CultXCosmic: Occult/Esoteric Symbolism- Kent State Shootings

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Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode. We have a packed house and even an overflow. I accidentally had two extra people come onto the show, so this should be interesting. We got twelve and I'll have to toggle to in and out. But yeah, it's a Cult Rejects Live and we got a fun ton of people in different shows here and I'm just gonna have them. We'll go through their names and plug their shows and steat of reading

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Net awesome, thank you very much and appreciate you joining us. And then we got Hank. What is going on? Hank? How wire you?

What's going on?

Brother? I appreciate you having me.

Oh yes, yes, yeah, you want to let everybody know what's up where they can find you? Stuck?

That probably help. Yeah, I'm at the six four three double Play, but me and Kyle have a joint venture. You can find us on Rumble at Sunday Night double Play.

Awesome and thank you very much making it. And now we got Kyle aka Chef. What is going on? My man? Please let everybody knows?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Happy Friday.

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Currently we are kind of focusing on the Sunday Night double place, so you can find us over at Rumble, Spotify, Apple, all the patchers, all the all the fun jazz, and thanks for having us.

Well yeah, and what is your schedule? Normally do Sunday nights and Friday Night's live right or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, that's kind of a long story.

So I had a Sunday Night Secret Society kind of going through some changes right now. My old my old co host is unfortunately living on the streets right now. And Hank's co host actually passed away, and so him and I linked up in the midst of all the all the fuckery, if you will, and so yeah, here we are all right.

Well, thank you for making it. I appreciate it. And Nick of course, and next love we got Julia Cosmic Peach. What is going on?

What's up? Thanks for having me, Nick. I can feel it coming in the air tonight. This is gonna be a good one, Cosmic Peach. Wherever you listen to podcast, Thanks for having me. Is it the usual?

Awesome? No, thank you for joining us. Oh, he's appreciating your input and what you bring to the show for sure. And you know what, let's do. Ethan Indigo, sir, what is going on?

Peace on Earth?

Everybody honored to be here and be involved. This is going to be a really epics story with some localism and some nationalism and maybe some worldly stuff I can tell from what I heard. Yeah, Ethan Indigo Smith, writer on esoteric and exoteric, and I'm on all the usual suspects of the social media and honored to be here with everybody.

Well, thank you very much, Ethan. I appreciate you joining us. And we got the man himself, the Headless Giant. What is going on?

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Thank you Nick. You can find me on Twitter and YouTube just look up the Headless Giant. And also if you have any occult slash paranormal slash weird dream stories, you should email them to me. I read them on Thursday nights. My email address is Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and tune in check it out. It's a good time. It's only about thirty minutes. But I've also got a show with Ethan on Sundays called The Trialogue, also with Roberto, so check that out.

Thanks just to check that show out of people having it, it's a really good show. And we got Brooke from doarg Florida. What is going on?

Broke, Hello, fellow rejects. Happy to be here tonight.

I'm really looking forward to the discussion and seeing where it takes us. You can find me on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast and wherever you listen to podcasts.

Awesome. Thank you very much, Broke. And we got my boy Tyrone. What is going on? My man? Please let everybody know what the hell is up?

Yeah, what's going on? Man, what's up everybody?

I just want to say thank you for having me here rebirth atword dot com.

That's everything that you can find about me.

You can get my book Journey through the Origins of History on Amazon went best selling.

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It, man, Thanks awesome, thank you, thank you, And we got Phil. What is going on? Bro?

Not too much? Has everybody doing tonight?

Wonderful?

Wonderful, excellent?

Yeah, just you know, just a reader, Researcher's been lucky to be on your show a few times and I love being able to talk conspiracies, history, deep history.

And I'm on Twitter with Vic Foster.

No, I don't call it x but just happy to be here and whatever the subject is.

Yeah, no, thank you. I appreciate it. Isn't it if there's other content creators out there that I don't know who this guy is. Check out the work he's done on my show. When e we on JJ's show. He's really good at at certain things that he covers. This this guy reads a book that he enjoys, soill remember all of it pretty much. So thank you very much. Phil. You have brought some amazing stuff to the show as well.

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Thank you so much for having me. Kind of a dream come true.

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I've been following a lot of you guys for quite a long time, so it's an honor to be sitting here talking to all of you today. I kind of have no idea how this is for me, So hopefully I can knock this out of the park and get through it without bouncing around too much, because I promise you this information I'm about to lay out is dense. There's a lot and uh, it goes all over the place. But yeah, dude, let's let's get into it.

Yeah, miss Nick?

Oh, who's ap? Oh? Jules? Fuck, I'm so sorry. You know it was from moving everybody around. Fuck my life, dude.

I'm here a lot eloheem, entomologists, sound scientists.

I got a lot of shows that I do.

You can find me on Twitter, great pulled pod, go over to Patreon.

We'll be doing some stuff over there a couple of times tomorrow.

So Yeah, it's always a good time over there and hang out with the rest of the grapst Uh yeah.

Thank you.

I know.

It's a packed house nixt me and very interesting to see where this conversations go.

Like I've said, it happened before where Headless actually had a type in the fucking chat one time. I'm like, Yo, you forgot about so and so.

Please forgotten about me too? U.

So yeah, Matthew, Uh, what's this topic?

Like?

How did we come across this? What's up?

Okay? So I've been, you know, slowly looking at the world around me after listening to all the podcasts, hearing all the different stories, the old world, Tartaria, just everything that's been popping up. If you listen to conspiracies, like even once every month, you're coming across this stuff. So I've just been heavily noticing a lot lately. I've been having a lot of random things kind of fall into my lap. And I'm the type of person who I'm the only person in the room that I know who's

People.

So I was just fiddling around on Facebook. I came across a random post from my local kent Ohio Facebook page. There's a young gentleman who was looking for a memorial art in Towners Woods of my hometown of Kent, Ohio. This art was supposedly dedicated to the four dead, the four who were slain on that day by our National Guard. And I'd been in those woods quite a few times. I've never seen anything back there. I didn't know what the hell this kid was talking about. And a few

Yeah, any way you can send them to them.

Uh, I don't have them quite on my laptop phone. Let me I can send them to you on Instagram real quick.

But I think also, is there some banging going on in your house or something? Because I muted everybody else, I'm gonna tell you right now that shit's loud. Yeah, I don't know.

I can see them.

I mean they're taking a roll down. They're doing like taking ch Rock off.

No, I'm hoping they're going to be done soon. Let me see if I could do like I know, the fourth of July ended like two weeks ago. What are we doing here? Uh, let's see. So there's parts there art in thirty Rock. It's called a tribute to Light, And if any of you have been around long enough, we know that light is a reference to Lucifer. And within that art itself, I found the numbers nine and eleven hidden within the art, Like the number nine is clear as day, and there's two lines that run right

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So anyway, I also found out that he had a cross made out of the Twin Towers literal pieces of scrap metal from the Twin Towers he put together and then put it in Saint Peter's Saint Petersburg Church. I'm trying to find it here, so you know what.

I bring it up went second, guys, I'm sorry.

You see with the private chatties on the side.

Yeah, I see that. I'm just trying to get it to come up real quick. So recently, I actually I reached out to the artist and emailed me back and said I prefer to have a phone conversation with you. He gave me his phone number and I called him. He talked my ear off for two hours.

Was he like weird like he.

Had He was not not really weird. He was definitely excited to tell me everything about the art and some of the stuff he told me though, Like he instantly told me, Uh, now, I want to let you know that the stone pillars they have nothing to do with phallic symbolism. Offer it. Oh, like, well that makes me think it was.

Oh sure, it's always dicks, that's all. But that's all it. Every rays is dicks, right. The guy wants to be lying, So it's always just fucking cox, That's all it is. What it is, fucking ignorant every single time.

Right, Yeah, I am not dude.

I can't get it to come up now.

It's like, I want to be honest with all the guys on this panel right now. Does any of your dicks actually look like an obelisk? Does it have a point at the end like that? Does it look like that? Because mine doesn't?

All right, it sounds like it would be painful.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know how, like you know, having birth would actually you know, work well with your dick looked like that?

But you know, the original the original Washington Monument was supposed to be a giant column, So it was supposed to be one huge column, but they went with the obelisk instead.

It had a whole other.

Garden of columns around it, so it's it's kind of interesting that they went with that one instead. It's also interesting that I guess they had a different design for this one and then they switched to this other one. So it seems like maybe the important works of art usually get scrapped the first time and then they switch over to something else.

