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And we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Imagine what would it happen if we had and attracted the magic we had back when we couldn't fathom life.
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Fantasy, not with the vanity, not the way it was back then.
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When it's on again with Sewn and Jonathan Jee. Welcome to Metimistics where you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean and today is the wonder Wednesday Live Show and one of our very favorite guests that we've ever had the potential of even getting on this show, Santo's Bonacci.
How you doing, man, Well, thanks, thank you for having me.
Appreciate it absolutely, dude.
We've been waiting in anticipation to have you on. Man, just someone like you that's really been, you know, doing as much research as you have on a particular topic. Man, you're the man, so looking forward to this conversation.
You are the man.
Yeah, And I'll tell you what, dude, there's I've been following your stuff for years now. I think my first ever time I can't even say when my first ever time. I was just thinking that maybe it was your appearance on Tinfoil Hat, but it was probably long even before that.
I've just always been so interested in all the astro theology that you that you teach, and find it very fascinating and such such eye opening kind of information, you know, And so yeah, I just wanted to say thank you for doing all that deep research man, and I love the love following you on the journey.
Thanks, guys, I really appreciate that. Yeah, I just do have to say that the viewers will probably be irritated at the fact that I'm going to be scratching all over because just half an hour ago the itch, which is what I call the itch, started, and it always does every time an important show comes along. That's why I don't take them anymore. That's why you guys have been trying for so long, and I've been saying no or postponing it because especially at night, it's nine o'clock here,
that's when the eaching really really starts. So anyway, most of my viewers they know about the itch. If you go to my channel, mister astrotheology and punching the word the itch, you'll know what I've been going through for twenty.
Years just out of curiosity. Have you ever done a or do you even believe in like a past life regression? That's something that something that I do, and a lot of times people find, you know, not necessarily cures to whatever ails them, but sometimes you know, just going into a past life you can discover maybe the root cause of some kind of ailment. Have you ever looked into past life regression for that?
I've done them twice, and I thought they were both a joke. I mean, either the people were not good at it, or I didn't feel I was going into a past life. I felt like I was being led to, well, what's that ugly look? Opened that up? Probably that's better. Okay, Yeah, I just didn't. I didn't. I didn't buy into it. Somehow the woman led me to say that I was a Japanese samurai, and then I was a neo Platonist
philosopher many times and poisoned. You said, she got you to see that, so you felt, well, she was asking the questions I was. I believe you're supposed to be in a meditative state of mind where you regress, where you go back. I couldn't get into that. I can't be hypnotized. I can't be I can't be persuaded. I can't. I'm not. It's impossible to hypnotize me or it's impossible to do those things with me. I don't know why. But it works on other people, but it doesn't work on me. It just doesn't.
I wonder if it's a trust huh. I wonder if it's a trust thing, Like do you have of like trust issues with people that you're not familiar with.
Well, A lot of people believe that this itch is because of my control, something controlling that I have that I haven't let go of. My mats. Sus used to say, when you let go of whatever it is, you have to let go, the itching will leave you. And I don't know what it is, you know, I mean, I meditate. I try and think back if there was any trauma. I don't. I don't remember any trauma. I grew up happy. My parents had plenty of money, had a tobacco farm, properties,
I always have whatever I wanted. I had plenty of friends, had a great life, but some people insist that I had some trauma that I can't remember.
Yeah, I don't know, man, That's that's a tough one. And I think that, you know, because I'm I'm somebody that I have my fair share of tics from time to time that I wish that I had a little bit more control of. But I think it's probably a little bit more of like a weird nervous habit. It's strange, and that's kind of what reminded me of, you know,
what you were saying earlier. You were like, you were fine up until like a half an hour before the show, and then maybe the nerves kick in, or you know, just coming up in front of a screen. It does something to it interesting how that stuff works.
Though.
Yeah, Look, I've never ever, I've never ever taken a show when the itching has just started. I've had to cancel thousands, I don't know how many. It's very disappointing, but I'm going to do it this time. I don't care because the itching has stopped me from many many projects and many many things that I've wanted to do. And I'm learning now just to bet grim grit my teeth and uh, grin and Barrett.
You know, just hey, dude, that's that's all you can do.
You know, Yes, it's gonna look, it's gonna look ridiculous, but uh, you.
Don't even worry about that. Man, don't even worry about that.
I appreciate you, uh, you know, coming on anyways, even with with everything going on.
Man, I really appreciate you though for sure.
Well I apologize in advance to you guys, and.
That's not necessary.
Well, let's uh, let's do a little something to maybe try and take your mind off of it a little bit. I there, we've talked a little bit about a little bit. We've talked a little bit about astro theology in the past, but I know that there's so much that goes into it, and and to be honest, we have a hard time even wrapping our our brain and our minds around astrology in general and forget tying all of the ancient myths to them. So I do always find it very fascinating.
But as far as I'm aware, you are the man to go to for these kinds of things. So just out of curiosity, what kind of brought you into this?
I don't really know. I mean, it's my bent I've been interested in literature and theology and the gods and the myths and disasters from the past and where did we come from and where are we going? And I just I've just been on that path really language, music,
history and theology. My parents baptized me as a Catholic in Victoria, Australia when I was a little boy, and then I think around about the age of three, We've got a knock from the Jehovah's witnesses, and my mother converted, and then my father and then a couple of other relatives, and I grew up as a little boys to Jehovah's witness and then when the teen in the seventies, I
was a teenager born in sixty three. So I went to school with the disco high heel shoes and hippie I did all the I left the witnesses and did all the worldly things. You know. I had muscle cars, big golliwog hairdoo. As I said, I used to wear the big six inch disco shoes to school. I don't know how they allowed it. I was going to a college and everyone was wearing the high heel shoes so you could wear your uniform, but you could also have your long hair and your high heel shoes. So I
went through that stage. And anyway, all my teen years I was in the world, and by the time I got to nineteen, I realized that the world had nothing to offer. The fast cars, the girls and all of that stuff. And I did all that. I tried it, you know, and I was just no, it's not for me. So I made up my mind in my heart to turn my ways back to God. And I went back to the Joba's witnesses, which was in a way an
annoying mistake. But the good thing about it was that I learned the Bible inside out and backwards, and I just loved the Bible. I still do. And the good thing about it was that, unlike all most Jehovah's witnesses, I continued. I continued reading books that I wasn't supposed to in secret. So since I left school at fourteen and a half, I've had my nose in books.
We've really been trying to dip our nose into a lot of books here lately to find that there's definitely a lot of knowledge out there. And I think that it's it's just overall better for your well being to be nose in a book rather than those in your phone, scrolling on Facebook or any of these other things that are basically just mind melting things and nobody's really learning a whole lot. You might get a little curious about a thing and then you move on as if you know,
nothing just happens. So you know, it doesn't require any patience, it doesn't require any work, and you know, it's it's very interesting about how the nature of the world. And so we're trying to bring all of that back. You know, we're trying to to bring back the excitement about diving into books and the excitement about the esotericism of the esoteric way of understanding the world. And you know, that's
just what excites us. And yeah, to have you on here, man, that's like cream of the crop, so awesome, love it you. You definitely inspired us to look into a lot of this. So I just want to say thank you for that. But yeah, so you started out man, going to Jehovah's witness, Well I started out. You started our Catholic then you went to Jehovah, became of the world, wanted to turn away from the material world went back to Jehovah's witness,
as I'm sure a lot of people do. You know, whenever they feel like they're on a journey, they're going to go back to the righteous spiritual journey that they're familiar with. And what was it about the Jehovah's witness the second time that made you kind of start looking at it in a different kind of way.
Well, I love the fact that they were always reading the Bible, quoting the Bible, and I guess trying their best to interpret it and things like that. I was fascinated by that. I grew up bilingual. My parents were both collaborating from south to south of Italy. So my father he never learned English, so he would only speak color Colubrian to me. So I grew up with English
and Collabrian. So this is the interesting thing, right, So here's an Italian, second generation Italian born in Australia, whereas all my other relatives went to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, California, Toronto, Virginia. I've got relatives all over the States, and I'm in Australia and I'm thinking, gee, man, I would have much rather been in Memphis on the Mississippi or New Orleans
or California, where all my cousins are. So I was kind of upset at that, but now in hindsight, I appreciate it because being Italian, all my relatives were Catholic. I was witness when I went to school in the sixties. We were still under the Imperial you know mile inches and yards, which are still use. I still talk in
you know, six foot whatever. And then we converted to metric in the early seventies and our money, our currency was pounds, the pound, and then we flipped over I think it was a year after that we went to the American dollar. So I got I got the best of every word, every all the world's to eventually get syncretism because none of my cousins who went to Catholic church knew the Bible on you, on your well as a young boy and all my life. So I got
the Bible right. I got two languages from birth, so an Italian Protestant and with two languages, so that that really helped, because languages is very, very important in Astro theology. The secret of understanding the world is words. That's what that's it. It's words. Words create worlds. Nothing else. Now, Pythagoras will say numbers, and the kabalistic Jews will say letters. God made the world with letters, but it's words.
Wow. Yeah, to be honest, I kind of I agree with that as well. You know, we've had a lot of shows with magicians and witches and they'll tell you the same exact thing. You know, it's all about induction and evocation and all that stuff. Spell work is always through words, and you know, your words are are aligned with your intentions, and uh, they're just they're interesting little
vehicles for your intentions, you know. And so it does make sense that even you know, even the world, you know, it says that that God created with with his word, right, So it would it would literally make sense that, you know, words shape our reality, probably in far more ways than we can even imagine.
Yeah, words are atoms. All is a tomb. There are only atoms, but not the atoms that you learned about at school. It's torus field atoms. Everything you say, everything that exists, every thought, form, every wife, every wife, whether it's sound, light, thought, or emotions, it's all it's all taurus fields, which are atoms. That's why the Egypsum said all is a tum. Now we have a word called etomology, which is essentially atomology. So through that we learn that
there is only one language, the language of atoms. If all is a tomb, then all languages must be a tom. If all is a tom, then every human, the sun, the moon, the fireplace, over there, my guitars, it's all a tongue, which means it's all atomic, electromagnetic, Everything is electromagnetic.
Does it tie into being the first as well? Whenever you say a tom, like are you are you kind of grouping in like the whole atom and eve kind of creation? Like atom was the first one or first human created? Or are we like just symbolically, does a tom kind of mean the first or the beginning?
Yeah? Yeah uh. In Gematria, a t u m is one two three four equals ten equals one Wow, and Adam a d A m one four, one four equals ten equals one Oh Eden, the garden of Eden. Eden equals one. Aiden equals one. Dna equals one, which is an anagram of Dan, which is Adan in Spanish Adam, So a tom is Adam see Adam is on and eve even is two. The universe despired by numbers.
Oh shit, so many different ways to interpret all this kind of stuff. I just love it because you have to group in numerology with it too. You have to group in gomatria. You know. These are the These are the people that essentially, you know, kinda they were the literate ones, the ones that were putting putting pen to pad and had the basic understanding and which eventually came to teach the masses.
