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You know, the innocence project here and the matters of the case of Scott Peterson and the death of his wife an unborn child. You know, a lot of is the is the topic we're talking about here tonight, right, Scott Peterson went to got convicted.

What well?

I think I think I think the murder went down in two thousand and two and then they drug it out. I think it was two thousand and five when the verdict was announced. I could be wrong about that. That's just memory shit.

I think you are correct. So it was December twenty four, twenty twenty two. Was was the alleged date. And I want to sutress alleged date because when they started off the trial, the alleged of the murder was the twenty sixth, so, which is funny they we see over the prosecute that I would again, I would assert Scott Peterson did not do it.

The evidence asserts the same.

There's no evidence against the man, but we see a lot of the same parallels between this case and many other cover ups and cases.

So I actually want to start off this episode by saying, much like in the OJ episode, you guys are gonna have to sell it to me, because I think there's three camps that you can be in. Scott Peterson did it, He's innocent, but and he was set up to make it look like he did it, or Lacy was never a real person, and this is all just a theater show. There's three keys, all right.

I haven't heard of that one man, So let's start with the theater.

On your own too. Yeah.

Well, and I have a couple of pieces of evidence to me.

I'm not against that at all. I liked these kind of ideas. Whatever, whatever works best as for as, but what are the known facts we can establish? When the known facts we can established, Scott Peterson did not do it. The case is fabricated in every regard so, and we can establish that much, Well, then what else is fictional?

Right? Where does the magic end?

It's really just two camps.

It's this is a real story and there's a narrative going on, and he's either innocent or guilty or yeah, it's just fucking bullshit.

I think he did it if it is common denominator, if you if you may.

I think he didn't do it if it's real.

We'll start off by letting everybody know that Juju is going to be teamed up on here.

Yeah, it's two against one. And that's fine because I told JJ when we did the OJ show that I thought he did it.

Well, I find it interesting.

I mean that's what he started the OJ show, and I keep getting a requests for more OJE. Not the drink, but more analysis on the case.

I never I never told you this, but years ago I heard you talking to about Idaho four with Nick and you mentioned the OJ thing, and I told Nick, Hey, dude, could you like set me up with that JJ guy, I want to do a thing about OJ. And for years he just like, oh, I'll talk to him. Oh I talked to him. He said he's down. Oh, we'll

But I find it interesting.

I don't mean to talk shit, but this is the first time I've ever hearing of any request to speak.

I know that now, trust me, I figured that out. But it's because I.

Just want to let you know I was ignoring anything.

I mean, no, no, no, no, this is not this is just it finally happened, and you did it with her, and it's a way better show than ours would have been, probably because she thought so then she brought her same thing, her same conclusion to this. So I just find it interesting that as a conspiracy theorist when it comes to true crime, ship Julia just watches the the documentaries.

The because I'm going off the information provided.

But like with.

If I made it to be fair, they're very compelling. Magic show. Well he financed, well organized, well perpetrated. Yeah, for sure, for sure, and they do a good job. I mean again, it's hard to defend a scumbag, right, I mean again, let's be honest with you. Scott Peterson's kind of a scum bag, and that.

Was the defense said ship like that, defending it.

You got you got to recognize the facts. Though, right, I do agree with Garry Goos in that regard. If you want to try to he's gotten ship over there. He's still that clip I have. He's still defending Scott Peterson today. So he's always defended Scott Peterson and some people folks have said he did it in the wrong way. I don't think so. He was up against a fucking mountain, you know. And it's the same thing with Brian Coberger. The media convict him nothing in the courtroom, did you know? So?

I think Gary Goes, actually, in my opinion, was in on the Scott Peter set up because he ignored key fucking witnesses. He ignored stuff that went on with the cadaver dogs. He could have admitted a lot of stuff in his defense that would amit Scott look a lot more innocent, and he didn't.

You make a fantastic argument, sir. I'm in the same That's where I see all of the things you all have said so far about this case.

I sit on in that same position.

Without four I can't confirm these people are actually dead, there's no record of any of their desks with any outside of what law enforcement's provenly lied across the Specialum Activities has said. There's no independent, verifiable evidence of their deaths. There's no probate court cases for their estates to set all their debts. And you know, you know their their moneys, which they did have properties that's documented, so like vehicles

Of holes there.

I kind of want to walk through the timeline and I'm gonna tell you as the timeline unfolds why I think he's guilty, and you can just debate me and tell me how wrong I am.

But that's a great way to do it, is I like that and worked out well with the OJ stuff too, Man.

Yeah, because I think as the story progresses, in my opinion, he just looks more and more and more and more guilty.

So are you gonna I don't disagree.

He didn't do himself any favors, and if I want to, if I may kick it off on that note, So let's imagine the scenario where this dude did not do it right, which is again, all the evidence supports that none of the evidence of the state provided, even the fictional shit, really provides any sort of anything better than

So I know why they did that too.