Isn't that why they call it the blade, right, the symbolism for manhood. They call it the blade in the chalice for the womb. So everybody just thinks their dick is like a pointed object unless they're uncircumcised, and it's more like, you know, obviously rounded true, somebody gets some uncircumcised dick.

Art the money thing. That's about this too. I'll jump to this real quick. While this was happening in Kent, right down the road, literally down a road called fifty nine in Kuyahoga Falls, there's this. It was one of the first real big TV evangelist churches. I can't remember. Rex Humburg I think was his name, and he built this church in Kyahoga Falls, and he envisioned building this

What's the portal again, It's.

Just a big metal disc. What the artist told me is he took like a he went to a scrap yard and they had like an oil tanker and he cut the end off of it to get this big metal disc in a big circle, and then he cut a hole in it. And the hole is kind of shaped like a person walking sideways through it almost and then again like when you look at the pillars, because he made it out of a concrete, he made out of multiple things. He even put metal in it, iron in it to make sure moss would grow on it

Oo. There it is. I knew it was coming.

Nobody's dying in these events.

Guys staged as a motherfucker stage.

It's all stage. And I'm gonna tell you I did a lot of my research out of this book. It's called The Fourth of May Killings and cover Ups at Kent State, written by William A. Gordon. He was a student at Kent State ended up becoming an editor or a writer at the Akronbeacon Journal. Just a little bit before I came out on this show. I came to the conclusion or the realization that even this book is

Asked, does he talk about the victims in the book?

Like? Not too much? I really not too much. I honestly had to google a lot about the the victims.

Like are we sure that there even real people? Like do they have a cousin?

Do they have moms?

Do they have Yeah, they had parents, but I could not find anything on the parents other than these are the parents of.

May I ask you, what are your thoughts on the audio that came out?

If you're familiar, are you talking about the recordings of the shootings?

Yes?

Yes, okay, so what he's asking very specifically, Yes, this is where that when I started looking at this, I knew I was onto something. We had thirteen seconds of shooting, sixty seven shots fired, four people dead, nine injured. That's thirteen thirteen thirteen. I'm gonna break this down for you too. The distance that they were all hit before who died. Give me one second. Here's the distances. They were all shot at three hundred and thirty feet two hundred and

There's your thirteen.

And William Schroeder was shot at three hundred and eighty two feet. Eight plus two is ten plus three is thirteen. Make it makes sense, guys, And are any of you familiar with mister John Lee Chalbeck and his seventy seven research. Yesd yeah, yes, John Lee talks about Kent State. Not only was the number thirteen just everywhere right there, but it was seventy seven men and John Lee missed this part.

Sorry, man, they actually traumatized the kids and made them put their fingers on the bolt.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Uh.

The memorial on camp, there's there's multiple memorials on campus, but the main one is literally they basically all were shot dead in a parking lot, so they just they built They put little pillars around that parking spot so no one can park there, and they light up at night. So literally, you walk past where these dead bodies fell. And I grew I grew up on that campus, dude. I rode my roller, skates, my bike, I played basketball with the college kids growing up. I went to summer

Matthew, this sounds exactly like a military training exercise, like they're just going beat by beat by beat at the right time to you know, fit into the to the program. So you know, in a military training exercise, they would take you through each step even though it wasn't fully necessary, you know, yeah, go.

Ahead, Julia.

Oh, I was just gonna say, anybody who spread program to kill their ears are just burning because this sounds like the nineteen sixty six Charles Whitman, Texas when he went up to the tower at the school and just started like blowing people's heads off like that. To me, this this is like just a few years after that. So it's it's kind of like they're running the same kind.

Of thank you game. Troubles just said. So, there there was a there was this group called the Weathermen. I believe they were out of Michigan. They were a black rights activist group, and they were rumored to have been coming to Kent that day that Saturday. No one ever saw them but some but nobody ever saw who the fuck burnt down the ROTC building either. They even made a movie about it. Years later, in nineteen eighty one,

That's the process. Sure, they dress up in those wild outfits. They do that all the time. And they were very closely associated with the weatherman, so they could have just been going as the weatherman.

Une. I mean, I don't know, because I never even heard of the weathermen.

But but why, but why did they burn down the r O t C.

As basically as the reason to get the National Guard that was once that down? Very that very Yeah. The very next day, the governor came to town, who was already losing his campaign against William Taft's I think I can't remember. It was a Taft, you know, descend into the president Taft who was also running for governor of Ohio against this guy. So one This solidified A. Rhodes's governorship. Uh you know that that fucking photo op too burning down the r O. T. C. Building was you know,

You got to think about counterintelligence. So this is the perfect rear guard action to take the attention away from Vietnam.

Mm hmm. Now I'm gonna get into too a few more things real quick. I'm gonna because I want to get everybody else's opinion on this too. So we had multiple things that also took place that hit the media afterwards. It was one of the girls who were shot was said to been pictured putting a flower in the barrel of a gun and saying flowers are better than bullets. Anybody familiar to that.

You've seen it in the media, isn't Isn't that like a famous picture?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Also it's also the opening scene of The Watchmen. They don't tell you that scene when the girl puts the flower in the end of the barrel of that gun and then they all get shot. That's they're basically to me, that's one hundred percent Kent State that they're representing in that. Now, another person who was shot that day, he wasn't killed, he was paralyzed. He ended up becoming a politician. I won't get too much into him, but his story too is crazy. Sorry, I.

Don't know if this has already been asked. Was there a name given to the alleged shooter from the Ohio.

Nation, No, it was the entire National Guard twenty three men fired.

Okay, and wasn't there Something wasn't And maybe I'm mistaken. This wasn't there some alleged rumor that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen from the r O T TH.

No, No, the r O T C was already burnt down. It was already a pile of rumble. That happened on Saturday night, and then the shootings happened, uh Monday, Okay, sorry about that. Yeah, no, you're good. Yeah. So that this, this event itself infiltrated culture on a big time level. People all over the world started rioting over this. But the funny thing is about this, once things started dying down, this event basically was the changing point from the sixties

Had something happy, So I think to a degree, like because right after you ad Nixon does the midnight you know, the late night visit to the Lincoln Memorial after Kent State, and you also have not that long after the Houston Plan being developed amongst.

The intelligence agencies, which was going to be like involving.

Further black bag jobs and kind of like centralizing the information they gathered.

And the only thing that stopped it.

Supposedly was Jay Edgar Hoover, who was towards the end of his you know, evil life and was the one who kind of said, no, we're not going to do it. And Tom Houston was only like twenty something years old.

Was coming from us.

All it comes from us. We're funding our own protesters to protest against us. Yeah, and it's to me, it's just they they pull off rituals to invoke change. Reading good question, go ahead, And.

It's about the ritual aspect of this. So you were saying that you really didn't think that anybody actually died in this, But if they were pulling off a ritual, and I get with these false flags, a lot of people don't die. But wouldn't actual bloodshed fuel the ritual and not just the act of it. Do you think that there might have been some actual victims in there, maybe not what we.

Were told, at least some And in my opinion, in my opinion, I've been looking at all these different events kind of through this microscope for a while. They still have Karmen to deal with, So I think it you don't have to I get the blood shed aspect, everyone behind it.

It's probably enough.

Yeah, it's the attention. Like I said, I think we've all been watching movies too much. We have we have to see that bloodshed for the ritual to be powerful. I don't think it actually works like that. I honestly think their lies, tricking us invokes more energy for them.

M hmm. I was going to say, I'm saying if you kill four people, but you have billions.

Now they have the karma on them. Why would you want that karma on you?

And everyone thinks that you killed four people anyway, So in a sense that ritual would work as well, right, because perception is reality, and yeah, no, you usually see there's always something that's a cultic behind all of these uh false flag.

It's a great way to launder bodies, you know, if you've got to get rid of some other bodies and then make them think that it was killed in this other shooting.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. No, I'm also the reason why I'm finally because for the longest time I was riding the fence like, yeah, they probably did die, but I grew up in Kent and and now I kind of live in Akron, Ohio, home of Judith Resnik familiar nineteen eighty six challenger Shuttle you know, also didn't die in her tragedy. So why it's not far fetched, guys, And it's only fifteen minutes down the street from each other.

They just got to make you think that for people died, no bloody massacre in there. Get blood and guts. We're all in the place. Yeah, Yeah, I mean that that makes sense to me. As long as they can get the masses to believe that there was this bloody, horrible, gruesome thing that happened, it doesn't really have to happen, you just need to believe that it did.

Then he's going to say, I want to say, you know, if you look at rituals and ceremonies, what is it mostly of show? Basically, it's entertainment, something that gets people's mind and ideas flowing. And that's why you have different theories in what's going on. I'm not saying that this didn't happen, but I'm just saying that richels and ceremonies is all about entertainment.

