Meta Mysteries| Creating A Church | Magical Sorcery! W/ Lord Byron Jester

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My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean, and tonight is Wonder Wizday Baby for the live show. If this is your first time ever tuning into a Meta Mysteries episode, you tuned in at the right time, because tonight we got Lord Byron Jester. What to do, sir?

That's going good man? How you guys doing solid.

Doing good man? You're one of our favorite guests, man, So it's always it's always a good time.

Yeah, I c't I caught the last Wonder Wednesday do. I thought all you guys crushed it?

Man?

Oh awesome, Man. That means a lot coming from you, dude.

Yeah, you guys are crushing that.

Yeah, dude. You know, we're just diving into a bunch of different things and really looking into the the deeper, more esoteric level of understanding and gotta be honest, like just uh, with having you on and a couple of a couple other of our guests that we've had on, it's just been like it's like the praying Mantis going in there with astral surgery, just tweaking shit within our mind and everything, because I swear the influence is crazy. Like I'm just like, I feel like, you know, this

Yeah, that's the best medicine you could ever have, reganal oil or n em oil. We're both.

Yeah yeah, So yeah, dude, we're really excited about this.

You know people. Bet we probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to speak with otherwise, you know. And so you speak on you know, uh, you know, getting with Buyer and it's like those little steps and you get different levels, you know, and then the teacher, you know, arrives and so man, it's just been a hell of a journey.

Man.

You've definitely been a part of that.

Well thanks man, you guys have been a part of my journey too. Man, you got you guys kind of got the whole ball going with doing interviews and.

You know, so yeah, well, hey, whatever we can do to provide the outlet to be able to have these conversations and to be able to let a lot of this stuff, you know, out into the world, because if you really think about it, a lot of this stuff was you know, this was mystery school shit and you had to be initiated and then you know, maybe you had to cut off the tip of your dick in order to get into it. They got weird with initiation

We're not telling nobody what to do, you know.

I mean, you don't have to, you know, I'm not but uh but yeah, you were. You were messaging me or we were texting the other day and you said that you set up your own church.

Yeah. May Apotheosis is officially a tax exempt religious nonprofits.

That's a gangster move, dude.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It took a little trial and error because uh, you know, uh so so at first I was just going to do it for here in Utah. But we're not even sure if we're gonna stay here. We're thinking about uh moving, and and we're kind of thinking like Kentucky area, but we're not exactly sure where we want to go. Maybe maybe Idaho, maybe why I don't know, uh.

Go to Louisiana.

But someone was trying to tell me to go to Missouri.

You know.

Apparently all the cool kids are in Missouri right now, I don't know. But anyway, uh So I started thinking, I was like, you know, like I probably don't even need like an actual physical address. I can probably use like a digital address. So then I started looking at like which states are the best to file in? And uh, number one, of course is Delaware. Everyone knows, you know, you want to file your articles of incorporation in Delaware. Number two was Virginia. And that's where I'm from and

So that's awesome, dude. So I mean, what is what does that actually mean?

Though?

I mean I know that you know you. Is it basically like a five O one C three kind of thing?

No? Not a five oh one C three. That's what I think of the five O one C three. All right, No, it's a it's a five oh eight C one A church, you know. So you know, with the five oh one C three you later on have to apply for and go through all these steps for your tax exempt status. But with the five O eight U C one A and they do not make this easy to find out or read about or anything. Uh, you're automatically tax exempt. But you know, so I was even on what is

My church, are you like a pastor or a priest or what is your title?

Okay? So, so so I have, uh, you know, the articles filed, and then I have my bylaws and my statement of faith and everything. I'm I'm still kind of debating on how what kind of terminology I'm gonna use, uh, because you know a lot of people, like especially like in the occult spare, we'll use like high priest for the person who's in charge, and then priests for everyone right under them. Uh, you know, and that's a pretty easy system. But then you also have you know, like

No, that's so when you when you filed all this stuff and you were trying to get it going, was there questions like, well, okay, well what is your primary believe or did it go into any detail like that or just kind of.

And that was the problem the first time I tried to file, was I was adding all this stuff in there, you know, and uh so so like like after the second try, I I just went bare bones and just did the basic for the articles, just what they need to know legally. And I and so I really had to specify it because they don't have like a tax code on the template and they don't give you this option.

I got it.

So so you know, there there's a there's a few cool Well. Number one is that I have to do it, you know, can good faith and actually start structuring it as a church. And so, uh so i'll probably hear pretty soon start doing some live streams as a congregation at first, and maybe even like a Patreon kind of like you guys are doing with this you know livestream

So yeah, Well and then there's you know, the tive dollars and everything. That's I mean, you just called donations and Patreon support time money at that time.

So you know. Another cool thing, it's like if someone donates like a like a laptop to me or like a microphone or something, I can give them a receipt and when it when someone donates like an item to a nonprofit, you you leave the value blank and they can put in their own value for that item. So that's how that works.

So I got an extra mic dude, let me know.

Totally.

So it's actually worth about three grand.

I'm just kidding at least put four you know whatnot.

Yeah, you know, and same with like services and stuff like that. You know. Uh yeah, so you know it's it's it's pretty cool. It's pretty rad.

Hell yeah, So is it have you thought about like maybe some of the terminology as far as like is it going to be called a church or a temple or a cave or whatever? You know, like, have you thought about that even even if it is just online?

Yeah, I did put church in the name. I put it all in lowercase. It's just my apotheosis church. And uh uh so when I'm when I'm talking online and stuff.

Avoid all that, right right, Yeah.

But it makes sense to me because you know, like everything I talk about is spiritual in nature. One of my core beliefs is like magic and astrology, proofs creation, you know, so everything everything I talk about, everything I sell, every service I offer, is all spiritual in nature. So so so it makes sense to me.

Was what was your your statement, because you said that there had to be some kind of statement whenever you started this church.

Yeah, statement of fifth. I think I'm actually going to retype it actually retype it out. But yeah, it's just some stuff I did. I made sure to include like talisman's magic and radionics as part of an astrology, practical spiritual modalities and stuff like that. I may I made sure to include all.

That dy times or at least one.

So I think it's called the ins in a CC church. I think it's based out of South Dakota. It's a Native American church, and they used to not allow outsiders to be a member of it, but or people that aren't Indian or Indigenous. But now you can pay money and be a part of their church if you're like white or whatever, or black or whatever. But if you're a member of this inn acc church, you can legally

You know, have you thought about a maybe a hat of sorts, maybe apotheosis Yamaka type thing.

Oh yeah, a Jester cap totally. Uh yeah, you know, so a lot of that I'm going to work out. But I'm also uh so this is just the beginning. Later on, especially uh like when I have a forum and all of that, I'm gonna set up a private membership association too. And so my goal with a private membership association is, you know, people would be able to post like PDFs for books and videos and stuff and

Like that Nakashak record type deal over there, dude.

Yeah. And then after that I'm one, I'm gonna start hashing out uh, irrevocable trusts or an offshore trust, you know, stuff like that, irrevocable trusts. So so at some point I'm probably going to put everything into a trust with the Private Membership Association and the church, and I'll just be the trustee of the trust. So but but trust they require a lot more research. You got to do it right,

Wow.

Yeah, you really did your research on this, then just have curiosity if you don't mind me asking, You don't have to answer it. But how much did it run you to start this whole thing?

Oh, the church? Yeah, it's like seventy five bucks to file.

That's it.

Yeah, it depends, you know, it depends if you can draft your documents yourself, or or if you trust yourself enough to do it and not need a lawyer to look at the documents. You know, Like I said, it took me three tries because I got these little like like one of the details I had to get right was you have to have the spacing correct on the document. You know. So so if you draft your own documents, it has to be like one in the half inches on the top, like one in a quarter inches on

And you know, so that sounds about right. Yeah, government is real particular about that kind of stuff.

Yeah, but when I got it. Man, I got it, and I'm stoked. So and as soon as you get it, right, you know, they send you a document that's like signed by the treasurer or whatever or the commissioner and uh and it says that, uh, like you know, like everything that you sent them is within the confines of the law. So you did get like validation and also got my E I N number from the I R S. And I'm gonna set up a bank and then yeah.

I am. I don't.

Yeah, that is legitis.

Fun.

I just want to know what do I gotta do, what if me and Sean got to do to become your apostles? Sir, Yeah, you're not worthy.

First of all. Off, don't ever ask that again.

All right, that's gold too. I was just you know, I felt like we were on that same level.

But that's okay, we're not not even close.

Did you see the comment in the chat that just bought up. It was like, well, ship, y'all, let's make meta mysteries a church and the cult a real cult.

Yeah shout out, no, no, no, no, that's a great idea. Me and Jacob I've actually talked about that, like in the past, about forming like a cult of conspiracy type church and it would basically just be like a m M a church of sorts where he would just like.

So you could you could legitimately do that because I mean the term marshal and martial arts refers to the planet Mars, the god of war, so you could do it as like a like a Marsian veneration.

Wow.

Well, so you absolutely could do that, especially especially if you have like a shrine maybe with like aries got a war and you bow to them as you walk in, you know, something simple like that.