You know, so there would have to be creating their own reality, dude, like whatever reality.
They want you to know, because they have the ability.
To write and what we say, you know. And Sean I think brings it up a lot too. It's that like a lot of people that are involved into just not nothing against anybody who's religious or anything like that, but you can kind of see how each religion is somewhat of a spell, you know, that that that religion is shaping their outer world, how they view the world, you know. And yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I like what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, it's all spells. That doesn't mean that it's evil or good. Once you go beyond that, then you won't be like these TikTok one minute guys who will say, oh, English is the language of witchcraft. It's evil. And I mean, these people make you laugh and fall off my seat, and then just delete them and unsubscribe and never watch them again. But you know there will always be fools. So English is not an evil language. What is it evil is legal ease, which is a register of English,
which is what we've all been taught at school. That's the evil of English. English as a language is both good and evil. But the register of English, called Legalese is what we get taught at school. We don't get taught English. We do not learn English at school. We get taught Legalese. For instance, if I say do you understand, that doesn't mean do you comprehend in a judge's court room because he's speaking Legalese. There's no official language in America.
Did you know that in America there is no official language. You don't have one.
I just assumed it was English, but I guess not.
No, it's the customary language of the USA. It's not the official language because it's never had one. In fact, one hundred years ago they were voting on it and was going to be German because the US is sixty percent German.
Ah, what a different world that would have been.
Just look it up. Look look up the ethnic you'll see maps of this, the ethnic groups or concentration of ethnicity in the US of A. And you'll see sixty percent Germany since time immemorial or whenever. I don't know, because I don't trust history, but neither No, you can't trust history. But there are maps that will show you that the demographic of everything, especially all the North, all of it, all of it from Oregon, all the way
to Pennsylvania, except for the Deep South, which was all blacks. Yeah, all blacks. And then you'll see it. If you look for the maps, you'll see it's a German country. And in fact, the official language was going to be German, but because they couldn't decide, they left it as just a customary lange.
Which, oh wow, I'm just seeing. One of our listeners, electro Nick shout Out, posted this as of March first, So, oh, March first of last year. It says a presidential action of designating English as the official language of the United States. That's crazy that it even took that long. That's why.
Yeah, I was gonna add that that. I remember that just recently, just a couple of years ago. They did that because well, it's it's strange.
I never knew that at all. Yeah, Like I never even sat there to think about that and go, you.
Know language, you know, most people don't know. The inquisition never went away.
Right, Well, look you you were talking about, you know, languages in and it kind of made me think here and I want to get your opinion on this. So we have. I've spoken to a lot of people who believe that you can't read something in English and have the same effect as if you were stating it in Latin, or in Hebrew or in Greek or anything like that, pertaining to maybe even psalms from the Bible or you know,
old Satanic incantations or anything like that. Do you believe that the language depends highly upon the effect of whatever you're trying to say whenever it's like magically involved, I guess yeah.
Yeah. Look, there's a whole mood, there's a whole attitude toward every language. You see. This is why Italian has its romance, this is why French has its prettiness, this is why German has its harshness, this is why Russian has its complexities and whatnot. So yeah, but they're all one language. It's just that they're all dyslexic versions of atomology.
That's our language, our only one language that exists. And I've proven proven that with hundreds and hundreds of presentations in all languages, not just English, but they all go back to one language. And the root word of all words is a tum.
It all started from there.
Wow, everything everything comes from a tum. See tum is the sound of the ether turning into plasma. Because everything's plasma. We don't see the ether. But the ether is white and black light the white and black in and yang. When black is dielectricity, white is magnetism, right, black is rest, white is motion. When rest and motion start doing this, then white light expands and splits like through a prism, and it creates red shift, blue shift, the rainbow.
You just said like all the keywords of everything we've talked about over the last two months.
It's crazy.
Yeah, So that's snow white and the seven dwarves.
Oh, can you explain that a little bit more?
Well, white light going into a prism and outside the other end come the seven dwarves.
Oh, mind set.
The seven colors of the rainbow. Your seven chakras, violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange, and red at the bottom. Everything is nursery rhymes. All the Gospels, all the fairy tales, every single book. Everything goes back to electromagnetic waves.
Everything's just very retelling, a retelling reshaped, you know, but the same foundation.
Yeah, So let me finish off with the Inquisition. In twenty twenty two, they change their name to the Dickastry of the Doctrine of the Faith. So as people don't know that just two years ago or whatever, English was made the official language of the USA. So do the masses not know that the Inquisition has never gone away before that. It changed its name in nineteen sixty five, before that in nineteen oh eight, and before that. Just go to Wikipedia, check it out. Put the word Inquisition
in and you'll see all about it. It's never gone away. We are under the Inquisition. What is the rest now are all about? That's what the plagues are all about, That's what all these wars are all about. That's why the economy is It's the Inquisition.
Oh my god.
So that's literally the reason why you know, our official language of the United States just got changed. So what does that Does that mean that all of these things that you kind of just mentioned as far as inquisitory things aren't able to happen now that the language is the official language of the United States have switched over to English.
No, it's not going to change much. It's not because see, when you go to court, you don't realize that you're not No one ever says to the judge, what is the official language that you are speaking, because once you ask that question, you can walk out of the courtroom. Really, because they know they're not speaking English. They are masters, dark, dark masters of the science of inverting English into legal ease.
Everything's legal and everything. So you call yourself a person, right, Well, person comes from a parson, and a parson belongs to the Catholic Church.
Right.
All these Protestants in their five oh one c three churches, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Baptists, they're all Catholic. Everyone. Everyone in the world who has a birth certificate is Catholic. No use saying that you're a Protestant or you're a Buddhist. If you have a birth certificate, you are a person, a parson, which is a servant of the Vatican and your Catholic. You cannot escape this. Everyone is Catholic. It's a Catholic world.
Oh it seems like a curse, doesn't it, you know? And and that's that's It's pretty interesting too, because I've gone over a little bit of this as well in the in the past few years. As far as the terminology within Black's Law Dictionary is, is that kind of what you're referring to?
It's witchcrawd Black, Black's Law Black. Why wouldn't have to be black? Why can't I just have you know, it's just and why did I have to revise it every every year? There's a different addition, right man.
It's all these illusions that I thought I was bringing down and I thought I started to really see things for what they were. And there's just another one that I'm like, Oh, I'm a part of this thing that I had no idea was a part of.
Oh my god.
Well, now what happens if you're born in the wild and you grow up like Tarzan and you're raised by you know, monkeys and wolves and everything. Obviously you're not gonna have a birth certificate, so then you wouldn't be under the Catholic law.
Then right, that.
Can't touch you. Let's say, for instance, they're going to a village and kidnap everyone. The first thing they'll do is get their papers. If they've got papers, then they belong to the Catholic Church, and they can kill them. They can do whatever they want. If a child does not have papers, they have to leave that child. They can't take it because it's not their property. See. And another thing is all these people who read their King James version and everything. They've got this book that's got
sixty six books in it that's Catholic. There's no Protestant Bible. It doesn't exist. There is no such thing as a Protestant Bible. That's a whole crock of shit. That book goes back to Constantine and his bishop Ucbus and all these other bishops at the Council of Nicia three twenty five CE, where two three hundred Gospels and holy books were said to be not fit, but they chose sixty six. So you've got these Protestants. They go to church and they hate the Catholic Church and condemn it and told
them that they're going to help. And yet they are Catholic because they hold a birth certificate can't escape it. And they're reading a Catholic book that is not a Protestant book. It's not a Christian book.
Well, yeah, it can't be because.
The canonized book. So they're all Catholics. Everyone's Catholic.
Yeah, nobody's including the you know, the the Gnostic Gospels of anything inside of their Bible or anything like that. They're just sticking with what the what the original councils tried to do back in the three hundreds and narrowing it down and trying to make a vision of what it all actually means.
And it's crazy, man.
We've we've done a lot of deep dives into the Bible, especially going in to like Paul, and a lot of a lot of that. I've heard people say that Paul never even actually existed, that that was just like, I don't know, the church kind of building. A guy, what are your thoughts on that.
None of them existed? There is no past, There is no past, there's no future. There's only the ever present. Now. Everything you read about in the Bible, that's all archetypes and all parts of you and your biology. Jesus is in you, Buddha is in you, Krishna is in you. If you go looking back in the past and finding these guys, you will not find them. You won't find them in the future. You won't find them outside of you, because nothing is outside of you. Nothing is outside of you.
It's all in your mind. The thing is that your mind has been limited so much and indoctrinated so much that it's almost inconceivable that everything is the sun and the moon and the earth, it's all in you. It's all in your mind.
Speaking of a language, dude.
So it's no use arguing whether Jesus was black or he had blue eyes, or whether he was a Jew or whatever is. There's there's no argument. It's dead. History is dead. It's it's not a thing.
So with it being that, if something is in the past but the past doesn't exist, does that mean that it never happened like according to the present moment, Does that mean that it never happened or does it just exist as a memory of all his mind?
No, No, it's it's happened, but it's happening or happened now. Everything is in the now. It's hard to it's very hard to do this. It's very hard to bring everything into the now. You know, and it's very, very hard to bring all things into one. We always say it, all things are one, all things come from the one source. We always say it. We're saying it, but we don't
understand how to work all that out. But once you do, once you come to this conclusion and you understand that history, the future, gospels, gods and legends and everything, and that it's all in you. You are the universe. You are the universe, You are everything. Your power is unlimited, unlimited.
Yeah, I couldn't agree.
It's all in you.
And people are still trying to choose the story that gives them fear, you know what I mean.
It's like good and will always be killing each other because my Jesus is black, yours is white with blue eyes. And Mary his mother was not a virgin and she was black or whatever. You know, there's people out there arguing they've got channels devoted on Jesus was black and all the white man came along and made him white and for a special reason to subdue the black people.
That's all the crocod shit. Because the black Jesus represents the source, Jesus the resting light, because Christ means rest. That's what it means to rest, so and Mary or Magdalene magnetism that means the opposite, to move. So it's not masculine energy that moves, it's feminine energy. Masculine energy goes to rest. It's feminine energy that makes.
Movement, which makes sense if you look at lions, you know, the males are the lazy ones, you know, like you're.
Just trying to rest.
Dude, it's my wife that's telling me, Hey, you need to go and take care of that garage, you know what I mean, a little.
Overdue, go for a jog once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh man, it's interesting how all that works out like that. You know, we've just been so obsessed with trying to get to the bottom of it, and just out of curiosity have and I don't know if this is too personal, but have you experienced any psychedelics that kind of led you to this m.
Well, yeah, I've taken most of the psychedelics you can mention, you know, but for sure, and I still do, but very moderately and occasionally. But my friend is cannabis. I don't smoke it because I don't like smoking green stuff. This is just pure mapacha Peruvian tobacco. So and I do that for the nicotine.
Which is really good for you.