I was gonna say, then we're setting up the ritual, the place, the time, the symbols, used everything that Matthew was talking about earlier, h to get this energy pool, this reaction from everybody you know, and at a mass consciousness scale, is would be a hell of a lot of energy.

I'd say.

Now, let me tell you a little bit about Kent City real quick. We have the Kyahoga River that runs through it and on opposite sides of our downtown main street, the river obviously is at the bottom. We got two hills that go up on Main Street. On one side we have a Masonic temple that was built by Marvin Kent,

To me, Kent is actually only a couple hours away from like Serpent Mound in Ohio, and like a lot of these.

A little bit. Yeah, Serpent Mounds more towards Cincinnati, but there's no three hours away.

Maybe if I'm remembering right, three and a half. Yeah, like three three and a half. But I'm just saying the whole area is actually kind of supercharged with some ancient weirdness. And it's like you said, maybe like a Native American or whoever, whoever came before.

Them that you know, they always.

Say, oh, the Native Americans built these mounds, and they're like, no, we didn't.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

So whatever whatever was going on in this area, it's it's anciently old and on.

Certain lay lines or something. Because you know that could.

We're right just outside the fortieth parallel. Yeah, we're bad. I tried. I even went on Google Earth to see because I really was like something was telling me like this is connected to nine to eleven. You just need to see if there's any parallels, and I kept looking at it, and I even went as far to see, like how close are we New York, And the Twin Towers are like right on the fortieth parallel. We sit

Does say about Bob Dylan in this little article, right.

Oh okay, so yeah, so yeah, he was talking about some black people and underground the weather man Underground. So the weather Men Underground weren't just a black group of individuals.

They were a mixture of different individuals.

The Black Panthers and them actually worked together at a time.

They had an alliance.

So that's probably why you've seen them with So this article from I guess nineteen sixty nine, the Bob Dylan that you was talking about, let.

Me see because that zoom be in on it.

Go up a little bit. His name was in blue, go up on it right there. So they're connecting Bob Dylan to this movement.

Well they're saying, uh, let's see.

Well, yeah, the weather Underground, the Weathermen, they were off few to the students of a Democratic Society and by nineteen seventy the did I don't know, I mean, I think what's the named John Kodash in his book CIA is the Drugs Weapons Against Us said like LSD, when it got introduced to people like Bernadine Dorn and what's the name Bill Ayers, they kind of went a little bit more violent. Like Bernadine Dorn was on record cheering the manson murders, that's what you need.

To do sort of thing.

Justn't a couple of c I a fuckers. Wasn't taming up.

Just real quick? Wasn't weather Underground formulated ann arbor with Michigan State.

The Lake Turan. There was like some sort of like conference they had there. That's I think like it was like a formative meeting for them.

The reason because I bring it up is because Miller had trans one of the one of the alleged victims. Miller had transferred from m s U to Kent State in that year, and he had he had done some protesting prior to his Ken State protesting at m s U, didn't he.

Not that that's correct, That's exactly correct. Yeah, yeah, I believe he was also one of the two who went to JFK High schools.

And he was supposed to transfer to New York where he was encouraged to transfer to New York. And I believe the other one of the girls, Alison, she was in a relationship with Barry Levine or something her to transfer to New York as well.

We also had the same name as her mother's maiden name, Barry. I thought that was weird. So all four of these people who died were connected, they all knew each other.

So Barry Levine he wasn't the TV producer, is he?

I don't know. I don't know if that's the same guy. There's so much more interesting stuff I can tell you, guys. Well here's one because Trouble's mentioned it. Thank you so much, Troubles. Just the year prior. Kent State is well known for having a breakthrough in LCD technology studies. That's a billion dollar tech industry now. Best believe when college campuses who are studying high tech stuff like this, especially liquid crystal back in the seventies, best believe the CIA showed up

I did not know that that's crystal.

Liquid crystal was created at Kent State. Yes, so that that's a huge part of the story too. I think I just haven't really broke through to found the connections because there's so many names, there's so much dicking I have to do. Quite honestly, I think I need to go to Kent State and just raid their archives. But I got to find the time for that on top of all this research, I got a full time job over here and bust them up butt.

So that article is Bill Ayerrs.

I believe I just saw Bill Ayerrs in that article. He was related to our former president Obama. I guess they had connections in Chicago.

Not necessarily well.

He was president, but it's interesting I saw that name.

There, yeah, right here right, bring that back up.

Yes, yes, Bill Airs.

Yeah, Bill Airs and.

Bernadine Dorn were Chessa Bowden surrogate parents. When Chessa Bowden the future DA of San Francis day DA of San Francisco, his mom Kathy was on the run for I think a Brins truck heist because at one point, like the Weather Underground went from bombings to just kind of like split up either on the run or being involved with you know, members of possibly what was left to the Black Panthers and you know things like that, and getting

Real quick. I kind of skipped this point to some numbers of the day. When the troops started their descent up blank Blanket Hill, down the hill and walked back. It started at twelve twenty and ended at twelve twenty four, So they took a four minute stroll and turned around and murdered four people. And more numbers for you. It just keeps adding up. But then even throughout history, they

Hosts are work for the CIA.

We all know that. So some some sort of fertility ritual.

Then it's like.

You can say that, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ken Ken Stay's winning like I because I tried connecting everything, because I know it's all connected, so you just got to look at it and find it. Their their winning record was point to to two the year before they the shootings, So the sixty nine nineteen seventy season, their winning record was point two to two. As I have a feeling that has something to new with the ritual too. This

What's that?

I was just saying, I feel like you're spot on with a lot of this. And I mean when you look at these numbers, you go back to nine to eleven, I mean it's it's clearly a Kraalyan ritual with the numbers nine and eleven. Uh, you know, the two towers and then the seventies seventh.

Floor and all I mean, and you had brought up John Lee earlier, and he gets into all that, so does William Ramsey. You know, there's a bunch of.

Good talking heads on on on that subject. But no, I do think the numbers tie into a big to a big part of the ritual.

Yeah, and I almost forgot they were even. Ken State eventually built their one of the it's this trifecta with three other colleges. They have one of the world's biggest collective of medical information in the world. They broke ground and started building their twelve story library right around these shootings happened. Also, so yeah, more fertility. And I can't I couldn't. I can't find anywhere in feet how tall the building is. I searched for four days. I tried

I got you right here home.

Oh and one, here's the point I missed. When Kent State was created. It was started as a normal school, one of two normal schools. That's a huge that's a huge building for my area, all the way to Akron to go to the next tall building.

That right there, you see like an X in the middle. It kind of looks like it's forming a.

Almost like a zoomed out too far, way too far.

I saw swastika. Yeah, yeah, they have.

I don't know.

I have yet to look at the the way the campus is laid out. It's changed all a lot in the past ten years. Kent State is get us on Google or they're getting so much money that they're they're starting to buy up the city, the downtown city area, putting up hotels and stuff like there. The campus went from being just you know, having a nice little campus that like it's pristine as fuck.

Now it's definitely still man.

Kent State started off as a normal school. It was a teacher's college. In nineteen eleven, h the college kind of broke grounds for its campus. It opened its doors on nineteen in nineteen thirteen, so there's a number thirteen again. But it started off as a teachers college to teach people how to become teachers. I couldn't find anything, but my brain instantly went to, oh, this is part of them installing the Prussian school system, wasn't it. You're teaching

You know what's interesting, skinny puppy, They I mean associated I think the Process Church, and they have an album called The Process. I don't know if the song was off of that album, but they do. I'd never understood why, but like in one of those songs, they mentioned Ohio, Kent State. Back in sixty eight, things was so great. I have no idea what the fuck out had anything to.

Crosby Stills, Snash and Young Laurel Canyon also have the have a song about Ohio yeah something I also wanted to.

Bob Dylan even sang about I had a song about Sandy who died. Yeah so yeah, yeah. Her name was Sanders Schuer aka Sandy Lee. She was one of the girls who died. She was from Youngstown.

Matthew, Matthew, real quick before you continue. And I think it was more because the Jewels brought it up talking about like Crowley stuff with nine to eleven. Every plane that that you know was involved in that. I know, like you know, hellless and Lisa and Ethan will play her this hundred times out of my mouth. But the planes, all the planes that you know were used, they all go back to uh act, those numbers else the Crowley whenever he made his books, he always like gave them

But what Headless was saying about this being a fertility ritual of some sorts. Maybe the artist, that guy you were first talking about, maybe he kind of knew that, and that's why those obelists look like fallasis.

