and then I use character. Did I want to go pills look to the thing? Because she didn't want to be photographed because a now she

had gained weight again. She gained back weight and he was like, all right fine, like I guess Netflix and chill. Truly truly, truly the only character that achieved her goal was Susie's little sister. Parkland, been in this Cameo as the little sister and she kisses check on the cheek against early. She say what? She's like, yes, she knew what she wanted. Had marked her territory and I mean presumably, it's been what 87 years ago? I thought I was a six-year jump.

Yeah. From the moment like the last moment that was that time, I don't know like something around here so I guess she's now a teenager ER pakkun bin and so problematic. It's so problematic at least 10 years it's good, it's over and Lindsay Wilmer. Mandy will stray bullets in this episode and All right. So the ending was a miss and there that's it. Like, we're at the end of the show. We're done, thanks. Did you guys have anything else to add to this?

Think? Oh Lord. I'm appreciative that we that I watched a really bad drama because up until now I had been like, oh my God. Maybe I just like everything and I don't have like a distinction or are like a temperature check thing but I do know. Now I know that I don't like certain things so thank you know. I wish that I could bestow like all of these years of like a Drama watching on other people because Sometimes the drama's nowadays are two.

Good people can't like really parse out if anything was not so great and I started watching during this era of kdrama we're like Dream High was very popular and dream Heist, not a very good show, it is passable, but but is it like the best show ever? No is Camp. Rock. Like the best movie ever and there was a time where we could have like stomach to because of our age and right.

That's what I'm saying. This feels like a step up, Save the Last Dance, High School, Musical Camp Rock type of movie. I've said, type of show what this show made me conclude, was that I probably wouldn't have the best time watching kdramas from before 2015. Not to generalize. I'm sure there's great ones that I could probably go back to,

there are great ones. Yeah, it really misses an experiment right to also going back further than 2015 because so many people say they can't watch something pre 2015. I'm like you could just okay, you can do it, okay? If there's some really great dramas out there and there's some iconic, dramas like Dream High that, don't hold up. So and iconic doesn't necessarily mean good, right? Like, you know cultural reset for the time being or whatever? Yeah. Underneath. Hmm. So I think that's it.

I want to thank you guys for coming on the show for watching. Dream, I in its entirety and just going on this journey with me. I think it was very eye-opening to Return to Dream High for both me and Lauda. And it was probably I don't want to say was a time-waster for you, Kathy, but I think it was educational at the very least, especially because you guys are so immersed in Kpop like, This is part of Kpop history to. Yeah no I don't regret it.

I don't like as much as I have roasted it I'm enjoying roasting it and I again I always like to be part of the conversation like when Game of Thrones was really big like season 5. I wasn't watching Game of Thrones and I just watched like the first episode of season six just to understand what you're talking about. So I have this like general fomo of wanting to know and wanting to have context. So now I have the context to Dream High so I Don't consider it a time waste at all at awesome.

Yeah, awesome. Well, if you're listening online, you can find my girls Kathy and Lauda on all of the socials at em, a 2K podcast, and listen to their pot. If you loved Kpop or in any way, shape, or form, love kpop, listen to their show. It's amazing. They're super fun to listen to, and we got more concerts to see together. As a matter of fact, like we're still going, Owen. Yeah, not next week but the week after? Yeah. Like a couple of weeks. Yeah.

For more Kpop, or cake. R&B goodness. So, I want to thank you guys and we're just we're gonna get out of here. Got more shows to watch more music to listen to thank you for having us. Just, I really appreciate it. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. So this has been our show and I'm Jessica, and this has been the Dybbuk. He Rambles podcast three months, Soon, as he does.