That would be sick. I'm more of a lover, so maybe a little Venusian, you know, yeah, excited to go to.

So you know, like I said, there are a lot of people trying to run businesses as five O eights and they and they started getting in. At first they were getting away with it, but then once a lot of people started doing it, they started cracking down on it. But with like a bar, I think you could pull it off just because uh, you know, you look at uh the planet the god of drinking, Dionysus, no Venus, Bacchus, Venus,

Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah.

I wonder how they go about that as far as, you know, like to get into like moral the moral aspect of it. You know, there's colds all the time, and and it didn't seem like they can really do anything to stop them from you know, you hear all those stories where you know, they go and they drink the kool aid and it was like was seemingly nothing they could.

Really do about it, and everybody's having sex.

Yeah, and how do they determine like the moral of that as far as what's good and what's not, you know, without getting kind of opinionated?

You know, I don't know, but you know, some of those colds, like you know, the Jonestown that you mentioned, were we're kind of like operations or like expansions of the MK ultra because like all of those mind control experiments that the Naval Intelligence and CIA and stuff we're doing. Uh, they they left the big paper trail, you know, so when they started putting him into like churches and colts

And most of them are. Yeah, that's what That's what I've learned is that most of the time shit gets like way too extreme and way too out of hand. There's there's fed hands in there.

Oh well, I mean if you look at Jim Jones especially, he looks like a CIA operative, Like he literally like Stan Smith on American Dad. You know, like if you put Stan Smith in aviators, you got Jim Jones for sure.

Basically, yeah, it's uh, it's it's a wild thing. But yeah, that's whenever I saw that you texted that, I was like, of course you would. Of course you're gonna oh yeah.

So you know what's even funnier about it, Uh, I called on Joseph Smith and the Angel Moroni to help me with it.

So and it worked.

Yeah, I much love to those guys.

Shout out to find a couple of plates somewhere.

Then, dude, yeah, because you know, because that's something that were part of the story that really stuck with me. The first time I heard it in like third grade, was you know, he was asking guy like, hey, there's all these other religions, which one has it right? And God's like none of them have it right. You have to start your own church. And I was like, jackpot so ever since I was like eight or nine years old, I was like, how do I do that?

Yeah, that's great, that's so much fun.

Dude, just get over the chat. Taylor said, how goes it? Happy Wednesday? All, Thank you guys so much for joining us tonight. This is this is one of the bigger groups we've had in a little while. So it's awesome. And I think that they're just here for Byron. He's the man.

Really, I mean, who doesn't want to.

Listen to Byron. It's been a little minute too. This is like I feel like it's been like one of the longer times we gone without talking to you.

It's yeah, it's almost embarrassing.

I think it's only been like I think it's only been like three months.

Yeah, too long.

Long.

Yeah.

I mean there for a little while we were doing like once a month.

Yeah, yeah, something like that six weeks or something.

Yeah, going a quarter of a fucking year without talking to you, dude, the fuck is that all about?

Dude?

Super Markey said, sorry, I'm late, guys, just got home, had to shower. What up, Supermarkey? Good to see you, Bud. And then of course, yeah, Norah bringing up the meta mysteries church and cult of conspiracy, real cult, you know that. Man, I'm actually kind of jealous. It does sound like a lot of fun, because.

Dude, I think you and Jacob should get special like uh like macho man Randy Savage style custom sunglasses me. Like one that says cult, the other one says conspiracy across the lenses. Yeah, yeah, you know, or maybe even just cult the conspiracies on on one, you know, just across it.

Yeah, we'll have to get a slim Gym sponsorship.

Oh I know, man, some of those old sense Slim jimmercials are so good. I remember the one. It was like the snowboarders and they're like, wrestling is not an extreme sport, and all of a sudden an extreme sport. He's like, you see like all these like snowboarding terms and like dropping elbows on.

Dude, he's like shaking the.

Board upside down. Well they're still feet are still hanging upside down in it. You know, like.

Those commercials were so ridiculous back in the day when we were growing up. I feel like they they had just really figured it out, you know, they really figured out how to get into our mind. Because some of those commercials I can still see today. Oh yeah, what I mean it was like, I don't know, it was like the peak of understanding how to really get into the mind, and it was just everywhere, you.

Know, the Supermarke he said Jay Usa one word four letters. Oh shit, Yeah, dude, it's really good to catch up with you. And it's awesome that you're starting that, uh your church, and you know, whatever you need from us, I mean we're we're willing to help you with whatever you need.

Bro.

So, uh, you need any kind of technical support, you need any kind of I mean apostle you need you know what I mean. He's not going for its available to you.

Yeah. You know what's what's cool too, is uh but because because I'm filed in uh Virginia and I'm not actually operating in Virginia, I can't use it to get any like property taxes off. But but each church can have one property that's a tax exempt you know, or you can have like a branch of a church into a you know, like so I can open a branch in like Kentucky and and that property could be you know, exempt from property taxes. But you're exempt from property taxes anyways.

I've heard, I've heard of that. It just sounds it sounds crazy to me that that's actually a thing. But you just have to actually speak up and say, hey, you know, like I don't want to do this.

It's basically like McDonald's and Burger King and gas stations that are supposed to pay property taxes. People aren't supposed to pay property taxes because we have the right to own property. You can't tax right because it's God given. You know. A lot of that comes from the Bar Association. Even with the five O eight, you know, like the I R. S. I don't think is even legally supposed to regulate what a church is and how a church operates.

Yeah, they try and make it as as difficult as possible. They trying to collect all that cheese, all the cheese they can, you know, and just out of curiosity, what are some of your philosophies and practices that you'll be preaching on uh on on church are? First of all, are you gonna be doing it on Sundays? Is it gonna be a Saturday thing?

I think it's gonna be Monday. I think I'm gonna do it on Monday, Moonday, Yeah, Moonday, and going back to pro wrestling. I think I'm gonna call it my live streams that I start doing on Monday, Moonday night raw nice. You know, I might put congregation in there too, just to you know, make it you know, just to stay in good faith and let let them make it clear what I'm doing, you know, so that.

Way it doesn't just look like a hangout or anything like that. So is it is there any kind of like specific direction you're trying to go as far as magic and maybe the occult and stuff like that, or is it kind of just gonna be why ranging all encompassing eclectic, Like we just covered the eclectic Witcher recently, and it's kind of like a.

It might not be much different than what you guys do for your solo shows or like what you did for your last Wizard Wednesday, you know, where you just kind of go over like a book or some type of spiritual teaching and you know, reflect on it and stuff like that. You know. So but as far as like practices go, you know, of course it's going to be like operative. You know, like theory is cool and all,

Yeah, yeah, I like what you say too about how you feel that magic is essentially your god given right. And you know, we talk all the time about even like certain rituals, even you know, and how easy and simple it really is to get into. Some people may call him a habit, but if you're conscious about your habits, then it becomes somewhat of a ritual, I believe.

Right, yeah, totally, you know, I mean the way athletes have their superstitions, or commercial fishermen. I don't know if you guys are friends with any commercial fishermen, have known any commercial fishermen. I mean, those guys, are they very superstitious, ten times more than anyone you'll ever meet.

Oh yeah, yeah. My dad was a hardcore in the casino for a little while, and every time i'd see him sitting at, you know, one of the slot machines, he'd be doing some weird shit with his hands. I'm like, what the fuck you doing? He's like, I have a process.

I'm like, okay, dance.

Yeah, yeah, But yeah, I think that that's uh, it's it's important, and I think that, like, you know, we've talked about certain rituals and stuff like that, and that's really why I try every single episode to try and include at least one ritual to practice whatever as we're talking about, just to show how simple and easy it actually is. And for the people that make question, you know, where we're pulling this from, is it coming from the

Yeah, the the more you do magic, and you know, especially if you can leave your superstitions and preconceived notions and programming, you know, leave that at the door. But uh, but it definitely doing magic, especially like consistently meditation all that, having a consistent practice, it'll start to connect you with your higher self, you know, with the Creator. With all of that, you know, And so.

I wanted to ask you too. I saw somebody who you know, they were talking about the difference between uh, you know, white in black witchcraft or light in dark witchcraft, the occult whatever, right, And they say that the people of the light they know not to do baneful magic because of the threefold law, like whatever you do will come back to you three times or whatever. And then the people that are practicing in the dark, they are

It is a stupid superspetition, And it's and it's a misunderstanding of the three fold log because it's because it's not what you put out comes back to you threefold. It's if I slap you on the face, it's your obligation to smack me either three times or three times as hard. You're supposed to return it threefold. So you know, if you know, if someone rips you off, you rip them off harder, you know, like you're supposed to destroy

So is that that's a WICCAN rule?

Then yeah, it's it's not if I put out negativity it comes back to me three fold. It's if you bring me negativity, I'm going to destroy you. You know, you have an obligation to you know.

Yeah, so it's even more than an eye for an eye, it's my eye, you take my eye, I'm I'm taking both your eyes, and I'm I might get your nose.

