Finding God, Ditching Toothpaste & Fighting For Health | Will Witt

One minute you're the face of the conservative movement. Now you're a dairy farmer who the heck is Will Witt? I was working for Prager You, everyone knows that. And then I said, well, what do I really want to do with my life? If you have bad health, you are not going to be able to fight against a tyrannical government, especially the overreaching government that we have. So it's imperative that people look at this kind of stuff and take care of it.

He was the heartthrob of the conservative movement, creating provocative men on the street videos for Prager You, known for that head of hair you can't miss anywhere, and for years work to introduce conservative ideas to young voters. But there was more to the story, as they're always going to be.

As there always is with public figures, today Will Witt joins me to discuss surviving child sexual abuse, leaving atheism, if conservative media silences their talent, and why health should be the leading concern of voters today. He believes in it so much that he's basically left politics behind to focus solely on educating people about real food and the chronic health crossroads that we're at as a country.

Will also enlightens us on everything from not brushing his teeth to his mysterious engagement and relationship weaknesses. This is a must see interview on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel, and we're also on Instagram at Culture Apothecary. This is the first show of my rebranded podcast where we'll focus on healing a sick culture twice a week with totally different guests at 6 p.m. Pacific 9 p.m. Eastern.

You can find my guest social media, sponsor discount codes, and more in the show notes. I'm Alex Clark, and please welcome best selling author of Do Not Comply and conservative superstar and health advocate Will Witt with his most vulnerable interview to date on Culture Apothecary. One minute you're the face of the conservative movement. Now you're a dairy farmer. Who the heck is Will Witt?

I mean, that's a big question with everything that's going on. I was working for Prager You, everyone knows that. Making the man on the street videos, did that for six years living in LA, then moved out to Florida to start a newspaper, which was very successful. I ended up shutting down the newspaper about six months ago, and then I said, well, what do I really want to do with my life?

And what do I think other people should be learning and trying to do that? I can then use those skills and then teach other people in the same influencing or at least educational way that I've been doing. And so I got in touch with this raw dairy farm around me in Florida, and I just called him up and was like, hey, I'd love to come and see how you do the milking process, just what you do so that maybe I can do in the future someday.

And he says, I wish guys like, sure, yeah, you can come down and see what we're doing. And so I go down there, see the process. It was incredible. And I just kept going there. And then I was like, hey, what do you think about doing like a three, four month apprenticeship with me at the farm and working there with you and learning all of the tricks and traits for you to do.

And he said, okay, I mean, free labor, you know, so I came down and I've been working at this raw dairy farm for about two months now, have about a month left. So that one day I can open up my own farm and share with everyone. I'm sure your audience knows the benefits of raw milk and regenerative agriculture is Florida, a raw milk legal state Florida is pet consumption only.

So if you want to sell raw milk, it's kind of funny because you have like half and half, it's like half and half for pets, you know, well, that's kind of the work around. But yeah, it's only pet consumption only which in a certain sense, you know, it's not a good thing that it's for pet consumption only but in a certain sense, it's like if someone were to you had a raw dairy farm and they someone drink it and got sick from it.

And then they came back and said, well, we got sick from your raw milk. It's like, did you read the label? It's for pet consumption only. So you're a fall for doing, you know, so in a way it protects a farmer in that sense. But of course, it's all bureaucratic nonsense from the FDA and these people making it outlawed. Have you broken up with politics for good?

No, I mean, I don't think I'll ever break up with politics for good. I mean, the world is inherently political. I think I've broken up with the dichotomy of Republican Democrat and talking about elections all the time in these candidates and things. Mostly for the sense that when I think about my life and all this time that I've been in it and just even growing up, I think about a politician, I say, what politician has ever done something to make my life better?

You know, I mean, you really sit down, you think about it. I mean, you could think of maybe one or two people doing very few specific things that might have helped you out, especially if you're in local politics, some specific things like that. But I'm thinking about some senators, some congressman. No, these people continually over and over again sell out the American people for their own benefit.

And to me, I see most of the politics today as TMZ, you know, it's people who want a sense of identity because the identity crisis in America is so terrible because of being atomized by social media and the culture that we have. So they're looking for some sort of groups, some sort of identity and people find that within politics. Instead of saying, I'm an individual made in the name and the image of God with all these amazing things that I can do.

It is, I feel insecure in myself. I need validation. And so I join a group to be a part of other people. Now, that doesn't mean that people aren't going to agree on certain values that are good and you can find coalitions of those people. But both parties in the American system work to take advantage. I feel like of people's insecurities of not feeling like they have anywhere to go. Would you say that you're now a part of the food freedom movement?

The FFM, you know, as we can call it. Yes, I feel like I am a part of the food freedom movement. It's about so much more than food, though, because food is only one part of it because I mean, I grew up in Colorado, right? And then went to Boulder for college and all those people around there, they're obsessed with the food, they're obsessed with the health stuff, they're granola as hell.

And I don't like these people, you know, these people are a very pompous in the way that they present things. They're not always good people, but they're so health conscious in this and that. And I lived in LA, too, for six years. You know, that's how these people are. And so when it comes to like the food freedom movement and those kind of things, I think it goes beyond that and just trying to live a life that we are intended to live.

And that goes with the food, with the health, but also with your own integrity, with your own values, with your own morals, with the way that you build and treat relationships in your life, with your connection with God and with Christ. You know, all these things kind of go in together and if it's missing one piece, then it kind of all falls apart. And so the food part is just really one part of it.

What led you down this journey of looking into our food system being completely weaponized? I mean, this entire non-toxic journey you're on, you're not using shampoo and you're talking about raw milk. Six months. Six months, no shampoo. This is, I mean, you know, this is radical. This is radical that conservatives now, you and I, are talking about this all the sudden the mainstream media says that we're enemy number one.

We had gout, if anyone's familiar with gout, it's called the disease of kings, which you know, might be fitting for me, it might work out. But essentially it's inflammation in the foot. That's what gout comes from. I'm an excessive amount of inflammation when you look at what inflammation is in the body, your body is producing a stress response to something, some sort of toxic stimuli or something.

And so when I talked to doctors about this, this was four years ago or so, they came and they said, well, you need to stop eating red meat and get off of that and then the inflammation should go down. And you know, stop drinking, stop eating red meat. And at the time, how would you describe your diet? The normal, a Los Angeles diet, you know, eating out basically every single meal. If I cook something, it was maybe Hello Fresh or something like that.

You know, it was, Hello Fresh, I'm sure it's fine, you know, but not the best that you can get. But that's basically what I was eating. I wasn't health conscious whatsoever. I didn't even know what raw milk was. I didn't know what pasteurization was or any of these kind of things. I was just doing what everyone else does, you know, eating what everyone else ate. You just trust it. What they say is good.

Everyone kind of knows in a sense that you go to pizza hut and you get a 16 piece boneless wings and you eat it all at one time and you wake up the next day and you're like, man, I feel like hell. And you know what it's from, but you continually do it anyway because it's just what you do, you know. People don't know the other alternatives, which I think is why it's so important that you're doing this and everything else and all the other people.

Because the food stuff is so much people don't even know the alternative. Like I had no idea raw milk is I knew all these things about politics and the way the world works and you know all these different things. I had no idea, you know, even how the simplest things in my body work to produce things.

So that that's kind of similar to me and so I'm curious to hear more about what led you into becoming like obsessed with food and pharma because for me during the pandemic, obviously we saw the vaccine mandate. I was like, this is super corrupt and weird, but I just I knew that I had heard that phrase before like big pharma or whatever. I never heard the phrase big food and never thought about it. My entire diet was basically standard American diet, which is almost exclusively processed food.

Never heard about seed oils didn't care. I've always been naturally thin. So I think that was a blessing. You know, some people they're more aware of healthy eating and things like that and I kind of took it for granted that I never have struggled with weight. So then I just ate whatever I wanted, which was causing a lot of problems that I ended up with an autoimmune disease and all these different things.

Once we saw, you know, with Hunter Biden's laptop, once once I saw how corrupt big tech was how it was all bought and paid for how the government controlled the media, the government was controlling pharma and vice versa. All of it then I was like, well, what else am I not thinking of? What else are we told like just trust, you know, just trust the government when it comes to education?

What we suggest for anything medical for your medicine and all this and I was like, well, what else? What else? And I was like, food and I was like, is that a thing? Is there a rabbit hole with food? This is literally my thought process. So I start googling like food rabbit holes big food. I just thought like I'd never heard it before. I was like, I wonder if that's a thing. Of course it is.

