Meta Mysteries| Adam Butler | DMT Field Guide | Exploring Consciousness

We actually just got done recently talking about you on a prior episode about all of your experience with d MT, and in preparation for the show, I went back and I looked at the the video of the only time that I had done DMT, which was last year, and Dude, it's like it's a whole other thing when you watch it, because it almost brings you all the way back, like to that moment of what you were experiencing. Dude, my first time doing it, I had tears running down my face.

It was just so like beautiful and all encompassing and everything.

coming out saying he's got all the answers. If anything, he's kind of saying just the opposite. Let's explore this further, let's get more data points. But to just say like, no, there's nothing here, there's nothing to see. You know, he's just making up shit. I can say definitively from my

own experience that's not false. Now, whether that's my consciousness just making up shit because I'm fanboying somebody, I highly doubt that, especially if somebody is well versed in the DMT space and is well versed in what an altered state and consciousness like, how that affects your visual perception and just how dynamic and fluid and all of the weird shit that goes on in that space, and then just the dynamic movement and the laser itself. What I

saw was was different and above that. So yeah, I know that was a That was an awesome conversation. And I can say since that I've talked to multiple times,

I consider him a friend. I've I've hooked him up with a couple of connections and he and I and I'd like to think that's one of those relationships that we'll just keep bouncing off one another and collaborating in the future, and as we keep expanding our reach and our scope that you know, we can we can approach it because I think we really have the same intellectual curiosity with the scientific bent, but also have no problem exploring the more esoteric and out there and kind of

like unexplained shit, because that's what makes it so meta mystery.

You know, I think that is probably the hardest thing because there's such a and I don't know why exactly, but there's such a stigma on DMT in general, and so yeah, just getting people to look at it, I think it's just I think that's where we need to be man, And I'm loving the work that he's doing.

seeing isn't there. You know, they may have a difference of interpretation, they may have a difference of approaching how you quantify it or you know, how you analyze the data.

But I haven't heard one person. I mean, even like on my thing, I've had some people say, oh, you're just looking at the back of your eyelashes, and it's like, you know, I don't even respond to shit like that, because it's like you've clearly never done fucking DMP and you've clearly never actually tried to meditate focus intentionally to see something in it. And it's like if you did, you wouldn't come up with something as asinine as you know, your eyelashes.

fucking ninety percent is firing, and it's firing together. Parts of the brain that don't normally speak together are are conversing. And that's what makes it kind of like really all inclusive. It's like you know, whenever you look at that information, it's like, well, to be more proper, the reality that we say we live in is more of a hallucination than even the DMT realm. And just just by that science and looking at those statistics and everything, it's not

to say that you know, this reality isn't real. Maybe just every level of reality is a form of hallucination. If everything is all, you know, like stacked up, stacked up on top of each other or something like that. I mean, do you think that like all of that is happening here in a sense like people have said, like it's happening beyond the veil or something like that.

own body. How you know with holotropic breathing and deep meditation that you can kind of get your your body to get to those different states. I'm as much as I'm a proponent of using DMT to get to these elevated states. I mentioned in the last episode that and I I remember and as I listened to it, I was kind of like made this bold claim, like fuck it,

I'm booking my Minroe trip. So I did go to the Monroe Institute last November, and I spent a week there and did the Deep Gateway Voyage meditation and it was absolutely phenomenal. And I mentioned that only because I think there's multiple ways of getting to these elevated states

of consciousness, whether it be psychedelics, DMT. You know, the HEMI sink binarrow beats from from the Monroe Institute, deep meditation, ice bats, there's walks in the woods, there's a lot of ways of kind of getting your body to be

able to be more sensitive to different vibrational energies. But the fact that you have just so many more data points and so many so much more coming in when you're in that elevated state, it just seems to be that, you know, that's where that term of Extrassman's volunteers about the more real than real, and you learn that your body really is capable, even if it's only for a

five six, seven eight minute period. In my case, anyway, I know when I come back, it's kind of like, oh, that's what my body's like with rocket fuel and with the governor off, with all the do dads and all of the you know, the cheat codes and all the power ups.

done DMT. Every time, whether it be looking to try to see a laser, whether it be trying to do in a shadow work, whether it be just trying to explore the depths and realms of of that DMT space, it's always with a really deep and concentrated and expressed intent, you know.

I don't know what the fuck they are. I just know that, you know, you are able to receive information, whether it be telepathically. You know, people use the words all the time like DNA download, I've had upgrades, you know, all of these these terms because it's it's a it's a different way of getting knowledge. It's not just having

some guy speak in English telling you a lecture. It's it's a weird way of absorbing knowledge and you you feel it to your core, and you you know, you don't fucking unsee that stuff like it's it's the sta with you yeah, absolutely, the whole thing does, like you just don't forget it, Like that feeling is so in miss stakable that you know it is escaping for sure.

and put a plural on it. It was probably more close to one hundred. Then I would say, now it's it's hundreds of sessions, which would equate to multiple hundreds of hits, which you know, even one hit is pretty pretty deep.

Uh Ayahuasca is specifically two ingredients. It's the the ayahuasca root and then a shatroun a leaf I believe is the plant that they use for the d MT in that and it's it's the d MT plant and then the maoi plant which allows the body to to not break it down as fast. The crystals are made with a simple extraction process and that's where it's basically comes into like a powder form and if it heats up, it turns into kind of like a wax the and

that's typically what that's what I smoke. Just to answer your other questions, though, the five meo, that's a it's a different molecule. It's similar, but that's where like the Bufo toad when you hit people with the toad venom so that's a five meo. They also make a synthetic fivemeo and that I have not done. That's on my list of things I want to explore. My understanding is that's even potentially like a step higher of just a complete disconnect and kind of like you see even behind

the scenes. Actually, you mentioned Danny Gola. He had a good interview with Zoltan authority from Five Fingers to Death Punch. He goes over his five MEO experiences and I think he did a really good job of differentiating the two.

there's typically two ways of smoking it. You can put it in a regular like marijuana pipe, and you put a little bit of weed or tobacco underneath it so it doesn't just get sucked through, and you know, you smoke it like keif or like you know, dab crystals or something like that. Well, they make rigs specifically for for that purpose. You know that they kind of look a little I don't say crack pipe ish, but I mean they are. It's it's a crystal you know, you pipe.