Yeah totally, you know. So yeah, but you know, but I and you know, some of the black conditions especially might get triggered by this. But I do think there is some type of mechanism in this realm that could be considered karma. And and there are people that throw a lot of curses around for no reason, and a lot of those people do get destroyed, and a lot of people think that's just action and reaction. I'm not

I felt that way too, Like anytime, let's say, something is weirdly talked about in a movie, right, something that has never happened, but then a year or two later, it's almost like that movie was a prophecy of sorts, And I kind of feel like they do that to kind of release the the maybe the karma debt that they accrue.

Yeah, it easily because it kind of puts it more on your lap. You know.

Well, I think too it, you know, because lately the way I've been looking at things is that everything is so conscious consciousness driven, you know, and so it's I think it's more so to put that information out and then almost like that karma, the that you were talking about, it kind of just sends it out and if it's in all of our awareness, it almost makes it happen, you know. If that many people are thinking about a certain thing, I feel like it's more likely to happen

Yeah, And you know, I think they've been trying to stomp out, you know, the whole idea of what America was supposed to be in the American dream. And I think it's such a powerful thought for him, and it's in our you know, conscious so much that I think they're having me such a tough time stomping it out. You know, like, I'm sure if they you know, if they had it their way, we would have lost our guns twenty.

Years ago, you know, probably farther back in Oh yeah, you know, right. Well, look, I kind of wanted to pick your brain a little bit because we've been covering a good amount of like wide ranging topics, and I feel like we got a pretty decent understanding about, you know, what they represent and what they actually mean, and just looking at them for the actual esoteric meaning rather than getting caught up in verbiage and what did it literally mean?

The Druids a little bit?

Yeah, I found that so fascinating doing that level of research. Now I know that it's it can be pretty skewed a little bit because a lot of their teachings were you know, burned or thrown away or collected and maybe the Vatican has it, who knows, right, But most of the stories really come from those who were battling them, and during that time it was the Roman Catholics I believe that were really the ones going over there and

Yeah, yeah, I do. I do think they're doing magic. Yeah, and you know, manipulating weather with magic is it's not like an impossible thing to do, you know, Yeah, many to doing with radionics. You know, there's legends of Genghis con if he was even a real character, but where he was causing storms to take out his enemies and stuff, and yeah, it's a it's a thing man. People do it.

Man. That is I just think that that is so cool. We're trying to bring it back, you know, neo Druidism or neo Druidry or whatever they're calling it nowadays. And you'll hear like some clapback on people saying something about that, oh, you can't possibly be practicing what the Druids were doing back then because none of their knowledge survived. And it's like, you know, that's part of the reason why it's called neo druid it's like the new way, Yeah.

Totally, you know. And you know, people when it comes to trying to like revive these old traditions, you know, people gotta understand too, like they were using what they had available, you know. So I don't think it's good to just be like dogmatic about what trying to recreate what they're doing because now we have a lot more to draw from. Yeah, you know, we have a lot

So it's definitely an interesting time to be alive.

Man.

Information is everywhere, you know, at your fingertips.

You know.

It's it's pretty special, I think. And I think that you know, for a lot of people out there that aren't necessarily too concerned about being too dogmatic in whatever their teachings are, whatever the lessons they're trying to learn, is as long as they can be open minded, dude, a lot of this stuff really does make sense, you know, whether you're looking into witchcraft, are you're looking into magic, or you're looking into religion of sword, are you're looking

Look at American voodoo or who dooo you know, but like like voodoo from like Louisiana and stuff from the South, you know, like they drew from different European cultures, folk magic they drew from Haitian folk magic, and they drew from like Native American folk magic, you know, plus like the Catholic and Christian influence on top of it, you know, the saints and everything. So you know, that's a pretty

Bags, right, And a lot of that had to do with, you know, what was available. You know, we were going over that with this this last episode, and I was like, yeah, it would make so much more sense, you know, to just use what's around you rather than having to travel, you know, and I mean two days to go pick

Yeah, you know, and I'll say this though, when I got into radionics, man, I don't do a lot of sympathetic magic at all. Like radionics kind of changed a lot of that aspect of my magic a lot, you know, And that just kind of goes with technology and things changing, I guess. But for me, it's it just works so much better when I just program a vigil candle, program all my information in there, fill it up with a bunch of awesome, clean energy, and then light it on

Mm hm, you know, speaking it out right.

Yeah, it's interesting and knowing that you have that help too because it Now, this is something that I did want to ask you specifically because I know that you work with a lot of help and whenever you're working with that, do you literally, like literally not figuratively, do you literally believe that these people, spirits, demons, angels are actually there? Or is it something that you're telling your mind to believe to make the make the spell work.

Uh, there's definitely a spirit in the room. Now are these eggrigors or do they exist outside of the human experience? Who knows? You know, it's like chicken or the egg at that point. But uh, but but you want to you want to do both so you kind of okay, I'll bring it up right here because this is kind of important, I guess. So, you know, you have the psychological framework of magic. These are all just archetypes, you know, They all you know, part of your subconscious part of creation.

M h.

And why do you say, why do you just to help me understand that? Why why would you say that it's safer to do the psychological route. Is that because that you're just you're disconnected from whatever that is, or in the psychological route, there really is no other thing to be connected to.

Well, well you sort of. I think you had it right with the with the first part of that. But but there's the other thing that it's like a mindset that these are already inside of you, Like these are archetypes, are already within you. So it's almost like a part of yourself that you're putting out in front of you to work with. You know, it's almost like shadow work. And that is true. I mean, the whole psychological part

You know, goes to sleep for three days, rises back up.

Yeah, you know, and uh and even like a lot of our secret societies are all based on the same thing, you know, like Freemasons and stuff. But you know, say with instead of three kings falling the star undeath the just the birth of the sun, they have three Ruffians. Instead of dying for three nights, he suffers three Hymabyth suffers three deadly blows and then and then he's resurrected. You know.

Wow, So it's all.

Yeah, it's all based on the same concepts, you know, it's not so.

And as far as you're the way that you're putting at like just trying to understand these spirits and these deities and angels and whatever, you know, psychologically, do you feel like, essentially you know, if they are Tulpa's or most of them are going to be egg gors because they're pretty well known, But like, do you feel as

Yeah, probably, But I try to have the I mean, I basically feel like I'm in control the whole time. You know. That's something I've learned a lot working with spirits. And there's some spirits you definitely don't want to piss off and be disrespectful to. But for the most part, they, even like feral spirits out in nature, seem to be obedient to us for whatever reason. You know, it takes

And you know, I think that that's why the Druids had it right, dude. You know, they didn't go into a church or a temple. They just had the grove. They were out in there in the fucking woods, and they were working with the elements and the nature, spirits and stuff like that. Like that makes them most amount of sense if I mean, depending on what you think. If you believe that humanity is native to Earth, then it would be your divine right to be able to work with those things, right.

Yeah. You know, some of the right hand path, especially the old school right hand path magicians, they had this mindset that we are created in the image of God, and the spirits obey us because because of that, because because we're a reflection of God, you know. And even with the law, you know how we started with the church and everything. The law is structured, especially in America because we have the Constitution of the Bill of Rights,

Oh they were freemasons. They definitely knew what the fuck was up, dude.

Oh yeah, And you know, back in the eighteen hundreds, we were reading more books on the law. We owned more books on the law than Britain, did, you know, because everyone was just reading the law, everyone, you know, even Joseph Smith. You know, he allegedly was just some farmer, which I don't think so. I think he was a wealthy guy. I think he came from a little bit of a pedigree. But you know, he knew the law. He knew how to file documents, how to be a church.

Oh dude, they were super advanced too. Like, even by the age of like twenty five twenty six, they were so far like like entrenched in their career and their understanding of this reality and and their their understanding of

So it's one of those things. Yeah, Like I always mentioned that I'm gonna creates a hardcore creationists, and so I think it's one of those things where this realm was built just for us and we are the apex of this realm.

That's something I want to ask you because we've had conversations with numerous people talking about well, mainly our boy Optimistic Bank shout out and he brings up pantheism, And at first I was like, you know, at first, I'm like, I don't know. That is everybody me and I am I everybody and am I, you know, part of the call it the Creator or the One or whatever you

Yeah, usually lucy dreams and all that go out of body.

Huh okay, all right, So in that dream, who created that world?

Yeah? You know that's a that's a good one.

You know, like it could all be us, you know, it could all just be an absolute, all total mind fuck because that world in the dream reality, no matter no matter where you are or who you are, or who your family is, or what you're working or anything like that. That is that's happening in your mind, right, Like, or do we believe that this is your jumping dimensions you're going to other timelines. Then that's where it starts

Yeah, well, yeah, you get to the point there, like what's the mind? You know, because uh, you know, like I think that our consciousness doesn't come from our brain at all. I think our brain is just a receiver for the consciousness. Yes, you know, it's like a radio,

Yeah, that makes sense, you know, I'd buy that.

And then you know, the one of the little uh you know, a lot of spiritual people will talk about it and some of the old ocult books. But if you just sit and just close your eyes and just observe your thoughts and don't try to regulate them, don't try to control them, just sit in the background and observe them, just let them come in and go as they please. You know, do that for like ten minutes, and then you got to ask yourself, if I'm my thoughts, then who is that paying attention to them?