Mm hmm.
Yeah. So I take drops broad spectrum drops and every time I do, the syncretisms just pouring. So for the last twenty years, with all the syncretism I've done, I primarily have to thank the enthugen called cannabis. That's my best friend.
I had never known that it was grouped in the Anthea gens, but it does make sense. I've had some experiences. You smoke a little bit too much.
Dude.
Oh you are going to another land.
You know we have.
We used to be good friends, you know, me and cannabis, but you know we've grown apart. Just as of late, I feel like it just gives me too much damn anxiety anymore. Like, to be honest, it's like too much anymore, Like what something is in there?
You know what I mean.
Strains don't touch strains. Here in Mexico, I get the ancient, ancient, ancient cannabis, and it doesn't make you. It doesn't make you paranoid or stressed. It makes you beautiful.
It's that's why it was illegal. The stuff they give us. Now they're like, oh yeah, go ahead and smoke this.
This is legal.
Yeah, yeah, that is smoke. This anxiety and a joint.
No ship. I feel like I'm sitting next to myself.
And which one is me? I don't know.
I don't know anymore, dude, I need help.
Yeah, it's but see the the other reason why it does that, I'm sure number one is straines they have. They've made these strains to cause depression, paranoia, anxiety, suicidal tendencies. Strains of cannabis is probably the worst enemy of the ascension consciousness process to humanity. Never ever, ever just smoke any weed.
I thought I was just getting super weak or something.
I'm like, I used to just do this all day long, and now all of a sudden, I'm just like thinking about the worst shit, and like, you know, I'm not used to this.
Well. The second thing is that cannabis like mushrooms. I do. I do mushrooms as well, DMT every now and then a little bit of LSD. I know it's it's synthetic and it's not unnatural, but it's it's very very special for me. It's very special because it's a really really good and and other things. But what cannabis will do.
So.
First of all, what's causing paranoid and all these troubles is the strains. But if that should happen when you take pure cannabis, well then that's good. You have to work through it. That's your shadow work. It helps you do your shadow work. If you're getting good cannabis and you're taking it and you're getting paranoid in stress and it's doing all this shit to you, ride it. Ride that storm because at the end you'll get a reward.
The reward I got from cannabis is syncretism, and I play the guitar ten times better than when I'm straight.
Dude, I used to feel like I could draw way better.
So I used to be a busker right street performer now and I used to sell my CDs. So if I would play straight, i'd probably sell ten percent of when I was stoned. So if I'm having a half hour set and I'm not selling, I'd go to my car, smoke some weight, some good weight, come back, the passion comes out, and I sell one hundred ceed days, go home.
It puts you back in the flow. It feels like, yeah, I remember it. I don't know. I mean, I didn't start smoking until I was probably seventeen regularly, and that was two thousand and seven. And even that weed back then was like, you know, you had to pay so much extra for the more potent stuff. I always wanted the less potent stuff. I always called it Mexican dirt weed because I was like, dude, I don't care where you get it. I wanted to be I wanted to
be brown. I want there to be stems. I want seeds. I don't care if it if it pops on my face, I don't even care. That's because anything stronger than that it gets me paranoid, it gets me sleepy, hungry. I don't want to do anything into couch. It don't matter indicasativa. I'm into couch either way. So yeah, it's it's unfortunate what they've done to that. And I think that, you know, a lot of the dispensaries they probably think that, like, oh, yeah, well,
the people love these these higher strands and everything. But man, it's so hard to find any of just the regular weed anymore. It's it's damn near impossible.
I think the old struggle in the US, you've you've got to get someone from Mexico to send you some. But I remember in the seventies, whenever we smoke weed, we would just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh. And then that all stopped in the eighties and nineties, then in anxiety and and people thought, oh, yes, because marijuana does that. No. No, even the seventies, when it was pure, it would make you laugh and happy, and it was just it was beautiful. It was just so blissful.
In the seventies, I remember, it's so And now the stuff that I'm getting in Mexico also makes me laugh and happy and blissful.
Well, I'm gonna have to come smoke with you sometimes, man, because I miss those days.
Oh, I won't be smoking. I've never smoked weed. I don't like smoking anything it's green, it's got to be brown, it's got to be I grew up on a tobacco farm, so I've always been I love to smell of tobacco. I've always been tobacco, a tobacco person. See what I do. I'll only smoke one or two of these a day. I don't just sit there at the smoke. No way I'm going to do that to my lungs. But and then when I don't feel like smoking. I just chew it.
The best thing you can do, guys, is get yourself some pure mapacho Peruvian tobacco and grab belief in the morning and just sit it under your tongue for half an hour. You've got you'll You'll never get a flute. I haven't had a flu for six years. I don't get colds.
Wow.
Yeah, I mean I don't have anything at all at all. In fact, today my chiropractice said that my joints and my ligaments are of an adolescent. She said, you, I'm sixty three. I'll be sixty three in a couple of months, right, So she said to me, she said, I can't believe I've never seen a person like you that moves so nimbly on my table. Turn around and I'm you know, like and your joints right. No arthritis, none of that. No diabetes, No headaches, I've never I've only had one
headache all my life. Yes, I've got this hitch, but I can probably explain that away. When I was a teenager, I went to the river for a swim. It's just half a mile from my house, and on the way back, the dust cropper had already sprayed DDT over the tobacco, and it was dark. I had to get home, so I walked through it. By the time I got home, my body was full of white and red welts all over my body, lumps all over my body, and I
was poisoned by DDT. And then later on I met natural paths who said, you've got lead poisoning, So it could be that I'm doing lots of protocols to get rid of it.
Are there any of your organs that are affected with that as well?
What it does is it takes my breath away, makes me breathless, makes my heart palpitate, and it makes my gut feel like I've just a pound of glass shots of glass. So those are the three things lungs, hot, and gut that it affects.
My God, and you've tried a lot of different things trying to, you know, uh, figure it out and get rid of it and all these things not to get too weird here. Have you ever tried? Have you ever heard of the Gerson method, the Gershon Gerson method. It's basically it's it's an organic green coffee enema and it's uh, it's not just to like make you shit it's it's for like cleansing your liver and getting rid of all the the heavy metals and the toxins and everything out
of there too. It's I've been I've been doing it here for I don't know, three or four months now, and I feel great, not only in the gut, but like my mind is a lot clearer as well with it, just by getting every day really okay, hey, all right, every.
Day first thing in the morning. The reason being is that opens all the sphincters in your gi tract from the stomach to the descending column, all the sphincters. But a shut like that. You know, uranus is a sphincter, right, so when you pass wind, that sphincter opens. When you pass solids, it opens. So when you put coffee in your backside, you just need a little bit, just need a two hundred milli liters. What it does. You lie on your left side because you don't want it to
go to the transverse and to the ascending column. You want to stay in the left, So you lie on your left so it stays at the very very very bottom because there is where the receptors or whatever it is, they they send the signal to all the sphincters to just open up, and all the buy and all the shit and all the poisons, all of them come out in your pieces. So there's a lot of things I do that keep me alive. But the isch just doesn't go away. It just won't go away. It'll leave me.
It'll leave me for three months. Sometimes I won't have each for six months, but just turn up one night and then it'll torture me for a month, and then it'll go away and then it comes back. And this is one of the reasons why I don't take these shows on, because I don't know. It's sometimes the anxiety. I do get nervous when I do shows. I'm not immune to. I mean, I've done a lot of public speaking and performing with my music and everything like that, but I still get nervous.
Oh yeah, I don't think that ever goes away. I think the people that say that it goes away or just bullshitting themselves, to be honest with you, because I've done i don't know, probably fourteen hundred shows in my life so far, and yeah, I still get a little butterflies in the stomach every time, especially when talking to somebody like you, like you're somebody. Dude. You are a legend to me. I've learned so much from you and always been so fascinated by your work and I just
I love it, and especially all the astrotheology stuff. But I did want to ask you, so, if I'm not mistaken, you're also a Are you also a.
Vegetarian as well? Uh?
Vegan?
Vegan vegan? And have you found that that has worked well for your body and your health?
Well? I started about eighteen years ago, two thousand and seven, when I stopped eating made no. I was just a pescatarian because I never liked redding mate anyway. It was too heavy for me and I just didn't like it. I've never was never an egg person, or cheese or milk at school. At primary school, I used to give you a quarter milk every morning, so I'd go around the corner, spill it out, come back and and the teacher would be fooled because it just milk stinks like shit.
So it was easy for me to lose it because I didn't like it anyway. But the thing that happened was it got rid of my chronic fatigue straight away. As soon as I became a vegan. I had energy. I got a lot of energy. I might be itching and it's torturing me, but I can still go out and jog and run and build and do everything, and I'll just I just have a And in fact, my beautiful chiropractor, God bless us, she is amazing, amazing. Yeah, she said, the energy I sensed from you, I've never
felt from any other human being. She said, you are this this something magic about your energy. And I'm just like, okay, what do you mean. I'll try to she and she yeah, she explained how she sensed my energy. And I know that anyway because all my grandparents and all my uncles and everyone has always said, you know, they're slow down. You're just like a ball of fire, and you just you just all that energy, you know, what's what's with you? Yeah?
Oh, you take care of yourself, you know, and you have you have a drive, and you have that fire and the passion to to keep on understanding the nature of your reality. And the cool thing about it is is that we're never going to know everything, so we can literally study and learn about all this stuff until the day we die, you know, And that's that's what I love about it. It's a never ending rabbit hole.
And so I imagine even you know, somebody like yourself who's been in this kind of this kind of work and this kind of you know, uh, teaching and schooling and stuff like that, like you probably are still learning something new just about every day, right, kind of shaping your own nature, of your own reality.
Brother, Sometimes I don't even have the confidence to get on a show and talk about syncretism because I know that I know nothing.
There you go, words of a wise man. Yes, sure, well, I just.
I just I know even though I know this and I know there. I can play the guitar, I can speak certain languages and what have you. But to know is a big thing to know. Put it this way, I know nothing, but I can know everything, just like you and I, like you and all the listeners, we can know everything, and we do know everything. But it's in another field which we mostly cannot. We can't enter into that field because of all the damage that the system has done to us. But that's changing. The sun
is changing its frequency. The Christ has returned. The Christ is the Sun, and that's why they're trying to block it so much, because what will happen is people will see that the sun is actually just a ball of consciousness. It is the conscious seat of the.
Universe literally, physically, literally and physically. Yes, wow, it makes a lot of sense. You know, there used to be a lot of people worshiping the sun. Yeah, yeah, probably still a lot.
Well, yeah, because it's it's obvious. It's a no brainer. Whether you're spaestic or you're you're super intelligent individual, you can't deny that life comes from the sun.
And you know what I've done the sun gazing, you know, in the morning and in the evenings and everything. And I swear like you stare at that bad boy for thirty forty fifty seconds, it starts looking like a damn portal that doctor Strange is opening up, like there is something absolutely mystical about it. And it almost looks like like it's blinking, like shades of gray or shades of black or something too. Have you have you done a fair amount of sun gazing in your day as well?