But my preferred method is, if I'm really trying to blast off and get really really deep, I'll take just a regular weed pipe. I'll put just a tiny amount of weed in the bottom to block the hole, and then I'll put more than I can more than I can consume, you know. So, and in my book, I typically say, you know, three or four peppercorns. As far as size, like, I never weigh anything. I typically just do it visually, but I'll typically put a little bit more than that, and then you know, you can kind

of keep reusing that weed screen. So to speak, because it just absorbs, absorbs all of that that crystal when it turns to wax. But if you can take, in my opinion, that first hit is what really really sets

it off. So if you take a deep, long, powerful hit and really fucking roast that crystal that first time, you're really gonna blast off, and it's difficult to take the second, third and if you can fourth hit, fifth hit, But that's really where you push the boundaries of blast full full, blast off.

good effect on your physiology. But you know, I don't know how much we got into this last time about using it in you know, a sexual or intimate setting where my girlfriend and I use it quite often, where that's where the d MT pen can come in really really good. So you can like the the five ten carts that thhc you know, vape corts come in Basically once you use them up, you can take the top off, you put the DMT crystals in there, and if you eat it with like a hair dryer, basically turns to

an oil and you can vape it. Just just like you're doing.

all in your head, it's all in your body. And once you can make that switch and kind of click, and obviously, like anything, it takes practice, but yeah, that's shrooms can get you into that place where then once again, not to be too graphic, but I mean viiagra on steroids on shrooms for.

this happening. But that so we're in the mix of it. I had the pen there, everything's ready to go, and as soon as I took that hit, I've completely lost my erection. All the blood went from below my waist up to my head. I started completely just going into a deep, deep trip. And you know, in that particular case, she knew what to do, which is just hold me, come to me, comfort me, hold my space. But the good thing again about DMT is it only last five six minutes. So as I'm coming out, we were both

kind of like, all right, what the fuck? Like, all right, we're gonna kind of plan that one a little bit a little bit better because that's not going to fucking happen. But so then we took it to all right, let's try to take smaller hits, and you know, have one person. So again not to get into all the details, but say, you know, she would smoke and I would just service her, so to speak. So that way you know, I'm all arouse,

I'm into it. Everything's good. And then we would switch off and then so that way, we kind of did it slow and we weren't trying to maximize it in ten minutes, and we were really trying to make it last. And you know, so after doing a single hit a couple of times, now you want to push it a little bit further. That pen is great again if if you like sixty nine ing, I mean, honestly, to take a eight pen d MT in sixty nine is probably

one of the best ways to spend a weekend. Not what's not to be too graphic, but if you're into that shit and you're into connecting with your partner and me, and you're inter exploring how your body really it gets to feel all of its its senses in a really profound way.

if I have my kids, because fuck that. But there's been times where, dude, I the only way I can describe it is that I feel like I'm getting fillatio across every single square inch of my body. And it's because it's not just like a one spot thing, you know what I'm saying. Like it literally feels like something is holding you and caressing you and loving you in every single possible way. Maybe it's just that dimension. I don't know what it is, but it's it's like, dude,

it's all encompassing, like love in every way. That's basically what I'm trying to say, Like, imagine being loved exactly how you want to be loved, if you could pick one moment for the rest of your life and live in that, That's what it feels like to me anyway.

It really is, it's it's powerful. And then so then what not to sound too county, but like the snuggles afterwards, when you're integrating what the fuck you just saw, that's really where the work, the deep relationship work can come in. And that's where you know, incorporating the feminine aspects the masculine really being able to understand. I mean, at that point, you're so raw and exposed. There's nothing that you haven't shared, and it's it's it's really helpful to for me anyway

with my own personal therapy and exploration of myself. You know, I'm certainly not fixed and enlightened. I'm still in the midst of my my transformation and journey and all that shit, and.

can then extend to your meat. And I know, in my personal situation, I had three long term relationships and horribly uh and that was because that when I was still you know, a drunk, narcissistic, bligering asshole like all the crap that I was before. Where now the relationships not only with my girlfriend but every person that I interact with, because I extend that same love and acceptance and worthiness that I know I have, I extend that to everybody else as well, even if they're an asshole.

I kind of almost give them a pass and just be like whatever, they're having a bad day or maybe whatever, they're just a prick, but that's their role in life. But yeah, it really helps dealing with relationships. Like you're you know, you you spend three or four hours having a shroom sex tantric sex session with your partner and

you've just explored the deepest aspects of your consciousness. You're not going to wake up and bitch because the milk wasn't in the right spot in the fridge and how you left your shoes in the doorway, Like you're going to be you know, yeah, like you're really going to be thinking about whatever, what's your role in eternity and what's the next step of your soul?

of bad energy. And yeah, you know, I felt it in your voice when you were saying that, and it's like, I feel for you because you're really going to have a protective shell because man, those assholes really will throw that plaque and glob it onto where not only you're not being able to really shine your beauty and light and your uniqueness and creativity, but you're not being able to see the synchronicities and take it in from other people.

So yeah, the assholes around you really have to be held at check.

And you know, not to really pull a scab and you know, try to make the childhood traumas come out, but to really not stand for it, like you know, to demand a kind of resident bubble around you of only an energy that's acceptable to you. And if somebody comes into you like I'm and no, not to just make light of it, but it's like smelling a fucking fart, like if somebody comes in with bad energy, or it's like, man,

what do you get out of here? Like you really there's no tolerance for it, and I almost find it enjoyable. To call out the asshole, to call out the dick, or to call out and it maybe even be like the other day, my friend's eighty two year old grandmother. I absolutely love her, but she gives shit to all of her family members. And she sat there and she was at the house for like three minutes, and she's yelling at him to throw a burger on the grill

because she's hungry. And I'm like, you know, everybody else is walking on eggshells around her. And I went up to her, kissed her on the forehead, told her I loved her, and I said, you know why you are already yelling at people. I said, you've been here for three minutes. You're already being a jerk. And it's like everybody's like, oh, you can't talk. It's like, no, yeah, you can, like

get into the old lady. But as you give her a hug, glover and then tell her I'll get you something to eat before the burger, you know, So it's telling her to go pound sand, but don't come around here to a family event where everybody's laughing joking, what because grandma's here?