Okay, let me go back to that real quick, to him real.

Quickly that by the way.

Of we're on Google Earth, we could probably zoom.

In it was a portal or you know the what you said you saw it saw on my.

Phone and go back up. Let me eat.

We gotta find the forest.

Guys, Nick, I must send you some stuff on Instagram.

Well there's a private chat right here quick.

Please, Hey, I'm want to re share this.

I was.

I was in the forest, man, but there was nothing that you could really see in there. Man, it's just like a trail.

And no, it's hating, bro. I'm I'm gonna show you guys some pictures.

Give me one second.

I'm find anything that that was really got interesting to look out.

It just looked like a regular trail.

Over.

The portal fell over. I'm gonna show you guys the picture. The portal's completely knocked over. And I talked to the artists. He said, if you and some friends want to grab a back hoe, because it's definitely going to take a backo to pick that thing up, you guys can put it back up for me. But he doesn't care. He's like, I don't care if it'sknocked over. I wanted it look like it's ancient and it's been there for a millennia. Okay, nick, I sent you some stuff on Instagram. Hopefully you can

I also wanted to say that when we ran the Jamatria, it came up with Kent State equaling Freemasons, as well as Ride the Lightning and Goddess Mars, which I find interesting.

Kent State Golden Flashes. We are the Golden Flashes, and we use a golden eagle for our mascot and a lightning bolt. So whoa nail on the fucking head and let me go ahead.

So the Kins State was on the fourth of May. Right, it only took twenty five days for Crosby Stills Nashing Young to perform Ohio for the first time live on the twenty ninth, twenty five days two five theres R seven. And that just proves that they had that in the bucket, just waiting on it, you know.

So the other day I was I wanted to search up some pictures and I typed in May fourth, as in the word fourth instead of four th h On accident May four Students, I hit enter and Google. You want to know what I found? In nineteen nineteen, the May four Students was a Chinese revolution which brought Chinese communism into play. They'd love using these numbers, man, So I type something in trying to get one result. In got something completely completely fucking different. But guess what, it

Order out of chaos, thank you?

Yes, right, And he is sacrifice time in ancient times, so this would be like Bell Taney, this is when they would have the sacrifices.

Yeah, and it was also a troubles Mister Garcia, my favorite podcasting buddy. While I was podcasting with him, he went out of his way to type in what was the moon phase of that day? It was a waxing gibeous moon, just a day or two before a new moon. Then he looked up nine to eleven. Oh wow, exact same thing, except just that it was a waxing gibbeous moon at a higher percentile. See there. Look how that thing, Shiller is somebody who's very tall. It's it's the same

I'm the artist said that these were not supposed to be phallic in name.

So he said. He said what he was trying to show was an upside down grave.

Well, he's full of ship because it looks like a bunch of gates.

And I apologize for jumping around. Once the artists graduated from Kent State, he wasn't doing shit with his life, so he moved out to New York City and landed in this flat apartment in the same building as the CBGB. Once he got into I mean literally right behind the CBGB. And once he got to New York and got settled down, he called up some more artist buddies from Kent State and they all moved to New York City with them, and they basically started an artist group called the Mebwebi Group.

If you go back to just the goddess Mars piece real quick. Mars, while associated with war, is also associated with fertility, most likely due to being the child of Juno. So if this really is one big giant fertility ritual, it's interesting that Mars is mentioned.

That's a great point.

Wow.

Yeah, it's kind of the same with Venus the masculine. I think maybe the Greeks on a headless.

Correct high Fastus was originally married to a Fordity, but the first person that she cheated on him with was Mars. And so the idea was that basically people are always in love with war, you know.

So they go hand in hand, right, all right, Okay, just a couple of dicks sprinkled in there, of course.

So during this conversation I had with mister Cosma, he also told me that I believe it was the general who was on campus that day for the National Guard, happens to be friends with his family, even when as far to say that the first rifle strap he ever owned came off of a gun that this general gave his father. The artist also went to as far because I kind of I was very respectful when I called him. I made sure I was interested in his art and I wanted to hear his story about it. I tried

So he went out to be like.

Out of his way to tell me like, oh, yeah, well, this group of people and that it's just it happened the way like it was all by chance.

It's like, oh, who are you to say that? I'm sorry? Who are you? Why would I do anything? You have to say?

Yeah, you mentioned that he graduated Ken I apologize, But was he going to Kent when the No?

No, no, no, he was.

Still in high school at Hudson. Hudson High School, which is where my boss graduated from. And I work right down a road from so, right down the road from us.

Yeah, so he was in high school when happened.

He was in high school when the shootings happened, even.

More of a reason to a fuck you. You are in high school at the time. What are you a fucking expert on shit? He was like fourteen at the time.

Julie, are you as It's a very uppity town. It's part of the If you guys aren't familiar with the Western Reserve, it's it was basically this part of Ohio used to be Connecticut, and it was the Western Reserve of Connecticut. It ended right around in this area. So Hudson is a huge It's a very rich.

Uppity town.

Okay, Chris was born with money already his parents got money. Whoever's controlling the screen right now, go go to Google and type in home horse, Home Horse Chris. Even though he's an artist, he's a bit of an inventor. Also. He he built this training horse training device that you sit on in your house so you can work on your your gallop. I want you, guys to see his logo for home Horse. It's quite telling, quite telling. We'll bring that up in the second. But I got a

It does?

It does?

I'm sorry.

Can State campus has twin towers and try towers on the campus also, so like this this thing is it's not just New York City. I'm sure there's other towns that have twin towers in them. Go ahead with your question.

I'm sorry, No, you're good. You You said you been to that that mural that's out in the woods.

Right, yeah, all right?

So was that was that disc still up when you went there?

It's completely knocked over, it's heaviest.

Do you know that when if it was when it was up, Like if you would approach it from what the artist would consider the front of the piece.

Would you be looking.

Would it be like the disc? Would it be caved away from you?

Or like you know what I mean, like, would.

It be he had it set up the way he the way it actually is. It's you got a pillar here, the disc here, and three more pillars over here. So it was like three of the bodies already entered.

And the fourth one was supposed to go in.

But to me, what he told me was, uh, he offset it like that just to make it visually look better. I was like, no, you didn't, Chris, I know what the fuck you set it up for. That's a visual representation of souls being transported. Did he did you?

Yeah?

Go ahead.

Why why did he want to put it way the fuck out in the woods where nobody could look at it or appreciate.

It and I couldn't because he said that he wanted it to look like it'd been there for a millennia.

Yeah.

He also invented a fucking hobby whors fucking weird thing that you sit on at your house with a symbolism. I mean, he's just a weirdo. He's like, you know what I'm talking.

About He was an absolute gentleman to talk to. I feel bad sitting here talking about him, but I'm sorry, mister Cosmo. You're part of something bigger and you need to stop lying to us. Yeah.

I wanted to put that out so the way he reacted sounds like he had heard that accusation before.

Yeah, that's the first thing.

You even I took my books leave off, even this book. I guarantee any real deep conspiracy junkie who's ever looked into this saw this read this and was like, oh, yeah, you know, they definitely killed those kids, So it was definitely a cover up. Our government's doing something to us. They're getting away with it. No, they're getting away with even more than that, because they didn't kill anybody. They just lied to an entire population. They glied to the

It used to be you stopped at about two thousand.

Yeah, we had worried no, And I think that was the ritual of nine to eleven. They they fucked with time big time, and now we're stuck in some kind of time loop where I don't know if you guys looked around, but I could go to an amusement part and literally see people who look like they stepped out of the seventies, eighties, nineties, and two thousands. Hell, I see people dressing up like they're from the nineteen twenties today, So what the fuck is going on?

Are you?

And everybody's riding a fucking hobby horse.

My son is a seventeen year old.

That's why I'm cracking up y'all.

I'm I'm sorry for cracking up because I'm looking at this shit.

I'm just my yo, horse. But I found that on accident, too, Like when I typed his name into Google and I'm searching stuff, like I was just looking for art and then I found that and the h caught my eye. I didn't know that was his company until I clicked on it.

This is how the age we'll do chores.

Definitely represented or the two Pillars of Solomon.

You know, perhaps absolutely what does an a name.

There?

You go, Yeah, I don't know, Matthew.

Excuse me, Matthew. Have you looked into the history of the Department of Defense Research at Kent State. I know they started in the late fifties and they were pretty prominent in the sixties. Would you happen to know exactly what department and what they were researching at Kent State?

No, I have not gotten into that's that's the other thing in those apartment of.

