Meta Mysteries| The Orphic Egg

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You did these things, but now you're in a human body.

You forget the power you have.

What you do is what the whole universe is doing at the place you call here, and now you are something the whole universe is doing, in the same way that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

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Sean.

We are getting into the orphic egg. I'm actually surprised we haven't talked about this yet.

Well, I mean, I think you have mentioned it before, but I know nothing about this thing. You know, you look at it and it's like, okay, I think I might have seen this thing before, you know, and just in passing. But I'm really interested just to kind of see the meaning and what it all holds.

Yeah, yeah, dude, it's actually deeply symbolic. And that's what we're gonna be getting around today. This is like mystery school shit. Just so everybody knows. And that's what I've been We've been trying to do a lot more like mystery school kind of things and understanding the ideology, understanding the philosophy, understanding the gnostic understanding, and the deeper meaning entrenched within literature and symbolism and stuff like that, and really trying to become ourselves initiated.

You know, well, I think ultimately that's what it is. Really, it's a story of us, you know, and if nothing else, even though you know the meaning of certain things maybe back then wasn't exactly accurate, it's still interesting to see kind of where we've come from, and you know, the certain things that were revered back in the day.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I just love these these deeper realms of thought that people go into. Dude, imagine like back in the day. And you know what, I just had this thought recently. I was like, man, how awesome would it have been to been like an ancient like Greek philosopher or something like that, and that's just what you do all day, you just philosophize. And I was like, well, I mean, wait a second, that's that's what you do. That's what we're doing right now.

There are certain days, man, where I mean most days probably, but there are certain days where I'll be at work and you know, I'm doing my job, but a lot of it doesn't take like a whole lot of my my brain. You know, I can do it with my eyes closed at this point. And so all day long, that's all I want to think about, is to the deeper shit. And when people want to have a conversation

And don't get me wrong, I love football too, But ninety nine percent of my day, whenever I go into deep thought, it is trying to crack the code of what are we doing here? What is the meaning of all this? And yeah, you know, uncovering a lot of the ancient people like what they used to theorize and philosophize and try and come to somewhat of an understanding.

I think I'm almost certain that we can at least understand fifty percent more than we did when we tried.

Back in the day. For sure.

Yeah, I mean I think we did an okay job, you know, up until the point that we got and once we got to a certain point, it was like okay, but we clearly just weren't ready yet.

Right right, and and and so I was flipping through the pages and I was thinking, oh, that's cool. There's one on like sacred minerals and other sacred geometry and stuff like that. And then I saw something that was the orphic egg, and I was like, I've seen this symbol before. I've heard I've heard of it, I've read about it, but I don't really know the deeply entrenched symbolism because and for anybody doesn't know it is it is an egg that has a snake wrapped around it.

Or even the staff.

I mean, I know this isn't the same symbol, but the staff with the serpent wrapped around in it, there's something really deeply entrench with that, the concept of this serpent wrapping around something. But the orthic egg in general, I mean, it's gonna be interesting.

Well, it's the I mean, that staff is the caduces, and that's the medical caduces really and and so there's always seems to be some kind of snake and I'm like, you know, we've done I think we've touched on snake symbolism and stuff like that. Today it's I think it's going to bring it full circle as far as what the snake could symbolize across all different snake symbolism, but especially within the orphic egg snake symbolism as well. And it's, dude, it's going to get you excited in your toonies.

Okay, all right, man, I'm filling the tingle already.

Take us there, man, all right, So imagine, before the universe existed, there was silence, no stars, no planets, no light, only darkness and infinite potential. Out of this void floated a single shining egg, the container of all that ever was and all that ever would be. When it cracked,

Oh oh man, annoy you.

Okay, So before we do that, I want to show the actual picture in the book. And I took a picture. This is my own picture right here that I took of the book of the Cosmic Egg, out of the secret teaching and uh and it just says it right here, And this is going to make you excited, all right.

Right?

Okay, it says, at the time of initiation, the shell is broken and man emerges from the embryotic state of physical existence, wherein he had remained through the fetal period of philosophic regeneration, selfic regeneration. All right, all right, this is a like a reborn kind of situation going on here. That essentially what they're saying here with this, at least, what the orphix used to say is that until that snake wraps itself so hard around the egg, that is you,

Or could it be even not even just understanding it, but just looking into it and really trying to figure it out.

You know what I mean.

You're not within the egg stuck in your way, stuck in how you think things are.

And then when it cracks and you come.

Out, now you're starting to really look into how things really are, you know, yes, I mean just my interpretation for example.

And and just to take this a little bit farther as far as the here let me stop sharing now real quick, as far as the uh what was it called? The shit? Well, I just had a thought and I totally lost it. Oh I'm sorry. Here we go, So as far as the even like the Freemasons, for example, okay, okay, so you have thirty three degrees of freemasonry, not all

Or thirty four. That's kind of like of debate, I think, But anyway.

Yeah, maybe thirty three point three or something, who knows. But also what's going What happens at thirty three is that ice melts to water at thirty three degrees? Yeah, right, because it's a solid form at thirty two or up to thirty two, and then the thirty third degree, you're no longer frozen in time, You're no longer stuck in that orfic egg. The egg starts to break, the ice starts to break at that point, right, And so just symbolically,

Interesting?

So all right, so I just wanted to show that picture and also wanted to give a little shout out

Right, you know what I mean.

I still can't even believe we got him on the show, Like it's ridiculous.

Yeah, he was awesome and had great hair.

Oh yeah, amazing.

So so yeah, that's the orphic Egg. Now we're going to get into a little bit more orphism ultimately, you know where the orphic egg comes from. Orphism is a mystical Greek tradition. So orphism was an esoteric religious movement in ancient Greece, rooted in the teachings attributed to the mythical poet Orpheus. Unlike the popular Olympian religion of zeus Hera and the Rest, orphism was concerned with the soul's journey,

That's right.

Ye.

At the heart of orphic myth is a creation story that does doesn't begin with chaos ruled by Gaya and Urinus like Hesiod's theogeny, but with a primordial egg. This is a striking departure from mainstream Greek thought. It immediately sets orphism apart as a mystical current, mystical current emphasizing unity, hidden potential in the divine emanation rather than brute force and divine conquest. The orphic egg is in this sense a teaching device. It doesn't just tell where we come from,

I just love stuff like this. It's awesome, dude. It seems familiar though it do so.

Then we get to the birth of the cosmic egg. The cosmic egg, the orphic egg, dude, there is ending research for this episode. I was shocked at the amount of egg symbolism all throughout history and and by the way, the uh so, there's been like a lot of UFO whistleblowers and stuff like that lately, right, and the most recent one was Jake Barber who talked about dude, he himself was the helicopter pilot that picked up a egg UFO.

Oh really, so we're.

Gonna be getting into a little bit of that too, because could we be talking about the same thing. I don't know. I'm just saying, maybe there's some symbolism there.

Any chance we get to talk about aliens, dude, I know we don't even do it enough, but it's it's really the one thing that got me into really trying to look into.

What what else is out there? What's going on? You know? And so yeah, we got to get into aliens a little bit more, I think, yes.

So, according to orfic cosmogony, before the egg, there was Kronos, which was time, and a nake, which is necessity. These two eternal principles swirled in the darkness until from their union a silver cosmic egg emerged. The egg itself floated in chaos, a vessel of infinite potential. When it finally cracked, light bursted forth, and from within emerged Fanes p H A N E S. I don't know if that's how you say it, but that's how it looks. Fanes, which is the androgenists, radiant first born god.

Okay, okay, like the og, that's that's what it says.

Yeah, so not necessarily literal in that sense, but just you know, we'll understand it a little bit more the more we read. So, Fane's name means to bring light or to reveal, which is interesting because I already know what the Christians are going to be saying about that. Oh he's androgenousts and he's a light bringer.