You know, and they just like bump into you, and it's like, dude, you know, I want to say something, but then I'm, like I said, I'm not very confrontational, and so I just kind of let it go.

of enjoying the show. Like I would say, the more mundane ones where you're not really having that breakthrough experiences, you know, like you're in a three d imax theater with all of the bells and whistles and you're just enjoying this vibratory home and symphony of all the you know, the beautiful sights and sounds and spinning mondolism. You know that that's enjoyable now. I would also want to preface it.

Most times I'm doing this, it's in bed at night, typically before bed, and normally with with my girlfriend holding space with me there. So it's it's in a very comfortable setting. It's not like I'm outdoors. I don't have to worry about people coming in. I'm about It's comfortable and relaxed as it can be. And that's after a you know, like I said, a fifteen minute you know, session of a prayer of gratitude. So where was I going with that?

data points than your normal walking state. The ones that you really blast through and enter that space where kind of the unexplained happenings and interactions happen. That that's maybe, I mean, it's less than half, you know, maybe one or two out of ten, you're you're really getting that like shit, where it's the insectoid interactions or the alien interactions or but yeah, I guess there's a couple that

I'd like to point out. But as we already talked about Danny Gola in the laser experiment, and I did do a video about that and I kind of shared my experience. But if I could, if you're interested in it, because I think there's a couple, there's two take homes. I really want to take a state about that. First is the first time that I went to do it, so I had spoken with him, he sent me a laser.

You know, I was all excited. I had everything set up, and I don't want to say that I was was cocky or arrogant, but I just mentioned about this process that I normally have where it's normally about meditation and a reflection, intimacy like all of these things. But this was kind of the first time where it was this kind of external third outside, like all right, I want to look at this laser and I'm trying to whatever,

get get data or look at something. And so I had everything set up, I had the I had I had it set u where I could kind of lay on the ground if I wanted to kind of like collapse and just kind of be with the d MT. And I took way too big of a hit that that first hit, and I just instantly like had a semi breakthrough blast off, and it was like, yeah, no fucking way, I'm not propping myself up, I'm not staring at a wall. I'm certainly not trying to not get

a laser in my eye. And I just I wrote it out, I laid down, and I enjoyed my session and I kind of the point of that was first and foremost, you really need to respect the power of that molecule. It's not something really nearly just go into. I would say, you know, I wouldn't just be smoking DMT just to try to see this laser code. I would I would say, probably something that should be left for maybe people that have explored it at least a

few times before looking at it. So that was the first kind of thing is really prepare for the DMT experience. Priority over if you can see a laser or code, or if you have a glass of water to shride the laser and whatnot. You know, really make sure you you're taking care of yourself first. That being said again, because it lasts seven eight minutes. After I kind of recouped, I was like, all right, let's get into this. And

there was so normal, normal DMT state. There's all this dynamic movement that there's nothing that stays still and this really kind of weird physics happens where everything's intertwining and going in and out, and so that that's all happening, and there is that normal chaotic vision. And then if anybody just looks at a laser normal with without any DMT, you'll see little swirly kind of movements too, and some of it's maybe reflecting off of dust. Some of it

is like just that natural movement. And yeah, there's that that that speckle, and then there's also like swirls and there are people that that when they talk about the laser experiment and he's he points it out too, that that is an aspect you do see that and those those are two dynamic aspects of smoking DMT and looking at a laser that is not the code, And to find the code, it's like you have to kind of peel through layers. It really is just really getting to that.

It's almost the best way to describe it is if you're trying to focus in on a microscope, So if you have something under a slide and you're whatever looking at an onion peel in order to get through all the layers, you know, it really depends on how far you are. So if you're trying to find this specific layer of that, you really need to refine that area once you And the first time I did it, I

saw it four times and I smoke. I did four sessions that time, and each time I saw the laser after really excuse me, the code, after really looking for it, and within all the crazy chaotic swirling where there's no boundaries and everything's kind of doing its own thing, there was these streaming lines and columns of very distinct its own It wasn't part of the fluid dynamic.

like a C and then nailone connected. So as these columns were going, it also had these not parallel perpendicular codes that were like skimming through it. And it was a really distinct, separate and ordered set of information that I've never seen that type of order where that it was really, like I said, just ninety degree angles upright columns and something cascading down and then so that first time I did it, Like I said, I saw it

all four times. The next time I went to go do it, which was probably like a week and a half after, excuse me, I couldn't see it. And I tried for a few minutes. I couldn't find it. Then my eyes kind of got tired and I looked again and I couldn't see it. And you know, he uses the analogy of looking at like the old magic eye books, where you kind of have to focus in the image and once it pops, it pops, and it's very clear if it pops or not. But I think I had

a long day. My eyes were fatigued. And again I didn't push it. It wasn't like, well, bucket, I got to see the laser. I'm doing it tonight. So I can see how some people don't see it, or that it takes a little bit of practice. But for somebody that has seen a lot of visuals and a lot of weirds should go through my brain. That was a It stood out as something unique and it had its own structure.

to describe this? You know, you can word it in other ways, but the d MT space alone is really unique and it makes you question our human footing so to speak. This this kind of makes it look like like it just adds one of those like fuck really like I've gotta I better try to now find a compartment to put this little asterisk in about with all this crazy chaos and all this dynamic movement, that there's some sort of divine order or like ye, and it's

not binary because there was more than two symbols. And I want to stress to a lot of people have asked, you know, we'll write them out, or if somebody could have a photographic memory, and what are they? Are they like Japanese single symbols? Are they like hieroglyphics? I mean I could try to draw them out, I don't really not to, And I kind of agree with him that it not to say it doesn't matter. I think that's an important data point and it'd be nice to have

a bunch of people kind of draw those out. But I don't think there's much you could really do with them. I don't you know, there isn't like a so called Rosetta stone or whatever that you were gonna match up with.

really looked like. It looked like what you would see in a crop circle. Let me let me try and pull it up because it is. It is wild.

couple of weird properties. So they said that whenever they went to go retrieve it, that it was really hot, but it also weighed, like, I can't remember the exact amount, they said that it was weighing like ten pounds, like it felt like it weighed about ten pounds. And then whenever they brought it back to the lab it like cooled off, like it went from hot to not just like lukewarm or whatever, like it got cold and it

started weighing more. So it went from ten pounds to like, yeah, like went from ten pounds to like forty pounds, and just in the transition to the laboratory. And so whenever they were doing some scans on it, what they found was is that it's almost like one of those like those Russian dolls where it's a bunch of littleer, smaller balls on the inside. And but the weird thing is is that there's no weld marks, there's no cut marks or anything like that. That how would you get that

in there? And so what they're saying is that we don't even have the technology to be able to do that anyway.

or columns. Everything is just so not that where That's why it was like, oh, I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. And it was like, oh fuck, that's it, and it was it kind of caught me off. God.