So DARPA does business with Kent State. I just don't.

See.

I didn't even find nothing like that. That's insane. You were talking real quick, guys. You see the picture he's got up right now. Inst he's got two more pictures exactly like it.

And what does that happened to the hobby Horse?

I have no idea, but it's screams Saturn today.

Is this guy? Is this guy well off because of the hobby Horse and all of.

The he he came out of Hudson, Ohio? All right, so.

He's just doing this stuff for fun, making rich people look like retards on Instagram?

Did we show the pictures?

Cowboy hat man? Need to take that shit off? That's so disrespectful man.

Did we look?

Did you guys see the pictures of his art from New York City? All of his art is worth I think, and honestly, I think his wife is the mandler. I think his wife is the genius here because most New York City I can't think of her name. It's aims something aims a m e s No tyrone.

You're rocking a cowboy hat? Saw that? Yeah?

But not rock way?

Yeah you did? Yeah you did? I met you?

You were as long as yourn.

He told it off. Definitely pulled it off. No, he definitely pulled it off. Yeah.

So this guy knows the symbolism. I you know, he he let me know personally that his parents were connected to people who were high higher ups that were there on campus that day. He didn't have to tell me that shit, but he did. He opened his mouth. He said a few telling things to me that that day.

I mean, Matthew, really, if he does hear about the interview and he listens to what's the worst that can happen? He cancel you from buying hobby horses. I mean, yeah, I.

Really would like to get everything he told me out to all of you so all of you can dissect it the way I do. You know what it.

Sounds like he's got, He's not gonna be honest about stuff, though it sounds like he'll tell you what you want to hear.

We don't need him an honest we were.

At this point, right, It's almost it's almost easier to have him lie his ass off, because then you know exactly what he's lying about.

Yeah, we already know.

We already know what he could say to be lying. I already know. Bring it, guys, that I'm not out here to get famous. I'm not here to make money off of podcasting. I actually have a story even fucking way bigger than this that I'm behind right now. This Kent State story was just for fun for me, being from Kent, listening to all your guys' podcasts and all the research you guys do. I walk around every day

It's wild, and it's it's still happening right now as we speak, so it's happening.

And this isn't a conspiracy just to theorize over. This is a conspiracy to get involved in. I'm not here just to talk about conspiracies and point them out. I'm here to make some change. I'm here to stop this bullshit if we know the rituals they're gonna do before they do them. I don't mean like literally pinpoint the rituals like an old old a demagarda tries to do, but just know that every time the shit happens, it's bullshit.

Divine inspiration is my favorite type of inspiration. I say that all the time, like weird stuff will fall into my lap and I'm like, I've never heard about this before, and then I end up looking into it and it's just rabbit hole after rabbit hole, Like when I discovered Program to Kill and Laurel Canyon and that stuff.

You got on my life.

You gotta fuck with their numbers. You gotta get on the Wikipedia, and you got to edit all the thirteen out of everything they put in there.

Here's something that happened to me real quick. You know how they put the numbers in the news cycle. It's always a thirty three year old or something like that. You know, thirteen people were struck by a car. I personally know a guy who blew his fucking hand off a few weeks ago. Okay, he's my age, he's thirty eight years old. The news put it out there that he was only twenty two, and they never corrected it. They don't fucking care about reporting the truth and the details.

They also put that he was twenty two and he had COVID of the b hole, and like all this extracy. You know how they loved to just add details like put suffering properly into stuff in it suffering.

Go ahead, COVID. There used to be a thing where you could type in on Google like a certain number, like say three hundred and thirty three, and it would come up on Google three hundred and thirty three dead, and you know, like this town and this town, and it.

Was like, wow, exactly, Phil, I'm half tempted. Actually, I was very half tempted to call out to the editor and be like, why are you guys lying about his age? Why do you keep using these numbers?

They just usually take it.

Yeah, oh, sorry about that mistake. Well, you're going to fix it because you know that really changes the story. You just described a completely different person when you said he was twenty two years old.

Yeah.

They do that with serial killers a lot too. Actually, they'll put serial killers that they'll say they died in prison at age seventy seven, or they were executed on the you know, specific days of twenty second or all this stuff. And like the day that John Wayne Gacy was executed was the day that Jeffrey Dahmer got baptized, and they put that in the news too. It's like they do find significance by either making shit up or choosing specific dates for things.

Absolutely.

You know, it also might have to do with the places where they're encoding these things, so you know, check out check out the location of these different newsrooms and stuff like that, because I think that.

Could be geomantically significant.

Where they're sending the broadcast out from. Yeah right, Yeah.

King State is a false flag, just like the one I mentioned earlier that was in Austin, Texas. Phil Do you know about that one, Charles Whitman, Yeah.

That's the one they talk about.

I think Kurt Russell played him in a movie and they cite that in full metal jacket when the drill sergeant is talking about how where did where did Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald learn to shoot the Marine Corps? So like that's you know, the question they give me. While like Lee Harvey Oswald was a horrible shot. But supposedly Whitman might have had a brain tumor. That's the one story that I've heard about with him.

But yeah, kill me some weird stuff about him.

Yeah, he killed his wife and mother before, Yeah, before he went to the school and did that. I was going to say earlier though with with the once again the King the King kill aspect idahope.

Eleven twenty two King Rhode four students. Oh and it's funny enough.

I'm doing a show with JJ in another couple of weeks about the two books I've read in regards that I just finished the James Patterson book about that one, so you expected kind of a limit to hang out sort of book.

I just looked at May fourth as well for the Pagan holidays, and you guys are gonna not believe this.

So not a Celtic wait for this.

So it's the Celtic holiday festival of Fertility and healing shit.

I want to throw shit, dude. Oh my god, there we go. Oh that's man, Nick, Thank you so much for bringing me on today. I thought I was going to ship the bed in front of all. This is why I'm in it. This is why I've slowly been wanting to get in the podcasting, because there's so many fucking dots to connect. We can't all do this research by ourselves. I've been wanting to bring this information, not just to be like, hey, guys, check me out. I know all these cool things. We got it. I know

It looks like like.

What is that the rape lodge over the state.

It's called the ski booths? Yeah, I was standing in that one.

They call it the ski booth, but it could be also the rape lodge. And look at all these little hess all over.

Julie.

Yeah, I don't know what that is. Who like climbed up there and wrote on that? That's wild?

Oh my god, Nick, did you say this so claw.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's just a little structure standing in the woods. It's more for decoration than anything could hang out in it.

I bet I wanted to mention the uh you mentioned the May fourth Communists, or rather Chinese Communists celebration. May first is a big Communist day. Two of course, isn't that May Day? Which one's May Day?

Yes?

Yeah, of course first, So that's three day difference. Of course, the fertility coming to birth three days.

It's just interesting.

So I wanted to throw in here, Lisa says in the chat, she says, Project Themis at Kent Liquid Crystal program. So Themis is the Greek goddess of justice. She has the sword, the blindfold, and the scales, and uh, that's that's.

Kind of interesting.

So Project Themis is where they got the liquid crystal display. Also the second Oracle at Delphi and presumed to be mother of Prometheus.

That's why, dude, it just keeps doing up, Thank you guys, making it just keeps adding up. Man, It's like them naming every Space Shuttle launch after some kind of god and doing it on very specific ritualistic days, over and over and over again. I'll tell you.

It.

Do any of you know who Michael want.

Is one podcast?

No, No, I never got he's got a series. He got a series on the fortieth parallel with Ross Ben. That's absolutely fair.

We had them on like two or three weeks ago, right, maybe a month ago, Yes, we do, yeah, yeah, maybe it did.

Drop it Okay, Money in the chat actually had them all right, Well, I pay him to do my astrology reading the other day and.

Him out.

I think a lot of this is going into some of his research on the synchronicities and everything. He even told me I need to go and not just do podcasts, but actually go out to Kent and talk about this in person to people.

Bring some dowsing rods, bring some dowsing rods.

So I might end up eventually down the road actually trying to do like a conference on this topic. So anybody who's got research that they're pulling up, d m me on my Instagram Awakened Lion, you can email me. I'll shoot you my email, because god, I I didn't I looked past the darkest stuff. I looked past the l c D the name of that project. I'd looked at that before, but I for some reason skipped over

A lot of the nineteen sixties research that was done. I think we mentioned this on another podcast. A lot of the nineteen sixties research that a lot of the truth or conspiracy community focuses on is mainly like the Kama kay ultra, the psychological aspect, the psilocybin, all that stuff. We tend to gravitate more towards that. I don't know if it's because it's readily available we can find more

And so if Kent was.