What's that, sir?

I think I know why they did that. Why is that because the.

Timeline with the Medina robbery did not fit the timeframe And they even fucking said first, those two guys said, you know, they didn't deny doing the robbery, and then they said they did it on the twenty seventh, and they were like, well, the Medinas were home from their Christmas trip like late the twenty sixth or early the

So that's exactly that's.

Exactly what went on there.

Yeah, and if you look at the rest of the details and how they even got to that point, it's ridiculous. So it is the street, the home across the street got robbed, and those guys were apparently suspects at some point in time. There's two robbers, and one of them made statements about her interacting with her Lacy Peterson well, you know, in the course of that robbery on a jail phone call.

And then the yeah, the same thing. I don't have that anymore.

The lieutenant of the correctional facility called the prosecutor and the cops and the defense. I don't know did they call the defense on that one. I might be mixing sh it up, but I think he did. And they all he said, yeah, I have these two brothers in here, Scott and something tempering to Temperington or some shit.

The other guy's name is Scott too, I think.

I think so the two the Burlers.

No, these two brothers in this correctional facility. There was a phone call between two brothers. One of those guys was like Scott temp Temperton or Tempington, I don't remember.

Now, but that and he they just destroyed r what's that?

Yeah, But they just they just destroyed.

They recognized that she was talked about in that conversation, but who knows where the tape went.

But I have a problem with this because his alibi for it went down on the twenty fourth, right, officially the twenty fourth.

Well that's that's well, that's their statement.

But before we get there, they and doing so in the state that she even going back to the twenty fourth, they ignore the ten eyewitness statements over the standard route of her travel of walking your dog after she had breakfast on the twenty fourth with Scott, her husband, and he's accounted for during that time afterwards. Again, the chronology of events, it never fits. There's nothing imports in their

See, so okay, why did he tell everybody? Why did he tell everybody that he went golfing and then later told everybody that he went fishing.

Well, I'll get to that in a second. That's a good question, because again, the guy's a scumbag. Was she his eight eight months pregnant?

Wise, That's my thing is he probably was fucking around.

Do you think that was the only girl he was begging?

He admitted later on that it wasn't.

I don't know if he if he meant at the same time, but he said there there had been others, and he didn't really specify as far as I know what that meant.

There was evidence of others again, he admitted. So again the state focused on that amber for Iolady because they need to focus on his upset, his alleged obsession with her, of which there was no evidence.

Of that sou but to the to the fact that if the murder did accurrent on the twenty fourth, you'd have to ignore, and the state did. Then eyewitness accounts of normally see Lacy Peterson walking her dog on a normal route. The dogs later found on its leash.

Outside by name fucking buddy.

Yeah.

I mean, so, if Scott Peterson kills her, then how do you have to count for the dog in these eyewitness statements? And then you have to count for her going home after that? And the forensic data of her their computer showed search results for sunflower dresses or something like that, which is something she was a big shit everything with sunflowers.

With Lacy Peterson.

Somebody was searching sunflower dresses with sunflower patterns on it, you know, at like one o'clock in the afternoon on the twenty four. So then you have her that one during the time of that robbery.

Right.

Do you know how they explained that one away?

I think they just ignored it.

Because why did he lie about going to the golf court.

I have a theory on all of it where I think it makes perfect sense what Scott was up to and why he lied, and why he knew his wife was either missing or dead, and.

Why like that, they said Lacy had a doctor's note that she was supposed to be on bedrest, that she should not have been walking the dog that day because she was having fainting spells.

Well, regardless of all that, we will talk about that. I think Scott Peterson, he was working for this fertilizer company that opened up a new thing and they were selling androgynists hydroxide, and Scott had some neo Nazi witnesses come forward and talk about conversations. It looked like his parents were laundering money through the kids.

Yeah, and let's unpack that for a moment, sir. We're dealing with this with a case in meth Desto, California, the meth capital of America. Methm fatima is one of the primary products, is what you just identified, and the production and manufacturer meth.

You need those chemicals in that fertilizer.

Yes, you're right.

His father got him hooked into these things. And his father and mother run an interesting import export business out of San Diego.

And they're buying their kids, one of them, like his one of his half brothers, is basically a retard, and they were buying and that's the one whose idea he had, I believe, And they were buying these kids homes and then switching whose names the mortgages were on in very odd ways. And then you got to account for the fact that all these people he's running with, he's going

If this is real, that's what I think.

I think you're honest on the serto. I think that's that's certainly.

I'm not exactly in the complete agreement with your assessment, but your general assessment. I am if there's something going on here, if it did happen for real, he pissed somebody off, and drugs were involved in the Mets productions, and he's white nationalist you're talking about.

That's a major episent in factivity. There were all that dating back.

To the manson air when he was running meth with the Hell's Angels through that region.

Yes, I think it's all the same playbook there.

And I think it's the same network.

Julia.