Her name is the Quirky Cosmo, and she, like to her soul, believes that we are part that we may be in the eye of some kind of cosmic giant.

of these far out things. And I think even just and I don't act like I understand quantum physics, you know, to the to the depths, but I understand the concepts and things do move in that that way that aren't just based on space and time, and I've I've experienced it personally. How it's like, how the fuck could that happen?

And whether it be simple synchronicities that happen, or whether it be you know, I mentioned in our last thing how I had an interaction with what I considered my future self, you know, so how the fuck does that happen? And so actually, you know that would be a good a good segue too, as that's of our last conversation that was the like, what's the one you know other than that first day where DMT, I say, you know, saved my life and I had my epiphany that kind

of whatever. So that that is probably the most profound experience that I had. The other one after that was the one I mentioned on our last interview, which was when I you know, so you're you're having interactions with a lot of different archetypal entities. You're having some that adjusted,

some of that are more kind of stern. But then I had one where it was a clear what I thought and interact with my future self, and it was a completely different vibe, completely different energy, and it was me kind of coming in to do a diagnostic check and to kind of calm myself and to let me know, like, this is you know, this is just part of the process. So that was one of those Wow, this is above and beyond normal weird DMT. This is really really weird DMT seeing yourself.

think those are aspects of that. But but then so this was I say about how my girlfriend's typically there I mentioned, and also you know, full disclosure that I'm in this transformative part of my life right where I had all this money in the past, where last time I spoke with you, I was still living in my beautiful parents' basement, which this is where I'm still at. They took off for a vacation. My girlfriend wasn't with me.

It was a full moon, and I was My plan was I'm gonna take the opportunity to push it, see where I can go and really have a deep session by myself and not like a ballsy like I need my girlfriend that to hold my hand, but she is typically they had a hold space.

be conversing telepathically, whether it be showing you things. Well, this was as soon as I took that first hit there was no sights and sounds, there was no vibratory hume. I was not in my room. I was not in my bed. I instantly felt like I was basically I don't want to say, like this is where I'm kind of asking too, like putting my data out there, like

what the fuck? What is this? Like? I was abducted and taken out of my room and I was in this suspended space of like this blue gel, this blue area where I couldn't move, which was the first time I've I've so I've never been in a fight in my life. I've never been restricted. I've never been to the point where I couldn't I didn't have free will of my body. This was the first time where it, you know, it seems like it was a sleep paralysis type thing because I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything.

I was in this blue space, and I had a really really clear distinct sensation of like a hot laser scan going up the bottom of my feet and went up my head and then out the bottom of my feet. And if you've seen commercials, there's like this new like rust removal laser where it'll take like an old hammer, old rut right brench or something, and you see it scan up the laser and scan back, and man, I fucking tell you it that it left my feet hot.

It shook me to my fucking core because there was no like I said, there was none of the crazy iMac shit. There was no interaction. I didn't see any like grays or any aliens. I didn't see any beings at all. It was just instant blue space, can't move physically hot, going up my feet, traveling up my body to my head and then back out my feet. And

I came out of that one. Uh really shook For like an hour or so afterwards, I was just I mean, I called my girlfriend, I called my friends, and I was just like I I don't I think I was not in my house or like something fucking happened. And it was way beyond just Oh, I had a really weird DMPT experience where I interacted with some weird shit. This was well, like I said. Was it just I smoked way too much? Was it a combination of too much in a sleep paralysis?

feel any pain, there was no negative sensation. I don't feel violated, there was no like sexual trauma if anything. Like the next day, I felt stronger, I felt enriched, like it really you know, I'm trying to frame it in a way like I was. My body was upgraded. And actually this this is a way of how I've been trying to word it to differentiate it where you know a lot of the profound insights or inputs that

you get now. I mentioned how it's like a DNA download or or an upgrade, because it is almost like this instantaneous new information is now in my body. Well, if we're using that computer now, g like a you know, a software upgrade. That particular night felt that was a hardware upgrade that was like no we're we're taking out the fucking the new the board and we're putting in a new one or where we're adding in a new whatever.

And there was a really like that was not a software upgrade, that was a something happened to my body. And that was the only time I've ever had that that type of experience or feeling or sensation.

it moved up and out. I'm within seconds, so it wasn't it wasn't anything that I mean, before I could even sense that it was painful. It was done and out and right like wow, sitting there with my nose trip and snot being like what the fuck was that? And again to this day now, since that time, I've done it dozens dozens of time, I've pushed it really,

really deep. I've had interactions with enities, I've had all sorts of weird shit since that day, but nothing even remotely close to that, just like complete loss of control. And so we talked about how it's your five senses hyped up times you know, a million and then all these extra senses. This was the exact opposite. It was the removal of my ability to have any sensation or movement, and I was just along for the ride.

won some deep places. And when I come back and ask Alicia what happened, She's like, yeah, you're it felt like I was speaking with somebody else, or I felt like your body was like instantly you were just like a different you were, you know, beating and breathing as

a different being. And she said that's happened multiple times, but oh my god, again she wasn't here this time and no one was here, and that that would be one of those I would really that would be the one session that I would really enjoy to see because you know it as much as I can talk about the crazy out there shit, and I'm all about talking about,

like I said, different states of consciousness. I believe there are UFOs, aliens and sentient beings and all that shit, but I don't want to just haphazardly throw out there like oh yeah, DMT and alien abduction and that's what happened. I have no fucking idea, but the fact that I'm so used to blasting off that deep and then either shutting my eyes and being aware of my inner consciousness in my inner world, or opening my eyes and looking at the tapestries and looking at the fish tank and

looking at all that shit. This was neither one of those. This was instant. Just we're hijacking your body and we're doing what the fuck we want with it.