Then I start really diving into this and I'm like, oh my gosh, the food stuff is affecting all of the rest. Why are no conservatives talking about this? And then I was reading everything. I was consuming every podcast that I could. And then I was like, this is like, this should be a top talking point for conservatives because we care about freedom in all these other areas of life.

We want to be able to make our own choices and we don't want the government, you know, meddling and telling us what's best for parenting our kids and where to send them to school and all this. Why are we listening to them when it comes to what we should or shouldn't eat? And so that led me down to my journey. So what was it for you? You have the gout.

Yeah, so I had the gout and things were not going well. I felt like I was stepping on needles every time I took a step. This is back when I lived in LA. And I stopped eating the red meat and it didn't change. I still was having all these gout episodes. So I started looking into a more and actually gotten touched with a great guy, Dr. Jeff Barkey.

You guys might have heard about Ness him about it. And he was saying, no, that's not what you do. You need to eat foods that are rich essentially and all the vitamins that you actually need. You should be eating more red meat.

You should be cutting out the processed foods and eating things that you can pronounce when you look at the labels. And I said, okay, and I started doing that. And then I heard about raw milk and these kind of things and started doing that. And my gout completely disappeared.

And I haven't had, I've maybe had one or two flare ups of gout over the last three years, but pretty much it's completely all gone because I've changed my diet completely. And my body was full of inflammation all over the place. And some of the inflammation in the environment, you can't stop. I mean, you have round up being sprayed on monocropping farms all over the country, which then turns into clouds and then rains down on you, even if you're an organic farm.

Implomations are going to come in some sort of way, but reducing it as much as you can is the secret to true health. And you were not eating right, but would you say that you were pretty fit? I mean, were you active or are you somebody that enjoyed working out and stuff or you weren't doing any of that? No. But like you, I mean, I've always been, you're like me skinny fat. We're skinny.

Yeah. I mean, inside like our, we're rotting. Yeah, exactly. I used to be so fit. Like when I was in high school, I mean, most people were fit in high school, you know, unless you're like really letting yourself go. But like, I was pretty fit in high school. I was a lifeguard. I cared about, you know, the aesthetics and those kind of things. And then when I lived in LA, I didn't care so much anymore. I didn't really work out or things like that.

So now, now, not at all. Well, at our women's leadership summit this summer, I was selling this got raw milk sure and had a little dairy cow on there. And the media picked it up and it's been written about in a bunch of different outlets basically saying it's the most dangerous shirt on the internet.

Why aren't, why is why are conservatives all the sun trying to convince people to drink raw milk? They're so dangerous. They told people not to get the vaccine. Now they're talking about raw milk. I mean, do you feel like we are radical extremists who are just flirting with death? Of course. Yeah. And you say this archaeically, but I actually do feel like a radical extremist in that sense. And I think that's a good thing.

Because if the world is normal and normal, and this is the way the world works, I don't want to be normal. I want to be the radical extremists and not just for the sake of being an extremist and can label myself that. But and the sense of if the world is rotten and it's full of sin and people who are doing horrible evil things, I don't want anything to do with that. So yes, I am a radical extremist and I'm completely fine with that.

Are you familiar with the regenerative farmer Joel Salatin? Oh, he's great. Also, we were making chicken cubes at the farm. We done two chicken cubes by scratch. And I was using his poly face designs to design the chicken cubes that we made. Oh, yeah. Well, I had him on the podcast and that's so cool. One thing that was interesting is him and I differed because he's a libertarian and I'm a conservative. So we kind of got into this discussion.

He agrees that big food is evil and that there are a lot of ingredients that are allowed that are terrible, but his position is it's up to the individual to know about it and then say I'm not going to eat it, but that it should all be legal because you know he wants every drug legalized. We should be able to do what we want if we all want to commit suicide, then we all commit suicide. Like he does not want any law period, no government, right because he's a libertarian.

So I said, well, my position is I do like a small amount of government when we know something is is hurting or killing innocent Americans.

And I think a lot of the ingredients that America allows compared to other countries that they're doing that. That's one of those small instances where I would like the government to step into a certain extent and be like, hey, we're banning food dies. What is your opinion on that? Do you feel like you agree more the Joel Salatin or conservatives and like you'd like to see a little regulation on big food?

Yeah, no, I would love a dictatorship if they agreed with everything that I agree with. That's like the new conservative position. But obviously, I think libertarianism comes from a place of no offense to libertarians out there, but no moral standing because it implies that people essentially can make all their own decisions and they know what's best for them.

But when you look at voting and you look at all these different things that happen in America, obviously people don't know what's best for them. And a lot of times people need to be told what is best for them. As unfortunate as that sounds, everyone wants to think that they're so autonomous and I'm so esoteric and all these other people don't know what's going on.

But in reality, people don't know what's best for them. And so if you have a system in place, which I only think the way, I think the only way democracy works and a constitutional republic that is having a form of government works, if you have morals and rights and laws governed by an objective law, which is God's law, in my view. And so I am conservative in that sense because I think that those types of things do need to be regulated. Those types of things do need to be laws on the books.

I mean, libertarian believes that, I'm sure libertarians won't all say that this is a case, but if you believe in a not government, then you have a five-year-old going and marrying a 25-year-old, where is the immoral sense in that to one of these types of people say that the government shouldn't be getting involved in that kind of stuff.

Whereas the line that the libertarian draws when it comes to these types of laws, I'm sure most of them will say, of course, that's wrong, that's horrible. But where do you draw the line? If there's no moral basis for where you are drawing the line, it's just a matter of your opinion. Well, and him and I didn't get into an abortion discussion apart from him saying, I am very anti-abortion, I am pro-life.

But that's again, it comes down to the moral argument. If you have no moral basis, no objective basis behind the truth of what you're actually trying to legislate, then you're not going to be able to make a system that works for the majority of people, because then it's only catering to people's opinions. And you can't legislate based on opinions. You have to legislate based on facts and things that are actually objectively grounded.

Well, and I told him, too, I said, okay, but Joel, you're talking about people, we need to let people make their own decision and trust that they'll make the best one and all this. And I said, I understand what you're saying that we need to put the responsibility on the individual. But the problem is that when the food companies are buying the studies that are telling you things are health, it's so corrupt.

It would take someone like URI that's obsessed with this to dig through all this information and discover this. The average American has no idea how corrupt food and pharma is, how all the studies are bought and paid for, that that's legal, that your pill company can put out a study saying that the pill is safe. All of that is so evil. And I was like, so people really can't make their own decisions because the entire system is rigged.

And isn't it always so funny? I'm sure you've dealt with this too, where you go and talk to someone about these new health things or things about big pharma or the way that people should live in this way. And they tell you that you haven't done the research. They come back to you and say, what are you talking about? We're on milk. You obviously haven't researched all this stuff about pasteurization or big pharma pills or something like that. I haven't researched about it.

And it's like the things that they are saying is their argument is what everybody knows. The things that everybody knows is just the mainstream opinion. And then they come and tell me you haven't done the research. And then they come back to you and say, well, you're living in your research all this time. And so I will say this to people who are watching and want to get into this space and these kind of things.

It is lonelier than the inverse. I'm sure you can familiarize with that a little bit in the sense of it's very difficult. And that's not just for food stuff, but just the way you live your life. It becomes a lonely road because other people don't want to turn those blinders off. And it's really heartbreaking to know what we know and then see people that you love and care about. Ignore it or tell you like, I don't care about that.

Like your ridiculous Alex, you only live once and all of this kind of stuff and just still participate in it. Still eat that stuff. That's the hardest part for me is also like you can't, you know, be telling like your grandparents, your parents, you know, people like that in your life. You can't just be like, don't eat that. You can be telling them what to do. Like you can share the information. But at the end of the day, yeah, they do get to make their own decision.

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Yeah, exactly. Well, so what I'm actually doing, so I'm working in a dairy farm, but then I'm actually going back to school. I know Will with the poster child of dropping out of school. You're going back to school. So I'm not no way I'm going to any physical classes, but I'm doing online school and I'm studying clinical psychology to become a licensed counselor for people. Really? Yeah. You work just, I mean, within like two years, you've just like done a 180.

Quite the enigma. I'm sure for a lot of people. But I like that because you're always learning. Yeah. I suffocate if I'm not learning. What I don't want the new generation of kids to know is that you can, it doesn't have to be though a literal physical school throughout your life. You can always learn all of these new things. Yeah. I feel like I've learned so many things. Me too. Like already going into this program for clinical psychology.