Yes, Julia talks about how there's this note from the doctor and all this stuff, and that's maybe true. But speaking of the baby, people have pointed out that that she would have been thirty one weeks along when this happened, and they find like a pristine looking newborn then they find her body. Now they said the baby was like thirty six to thirty seven weeks the no eight weeks that's what.

Yes, But how.

Far along was she when this kidnapping or whatever went down? She was thirty one weeks along, that is true.

Let's put a pin on that, because that's the forensics that everyone ignored. So there was some distinct differences in decomposition between the alleged torso that's what they found and then they would later claim was DNA through blood and DNA they proved that that was Lacy Peterson's torsos that came up from the water, allegedly anchored down by some concrete anchors built by her husband, allegedly again not proven.

Yeah.

And I was trying to talk to her about this last night because it just it gives a lot of credence to the fact that she was held longer. I mean, they didn't find her body till April, and they're like, yeah, the ocean is unforgiving, and then she's missing extremities and most of her organs never found her head. Now, that looks to me like that's not something the ocean did.

So everyone needs that against them, and Sandy Coburger, if you have no evidence, that's evidence against them. And if you don't, if you have evidence of him being somewhere, well then we'll pen we'll put the evidence in that area.

So everyone knew he went, he said he from day no. One.

He never lied to law enforcement about any of his activities outside of this claim of the fishing and the golfing thing the Joliys mentioned. I do think that's the most interesting portions of his tail, because the rest of his chronology of events to law enforcement.

He's not a good liar. It's proven to not be a good liar.

The only thing because he tried to lie, the only thing you know, to try to lie about to law enforcement was his affair, and they quickly found that out.

And then to me, the anchor thing, I think he may have been dumping product or something for these fucking people.

That's what I'm saying, Dude, you have well, first of all, so you have and the production of mathema vetemanes. You have with all these chemicals, I've never made math. I've never even seen breaking bad but brought to us by one of Charles Manson's friends, Brian Cranston, friends with Charles Manson.

His word's not mine. They knew each other anyhow.

Yeah, strangely, why is it always Manson's buddies bringing always always processed fuckers bringing us all this degradation to society.

Weird, right, So there's a lot of byproduct, so they have to do something with that.

You can't just go throat and you know, in a ways you gotta have you know, where'd you get all these chemicals you're dumping?

Oh?

I make meth at home, you know. I mean you got to do something with it. So what's a great way to do it? Build some concrete anchors, go throat in the ocean to one of your dudes who's out there fishing every week or something like that, because the guy is a big fisherman. His first day with Lacy Peterson was fishing. Okay, I'm a big fisherman. I'm a live in a van down by the river. I live I'm a fucking mountain man. I've never taken my first

But he didn't have the boat. He bought the boat the day he told Amber Fry that his wife was dead.

So he's a lie.

But why tell her my wife is dead?

And then we are not we are not debating whether or not Scott Peterson was a scumbag liar.

We all know that. But what was he trying to cover up with his life.

Before December ninth? What?

What?

How do you explain? What was he you saying he bought the boat on December ninth because he was dumping drugs.

He was always fishing, he was renting. So let's let's unpack evers saying. Let's also note back to his father. His father's went and got him this job again. And let's also know that according for whatever reason, I don't know, so the state try to pretend like this, this identity that Scott Peterson had created for himself with Amber Fry on those recordings, that they had her do right, which he again was very apologetic to her for lying et cetera, et cetera.

You know what I mean.

So there's a lot of things that we said about his behavior there that doesn't really yield to appoint to him being guilty, but it was framed that way, and they were framing as an obsession with this lady, and again he by his own emission, was banging the other ladies. He has a scumbag, but that is That's what I mean. So what other scumbag activities into? So he's he's always fishing, so he's renting boats, he's doing these other things. He's going to Cairo. He's going to, uh, give me one second.

Oh yeah.

So you know, when we're trying to parse out with Scott Peterson, did or did not do here? I mean he's obviously hiding since again what is he hiding?

Right? What activities was he into? What was he doing on on these fishing trips.

Why is a fertilizer salesman who became the top fertilizer salesman for that company, a company that's out of Spain. I believe it is, if I'm not mistaken or as some weird European connections and Peterson's going to Cairo, He's going to Belgium, He's going to there's another far off destination that he's going to. Hey, yo, there's an other far off destinations going to. What where's he going through these times that the state would later claim that he's

Yeah, but it's worth note the androgenous hydroxide is an ineffective and more expensive fertilizer than what's on the market for farmers in the area.

Yet he's a top salesman. Who's he selling this shit too?

I want to see your seats on that shit, because yes, this guy, I'll just say, he's got some corn pop qualities to him.

He's a bad dude and he's hanging. He's running with some bad boys.

So those bad boys definitely are behind this in my opinion, and the evidence of the fetus and the I think they turned him over to the process or whoever else is fucking running satanic rituals in that area. I mean, this is the area and they were also searching fresh waterways in the foothills of the Sierras, and made me think of all these fucking program to kill people that

Scott could have been fishing or dumping bodies.