And so there's there's a wilder there's a wild parallel with a lot of the stories, not every single one of them, but almost almost every single alien story that

we've been diving into. Happens whenever somebody is either sleeping or in some kind of trance like state, whether that is in a meditation or their eyes are kind of you know, glossed over as they're driving, or maybe it's while they have sleep paralysis or something like that, or you know, We've talked to this woman named Karen Wilkinson and she talks about how she for the longest time, for years, she said that she was getting abducted by aliens and they were taking her to the same exact

place every single night, which is basically like these underground tunnels and deep underground military bases, and they were doing like weird familiar with procedures and everything. Yeah, yeah, and so but it was always every time she was asleep, right, And so I think that it does have something to do with the the state of mind that you're in that almost allows you to be able to I guess the best term would be project there.

whether that be exhaustion induced. You know, I'm trying not sleeping for several days or even fasting, you know, And that's why that there's there's a lot of different methods or even you know, the tie into like the ancient mysteries where you're walking into a cave for for ten days and going through all this this purging and stuff

like that. It's like, you know, you put your body through different whether it be trauma or excited states, You're you're going to be able to pick up different stuff. I think that's that's proven, And now it's kind of like what do we do with it?

are you gonna do with it? Like you're doing a lot more with this than you would say buying a new car or buying a new PlayStation or you know what I mean, like material shit that's not really doing anything for you outside of just either A getting you from A to B or B. You know, if you're playing a PlayStation, like you're just fucking wasting your time. Really, So I mean I would say that, you know, it's it does a lot, but you know, living in this kind of material world, we want to try and see

what we can take from there into this world. And I don't know, and I'm not saying that that's what you're saying at all, but and you're.

I think I told you too. I took a year and a half off, I traveled the country, I did the deep exploration with DMT and shrooms, and that was I published my book in twenty twenty three, so it's

been out for about two and a half years. And I say the next couple of things with full humility, but to add on to the point of what you're doing, what we're sharing here, and I think the importance of everybody's voice is important, and if you can just click and resonate with one person, and it's worth doing all of this. And since that, all of these beautiful synchronicities

have continually happened. Where When I went to the in Roe Institute, my roommate was Michael Phillip, So I don't know a lot of people watching the show might be know the podcast Third Eye Drops. So he's got an amazing show. He's got a lot of shit going on. I was on his show, and I think my episode now has like one hundred and twenty two thousand views. It's like, what the fuck is that. I never thought in a million years I would have over a thousand

or ten thousand views. Would be fucking insane. I was on a podcast a couple of weeks ago in Australia. It has over fifty thousand views. It's resonated with a shitload of doctors. This morning, I was on a conference call with a room full of therapists in Australia basically as a like keynote speaker to talk about like mental health and bridging the gap with DMT and you know,

therapeutics in medicine. I've potner it up with a couple organizations in New England and I can share these with you that are based on you know, mental health advocacy and giving people access to information and suicidal health, you know help. And I say all this because never in a fucking million years did I ever think that this

would be something that I would be doing. Then I'd be saying that my words and messages have reached hundreds of thousands of people, and more importantly, my inbox is full of heartfelt messages from people that are sharing the most profound shit from death and horrible trauma and loss and rape and abuse and the most crazy shit. People are sharing with me and saying that hearing my story or read reading my book allowed for them to open up the conversation and it's not one or two or

ten or twenty or fifty. It's really a lot. And that's what gives me. That's why when you was like you guys will like, would you mind having a conversation again, there was no hesitation at all, because it's like, if one person can listen to this and be like, you know what, this is worth living on this planet for one more day and it's worth exploring figuring shit out or no, this guy was in a really really dark place and now you know he's he was able to

shine light on it. It's really worth sharing it. And you know, like I said, I say all those things, not in the like bragging like oh yeah, let's you know I've hit some really high points. Just the opposite. It's holy shit. I can't imagine that I've had the opportunity to have people listen to me that many times, And if I have been giving that opportunity, it only refines my message all the more. It makes it even more personal and raw. To make sure it's not just

sensational laser and lights and alien abduction. It really is the heart of it is, in my opinion, self exploration, mental health, knowing yourself, and really trying to understand the big picture of what the fuck are we doing and as this human in this experience right now, right here, And that's an answer. I have no idea what it is, but I know it's not prescription pills, alcohol, sixty hour work weeks, just stacking money. That's definitely fuck being in

a loveless, sexless marriage, definitely fucking not it. Uh, definitely not it.

But so I had a dream and this is my first like dream involving an alien, but like the first one where I've communicated with them in a dream, and so I get I'll just try to like it was pretty like intense, but I guess I'll just summ it up to like what I believe to be the most

important point. So I was in my driveway and a UFO just like materialized like in the sky, like pretty low to the ground too, and I was like, oh, that's like pretty fucking cool like UFO, and then it like flew over the house and then I was like okay, So then went through the house ended up on the back deck and then this UFO, the same UFO is like hovering above the yard and the alien who is you know, I'm assuming piloting this UFO is on the deck and at the time, like I'm having people over,

and there's like it's nighttime, but there's like people in the pool swimming and people on the deck, and either nobody seemed to care that there was UFO in the ard or they just couldn't see him because he was just like standing there and like everybody was just going out about their business still like nothing changed. People weren't freaking out or anything. And I like looked at him and I was thinking, I'm like, what is he doing here?

And he heard my thoughts and like he responded to me in my mind and was like he was basically said, like my race is one of many who watch over Earth. We're just here to like like watch you protect like we don't protect Earth, and keep an eye on you guys.