You mean.

The devil or Lucifer or Beel's abub, you know with the uh with the two fingers up and the two fingers down. Meanwhile, that dude, you know, the Bapha met, the Bappha met that everybody's aware with, with the two fingers up and two fingers down, with the you know, the horns and the boobs and everything that wasn't even created until the eighteen hundreds. Oh really, yeah, that's not Oh, it's not real.

Oh okay.

People people are just like, see, that's it's Bapha met symbology. I'm like, bro, the Bapha Met wasn't even like, yeah, the Baha Met name had been talked about, but that picture that you're referring to not even close. It's that is that is a cult. That is a cult Baphomet. That's not the same thing, right, So anyway, I know that people are gonna fight me over that, but that's fine.

Right, yeah, And I think the only real danger of it if if at all you know is you can you could probably spiral at some point. I'm sure the mind is very powerful, you know, and so it could take you to a place of you know, maybe you feel like you're losing your mind because you're just constantly absorbing more and more and you don't really know when to stop the spinning, you know.

But I don't know. I'm right there with you, man.

I feel like if there's something that I don't know, I want to know, and we come across a lot of things that maybe we'll never know, but I still can't help but ponder.

Yeah.

Well, and that's the thing is that I feel like you can get lost in just about any realm of thought. Really. Think about Pythagoras, he had a number cult. He was just obsessed with numbers and a bunch of orgies and crazy stuff. But there, and that's actually the Orphics were actually heavy into orgies as well. But we're not going to go there, right because I don't believe in throwing

Ultimately, it's just something different, you know what I mean, That's what that's really why it's bad, you know, in their ice, I.

Think, right right, So, your boy Fanes his name meant to bring light, or to reveal. He was crowned, winged, radiant, and carried the scepter of authority. He was the ordering principle of the cosmos, the divine light that transforms chaos into creation. This story reflects a deep symbolic truth, before any manifestation, before any thought, before any quote unquote you, there is potential waiting to emerge. The breaking of the

It is.

Yep, that's evil though, you know that in all of them. I'm sorry, I gotta dig sometimes I gotta dig. So Fanes the first born, I hope I'm saying that right. I'm sure I'm not. But Fanes is a fascinating figure, often conflated with Eros, which is love, or even Dionysus in later orphic traditions. Dionysus I believe was the wine god. Oh I think so. We we haven't really touched on too much Greek and stuff like.

That, we did. I have a hard time remembering all of these entities, you know.

Yeah, I just know Dionysus because that's like, uh, for Marti Gras. A lot of people have Dionysus floats and Marti Gras you're getting drunk. So people know that one. So like the wine or the liquor god or something. So as the being who emerges from the cosmic egg, Fanes represents the very first differentiation light from dark unity. Into multiple implicity. Depictions of Fanes often show him surrounded by the zodiac will, emphasizing his role as the ordering

Right, rather more so just the creation and destruction of of just this natural eternal world we seem to.

Be in, right, And you can, you know, you can meditate upon the spirit or the essence of said deity or whatever, right right, and you can even try and connect with that spirit in a sense. But to say that these were beings that walked on earth, do I believe that literally Zeus plucked out his own eye in order to have access to all the wisdom, which ultimately led to him finding all the runes and stuff like that. No, I really don't. But I love the symbolism behind it.

That is what myth is, right, And I think when it comes to myth, you have to almost already believe it in order to start really seeing it and feeling it, you know what I mean, internally, And so that's when it gets it's a little bit a little bit complicated. Anything that you really look into and you really want to believe it, you can really trick yourself into believing it, for sure.

But even whenever you believe it, you know what you're basically what's going on. And this is just my understanding. I'm not the knowwherre of everything. Obviously, we are we are. We will never confuse ourselves as teachers by any means.

You will forever be students due exactly.

Yeah, But I think that what is going on with that is that it's it's all just meant to be symbolic that even if you are somebody that believes without a shadow of a doubt the literal interpretation of these things, what that is doing is that that is speaking that knowledge and understanding and that vibration to every single one of your cells, right, and every single one of your cells will now believe in Zeus, will now believe in Jesus,

Right.

Yes, yeah, so your mind thinks that it's absolutely real. It must be real. Zeus is up there, he's throwing down lightning bolts, right. Meanwhile, the rest of your body doesn't really care if you're being literal or not. It believes it, so it's reacting with it in that sense, I think, is what's going on. I love that explanation. Actually, that was good. That was great, Thank you sir. And I could be wrong. That's just my own understanding of it. That being said, the egg as a symbol of unity.

Little adimation or whatever you want to call it.

Right, it's the whole egg, all of everything.

It condensed in.

Yeah, so that was that would be the pleroma the Gnostics talked about, which would be the undivided totality of divine before being fractured into matter.

Hmm, Okay, there we go.

So the cracking of the egg is not a tragedy, but a necessary process of manifestation. To create the one must become many.

God.

I love this stuff. It's like spiritually poetic. M you know it do? So the egg, the orphic egg, therefore, is not just a story of beginnings, but a timeless truth that wholeness exists before fragmentation, and that every act of creation is a breaking, a release of hidden potential into the world. This applies to the cosmos, to human birth, into every moment of spiritual realization.

M damn, let's go baby. It is deep.

So now there are cross cultural parallels as well. That you know, the orphics weren't the only one that ever talked about eggs. It appears all throughout history. Dude, yep, So, the orphic egg isn't unique to Greece. Nearly every culture's creation myths include a quote unquote cosmic egg. In Hinduism, it's the Brahmanda, the egg of Brahma from which the universe emerged. And Egyptian lure raw hatches from a primordial

Mm hmm, so I've been I've been thinking about this a lot as far as a beginning or if there even was a beginning, And I'm really leaning and I think you've mentioned it before, but I am kind of leaning towards the fact that it just kind of always has been, you know, like just this infinite regress if you will.

Yeah, I agree, And and I don't mean that, you know, whenever I say that in my own in my own mind, because I was thinking about this earlier today too, I don't. I don't know if that necessarily if the word trying to describe physicality, you know, the physical world, because they say that the physical material world is actually emerging from consciousness,

I actually kind of get down with that.

If we are to talk about a God, I would say that's probably that's probably it for me, you know, because I feel like it does transcend everything, and especially if it was here before, if there was a before physicality at all. I feel like, you know, consciousness was there before everything, you know, and it transcends. I feel like it's something that no matter what you know, dimension you know, or what level you're at, consciousness is consistent throughout Yeah.

I mean well, and especially like through a lot of religion, they'll say that God has always existed. There was never a beginning or an end to God, right, And we've talked about that, but that God essentially not only created the world, but created us. And I don't know so if that's true, because if if material out material material world and the physical world is emergent from consciousness, then

Mean, I think I think either way you look at it, then it's still kind of in a sense, kicking the can down the road, you know what I mean, Like we don't have a full understanding of everything, and maybe we never will, just based on how long we live and how you know, how far research can really get.

I guess I just like that better know.

But either way, I think it's still just kind of something to put into that place of we just don't know.

Yeah, I mean, I agree, I would much rather say consciousness or the spirit in general rather than just saying God, because it's like, I don't know, it seems too convoluted really. So anyhow, that being said, we're going to get into the next part, which is the egg in alchemy. So let's get into some alchemy. See where it goes there. So, in Western esoteric tradition, the orphic egg was adopted into alchemy as the philosophical egg. See what I'm saying, Like,

The limited itself.

I like that It's true, isn't it though?

Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.

I mean, if you are afraid to look into certain things that might change are not changed, but kind of crack you know what you already understand or what you undoubtedly know to be true. It's like, you know what I mean, I think that's that's what we're talking about here.

Hey, dude, you gotta crack a couple eggs to make an omelet.

You know what I mean? Dude? Oh yeah, for sure.