Every day?
Yes?
The trick is. The trick is to be able to see all the colors of the rainbow in the sun, especially violet. When you tune your eyes to get the violet only from the sun. That's a different experience altogether, the whole new level.
You what's the technique for that? What's the secret sauce on that?
Well, I can look at the sun at any time of the day, it doesn't matter how hot it is, and it doesn't matter where it is. But if you're going to start doing it, make sure it's very very low on the horizon. So the first half hour of rising, do ten seconds walk away, next day twenty seconds, next day thirty build up, build up, build up, and never ever ever stare at the Sun higher than say, thirty
degrees off the horizon, whether it's rising or setting. Then once you get advanced, you can just look at it whenever you want.
Yeah, and so the goal is to be able to see all the colors of the rainbow. So I guess that would make the sun the prism or Yeah.
How you do that is you change the shape of your eyeball. Call it squinting, but you're looking at the sun right and you just sort of do this or whatever whatever it does, whatever your eye needs to do, but change it, turn around, do something with it, and you will the eyes will adjust to get the color you want.
Okay, it's kind of like a Wayne's World kind of situation. Camera one camera two, camera one camera two. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna try messing around with that because I used to. I used to do that quite a lot, actually, and I was doing it every day, and I got to where I was able to do it for minutes at a time, and the profound effect of calm and energy at the same time that I was given it was that's that's that was the effect that it had on me.
Anyway.
I mean, I don't know how much of that is just I don't know what it is, because it feels mental, but it also feels physical at the same time.
Yeah, physically, I get out in the sun every day in the morning naked and just meditate in silence, listen to the birds and the squirrels, and always bathe my body in the sun. I never wear shoes. I never ever wear shoes. In fact of the day, I was out there with the horses. There's a equine therapy thing just five minute walk from my house and I do
a lot of work with them. Anyway, I was walking in the barefoot and there's all these handicapped people that I was one of the guys that were training the horses and leading the horses and leading the death blind and whatever people that were on the horses because it's equine therapy. And one of the girls who was doing the same work, young girls, she says, don't don't your feet burn on the sand. It's roasting hot. And I said, no, I never thought of it. I just o my feet
never get burned, no matter how hot it is. And then and then later the guys, the guys were laughing and I was saying, wow, man, you must cook your foot. Isn't it hot? And I said, no, it's hotter with shoes. If I had shoes on, they're not get hot feet.
Yeah. Yeah. There's this football player that plays for the Patriots.
His name is Mac Collins, and he's always known for walking around barefoot everywhere, and everybody always asks him like why are you always barefoot? Like he walks, he runs, he practices barefoot and everything, and he goes, I'm not wearing those foot prisons because that's kind of what it feels like whenever you have them on, you know. And then of course it takes away the natural grounding as well.
Yeah, you have to be grounded. You just have to. It's whether you whether you believe it or not, whether you practice it or not. It's it's your decision. You don't have to. But I do it every day religiously, and I just don't. I just don't have shoes. By going to town, I'll wear some flip clops or something like that. But apart from that, everywhere, stones, whatever, I just walk. I don't look at what I'm walking on. I just walk on it because my feet are very, very hard. They're like horses.
Got to get like that. Put callouses on.
I don't know if you can see the calluses. Let's see how dirty. They're not even dirty, but yeah, you look at that, see those calluses.
Oh yeah, he's got shoes built in.
So yeah, I don't know any.
Man.
I I need to get like that too, because grounding is I feel like it's such a slept on thing, you know, because people will even take the the electrical gauges or whatever that to me to measure the electricity and to measure grounding and whatnot, and you can do it just with bed sheets. I actually have this grounding mat on my desk and it helps a little bit,
I guess, But yeah, that grounding, super super important. I know that we don't have very much time with you and it you know, you're welcome to stay as long as you want, of course, but you know, I do kind of want to ask you, you know, just if this is one of my last questions to you, is there anything that that you would like to or that you could kind of bestow like wisely to anybody that is on this path of understanding oneself and understanding the
nature of this reality. Is there kind of one building block or one thing that really helped you along your way?
Yeah, dunp and unlearn everything you've been taught by fools, and that's everyone teachers, government, politicians, doctors, people with authority. I left school at fourten and a half. Why because the teachers were why more stupid than me? I was stupid? Yeah, because I did stupid shit, but they were even more stupid. So why would I Why would I just sit there and listen to him? So I've got caught smoking for
the third time. I did it deliberately, so because I knew that that was the rule if you get caught. So I got called up to the Vice President's office and he gave me two choices either you get expelled or you walk out. And I just went I mean I didn't show him how happy I was and overjoyed in my heart, but I just was like, I can
just leave this concentration camp, education camp, you know, indoctrination camp. Whatever. Yeah, and just at fod In and a half because in Australia the law was that you had to reach fifteen before you could leave school. So I was lucky I'll go to that six months before my jile sentence.
You know, well, I think that that's maturity. Yeah, I totally agree with you. Unlearning is probably one of the hardest things that most of us have to do. You know, whether you were indoctrinated via a religion or a school system or a government, and all of us were in some form or fashion, and if you weren't a lot of people around you absolutely were. And it takes a lot to unlearn and break down. And it's something that has luckily Sean and I, you know, we didn't grow
up in any religion. We didn't grow up in a church or anything, so it's a little bit easier, I think, to swallow some of these concepts without feeling and guilt. But that's man, some of the rage that comes out by by some people. You know, you start talking about this kind of stuff and you're literally satan, you're literally demonic, and you're playing with dark forces and you just don't know. Unfortunately, poor you, You just don't know.
You don't understand yet.
You know, we've we've kind of just gone beyond. You know, look, if that's if that's what your thought processes are about me, then yeah I am demonic, Yeah I am satanic. I'll allow you to think whatever you want about me. You know, that's kind of the route we've taken.
That's definitely the the understanding that we've come to is everything that's kind of a story. Like I feel like I just had like an epiphany like a week ago that everything.
Is really just a story.
And a lot of what you do is really trying to understand the the putting or putting together rather the story of the sky, and understanding that all of these other stories are just retellings of that, you know, and like you think of history and it's like those are just stories that other people are telling you what happened, you know, And so as far as like what I've
come to understand is everything is just a story. But I wanted to ask you a question as far as like, because I'm you know, Jonathan and I are always contemplating and really trying to understand things. Is there something recently that you've kind of been thinking about a lot and doing a lot of contemplation on that is becoming more clear to you.
Yeah, I'm realizing more how much power I have to manifest things and to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Rest assured. All of this shit that's going on around the world, it's all just stories, It's all just theater. Just stay within yourself, stay true, be authentic, know yourself, get to know yourself, love yourself, enjoy your own company. I love soul with you. I love sol. I don't have any need for anything anything. There's nothing that I need and I want in this world at
all at all. I've never been in love, for instance. Yeah, I've been married and everything, but I've never been in live right, So, and I don't care for it. I don't I don't need it because I didn't get it when I was younger, And why do I want it now? I don't, you know. I mean, I love looking at Ferrari's. But I don't want one. You know. I love looking at people's beautiful mansions and everything like that, but I don't want one. I don't want one. I want a shack.
I want a wooden shack and a guitar to play, and and I'm happy.
That's the way to go, right there.
That's a good place to be, you know, when you don't need anything, when you have everything you need, like detached. Some people have so much and they're still not happy, you know what I mean. And so that's a great place to be. Everything else beyond that is just a bonus.
You know.
That's one thing that I've really come to understand. It's like, Man, when you're in that space that you just spoke of, Man, everything else is just extra, you know, and it's like a like a little added bonus or surprise.
It's like, Man, it's a good place to be.
Yeah, there's when you close your eyes and meditate and you're in the zone. There's there's nothing else out there happening, there's nothing.
You're not absent of anything, your whole.
You don't have to worry about Iran or rezz Rayel or Lebanon or Greenland, or freaking the next plague where it's going to be a bowler or covid or zabowler or zingola or whatever, all these freaking names that put on You don't have to worry about any of that, you know. I've I've pretty much avoided or of that stuff. Everything, I've avoided, all the things that people complain about. I've just it's not my world great because I don't look.
At it that's great. Man.
So many people feel like they have to participate or else, you know what I mean. They have to inject themselves into everything wrong in the world, and it's like, no wonder. So many people have anxiety or depression. You know, you're absorbing everybody's problems.
You don't have to.
Yeah, those are good people, but they also have their own problems. And that's what they're trying to fix outside of them is what they haven't fixed inside of them yet. That's all it is. They'll work it out. We'll all work it out. And the question you said before, asked me before about what are you working on? What's the big thing is that realization is that all the clowns, the ugly people, the beautiful people, the fat people, the
skinny people. They're all just parts of you, you know, And there's there's no need to attack them, and there's no need to, you know, worship them more or adore them. Just love yourself, love yourself first. But but but do it really? You know? Really, do you know?
Absolutely? That's great?
Man? All the greats say the same thing, well, at least all of our favorite greats. Anyway, it's all it's all one, and everything is is you, and you know it. For the longest time, it seemed like a cool belief. But whenever you really start steeping your world and you're all of your understanding and your entire perception into that, I dare I say, fact, I believe to I believe
it to be a fact. And man, the world starts to change and you start to start to look at a lot of the myths and a lot of the religious stories in a very very different way, and a lot of those teachers you start to understand to a deeper level than maybe you ever thought before.
Too.
Yeah, all the great Roomy Shakespeare or whatever you wrote, that it's all in your field. It no one owns any thoughts. None of your thoughts were original. It's all from the one mind of God, which is you, and which comes from you. The Kingdom of God is within. If the Kingdom of God is within, well then it's not without right.
Yes, definitely agree, And you brought up Roomy. Roomy has one of my favorite quotes of all time where he said I tried to find God and all I found was myself. I tried to find myself and all I found was God. And I'm like, oh my God, that is just perfect and it seems so simple.
Yeah. So the Christians have been trained to think that people who say that they are God or that they ignore their godship are demonized. And you can't do that because only God is God. And oh it's it's inconceivably insane that they would just empty themselves of everything divine and glorious and reduce themselves to a worm, just because, just because in the Psalms, King David said, for I am but a worm, Well, that's poetry. It's not literal.
It's poetry. It's like when I said before, I know nothing, Well, that's that's not true, because I know English. I'm talking to you in English, so I do know something. But it's poetry. It's it's it's being real that I don't know everything. I can I can know everything if I tap into the field like anyone. I'm not special, and yet I am special. That we're all special, but you
know what I mean. So they take it literally that we are worms and that we're sinners and we have shame and guilt, and unless we do that, so much service and pay penance and donate money to the church, and give our support to the Northern Baptists because the Southern Baptists are going to Hell, or the Jehovah's Witnesses because not the Mormons, they're going to hell. So you've
got thirty thousand Christian denominations. They're all registered with the Regis Register the King with a five oh one C three registration, which means that they're not doing God doing the governments.