And he was like, I was like, oh okay, like and then he was basically saying that there's like a war going on right now and it's been going on for a long time, and to us, it's like a spiritual war, but it's like very much a real thing that's happening like I guess like physically, but not like

to us. It's like energetic to us. And he it was like I looked up to like the sky and it was like he took this like lens off of my eyes because when I looked up at the sky, it was like I just seen a whole bunch of UFOs everywhere. It was like if you could like imagine a meteor shower across the entire sky, just like in every direction, That's what I've seen in It was like everywhere.

And I was like, oh shit. And he was like, I was like, so is this like the war And he was like yeah, some are bad and some are good aliens or whatever. And as soon as he said that, one like a UFO like ziped down out this guy and like there were these fireworks that were in the yard and it like levitated the fireworks up. But as soon as it got into like their ship, their ship like blew up and the fireworks went off. And I was like, why did that happen? And he was like because they can't.

to like physically interact with us in a sense. And like it's really hard to put into words, but like when he was telling me, in my mind, like it all made sense and the dream and I'm like, okay, like that that makes sense, and like the entire time that I'm like conversing with him, I like just feel like I don't feel scared at all, Like I feel very calm. He had like a very wise and protective energy about him, and it was like, but that was

that was pretty much it. That was the dream. But it was like a super I've never had like a dream like that. I Like, I've had crazy dreams, but that one was like crazy and coherent, like it made sense. And so I just wanted to share that and see if anybody kind of had a similar has had something similar.

just regurgitating it. Or three, the shit's fucking real. The message she got is very similar and aligned in parallel, which has got not gotten what I've heard from multiple people.

But it seems fuck as I'm getting goosebumps, like giving my ticke, But it seems to also be like what human history has been saying for thousands and thousands of years, or like what everybody has kind of been saying from all different ancient wisdoms and religions, and my understanding all of human history kind of says a similar story to

what she just beautifully articulated of those three options. Without knowing this young woman, I'll give with the benefit of the doubt that her, her body, her vessel, whatever some way was able to have that veil removed or refined, or her antenna able to pick up that type of information,

and she saw an actual intellectual download. And if I could, whether it's bullshit and made up or not, it sounds like this that experience is probably gonna have a lasting effect on her and it'll probably alter how she does whatever. And I think, whether it's quote unquote true or real or not, the last thing, physiological effects and how that will change her way of thinking and potentially in a positive way, is the important thing similar to like a

DMTU psychedelic experience. It's like, however, for any of the nay says that would be like oh pooh pooh, Well, I think that will give her a beautiful outlook on life and a helpful one. Yeah.

better understanding about something. And I was just like, man, that's crazy because the only I only had one other dream involving an alien before, and that one was like scary kind of I was just like walking down my road and I just appeared out of the sky again and it was like in front of me, but like we didn't have a conversation or anything. And this the one, the alien and the dream I just had a couple

of days ago. He like appeared kind of like human looking, but like super sharp like chisel kind of like super like defined like facial features almost like to the point where like you know he's not human because he looks too kind of like carved in a sense, and like it's very smooth skin and stuff like that. And then like the eyes you can just kind of tell like a different, you know, not a human energy about it.

But in the dream I had months ago involving alien, he like I don't know if it was like a reptilian because it was like green kind of I don't know, like you know, all the races out there, but it was like green and scaly, but it wasn't super tall like how they'd say, like like the draconian ones are and stuff. But I felt really scared in this dream. And in this dream, my sister like she was with me.

We were walking down the street and I just like put my arm out in front of her to like, because she's younger than me, to like protect her kind of. But I would just like didn't want to take my eyes off of that one. And I was scared in that dream, But this one I was the complete opposite. I felt safe, I felt calm, and I was like I enjoyed kind of like being in his presence and learning from him.

pulse it. There's a lot of research and data out there that shows that DMT in another person And I mentioned this I believe on the last podcast, and he's somebody I can I can probably make the connection with Anthony Peak. He's written a bunch of books about neo death experiences and altered states of consciousness, uh temporal epilobe

epilepsy like migraine, headache, ores and stuff like that. How people that have those states really kind of have like these psychedelic visions and time lapses and are able to go into these really transcendental states, realms, whatever. But he he always brings it back to d MT and the natural, indogenous aspect of it, and I think that's always there,

that's always present. And then you know, if you're doing like what we've been talking about, if you're bumping that up with the external hit and I would you know, as we're talking about it being indogenous. That first day, when I took that very very first hit, it really

did feel very natural, very neat. It wasn't scary. There was this kind of nasal sensation, nasal cavity sensation, excuse me, that was very familiar from a childhood kind of time where it just it wasn't a scary as much as all you everything is changing and you know there's a lot going on, but it did feel normal, natural, organic, indogenous. I mean all of those words. It wasn't foreign, a familiar or alien or drugging or any of those things.

this really is DMT. You can taste it. And you know, if I hadn't smoked it prior to I wouldn't have really understood or realized that. But that ties into I remember very specifically living in a childhood house. I was seven eight years old in my neighbor's back hallway. For some reason, I got instantly put to that time in that space where I had that same sensation that I remembered.

I have a very you know, like photographic vivid memory, but it instantly brought me back to childhood sensations of swallowing snot in that hallway. But it wasn't snot. It

was in dodgenous d MTD or leaking cerebral swinal fluid. Oh. You know, there's a lot of theories of I think somebody called like golden nectar, Like it's been like talked about that if you if you were able to get your body to vibrate and hum, you're able to kind of release it and that when you smoke it and obviously now you're inhaling it and it is you're tasting it.

Fully because it's in your mouth. It's a very similar taste, smell, feeling then when you're when you're doing that deep breathing.

gis map of it. But more you know, are there similar shapes? Is it? Is it moving, is it morphing, is it dynamic? Is it three dimensional or does it seemed to be hyperdimensional? Are the entities? Are there not entities? And I think that's where and so now I've done it hundreds of times. Like we mentioned, it never gets easy. It's always I'm always kind of nervous going into it.