So there's also a Gnostic connection with this as well. So the Gnostics viewed the orphic egg as a parallel to their own myths of the pleroma and the fall of Sophia and Gnostic cosmology. The divine realm is wholeness, the descent, and to matter is the fracturing, the cracking of the egg into multiplicity. But just as the cosmic egg contained the divine spark, Gnostics believe that each human being contains a piece of the divine trapped within the

Hmm, that's cool.

The Gnostics were always on some shit.

Yeah. It always had a good way of putting shit, you know.

Yeah, just taking a story and looking at it from you know, the what did it mean, instead of taking it literal, you.

Know, yeah, And I mean, if you wanted to take it literal, I mean, you could also look at the fact that, like we all start in an egg, you know, and and that's where we are, within the womb, and then we come out and now we're alive, and we see the light, you know, we're here now, and so that's when the universe started for us, you know.

Yeah, and I think that it probably started with that same light, you know. So, for example, they say that at the moment of conception, meaning the time that the sperm first you know, goes into the egg, right, that there is a burst of light, all right, And maybe that's the soul, maybe that's consciousness. I don't know what

His name was?

Oh shit, what was the name of that god?

Uh?

Fans fins so fine. It says that he was androgynists, meaning that he did he was he was both male and female. Yeah, well up until the point, so you have the sperm going into the egg, I think it takes a little while to determine if it's gonna be a boy or girl. It's not instant, right.

Oh yeah, I'm actually not sure. I think I've heard something about that.

Yeah, I don't know exactly in what stage you know, it's already determined. But I want to say, I don't know. I thought I I thought I heard that it was like already like as soon as it happens, it's already like determined that or or maybe what I heard was is that it's determined from from the male, you know what I mean.

Yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be something interesting to look into. But and I could be wrong. I'm just I don't know, but anyway, all right, let's get back to it. So then, uh so we went from we went the Gnostic route and now we're going to go into the egg in Christian mysticism. So maybe maybe it's uh Rosicrucianism mm hm, which I would love to look into the rosicrutions a little bit more in the future because they're definitely on some ship too.

Oh real quick.

I just looked it up and and the the sex of the fetus is determined at the moment of fertilization when the sperm cell. Uh So, as soon as it's fertilized is when it's already determined.

Wow.

Yeah, so the sperm doesn't know if it's going to be a boy or a girl until it fertilizes the egg.

It's like it's the potential of of both. I guess oh.

Wait, yeah, I tell doesn't Yeah, isn't it the woman that that that determines the sex?

Though? See I always thought it was I thought I heard it was the male, but you know, I'm not sure. But yeah, but right at fertilization is when it's already determined.

Interesting. Wow, okay, so all right, getting back over to it. The egg and Christian mysticism. Christianity two adopted the egg as a symbol, most famously with Easter eggs. The egg became a symbol of resurrection, new life, and the empty womb. While this is usually presented as folklore, it's actually a

Sorry.

So Christ becomes a kind of Feign's figure, the radiant firstborn of the dead, who brings divine order and resurrection into the cosmos. Here we see that even traditions that claim to reject pagan myths ended up reusing their symbols, often on consciously. The orphic egg and the Easter egg are two sides of the same spiritual truth. Life bursts forth from death and unity emerges from hiddenness.

And the cycle continues it do it do so?

Then there's the psychological and the Youngian. Carl Jung interpretations. So Carl Jung and later psychologists interpreted the cosmic egg as a symbol of the self, the wholeness of the psyche before fragmentation and dreams and myths. Eggs often symbolize latent potential or the process of individuation, which would be the hatching of the true self. From this view, the orphic egg isn't just a story of the universe, but

That's that's pretty fucking awesome, man. I could really resonate with it, you know.

Dude, anybody that's ever had like a surely, if you're listening to this episode, you've had like a spiritual awakening of sorts, right. And because I'm not gonna lie to you, dude, I used to be a full on NPC. I could not have cared less about this stuff whenever I was like twenty four to twenty five years old. You know, it wasn't until that there was that little thing that cracked me open a little bit, you know, like that first thing that maybe go what the fuck was it?

What is that, you know, sending you on your endless search? Yeah?

Yeah, And and I think that everybody has probably had a time like that. Maybe it happened through synchronicities. Maybe it happened through you know, maybe you got visited by an alien or you know, an god or an angel or Jesus or some kind of deity you know, spoke to you in your dream, or maybe you experienced something crazy in meditation, maybe you did way too much DMD, you know, something like that.

You know, it's I mean, it might not even just be something mystical like that. It could be just something in your physical world that just didn't line up, you know, and you thought something was one way and oh shit, you know, so it's like, all right, so now what else do I not know that I thought I knew.

You know, Yeah, And that was the thing for me. It started with conspiracies, which is why I have the cult of conspiracy, because I was just obsessed with wrecking the paradigm of this reality that I thought was true, right, because I was like, if this is wrong, what else is right? And I got obsessed with learning about every conspiracy. I just wanted to keep on breaking that egg. Every single episode was my entire goal. It still is my goal.

Was created, right right, Well, yeah, you're starting to fractal at this point, now, you know what I mean?

Yeah yeah, so uh speaking of fractal, the egg as a symbol of death and rebirth, So the egg is not only birth but also death. The cracking of the show represents the destruction of a container, the loss of a wholeness that can never be regained, but in that breaking new life emerges. This dual symbolism makes the orphic egg a perfect emblem for the Mystery Schools. Initiates had to end quotes die before they die, undergo symbolic death and ritual in order to be reborn to a higher consciousness.

Wow, that was Yeah, that's pretty spot on, man.

When you when you do finally crack through that very thin by the way, it's a very thin shell, you know, the the shell of anega is super thin, so it doesn't take much. It's a small little thing that that kind of bursts you through the veil if you will.

Yeah, dude, And it's perfect. It actually like it almost represents the veil itself.

That's that's it, you know, exactly what I was thinking.

And I thought that it was interesting too, because it said that that the cracking of the show represents the destruction of a container. But then you hear, like, you know, a few years ago whenever Bob Lazar went on to Joe Rogan Show, and he goes, yeah, I was looking into some files, and you know, I you know, I visited Sector four or S four and you know, Element one whatever, seventeen eighteen whatever it was, and but and

Yeah, what all we containing? You know?

I mean I've heard people say like, oh, soul containers, you know, but I don't know.

I don't, I don't. I really don't know.

I would say that as you know what, I don't even necessarily know if I even like to use the word soul, because it's more religious based, right, And that's why, dude, I just like calling it consciousness.

Bro.

Like, I think that that is the least like religious type of way. I don't not that I have anything super against religion. It's just it's too organized. It doesn't allow you to think outside the box. You can't question anything, and if you act outside of those lines, then there are repercussions. I don't believe in that. I believe that, yes, we are containers, but symbolically we can crack out from

Yeah, but I feel like too, it can also be exhausting.

Like I've had days, dude, where I just feel like I'm like constantly in that just that higher state of awareness, you know, and it's just like that could be exhausting too. Oh So sometimes I think it is. It's good to what do they call blue pill, you know or whatever

Oh yeah, And that's the thing. I think that that egg is is always there as somewhat of a protective fallback option, you know what I'm saying. I don't know if we ever fully you know, emerge from the egg itself, just as long as there's a few cracks and a couple of holes for us to be able to peek out and know that there's still something out there. I think that's plenty really, oh absolutely so. So yeah, I thought that it was funny how it said the egg

Then would even with just one more.

That's what Aleister Crowley said too, as Yeah, Alistair Crowley actually said that he believed and this is somebody who literally he wanted to he wanted to be known as the most evil man to ever exist, right, and he said that eleven is the most evil number ever created. Really because it was basically saying that, like, I'm God plus one more.

That's that's where he would know about that.

Yeah, that's why whenever you said that, I was like, hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute, but all my synchronosities are eleven eleven.