M hmm. Yeah. It definitely doesn't feel like the version of you that's paying attention to them is actually coming up with thoughts. Like you're not literally constructing these thoughts in real time. It feels like you're just a wit of them. And that's the strangest thing when you start to think about it.

Yeah, people aren't their thoughts, they're not their beliefs, you know, And and it's really unfortunate there's so many people struggle with that, you know.

Well, they don't know how to separate it, you know, because you've never really had an opportunity so much to be able to separate it because some people believe that or they don't believe in meditation, or they don't believe in psychedelics, or they don't believe in breath work or anything like that. Like, and that's that's very unfortunate that some people are taught that way.

But real quick to the people out there that are skepticle of this, try it for a month, Try it for a month, and then tell me, dude.

And it's helped me out so much to be able to separate like this meat suit, just understanding that it's not me and understanding that like it's up to me on all right, am I going to react to a situation like this?

You know?

Because they all a reaction is is just essentially kind of buying into the system. It's almost habitual. Whereas if you're aware in the moment, and you can keep that level of awareness in every single moment, then you're gonna most of the time prevent yourself from reacting in a way that you're gonna regret.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

And I think that that's that's really interesting. Actually, I think that's the one thing that that really separates us from from animal, you know what I mean. Because an animal is just gonna react, that's just their animal nature, their instinct, their protective whatever. We have the ability to analyze the situation and almost rise above or even access your higher self and see it at a higher perspective and really try to figure out what's the best way

Yeah. And it's really sad though, you know, because so many people are so propagandaized and they're so polarized right now, you know. You you know, let's just take a polarizing subject like a like abortion right, and you know, the the left is like very like venomous, Like the Christians are pretty annoying about it, you know, preaching to like

Kind of a dick move exactly.

But uh, but you know, just because because these people are so like aggressive and venomous where they think you're like the most evil thing if you if you're pro life. But if you really break it down logically, like just because someone thinks it's wrong to kill an unborn child, it doesn't necessarily doesn't make them a bad person. It kind of makes them a good person. You know. It's a same with like vegans. You know, like vegans think it's wrong to kill an animal and for an animal

Ultimately, you know, people really don't like being told what to do, you know. And I think when when someone's telling you will that that's wrong or this is the way you should do it, it's coming from a well I have all the answers you know, and you don't, and and you know, maybe one day you'll figure it out, and it's like, you know what I mean that that's I think what gets people really upset, you know, this this hierarchy of intellect or or you know what I mean, I have the answers well.

It's the it's the polarization that ultimately creates the trigger in the first place, you know, because some people are just gonna be like I associate with everything that this

Yeah, you know, I think people need to start learning philosophy and debate and understanding like logical fallacies. You know, Like think about how much stuff that we have shoved on our throat, you know, in the last like ten years, you know, and especially from like the neo left, you know, and you know, how much of that stuff can you

Well, I think that that's all part of the word magic in general.

Yeah, but I think people need to start learning about just logical fallacies and just start having like open discussion about it, you know.

So right, But.

The problem is, like people are having these ideas and it's propaganda, you know, shape their entire consciousness. So they're already putting up all these walls around it. So any chip in that wall, you know, is is dangerous to the ego, you know.

Yeah.

Well, and to be honest, I kind of like, I just love kind of just going against the grain and whatever somebody deems like evil or or whatever, even though it's not even etymologically true. I need to, like, I need to know where did it all start? How did

It's all the same stuff, really, you know. And you know, even like you know, the magic and occult circles. You know, they always talk about how the Christians ripped off the Pagans and the Christians ripped off these pagan holidays and stuff, and I don't think so. I just think it's all based off the same thing. It's all based on the skyclock, yep,

You know, just different interpretations of the skyclock.

Right.

Yeah.

They basically took some older information, evolved it and made it theirs and then said this is the beginning, you know, like this is the way you know, Like meanwhile, I was just like a crash bandicoot checkpoint, you know, it was never the beginning.

Yeah, so you know, it's it's just one of those things, you know, Like, you know, I think it's all based on the same stuff. I think it's all the same thing. The problem with the Abrahamic religions though, is it's because it's it's framed in like this historical you know, as a historical frameworks that people take it literally, you know, even though you can find a lot of the same stories or aspects of the same stories, yeah, in previous myths. And like I said, it's not like they're ripping each

And I think that's the the biggest argument when it comes to like, well, why is Christianity the the one true religion? And I think that's where they go is the this is the historical fact about it, and and geography and different buildings and stuff like that structures and they can look back and match it up and see like oh yeah, see it's real. You know, this is what happened.

So yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting. I want to get over the chat here as a couple of people leaving some some notedge over here. Yeah, super market said, no such thing as a dark side, just something standing in the light making a shadow.

Yeah. Yeah, And you know when you uh, when you you know, I'm a creationist and I have an ether framework. You know, I don't believe in particle physics. I believe in uh ether field theory and uh so when you look at the way what light is, so light is basically a disturbance in the ether. So so basically the light is already there, you know, we're already surrounded by light. But what we call visible light is that perturbation of

That could be the excitation of it, right.

Yeah.

No, that's interesting too because there's there was this video that I saw literally earlier today, and I don't know if they were quantum physicists or whatever, but it was basically talking about the myth that light travels and I thought, holy shit, that is crazy because we've always been told that you know, it's traveling at light speed or it's thirty thousand light years away, you know, if it's traveling, you know, via light. And you know the example that

Yeah, it's a rate of induction, Yes.

Yeah, so interesting to think about it like that, and I dude, it has to I mean it would have to be the ether. What's the other medium?

Yeah, well look at that way.

They call it different things now, you know, like in the metaphasic community and alter the community, you know, Oregon scaler, you know, you look at quantum field, Higgs boson and stuff like that, and then they have like all this light just complete retarded ideas of like virtual photons, virtual particles because none of it actually makes sense, you know.

Which is actually pretty interesting too if you think about like just implementing that into shadow work, for example, because if if you're worried about, you know, not dealing with things of your past or things that you're you know, self conscious about or whatever, and you're not dealing with that shadow work, the light always exists, right, you just need to shine the light there or excite the light

At that point, you could almost look at a Lucifer, you know, as a magical archetype. Being the light bringer, is being the disturbance in that ether.

You know, Oh shit, we're the disturbance of the darkness.

Yeah, and and and and there is a disturbance that happens when you work with some of the you know, the demons and Lucifer and Satan, that you are kind of kicking up all this stuff that's kind of buried. That's why I think it's important for people to start off with like angels or have a spiritual practice before they're just jumping the demon. It's not that big of a deal. But the the more issues you have and unresolved trauma, you know, all that stuff's gonna come up

So from that metaphysical standpoint though, and you know, you bringing up Lucifer being the light bringer and basically the disturber, I mean, why is it then that a demon or somebody who may be notable of the dark side would be able to shine the light faster than an angel metaphysically.

Speaking, because you can look at them as being archetypes of the dark sub conscious.

You know that makes sense, Yeah, of the material world. Of the material world too, right.

Yeah, And they're the closest to the yeah, because I mean they That's another cool thing when you work with demons is they have a stronger energy. You feel they have a distinct energy too. They just seem a lot closer to the physical realm than like angels do.

That puts a interesting spin on things whenever you look at shit like that though, right, Because now it's like, yeah, you let's just call them demons for the sake of conversation. But if you're bringing let's just specifically call on Lucifer. I mean, knock on Wood. I'm not really calling on you, Bud, but because we always get everybody says that that's what we're calling on. No, don't make a mistake, I'm not

That's yeah. So actually.

I have thought about that a lot, especially you know, with the Abrahamic religions, how they're polarized and they're just kind of split. You know. I have thought about that that because you know, you have the seventy two angels from the Goatia, then you have the seventy two demons of the Goatia. And I was wondering if they were almost the same entity, just down further to a more dense manifestation.

In a different geological place that they just so happened to take up.

Yeah, damn, I thought that a few times, you know. But at the end of the day, who knows, you know, at the end of the day, who knows what.

It's all about? What you accept though, isn't it?

It's hard to say? Uh, you know, if it works, it works. First of all, that's number one proofs in the pudding, you know, So you know, it's it's worth experimenting with and asking them.

Yeah, all right, Oh you're gonna get me interested in working with demons now. God, yeah, they just lost their followers now, God, they're uh, you know, they're more interesting than a lot of other spirits.

But you know, you don't have to work with demons. But I mean, they they work so fast. You know, they have a unique energy. You feel it right away. It's more profound of an experience, and they work really fast. But you know, you should you should be a grounded person first. I think, work out some of your issues from your childhood traumas. But I mean everyone's different though, you.

Know, I'm just saying of the sake of science, you know.

Yeah, well, yeah, I think from a pragmatic standpoint, I think demons are pretty much the best to work with.

Now, does a demon always want some kind of offering or sacrifice in order to work with you? Is that every single demon across the board?

No, No, I don't think so. But I think it's a good practice to have.

I mean, I'm okay with offering up you know, you want to so.