Okay, but can I mean, that's a good question. What it begs the question what else was going on and they were looking for? Right?

But all right, all right, let me back it up just a little bit. Okay, just backing up a little bit. The day that she supposedly went missing, right, he if he didn't do it himself, he knew she was already fucking dead, or that she was about to be fucking dead.

That was part of my argument.

He comes home, he does a load of laundry for himself, he eats a piece of pizza, he takes a shower, he's moseying around the house. Then he calls her mom and was like, Hey, if Lacy's not over there, I guess she's missing.

Which is when the nonchalant is fucked, which is when the reported nine one one call was made by her stepfather. Yeah, I think all that can track. Scott did not look like he was in mourning. He was a poor an addict, he was a sex addict, and he kept that ship going after all this went down. Yeah, he doesn't do himself any favors. And yeah, this is not about what he knew.

Was going on. Right, they all knew something was going on the media frame he was trying to go to Mexico. He may have been, we don't know for sure.

But when he dyed his hair and had his brother's driver's license, all those things, camping equipment and his mother bottom of car, et cetera. Well, here's the deal. The whole family knew they were in that he was in some ship. Because the whole family's involved in some ship, it seems right.

So we look after the.

Like a cult, like a processed style cult, ride dealing drugs, like just like that same area with with the Hell's Angels and Charles Manson with with a mathem Medesto for decades earlier. We're to assume that's an extension of a similar network or same network. We're going to see the same activities and patterns, and we do so the fact that we see the family doing all these weird things

He indicated he knew something. He knew because he knew that he was involved with the ship.

I mean, that's not easy to get, right, fifteen thousand.

In cash, well, not by your normal means. But also, he didn't have money on record. He was fucking up to his eyeballs in debt, That's what I'm saying. And he was wealthy, but it wasn't on paper because it couldn't be.

So that you're saying, that's where the fifteen thousand in cash came from.

This guy's traveling around buying new shit. They were not a product of wealth. Her parents had some money, yeah, but not a lot of.

Thousand in cash.

All right, With that narrative that you're presenting, how do you account for the fifteen k.

I'm saying, if he's got this money and he's not the one who did it, he knew from fucking Jump Street she was dead.

That tracks with what I'm trying to You guys are read Oh yeah, that's what I agree.

So have you guys either read or seen Gone Girl? Yeah? Do you know what I think? This guy looks Ben Affleck.

Yeah he does.

When I watched Gone Girl, I kept thinking of this case me too. I was like, wait a minute, what is David Fincher, director of Hollywood. CIA heard saying. Because it's always David Fincher. He gave us the social network, he gives us these cut and dry fucking He used to be a great filmmaker.

Now he makes propaganda.

And I think that that Gone Girl was another nod to Scott Peterson.

Zodiac was kind of propaganda.

I think so too.

Zodiac's very propaganda. I think it's total great movie too.

I loved the movie. But it's just a story.

It's not it's a good story. They told us.

It's a fanciful tale, right, brought to us by Robert Smith, not Robert gray Smith. His name is Roberts gray Smith the third. His father was the US Air Force colonel.

Did he sing in the band The Cure?

Right? The Uh?

Well, here, let's look at these details there. So he's lying about going on a fishing trip because they doesn't want people to know he bought this secret boat. He doesn't want Bill knows and got a secret boat because he's dumping drug stuff and you know, for other parties in the ocean, is what we're saying, right Colby?

Yeah, and why why the homemade anchors? If you just killed your wife, you're gonna make an anchor, you'd go.

Buy a fuck.

He lied about the anchors.

He lied about it because of what he was really doing. He didn't want to go down for a good lie.

About the concrete, he said, he about the concrete for his driveway. But you're not gonna tell no. I'm buying the concrete to build these anchors to say drug you know, you know.

The the byproduct of drug drug manufacturer.

He's such a sitting duck for a setup.

He also said that when he went fishing that morning, that he was using some type of silver lure.

At first, he didn't know what he was using. If you if you listen to the cops, and then he lied because apparently they were talking about sturgeon fishing at one point. I mean, they focused a way too much on that because obviously this guy's a liar.

He makes himself look like dog shit because he.

Couldn't have made himself look any guilty or we're on the same page.

Let's agree he's a liar. Let's agree that he made a bunch of he did lie a couple times in the police. But the overwhelming narrative is chronology events that they you know what location he was at. He was still doing an activity he didn't golfing because he's dumping drug stuff.

Probably right, he had to have a cover story for what he was doing.

Right, right, So, but in investigating that, they never put him in any place to put him in the fundamental aspect of an investigation homicides, specifically, you gotta you gotta find your your suspect has to have a nexus point with about the victim and the crime scene. They never found a crime scene and nexus point or even a weapon.