Oh shit, damn path already damn.

So that's funny for yeah, well it's funny because now we get into the eleventh segment of this.

Of this episode, right.

Which is the egg and modern science. So interestingly, the orphic egg can be seen as a metaphor for modern cosmology. The Big Bang describes the universe as having once been compressed into a singularity, an infinitely dense point that cracked open into expansion. The cosmic egg therefore foreshadows scientific insight by thousands of years. Ancient mystics intuited that all things

And they're both trying to figure out the same fucking thing. Dude, dude, And I like.

How, I like how you know, because I guess I used to think as far as like when it whenever it came to the Big Bang, that there was like there was nothing and then all of a sudden everything kind of came out of that. But that's not even what it's saying. It's saying that it's it was all everything that is was still in this one thing, and so there was never a nothing, because you can't have nothing exactly.

Yeah, that everything was all contained in the into the pinpoint of something something right, which, yeah, and that actually perfectly parallels what we're gonna be talking about today. We're moving forward as far as the UFOs as well. Oh right, So now we're going to get into the UFOs of the symbology of the egg shaped craft that people have been talking about literally for over one hundred years and

Right m hm, biological almost just yeah yeah, life itself right.

And then there's the womb of transformation. So in esoteric thought, the egg isn't just about beginnings. It's about initiation. You go into the egg, undergo transformation, and come out reborn. Many UFO abductees describe the inside of the craft as sterile, white, womb like or egg shaped rooms where they undergo procedures

Reb dude, that's kind up. Man.

You know, I'm down. I just want to see what that's about. Even if it's a praying mantis, I don't care. I mean, I won't see what that's like at this point, dude, let's do it.

I'm willing to take a I'm willing to take a probe up. He asked to see what's going on here. You know, they're professionals about it, I mean at this point. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna be messing around. They're probably doing it for a reason.

You know, oh yeah, with purpose, of course.

I mean, I'll just say this to the mantis is out there, if you're just looking for a stool sample, you don't need to hike you know, your your antennas or whatever up my butt. Okay, I can just I can just ship for you.

I can just do that a cup whatever, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. Instead they're like treating us like puppies where they get the little the little fecal sample with the with the needle looking thing.

Yeah get yeah, I'm.

Like, calm down, all right, I'm not into that. So anyhow, the uh, the vehicles of of gods. This is interesting. So in Hindu mythology the cosmic egg, which we talked about earlier, Bramanda gave birth to Brahma, but also later became associated with vimanas, which means flying crafts of the gods. So if fanes is the radiant light emerging from the egg, then UFOs could be modern manifestations of that archetype containers

Wow, dude, these things have been seen for forever, you.

Know what I mean, Because it was one point where I was thinking, like, well, you know, maybe just the thought of aliens and UFOs was kind of of, uh, eventually just evolved, you know. But I mean, like Nick was saying, like explaining all the cave paintings of you know, seemingly UFOs or orbs flying in the sky, It's like this is just something that's natural. It's been and one of the most ancient paintings of Jesus I'm gonna try

Yeah, you're And it's not even like you could U.

Get confused with that in an angel or a depiction of an angel that's not at all how they were depicted, you know, And so this is clearly something else.

Yeah.

I think it's like deliberate too. It's just like right there.

Oh, they're not even trying to hide it at that point. So and and also could it be a So when we're talking about the egg crafts, could it be consciousness technology? So the orphic egg would be equal to the cosmos

Right.

I had never heard anything like that before then. I mean I had only just gotten into looking into aliens and stuff like that. I never heard of these crazy stories. But then you hear so many other people and their experiences of maybe going on to the craft or having another past life regression, or maybe it was some psychedelic experience or something like that, where they are having the experience of almost being one with the vessel that they're

And that's perfect because that's exactly the the one frame of thought really that puts me into the understanding of the whole consciousness consciousness.

Thing in general.

You know what I mean that that is the the one natural force that's under everything, you know, every every experience that people have had, you know, I mean I can't speak for everybody, of course, you know, but I feel like everybody that's had an experience with aliens or I mean even Nick, he literally communicates with him with his consciousness, and your consciousness and your vibration and everything has a lot to do with what you're able to

Well, And I'm like, and what's also interesting about it is that whenever that egg does crack right and you realize, oh my god, I'm not this body, I'm actually something even greater. I'm actually the consciousness. Now, if you look at it from that angle, from that higher self perspective, you are communicating telepathically with your body.

Mm hmm.

Do you see what I'm.

Saying though, Like, it's like you're and you're able to dip into the the unlimited potential because you're not Jonathan. You are.

You are capable of meaning whatever the.

Fuck exactly what I mean. I mean, it's all there. This human body is like you know, Avatar connecting its tail to the dragon or whatever or the seahorse or whatever the fuck it was, you know, connected to It's like, you know, whenever you're able to separate you from what

All everything that you thought you were was the substance within the shell, you know, like the ego driven like this is what I know to.

Be me, and then that cracks.

Yeah, and now you're just connected to what's outside of that.

Man, It's just like, yeah, whenever you discover that you are the essence of life itself, that you're not strictly contained to this container, this vessel, but you're just in control of this vessel. That's that's like the that is the cracking of the egg. That's great, man, I feel like we just really got deep right there. Sometimes we do that, you know, philosophical and this beach. So therefore, the egg shape may be the most efficient. All check

MM.

So there is a fascinating tie with with the cosmic egg, the orphic egg, and the the the alien egg shape UFO that in ancient myth the egg is the vessel of divine light, and in modern ufo lore the egg is the vessel of other worldly intelligence. So I was like, all right, how many times has there been uh documented ufo egg shaped craft in the world? How many times has it been documented? Turns out it has been documented at least nine times.

Nine times.

At least nine times have people had an experience with an egg ufo craft.

I thought would be way more than that.

These are just the ones that are documented. Oh okay, okay, So it's you know a lot of times they go undocumented, I'm sure, but these are the ones that are written down, talked about, and you know, like deeply described. So the first one actually happened in when was it? There were actually two in three, I'm sorry, in nineteen fifty seven, three in the same year. In nineteen fifty seven. One was in Texas, the next one was in Albuquerque, New Mexico,

Same okay, same year.

I don't know if it's the same craft, but all three were in the same year. Interesting, so it's one of them was in Leveland, Texas. So it says multiple witnesses reported a brilliantly lit egg shaped object, some up to one hundred feet long, sitting on the road, causing their vehicles to stall out before flying off and restoring engine function. It's one of the most compelling mass sighting cases on record.

Wow, can you imagine seeing something like that in fifty seven? You know, I mean everybody's driving carbureted cars and shit, and like you're lucky if it started for you in the morning and then you just see this brilliantly lit egg shaped thing in the middle of the road, Like that would be a trip, dude.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to see. Was this around the same time of Betty and Barney Hill. This was actually before Betty and Barney.

Hill, Okay, because they were like in the sixties, right in sixty one. Yeah, okay, okay, so this was four years before Betty and Barney Hill, which was pretty interesting. So, yeah, that was the Texas case in nineteen fifty seven. The next one you have the Kirtland AFB sighting in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in nineteen fifty seven. It says civil aeronautic controllers observed a vertically elongated egg shaped object fifteen to twenty feet tall. Oh so the other one was one

Oh so it was.

And that's that's what's crazy about this. These are either mass sightings or government sightings, so that's why they're so documented in that sense.

Yeah.

So, and the technology that we had, at least to our knowledge, was not anything of that.

Well, and that's the thing is that it follows aircraft before vanishing. So this still tracks with my understanding as far as all these things go. Personally, I believe that every single UFO, every single real UFO story mean physically real physical, Yeah, we'll get We'll say physical, every single end quotes physical because I believe that they can probably

Yeah, I mean that just makes the most sense, you know, if you want to go into the physics of it, it just doesn't make sense that they could travel that far, you know, and get here.