We're on Catholic.
Everyone is Catholic, never no one. There's no Protestant. And if there's anyone that's a Protestant out there and that's reading the Bible and they think that it's a person Bible, talk to me for ten minutes. I'll convince you. Otherwise, everyone is Catholic who has a birth certificate which makes them a person which is a parson, a servant of the truth of the Catholic Church. And if you have a zip code, that zip code is your office, which
is your home office. And what's an office. It's an ecclesiastical institution.
You know.
When you say I've got my little office over there, well you're just talking Catholic. That's a Catholic word, an office. It's not secular. You can't have a secular office. Offices must be registered for tax purposes, which means you are working for the Catholic Church and the inquisition. If you have a zip code on your license, on your wherever it is, that zip code is your own and you're a person. Office in person are ecclesiastical words.
All the more reason not to be of this world.
You know, that's just the.
Way I talk about it. And that's not to say don't read the Bible. I would recommend reading the Bible like as much as possible. It's just such a great book. It's just read it properly and don't let anyone tell you how to interpret it because they'll just destroy everything everything.
And look at them, Look at the people who who have a Look at some of these preachers who bring thousands of people into their churches and they're all they're hypnotized, and Jesus is in their midst and their healing and all of that. These people are nothing but pure hypocritical demons in human flesh. The things they do in secret, not even the perverts who admit they do it, do what they do. These Christians, so called Christians, the things
that they practice in private, you would be disgusted. It's soul a facade, Oh yeah, facade.
Look, if you think that God is outside of you and that you are nothing but a sinner and a crusty old sock that was tossed under your bed, you know, like, if that's what you believe about yourself, then you're probably going to, you know, emulate that. Like if you think that that's what you are, and therefore every time you do something that is deemed a sin or wrong or bad in your eyes, well that's just what you are, you know. Of course I'm gonna do that, That's what
I am. And I hear this all the time that hey, nobody's perfect, there was only ever one that was perfect, and it's like, man, you know, just with that with that way of thinking, of course, I mean, look, i don't think that anybody's necessarily looking for perfection. But you know, if you have a belief, I think that the best way to be able to really embody that belief is by, you know, doing what your belief says to do kind of thing. And I just every time I talk to
somebody who is religious, not every time. I'm sure there's a lot of good people all over the world, but a lot of bad people as well, And every time I hear these kinds of things, I'm just taken back by the idea that God is removed. I'm like, you lost me. You lost me right there. You say that God is everything, but not you. Interesting, that's where God stops.
Yeah, well that I don't even read their own scriptures, Jesus said. Jesus quoted the Psalm where it says, did I not say that you are all gods? Yep, Jesus is quoting the Psalms which say that you are all gods? And he said it himself. And why would Jesus be talking to his disciples and say, don't you call anyone on this earth your teacher, for only one is your teacher, the Christ. Wait a minute, if he's the Christ and Jesus, why wouldn't you say me, only one is your teacher,
me the guy you're looking at right here. See, he just knows me. No. He spoke of the Christ in the third person. It's right there in the Bible. Don't call anyone on this earth your father or your teacher, for only one is your teacher, the Christ, the Christ.
Which you know. And some people say, well, the Christ is the anointing oil. The anointing oil is within everybody. It starts at the base of your spine, and you have to work it up in that way you is it enlightenment? Whenever that that, he still works itself all the way up.
Yeah. See, this is what the teachers, this is what the churches are doing. They're making automatons, not autonomous people. The idea is to be self determined. That's what Jesus. All of Jesus teachings in all of the Gospels, the extra canonical ones as well, even in theo in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He teaches you to be a king and a priest, and you will rule with Christ for a
thousand years as a king and a priest. What does that mean, Well, that you be your own priest, that you ascend yourself, you do the work, you save your ass. You have to wipe your own bumb right, you don't get someone a mom. I'm forty six, but I got a dirty ass. I'm sitting on the toilet. Can you come and wipe my bum? You've got to do all that shit yourself. Everything, you have to do yourself right.
So they're they're making people do soul with this teaching that you're just a worm and God is different to you, and you're not You're very dissimilar, and Christ is the only perfect example, and you will never ever emulate him, and you'll never do good things. Well, that's well, it's just stupidity.
And did Jesus ever say that? Actually, Jesus said that you'll do all these things and then some and.
More exactly, and you will prevail. I take courage. You will conquer the world. I have conquered the world. And what does that mean? To be in the world but not part of it? See, I'm in the world. I'm stuck here. I've got a body. I'm in the world right stuck, but I'm not a part of it. I don't I'm not a part of anything. I don't join. I haven't joined any clubs. I joined the job's wittness. So I was fooled. And I did join a club, even though I left school and I was always been
a rebel. But the only reason for that was because I wanted to serve God. I want to be a servant of divinity. I didn't want to be a mundane, average individual nine to five. I've never done. I've never had a boss, I've never had a job, and i've never paid taxes. Fuck yeah, Ever, that's the way. You're right there, and I don't tend to start doing it.
I never will. I will never have a job. See why do the scriptures say trust in God, he will give you everything, And yet you go to a business and you knock on the door to a man who eats and poos and wipes his ass and dies of a heart attack when he's fifty one, and you beg him for a nine to five where you can make seven dollars fifty an hour. That's not trusting in God. I've trusted in God. I've lived the path that I that everything that I teach, I've lived it. It's authentic.
I'm not I'm not I haven't constructed any of this and made it look like a social media thing. But in the you know, in the background, I've joined a club and you know, and I do this and that that I shouldn't be doing. No, No, I walk, I walk, my talk and so and and so. I've been self employed. I've had my own businesses and a musician and what have you. And why should I tell the government that I made one hundred thousand dollars last year and you can have a part of it. No, I ain't doing that.
It's voluntary.
Yeah, they do want their part too.
They're not going to get a scent of my money to continue genocides and stealing and and keeping our wages, that people's wages down whilst rent and insurance and everything goes up. They're not going to get a centimid.
They never will, no way, especially not whenever they've they've failed, like their seventh audit in a row, which is crazy.
Yeah. I always want their money, but for some reason they're just terrible at it, you know what I mean.
Yeah, God, the priests tell you that God needs money, the governments need money. They all need your money because that's your energy, that's that's how they've tokenized your energy. Right, So you give this a little bit of paper to someone and you get something back. I mean, it's not a it's not a bad thing, you know, but the interest that's on it and all the other attachments is what makes it bad. But there's nothing wrong with using a bit of paper to exchange value at all. But
it's not just a bit of paper. There's there's there's much more attached.
To currency mm hmm, currency energy, yeah, man, And so we.
Just shouldn't buy into it. Just be yourself, be your true true self. If people get offended, let them get offended. You will teach them a lesson because it's their rego that's being offended, it's not their highest self yep.
Which is interesting because they say that, you know, authenticity is the highest vibration that there is, you know, above love, above even enlightenment.
I believe.
I'm not sure it's something crazy like that, though. Authenticity is the highest vibration that you can be in. And I can see that in you for sure. You know, I've been following you for many years now, and I can tell that you are who you say you are, and you practice what you preach and you know, You're just always going to be somebody we look up to. So man, such a blessing to have you here and
to be able to talk to you. I've heard you so many damn times, dude, And just what a fucking wild matrix this turned out to be.
You know, almost feels unreal, you know what I mean, It does a little bit, but I love it.
Yeah. Look, when I was young, I always aspired to what now I call syncretism and the knowledge that I have, I've always aspired to it. I've always I was always dissatisfied with the Jove's witnesses interpretation of the scriptures and anyone else and and every book that I've ever ever read. You know, there's always something that sort of doesn't sit
with me and what have you. And then what happens is if you just just pay attention, just observe you don't believe anything, then then you will sit with what is true because the truth, it's just it stands on its own lies made many other lies to support that lie.
Yeah, you have a lot more energy.
The truth doesn't need anything, doesn't need any support at all, not facts, not evidence, nothing, It just it speaks for itself. And it is itself. The lie is the lie is the thing that keeps people distracted from knowing the truth. And what happens is they construct other lies and stories to reconfirm that with their herd, whoever it is, whether it's their church or whatever. So they talk to each other to confirm their bias and their prejudice and their preconditioned,
preconceived lies, and they call it the truth. So when I was Jehovah's witness, I would say that I was in the truth. Well, that's true, I was. That is a condition. You see, if I say, if I talk about the air, that's air. That means universal air. But if I say the air in this room is stuffy, that's different from air. That's the air. Now now I'm pointing to a certain conditioned air, it's not air anymore,
it's the air. The definite article is one of the best magical spells in all languages, which changes the truth of the meaning. That's why Aboriginals in Australia, for instance, they don't say I'm eating. They will say eating is happening? M you know, like, what are you doing? Oh, I'm I'm meeting a sandwich. No, they will say eating is occurring right because no articles. In fact, there are nine
parts to languages, and articles are one of them. You know, you've got verbs, nouns, pronouns at the adjectives, prepositions, interjections, and articles right now, some languages don't have articles for the very reason to not condition the word.
I wonder if that's also if it's also like not associating your body as yourself. Is there a little bit of that in there potentially, like instead like if you say I'm eating a sandwich, then you're assuming that you are the body and that that's all you are.
I'm just getting weird. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for unawakened people, Yeah, totally.
Go ahead, sir, you got your hand raised.
Yeah.
I've heard a lot of people are talk about how almost a lot a lot of the Native cultures out of that kind of no definite article.
Type deal.
I heard someone talking about, like the Native Americans. They're describing how they don't have a word for like a wave on the water. It's because it whenever you make it a definite article, it essentially brings it out of the now and makes it like they they're just the way that you describe a wave is like that it
is waving, which is like in the current moment. And I think a lot of the why they speak that way is their language keeps their thought process so differently because it keeps them more in the now.
I think, yeah, as opposed to something that did happen, this is.
The thing exactly, it's happening exactly.
Yeah. So I'm not one of these persons that believes that we shouldn't be using certain under certain words like understand. Right. So there's a lot of people who say innerstand and overstand, Well, that's just bullshit. That's that's just that's just that just shows that there's still just woke and they are nowhere near awakened. There's there's nothing wrong with using the definite article,
and there's nothing wrong with the English language. It's just that as long as you are aware that you're doing that, and you don't, you don't have to change anything. Nothing has to be changed, nothing like people insist that we have to change the calendar because it's a man made thing, the Gregorian calendar, and it's wrong. It's not wrong because it's it's piggybacking on the ecliptic. The ecliptic is nature's cycle.
Spring always turns up in March, summer always turns up in June, the fall always in September, and now we're in the winter in Capricorn in January, and that never changes. So it doesn't matter whether it's the Gregorian calendar or the Julian calendar, or the Anno Domini calendar or the Chinese calendary. It doesn't matter what men put on the ecliptic at all, at all. That's why astrologers are always at an advantage to people who don't know the science
of the Word of God, which is astrology. They are at a disadvantage because they they're wearing watches. I don't know why people wear watches. I mean, and rollex Ones is like, look at me, I've got a cold watch. I'm a real slave of time.