I've done a ton of research on the brain and the way that people function and work and, you know, also how diet impacts the way that we make decisions in our life, which is a very important thing. I'm a neurologist and things we're talking about. But if anyone has read my book, they'll understand I went through some very traumatic things when I was a child. Sexual abuse, that kind of stuff from a male member of my family. These kind of things. I don't know where again.

So deep today on this podcast. Here we go. It tends to happen with me. You know, these things have really affected my life in a lot of ways that for a long time was very negative in the way that I was living and that.

And so what I have now realized through the power of God is that God is the one who heals and it's finding the solace in him that I feel able to continue to go on and do the things that I do, which is also part of the reason why I've gotten out of some of the politics stuff in the sense of, I'm kind of all over the place, but in the sense of it's not so much about me. It's not about me making a video for conservative politics and trying to get likes and views and money, whatever it is.

It's about me trying to educate people and do something better for other people, which I think is what it's really all about. And so saying that I went through these things and am now trying to open up my farm. That is a farm, Rodderry, or a generative agriculture, but also have it be, I guess you could say a ranch retreat for young men who have dealt with intense trauma in their lives. Wow. So a fellowship ministry, that kind of stuff for a lot of young men.

And they'll come and work on the farm and learn all about, you know, because the main thing when it comes to this type of trauma is a young man. The biggest thing that they lose is confidence. That's the number one thing that they're missing and there's a lot of things in the brain. Like your amygdala is all messed up from PTSD and stuff like that. And so they lack confidence in themselves.

So you bring them into a place like a farm and they're able to work and learn skills and these kind of things and connect with other people their age. And they build that confidence in themselves that they need to then go on with life for the rest of what they're doing. So that's the plan. I mean, this is, you know, years down the line. You know, it might all change, you know, but that's the idea.

When you were enduring the sexual abuse as a child at the time did other people in your family know, did you speak up right away? Or was that something that you were kind of dealing with internally for a while before people knew? Because now obviously it's written about in your book, but before that how long did it take for other people to know? So it happened when I was a child and then I actually didn't even remember it until I was 12 years old. It had been completely shut out of my mind.

Did something trigger it for you? Yeah, I had gotten sent to detention for horse play in middle school, you know, goofing around with a friend or something. I got sent to detention. And for some reason I just started getting all these like horrible vivid images in my mind. And it just all came back to me in this moment. And I was like, oh my goodness, like this is what happened. And I had complete mental break, suicidal thoughts, all that kind of stuff then at that time.

So yeah, that was really tough getting through that. No one really understood in my family, but it's been a long way coming. If somebody's listening and they want to disclose past abuse to their parent or they are a parent and their child has disclosed that to them, what do you think is the best way for a parent to respond?

One thing that someone, at least in my case, and from a lot of the other studies and things that I've looked at, this more probably applies more to young men, but I think it applies to young women just as much in the sense that they are looking for a sense of validation because in the abuse they did not get that. They could not trust someone.

And so then afterwards they're looking for someone to essentially fill that void of feeling accepted and loved for who they actually are when in that moment they were not. And so what that parent needs to do is accept that child or accept that, however old they are when they're coming and talking to their parents about it. But the person needs to feel like the person that they are is okay.

Yeah. That it's, you know, this all sounds like very like Christian women podcast stuff, but you know, they need to feel like they are actually okay and that they are enough. Which again, sounds so like, you know, live left love type of stuff, but in reality it's so. And that it's not their fault. Yeah, exactly.

You know, that it is okay for the person that they are and that they don't need to feel guilty and ashamed and they don't need to go search out in other places for validation from other people. They can find it in the parent there because the parent cares about them and is accepting them for no matter what.

Do you think enduring what you went through is what led you on a path towards atheism because you couldn't conceptualize how there could be a good loving God that would allow something like that to happen to you as a child. Yes, it led me to atheism for sure because the Christian women still died in childbirth.

The Muslims still died crossing the road, you know, all these different things and then how could how could a benevolent God let these things happen to me that tore my life apart in my in my youth. And it wasn't until I became a believer. It was wow, everything that happened to me as horrible as it was at the time is exactly how everything should have happened.

It has made me into the person that I am if I could change my life and start from scratch again I wouldn't I couldn't do that how do you go from hating God not believing God exists to loving him and knowing he does. It's a very tough question and it's it's hard to always conceptualize when it a lot comes from personal experience, you know, but I know that for me when I was actually trying to understand Christ and trying to understand the Bible actually just order the Bible online.

This was during COVID the beginning of COVID and I said all right, all these conservative people are always talking about this thing the Bible did your followers and audience were they always like, well, you need to become a Christian. Yeah, all the time I didn't find it so annoying. I was just like, how do you guys believe in that is so dumb like just think about it for a second.

There's no God's no snake tempting ancestors six thousand years ago, you know, all this kind of stuff and like it's so dumb. I mean, then I read the Bible and I it's hard to explain like I'm saying, but it was transformative in the sense that I read the four gospels and when you read it, you essentially have to make a choice.

You can either ignore it. You can say that it's lies or you can believe that it's true and for God knows why it was so moving to me that I had no other choice but to give my life to Christ. And that's what I did and so about two months after that or three months after that, I got baptized in our most of each California with Jack Hibbs. Greatest decision in my life. And so now living Florida, have you found home church there yet?

Yeah, so the reason I moved out the Tampa out of any places in Florida was because of my pastor out there. So his name is Jake. He does creakside church out there in Tampa. If any of you guys are looking for a church out there, he's absolute best. He's like my, he's basically my dad. This guy is like my father.

He's so he's discipling you. Yeah, he's the best guy. So do you guys do? I know some people like meet with a pastor, elder, their church, they're doing like, you know, coffee every Wednesday morning or things like that to like talk and and read scripture together or pick each other's brains or hold each other accountable.

Do you do anything like that with him? Nothing structured. Okay. I cook for him. I love. I mean, I'm big cook. And so I cook for him and we'll do movie nights and stuff like that. Did you feel like there were people that you had kind of evangelized atheism to that once you became a Christian, you needed to reach back out and be like, I told you the wrong things.

I would say the most is within with my sister and my mother of trying to talk to them now about all of the faith and my sister is actually become a Christian now. My mom is scared, but you know, working on it. And I'm trying to help her out within everything. Is your sister married with kids? She's not married yet. She has a boyfriend who she's had for a long time and it's looking like it's going to be that close.

So that's really good. Yeah. You were at Prager you for how long? Roughly six years. That is long. So I've been with turning point for five years this summer. Well, when I was starting out, I remember talking to you like when I first moved out to LA, you know, talking to just about shows you're doing all the things going on. So how did you even end up there in the first place? Your college student, you end up working at Prager, you talk about that.

Well, I was in college and I said, all this is super stupid and I hate it. So, you know, I was sitting in a class. There was a black girl next to me. This sociology class in my teacher assistant at the time pointed at me and said, you are pressing this girl next to you because of the color of your skin.

And that was so strange to me that I was pressing someone just because I was white, especially I went to a school that was. I was the the sore thumb. I was the white guy and there was lots of black people in Mexican people all around. And I didn't feel like I had any white privilege when I was going there. I can tell you that. And so it was very strange to me. And so I started looking into a lot of different things. At that time, this was 2016.

So this was when my Louis andapolis Gavin McKinnis, the early Ben Shapiro videos, that kind of stuff. Lauren Southern on the street kind of things. And I started watching all these things and reading a lot more and getting into it. And I said, man, this the world is so much different than people ever told me that it was.

You know, it's way, way different. And so then I found out about turning point and then Prager you I worked for turning point for about four months as a field rep for what in Mexico. Call a rat on Wyoming. So I was a field rep for them going across the three states and setting up chapters at the different schools while I was still in school. And then I dropped out of school. Got in touch with Prager you and they offered me a job long story short and I moved out to LA.

I dropped out. Did you know that you were going to have this on camera like conservative influencer man on the street job or they were just like we're hiring you didn't even know what it was. I knew a little bit. So I started I made a video on my campus interviewing girls what they thought about the wage gap. And I shot the video myself edit the video myself and send it to Prager you and they loved it.

I always knew that I mean I wasn't going to be in the back. So I was going to be someone who's up and front talking to people and doing things like that which is very strange because I was a very shy young man growing up my entire life. I was very shy. It wasn't until later on that I said, OK, I really want to talk to people and go out there and influence you know. Did you feel like there were growth opportunities for you at Prager.