Yes, they completely tried him in the court of publicion with circumstantial evidence that looks horrible. There's no fucking way they could have gotten a fair jury in this trial. There is no fucking way. They couldn't have moved it to the moon.

Well, and on top of this, they just made up out right.

Look, look, let's look at this stuff with the boat, so he went he did to go fishing he went on the water. That was later proven they used a sniffer dog, a bloodhound that was not certified, that failed at certifications, and they gave it an item of clothing that had both Lacey and Scott sent on it, and then they claimed that it tracked Lacey down a pier where she was then taken into the water, and then

Yeah, they were.

It was on record that this dog And I find this number funny. I was telling Julia last night he was wrong sixty six percent of the time. So knowing that and knowing all the witness testimony that's left out of this trial, if you look at the circumstantial evidence, and you look at the stuff that wasn't admitted, that would make him look even like there is a possibility of his innocence.

Yeah, this was he was railroad.

So are you saying that him dumping the drugs in his boat is the reason why weeks prior to her missing.

Well, he's not dumping drugs.

First of all, he is he is he is the guy, the chemical guy, and so he had to get rid of that ship.

Like JJ was saying, he.

Dumped the broad byproduct, right, That's how I look at it.

Yeah, well I was just gonna say, is that why prior to her missing? Uh, he was researching tides?

Mm hmm, he's dumping something. He's not dumping the body though. He looks guilty if you know the mainstream, but you don't know what this guy was really up to.

Yeah, he looks guilty.

If we're going along with the gone girl narrative. Though, do you think the body that they found was even.

I think it's a little nod in a wink.

I don't know exactly what ahead this wasn't find legs arms. All they found was like tits in a stomach.

Yeah, that ship was fucking sacrifice to Moloch. We'll never find the.

Head, Okay, But I'm saying, like, well, begs the question, Jode, answer your question.

It begs the question.

When they do present later forendsic Evidence claiming they did DNA testing and confirm it was Lacy and Connor, right, the baby and the mother there the bodies they located the torso and then the baby. Well, we to believe them when they've lied so many other times across the case.

So you're saying that might not have even.

Been I'm saying I'd like to you know, once again, once they lie so many times, Man, it's hard to believe them when they make that. When they made that conclusion later, you know, when we we can point to things that they demonstered me a lot about it, and then the state would not you know, uh, obfuscated items from the defense. For example, there was much like the Coburger defense or the case they the Coburger's defense requested

Let me let me look.

Let me bring you up another case of this. This case reminds me of So. This guy just got denied parole. He got fifteen years alive for the murder of his wife here in Ohio back in two thousand and eight, Ryan Whidber.

Right, God damn, just looking at him.

So there was no there was no evidence in this case. His wife died in the bath tub. He had a very suspect story. He was also cheating on his wife, I believe, or at least trying to maybe like a dating profile or something maybe who knows.

I remember that precise of me. He was actually falling through that or trying to.

But nonetheless, there was in fidelity and there was no evidence saying she she had a medical condition. And the claim was that she had that medical condition of the seizure and died and drowned in her bathtub while he was downstairs watching TV. And again there was no evidence that he drowned her. Again, they based it was a purely on this guy's scombag and etcetera, etcetera. The lead detective in this this guy sits in prison. He just

Have you heard of the Chris Watts.

Case?

Yeah, yeah, get a lot of messages to look into that.

Well. I don't whether that guy's guilty or not. What I do know.

Is that they use the same exact script almost to a t.

The only difference is the kids were alive.

That so uh retire Grateful Police Police Department Ray Falls Montanna Police Department detective John Cameron, who wrote the seminal study on Edward Wayne Edwards, the serial killer you've probably never heard of. He asserts a large spectrum of murders that Edward Wayne Edwards is responsible for. I assert he's onto something, but adds like the general in a hand of Death cult, you know, like his buddy owedis tool that he knew right who claims of being part of

I think Ed was in charge of that playbook, and it's an older playbook too somebody else, and it's.

A very CIA chaos playbook because adds documented to be part of the CIA Project Chaos stuff like.

Ed and Ted.

So you're thinking that's what happened with Lacey.

I'm thinking it was not something that could just coincidentally have happened, and it's not fucking tied to all this stuff that we do know went on in that same area for decades and it doesn't even matter because what.

It still goes on today, right, So I don't know what was your question.

You think that this this is like a blueprint.

Yeah, I think that if.

Him, I think if the late great David McGowan hadn't met his demise however that may have happened, that he would have got onto this stuff and he would have continued his program to kill work, and he would have pointed out these networks because it's the same fucking thing.

Well, I'm trying to think of other stuff that people bring up about the case that makes him look guilty.

Oh, there's there's loads of it.

I mean sites Amber Fry which they love to point out about that he would say stuff like, Oh, I'm not I haven't even been in the nursery. I can't even stand to look at it. And then when they served the second search warrant, they found that he took all the baby stuff out yea into then he sold her car, he put the house up for sale. This does not this is This is not a man. This guy in his pregnant wife.