Paid ten grand to look at the time. You know, It's like why.
And you've got these guys like, for an example, Floyd Mayweather money money Mayweather, Right, he's got this whole thing of Rollicks watches. But you could have saved you could have saved thousands and thousands of homeless people with one of those watches and put them in a small home, brought them an RV or something like that. But those watches, you can't wear them every day and enjoy them every day. They're just sitting there, not all of them. It's it's
just it's utter. It just shows their immaturity and their stupidity. Sure they've got talents, you could fight well and everything and everything, but that means nothing in the scheme of things. In the scheme of things, it's not what you have, it's who you are what you are.
Speaking of matter, speaking of astrology, I kind of want to get your thoughts on this. Do you do you apply your astrological understandings to the tropical or the sidereal and do you think that one is more efficient and more correct than the other?
The tropical system is the true system side direal. See people think that the constellations are the signs of the zodiac. No, they are not. The signs are not the constellations. The signs are on the ecliptic, and they are thirty degrees each along three. Every wave is three hundred and sixty degrees, and every wave is divided into twelve. Everything in the universe is a twelveness. Everything sieial astrology because of a slight shift in the positions of the stars. They believe
that it's the stars that are influencing that month. It's not the stars.
With the procession of the equinomic.
Yeah, everything is on the ecliptic. The people who that's why the Bible says that you who worship the stars, you were fools. You who go by the stars. You don't go by the stars, you go by the ecliptic. That's why in Job thirty eight thirty two, God says to Job do you know the Mazaroth, he wasn't talking about the constellations at all, he was talking about the ecliptic.
Oh, that makes I never heard it put that way. That makes a lot more sense.
So the signs are not the constellations. They are totally two different things. So this idealists are following the constellations and they're being totally misled. Tropical astrology, which is constant and never changing, is the only true system period. Wow.
All right, I'm good with that because we've been kind of like this has been kind of a thing. We don't know which one is what, and you know, we heard this idea, like you said, it's kind of like more of as of how everything is right now, and so we're like, well, that would have to be the more accurate one, you know, that's kind of the thing that we would think.
But just hearing what you said, we're going with that. We're back on the track. We're locked in. Yeah, we're back in.
All right, I'm a tourius again. We're good, right, yeah.
Well, well, don't take it from me, take it from all the great ancient astrologers, not the New Age ones. Nothing in the last one hundred years or so. I forget about them. They're all they're all lost. The books that I've read, Marcus Manilius, Firmus, Maternis, Vettius Balance, Claudius Ptolemy, these are all two three thousand years old astrologers, right, the Babylonian, Chaldea and Persians. I've read all the I'll be rooney, all the Persian astrologers and all of those guys.
They're all tropical. There's only one country that uses sideal, and that's India. And that's because they're stupid, because they were conquered by the Jesuits with their global their global agenda. So what happens is sidereal now can only be associated with a globe. Right, whereas tropical astrology is geocentric, it always has been and it always will be. And there's no such thing as heliocentric astrology, and there's no such thing as a globe. Therefore you cannot you cannot use
astrology for anything. Yes, they do have accuracy, but that's the reason why is because the planets will be in the same houses. So if if in tropical your son is in the first house, it will be insidereal as well, in the same house. The houses do not change. That's where they get their accuracy. So people think, oh, well, I've got a reading from a sideal astrologer, and he said, my Mars is in the third house, and that's going to cause problems with my brother brothers and sisters because
it's squaring with satin in cancer in the seventh house. Therefore, I'm going to have a month of trouble with my brothers and lo and behold that happens. That's because they're going by the houses. They're not going by the signs. They've got the wrong signs totally. And I've done videos. I'll just show you at one minute, I'll show you.
He's going, he's going, you.
Can get this book now, I do medical astrology. If you try medical astrology with sidereal, you'll kill people. Oh yeah, they will die because there's no such thing as medical astrology in sidereal. It's only tropical, and it's only perfectly accurate in tropical. Now, let's have a look at all the signs. Shall we.
Ares, Iron, Mars, angular energy, Taurus, copper energy, Venusian, different, look all together.
You can only do this in tropical. When I pick people signs, even Indian people who who are out and out siderealists, I say you're Libra, You're a Libren. I can see it, and the like no, no, no, I'm Burgo. Yeah, well yeah you're librin because I can see the features.
Actually, so if you would have get if you were to get this book and just study all the features and how to identify the signs, you will neverver.
Go ideal astrology because you'll get everything wrong. Everything. Look at the geminis, two faced, skewed facial features. There's nothing symmetrical at all in their faces. Famn cancer. You can see the moon, the round heads, the moon energy.
Lunatics, William, look.
At the felines, Leah you've got jaguars, you've got lions.
That one.
You've got the square. You've got the square block heads, whereas the arians are long heads like mine. Arians. Long head. It's not a block it's not a blockhead. That one was creepy, Virgo. You can't do this with zaidea. Look at the libren perfect everything's horizontal, eyebrows, vertical dimples, round, perfectly round heads.
Libra, it's in the skull sheep.
Even look the serious Scorpio Mars warlike hawk looking people. They look like hawks. They've all got beaks. Look at the beaks, the bird beak.
Oh yeah, you can't miss Owen Wilson right there, that bad right.
Have a look at the happy Sagittarians ruled by Jupiter. Horse teeth, beautiful horse teeth. Big dome, big dome heads. Anyone you see with a dome like that on their head, that's the that's the horse Capricorns. Go back to serious. Look at the goats. If you can't see a goat here, guys, you need to change your glasses. If you can't see goats there, you're not looking.
Denzel is the goat. I agree with that.
Various big heads and all the eyes, nose and everything. It's all in a small space. Everything Satin. Satin rules Aquarius, so everyone that's ruled by Saturn. Their facial features are compacted the Jubiterarians like Pisces and Sagittarius. The eyes are wide like the fish eyes, and like the horse eyes. They're at the side. You see, you see their faces are more spread out wide.
Oh that God is peripheral.
If you can't see the dreamy fish here, you ain't.
Steve Irwin.
Yes, it's it's tropical. It's tropical rules everything. And rest assured. I've done thousands of medical astrology readings and picked whether the person has liver problems, kidney problems, eyesight problems, headaches all the time, all the time.
On real coming with the receipts. It just makes a lot of sense now wow, all right.
Yeah, So if you, if you, if you study my presentations, especially on my channel where I have a whiteboard and I do the ecliptic all the time, always do the ecliptic, I'll just show you how I do. I'll just show you example.
This is what I hoped it would be. Let's go.
Yeah, so you got the whiteboard, dude, Yes, so for.
Instance, let's turn that big TV screen off and that will get the reflection up. Yeah. There, well, I don't think. Just be with me.
You know, he's old school busting out the old whiteboard.
D dude, that's better. Okay.
So always a tom and and I dun is one two three four, which equals one and so do all these words DNA adam dan man man equals one h Right. So this is this is red shift, blue shift, and the green heart charkra. So if your body, your head was here, you would have a violet indigo, blue throat chakra, green heart charkra.
The core the hyperbola. You can see the hourglass the hyperbola. Can you see that?
Yep?
Right, that's in the middle. That's the inverse of the taurrest field, and the taurust field is the inverse of the hyperbola. You can't talk about taurust fields without talking about the hyperbola. So what I do always is the ecliptic, starting at the spring equinox March twenty fie up to the tropic of cancer June twenty first, down to September twenty third, the autumnal equinox, and then go down to the twenty first of December, which is the winter solstice.
And that makes the tourist field. And that's the ecliptic, and that's the tropical system and it will never change. And this is all this o Tom, Everything, everything you need to know is in this turist field. There are only three words tom at Tom, tourm and bowl bol for the hyperboler this bowl here see that, well, there's those are the three trinity words of all other words.
Everything comes from those words. Everything, every thought, every sea, thing in the universe, everything bana comes from those three words tom or tom, bull and tall.
My god, this is too much.
I love it. I love all of it. I just I love that you man, You've just been at it for so long and you're so sure and I'm I'm not even one hundred percent sure that I get it, but I just trust you right now. And then I'm going to do a little bit more research so that way I don't have to rely on you, know, your research. I can eventually get it myself.
Yeah, and you will, because I don't teach in a complicated way. I just teach in a very plain, simple way. And and I and I'll show it and there's there's nothing that I can say that is wrong, because the moment I say something that is wrong, the whole, all the thesis, the whole thing collapses. Like a Swiss watchmaker, if he misses one little spring or cog or wheel or gear in his watch, it won't watch. So he can't. He can't stuff it up. You can't. You can't screw
screw that up. What I did on that board there, all of that is perfect. It's one hundred tent perfect. Because if one letter is out, or one number or one fact is out, everything collapses and nothing collapses. It all comes back to the one the tourist field. So does does.
This apply to all physical reality or all existence that has ever existed?
Every single thought, every single mount and river, stream, creation, timeline, everything is a tom, all a tom. This is the Egyptian Bible, the Hermitica, right, that's if you read the corpus Hermdican. After every sentence bah all is a tom, next sentence, all the tom. Why do they end every single sentence is ad nauseum with all his atum? Why was that their maxim? Why was that their motif? Since thousands? That's it, that's the book thousands and thousands of years.
Why did the Greeks say everything is atoms? Why did the Hindu hin hint, the Hindus say that all his om atom?
Why here in Mexico, this little old lady.
Here, why is she called originally ton Nansen? Tom? Didn't I just say that everything is aton, always aton or atom or Adam? Even the Bible says everything comes from Adam, the father of all is Adam. Because everything is atoms. We have an anatomy, for goodness sakes.
And people say it literally like it's a bloodline.
I'm looking at you, guys. All I'm saying is atoms, because you are an atomy and you have a torso, which is a taurus field.
That's your torso, which it does make sense then that that that that Christos would rise up the taurus field, then rise up the torso like that, because the taurus field or the torso would essentially be the like the the highway or the alley that the Cristos travels through. Or am I crazy?
No? Yeah? It's christ is light, right, It's it's light, but it's light that is resting light. So it's the blue shift part. The red shift is satan see they're both one and the same. It's the demiurge. Jesus is the devil that in other words, it is both good and evil. That's why when you look at when you when you look at pictures of Jesus of the Sacred Heart, well you always see red shift blue shift. It's always it's always red and blue, and it's coming out of
it's coming out of white. And see the black horns, the horns, those those are the horns of the taurust. So it's showing you that black and white light produces the effect of red shift blue shift, which centers in green. That's why when you go and get your printers cartridges, you asked for ah GB red, green, blue, because that's it. Those are the need colors. That's the trinity colors of creation.
Yeah, this just reminds me of a Bible versus Isaiah chapter forty five, verse seven, where it's I believe it's God saying this, He goes, I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
Yeah, that's Jesus. Yeah, it's Jesus is the devil.