Oh, definitely. I mean, I think the growth opportunities it was a startup when I started to Prager you people might be hard pressed to call to start up now. It's got 150 employees. It's huge. You know, all this stuff when I started there was like 12 people there. You know, I was the youngest person working there. And if I wanted something from that company. I had to work for it. I had to work really hard. There was nothing that was promised to me. There is no.

Things are a lot different back then seven years ago for becoming a conservative influencer conservative personality than it is today. It was like me and Fleckas going and doing man on the street with with no sort of guidance just throwing things at the wall and seeing if they stuck. If you wanted to make one of these rant videos, you know, that was like a totally new thing on your phone. Well, Tommy was really the plane.

Like all that stuff was totally different. And now it's just commonplace. You know, now it's just completely saturated and is so much as worthless. But back then it was super cool. You know, the stuff with Trump in 2016 the energy was just insane. It was electrifying. Sure, everyone can feel that it's different now than it was then.

Yeah, I remember meeting you my very first water be less in 2018. I didn't even really know what turning point was. But I saw the lineup of speakers. I was openly conservative. I was working in radio.

I was co-hosting my own morning show in Indianapolis. And I just thought like, man, this is cool. Like I don't know what's all here. I've never been to this event. But I'm just going to go by myself. I mean, I was like the normal attendee where they put you with roommates and all that like other kids. I remember getting a picture with you and listening to just you need talking about how like you need to find your niche and like find a way to talk about your beliefs and all that.

And at the time feeling so stifled in radio being openly conservative working for such a liberal mainstream media company. And there were so many things that were going wrong. Like I mean, I was constantly in trouble for saying stuff. I was thinking about like, what where do my natural skills lie? What am I good at? What do I love about my current job? How could I mesh that with the conservative movement and create something new that is needed?

There were so many female commentators that I really looked up to. And I love listening to them and I learned stuff from them. But none of them I felt like, oh, I could be her girlfriend. We could go to brunch. Like nobody felt that personable to me. And then also known was talking about pop culture. The only time conservatives talked about pop culture, it was like roasting it. Like why do you even watch this? Why do you even support Hollywood? Why do you like Taylor Swift?

And I was like, well, I like watching the bachelor. I like Taylor Swift. I'm keeping up with the Kardashians. But I call them out when they do something I don't like or say something ridiculous. I say it. I was like, why does nobody represent me in this movement? And so that's when I kind of brought this idea to turning point for politics, which was my pop culture show at first.

And so yeah, at the time it was, there was such few people doing this. And now I'm scrolling through Instagram. And it's like, who in the world is this? You know, popping off on something. Everybody's commentating. Everybody's a conservative influencer. Do you feel like you said a lot of it is useless? I mean, why do you feel that way? I know how, why I feel that way, but why do you?

Oh, preface it by saying this. There's definitely some good people out there. Yeah, we're trying to make a difference. But there are so many people out there. And I feel somewhat guilty that I, for some of my career, I feel I've been a part of this too. That you are not making it for other people. You are not posting the video of some trans kid at a school, you know, or some crazy teacher and some school board meeting, whatever.

You're not posting those things for awareness to show other people you're doing it because you know that you're going to get something out of a video going viral on your account. Yeah, it's like people want that attention. And they understand that this is a means to an end of getting attention from people.

You know, so that's why there's so many conservative videos. There's all these different things popping off all the time. These fake interviews going on on the street, all sorts of these kind of things because people just want the notoriety of doing it. And again, like we talked about the beginning, people want to feel like they're a part of a group. That's just natural human behavior. Unfortunately, people don't want to be the black sheep going out and doing something different and radical.

They want to feel like they're a part of a group. And so people are going to continually find ways to be in this conservative movement, post the same videos that every other conservative account is posted trying to post it first with the best caption and these kind of things. And that's like the world that we live in. You know, and that's really unfortunate. And it drives me out and wears me out and says, what am I been doing?

Is that what you were struggling with after six years at Prager U of like, am I still culture changing the way that I was in 2018, 2019? Did you feel stifled like am I contributing enough to the movement by sticking with this? Yeah, I think because knew that I would say about a year before, it was roughly a year before I left Prager U. I'd been saved.

And you know, that changed priorities in my life and things like that. And then I was looking to Prager U and I was like, man, I can't I can't make any more man on the street video. I was like, I can't go out and interview these college kids anymore. Look, I'm getting old. I'm getting fat. You know, I can't even blend in with these kids anymore. So, but I really just feel like that. Yeah, not that fat. Well, you were all you were always fat. You don't look old. I think you.

Yeah, but it was just like I can't do these same things anymore. There has to be more to life than what I'm doing now. I felt the same way with all the pop culture stuff. And I felt the same way aging as a content creator in this space of like, I mean, I'm 31. I'm like, I can't be 40 doing pop culture and trying to feel to 22 year olds. I mean, I need to grow with my audience.

What stage is my audience in? And that's why it's like, I'm not married with kids yet, but I know that most of my audience is there. And so what kind of content am I putting out that's going to be enriching their life that's going to be prompting behavior change and lifestyle changes that are so good for the country as a whole. I mean, that's conservatism and in conserving these traditional values and how we eat and how we parent and raise our kids.

And I just think that's so much more important. But I think I also felt burnout. What is the purpose long term with this? I don't want to do this forever. And that's why I've kind of shifted into being like, I want to be in health and wellness space. This is what matters to me. Well, it's also just like it's the same thing every day. Yes.

It's always the same video. And you know, of course, these things are bad. Like some some teacher saying, oh, I got a changing room for some tranny kid, you know, in my classroom. That's obviously a horrible thing. But it's the same thing every single day. You know, people will talk about like all get people talking now. They'll say, well, you're not doing the politics stuff anymore. Well, you've given up. You've given up on the politics stuff. It's like, no, I haven't given up.

It's not about you're missing the point. If you're relying on the politics and these kinds of things and your favorite conservative influencers to come and save you or rescue you from your life. It's not going to happen. The politicians and the people on your social media are not going to save you. You have to do that yourself, you know, obviously with the power of God. But you really, you got to come down to it and say, what are the things in my life that are messed up?

What are the things that I'm doing in my relationships in in the way that I treat my body and the way that I treat other people and all these different things that are screwed up? How can I actually fix these things? We're so quick to blame others for the things that we don't have the guts to go and fix ourselves.

And so it's like, yeah, I'm complaining about the same things every single day. I don't want to just sit here and complain anymore. And then people say, I give up. It's like, no, my messages of my philosophy now is personal responsibility to all the people out there. They need to take responsibility for their lives. I was doing thinking this. I'll take a if I set up a website. I go give a speech to a thousand people.

And I set up a website and say this exact same message. And I say, okay, all of you guys come here. And in a week, tell me what you are doing to change your life. You have one week and tell me the things that the next steps you're taking after hearing me speak what you're doing to change your life. Yeah, there might be one person who goes on there and does something like that, you know. That's why I'm so focused on culture. Pop culture is like, I'll exolub your videos. I became conservative.

You know, I heard that sometimes and that was really awesome. But since talking about this, it's like, oh, we've downsized our home so I could stay home with my kids. We took our kids at a public school. We're homeschooling. We're we took our kids out of daycare because I learned through your show, you know, the dangers of how daycare affects attachment. We switched completely to all organic. I know who my farmer is Alex. I never even I never would have known who my farm my local farmer is.

This kind of stuff. I'm like, that is how we're changing. I mean, that to me, that is like, okay, real culture changing because these are the people now that are in charge of raising the next generation. What are they going to be like when they weren't raising government schools? They weren't eating the government food. They'll be crazy people. I love them in the best way. In the best way.

I had an ex and one of the biggest fights at the end of our relationship in my late 20s was I really I was like, it is so important. If we get married, I have to homeschool. We have to homeschool. Like my kids will not go to public school. And he was like, I do not want to homeschool Alex. I want my kids to be normal. And I said, that's where you and I differ. I do I would rather die than have normal kids. Exactly. Because what is normal? What is the standard of normal today?

And he did not understand that. And I was like, the fact that you don't get that I was like, we're not compatible for marriage. People are so worried about not being normal. It's like people's biggest fear is separation from others. Being ostracized, being the black sheep, being not a part of the group. It's like a primal fear of almost like instinctual of like, you're the lone caveman away from the other caveman. And you're all by yourself and going to get eaten by a saber to tiger.