A lot of it is just energy, you know, Like you know, it's not like the let's say you pour a libation of like coffee into the ground, right, The spirit isn't drinking the coffee. It is the energy of it, you know. So you know the act of evocation, you know, you're you're you're condensing the energy into a single source, and you're basically given that spirit a body, you know, with your own willpower. I mean, you could almost look at that as an offering because because you're you're giving

Yeah, but you're using just like the the diabetic pricker too, aren't you.

Oh for blood? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just use a little lancet. Doesn't leave any scars asn't you know, callous or anything like that. Well, he needs a couple of drops, you know. But uh, you know, if we if we get some property when we move out, if we move out of Utah, you know, I wouldn't mind staying here. You know. My woman hates it here though she hates the people, She hates the desert, and I love it. Man. I'm getting a tan. That's why i've

So so super Market said, it reminds me of the star card in Tarot. She's pouring water on the ground and in the water the light and the dark, the light and the dark at the same time.

Like acknowledging both, Yeah, because essentially they're both there, you know. And I think we all have that aspect of ourselves as well, you know, and when you're you know, someone is fucking with you, and that little bit of the darkness comes up because you just want to like kick some ass or you know what I mean, or say something mean to something. That's all in us. It's not like I step.

Everything, every one of us, you know. And you know, sometimes good people do bad things, sometimes bad people do good things. You know, Like you know, I mean you were you guys remember high school? Uh did you know?

Yeah, yeah, you know.

So I'm still curious too, though about why the demons work faster. That's one thing that because usually I can like, okay, that kind of makes sense, but I really just don't understand why that is. You know, is that across the board with a lot of the people that you've spoken to, or is is that.

Just I mean, is it possible that it could just be a psychological thing that you know that the demons are a little bit more promiscuous and you're not necessarily asking for permission if it's good or evil? Like, could it be that too?

Yeah, there was some of that. You know, angels work really slow, they're pretty safe, they're really healing. That's the

So uh huh.

But you know, if you're cleaning your aura and you're doing energy work and all of that, you know, you're not gonna it's not like demons are gonna make you look ugly, you know. But but I definitely, I definitely think angels you're gonna look better. You know, you'll basically look more attractive if you work with a lot of angels.

More luminous, right, interesting, Kara said, I feel like it helped me back thinking I had to have everything perfect if I truly started practicing. But magic really is about being playful and learning from your intuition.

Yeah, and that's a good point too. It's you know, so when I first started taking magic like super serious, I was doing a lot of the planetary magic and everything, the whole thing of like everything needing to be pro perfect, you know, because because you have a specific day an hour that you get to do everything, Let's say you get off work a little late, or let's say you know, you, uh, you got homes late at night and you just fall asleep and you don't do your evocation, it screws up

So, yeah, that sounds bad.

But I agree with that, especially the whole playful thing. I think that's a powerful manifesting tool.

Just being playful right, which goes along with you know, if you feel like you're not doing it right or you're putting too much too much on it, you know, like you're putting too much effort into and now you're not really having fun with it. Now you're just it's too stringent, you know.

Yeah, well, you know that depends on your life circumstance, because something some uh, some things come up and it's hard to uh, you're so emotionally invested in it, it's hard to you know, it's hard to put that aside.

You know, and in that case, just don't go through with the right or or whatever you.

Or you can hire someone else, you know. So yeah, so it's also that you know, like, because if I'm not emotionally attached to it, it'll be easy for me, you know, JS. You know, yeah, it's no problem for him. You know, he's going to sacrifice the chicken anyway, you know, as well do it for you put on the schedule. Yeah, totally, no more quails.

He learned that lesson the hard way.

He said, his veins turned cold. Dude, That's that's terrifying, dude.

Magic. Magic is a trip. The way it manifests sometimes, the way it'll change your physical appearance is a trip.

You know.

That's like one of the main things. You know, if you like, if you work with like, uh, really masculine gods, you'll probably start taking on some masculine features. If you work with like really feminine like goddesses, you're probably gonna start taking on some of those. A lot of people that work with especially the death current, not just necessarily something dead people, but really work with the death current necromancy, a lot of those people start, you know, they start

You're you're literally embodying it.

Yeah. But but but there's people that that work that that don't have the same side effects. So you know, there's a way around it. You know, I've never gone really hard on the whole death current thing.

Well it's that actually makes sense. You know, electro Nick working with the Pleaadians, and I don't know if you've ever seen a picture of them, but they're always usually beautiful and so of course.

Embodied embodied.

So but yeah, super Mark, you said make higher self decisions.

Yeah, totally on. And that's hard for some people because some people are just so dense and in their ways. I mean, how many people are even conscious of the decisions they make?

Well reactive right, not like biblical or anything, which I think that there's like a lot of you know, one line bangers in the Bible for sure, But you know, to be in this world but not of this world? I mean is that not it like saying to go with your higher self essentially in so many words.

Yeah, And I mean this place is pretty distracting. You know, you come here, you know, stuff starts happening. Life happens, and you just kind of, you know, forget about your whole mission, which your mind is wiped as soon as you get here anyway, so you don't, you see, forget what your mission is right from the get go. But you know, then life happens. You know, you go through a breakup, maybe someone gets strung out on drugs. I don't know.

You know, it's funny, it's interesting how that works out. You know, we're we have information around us, like so much more so than ever, but yet we also have more of the distraction as well.

You know. It's oh yeah, and everything's so oversaturated. Now that's a that's a real problem in the age of information, you know, like too much. Like like TikTok is just like a billion hours of nothing, you know, you know, apparently there's some good stuff on there. I don't know, but I hate TikTok.

Heude. I love it personally, It's one of my favorites. Dude, I can I can stay going down a you know, a rabbit hole over there as long as you like type in the search bar what you're looking for, then you prevent yourself from stumbling across information you don't really care about. But yeah, Kara said, I would assume it's got to be about respect. Darkness is not equal to evil, contrary to what the world wants to put on it.

Oh yeah, that's something you know, I always talk about when people bring up evil. You know, it's like can you even define what evil is? You know, like are wolves evil or lion's evil or alligators evil? You know, this is just like everything's a part of creation, you know, it's a it's a an ecosystem.

Yeah, And I think they use that term dark you know, every time they're just trying to explain something that they don't fully understand. You know, as far as as far as you know, the cosmos go, there's like the cosmic web, and everything's kind of expanding in a manner that almost as though there's something connected to everything, you know, And they call that dark matter because they just they know it's it's there, but they can't quite figure out what

Yeah, see that dark matter was another like ad hoc thing that they just kind of threw out there because you know, observation wasn't matching theory. So instead of going back and maybe reinvestigating the theory, they just threw something together that it makes sense.

And to be honest with you, I kind of think that whatever that is, because they don't know what it is, I think it ties into everything that we talk about here, the metaphysics, and you know, it has something to do with what makes everything possible.

I mean it could be the etheric grid.

Mm. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Yeah, I mean it seems to connect everything together, and so I mean we call ourselves the one you know, it's like that's that, you know, But yeah, I don't know.

It's all like the Silver Court attachment or some shit.

Yeah.

Nick said, what's y'all's opinions on dejav vu? What is your opinion on dejeu vu?

Byron?

Uh? Yeah, you know, when when I was a kid, especially and it still happens now, but when I was a kid, it was like every day but I would like wake up and uh and dream what was going to happen to me throughout the day, you know, and there would always be like these key things that I would always try to like change or change the outcome of, and I never could uh so, So I don't know, man, I've had profound experiences with it, and uh, it's it's but that experience as a kid kind of I have

Oh it's your destiny, destiny. Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's pretty inter I actually, I kind of I don't know, just with how my mind operates, especially these days, I almost look at deja vu in the same sense of synchronicities, you know, like the how how we would look at a synchronicity, like whatever your special number is or whatever is special to you, and it always just so happens to that you're able to catch it, whether it's you know, one to eleven or eleven eleven or four forty four

Yeah. So me, like, I think dejevo is either like remnants of our past life or has something more to do with predestination, you know, like the events are just playing out the way they're supposed to play out, you know.

Yeah, I go back and forth with that. As far as the predestination thing. Yeah, dejah vou is one of those things that it makes you it forces you to think that way. You know, it's like this must have happened already, and if so, then did I have a choice upon arriving here. You know.

It's one of those like loaded like theosophical debates or whatever like conversations you can. It's it's such a loaded thing to debate about, you know, predestination or free will. Yeah, you know, and I'd like to think that there's some free will, like with enough hard work, and discipline. You know, if you get really good at magic and psychic development, you and you fortify your will power and have a

I mean I like to think about it, you know, to pull a line from Joe Dirt, it's like I like to see homos naked. I mean I like to you know, like to see what it's like. A life is what you make it kind of situation. I don't know. I mean I think that it's all about like how you look at the world. It's always going to interact, you know, according to how you're like through the lens that you're looking at it like it works with you kind of thing.

That's that's life of life of garden. You did you make it work?