It be maybe similar to you know, like if if you're a snowboarder or a skier, if you're going down like a triple black diamond and it's icy, even if you've done it a hundred times, you better be cautious and give it respect because one false move and you're gonna get slipped and you know, go off the trail and die. And it is kind of like that type of respect and reverence where if you if you think for one second that you're gonna go in there and kind of do your own thing. That's where I can

get a little bit, a little bit off. But I've had when I was first like that first few months, I felt as though I had a welcoming committee where it was those gestory machine LF type things where I would come in. Uh. And I've discussed this on quite a few other you know areas, and I don't know if it was with you us or not, but it was like I was like an animal at a zoo. So when my human consciousness would get lit up by by d MT or almost like a firefly in a

dock field. When I got into that space, they would kind of be able to glob on and see that this, this human is now glowing with this like d MT. And once I started going into it and going into it often, I felt as though they kept coming back to me excited that I was there, like they were was this kind of like welcoming committee. But it wasn't every time like oh, yeah, that's Jeff d l for

that's whatever, you know. It was more just this is the weird group of the And I could see where people call them entities or excuse me, jesters or machine els because they were that kind of fun amusement parky light, you know, come with me, come with me, let me show you type energy. But then maybe to answer her point too, that some of the other kind of common

archetypes where you know, people talk about insectoid or mantis beings. Again, I think this is it's going to be colorful language and everybody's going to have their own way describing it. But I could see the distinct difference between the small, typically tinier jestory elves and these beings are what I consider like the mechanics or the technicians of that space where they're the ones that are kind of coming and

interacting with you. In my opinion, I've had those insectoid interactions where they either showed me how to use my body properly, whether it be to breathe properly, pulse fluis properly, it showed me some of those extra senses in what they could do, or in a couple of cases, they kind of actually took control of my body like a like a transformer glob on or like like that venom suit where they you know, you'd get into that space, they would be an interaction and then they would come

in and really kind of like play your human instrument like a professional artist and musician knows how to play a human instrument where we as most And that's kind of like a good takeaway where up and until you really know the limits of in the power of your human musical instrument and how it can be played in all the different ways it can make notes, you really

don't know how divine and how beautiful you are. And that's what those mantispians are, those insected being said did for me where they're really you know, they're shown you all the bells and whistles of this this human suit. But so there are those distant groups, and then there's the pleasant, motherly feminine archetypes that are really nurturing and loving, and you know, some are sexual, some are not. You know, there's.

It's really just to go in there and give thanks. But then there are some some other times where I'll go in there and be perfect honestly, what am I gonna do with my next career path? What? What? How do I align with with what's true to me? Whatever? How do I get laid next? Who am I gonna like? Whom I get a date? Like? You know, sometimes that are kind of like what am I gonna? Can you give me any guide a direction? But if it you're kind of you're you're at this road. So yeah, in

most cases you really are. You're you're in their realm.

like camping and there's a shitload of mosquitoes. If it's in the middle of the day, turn off your phone and they'll really just be conscious of of what what you're doing, you know, like just like hopefully we wouldn't just whatever, make love willy nilly.

that I didn't get those answers. If anything, I kind of, I don't want to say like got kicked out of the space. But it was almost like I didn't have any fun interactions for several sessions until I made my amends and kind of said sorry and then asked to get back into the club, so to speak.

pushed it, pushed it. That last session when I when I say I had my kind of life changing, life saving epiphany that was also similar to that alien where everything was blue and paralysis, but that that was different where there was also no no hum, there was no sights and sounds, and that was kind of like this this black void of this black space where that's when I got my first I would say, like DNA download, Well, that's when I got that instantaneous answering of a lifetime

of questions. In a split second, they were all all instantly connected.

But one thing that I really took from that is that, you know, I thought that I had like literally deleted the entire world, including myself and my family, Like I thought I legit deleted existence, like I hit some kind of button that fucking ended the program, right, and and it was really scary, and that really fucked with me

for a long time. But what I got from it afterward was like, oh wait, I was still there, So it wasn't necessarily a void, so to say, because a void doesn't have anything in it, And I was there, you know, me as in my awareness of being there, right and so but yeah, dude, it's that really fucked with me for a little while.

the matrix? You know again, and maybe from somebody that like I studied entomology for for many years in college, so I was like a trained scientist in using you know, scientific words, as opposed to somebody that you know, studies religious and you know, spiritual text how they would come to to describe the same thing where it's it's difficult to try to describe the space, and each person's upbringing, subjective background is gonna flavor how they try to describe it.

But it really is indescribable. It's it's something that until you could experience it, you know, it's I mean, just

like talking about having an orgasm. You can talk about it, but until you have one it so you don't know what it is or you can talk about you know, I'll watch your video on how to swim, all right, We'll get into a pool and then you know, that's swimming and it's kind of like you know, have have human consciousness go from five senses at a dial of ten to fifty cents is at a dial of a thousand, and then you know, tell me, tell me what the

fuck that means. You know, I don't know all trying to put it into words, but what I think it means is that it's way we're way greater than I think that we give ourselves credit for that. We are divine and connected to this greater being a source or consciousness or something that we are all kind of a

part of. And you know, showing to kind of what we were talking about, the not to get bogged down with the assholes of the world, the societal plaque, the stresses of everyday life, the social media smunt you know, all the crap that that can clog up those senses and just the opposite, freeom, liberate them, accentuate them, get them going. And for me, Psychedelics and Deem Team particular

really was able to to remove all that shit. And you know too years into this journey now I can honestly say that, and I think I ended the podcast with you last time similar to this. I'm the most happy, content, blissful that I've ever ever been. I still wake up every day with goosebumps.

supported me. But it is accessible to everybody. It's just demand it of yourself.