You know what I mean? Like that's the way that it really comes down to us. Like an instinctual thing for us humans that if we are separated from the group, we're going to be we're going to feel terrible about ourselves. So a lot of times people put self preservation of their identity within a group above really anything else. You create a content with Prager for six years. I've been creating content with Turning Point for five years.

A lot of people have seen all the canoso and Stephen Crowder stuff daily wire. And I think a lot of people that consume content on the conservative right as viewers. They're like, are you guys prisoners? You know, what is it like if you're not independent, you're creating content under a company? I mean, what was your take seeing all the Candace daily wire drama and that whole falling out?

Well, say at least at my time at Prager you, I felt pretty good. I mean, the guy who I worked with Craig who was a chief marketing officer, he was the absolute best. I loved working with him. He would always tell me to go and do crazy stuff and whatever I wanted to do, I could go and do it. So I really don't have too many complaints there. I know at other companies, it's definitely not the same.

But I know that my time at Prager you, I had pretty much, I had a lot of freedom if I was working hard to do what I wanted to do. In terms of the Candace own stuff and Stephen Crowder things and I mean, I personally don't care. I'm just like, I look at these people and I'm like, those things get so much attention. And people care about that way more than they do about any of the other stuff that we've talked about on the entire podcast, which is crazy to me.

You know, it's like so crazy. That's what people are so worried about talking about it. I mean, I guess if there's the real opinion, I think that a lot of these organizations do have a lot of control over their influencers and the people who are their personalities. I think that a lot of them get into it when they're young or stupid and sign some contract that they don't really understand.

And then they'll be holding to someone else. And so that's why myself, that's why I'm independent now completely because I can't be beholden to someone else. I'm not doing Instagram brand deals and selling stuff or some influencer marketing thing. I'm not doing any of this stuff because it's just me. You know, I don't want anyone else having that kind of say I'm no one's. Do you think that the daily wire is corrupt and anti free speech?

I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure that just like any sort of company, you get super big and what happens when you get big as a company bureaucracy. You get a nature department. You get a bunch of people who complain and play each all day about all these different things that you're doing. And so that's natural for what I think really any company, you know, you want to have some conservative company be the arbiter of truth.

My advice would be, well, don't hire a bunch of people and try to be the biggest company because as soon as you do, you got to follow all of the rules that a normal company in America follows. And with that comes silencing with that comes corporate corporate sponsors with that comes advertisements with that comes differing opinions and budding heads and having a nature person involved to

figure these things out. So I think that as soon as a company reaches a certain threshold, that's going to happen to anyone, whether it's daily wire, whether it's turning point, Prager you any conservative company, you can have Nick Fuente says anti Jewish, you know, anti Zionist company start out small and then get big and then that's riddled with bureaucracy. I'm sure if it were to get to the same place.

Would it be in the best interest of turning point of Prager of daily wire to be having him on and doing that? Or you're like, if I was the owner, I would stay away. Yeah, well, I think there's always a very good idea to have people like that, to have someone like Nick or any of his acolytes or something like that to come in debate with people who don't agree with them. I went on a thing and did a thing with Nick. This must have been like four years ago. Oh, really? How did that go?

It went pretty well. I'm here's a nice guy. I've known him. He's good enough, dude. But my problem with that sort of philosophy is not necessarily the philosophy itself. It's again, it's you're looking at these people. You're saying, oh, the Jews, the Jews are ruining my life. The Jews are making it so that I can't get a girlfriend.

You know, like all these different things instead of like looking at the world around you and understanding that the currency and the culture works by you being complicit with it. If you are, the Jews could be running the entire world and that could be totally the case, right? But if you are coming and saying, well, because of that, I can't go and own a farm or do the things that I like or get married and have kids or make enough money to support myself.

That's not on the Jews. That's on you. Now, I'm not saying Nick is saying this per se, but I'm saying, you know, for any of these types of people, and that's the same with the Republican Party or the Democrats or any of these types of people who are coming and saying, well, you know, the country sucks because of the inflation that's going on because of this president. Oh, so that stops you from living the rest of your life. You can't go and connect with your wife because Joe Biden's in office.

Like these kinds of things. It sounds so ludicrous, but again, it is people trying to find some sort of scapegoat for so many of the problems that come into their lives based on a lack of poor decision making. The grouper movement is kind of adjacent to Red Pill movement. And you've got a lot of this, this Red Pill discourse on Twitter talking about how there's no such thing as good women anymore, marriage as a waste of time. It's not worth the risk. What do you think about that?

Well, of course, that's not true. There are plenty of good women, but there's less good women and there's less good men in the exact same way that that men don't want to take responsibility. Women also don't want to take responsibility for a lot of their actions. And they want to be these type of girlboss type of things who are very defiant, who are very proud, who are very arrogant.

And then the men become essentially completely fed up with that and say, well, there's no good women out there. I know there are good women out there. You know, something that's very important in scripture is the Bible says the wife essentially will be submissive and obedient to her husband. A lot of women don't like that.

A woman hears that today in the state of the Christian women and they say, well, I'm not doing that. But they miss out the next line. The next line is, and their husbands will love them like Jesus loves the church. What did Jesus do for the church? He died for the church. So your husband is essentially putting his life on the line for you because he loves you so much as long as you were able to take care of some of these other things and listen to his good judgment.

That doesn't mean that it's not a 50-50 and this thing's going on there. But if a man is not willing, and I struggle with this horribly, my biggest struggle is dying to myself for someone else. I think it's everybody's. And that's so hard because you have all the things that you like and the things that you feel I'm proud about and whatever it is and you say, well, I can't give that up for someone else, you know, even though you should because the right thing to do.

And so you have all these men who are saying there's no good women out there. Have these men died to themselves? I would highly doubt it. If they're not willing to go and love the woman, like Jesus loved the church, they say they're these Christian people, then they can't be expecting that. And of course the woman has to do the same. If the woman's not doing the same, then you can say to her, listen, you're not doing it. I've tried to do it, but you're not doing it. Goodbye.

But we can't just be going and blaming the other sex for all the problems that we're having in our lives. And it's just nonsense. Again, it's another scapegoat. People, you will be so hard pressed to go on Twitter in the conservative space and the liberal space, health food space, gripper space, and find anyone who's taking personal responsibility for any of their actions.

It just doesn't happen because it's not what people want to hear. The only thing that gets clicks is the blaming of other people for all the woes of the world. Speaking of marriage, the last we knew you posted, you were engaged, big announcement, and then it just kind of went away. Nobody saw anything else about it. Making food changes for yourself and your family can be overwhelming. I get it. One thing that is easy to switch for a 50 times more nutrient dense experience is your seasoning.

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No, I'm not. No, it was a very personal thing. A lot of internal things there. She was a fantastic woman. Unfortunately, it just didn't work out. I truly wish her the best with everything she's doing. Did the break-up surprise you? In a way. Yeah, I think so. I mean, you never really know what's going to happen unless it's something that's happening for a long time.

Our relationship wasn't the longest in the entire world. So it's hard to look back years before and say, well, there were these signs and things like that. So I would say it was surprising for the most part. Mary, just on the table for you, you're not completely jaded. I mean, as long as I'm not, you know, a cell bit on my dairy farm in the middle of Alaska, yeah, we should be doing okay. Yeah. So I mean, always looking.

I had a really nice girlfriend just a little while ago, actually. It's hard to say how things are going there, but she's again a really wonderful woman. Just a dying to yourself is hard. I can say that. So what? What does that mean? You're saying I had a had a girlfriend for a little bit post engagement is what you're talking about. And so does that mean that also ended or you're seeing this person?

And also ended okay, so who ended it? You were her. It was a mutual thing. Do you feel like commitment is hard for you? I think it definitely has been in the past. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Why do you think that is for you? I think a lot of it comes down to the like we were talking about for the dying to yourself. You know, as I was saying, take personal responsibility. I'm, you know, you're taking a lot of the personal responsibility. I find it very hard to die to myself.

So for a man who struggles with that too, because I think that's super relatable. What steps are you taking to kind of work through that? I think it's very easy to rush ahead in a relationship and and go full steam ahead without putting prayer and Christ at the front of what you're doing.

I think that's what I've done historically and I've seen that it hasn't always been the most successful for me and not putting that first and saying, okay, these are my feelings right now in the moment. These are my emotions right now about how I'm feeling.

And because of that, I didn't put what was actually the most important first. And I think if you're not actually prioritizing these things, it's kind of like the modern like I'm talking about being a clinical counselor and these kind of things and talking to young people and all that.