Dig it. So moving on, Britain said, I'm thinking if demons are closer to our density, that might be why they work faster, because they are more at our level versus an angel that would be at a higher density. It would take more work for them to shift down

Uh? Yeah, yeah, I totally think so. Yeah. With the with with the angels, I mean it almost there's times, especially like when you're new to working with them, there's times where it almost doesn't even feel like they're in the room with you, you know, But then you'll start noticing changes in your appearance and changes in your life

Yeah, that's what brit says, or it means that you're here, but you're not really from here. And that's that's the conversation rate there, right, like, because so many people are attached to this human body and that's how they believe

I don't know, just ever tell you guys this story when I had my memory of dying and incarnating into this life.

Yeah, I believe he went over that.

Yeah, is a car crash or something, wasn't it.

Yeah, I died in a car crash. It looked like a late seventies model car. And I remember just being in a lot of pain. I think I was upside down. There was parts of me hanging out that shouldn't be hanging out, you know. And uh and I remember, like, uh, at this, I'm like three years old when I had this dream, like three or four years old. It's partly closer to like two or three, because like I said,

And uh.

And then I looked behind me to see what was behind me, and I see like a silver light that's kind of further away, almost like a tunnel, and I wasn't sure which way to go, and I hear some voices calling for me down in the silver light. And uh, so before before this happened though, like, so I'm not sure which way to go. So then I try to remember my past life, because my life just flashed before

Wow.

So so I heard these voices down the silver Light and then I decided to kind of just kind of creep over there, like maybe I could get a closer look, and I got sucked into it, and then I yelled at myself, don't fucking forget this time. And then I wake up in the car and I'm like, forget.

What that's a trip.

So so I think the silver light is the reincarnation trap, and I think the golden light takes you back to source or whatever is on the other side of that end. But I had this realization associating it with the Tree of Life in Cabala. I think it was after the Cult of Conspiracy interview that I did. I think it was like right after that, but I started thinking of

Sure?

The what is it called, like the Cephyarroth or some ship?

Yeah? Just tree of life? Yeah, yeah, Cabala tree of life, the basic glyph that everyone knows with all the sphears and everything. Right, yeah, I.

Got you here.

And so I started thinking like, okay, if the silver light is uh the reincarnation trap, uh, there we go.

Oh God, come on now, come on back. All right, that was not or we're just gonna stick with this all right.

Okay. So the earth is molku down the very bottom right, yes, so it is the moon that's like right above it. So let's put my soul in that bar going right in between hood and nachiak or whatever you know as mercury and Venus. I'm just doing with the planets, gonna make it easy, okay. So got the Earth, you got the moon, then you have Mercury and Venus going parallel right there. Then you have the sun, and on the other side of the Sun is like keither, which which

Huh, which one's the sun? What is it called?

Right there in the middle right here?

Gotcha?

Yeah, so duh right up here. That was kind of added later a little bit.

But the individuality, Yeah, it's not a real suffrath.

It's like it's kind of weird. But that'll also take you to the night side, you know. But uh but yeah, but I totally had that kind of realization that the the glyph right there could be almost encoding the whole reincarnation cycle. You know.

Oh, it's interesting that the sun would be represented by Michael and the moon would be represented by Gabriel.

Yeah.

Yeah, wow because whenever you did that, because the last time you were on we did that, uh, the the meditation where essentially you were guiding it and you called on the different cardinal directions and then the different angels and stuff like that, and Michael and Gabriel. For for me specifically, was like I felt that, you know, it wasn't just my mind, it was just I let go and I felt a full on presence whenever you mentioned both of those.

Yeah, it was the way he was chanting it as well. That really did something.

Oh we're gonna have to get weird again tonight Byron you down.

Yeah, I'll do it again.

Yeah yeah.

But yeah, So so I had that uh, that realization man, Uh, it was I think it was a right after that Cult of Conspiracy interview. I think it was right after that that I had that realization with the with the Tree of Life associating with the Tree of Life.

Are you saying that we opened up your third high over there, sir? Is that what you're trying to say?

Yeah, something happened. It just it just popped in my head like it was like right after right after I finished. Man, it was like right after I got up, I was stretching, ah man, sitting down for like two or three hours, you know, I think that I think that one was like three and a half hours.

Yeah, it was a little while.

Yeah, take for a bit over there.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's not crazy to go for three over there. But you know, and that's I love those episodes for the opposite reason that I love meta mysteries, Like they're so different. Like me and Sean, it's like, all right, we're gonna take something and try and go as deep as we possibly can with it, and there's no hold ups, there's no stick ups. It's just like

Yeah. He has a very intense personality. Smart guy, though, dude, Joey, smart motherfucker, absolutely smart dude, you know, oh yeah, smart guy.

He makes me think, And to be honest, I love that. Like that's my favorite part about The Cold is that it makes me think, especially like earlier, for example, we did an episode with The Cold and it was about some kind of gassing type of situation that was going on in Illinois back in like nineteen forty or something like that, and he was thinking that it had to have been the Nazis that were coming over to America

Know, twelve signs of the Zodia.

Yeah, exactly, And so I was like, of course that's an occult thing. How are you not seeing it? That's screens two.

And the thirty three is associated with the sun, which Jesus is also associated with the sun, you know, So yeah, thirty three the solar lunar cycle, the solar eclipse cycle

It goes up one that resurrects.

Yeah, that's why you have. The sun dies for three days and is resurrected, and we sell and we celebrate the resurrection on Easter, which is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, you know. And when we associate, when we associate Jesus with like the lamb of God, that's like the aries. That's that's that's the lamb of God. That's the first uh, that's the first month in the solar year is aries. Yeah.

I love this.

Yeah.

We're just gonna let you cook right now. That was great in the kitchen.

Yeah yeah, so yeah, you know, how do we get into that. I don't know what we were originally talking about, man.

We were talking about the Tree of life and then the gas oh oh.

Yeah, thirty three, Yeah, thirty three, and then nineteen with the moon. The Koran's really big on nineteen, the Bible's really big on thirty three, you know. So, yeah, it's the sun and the moon.

You know, it's just repurposed information, is really all.

It is another interesting thing, you know, And this is something that Zeitgey's kind of got wrong a little bit. And I think Peter Joseph did it because it was like the first time this information was being brought out. I think he tried to make it really really easy because it gets really convoluted because because not everything's in apples apples comparison, but it's clear that's based on the

Oh wow, you know, I have this in the conversation, but I.

Think I think Nimrod in the Bible though, has a similar thing where it gets like chopped up, but instead of gettingchoppedup in the thirteen because you get chopped up in the nineteen pieces. So I want to start looking into that a little bit, associating like again with with the moon and the Qur'an dude I nineteen.

You know, whenever it comes to especially like you know, ancient Egyptian kind of stuff like that, when you get into Isis, Osiris, Horus and Thoth and stuff like that, do you think that like those people back in those days that were let's just say, for a lack of a better word, worshiping these these gods and these deities, do you think that they looked at it as literal or do you think that they were more in tune like spiritually working with the energies of said uh mythological god or both?

Uh? It depends. You know, like part of me thinks that that was something that the priests class, that the higher echelons knew and understood, you know, where uh, you know, the lesser, the unwashed masses, the unclean masses probably didn't know, you know, who knows.

Yeah, the lesser initiated probably took me.

But the thing with the Pagan pantheon, it's a lot it's a lot more obvious with the Pagan pantheon that these are metaphors, you know, for the skyclock and as a result, the whole creation, because everything comes from the sky, you know, everything down here so.

Well, especially the Greeks, right, I mean, I can't imagine they were like looking at Hercules as a literal thing. It had to have been something.

You know, going back to the solar messiahs. Hercules is another one. Prometheus gets punished by Zeus. He gets chained to that rock. It's fairly similar to the really similar to the Crucifixion. Instead of getting stabbed in the liver by a spear, he's getting his liver eaten out every day by Zeus, who's in the form of an eagle. Hercules, instead of having twelve apostles or getting his body chopped up into twelve pieces, they get discarded. He performs the

So they were literally eating his livery.

You said, uh, yeah, Zeus was in the form of an eagle eating out his liver.

That is very like a cultic too, if you think about it like symbolic, I'll say, because if you look at the eagle as a whole, you know, especially within astrology, you got the scorpion and then it rises, you know, raises its kundleini and then it turns itself into an eagle. So that way, it's not a bottom dweller and it's looking from a higher perspective. And so if that's if that was the case, and then you compare that to the eating of the flesh essentially what Jesus was saying,

Uh probably, I mean even looking at you know, sorry, it's being broken up into all these little parts, you know. Uh so, yeah, probably. And you know, the thing with the Greek myths too, was Prometheus was the Greek god that was tasked with creating humans. So he was basically the savior of man. God. He was the one that created us, and then he pays this ultimate sacrifice for

It's all just astro theology at this point, right, yeah.

You know, and there could be some history in there too, like with the Bible of the Koran, because a part of it does read like a history book, and there could be stuff that's dn't in there to look at.

You know.

I think Christians need to start investigating the Quran more.

You know, really why you say that, I mean, just the.