But because to our perception, that's what it looks like.

It definitely looks like they're just kind of fading into our perception, you know, not like arriving.

Yeah, and even even physics can't explain it. And that's why it's having such a hard time with all this UFO stuff because, for example, even I believe they said the tic tac UFO that was back in like two thousand and three or something like that, just four they.

Said, Kevin, watch a UFO documentary without seeing that black and white footage exactly.

They say even that one was traveling at like mock eighty, so the fastest that a human has ever gone in like a fighter jet. Right, it's like mock nine.

Right, So just moving.

That you're hauling, Dude, you are going faster than the speed of sound. Oh yeah, oh yeah, these are what ten times faster right at minimum?

Wow, it's like this sound even do at that point, you know. But if they're not even actually moving through outur physical space, then then air and all that has nothing to do with it. So there are no bounds to how fast it can go.

I'm sure, right, And I mean they are there. There seems to be no you know, like they seem to be operating within like zero gravity as well, so there's no propulsion propulsion. That was the word I was looking for. I couldn't think about that, I thought, but yeah, there's no repulsion there. There seems to be like no heat signature even coming off of them.

Fascinating, dude, it's so fun to look into that kind of stuff.

Man, Like, I'm sorry, I can't look at that, and I can't look at that and say probably nothing. All there is is life, death, than taxes, you know what I mean. It's like, no, there's way more than that. So yeah, that was the Albuquerque one. The next one was the Brazil. I don't know which order these ones came in, but the the Brazil one is the uh

M See, this is.

When it when it comes to the abductions, you know, because I don't know when I started think about that, I'm like, how are you how.

Is that even possible?

How can you be abducted by a something that's immaterial in a sense at least to us. It would have to be right, well, because if they're able to move from through through air, through I don't know numbers of galaxies to get to us, seemingly bending space and time around them, you know, and then they just kind of materialize because they're now in our dimension, Like, how do they then interact with anything physical?

You know?

I can understand you know, electronics fucking up and shit like that, like I can. My imagination will definitely allowed me to go there, But physically taking somebody like that I'm interested in.

Well.

And there's many, many, many different reports of missing time, and Chris Bledsoe is one of the main ones, right, And because I mean he thought that time, you know, he thought that he was only gone for fifteen minutes whenever he was abducted, abducted in those woods fifteen.

Twenty went looking for him, so he was.

Gone, dude, They was gone for hours, right, And there were what four or five other people that were there with him, including his son, you know, and he goes, yeah, I thought that I was only gone fifteen twenty minutes. Turns out he was gone for hours, So there was some kind of sense of abduction and time not acting linearly as he remembered it or he had his mind erased or something. But I'm still trying to get him on the damn show. He is a busy man.

Yeah, you know, it happens.

I read the book though. I highly recommend everybody go out and read a UFO of God.

Yeah, super fascinating. His son too, though, was missing right, like he also had missing time along with him. His son was No, he was just like stabilized in one location. He was frozen frozen yeah, okay, yeah, and they couldn't find him either, right, No, they couldn't him, right, Nope, not at all.

Cloaking technology maybe you know who knows.

I think that they're they're I think they can just fucking like pause time, bro.

I mean, if they can bend space and time, I'm sure they can bend the environment around an individual and make it appear that they are not even there.

You know. Yeah, that's that's easy. Shit.

I mean, they're they're existing in another dimension, like without physical without physicality, you know what I'm saying. It's like, what is time to a non corporeal being? Right exactly, dude. So it's just crazy. But anyway, the next one, so you had the three and fifty seven. Then you had the next one. These are all egg shaped crafts. Was called the Socorro with Lonnie Zamora in New Mexico. A lot of shit going on in New Mexico. This was in nineteen sixty four. And this is a police officer.

This is different.

Yeah, so this case remains one of the most well documented and unexplained UFO incidents in the United States.

Hmm, yeah, I don't know.

Whenever it comes to the more physical ones, you know that leave some sort of evidence behind or or you know, propulsion and things of that nature, I'm like, I don't know. That's when I start to think like some government shit and like there's just some weird shit going on, you know, and the government's fucking with people.

I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. I have no idea.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. That one seems like if if we're trying to find, like, you know, one of these things is not like the other, like.

It's that one. Yeah.

Yeah, So let's go to the next one, which was I'm trying to do these in order, because they're not in order. The next one was Area fifty one. Okay, Area fifty one whistleblow or claim. So this is in the nineteen eighties. A former contractor claimed that a metallic egg shaped UFO roughly the size of an suv, was kept at a secretive facility known as Area fifty one in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, all right, well doesn't describe

You know, to be honest, like if you would have asked me this two years ago, before we even started this show, before when I was only just in the understanding that, like, yeah, of course there has to be aliens, you know.

I used to.

Think that they were more of the physical and not that they aren't within their own reality, within their own reality. I'm sure they interact maybe physically, you know, but I feel like it's all the more physical things are kind of just government shit, you know, Like I feel like if an alien can get over here and make it over to us from wherever the fuck they came from or when ever they came from.

I feel like they wouldn't.

Be captured, you know, I just don't feel it just doesn't make sense to me that there would be actual physical UFOs, if.

That makes sense, unless they want it to be.

Yeah, but what's the point in that, you know, What's just to leave something for us to go, Oh, there's more to this. This isn't just the third dimension. There's more going on, and we'll just leave you this little breadcrumb, you know, Like I That's what I pondered when it comes to that.

I mean, then you read The American Cosmic by Diane and Pasalka, and she talked about how she went out in the desert of New Mexico, I think also, and she was able to find this metal shit that was in the ground, and she called it meta material where it was solid before she held it, and then as soon as she held it it melted right, and then as soon as she would place it down, it would solidify again.

It would like reform or reshape, right.

And she says that those things are not remnants that are left behind accidentally. She them she believes that they're gifts from, like other worlds and other beings.

Yeah, I mean, I guess if they if they were to leave something behind, I feel like it, you know, it would be intentional only to get us to maybe evolve or to to help us along technologically, I guess. But other than that, as far as like what they got going on in area fifty one, I don't know, Like the whole guy, the one you were bringing up earlier was a bob Blazaar. Yeah, you know, I I'd have to think about that even further because I feel like I don't know. I know either, I don't. I

Which is the right way to look at it, I think.

Yeah, But like to go back to your original question, as far as like I two years ago, I would have been like, of course, of course there's physical crafts, they can.

Figure out how to get here.

But now I'm just of the mindset that it's all consciousness based and anything else is it is not it, you know what I mean. Yeah, as far as that meda material, I don't know. I don't know either. I just brought it up because I was like, I.

Want to see it, I want to hold it, you know, but I'm not make of it.

So which one was that?

Again?

That was the New Mexico incident. The next Oh no, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was also New Mexico, but that was Area fifty one. After that one, you had the nineteen eighty three incident in Indiana Somerset, Indiana, where it says a witness, Debbie Jordan Cobble, I think it's how you say your name, observed a UFO roughly eight to ten feet tall, egg shaped during an unsettling experience in the woods.

They're getting smaller, seemed to be the new models, the aerodynamic.

The one after that was in nineteen eighty eight in South Australia, so it says a family traveling across the Nuller bar plane reported seeing a UFO that looked like a big glowing ball, like an egg like an egg in an egg cup. Interesting, and then finally, well not finally, we have one more before we get to Jake Barber. But in nineteen ninety eight, oh god, this is in Mexico. It says a man and his children witnessed an oval egg like object silently hovering in the sky about four

And actually you think to me real quick, not to cut you off, but I just didn't want to brush over it.

They got a UFO retrieval system.