He probably already grieved before the press even knew any of this has happened. And I think that this guy was in bug out mode. He's waiting for this ship to die down. If it's going to he's gonna fucking get out.

And he tried shit shit is it?

The fan? Yeah, probably lives. They don't know, they don't know where it's going to end, and they.

Don't know that if Scott goes down that he's not gonna fucking talk.

They probably wake up every morning going.

Is today the day that Scott really says what happened and implicates all of us?

And that's probably part of it too, man. So let's look at something.

I'm gonna answer both of your all his points there if I may, And let's look at some of the chronology of events. Here, so you know, uh, he for example, he was renting cars and going to the bay when they were doing these searches. Well, he didn't want to go there in his own car. I mean, obviously it looks suspicious. But at the same time, you know, he knows they're trying to frame him. I mean, if you know you're trying to frame I'm prop up my mind in his mind, my brain holding his brain hole, if

I've never heard of that.

Really.

Oh yeah she was she That was the big media headlines is, oh, Scott Peterson murders after April when they found her the torso right, Scott Scott Peterson murdered his wife April two thousand and two, Scott or two other three, I apologize Scott Peterson murder's wife and now he's a suspect on the disappearance of another college student from the from their university where they were at where they met.

JJ.

I want to ask you something real quick. Just this picture of Lacy that you had just had up there. Julia and I last night were wondering, are there any pictures of her full term pregnant, because everything is like this, it's from the chest up.

I've only ever seen one, sir, Yes, I know your theory is this is this is not a real person.

I know. I like addressing all these theories as we're going through that.

They could easily fake a pregnant photo. That's the other thing, like, hey.

Well we just talked about how with JJ actually how they have fake bumps and fake fucking all kinds of stuff with pregnant women.

Watch a movie where someone's watch Megan Markle walking around, Well.

Just don't watch that movie with Charlie stair On because she gained a sixty pound beer belly and she's not wear a fake fake baby bump. Totally totally isn't Maybe Oh yeah, I've only ever seen one other photo than this one where she's laying and appears to be full term, and she's laying down on a couch and you can kind of see the belly hanging out of a T shirt.

That could even be angle. Think of a woman not pregnant. She's got her feet up on an ottoman right now. Picture this if you will. All I'm saying is I don't see like a picture out there where she's eight months pregnant. You say you have seen one, though.

I'll find it. I'll find it on I'm referring to I like because no, I'm just asking you to think about this.

In nineteen ninety six, Pamela Anderson starred in the film Barbed Wire, and she they superimposed some of her face on some other lady's body, even though allegedly even though Pamela Anderson imposed naked or playboy that she didn't want to pose, you know, be nude in this new film for Hollywood. So we know that technology allegedly exists to

So they had found evidence of such with John Benay, I believe of taking evidence of her picture being distributed like that with you know, super imposts allegedly, right.

Yeah, one hundred, one hundred well pictures.

I'm just saying this is what reporting. Gary Singler's pre trustworthy source and in regards as reporting.

Yeah, well, I was just gonna say, if we go on the theory, Lacey, this whole thing is staged and it never happened. I haven't seen one ultrasound picture. I never saw one iota of a baby anything in this entire case. Like if I died tomorrow and I was murdered and they found my fucking carcass somewhere, I have so many pictures that they could show my belly they could,

Speaking of which, Julia brought up an interesting point that I didn't know about last night while we were talking about this, because since around the baby stuff, she told me that the fucking nursery theme was boats and a life raft like a life saver rig.

That, oh yeah, you want your pa.

And a life rap.

I got a picture of her.

What poetic irony right there.

If it's staged, that's part of it exactly.

Maybe that room wind never had ship in it and it was storaged for a while, who knows.

So that this is the.

Family of Peterson runs this website Scott Peterson Appeal dot org, and they have they have they have the case summaries and facts appeal information, et cetera. And they have all this information timelines, et cetera. So we can look at some of this stuff in that boat and the Lacey sidings. Right again, some of the evidence that was ignored, not in inentered into evidence.

Again.

So what we're saying here also in regards to if this was all, you know, a kind of a fictional event, right to distract from some month that something else in this maybe drug network. You know, let's let's just say,

Yes, And I just was a little tangent I was going to bring it up a little while but ago when Amber came up, she was exonerated as soon as the cops found out about her.

They heard her story out. This is what they say.

They heard her story out. They publicly announce Amber Fry has come forward. She's done honest with us. We're exonerating her. She's not a suspect.

But she lawyers up and gets this high profile celebrity lawyer.

Why did she lawyer up up? They say, we are not looking into her whatsoever. She's cooperating with us. There's the prego pic.

Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting point, man, it's an interesting point.

Well, in your opinion, why would in these circumstances that they set for set out for us, why does she need to.

I mean, I agree, it's not a strong there's not a strong case for to get an attorney that respect, and this.