Let's go.
Yeah, it makes the most amount of sense especially when you talk about red shift and blue shift. So blue shifting would be getting like kind of getting into your Christ.
Well, it's see the blue part of red shift blue shift is gravitation, the red part is radiation. Thank you, Walter Russell. Walter Russell said, there's only two things happening in the universe, gravitation and radiation. Radiation is red color, gravitation is blue. So Schallberger, for instance, he said, why are we using hot red shift energy electricity to run our motors when I can make a motor that generates
free energy on the implosive blue gravitational energy. It's a billion times more powerful than radiation.
And more efficient.
Yeah. Shall burger Steinmetz Tesla that Tesla said, I know of a wave that no other scientists have ever spoken about. Well, he's talking about the standing wave, the longitudinal wave. So we have two kinds of waves. Magnetism, which is pure white light, does not vibrate. There's no vibration in white light.
There's no transverse component to it. But as soon as white light splits in the prison, all those colors that come out on the other side, they're all transverse waves, which means they have a decay factor built into them, and that they are temporal. So when people say, oh, yeah, this world is not real, well it is, but it's temporal, so they should qualify what they're saying. It's not real because it's not. It's ephemeral, fleeting and transient.
But it is real, right, just temporary.
Yeah, it's temporary because of the decay factor. It's like when you're in town and you're listening to your favorite radio station, but you live sixty miles out of town, right, You're driving on the highway, you've got all your shopping, you're listening to your favorite radio station, and then all of a sudden, it starts crackling because you're far away.
From the.
The from the sword of the radio station's antenna, and then eventually you don't hear anything because that's the transverse wave. It decays, It proves it. It shows that, that shows that the life of the wave only extends and then dies, like the life of a human being. Because this stuff you're looking at, it's all transverse waves. The only standing wave that is in my body is in my heart. The heart pulses. So when you throw a stone into a pond, a still pond you see the radial waves
coming out, that's a longitudinal wave. It grows bigger. There is no suffering, there is no corruption in the scala standing. Whatever you want to call it, longitudinal wave, does it matters not. It's the transverse wave which makes red shift blue shift. And that's why we've got red pill, blue pill, red blood, blue blood, red siren, blue siren, red tap for hot blue, cold blue for cold, Roses of red, violets of blue, Republicans of red, Democrats of blue. That's
all about polarity conphaps. M hmm, yeah, red and white, yin and yang. So there's only two yin and yangs. There's a black and white one and the subset red and blue. So for instance, if you look at the Korean flag, it's funny that the itch has gone away now and it's it's uh, I'm thankful, but there's now white in the seven dwarves o man, and that's the only other the Korean flag and the Pepsi logo. So you see that, see those four symbols there, earth, fire, air,
and water. This is the demiurge, This is the devil, and this is Jesus. That both the one that both one and the same person. That's the scripture you quoted. I'm God. I'm the one that gives you good and I give you evil. I've created all these things. Oh but no, but God is only good. No, the Demiurge is not only good. He is good and evil.
Yeah, like eaching the.
Boris Yeah, that's.
The Yeah, that's yeah. So let me see if I can get this right. Fire would be I think that's fire. That that's Earth, definitely, because it's six. That's the only one that has six, that has three, that's four, and that's say five, So you've got three, four, five, six, Can you see that?
Right?
So what they're showing you is science. This is the science of transverse waves electricity. This is a subset inferior to the black and white yin and yang. Wow, the black and white yin and yang stands on top of this. It is the monad. This is the diad, the Demiurge. This is the world of illusion, dreams, maya, maya, everything red and blue red shift, blue shift. Those two colors are responsible for everything hybrid in this world, the simulation.
Because electricity, the electrical world, is a hybrid. Magnetism is not It is a pure force. Electricity is not a pure force. Electricity is nothing without magnetism.
Even those three D glasses remember those when we were a kid, the red and blue.
He's gonna come back. I'm willing.
It created this wonderful electrical grid which harms us, and we have.
To pay for it.
Yeah, seriously, it's electricity is your enemy.
Electricity is it's beautiful, it makes flowers and everything like that, but it all decays. It's all temporal. The electrical world is fleeting, it comes and goes. The magnetic world is always there and stable.
It constant.
It's yeah, constant.
Well, so we're would you say that we are electromagnetic beings then?
Right?
As humans? So what does that mean for you know, our spirit or our soul, our essence whenever, whenever that it starts to expire. You know, I'm sure you've thought a lot about this, and it's usually a driving factor for people who are trying to understand the nature of reality and themselves and everything. But what do you know to be true as far as the moment that we take our last breath, like what happens directly next.
Well, you go back to yourself, You go back to the scripture say you go back to God, but it's you. So you go back to yourself with all the lessons learned and all the improvements. If you haven't improved, then you will take that to the other side and you will have to have another experience in a place like this, maybe somewhere else, or maybe here on the Earth, or maybe way way, way way beyond Antarctic, or who knows where we originally come from, because we're no one here.
Of the humans are from this container, which supposedly only has seven continents, and what have you. We know there are like many, many many mores that they're hiding. We know that there's plenty of evidence on the Internet's it's all. It's a no brainer. It's a done deal, done and dusted. So we know that there's lies everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. So I believe, I don't know, but I believe that we our original homes are from beyond Antarctica. You know.
It's funny that reminds me of So we just did like a like the esoteric overview of the Truman Show movie with Jim Carrey and whenever he was a little kid, you know, because they're trying to keep him trapped on the on the island of Seahn, and his teacher asked him, like, what do you want to be whenever you get older? And he goes, I want to be an ex explorer And the teacher goes, oh, they already explored it all.
You can't do that, it's just crazy. Uh yeah, man, So yeah, I've actually I've thought a lot about that as well. That you go back into yourself, it makes It's the only thing that makes sense, you know. And as far as where you come back, if you if you have to come back, or if you choose to come back or anything. Man, I think that, like, our dreams are kind of a window into that. I don't know if our dreams are memories of past lives or concurrent lives or or what. But what are your thoughts
on dreams? Do you think that they're kind of a window into some other place that we've explored at a past time or is that happening now?
You think that that's stuff you are? You are doing in a in a spiritual place. That's why your body has to be sleeping and still and unconscious, right. Well, your heart's still beating, right, your eyes are not looking or seeing m but all the vital organs are still going,
which means your brain's still going. So what you're doing is you're just going going through, you know, the wall of your conditioned consciousness, and you're remembering or experiencing things on the what's it called the different timelines that are stacked up on each other, right, So you just jump from here to here, like, yeah, it's not in the future, it's not in the past. It's always it's always in
the now. It's the only thing that exists. And in the end, if everything outside of you is destroyed, you'll find that whatever's left when everything is destroyed is you. You'll be the You'll be the last thing standing. There will always be only you at the end. You you will you will meet yourself at the end of everything. Always. You will always be there. You never have not existed.
You get there and you're like, I knew it. Why did I doubt it? For something? It was really in that illusion, you know, really buying it.
Yeah, yeah, so, and and these are things that every single ancient school taught because they wrote those things for when the change in consciousness would would lower our consciousness and we would we would become forgetful, but if we go back to the scriptures, we can remember that, we can remember that higher part of ourselves. That's why the scriptures are very important, especially the old all the ancient scriptures. Whether it's the Qur'an or whether it's Bagavad Gita, the
Zenda Vesta, it matters not. They're all telling the same story, regard regardless of which buffoon tries to tell you that they're from the devil and they're different to the Bible and what have you. Regardless of that, we know not to listen to these fools. They're they're stuck in their own opinions. These are opinion opinionated people. They're not knowers.
Well, they're believers, and you know, you can't spell belief without lie.
So there's that.
Yeah, so that's that's it's unfortun But at the same time, you can rejoice that they're sleeping and you're not, because they're suffering in place of you. Why should you be upset that Larry think Is or the Pallenteer Guys or Black Rock or Vanguard. I've got all the money, and you know they've got all the ferraris and mansions and everything like that. When they're they're essentially they're living in
a materialistic conditioned hell. They're conditioning themselves more and more, and they're going to that state probably forever on your behalf. So thank Larry Think for being an asshole.
Thank you Larry Think.
Yeah, thank you. Thank you Bill Gates for being a demon doing the Lord's work, because you're the one that kind of suffer the consequences and I'm not thank you for doing all that bad shit and taking it off my shoulders.
Hey, you know, interesting way to look at it.
There's a way to love everybody and appreciate everybody, and that's one way of looking at it.
So I appreciate that.
You know.
One thing that I kind of get hung up on though, So if whenever we die we go back into ourselves, what about everybody else? I mean, I know that everybody and everything is is kind of just a projection of our reality. So let's say, you know, I don't know me and Sean. You know, we appear to be obviously
two different people, but it's all one thing. So whenever he dies and he goes back into himself, is he like a universe himself and I'm a separate universe, or he's a God and I'm a separate God, or it's all one thing, just compressed in through different perspectives. What are your thoughts on that?
Well, he's the most important thing that you learn. At the end of your initiation in Egypt or India or whatever in the past. The last thing you learn is that you are inconceivably God with difference. You cannot conceive that you are God, but you are with difference. So Sean, yeah, yeah, Sean, and Jonathan right, so you're too. You're two separated, spaced out individuals, but you are inconceivably God with difference. So you will always always be connected to the Source and
the Source, but with difference. That's the that's the highest. Those five words are the highest teaching that you can ever master and learn.
And know, you are blowing my mind right now.
I love it, Santos. I honestly, I kind of wish that we could just keep you on here all night because the itching seems to have gone away. Maybe we're just the cure for you. You just talk to us for the rest of your life. That sounds sounds like fun maybe, but for us.
It's a crazy thing how it just comes and goes it's it's annoying. But if I had to pick a torture or a handicap or anything like that, I'd pick the itching'd because some people are in wheelchairs, some people are blind, some people are deaf. Some people have got diabetes, lung cancer. I don't have it. I've never had a disease. I don't know what diseases are. I've never paid for health insurance. Geez, you've got to be an idiot.
Oy.
That sounds so expensive. Why why would you have health insurance? Just keep yourself healthy? All right? So if I get sick, sick, I fix it. I do it. I don't go to a man or a woman or someone else. Yeah, that can help. There's nothing wrong wrong with doing that. But you have the ability to heal yourself. It's it's a known thing since forever.
One hundred percent agree on that. Yeah, that's uh.
I definitely don't pay for no fucking health insurance. For one, it's too damn expensive, and for two, it doesn't even cover everything, you know what I mean? Like, if I get sick, I want you know, I got health insurance. That should that should pay for it. But no, it's just like, well, you know, you get a discount like no if he's the fucking purpose of it all to me, you know. But look, this has been such an amazing
conversation everything that I hoped it would be. Thank you so much for coming to hang out with us, such such an honor. So you know, we do want to say you are absolutely always welcome back here anytime you want reach out to us, and we would love to do it again sometime.