And it's like so much of modern therapy is just like me, me, me, it's all about me, how I feel, how I feel this, this, that without thinking about the greater plan and how to actually heal and men relationships. And that's how I feel a lot of. I've been in a lot of relationships as well that it's about me, me, me and not always dying to myself to exhibit the things for the other person that I should be doing.

You think about the ideas of romance and you look back 60 years ago, a lot of those taboos are not taboos, but cultural norms that we have today of like this ever lasting every day is a wake up in romance are new things that a lot of them are made up by marketing companies, you know, madmen type of guys in the 1960s and 70s. And that's not a poo poo on love. Of course, people love each other for a very long time.

But a lot of these types of things about how romance should be and how you see it in the movies and you see it on these things, it's just not true and it's very difficult and it's very hard. And I think a lot of people men and women both expect people to just fall in love and that's just the way that it is and you find that perfect person for you and it's just, boom, that's just going to work out, you know what I mean?

It's not really the way that it works unfortunately. And so my idea of romance has changed and that it's not this like every day you're going to wake up wanting to make French toast and bed for the person that you're with, you know what I mean? Some mornings you may not even like them. Exactly. But if you love them, that's still okay.

And it sounds like you understand that I would agree with that, but yet you're still like, but I struggle with like fully dying to myself and committing to that person and then you're essentially talking about love is a choice. It's not a feeling because you have to wake up even when you don't like them and be like, I'm going to be committed to you. We're going to have a family together. All of that kind of stress. So I feel like it sounds like you get it. So what holds you back?

I'm pretty ambitious, I would say, with the man that I've become and things like that. Right now I'm working on my next book. I'm also going to school. I'm working at a dairy farm. I'm speaking, I'm making videos still. Yeah, taking care of the home, all these different kind of things that I'm trying to do. And I've always been like that, you know, ever since getting into this stuff, I've worked, worked, worked really, really hard to get to the place that I am.

And that type of ambition and what I actually want from life, I find it can be quite difficult. And I find that very hard to drop and say, okay, maybe I could not go to school and maybe I could not write this next book. And I could just have it for me and have a small little homestead with someone I love and work a simple job and something like that. Why do you feel like you couldn't do those things even if you were married?

I think I've watched the Lord of the Rings too many times. And I look at Erragorn and Frodo and I say, that's what my life is. And maybe this is narcissistic. I don't know. I probably sound arrogant right now. But when I look at my life and I look at the way that the people live in the world today with social media and stupid, you know, I everyone has air conditioning except for maybe us right now.

Everyone has air conditioning. These comfortable, easy lives with no sense of real struggle. And then I look at something like Lord of the Rings and I cry when I watch the final battle because it's just so beautiful. If someone dying for the sake of true moral goodness, laying down his life for someone else and then I think about my life of like some simple thing where the only thing I care about really is my own happiness.

Screw that. I can't do that. I just can't. I feel guilty. I'll have one day. Maybe I'm kind of bipolar or autistic. I don't know. But I wake up one day and I'm like, man, I just want to just have this one like simple life and do this. And the other day, I'm like, well, I would be the best dictator there ever was, you know, not really. But you know what I mean?

It's like I want to go on some grand adventure, some quest to to live up to these things that I feel like are out there. And maybe I'm I'm putting too much weight on myself and all of that. Maybe you're underestimating the thrill and sense of accomplishment that you would feel being a husband and father also. And you're putting more weight in that I would find that fulfillment in my more professional accomplishments versus that.

I think so. But I suppose maybe I misspoke. I don't mean it in professional accomplishments. I think maybe I have somewhat masked some professional accomplishments for a sense of self inflated worth, which I think is wrong, which is part of why completely independent, you know, that kind of stuff. But it's more about just having a life mission, a purpose that is beyond just raising a family and these kinds of things. It is, it's like why all those young men were thinking of ancient Rome.

Whenever everyone was like ask your how often he thinks about the Roman Empire. Yeah, think about the world we live in the world we live in sucks and it's it's totally catered not towards men at all, you know. And so men need something more from their lives. And I feel like in the modern world we're not getting that. And so I'm constantly searching for that. It's difficult. It's very difficult, I can say.

You mentioned that you're working on your next book. Is it going to be more health and wellness focus? So I was writing that book. I was writing a health and wellness book. And I think I was going to call it. That was what I was going to love it. Yeah. So why did that name get vetoed? I love it. It wasn't a name that got vetoed. I think I'm just not writing the book right now. Okay. So I've moved on to actually it's a fantasy novel.

Well, I wasn't expecting you to say that. Yeah. So not one of these like new smuddy novels or anything like that. This is like real high fantasy J.R. Tolkien is my inspiration for for writing this. But again, I wanted to write something that wouldn't just last for a 90 second Instagram reel. Now it would be the shelf life of it. I wanted to be something that can last for a very long time like the Lord of the Rings like.

Beowulf like something like this that institutes morals with people and teaches them how to live no matter if it's 1000 years down the line. So you can see kind of the barambit or that I'm putting on myself with some of the things that I do.

That's a lot of pressure. Yeah. But that's awesome. I think it's right. Talk about like your average grocery run. First of all, maybe you don't even go to the grocery store anymore. I don't know. So tell us like your average. I'm going to the grocery store. What are you picking up and be as specific as brands. We love brands here.

I don't go to the grocery store for my meat. All my meat is from a local farm. So it's called all of her heritage farms. If anyone's out in the Tampa, Florida area, they're fantastic. Ground venison ground, L ground, bison, I eat a ton of ground beef. That's the primary thing that I eat most of the time. I make my favorite thing in the world that I make now are these burgers.

And you take all these different meats and you put them together and then you smash them. Then it's an Oklahoma burger. So then you put the onions on top. You cut up the onions real thin. And then you flip them and then the onions cook into the meat. And then you put them on the sourdough buns and everything like that was some raw cheddar cheese. And that's my favorite recipe in the world.

Have you made sourdough yet? I haven't made sourdough. And my farm, the wife of the farmer has made some sourdough. And she always, she's Ukrainian. And she always has me try all her different recipes and things like that. And then I get my milk from a farm that I'm adding butter and cheese and all that kind of stuff. I get all my fruit at the grocery store, you know, all organic fruit. And if you're getting meat, it's far more important to get grass fed than organic meat.

Why? Because what the cow eats is much more important than whether it ate organic grain. If it's eating a bunch of organic grain, it's still going to have probably mastitis, which is the number one thing that cows who we grain deal with. Especially they're probably, I milk the cows. I see cows that have had mastitis and it's just not the same. So that's like a number one thing to look for.

But cows that are fed 100% naturally, their natural diet are going to be the healthiest with the best meat for you. So get grass fed, grass finished over organic. If you can get organic and grass fed finished, that's better. But to be honest, the organic label is a lot of bought and paid for by a lot of big farms and stuff like that. So just grass fed is the most important when you're coming to to meet eggs, no soy, no corn, free eggs.

You know what's interesting is I just learned this. I didn't know this. Try to not get eggs that say vegetarian fed because it's not natural for chickens to eat vegetarian. They need to be picking at worms and all these kind of stuff. So it's weird if the case says vegetarian fed that it's kind of like a red flag because that's not natural for chicken to live that way. If you're looking for like a truly organic regenerative farm, that would be like a red flag.

Everyone should find their own farm. Even if you live in the city, you can look up local farms near me that do eggs or something like that. And a lot of them do these like, I don't know, you guys should call them meetups and then like every Friday, they bring all the ingredients to some park or university campus and then you go, you put your order in the day before or not day before, but a couple days before and then you meet them there and you get all your stuff and then go home.

Like there's tons of different things like that. That's what I was doing when I lived in LA with some stuff. And now out here, I just, it gets all delivered to my house. But do you do any process food at all? Oh, yeah, of course. You know, I, so what are your guilty pleasures bread? Yeah, okay. Yeah, for bread, they do have this one brand.

The health food store called Crystal. It's European. So it's not American, which tell you a lot right there, but it's, you know, just all the basic ingredients, nothing you don't want. And they're pretty good except all their bread kind of feels like an English muffin. So, but they have like sandwich rolls, burger, bagels, and they're all kind of like the same. So you're not above like having a cheeto.

Well, I don't eat cheetos. Well, I don't either, but I've tried to figure out what you say. Like I do eat some processed food. Like, are you getting hot pockets occasionally or what? No, nothing like that. I'm not, I'm not that bad. So, but I eat Chipotle. I like I'm going to end it out after this. That's where they're sending my order.