High profile celebrity attorney.

Yeah.

And by the way, this this high profile celebrity attorney approached her and said I will represent you for free.

And it does scream you know.

Well, you have to take that and consider in the context of circumstances. Also, I may because you have to understand that what they used her for in the prosecution, so they had her do all these secret phone calls, which, by the way, it's California's two party consent state.

I'm just saying, there you go the mel Gibsondom.

Right or that or the Clippers owner, remember that one?

Oh do I that racist son of a bitch right the attorney.

You'll you'll like this JJ, the attorney that represented Amber. He's an all Red Mormon. Fucking Gloria. Oh it was Gloria.

I know. Yeah, it's either her daughter. I couldn't remember which one it was. They're always involved in these That's what I'm saying. So she started unpacking the anatomy of these high profile events. You start seeing these patterns of the same people in activities.

Dude, when you told me it was a high profile celebrity, like I said, she told me this last night. I didn't know it was Gloria. That just adds credence to the sensationalization of the trial.

All Red.

They also I've seen Nancy Grace go off about this case and all she does is say he's guilty, he was a he was a philanderin cheater, and it's like, okay, but where's the evidence of him killing her? You're just taught you're doing character defamation here. You're not laying out a compelling case that he's guilty. It's just like we told you he's guilty, he did this, this.

This, and this.

We don't need to talk about real evidence.

Well, I think that's I think that's where Nancy Grace came on the stage was in this case.

Right mm hmm. I think it's one of the things that brought her to.

National public public mindset. Huh h.

Is there a picture of the crib by itself?

JJ Let me let me look at here, because that's where.

She had like all the little boat stuff and like the life preserver raft. Yes, ma'am, that is not that is not traditional baby stuff.

Look.

Yeah, I mean I understand we're saying that. I'm not I'm not just crediting it. I do, like, I like your brain holes out on this theory. But they again, their first day was fishing, was a big fisherman.

It tracks, but it just adds a little twist to them.

I feel like it adds to the twist of this is staged as fucked, just like how they brought up Martha Stewart and how the episode of Martha Stewart that she was supposedly watching that morning about making merangue pie or whatever, and they had to play that episode for everybody in the court.

I believe it was Krimberlet.

It was merangue pie.

Well, I heard another story where he was going to be making she was going to be making French toast.

I mean it depends on another story that she was supposed to be making a gingerbread fucking.

House and he calls her about getting a fruit basket.

Yeah.

I mean, they really build up this big Christmas dinner that tragically.

Is going on.

There is a lot of that.

There is a lot of narrative building that goes on around both sides of this case. You don't make us some good points, So if we we're just we can go past the lies and just want to point out that his family does make a good argument for all these lies and points out the only that he lies the police about is that golf fishing instead of golf and an amber fry and is an accurate statement. And they didn't have even well, I have a clip from

Yeah, and also I think the thing with Annember getting an attorney, I think Amber is a liar too. I think Amber knew he was married, and then when this missing person thing came to attention, she was like, oh, fuck.

Well, now now you're gonna bring Now you're dancing to my territory of theory, sir, so, I think Scott Peterson, like much like many people involved in these high profile events that are being framed as Patsy's and situations, are part of a sex coal. I'm not gonna say it's

Do they just think of these nicknames on a whim or these su they're creative?

Right, doctor James James Garfield president and then Langley the headquarters of the CIA.

Right, We'll never know what it really meant. Oh, I never got together really and Cameron.

In Camera's book on Edwards, he does point out a number of cases where Edwards is caught framing people and testifying or providing uh information to police as informants against the murders he commits. So in these theories, if he was set up and he set up, Camera makes a very strong case for this one because it's the Ed's psychosis or psychopathy was diagnosed the age of thirteen, when he was also diagnosed and given an IQ test of

So he's talking about Peterson when he says.

That, Yeah, the key there is he would have inserted himself into Scott Peterson's life. Noticed Let's say, for example, he's Peterson's part of this cult network that AD's part of. So that's how he initially gets even brought in to even find a patsy to set up, find finds a patsy that fits his omo, that's a cheating his spouse, because it's easy then to blame that person first and foremost it fits Eds, you know, is you know, mental

Well, then it's not that big of a jump.

Don't think to assume he's in a sex cult when he's got all these you know, female partners. We're processing cell situation, right.

So what's your opinion on Amber then, because you said as dancing in your brain hole on that.

I think she's a whore. I think she's a she's a dirty whore. And I think she was used for by the state for the state's ends. And I think most of what she said later was to fit their narrative. And she did all these recordings with him after between December and April that she did all these recordings, and you know, none of the ship even he says, seems indicat he was guilty of anything other than being a you know, cheating spouse and a bitch Peterson.

And a fucking processing and drug runner.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, he's a perfect He's a perfect Patsy. So you know he's a dumb and depraved. We know those things, right, He's not I mean, he's not intelligent and we know he's depraved. So's if it's the mold of somebody would be involved in that. He's got a number of cheating with a number of women, that that's another characteristic, then we could throw in that bucket.