You're not stressed out and having road rage, you're not yelling at your spouse, you're not pissed at your coworker. Is like you really you enjoy life, and when shit hits the fan and you have bad shit happen, you deal with it. You know that there's a lesson there and that you kind of accept it with grace instead of being a little crying bitch like I would blame in everybody else while being like woe is me, And it's like, no.

all gone through that. But whenever you can finally shed all that off, dude and realize that literally there is a switch in your mind that you can just change perspectives and it's of course, it's like it's it's simple, but the d ain't easy kind of thing, like trying to understand what that is. Like here you are, dude, you're you're you're in your situation, and you're happier now in your situation than when you were big pimping with the with the cheese, right, Like.

not should. You know, it really is a perspective. And there's the darkness and the nastiness and the fucked up ship that I've seen and I've experienced and got the proverbial like girl skull badge or boy scout badge. You know, I kind of said, like my soul sashes. The fact that I've seen all that ship and in the fact that I've had some stories from amazing people that have shipped they had dark shit with me any day on

this other side is a blessing. This. I feel like this is my second chance at life and I'm never ever ever gonna squander again. I'm never gonna raise my voice to another person. I'm never gonna threaten to kill a guy like I did before. I'll never I don't know, I'll never just and if I have stresses in my body and I'm not saying I don't once again I'm not some enlightened soul that's got all the shit figured out. But you know, if if my foot hurts, I won't

just I'll untie my shoe and make address it. If I'm thirsty, I'll get a drink of water. If I'm getting a headache, I'm gonna figure out why. If my relationships are going to shit, I'm gonna figure like, I won't let anything settle unless you know, I'll listen to those those stresses though, those lights where a lot of people just put mask and tape over them and don't don't deal with them. Where I lean into any anything

that doesn't make me fucking happy, I have goosebumps. I'm kind of being like, well, why the fuck not so you way?

the country. And I just actually, at the end of July, I'm traveling from Rhode Island to Oregon to move my niece out to college. So like even that, I mean, and that just happened last week. So what a beautiful synchronicity. Now, Like, what's gonna come out of that beautiful three thousand mile journey? I have no idea, but I'm excited as fuck. And I'm gonna eat ice cream and drink coffee and.

DNT right, And you know, as we're kind of winding down, you know, I'm sure you're probably gonna ask, like, you know, how people get in touch with me and how to contact One of the things I've been saying on a lot of the all of my podcasts actually is that if anybody does want a free copy of the book, you know, I've been sending a ship ton of free pedia copy So if any you know, it's not a matter of making a couple of books on this, it really is. Whatever the next step of my life will be,

I'll figure that out. But as far as the book, I'd be happy to send a free PDF copy If anybody wants it, just send me their email and I can send that out to you.

way of communicating with me. And then Instagram is probably the social media that I use most, and I you know, I mentioned about the most rewarding aspect of all of this is the personal phone calls, emails and messages that I've gotten from individuals that that are really going through some shit. So, you know, I offer if anybody wants

to have a personal conversation call email. You know. Again, not that I've got all the answers, but if if somebody is looking for a reason to spend a give one one day on this planet, I can definitely give you one if you need it.

give off, dude is it's it's immistakable. Like you know that everything that you say, you're one hundred percent you like, you believe it, you know it. Your your body encompasses it. And so we appreciate you.

So you know, it's just about getting all the different perspectives and and learning what all is possible. That's really what we want to try and encompass on this show. So yeah, look, every all the all the one out there. Go check out Adam Butler's d MT guide. It's on Amazon. As he said, you know, you can always just uh just what email you to to get the.

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it's naturally in our body. And and also like for the people that think it's it sounds scary or whatever, like I want to talk to other people who have experienced amazing things and you know, see the transformations in them and how they're looking at the world differently and everything. So I mean, Sean, after hearing Adam fucking Butler, dude, are you more?

don't do psychedelics on that day, you know. And so there's there's a there's a time and a place for it, for sure.

and DMT or that's not ever really the case. It's just that, you know, a lot of times psychedelics get very demonized, and we like to show the positivity that comes from them because the majority of the time, whenever you're talking about you know, organic psychedelics, right, like, the majority of the time, it's something really profound and awesome and great and something that you can apply to your life for the rest of your life. So we just want to show some of the some of the good

benefits of it as well. Yeah, that being said, it is about time for that meditation, and I got an idea, So we're going to get a little crazy.

was obvious what I was looking at. And the thought I had was like, because I want to say, I actually kind of woke up, but I kept my eyes closed and I was aware, and it felt like I was observing consciousness, you know, like it was just like staring at me, like, I don't know, I don't know what that was. But I don't know, man, I feel like I just need longer meditations anymore to really have any kind of profound experience.

like I was in like New York City. Maybe it was because of the sounds or whatever, but it felt like I was moving through alleys and the city and it it was like Groundhog Day for every like repetitive sound. It was like, oh, I already went to sleep and

now I'm waking up. I'm having to go back to work, bang on a hammer, I'm having to do all this And it was just very repetitive and and mundane almost, and and then it it was like then I would you know, I was listening to the elevator pitch to it too, so it was like amplifying and it was like it was more of the same, but like more inclusive or more information And maybe maybe it was like me like growing in my spiritual process or whatever. Maybe I'm just becoming more aware of whatever goes on in

my normal daily life. And it seemed like to be progressing at a weird at a weird rate. But it was like strange because I've never even been to New York City, and so why would I think that I was in New York City, you know, And.

you know, which is really cool. It'll almost just like take take hold itself. And then there's other times where it's like, all right, you know what, I'm just gonna go into as deep as a trance as I can possibly be in, and whatever wants to show itself to me, whatever thought wants to present itself to me. I'm gonna allow it, you know, and just and just see, just be the observer, like I'm not even this person or anything like, I'm just the observer. I'm the I'm the

awareness of this person. Which is cool because actually last night, strangely enough, I feel like I always talk about, like what I thought about last night whenever I was baked in my bed, But this was another experience where last night I was laying in my bed super baked, right, and which is where a lot of my brainstorming happens,

like for the next day. Like normally I'll brainstorm and then I take something from that and that'll apply to the next yeah, the next episode or a direction of an episode that I want to go to or whatever. And I actually recorded myself on voice memos because I didn't have the energy to write it down.

now you only want what's best for this person. So you're not gonna be talking shit about that person. You're not going to be, you know, doing all of the negative things or putting your person in any kind of bad, uh, whatever kind of experience. Right, Like, you always just want the best for your person. And I thought about that and I was like, holy fuck, that's the secret.

you know what I mean. We're always shit talking ourselves, you know, and for whatever reason, that's the deep fault. And I don't understand. Maybe it's the uh survival type of thing. I'm not too sure. But but when you look at yourself, imagine you are standing in.

even give yourself like a hug, you know what I mean. Like, it's just so much easier, it seems like, for whatever reason, to to shit talk yourself or or to feel less than But if you were looking at yourself from outside of yourself, it's a different ball game.