Way the Bible is all big on the number thirty three, and the way we see that in all these psychologa logical operations are pulling off, and how it's associated with the sun, and the way the Quran talks about the number nineteen, And the Kuran actually tells you to go and go look for the number nineteen. Investigate this. They're lying about history, they're lying about this. Go and go

God, that makes so much sense. I didn't know that the Koran was on some shit like that.

Yeah, and uh, but both books, I mean, they've been translated a few times, mistranslated a few times. You know, you gotta keep you know, you gotta be real careful with what you want to hold onto when you read those. But but I do think I think Christians need to start investigating the Kuran, especially the truthers. No but or not, you know, I mean, they're not exactly easy books to read.

So I imagine, yeah, well, very interesting that being said. As far as the moonlight and the sunlight, one being the reincarnation, the other one the strict path to God, which one are you guys doing? Because I think I might, I think I might take the ride again, you know what I mean.

I thought about this recently.

You know.

I'm like, if there's a slim hope that I can remember even half of a percent about my previous life, i'lbeit through deja vu or synchronicity or something like that. I'm like, it's really not that bad here, once you get the hang of it, you know what i mean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For the longest time, I was like, I'm done with this place. I'm going back, you know. But now, but now I start thinking, you know, like think about what I learned in this life, Like, imagine what one more ride could do?

Oh dude, you know.

But then I'm like, fuck, dude, Like what if that? What if that doesn't happen? Though? What if I'm like retarded or something. You know, You're.

Gonna be happy all the time. You're not even gonna have to worry about that.

It'd be really good supply grill chy sandwiches, I'm good.

And chocolate mouth dude, chicken nuggets. It would be good to go, oh.

Yeah, cutting cutting stuff with safety scissors.

Yeah, you know what.

I actually had a thought about this too, as far as like reincarnation goes I and and tell me if I'm wrong or I'm just I like to theorize and philosophize about all this kind of stuff as far as reincarnation goes. Is it possible that the reason we don't remember, you know, uh, why most people don't remember where they came from is because the previous incarnation or the previous way we were living was so different compared to this

I don't know, man, Ever since that dream, which is like three years old, you know, I've been thinking about this like a lot throughout my life, and I have no idea, you know, like it's to me, it seems like a it seems kind of bunk to me that we don't remember our lives and why we're here, you know.

But or if you were allowed to live longer, like if we didn't have to tap out at a maximum of one twenty, if we can live like fucking Methusla to nine hundred years old or whatever.

You know, Yeah, if we were like twenty five years old for like a hundred years, that'd be great.

So wise, you know, and the people before you, you know, as wise as they are teaching you stuff as you're coming up, dude, Like it would be just exponential as far as you know, how wise we would all be.

Yeah, and uh, you know, now there's a real issue that you know, with inoculations and diet GMOs and you know, all the processed foods. You know, like people are are losing their uh their mental capacity younger and younger ages. Now you know, people are going more senilean dementia and pre dementia, and yeah.

It's uh and losing themselves through anxiety, which is ultimately just a disconnection from what you truly are if you really think about it, you know.

Yeah, oh yeah, anxiety and depression, Yeah right.

Right, they're feeding into those thoughts that aren't even you.

But you know, sometimes die but sometimes diet you know it can cause that stuff too, you know. And so yeah, it's uh because because now people's like minds are kind of starting to fade. You know, fifty sixty years old, and uh, that's not a lot of prime years, you know, where you're like healthy and young and capable and ambitious. It's not a lot of years.

I feel like, whenever I'm fifty, I really have a pretty damn good grasp on what's going on here. I hope that I don't die at that age. That would suck.

Yeah, you know, it's my goal to be as young and healthy for as long as possible. You know.

There you go, Yeah, dude. So when we me and Sean we had previously talked on the on the most recent episode about getting you on here, we kind of wanted to dive into what are some possible like simple rituals. Do you do like any kind of simple rituals? An example of that would be, like I learned that if you put like a drop of honey in your coffee, that it's gonna make your day sweet as long as

Yeah, yeah, you know, not too different than what you're talking about. But I'll I'll bless spiritually, like clean and bless my food and drink a lot. I do that a lot, you know. So that's a big one.

Oh man, that's a good one.

Yeah. So that's something you can try with your coffee when you before you put the cinnamon in it, like like bless and clean it and then put the mean sugar put the sugar or honey in it.

I mean, I've also been told that going winter shins or counterclockwise is uh is better to stir your coffee in the morning. I don't know, you know, it's like getting in the flow of just the flow.

Yeah, I uh, I guess like if I'm cooking like a pot of food or something, I'll stir it really like at a steady pace, you know, without clanking on the edges, and then I'll bless it and then really clean it and kind of use of divine words of power and stuff while I'm doing it. And uh so, uh so do you say you're told to go winter shins?

Yeah? Because I believe it's because if you look at a lot of the the the spiral like things that are within nature, whether it be shells or just certain flows of water and stuff, that it's always usually like, uh counterclockwise.

Oh okay, I wonder if that has something to do with why Mecca they walk counterclockwise around the Kaba?

That can be I think that I think came up too because.

I was always wondering like, why did they what do they walk withter shoons? You know, why they walk counterclockwise? I was always wondering.

That it makes mirroring nature?

Yeah, makes sense?

What makes sense? You had to go with the flow of what everything else is already doing.

Yeah, even though everything goes clockwise over the earth, it still makes sense to me. It's like flowers and everything that's coming manifesting down here is counterclockwise. It doesn't make sense.

Oh yeah, good point. So all right, well I think that you know, we're probably gonna wrap it up here. And uh, Sean, do you have a card?

Pold sir, Oh, I have too, if that's okay. So I got the Ace of wands, get and the two of one's.

Oh, right next to each other.

Yeah, the two of one's is very interesting looking.

The ace of wands and the two of ones. Yeah, they're back to back. So uh the Ace of Wands, the gift of creation is presented from divine be open to exciting new possibilities. The Ace of Wands brings the gift of a new beginning rooted in passion and creativity. The hand of the Divine emerges from a cloud, offering a single wand of visionary inspiration sprouting green leaves. Beneath the wand is a lush landscape that includes a castle,

Yeah good, Why I keep pulling it? Man? You know the taro's like, uh, loose a mite heavy, Yeah, do something.

It's almost like it's almost like the fool card if you think about it. It's a new beginning and maybe it's just another chapter.

Yeah. All all of the ones are basically new beginnings, you know, and then the twos are like a fork in the road or decision you have to make.

You're on one because it says the upright key meanings to the two of One's is choice. So that's interesting. So it says a choice to expand your world awaits do you stay with what you know or choose the unknown adventure. The two of Wand's card is an invitation to ponder the future. A man looks out onto the vast expanse of land from a position high up in his luxurious castle. He he has already established his position

That's awesome.

Well, I mean speaking of you know, the new beginnings and possible possible partnership. You did start a church and you may have new apostles, So.

Got one more time.

I got to plan many seeds, and you know not all of them are gonna sprout. He's got to make a suggestion suggestion, you know, that's all. Yeah, dude, Byron, do you have a like a website or anything for your church yet?

No, not yet, but uh, but but that's that's the plan, you know, because I don't want especially for the church proper. I don't want just a website, want a forum to you know, community. But as long as I have a newsletter, you know, that'll be fine. But it would be nice to have a an actual community, you know. I could do that on like Telegram or something else, I guess.

Yeah, man, when you get that going, man, just let us know. Dude. Yeah, I will be out there and let the one know.

When when are you when are you thinking about whenever? Like the next steps of actually starting the Patreon and starting the the basically internet church at that point, Like when when do you plan on starting that?

Uh? Probably before the end of the year.

Awesome, Yeah, we'll definitely.

But I have a lot of stuff coming out. I have a bunch of new products, uh coming out. Uh one one for become a Living God publishing company, and then I have more machines for uh myself and uh Jscarrett dot Net and uh and then uh I'm talking with someone later this Yeah, so I got I got a few things going on. Uh, some things I don't want to talk about quite yet until more into the fruits of being manifested, you know, the ball going a little more. But yeah, I got a lot of stuff going on first.

So but uh, you're a busy man.

Yeah, and uh, I'm gonna be releasing some really beefed up machines here pretty soon. And uh yeah, so so so the first thing I got knocked down is uh the publishing company become a Living God. And then and then I yeah, yeah, I have like six more machines and were putting out pretty soon. Uh so I yeah, so I got a lot going on as far as that new stuff.

But perfect.

So as far as that become a living God, You're you're saying that you you're starting a publishing company.

No, that's a colleague of mine. Uh uh uh, I'm gonna be building some machines for them. Oh, just like for you know that I do for j S.

Oh perfect.

So, but the the ones for U become a living God are like very specific for them, you know. It's uh, they're the only ones that have those ones. So okay, very very special. I don't I don't. I don't know if I'm at liberty to talk about it yet, but uh, but uh, I'll talk to you guys after the show.

I don't want to talk to you about after the show too. I just can't right now, Okay, But yeah, I guess we'll wrap it up right there. We'll get over to Lord Byron's Guided Meditation, which is always so much fun. It was a good time, yeah, dude, So thank you Byron for joining us on this one. It was a lot of fun.

Brother.