I guess used for optics or any kind of liquid christlography or anything like that, that is significant because they probably had a grant for it, they had professors that had written for a grant, and they were doing research for it, and they were not just they were also probably co authoring or doing collaborative work with other universities.

What's the chances that they were there were any Nazi scientists hanging out at Kent State. I'm just going to throw no, we've traded all of our colleges.

Yes, they were.

Brought to where there's like an infamous picture at an Ohio, Yes, Air Force Base, I think where von Braun was originally brought at one point. So that was.

That was my next point in that because Ohio is the halfway point between Chicago and New York. We do know Chicago is Fermilab or you know doctor Fermi who helped develop the large Hderal collabor particle accelerator. That doesn't get a whole lot of attention, pretty focuses on we have turned in Chicago, and then you have New York, which had a lot of experimentation being done by you know, scientists from Project paper Clip and what forth. And so it was the go between.

That somebody got the phone on or something that I hear some background numbers.

It was.

Went away. Yeah, sure where that was coming from. That's that is fantastic info. And yeah, man, I'm telling you we we could compile probably three hours of symposium on this alone. It just keeps connecting. It's all over the place, and I'll even throw this one out. The high school I went to, it's named Theodore Roosevelt High School. Theodore Roosevelt was vice president to William McKinley. William McKinley was

High School in Kent.

So when you ask yourself, well, Theodore Rosva wasn't from Ohio, why's he got a high school named after him out there? I think that's why they placed that in that in the city of Kent, because it's exact location. They love using those numbers.

There's a lot of weird ship that comes out of Ohio, like MGK for example, fucking talk about a lizard King, I met him anybody in breakfast place in Cleveland?

No, No, I wouldn't even bother No.

The b hole.

In the seventies, Ohio became, you know, you had some interesting stuff. You had Flint kind of getting started there with the Hustler Club, and then in the late seventies you had the Cleveland Mob War with Danny Green taking on the Cleveland mob and Cleveland becomes the car bomb capital of the world, you know at that point.

My favorite unspoken about event was the nineteen seventies taking over the entire town of Boston Township. It's now referred to as hell Town. Have any of you heard of this? No, So back in seventy four, there was a bill signed off for like preserving They said there was too much urban sprawl and we were knocking down too many forests. So what did they do? Instead of just like stopping

When did happen seventies in seventies?

Yeah, they tore up the entire time down, even turning parts of it. And you know how they said they were trying to save, you know, the land, the trees and everything. They turned half of the area into a toxic waste land by dumping toxic sledge all over the place. This place, dude, Helltown, Ohio has more conspiracies driven in it than any other place you've ever heard of. There there's giant stories of giant snakes, satanism, a bus full

I also, oh, go ahead, bro, I.

Just wanted to just say really quickly that this isn't the first time that the government's come in and done that eminent domain. I mean, look at the LBL. That is an area of high strangeness, and people were just booted off of their property and they'd been there for hundreds of years, you know, homesteading and things like that.

And this area was actually there's a fantastic YouTuber and I'm sorry, I'm going to forget his name, and it's him History Something. He goes to different places talking about the history in the area and he does a beautiful job telling the story of the witch from the eighteen hundreds. And this like prominent man from the area who was trying to use the witch to get secrets about everyone in town so he could steal the land. So then

Here's I got a crazy kind of like connection, well not connection, but like Helltown. So I was saying to Nick earlier, I said, it's kind of interesting. He invited me on this, and I read a book that I reviewed about ken State called sixty seven Shots. I also did a book called Helltown about Provincetown, Massachusetts. That was the nickname it was given where there was a serial killer in the seventies, and at one point, like you know that, that was the nickname Gatton was Helltown.

And at one point you had Kurt.

Vonnegut Norman Mayler were living near each other and everybody was speculating on who the killer was. And you know, it's a really good book. Interesting but again true prime. So you know, we know how that kind of genre can be in terms of you know, speculation and who the killer is. But I just thought it was funny when you said Helltown and that being Boston. You know what was it, Boston, Ohio or Boston.

Yeah, Boston Township, Ohio yep.

Yeah, of Collinstown, Massachusetts. Yeah, it's crazy.

You know, there's actually story of a serial killer. You guys may or may not be familiar with it, but it was called the Cleveland Torso Murderer and they thought he could be like a Jack the Ripper or he was like Jack the Ripper came over here and started slicing bitches up. But yeah, he it's an unidentified serial killer from the Cleveland, Ohio area, was just ripping and running. They just found bits and pieces of women all over the place. All the Rockafellers are buried in Cleveland, Ohio.

MGK, Welcome to Ohio.

About I forget Matthew McKinley.

How about what's the name Harding? Warren Harding is from Ohio, had what was called the most corrupt administration ever and then he drops dead what two years in of a suspicious heart attack or whatnot? And you know, yeah, his group was called the Ohio Gang, which was like his habinet.

How many how many presidents are from Ohio? It was it four or five? Do we know? Because I know Ohio like that we have a specific nickname for like being the birthplace of the most all the ones.

That like booty whole stuff came from Ohio.

We got McKenley, Arting. Is there fourth there is? I'm missing it? I know there is real quick, Yeah, if you can because at fifths four. That's very telling presidents from popping up.

President three.

Oh yeah, and we'll say every every every president that has won Ohio since the nineteen sixties has won the presidential elections.

There's seven presidents from Ohio seven Okay, yeah, I thought.

I actually got eight.

I got the know you got a yeah from Cleveland dot Com.

I got the eight Ohio's eight presidents. Presidents in the cases they called home.

Oh President Garfield, I forgot about that asshold another assassinated one. Yeah, he was assassinated.

Yeah.

So there's a lot of presidents from Ohio.

So that that's and they all like booty whole, like, what are the presidents?

Yeah?

And then not that not many presidents from Ohio. Then you have the Rockefellers. It's just highly connected. This area.

We get had seen their graves. By the way, I visited this imitary.

Enormous us. They are fucking huge. Yes, I've seen them. They are huge.

I got chills when I stumbled upon that grave site. I was like, oh, look at this what some rich motherfucker's right because it's like huge.

It's called Lancaster, Ohio. Is it that one you're talking about?

No, No, that is buriedy.

Route eight.

I hate your turnpike Route eighty.

Yeah, I never used it. I did not use the tolls, no way, not at all. I don't know if you guys have any more questions for me. I don't know what else I could possibly There's, like I said, everywhere I look, I had to break down all the different students and I don't even I got to get on my own show and do a solo show where I can just break down everything, and you guys can maybe watch me for once. You know, I've been listening to you for a very long time.

You were saying that the four students were Jewish, right, Yeah, parallels to nine to eleven. Well, who was the first victim of nine to eleven? Was an IDF soldier on flight eleven? Or that was the first old victim? Was that was an IDF soldier, which was very random. And then you have the Henry Kissinger connection. You know, Kissinger was Nixon at the time, it was his National security advisor.

I think it was, Yeah, that's wild, that's great.

I guess my last if I had who knows, I may never have the opportunity to sit in this in front of this many amazing podcasters again. So this is one last little bit of random information I have for the night. It's pertaining to Akron and Judith Resnick. Just to let you guys know, the high school she went

Hospital, were they?

Yes, Steph Curry and Lebron James were both born in the same hospital. And then of course I had to throw in Judith Resnick. But I'm sorry, go ahead Julia.

Oh.

I was just gonna say, have you seen the videos of people who walk up to her, Oh yeah, we heard that you died in a fiery crash. Oh yeah, and she's just like, oh, fuck you, and she just walks away.

Yeah, we know it's her. I mean I grew up looking at her picture like. That's one of those things about you know, I don't know if any of you know this, but if you're from Ohio and you actually like the state, you're kind of like an asshole about it sometimes, like we're the best. You know, it's Ohio versus the world. So like even my son, when he learns about history and it has anything to do with Ohio,

You ever meet a Browns fan, you'll realize the disillusionment of some from fucking Ohio. It's like, are you serious?

We used to be good now?

Oh god, this podcast. I can't do it.

No, I'm done with sports. I literally I play fantasy football with my friends just for the chance to win money. It was called the Cleveland Steamers, so that's how much I really.

The whole stuff comes from Cleveland.

Steamers is way further back than Cleveland. All Right, unraveling the podcast here though, I don't know if you guys got any more questions, any any more thoughts, anything else to add. This has been amazing, Lisa, is it up there one of my the other occult region podcast. It's amazing. Extra research's were in there tonight. I'm so happy you did not bow out. That was fantastic. I can't wait to start digging into the darpest stuff now. I got more rabbit holes to go through.