That's a program. Yeah, wow, okay, isn't that crazy. Yeah, So there's something I wanted to play rate here. This is actually, uh all right, so before we get to the to the video, I wanted to play This was an article that was written at the time that he whistle blew about the egg shape. It's all right, so it says a former Air Force Special Operations airman told News Nation that he worked for a secret unit that retrieved debris that he believes was from crashed unidentified flying objects.

Wow, instantly started to mess with his consciousness. You know.

Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like emotional state and everything.

That's not human. No human shit is not doing that.

I was kind of hoping.

And that shape that he finds that he found was pretty interesting, you know. But I wish you would have went into more detail as far as like the material. He said it's non human, But like, why why do you say that? What is it about the material? What could you tell us about it? Yeah, it's been crashed and broke open, you know, like what's inside?

What?

You know?

What I mean? Well, was there anything recognizable?

I'm happy you asked, sir, because we have a little minute and thirty nine second clip of him talking about it right now.

Awesome, All right, let's do it.

NewsNation has independently obtained previously unseen video obtained from a secret UAP craft retrieval program. Extraordinary footage clearly shows an egg shaped object dangling in a sling below the belly of a helicopter.

Let's slow this down to take a closer look. That's an egg shaped UAP suspended from a one hundred and fifty foot long line. We're told the craft is about twenty feet long. The egg suspended in a cradle, and look how careful the pilot is as they bring their precious cargo into land. Let's freeze frame here to look at one of the clearest images of a UAP ever taken. This is no blurry light in a distant sky. The source of the footage putting themselves at incredible risk to

Okay, so that was I thought that was gonna be a video of him talking, But that was Ross Coultart. He was the one that works for a news nation that broke the story about the whistleblower, Jake.

Robber, Right, Yeah, I was.

I was thinking, like, you know, this is supposed to be a crashed UFO. You know, whether he said that there was no marks or anything like that unless this thing is like, you know, impenetrable or you know, you can't do anything to harm the outside of it.

You know, how do they know it was crashed? You know?

Yeah?

Just left there?

Yeah, seeming more seemingly more left there rather than crashed. But this is actually a video of Jake Barber. He's being interviewed. Oh, I can't remember what his name is, Jesse Michaels or Michelle's. I'm not sure if that's how you say it. But it's with Logan, Paul and those people. But check this out. This is him. This is the bald guy right here with the glasses. That's Jake Barber.

Okay, have you retrieved a non human craft?

Yes?

I have. What's the story behind that?

On this particular night, I got my normal readout for the load. This time it included negative souls on board and it has matten disclosure for biologics as I'm flying and I get closer to this craft, I start having this very emotional experience, and the closer I got to the object, more emotional I got. It was a beautiful feeling.

Fuck, it's so weird.

It's like that minor chord as a kid, that sad beauty. I just felt like I was in the presence of my mother. It was like a feminine energy. I don't know what it was, but the closer I got, the more intense it got.

I hooked up.

As I'm flying back, I'm like completely overwhelmed, balling my eyes out, flying out after at night, like trying not to run into mountains and shit, and I'm like, oh my god, this is not good. As I get close, I make it there, I safely get it popped off, and then as I fly away, it goes away.

All right. So, whenever I first saw that, I was hoping that he was talking about the egg, but he was talking about the eggn Either way, I thought that it was interesting that he said that he felt almost a motherly presence, which reminded me of the egg a little bit. If you think about it, you know, yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean it see to me whenever you gets emotional. That just adds a little more validity.

Mm hm oh yeah, dude.

I mean he's flying a helicopter pile or flying a helicopter trying not to cry and shit like seemingly out of nowhere. You know that's unusual, right.

So after hearing that story, I was like, all right, could the egg shape UFO be interdimensional? So there are some really crazy physics whenever it comes to this thing that have been released or people that are at least have been able to observe so, and from you know how he described it and everything. So Barbara described the craft as egg shaped, metallic, no visible propulsion, no engine,

Huh oh okay.

So conventional flight requires exhaust lift or at least some measurable energy trail. This one had none. That strongly suggests that it wasn't moving through space the way that we understand, but instead bending or phasing around it. That's straight in line with interdimensional theories. Craft that can that manipulate space time or hop between frequency states rather than pushing through air like jets.

Right, in that sense, the object itself isn't even moving, you know, everything else is moving around it exactly.

Yes, So the egg itself is archetypally a container of potential worlds. This is where it gets wild, dude. So the orphic egg birth the cosmos, right Hindus Brahmanda cracked into heaven and Earth in an esoteric lens. An egg shaped UFO could represent a dimensional womb, carrying reality inside of it, or allowing beings to pass from one realm

Yeah, And you know, I was just thinking about this.

I did hear a story about an abduction where because I was just saying, like, how can something physical be abducted by something that's kind of non phys you know. But in this abduction story, they the guy that got the adductee actually claims that it seemed as though his frequency or his vibration, like his body like vibrated differently to a higher frequency, and that's what made it possible because they just kind of put him through the wall, like they didn't bother opening the door. He kind of

It makes sense at that point too, though, because especially if we tie in the whole red shift and blue shift right about how in order to meet them in the middle, we have to blue shift. They have to red shift, which means they have to lower their vibrational state. We have to hire our vibrational state, right if but

Emotions, right, almost like there was no choice in the matter, like this was just necessary, right, right, So.

I thought that was kind of interesting, But there is also a gnostic and mystical angle to this. So if we borrow the orphic egg framework, maybe the egg shaped UFO is a manifest a of the same archetype, a vessel cracking open to let divine or alien lights spill into our dimension. Gnostics might say that the egg in quotes isn't a spaceship at all, but a living portal, an arconic or ionic projection stepping down from higher planes

Yep, that's great.

And I don't know if you remember, but then in my past life regression, past life regression, that's what I was.

I was just like this ball.

I don't know if I was an egg or a sphere, but I felt spherical and I was just made of light. And one of the things that you were asking me was like, well, why are you there? You know, because there was people around and I can see them, and I remember we're saying, like the purpose of me even being here is to show the people that I'm that I'm here, you know that that this is this is possible, this is something that that just is, Yeah, to recognize that's what they're doing.

Well, just to to show us, uh that we can almost like be whole and we don't have to be so fragmented, because that consciousness no matter who you come in contact with, could be fucking you know, mantis beings, could be pleadians, could be whatever. Right, they always seem like they're not necessarily lacking anything, like they got it together, you know what I mean? And could it be that they're just trying to show us what that looks like. I don't know. I mean, I'm just getting like real weird.

Nose, dude.

I think this is just one of those things though that that puts me in that frame of mind, dude that we don't know shit, No, they eggs so much deeper than we could even imagine.

It's very bad. Yeah. So then I was like, all right, we just got done doing that siderio astrology episode and we found out that, uh, every seventy two years, the Earth has a wobble that shifts the constellations one degree, right, and with that wobble, I thought, well, that just reminds me of what old Neil deGrasse Tyson said whenever he said that the Earth is less, uh, you know, globular and more pear shaped.

Oblate spheroid I believe is the.

Yes, yes, oblate spheroid. He called it, also pear shaped, right.

A little wider at the hips.

She's a fat bottom girl, right, yeah.

So I was like, well a pair kind of resembles the same shape of an egg, right, Okay, So if we're gonna get real weird, let's take it all the way there.

So this there is the scientific shape of the Earth. As they say, the Earth is an oblate spheroid, slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equation due to its rotation. Even if you don't believe that the Earth is round, just follow me here for this, because it's going to be more symbolic than it is like physical, is what I'm trying to say. So beyond that, gravitational

Oh shit, that's the egg, dude.

It's the fucking egg. We could be moving in an egg right now. So it's an egg within an egg within an egg. So you got the human oric egg inside of the Earth egg shape, inside of the cosmic egg itself. It's like the fucking Russian dolls. Bro.

Yeah, dude, holy shit. So yeah above, so below.