Special treat is a special treat. You know, I'm not going to die. I'll be okay. You know, maybe a little bit of a gout flare up. You know, but you know, every once in a while is going to be okay. I'm not like a huge purist of you need to totally change everything and you can't have something like this. Your body is smart. Your body was created to adapt to toxins and flush toxins out of your body. I mean, you have kidneys and all these different things for a reason.

If you're getting toxins into your body, your body can do a pretty good job of massage. But the problem is is that people do not understand when we say in moderation. So in moderation, people think if I get Chick-fil-A twice a week, that's in moderation. If you know, every night I am eating sour patch kids, that's moderation. But that's all I have all day. You know, I always I have three diet coax today, but that's all I do. I mean, that's in moderation to them. They're not thinking about.

So yes, our bodies are designed to detoxify in that way, but the problem is people do not realize how much basically every food item is saturated with this stuff. It's like our bodies cannot keep up. So when you and I primarily were always eating at home, you know, we rarely go out to eat. We're rarely eating fast food. It's like we're truly living in moderation.

I think to the average person though, they try to use that as an excuse, and they're not really doing that. So they can't ever truly detoxify. Well, it's just so easy to go and get something that's not home cooked meal. I mean, so simple. That's the trap. That's the trap is the convenience. That's not a get home from the farm late because we had some extra things today. We had to wear rotatilling the field, which I'm not a huge fan of rotatilling because a lot of people talk about rotatilling.

This is the whole monocroping thing. You need to do it to get the nutrients stirred up, but actually it's not so good for the soil. Anyway, tangent, but we're there for late and then get home and I wrote a Chipotle for dinner because I was just like, I'm going to eat you some Chipotle. I got to go on this thing tomorrow. It's going to be okay.

If you have to do fast food like that in a pinch because I have those nights too, then Chipotle is my choice because they are cooking in seed oils, but everything is GMO-free at least except for the Coca-Cola stuff. I don't remember the last time I had McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, any of that. You're not washing your hair. No, don't wash my hair. Don't use gel in. Don't use soap. No soap on your body? From my hands. Okay. Explain. What do you mean? What's there to explain?

Why no soap on your body? Why no soap in your hair? Isn't that disgusting? I mean, I am pretty disgusting. No, there's no shampoo and everything. All those shampoos, you guys know, it's filled with all sorts of chemicals and crap. You can get the good shampoos and you can do that. Our ancestors, I'm going to be one of these type of people. Our ancestors did not have shampoo or any way to wash their hair and they're doing just fine.

I don't know if you've read, if you haven't read it, you've got to read it. Nutrition and physical degeneration. You know what I'm talking about? By Weston A. Price. Oh, yes. And he has the pictures of all of the aborigines, people in all the different groups of their teeth and their hair and all these different things. And then he puts them onto the Western diet and you can see it. I mean, the discoveries that he made is just insane. Like I don't use toothpaste. Any, any of them.

You use toothpaste? No, I don't use toothpaste. What? Can you smell my breath from here or what? No, but then... That's because bad breath comes from the gut. It doesn't come from the mouth unless you have like really decaying teeth. But like raw milk is better for your teeth than like any of these toothpaste that you'll get. You are more radical than me. Probably. I'm not going without toothpaste. Now what I have done is I have switched to a holistic dentist. No flora.

I have a totally like clean, non-toxic toothpaste. I don't use any flora or any of that stuff. And if people have mercury fillings, you've got to get the mercury fillings removed out of your mouth from your cavities. Yeah. That's the number one killer. I interviewed a holistic dentist. One of the best holistic dentists in the country. He works in Portland, Oregon.

Dr. Kelly Blodgett back in March this year was super popular because he went over all that stuff, root canals, void them at all costs, all that. But I don't understand you don't use toothpaste. But how do you handle build up and just the filminess and like scraping your tongue and all of that? I've done the copper scraper on my tongue for bacteria and stuff like that. So day and night, you just wake up and you just go. Yeah. Mostly people are going to be like, this dude is disgusting.

Hey, and the girls that you date, they know that you don't brush your teeth and they are not like, okay. Yeah, I mean, they might give me some crap for it. But they don't care. No. Because my breath doesn't smell. Do you, are you doing six month checkups or what? I've been to the dentist in years. I don't know. This is radical will. I was not expecting this. Yeah, I've been to the dentist in years.

Yeah. I used soap on my hands and things like when I cut, yes, or two days ago, I got like a third degree burn on my hand from using a grinder, not the app, the... Using a grinder for grinding metal off the rototeller. What we did with the farmer and the wife, we put aloe on it, just straight aloe from the garden, rubbed it on it, and then put mint. And mint is a natural pain reliever.

So instead of using some antibiotic or some ointment or anything like that, you put mints just a fresh mint leaf on it, wrap it up with some good gauze and it's ready to go. That's good. Another thing is raw honey. Oh, yeah. On your wound instead of with aloe, mint is great. And then you know, you put, by the way, non-toxic bandage, we just found out you're getting forever chemicals seeping into your open wound causing cancer through the traditional bandaid brand. We all grew up.

So I got these like non-toxic bamboo bandages for, you know, emergency. Anyway, that's, that's a great tip. I think that's great. But yeah, I wasn't expecting you to say that. And all pressure, I actually did brush my teeth last night. Oh, well, thank you. I feel honored. Thank you for giving it for me. My yearly tooth brush. I'm going on this show. I better come on. But it's just like really like all these things that it, it's going to sound gross.

I know you guys are all going to be give me crap for this, but it sounds gross. But all these types of things, I guarantee you, you've never tried not doing it. You know, and shampooing for nuts for six months. How many of you guys have ever done that? It's going to be very, very few of you. And once you do it, and you get over the hump of the greasiness in your hair, it's about you about, at least for me. And I have pretty long hair for a guy. I have two, three weeks of greasiness.

And then after that, just the best hair I've ever had in my life. And you guys know, I've had good hair for a long time, maybe. Wouldn't the no brushing your teeth thing only work if somebody is eating like a regimented clean diet like you and I? You're exactly correct. Because I must, I mean, do all the girls that you have dated, I mean, are they all living the same ways you? And then if they're not, would you be okay if they're not ever brushing their teeth?

Because I just feel like that's different. No, it's definitely is, it's like these people, again, going back to the Western A price and nutrition and physical degeneration, he did these studies on the Eskimos, right? And these Eskimos, they would take a fish, they would catch a fish, and they would bury it in the ground for three weeks. And they would let it rot, and then they would eat it.

Because it was built up, I mean, they didn't know this, but they just did it for, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years. But it would build up all this bacteria that would be super good for their gut and for their entire body. Now, if a normal person today were to go and eat that fish, that was in the ground for three weeks rotting, you would be sick, keeling over, you wouldn't know what to do because your body isn't, it's not meant for it, right?

So if you're doing something like not brushing your teeth, and you're eating a bunch of stuff that is getting stuck in your teeth, that's wearing down the enamel, that's wearing down your gums, all these kind of things, you are going to have an unhealthy mouth. But if you are doing things that are good for your body, good for your gut, I mean, we haven't even gotten to this, which is the number one thing that people aren't talking about as parasites.

I don't know if you've done, I don't know if you've done a thing on it. Highly requested, can someone please talk about parasites? Please talk about parasites and I have not. Oh yeah, it's going to a huge, give us your elevator pitch. So I take paraguard, everyone should be doing this three months out of the year. Basically it's the solution, it's warm wood, black walnut, cloves, that's right, what I say, warm wood, black walnut cloves, yeah, and you can do pumpkin seed stuff too.

But it's essentially you're killing all the parasites within your body, like when you are at home tonight, you guys, maybe you're watching this at home after dinner and you say, man, I wish I could have some ice cream right now, some ice cream after dinner, that sounds good. Parasites, brain parasites, all sorts of parasites, within your body that are causing all the problems. They crave the sugar.

They crave the sugar. The most important thing is that parasites are a cause of so many of the issues that people have and they don't even know it. How do you know if you have them? Everyone has them. There's no, there's anyone who eats a steak, you know, raw or you're living in the world. If you have pets, the wife of the farmer, she says she will never have a dog in the house because they're riddled with parasites. She will never have a cat in the house because they're full of parasites.