We'll see you on the other side and the meditation. But if anybody wants to be able to follow us and support us and join us, we have several different ways of being able to do so. You can come check us out on TikTok It's TikTok dot com, slash meta Mysteries, also Instagram just We have all those links down on the show notes below. But the best way to be able to support us would be to go to Patreon dot com slash Meta Mysteries. That link is down there. If you go over there, you get the

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

So uh yeah, I guess with that being said, if Lord Byron Jester came here and he taught you anything, it's that you don't know what you don't know, So.

Don't just get weird, stay weird inside.

You mine ordinary for behind color, soul, the stars, line in.

The mental mysteries you're finding. They're just sitting and relaxed for a second. Like exhale, feel all your muscles, relax, feel the muscles in your face, relax, take slow, deep breaths. Fill your stomach up like a like a balloon, like really fill your stomach up with all that air. And when you slowly exhale, excel all that air out of your stomach in hell and again, release all your muscles, release the tension in your face. Just take a few breaths,

Bob Hey, take another slow deep breath, fill it up with that white golden light.

And this time, don't just fill it up with that white golden light, really fill that light, intensify and active yo head ball one more time. Yoh, okay. Now visualize an empty sphere right where your heart center is. And now as we take a deep breath, we're bringing that white light, that white golden light down from the heavens, down through the first sphere of the crown chakra, fully let up and activated, through the spine down to the sphere at the throat, fully lit up and activate it.

A hey yah.

Yeah, fill it up that white golden light and really fill it, intensify and activate. Oh and looks and do it one more time, and the heart center is a really important one. So this time when you activated and you feel it intensified, like really feel it come out of your heart and almost fill the whole room, your whole aura, slow deep breath and okay, now visualize you have a empty sphere right in your stomach, just a few inches like maybe three fingers above your navel, an

Uh do, Take a slow deep breath, deal it up with that white golden light, and this time really fill it, light up, intensify and activate. Uh uh, just slow deep breath, bring that white light down through the center column.

Fill up the stomach one more time. Okay, now we're gonna have visualized and empty sphere like right where the grond is, where your root chakra and saquerel chakra are. And again we're gonna breathe in. We're gonna bring that white golden light down from the heavens through the first sphere at the crown of our head, down through the spine, through the second sphere in the throat, down the spine to the third sphere in the heart, down the spine to the fourth sphere in the stomach. All of these

True.

Now take a few deep breaths and visualize Metatron right above your head, and we're just gonna do a short little invocation for him in the spirits of ether. So take a slow, deep breath. Visualize Medatron right above your head with a bunch of protective spirits all around him, all around you. I'm just gonna call upon I call upon Metatron, the guardian of the heavens. Open up your gate, and with the spirits of bay Thor flow through me. Now for this for the next four I guess it'll

Raw.

Now with this one almost filled, the whole room, fill up with the air element. Grow. Now, if you know which the cardinal directions are, which way you're facing, Visualize Raphael standing in the east with the air flowing all around them, the yellow color and the air flowing all around them, with a bunch of the spirits of air all around you protecting you. And now we're just gonna do a quick little invocation. I call upon Raphael, the Guardian of the yeast, open up your gate and let

Ah.

Now visualize the archangel Gabrielle standing in the west with a bunch of that water element behind him, and all around him the spirits of the water. They're protecting you and filling the room. I call upon gabriel the Guardian of the West, open up your gate, and let the spirits of water flow through me. Okay, so now we're

Er h.

M hm. Take a slow, deep breath, feel that light. Really intensify that green light m hm. Can do that one more time. This time we're gonna fill the whole room up with the color of green and the Earth element you could probably visualize like trees and vines everywhere.

I kind of feel like I should deep, dude, I kind of.

Feel like I should have had the camera on. Man. Like, halfway through it, I was like, man, but I didn't want to turn it on on. Halfway through it, I kind of felt like I should have had the camera on. Dude.

Oh that's all good, dude. That was to us where we needed to go. Man.

Yeah, but I just got to say, like, whenever you were calling upon the angels and stuff like that, I was like, God, I love your Byron.

Yeah good thinking the same thing.

Yeah, I could. I could feel it activating in other people, you know. That's why when I was doing the last part, breathing out that that negative attachment to that, to that memory to the moment I could feel someone having trouble getting rid of it, so.

That might have been me I was having because I wanted to go to the deepest, darkest, most like level yeah from childhood, you know, which is usually the darkest stuff, you know.

Like that uh, that meditation man with the angels and stuff. Because you're packing the room full of spirits. And you know, if you do like a like a spell or something after that, or an evocation or something, it's so much more powerful, you know, because you got so you know, you just packed the room with spirits. You got rid of all your junk holding you back. You know, all your psychic senses are basically starting to activate, so you're a lot more in tune magically. So it's a good

Or oh yeah, definitely, I definitely felt the sense that this room was was not just me in here, you know what I mean. I definitely had that sense like the room got a little more crowded, you know, in a good way.

Yeah, I felt the same way. That was, man, that.

Was so good. Like I'm still trying to come back. To be honest with you. I feel like Neo using his eyes for the first time, you know, yeah, what my eyes hurt, So the first time you're using them, you know.

Yeah, it's like it's like coming out of a d MT trip. You know. It's like you know, you're back to normal and you're out of that realm, but you still feel like one foot in, you know, still kind of got that all going.

Yeah, noh, ship dude, damn thanks man. That was great, man. I appreciate that.

Yeah, it was really good.

Quite a service.

Yeah. I thought I thought about like cleaning the ore again and sending it all back to the senders, but I thought the shadow Work one was probably more important. Something told something, something told me to do that one.

I feel like it's the thing that that we just intuitively avoid, you know, it's just you don't want to go there, you know, But I think that we needed to go there, man. So I appreciate you you calling that out man, and making that judgment call, because that was, uh, that was wonderful. Man. I feel pretty good.

Yeah, dude, Byron, you are the man, and uh I think next time will definitely not be three months from now.

Okay, yeah, you know, uh that's just ridiculous.

Let let me talk to uh uh the guy I'm uh going to be building those machines for, because I think we should get him on, because because because he's uh, he's colleagues and friends with JS and Lighton and all those guys, you know. So so we're all kind of like in the same circle, even though I'm like the new guy, you.

Know, but that sounds interesting. Yeah, yeah, all the guys you've brought on, you know. Yeah, the past man, it's been pretty interesting.

He's probably asleep now, but I hit him up tomorrow. He's here in Utah too, He's down in southern southwest Utah.

Okay, yeah, we're We're available every Monday and Wednesday night. We have our said, our schedule, uh schedule set for every Monday and Wednesday night. So whatever one best for you and him, then we have that up.

See. See. I like that, you know because like the closest things the patrons that I have, So Mondays for the moon, Wednesdays for Mercury, right, and uh, Hecatay and Hermes are like my favorite spirits to pretty much work with. Hecitay and Hermes says the moon.

You know a lot of people were Mercury lately.

Oh, yeah, she's super popular. Left hand path and right hand path people like her, so she's pretty marketable like that.

I don't know.

He's a triple headed goddess? Is that the one that I'm thinking of?

Yeah, there's also a double headed single headed version, but yeah, triple head of goddess.

Damn.

So people are kind of rass.

Someone is that? Like Mother mad and Crone also encompassed within that.

I think I think it's different than I think. It's more like the uh, like the trifle, crossworlds like the like like a heaven, Earth and the underworld.

Interesting interesting within that meditation, dude, I started to see like, and it's happened to me before, but this was like a lot more interesting than usual. I kept seeing these three things popping into my field of view, and it was like at one point they were like one would pop in and then the other one would dissipate. This one would pop in, and then there was another one the the other lower corner that would pop in it

There's something magical about just the resonance whenever you're humming like that, like oh yeah with the uh what is it the Gateway tapes. It's about the resonance whenever you're like syncing up and especially you know, hearing you hum in my micro or in my headphones and then me humming along with you. It's like almost like an echoe and internal hum resonating at the same time. I thought that was really cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like to do it pretty slow and kind of basy too, you know. I think that kind of helps, but you can tell. Like the first one I did, I was like, oh, that's a little too fast. You gotta slow that down a little bit.

That was great.

Yeah, you know what you're doing Byron?

Oh? Thanks? Yeah, it's fun, man, it's fun. You know. It's like, uh, like playing music or something.

You know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well all right, Byron. I mean this was awesome, dude, and uh, we'll definitely make it happen again. And uh, for anybody that wants to be able to reach out to you, we'll have your links, uh down the show notes. And yeah they want to come and check out your store or anything like that, we'll have that down there.

Oh sweet. And uh yeah, if you'd like to make a taxiductible donation to my religious nonprofit.

A church, yeah, yeah.

So I gotta I just yeah, I gotta get that going. But yeah, I got so many products that I'm releasing right now, and a couple of them need a little bit of research and development first.

So yeah, well get some game that's cool. Yeah, but uh, all right, guys, Uh until next time, we'll see you all on the flip side.

But guys, all right.

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Open doors inside to mind, leave the ordinary far behind. The colors swall and stars alive.

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