Yeah, definitely look into the weather, underground stuff that angle. Also we provide amount of fruit.

Yeah, I'm telling you. We get to get enough information put together to have a whole weekend symposium on this one fucking subject, which would get really tiresome and boring. But you get enough good podcasters in the room, we can have a lot of fun with that.

What is this?

I don't know?

This is on Google every time somebody says something, I like the research and google what they're saying.

And this is actually in the Lake, Ohio or Lake what is it called? Breakout?

It's called yeah, the wayde Tomorrow at lake View Cemetery And when you click.

On him, this is where this is where the Rockefellers are buried.

Oh okay, okay, look at that?

Okay?

Or my Sinian or something like that.

Yeah, that's wild, man. I could spend days breaking that down.

Cada I Phoenician, Yeah.

I got I guess uh. Nick, you being the guy who lived a lot of this, knowing all the rituals and stuff, what do you have to say about anything presented to you today? Like, I got to get your opinion on this, brother, Like, am I on track? Is this really the type of ship these people are doing? Or am I hallucinating? Am I crazy? And do I need to be thrown behind bars?

Yeah? Yeah right, No, I definitely think when you guys were talking about it earlier, the whole thing with them, you know, I was even trying to say, you know, if it's not, it doesn't necessarily have to be real. Because of the way technology is today and the way people are meant to feel for people that they never even meant and never would meet, you're gonna get people

Yeah, zooming on that, Jesus Christ, can.

You google the Rockefeller's grave site. I have a picture of it on my phone when I went to go visit, but it's not a good picture the monument. Yeah all like all the oh yeah, so.

On the magicians that encode the stuff of their to the country.

Brother, that wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. And I'm so glad you thought you said it like that, because that's literally what I'm sitting here thinking. I literally had you know,

Oh, zachly, thank you.

The way he pieces together the WWE, all of the professional sports and everything that's going on in the major news cycle together through the numbers, the words and everything else. Now he does take a certain angle of oh it's all jesuit, which I think he is on to something

On that ship.

You know, Yeah, you're definitely onto something with that. There's code writers to this stuff. They're they're using together the theatrics for us, and it's literally, what's.

That's the Garfield that's the Garfield Memorial. If you go to the basement of that memorial, they have his fucking coffin just out for you to like, just roll up on his fucking coffin.

I bet you he's not even in there. I bet you. McKinley's and his wife is supposedly buried in the wall. Yeah, anything about McKinley's memorial. Look up that one real quick too before we get off here. Even the grounds that it's it's shaped very oddly when you look at it from above. William McKinley Canton Memorial. It's also right across

And it's coming up in a couple of weeks, right in a couple of weeks.

Yeah, they do it. They hits right on my birthday almost every year.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Warm peace. Look at that warm man pieces with home.

Chef was asking me if I did a show talking about going to this cemetery. I definitely did. It was creep vibes for days. I was all up in this bitch, this one that you're looking at right now. I went by the Rockefeller's grave Elliott Ness. Uh, it's really creepy. I mean it's definitely got some of the oldest gris. Yeah, creep vibes.

And we're talking about so the Rockefellers were from Cleveland.

We're saying, right, Yeah, it's just like, after you've attained that much wealth, why would you want to be buried in like the west side of Cleveland with all the crackheads.

He wasn't even born in Cleveland, but that's where he was at.

When it's not a nice area of Cleveland where the cemetery is, it's literally like cracks.

And here's here's the thing. Do have a bunch of mgks running around. I've been following you since the Great Deception?

All right?

I actually, yeah, pretty close to Matt. He had me on his show a few times. Yeah, when I was wet behind the years with conspiracy. That was about two years ago. I miss Matt. God, I wish Matt was in this chat right now. He's fantastic. But his old world research is why I believe the reason why Rockefeller ended up in Cleveland is because that area is so heavily charged. Those buildings were already there, They've been there for hundreds of fucking years, and they used to be

So I could be But I heard that I came the crackheads took over.

Isn't isn't Cleveland or Akron at one of the largest Jewish cities.

Cleveland's got a lot of Jews, yeah, in the suburbs, Italian, Italians and Polish, we got them all. But the highest population of Puerto Ricans in the country is in Cleveland, Ohio.

They make a mean and Panada though, I mean they up all over the.

Place perto Ricans. My best friend in the world is Puerto Rican and he was my roommate when I lived in Kent. He actually played football at Kent State.

I think the Mexican efinom Well, you also had you know, It's just me, all right, Lisa.

I also had one of the one of the true sort of conspiracy you know politicians from Ohio around Cleveland was James Traffiicant.

He was the one who accused of what was it.

He accused, uh, I think Janet Reno of being a lesbian and he talked about I think like Israel's grip, you know, on the politics.

And who are you talking about the all time.

James Traffickan he was. He was a center. I think he said like beat me up Scott. He was like one of his like phrases. And I think they eventually kicked him out of Congress. But yeah, he was someone who was like very attuned with like Israel's influence in.

Regards to government.

And yeah he said Janet Reno was having an affair with Donna Shalala, who was like the Health and Human Services.

Secretary under Clinton.

And yeah, he was like one of those guys Democrat, but like would spew a lot of stuff that turned out to be true. He took the cause of John DEMIENUK, the guy who they said was Ivan the Terrible.

Oh my god, he started on that ship. That is fucked up.

Did you that that documentary? Yes?

I did, Yes, I did.

God it was from Cleveland.

Dude.

It was crazy episode.

I think there's a huge Ukrainian population I think was part of that.

Phil I would up and do an episode on that guy because I think that is is a crazy story.

I don't know about you.

And his lawyer was Israeli and took a ship off for.

Oh my god, that's so crazy. But that's another Cleveland story. I forgot about a full blown concentration camp. Ass, fucking Nazi ass, fucking well killed kids in the gas chamber. Ass.

When we're talking about Rockefeller, you know someone who made his money most likely off you know, crimes in one form or another, and then you know, being involved with philanthropy as you get a guy like Mo Dalitz, who was a gangster the Mayfield Road mob who goes out to Vegas and he becomes like mister Las Vegas and winds up, you know, owns the desert in which eventually he sells to Howard Hughes and then donates they like donates the biggest hospital that was being used to run

You know, still is like an insight globe Peek Yeah Oday, Conspiratorio, that's my name.

I gotta say it again to guys. Please, if I can get all your contacts, learn who all of your shows are, I would love the sport all of you two and connect more. I'm having so much fun with this shit. Dude connecting out. Dude, it's who here has done psychedelics anyone. I'm not a big user, right, but the first time I ever did mushrooms is to the net the id it. I did it with a group of friends and seven of us and we all went off and did our own thing. A couple guys went

Yes, you connect through the mystelium, absolutely, and it just It's what I've been doing every day since, just connecting dots that I come across and it's so.

Much fun for me, and I honestly feel like God speaking to us a little bit more than we want to realize. And even though I look at things like numerology and astrology, I'm a big believer that those are God's tools and if you're using them correctly, especially if you're using it to kind of fight on his side, you can use it for good. It's all about intention, correct, It's all about intent. They're using it against us on a daily basis, and we've got to do something to

I had them on yesterday.

Man shouts out, I know, I follow, I'm I'm They're one of the few people I pay for the Patreon offense. Guys, I'm a poor person, but they put out so many shows throughout the day that I can listen to at work. Plus they have a lot of you guys on too. It's great, yeah, but it's there's the energy is changing, guys. I hate to sit here and preach and get on my soapbox, but the energy is changing, and if you don't do it and start maybe doing more than just podcasting,

Can we got to get out there and fight?

Dude?

Yeah?

Yeah, Well they're just talking about nothing. I'm here to fight them because I'm not making money off this ship and I probably never will, mostly because of the way I speak. So change for us.

People keeps telling me I'm an flum because I have red hair, and I'm like, what the fuck is that even supposed to mean? Like, I love the Lord, I don't fucking eat children. I don't get like, literally, we need to define what the definition is a little bit more.

I say the worst thing about Julia a lot, but you know it's not wrong with that either, so I can't.

So I think we got to get into a uh sort of a you know, war mode, and I think that means everybody needs to attend and some sort of astral projection boot camp.

Right, you got to get out there.

I'm telling you, bro s.

Psychedelics, right, Bro, No, you won't have to, Julia, Julia, I'm.

Psychedelics, don't. I know way too many people who overdo the psychedelics. I honestly I did it more than once, and I didn't need to. I'm telling you that one time I took it, I was not ready for it. It changed my fucking life and I was only about eighteen nineteen years old. I've not looked.