Can I finish with sharing an image with you about a tom please? And then and then that'll that'll do it. So I'm sending a request to share my screen yes, sir, go ahead, all right. So this is for all the viewers to screenshot, because once you master this, ain't nobody going to fool you ever. Again.
Did you share it yet?
Yeah, I'm sharing. You can't see it?
Oh I don't see it?
All right, let's go again.
Oh there we go?
All right, all right, that's for people to screen share. Let's give it to that the.
Eynes off. Okay, so this is the cabbalistic tree.
Well, have a look at this, the primordial atom. Okay, well, monad adam. You see the word adam there, atom adam, They're same same thing. Right, So einsoft means the unlimited God, the boundless. This is the boundless ether. And then there's the first atom, the first logos. And then what happens is here that this white light it fractures into seven, the seven sons the faux hat, which means the force. So this is the source up here and this is
the force. And then they have forty nine. It's called the forty nine fires, which is seven times seven, right. And then at the it says it shows descent spirit into matter, all things from one. If you remember that all things are interconnected and all things are one, you'll be the happiest person in any circumstance you find yourself. So please screenshot this and meditate on it. It's probably the best thing I can share with you.
Perfect. Thank you man.
That makes so much sense, all things from one, of the descent of spirit to matter in the matter. Wow, it just makes it just checks so many, so many boxes to me. You know, we recently had one of our one of our best friends just die about a month or so ago, and actually I think it's a month today. Died and his name was Optimistic Banks. And this is the core thing that he always came and tried to talk to us about was, you know, just oneness and how to be able to integrate that into
your life, into every moment of your life. And it's definitely helped us understand the nature of this reality, nature of ourselves.
A lot more.
And uh, you're kind of just hammering that home. So I appreciate that.
Oh dude, it absolutely makes everything feel so much better, you know what I mean. Like, obstacles aren't really obstacles. You look at them and you're like, oh, okay, Like if someone's treating you like shit, oh, that's just another version of myself that's kind of having a bad go at it right now, you know what I mean. It just gives you more of that empathy and just patience with God's with difference, right.
Yeah, Just observe, don't judge. As soon as you make a judgment, you put an obstacle in your path and you restrict your mind. It doesn't expand just watch, just observe, observe, pay attention. You don't have to be a genius, do syncretism. You don't have to be a genius at all for anything at all, whatsoever, at all. All you have to do is pay attention.
This has been awesome, dude.
I really appreciate you coming in and teaching us all this stuff, man, because you know some of it. We knew most of it we didn't, man, and I just really appreciate that you took the time to teach us all that man.
That's great, awesome, thanks, gris great hanging out with you. We can do it again, so I know there's going to be a lot of people once, so I can have a copy of this for my channel, right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, oh great. Yeah, a lot of people will see it and say, hey, I've been lining up for years to
get an interview. Really good, Please don't do that to me, anyone that's out there that's been trying to interview me, because this is the only time in fifteen years been a syncretist that I've actually been accepted an interview whilst itching. Because I don't want to show that to the world. I don't want to that, man, I don't want to show that part of myself. Everyone's suffering. Everyone has their own things, right, I've always kept that apart. Yes, I've
made three or four videos. They're on my channel. You can see it. Just go to mister astrotheology and put the word itch and you'll see me. You'll see how I itch and what it does to me makes me convulse. In fact, at the start of the show, you would see me doing this a lot. I was, I was doing this. My head was it's convulsions. Wow, well that's that's that's not happening anymore. Well, it's mild itching. Now.
We appreciate that, man.
I mean, this is the only only interview I've ever done, and I don't want to do it again. So all those people that I've that I've told, in fact, you approached me three or four months ago and I said, look, give it, let's wait till the new year, because and luckily because if it had if we had done this a month ago and bedridden mm hmm.
Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you taking the time, and I really do. It means a lot.
You know.
It's not that I don't want to do interviews. It's just that I've had to cancel so many because the east just turns up because of the anxiety and the stress of having to do an interview and what have you and getting prepared or whatever, and then I'll blow it and then and then they get upset because I canceled. I have to because I don't want to. I don't want to be doing this while I'm talking to people.
Let's just put people off. It's going to distract them from what I'm saying because they're looking at me scratching myself like a monkey, and it's not a good look.
Well, you did great tonight, and it was awesome, you know, being able to just sit here and absorb everything that you got to say. And if anybody has any problem with your damn itching, they're not worth your time anyway. So I wouldn't even worry about being judged or people looking at you any kind of weird way because of it. Everybody has their shit that they got to work through, and I don't care about that at all. I'm just here to learn from you.
Yeah, thanks, brother, I appreciate you guys being open minded and relaxed and chilled.
And yeah, absolutely, man. Well, look for anybody that hasn't heard of you, which I can't imagine anybody listening to our show has never heard of you. But where can they find your channel? And everything like that?
Sir so on YouTube? It's called mister astro Theology and please go to the one that's got three hundred thousand subscribers, not the one that's got thirteen thousand. Because that guy then that took my channel down two years ago. I got it back. But the day they took my channel down, I had over three hundred thousand subscribers. This guy turns up with mister Astrothea. So people are going there, going there, and they're thinking that my big channel's gone. No, it's there.
Mister Astrotheology with three hundred thousand subscribers is there. But I'm teaching on school and Patreon. Patreon's free. You can join my Patreon mister Astrotheology, and every Tuesday I do a two hour lecture. In fact, that the board that you just saw that was the lecture that I did yesterday. Tomorrow I'll be doing school. But school is paid. It's nine dollars a month because on school I won't get censored like I do on Patreon or every other platform.
School is completely completely private. I can say whatever I want. In fact, I've got guests there that have taught how to get out of the straw man name, and how to make a trust, and how to get the hell out of this system before digital idea. So if you want to join my school, you go back to Tanya's. It was about two months ago a lady called Tanya's video.
She'll teach you exactly how to get out of the cartoon, miss the Santo Bonacci name, and just get the hell out of paying taxes, get the hell out of jobs, and be wealthy. And I can't do that on public platforms. In fact, two years ago, I decided I'm not going to do astro theology for the public. I'm just going to do it on Patreon and on school privately. Just it's not for the world. You know, I can do
other things for the world. I can teach about other things, but when it comes to the science, sacred science of astrology and stuff like that, I'm doing it all in the private and it's free. You don't have to pay for patreons.
Free.
Hey, looks man, that's why it's not for the masses. And I believe personally that that's why mystery schools and you know, uh, secret societies and all that stuff were formed in the first place, was because the mass is you know, it's not for everybody. And not to say that anybody here is more special than anybody else. But you know, we we we take to truth, I guess more so than a lot of other people. So that's why you're here in mind.
Yeah, yeah, well it's it's special knowledge, and I want to I want to give it to special people who are serious and devoted and will find where I am. The people who haven't found where I am is probably people who are distracted and don't need it right now, but eventually they will. Eventually, Syncretism will be the only system in the universe. As it was, it was called the perennial philosophy. It still is perennial, meaning forever, and
another way of calling it is secretism. And it will it will absolutely make redundant Judaism, Christianity and everything that can still exist, but that will be called syncretism because Judaism is exclusive, Christianity is exclusive. If you're not a Jehovah's witness, you're going to hell. Islam is exclusive, Hindus exclusive. Syncretism is not. It's the only inclusive, all inclusive system that exists.
Because it exists, it's eglectic. I like it, that's right, yes, yes, Well, Look, every single episode we do a single tarot card pull and Sean usually pulls them. And that's what we're gonna end it on. We're going to end it on a bank. So Sean, what card was that, sir?
We got the Six of Cups, all right? And if you see the red and blue, I don't know. That was just one thing that I noticed just right off the bat, you know.
Oh that's good.
That's a good one, that one, all right.
So we like to read from this book just for the synchronicities and whatnot. But the Six of Cups, a loving exchange of support and care, feels like home after a period of grief for hardship. You've crossed the bridge into the harmonious energy of the Six of Cups card. A young boy and girl dressed up like storybook characters, appear to be playing in the main square of a sunny yellow town. The boy hands a cup with a
flower with a white flower to the little girl. The two are surrounded by white flower filled cups, symbolic of innocence. The children, they're silly costumes and the mood of playful innocence all evoke childhood memories and a desire to spend time where you grew up. There is a figure in the background carrying a spear who seems to protect the children while they play. They are safe and free of worry. Wow, that actually reminds me a lot of Dude talking about
whenever you die, you go back into yourself. That's going back home, you know. That's kind of what it reminds me of.
I don't know if anybody else thought that crazy.
Well, every cup is only one half of the hyperbola. There you go, the Holy Chalice, the Holy Grail. It's the high perbole. Everything is the hyperbole. Everything atoms are hyperboles. The Sun is a hyperbole. It's a portal, a wormhole. When you look at it, you can see through it and you have to go through it to get back to cause that's why Jesus says, no one goes back to the Father except through me, and that's the Sun. The moon, on the other hand, reincarnates us back into
the loop. The Sun is the savior. The sun is the savior. The moon is not the savior. The moon is the portal for demons to come back in here. That's why we have deities of the Moon, demons. That's why we have mon star moon stars, monsters, monkeys. People are monkeys. The moon is the monitor, the moon Taurus, oh man, monitoring us. The moon is not This is poetic speak, it's not literal. The moon is not your friend.
The sun is.
The Sun is the savior.
Well, you will go.
You will go through the sun one day, like you went through your mother's womb portal vagina matrix. Yeah, you go back through the sun. You will. You'll see you're going through that that wormhole and it's cold, it's not hot.
Let's go. You are the man.
I can't believe we're even having this conversation. Thank you so much for coming to hang out with us. We're gonna put all your links down in the show notes below for anybody who wants to be able to go and follow you over there and we'll we'll definitely send you the link of everything. We definitely appreciate you sharing it on your channel as well, So Sean, any final words for you, sir.
Oh dude, Oh dude, this was just awesome.
Dude.
Like I said before, it doesn't even make sense that we were able to make this happen, but I'm glad we did. Man, I'm glad that you took the time to break it down for us, you know what I mean, Because we're still babies when it comes to all this, we're really trying to understand it and you know, figure it all out. So I really appreciate you took the time.
Thanks man.
Yes, yes, Well look, if you want to be a part of this conversation next week and every other Wednesday after that, come over to patreon dot com slash metamistics. That link is down the show notes below. You can sign up for the Wonder Wednesday Tier that'll give you access to come and hang out every Wednesday live for the shows, whether we have a guest or just a cool topic. Usually we have amazing guests, and this was one of the most amazing guests we've ever had, so
it's been amazing. So yeah, come and check out Patreon. But look, we're gonna get over to that meditation. We have one more thing that we want to say though. If sands up or not, you came here and he's on you anything, it's that you don't know what you.
Don't know, so it don't just get weird, stay weird.
Imagine what would it happen if we had and attracted the magic we had back when we couldn't fathom life is a fantasy, not with the.
Fan, indeed not the way it was back then.
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