Man, microcosm, macrocosm, all day. So yes, scientifically Earth is closer to a pair than an egg, but symbolically the distinction is small. It's asymmetry. Wobble and bulge fit right into the archetype of the cosmic egg, a container of life, perfectly imperfect hatching cycles of creation, containers within a container. Dude, that's wild, right, that's neat, just for the symbolism.

You never I never even would have looked at it that way.

Yeah, I've heard of the Earth being the oblate spheroid and all that, and surely it's very like if you're in space looking at it, you probably wouldn't even notice. But as it said, if you, if you make it more dramatic, then then you would clearly see that that shape.

Yeah exactly.

Yeah.

So and and dude, there's there's all kind of like sacred geometry with the egg shape as well, and we're not gonna be getting into that because that could take us down a whole nother hour.

At least, sacred geometry is something else.

Dude, Oh dude, it's crazy because the the egg hatches from the the sacred seed, so the sacred seed turns into the sacred egg, then turns into the you know, the the flour and all this other shit. But yeah, so all right, now, how do you put this into your own spiritual practice if you're trying to? All right, I was like, all right, you know, we like to we like to understand and you know, learn about the

What do you do with it?

So, for a modern seeker, the orphic egg can be a powerful meditation tool. Visualizing this self as an egg whole, unified yet waiting to crack, can help one connect with the process of inner awakening. In meditation, imagine light glowing within an egg in your heart or your mind. Within each breath, the egg glows brighter until it cracks open

I was hoping you'd say that, Yeah, I would expect no less from you.

It's just, you know, it has to do. We have to go there because we're trying to crack that egg tonight baby. Which, by the way, if you want to join us in that meditation, the only place to join us in that meditation would be at patreon dot com slash Meta Mysteries that links down the show to us below. It's the best way to be able to support us. We appreciate all of the one who have done so already. We are a small cult so far, but we are

Yeah, dude, so it's been it's been a minute man, love that guy.

Yes, Yes, it's gonna be awesome. So and we got we actually have like guest scheduled like a month in advance right now. We're trying to we're trying to get as many guests as we can because it's just nice being able to see where everybody else is at on their journey and what they've discovered. Maybe it aligns with what we've discovered, and and if it doesn't align, then it's like, all right, well these are things that we would never would have probably touched on, you know, right.

I think it's necessary, you know, because, like we've said before, you can kind of get locked into our you know, our frame of thinking and just the research that we've come along, and you know, and then someone else comes along with this whole different way of looking at it, and it's like, oh, I'm gonna go ahead and take a little bit of that.

For myself, you know.

Exactly egg, exactly egg.

Yes. You know.

What else I thought too was really cool was the the orphic egg that was described in Secret Teachings of All Ages. Was that it said that the human is the egg, right, and that the snake represents the mysteries and it's the mysteries that surround the human and eventually that pressure is going to crack that egg, but it's the mysteries that are surrounding it, and I thought, holy shit, is that's deeply symbolic with meta mysteries at that.

Yea, oh dude, and just the the egg and the serpent in general are both just very symbolic symbols, you know, put together in one. Man. It's funny because we were just showed my son the Power Ranger movie, the old school one you know, with like the purple ooze. I forget exactly what that one is called, but basically when the when the bad guy comes, it's like this purple egg that like comes out of the ground and it's like this hand holding a purple egg, and it's just like.

Okay something to that.

Man, Yeah, you might want to look at that just because it's dude, I watched that movie so many times as a young in that I literally I ran out the tape and my parents had to buy me a new VHS office. Yeah, the special effects definitely do not hold up, you know, but uh, that's still fun though, you know, old school Power Rangers.

Dude, that's a classic though. Rip to the White Ranger.

Yeah, dude, sad he went, he went through it. He did so.

In closing, we are going to crack the shell of the cosmos. So the orphic egg is more than a myth. It's a timeless symbol of beginnings, of potential and of great mystery of consciousness. From chaos and darkness emerged unity, then light, then creation. From the egg came fins, and from fanes came all things. But the myth does not just belong to the cosmos. It belongs to you. Within you is the orphic egg, the hidden light, the spark of divine consciousness, sealed in the shell of the flesh,

Dude, I mean, even even Humpty Dumpty was put back together again, you know, so.

Damn, I bet you there's something to that. Actually, there has to be. Yeah, dude, Wow, nothing new under the sun. How did I not think of that one? I don't know, It just came to me like right now, actually, like on the spot, Well, what do we got for that tarot card?

Sir?

Oh?

We you know what we got? Judgment? Really yeah?

Actually I told two of them, but the judgment one was the one that came out first. We could do both of them if you want, but I'd say we just do judgment.

All right?

Where is I think judgments?

Which is interesting, you know because I think in the beginning when you were talking about the fans and all of that, it did say something about the wings, you know, that it was given or that it that it spawned or you know.

So let's see.

Oh wow, how about the upright meanings? So the meaning of the word judgment is awakening and acceptance.

Right the cracking of that Shelly damn.

So judgment serves as the ultimate release when we are accepting of the past and our end of ourselves as we follow the divine call to our spiritual awakening.

Oh my god, dude, come on, come on.

You are ready for the next step in personal growth, accepting yourself and releasing the past and the judgment card. An angel in the sky blows a trumpet while people emerge from caskets, rejoicing as they heed the call emerge from caskets. Bro Come on now they're coming out of the tomb, you know, like this is wild. The artwork on this card references the Biblical resurrection on Judgment Day,

Dude, that's pretty spot on.

You know.

It just never seems to amaze me how these just align perfectly. The spiritual message behind it says, put your energy toward noticing the signs from the universe so you can begin releasing yourself from self criticism and judgment. This is the time to start accepting your spiritual gifts, moving on from past pain, and embracing a new period of spiritual awakening.

Signs from the universe. Man being that cosmic egg. You know, that's so universal and well known.

Wow, that is so amazing. I love that lined up the way.

That it did. Yeah.

I wasn't even sure if it was going to you know, I saw the wings and I was like, oh, we did say something about wings or whatever. But yeah, lined up way better than I could have imagined, you know, which it actually always does really literally awakening.

Come on now, that's literally the cracking of the egg is the awakening. It's the illumination.

You know, it can be on the veil at this point, man, you know, come on now.

So yeah, I guess. I mean, what do you think about the orphic egg? You dig it? It's awesome, dude, it's awesome. It looks like a cool tattoo in the making, you know, is what I was thinking when I was looking at it before we started recording.

I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

Yeah, yeah, that would be a cool tattoo.

I like that. Yeah, so some eyebrows, I'm sure, but yeah.

It is cool.

Man.

You know, the the snake is always seen as you know, it's the evil serpent, you know, but in in in Mystery Schools and Gnosticism and literally everywhere else, the scene the snake is always seen as the one that is essentially bringing the the mystery, the wisdom, the sophia, you know what I mean, Like it's always the it's the light bearer.

You know.

It's like it's so crazy, how how that is just I mean, all across all cultures, they all say the same thing. And even within Christianity, you know, the devil was known as the serpent, which is the light bearer.

You know, which it joways gets me, you know, because like God made the serpent too, you know, and he also knew exactly what.

Was going to go down with that. You know. It wasn't like, wait, what's going on over here? You know, you're all knowing what are you talking about? Bro?

It knew at that point. God didn't make the serpent, he is the serpent. Yes, that's the That's the real truth behind it. I think that, you know, if it's all one thing, then he's the good guy, he's the bad guy and everything in between, just like you, just like me, just like everybody you've ever met. Nobody is perfect. Everybody has some light, everybody has some dark. We're a perfect little mix of that sense. And you know which even if you put it to a neoplatonic view. It's like, yeah,

You call it.

So that's the real I mean, I think that that's the real shit right there.

Right, Yeah, that's the good.