I mean, I've smoked weed a couple of times where I've literally thought that I was leaving my body. But I think I just got like too fucked up. Like I took a big bomb rip and like felt like I was levitating and shit. So if if I have to take psychedelics, I already know it's going.

To be a fuck that because I had a complete.

They're not for everybody, you know, and that's going to kids.

You know, that's a mistake they make whenever they take them, and I'm not they expect just trying to have a good or whatever it's they're used for, you know, other purposes.

Especially looking into conspiracies, like sometimes you know, you get too high and you read something like program to Kill and you're like, I think I'll just you know, I think I think I'll kill myself.

I don't know what else.

Yeah, yeah, all right, okay, definitely yeah.

Really good one.

They got a visitors center right on campus. I'm actually inciting. Well I'm not excited, but it doesn't give you any pictures, but they definitely have one of course. Yeah, they also have a memorialble place too. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm looking at it right now, like, yes, right about this.

Kids.

They have one at the Oklahoma City Bottom Memorial to You got to pay like twenty dollars a person to get into the fucking thing, and then they give you a tour of how many kids got blowed up, and it's like, why did I pay for this?

Like this is kind of morbid, horrible.

Matt.

I got a question. Do they make you stand on anything metal? Is there any like plaque or anything on the ground that's metal that you have to stand on on any of these tours or any of these sort of like self flagellations Oh, good question.

There's definitely big stones about his area.

Yeah, it's just that much at all. I know what you're talking about, like like a like a big metal disc with with writing eye and memorialize on the ground and you know, maybe and there's something in front of it. They have a couple of memorials. I don't I don't remember if they have anything like that. Like I said, I I don't go to Kent that often, even though I live right down the street and my mom still lives in Kent. But uh, I'm gonna have to go. I'm gonna have to go to campus and walk around

For adding to it.

Thank you for adding to the research and asking great questions. Like I said, I'm not a great storyteller, and there's so much information with this, like it's really hard not to bounce around. Thanks for bearing with me and still like understanding what my retarded brain was trying to spit out. Yeah,

I feel that the chef was on fire tonight too. I'll look at all these comments and stuff. Somebody said, I love you.

I saw that somebody's love and you.

Haven't recorded anything, but I am working on working on my own show. It will be called the Hometown Profit. Awesome nobody's profit in their own hometown.

Okay, nice. Oh and you know after the show man, throw me any link you want me to put into the show notes the chef, because I don't think I go. Yeah, so people can reach out to you as well if they want to, you know, talk to you about this. But yeah, thank you very much, Matthew. I really appreciate it real quick. For the people that are still here. Well, first I'm gonna plug well, Chef, you're still here, so you can plug that show Dark Florida, Brooke she left,

Thank you for having me on, and.

Matt amazing presentation.

Learned a lot. I had never even heard that thesis that it wasn't real, so that threw me for a loop. So thank you for bringing that into blunting the seed into that. Thank you fellow rejects for having such an amazing discussion. And again, I just would like to plug ac cult Research into dot org.

Check us out.

Thank you very much. And hello is John.

Hey, you can find me on Twitter and x and I've got a show on Thursday nights where I read your emails. If you send them to the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com, thank you.

You'll get you'll get a story and you'll get a sigil, symbol, engraving or something. We always pull something out of our rest to share with you, so definitely check it out. And we got to shove. What is going on?

So?

Yeah, first, thank you for having me.

I greatly appreciate it. It's been an awesome Friday night. It was very nice meeting meeting you all. I'm only familiar with a handful. Matthew, you did a good job. Brother, that was awesome. Keep keep getting a dude, you're doing a great job. And yeah, you can find me. We're over at Rumble and Instagram, s n s S pod, I believe and.

X as we also what's up here?

Thank you Jules, So Jules knows I always forget what my what the Twitter handle is? I'm not super I'm not on there a lot that is at s n SS pod.

Love you too, bro, and yeah, thanks thanks again for having me.

No, no, thank you, I appreciate it. Other blessed thank you. Yeah, and Julia, what is going on?

I love doing these shows because I feel like it's just hanging out with my besties. Please meet new people.

Phil.

I've been wanting to meet you for a while now, obviously everybody else. Matthew. Great to meet you. I met. I think I have done a couple of shows with a few of you before, but Chef, it was great to meet you and Hank Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. If you want to work with me, get in touch with me through my email. It's ghosts dot Peach at outlook dot com. Don't send me a message on Instagram. I don't check that bitch. Please send

Thanks again, no problem.

Thank you very much. Julie. Always appreciate you joining us. We got Phil. What is going on? Phil? Oh?

It was a great, great couple of hours and I enjoyed it and I.

Said, it just worked out.

I mean book that you know, a topic that I you know.

I read and reviewed the book on and it.

Was a lot of fun. Vic Foster on Twitter.

I do post some of the book reviews, well, anyones that they post. Uh, And every now and then I get to review a good conspiracy or a cult related you know.

Hopefully I'll get.

To post my occult Elvis reviews soon and uh, which I got introduced because of one of your guests, Nick, and uh. You know, it's always a lot of fun talking about conspiracies and other fun topics like this.

Oh, thank you for coming on.

Man.

I always appreciate whatever you have to bring to the show because you don't always got something going on in that audio's to head and we got tyrone what is going on?

So good?

Good?

Uh, prestation, Matthew.

That was good.

I learned something new today, so uh, you know it. It was great in learning that stuff. Everything that you want to find on me, just go to rebirth at the word dot com and you'll catch everything.

That I'm on on there. Thanks again, Nick.

Of course, of course, no, thank you for coming my man and Jules.

Man, this was another great show. I always appreciate you inviting me. Get me new people. UH got to get you on, Matthew. I think it'd be fun.

Guys Grateful pot on Twitter, Rumble, YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts, You go follow me over there, go over to Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash Grateful podcast doing an Esotery book review in the morning's Patreon only. Probably I think we're reading a Cult Anatomy of Man so and then we're doing twin Twin Peaks watch party tomorrow most definitely.

So.

I yet watched that ever your talking about it, you guys talk about this.

Time watching it, and I'm watching it with my audience and now they're all obsessed with all the stuff in it. To shout out Isaac wiseup though for kind of getting me on it.

At for.

I got him coming on.

Later this month to talk about it.

So that's gonna be a banger.

Yeah, everybody go check out the episode with NDS from yesterday and all the episodes we've done.

I think it's my third Occult Rejects episode this week.

Yeah yeah, man, Yeah, So shout out out to you the Cult Rejects, y'all go follow them and yeah, another great show. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Oh, thank you, man. I always appreciate you coming on. Don't want to try to bug it to get you to come on. So thank you.

Oh man, I'm always down, dude, if I'm free.

Yah. Well, normally the timing that it's only the timing is off, and uh, I guess Ethan indigo. I don't know if he's still here or not, but I'll plug his stuff. Go check out his books. He definitely has got a plethora of books. He's got a bunch of stuff. Yeah, we've got a bunch of stuff.

I'm actually going I'm actually going to buy his book, bro, and I'm actually getting his book from Amazon.

I'm going to go read him nice. Nice. Yeah, So go check out his stuff. And he is on Twitter as well, and he's rather active on.

That, so go check out out the Research Institute dot org as well.

Yes he has. He's actually been one of the more consistent ones. He's making me look bad. Thank you Ethan. Uh yeah, and I thank you everybody in the chat. That is what's up. There's a lot of people.

One one more thing, Nick, because Jules just reminded me. I also did a show with NDS today on the Primary water and the kidnapping of Joe Gilberti and his efforts to bring primary water to the entire world. Like I said earlier, that story is ten times fucking bigger than this, So if anybody wants to check that out, it's out for free. They had to pull it off of YouTube. It should be back on there because we

Wow.

Yeah, so we did it.

All the labooo dolls.

But it's still still still a good episode. I had to check that one out that y'all did.

Please it's it's it's not my story. I just, like I said, I asked God for purpose and he dropped this story in my lap. And I was literally the only person on the internet who found it and gave a shit about it. And now it's about possibly uh have its own documentary if NDS has anything to do with it.

So beyond this, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. I didn't think it was when I first heard about it. I was like, okay, okay, but then once I got like the full the full story, it's yeah, it's pretty wild. It's a very deep story.

Thank you. Uh yeah yeah. And uh, where was I at? Oh? I was thanking the chat that's right. Sorry, Uh yeah, thank you everybody that was packed. It was from old channels too. I appreciate everybody saying stuff and comment there. That's where we go live. Uh, that is the end of another cult rejects and until the next one, everybody be will.

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