I'm like, I love my dog. I'm going to sleep with it, you know, even if it has parasites who cares. But in reality, it's very true. All the animals that you're around every day have parasites in them and they transfer to you, the human. And it's terrible for you. The parasites cause so many, so many issues within your body that people really have no idea about. You know, I was talking about inflammation before. Oh, yeah. So much comes from parasites in the same.

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What are some of the like the most radical wellness things you've done? Like have you done a coffee, enema, yet? Like you know weird things like that like that everybody's into in this community. Have you tried anything crazy? Well, I guess this is not brushing your teeth but the number one thing I would say I did the raw milk diet for five days.

What is the raw milk cleanse? Only raw milk. Only raw milk. So no food, no water, five days just raw milk. I meant to go for two weeks but I couldn't last. Is this something you came up with or someone else did it? No, it's actually a protocol. The thing that people don't know about raw milk is that raw milk is medicine.

I know people say that like that's like you know a new kind of catchy thing but raw milk has literally been medicine for hundreds of years in this country and throughout the world. What are the benefits for somebody who has no idea why are people talking about raw milk? I don't get it. Isn't it unsafe? What would you say?

Well, think about a baby calf right and it's going to its mother and it is taking this raw milk from its mother. Why does it do that? Because it is the perfect food to give the calf all of the nutrients that its body needs. Now you are not a cow obviously you know their room and it's different stomachs. That's why I don't recommend people eat green leaves or any sort of salads or anything because your stomach can't handle them.

But essentially it is this perfect food that is giving you all of the nutrients that you need. Vitamin D, vitamin K, the enzymes that are present with it that will help your gut that will help your teeth that will help all of the neurons in your body all of these things. It's literally the perfect food you know it's meant to preserve life only sustained on that.

And so it was essentially used a lot in the early 1900s in this country as a preventative medicine for people with diabetes, with sleep issues, with anxiety. Doctors would actually prescribe people raw milk as medicine for them to cure all these different things. I didn't even know that. Yeah it was a huge thing. I mean before the whole thing with swill milk and all of that in the 1800s and you know up to the clare and the jungle and all this kind of stuff.

Milk, raw milk was used as medicine. Okay but then why did we start pasturizing milk? Obviously they must have found something that was super dangerous. Well that's that swill milk. So because you were having raw milk that was put into all these factory farms which is still going on today which is horrible. But you have these cows that are shoved in next to each other. They're dying. They're full of tuberculosis. They're all these sorts of things. And the milk came out blue.

It was raw milk but it was called swill milk. It came out blue. It was disgusting. And people started drinking this and they got sick. Of course you're going to get sick. You're feeding these cows a bunch of slush from beer manufacturers. Yeah they were eating garbage because everybody that's when we all left the country. We all started populating the cities and everybody's bringing their cows and you've nowhere to put them.

So you're putting them in these in these warehouses and these buildings in the city. And yeah you can't get them normal food. They don't have access to grass. And so they start eating trash and then the milk is poisoned. Yeah. And I got a Louis Pasteur on all these type of guys and talking about all we got to pasteurize the milk, pasteurize the milk. That'll do it.

And it seemed like a good enough solution. But when you have all these cows who are eating these garbage diets still. Yet you think that it's okay because you've pasteurized the milk and homogenized the milk. It's not edible for humans. Humans can eat it. They can't process that inside their bodies because it's lacking the proper enzymes to be digested by a human. So it just doesn't work. So the way that you should be doing raw milk is that it has to be regenerative farming as you talked about.

I mean it has to be from healthy happy cows who are eating what they're supposed to be eating naturally and then getting the milk in a way that is natural. If you're putting them all next to each other and giving them bad diets you're going to be having terrible milk. Okay so the top books that somebody starting their health and wellness journey like you this like I want to be like Alex and Will I want to I want to be radicalized.

If they want to get radicalized what are the your favorite book recommendations or documentaries or whatever. The number one is nutrition and physical degeneration by Western price. That one is number one. It's what he's the guy who the Western price foundation is based off of and also Western price foundation. They have little groups around the country too. Yeah and they will help you find your raw milk your local farmers teach you how to how to ferment your beans or whatever they're doing.

Yeah but that's number one for sure. Documentaries this one's you know probably not super conservative. I don't know what the people are but it's called my biggest little farm. You guys seen that. I know what you're talking about. I think that's when I haven't watched it. Okay it's really cute. These like couple moves from California and they go and they start their own regenerative agriculture farm and it shows their journey and steps.

It was on Netflix I think and now it's on Amazon and I really enjoyed that. That was a fantastic thing. And then I mean you guys already know all the stuff from Sally Fallon morale and all of the wise tradition stuff and getting their magazine and things like you get the magazine. I do. I get the magazine. I'm like Hilda Lebrada Gore's biggest fan. I mean I had her speak at Y to BLS and we went to Joel Salton's farm together to tour it. Yeah I'm obsessed with Western price.

Okay. Yeah I'm fully I'm fully in the cold. Okay go. Yeah and I'm trying to remember the book about cancer that I read that's so important. Cancer is a metabolic disease. Do you you are fully on board with that because that's how I feel about it. For the most part yes. I think your body naturally has cancer cells in it. Right.

Everybody's body already has cancer cells that are within it. It's about the things that come from your environment that actually express those cells to fight your own body. Epigenetics all that. Right. Right. You believe in viruses. No. No. Okay. Okay. Everybody in my radical enough for you. Where are you a flat earther? I'm not a flat earther. Are you all gay there? You know I work on it. All right. You are far. You are far. I'm way out there. I'm like.

So I don't know how I'm allowed in any conservative circles anymore. Moonding fake. Yeah. Not 11. Well it happened but I mean people died. Right. The way that they said. No of course. No. No. All right. These are like common knowledge. We'll have to do part two because there's clearly like a lot more. Read the book of Enoch. Like you Christians out there. I know they say don't read it but read the book of Enoch. And tell us about your books too.

My books there are two of them is how to win friends and influence enemies wrote that one while I was a Prager you doing all the manless street to essentially break down of all the biggest political cultural topics and how to actually change minds on them.

And I was making all my man on the street videos. The number one thing I wanted to do was not just to show how I look at this stupid liberal. I wanted to change people's minds. And if that wasn't the person I was talking to at least it was someone who was watching the video and saying.

Hey, that's a good way to actually talk to people. Number one thing I always got was will how do you stay so calm when you do what you do. And that was came with a lot of practice of being able to do that. And so I wanted to give people those tools. And so that was the first book that I wrote.

Second book is called Do Not Comply. It's like you were talking about growing with your audience. I feel like this one was growing with my audience. It's a little bit more mature breaks down a bunch of the biggest things going on today. Big forma, big media, big tech.

The conservative movement all sorts of things that I see are going wrong and how people can actually use their own individuality to fix the problems that are happening. Do not comply is not just about COVID and vaccines and not complying with that. It's about not complying with the way that this what I call them slave owners, these people who are in control of this country want you to act.

Well, when the inevitable health and wellness will what book comes out, please come back so that we can discuss that and get into all the stuff that we didn't have time to today. I feel like we covered a lot of ground. I learned stuff about you that I didn't know. I'm really passionate about getting more conservatives to care about this kind of stuff.

So it's been fun to watch your content change and you're posting about a lot of the same things as me. So people, where can they follow you on social media? Well, let's say this real quick about what you just said because it's very important. The health stuff that you're saying, if people are not healthy enough and cognitively there enough and hereditary with their children and looking after them and all this stuff, if they are not there, how do you expect to fight for your country?

Yeah. How do you fight for your country if you're overweight and you're your laxatasical in your mind because of all the bad food that you've been eating and your bad relationships because of what you eat and what you take in from the environment. All these kind of things, if you have bad health, you are not going to be able to fight against a tyrannical government, especially the overreaching government that we have.

So it's imperative that people look at this kind of stuff and take care of it. Where can they find me? Right here, I guess. But in social media and stuff, you guys know the will wet. You can find me there on Instagram and then you can order my books on Amazon or anywhere books are sold. We'll put all that in the show notes as well so you can find them all the links. Thank you so much, Will, for he flew, you don't know this, but he is fine.

He flew your person to do this interview with me. You're immediately getting on a plane now to go back all the same day. This is like a nine hour day of flying. Those cows got to be milked. I can't be leaving the cows. He's legit. He's walking the walk y'all. Thank you so much, Will. Thank you, Alex. This is a lot of fun. Thank you. I don't think I've ever heard Will get so candid and personal before I absolutely love this interview and the direction that Will is going with his content.

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