That's the good news. So yeah, with that being said, uh, we are going to jump into the meditation. But if you want, you know, if you're just listening to this on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast or on metamisteries, you're listening to it on YouTube, we are we always divulge of you know, what we experienced during said meditation, and uh, yeah, that's what we're gonna get to By the way, if you would leave a leave a review, leave us five stars.

Some people say that the sums I think even some scientists speculate that that it's possible that we are just a universe within a universe, and within that black hole is our universe, and you know what I mean, So who knows? Man?

You know, every time I think of.

A black hole, I I really don't understand it. Like as much as I think I'm understanding it, I'm like, Okay, it's a black hole, but it's full of mass, which would tell me that it's.

Solid, you know, and I don't know. It just gets wild for me. Yeah, I mean, but I love it though. It's it's pretty damn fascinating. But uh but yeah, that being said, we're gonna wrap this baby up and get over to the meditation. So uh yeah, hopefully you guys really enjoyed that. But if the orphic and came here and it taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you don't know, so I'll just get weird.

Stay weird. What'd you think? Dude?

Oh?

I was uh, I was experiencing some some shit.

Yeah yeah, it was elaborate.

Yeah.

Yeah. So at first I was like, man, that that sound is kind of fucking whack, you know, at first, because I was like, man, this just sounds like not really something that you could get into a meditation with at first, and then I was like, but what if it is? What if it was you know, and just try and prep play around like that, And instantly I started thinking of all right, this is where my mind goes.

Right.

So then I was thinking, all right, well, I'm trying to imagine what that thing looks like. I started thinking about the uh, you know, the the angel with the wheels and the eyes and all that kind of stuff, that that was ultimately the uh, the unified whatever. I mean, some people think that that's the angel or whatever. Maybe

Right?

And yeah, I don't know. My mind just started getting a little crazy, and then I was like, all right, well, if I'm trying to imagine, you know, essentially, you know that, uh, what was it like, that one little atom that was compressed before the Big b Yeah, man, I feel like

You know?

And that brings forth like the idea of the end and the yang, right, the light inside of the darkness and the darkness inside of the light with the two fishes chasing each other. Because I would imagine, you know, kind of like how I was in the void, I was aware of the void. I wonder if the void was aware of me. And that's what they say, is that you stare into the abyss only to realize that the abyss is staring back up at you.

Right.

And what's interesting is when people, you know, as far as what I hear, when people go into that that DMT realm, it seems like they are with entities that are of of other you know, they're not coming from you. There of an intelligence other than you outside of you. And so if you look at it that way, then the void itself would be that still even though to you it looked like it was absence of anything, you know, but it still had its own intelligence.

Well, it just made me think, like, all right, that void was there before I appeared there, and so that void, being by itself, felt home. Nothing was out of the ordinary until I popped in. So now it's probably just as scared of me as I was of it, you know what I'm saying. If if the void itself is a conscious thing like a I don't know, maybe it just is consciousness.

It's the it's the you're an interdimensional being to the void at that point, yes, and so it's and so now it was losing its own mind by staring back at me at that point, right, and so now it's like we're both lost, and so what do we do to figure this out?

We're gonna fucking combine forces, and your pressure, your pressure that you're applying onto the one little atom that is me causes the explosion. And you know at that point, because at first you're scared of each other, then you're like, all right, let's work together. It's all we got, you know. And uh, I don't know. I'm just thinking like outside the box with that. For some reason, that's where my

Mmm, no, that's cool. I love it. I see.

I love where the mind goes because I'm sure you weren't intending on going there. No, you didn't know where you were gonna go. You didn't know what you'd end up pondering. But whatever kind of just starts, and then you kind of just let that build and let it kind of develop on its own, almost, and then here you are trying to figure out or understand the beginning of everything.

You know.

It's like, I love that kind of shit. It's one of my favorite things to think about. I know that it's something that we'll never understand, and let's be honest, you can try.

It's fun to think about, you know. But it's funny how you.

Went on too pondering about the beginning of everything, And what I was thinking about it was the like eternal now, you know, and that's what I went to. And as far as like because I know that we tend to do that, we tend to go to the extremes. We go to the beginning of everything, or the beginning, you know, the alpha or the omega, the very end of something,

You know.

It's like, but there's no, it's not a race. It's not this fucking competition that we're at odds with everything all the time. Let's just like enjoy what we have right now. That I heard this one guy and I don't remember who was saying that, but he was talking about like the purpose of life, you know, and just saying like, in his opinion, the thing that we should be doing with the purpose in life is to just enjoy the passage of time. You know, Like that's it,

It's just like be here, dude, because that's all we got always exactly.

And so yeah, it's funny that you mentioned the the angels with the with the eyes whatever because at one point I didn't feel like I saw a bunch of bunch of eyeballs like staring.

Back at me.

Really, and you bring up the void like observing you. Yeah, so that's kind of cool. But yeah, I mean, other than that, nothing, nothing too crazy happened. But it did feel pretty pretty mystical in its own right, you.

Know, dude. Yeah, it's man, it's just so crazy because it's it's things that you never think think about, that you know that you think about, that you tend to think about. In meditation, it just causes you to zoom in farther than you've ever zoomed in before, because what

Mm hmm. Yeah.

And like you said, you know, you just never know where it's gonna go. Like in the beginning of that meditation, I was just trying to get into it, you know, just like all right, let me see what vehicle do I need to get here, you know, to get where I'm going. And I just imagined that I was like inside of an egg of a ufover whatever you want to call it. I'm inside of this thing and it's just just barely big enough for me to sit inside

I mean, let's just say, for the sake of this conversation, let's just say that you're working essentially with intelligence of some sort, it seems, and this is the thing that it took me so long to figure out. But it seems that if we are able to communicate with anything telepathically, call it God, call it angels, call it ancestors, call it whatever, divine intelligence, whatever, right, whatever it is that

Yeah, you know, And like you said, it's a whisper, you know. But once you are able to actually notice that little wave of the tassel, then you can like magnify it, you know, and shed more light on that. Okay, so what else can I get from this now, you know? In meditation?

Yeah, yeah, it's a it's freaking interesting, dude.

It's interesting.

I never I never before doing the show, I never really realized just that just that in general, just being able to pay attention to those little things, you know. And it's like, ultimately, even if you don't even want to call it some divine intelligence outside.

Of you, let's just say it to you.

Still, you're working with the side of yourself that you didn't even know it was there.

Oh dude, It's it's pretty damn powerful. And I love it. I love working with it. And I think that that's you know, that's got to be the next step whatever it is. It's like, that's how you access it.

Yeah, And eventually, dude, I think that maybe, let's say another hundred years or so, just to be fair, you know, I feel like more and more people are going to be aware of noticing the little movement of the tassel if you will, you know, and I and it's just going to be normal.

I would think regularly that it would be about one hundred years, but I say give it fifteen.

Yeah, because it's exponential, right.

It's like it's shit speeding up, bro, like it is. And maybe it's just a personal thing to me, or a personal thing to us, or personal thing to the one that's listening that are also experiencing like these in extraordinary things that have no explanation. It's like, I think that it's it's just happening more often, and.

In the words of Terrence McKenna, it is just gonna get weirder and weirder, and eventually people are gonna have to start talking about it.

Yea.

So yes, Terrence Howard or Terrence Howard. Terrence McKenna was a real one too. Terrence Howard's a real one too. But yeah, all the Terrences out there, something about them.

Dude. If you're a Terrence, we're talking to you too.

My next dog will be named Terrence for sure.

Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

So anyway, the one, we appreciate you sticking with us through all of this spiritual madness. Hopefully you got a little something from it, at least something symbolic of the the orphic egg, and maybe you can find a way to apply that to your own life and to your own consciousness and keep on breaking that show.

Baby. That's it. That's it, so you can do anyhow.

All right, Well we're gonna dip it out, dip out of here, and so we'll see you on the flip side, Okay,