Seems to be involved in the meth production.

That again, Charles Manson and the Hell's Angels were doing meth in Modesto fifty sixty years ago, right seven years ago now, so times haven't changed much. I think it may still be the same network. And speaking of the Idaho for the victim's family, Kaylee Gunzalvez, her father who wears Hell's they do family photos with Hell's Angel stuff on, and their family photos up there in Quardolen, Idaho, you know, a few miles away from that Arian nation's compound. Tho'se Nazis,

Well, if I can just be honest with you, Amber looks like I mean, Lacey was beautiful if she was a real person. But they pull out these pictures of Amber and then you see her and it's like, where the fuck did you get this one from? She looked like she she had like bleached blonde hair, big blue eyes.

You know.

She they may have found her in the valley doing porn with that twin raised lady.

Yeah, That's what I'm saying is she looked like a porn star, didn't.

She like the girl next door? Now search know then your porn searches the girl do in the trailer park?

What's that said?

The trailer park next door?

The girl in the next trailer Yeah, the.

Double, the double? Why down the street? Say even in the idea that this is a fictional event, I mean, how where else would you find a compromise individual to play the part the porn industry? Great spot? You loving to recruit somebody for that role. It's a great spot.

She really does look like that though. And then her attorney like I said, I'll represent.

You for free glow Jello. Why I didn't know that was her? That's blowing my mind.

Yeah, I'd like to look at a couple of clips from Garry Gos, you know, the guy who represented Peterson, who maintains innocence today and has made some comments recently since Peterson's case has been picked up, uh by the La Innocence Project, which is different than the original Innocence Project.

Get to this whole network. What's that, sir?

I said? In the Innocence Project will be the very first to tell you that's not us.

I know they do, right.

I think that's a good thing to differentiate. So we see the Innocence Projects born out of the Orenthal James Simpson case and is not his dream team, his nightmare team. And we see a lot of bullshit around that connecting to the Idaho four case too, just saying, but we see this, this organization by his attorney, Barry Shrek, was was created to suddenly use all this new fangled technologies

This is from the OJ trial.

That's where I was born out of. Really, so Barry Shrek started the project right before.

The Ornthal James Simpson case and then joined that team and this was really propelled into the international fame of this project.

But the one that represents Scott indifferent.

Yeah, that's the La Innocence Projects, that's.

Correct, Yes, yep.

So this the original Innocence Project, took in twenty million dollars in twenty twenty, and that's a lot of money and the way they spent it's very interesting.

And uh.

No, you go ahead after we're done talking about the Innocence Project and get back to the LA I'll make money.

Yeah, I just want to get it.

I just want to get a quick I want to make sure my numbers is correct because I haven't looked at h in a few years, but I feel like a number of years ago they had like two hundred and thirty eight total exoneration. So it's it's important to consider that because no one wants liability. The states don't want liability.

Uh the I heard we go.

I'm sorry, I was off by a factor of ten. It's twenty nine and thirty nine convicted defendants who were exonerated through DNA. So you know that's important to note though, because what are they doing with all that money and no state?

No state?

So let's just say Scott Peterson did not do it. Is again, as I started off this conversation, that's my position, Well, he would sue the State of California when main's dollars, just like Steven Avery did right when he when he did that in Wisconsin. So these ideas of the innocence projects are a fucking are part of the sy op of mine opinion. There's no one trying to exonerate anybody.

Well, and you had to get into that he actually reached out to them, and the story goes, and I do believe the evidence that they're talking about right now because I mentioned earlier JJ said there was ten witnesses that saw the dog walk and one that stuck out to me.

I know about three of them. In particular.

One guy was gassing up his car, saw Lacey walking by, described similar clothes to another guy that saw on the same street. Remembers looking at the dog side note dog star dogs come up way too fucking often in this try no, but anyway, so they see her and then a woman I think this is the most damning evidence of all sees an orange van sees at the Medina household on the twenty fourth. This is her testimony. She

Have you heard that's corrector if I may, that's a brown van though, right, because that's part of the confusion that's been going on.

I've noticed in it was orange when I heard it.

Oh, I think, well, I.

Think the orange van is the new piece of evidence they've introduced to this and it's this project stuff that the law enforcement never tested. And I got a clip on that. The van I think that was the connected

No, you're right. So the state tried to conflate these vans and they did a good job of it.

So the states, the state said brown or tan.

No, there was two different vans, and they try to make everyone believe that. Pay no attention to the orange van with the blood in it.

Right, Yeah, a bloody mattress.

And I got a claim on that from the guy who found it, from the firefighter who found it, So I was wrong. There was actually twenty four sidings within her normal one mile alreadies of her home, of her dog walk.

There in court. Geregus, you fucking probably did not.

This is the first time I'm hearing about twenty four sightings.

Me too, But the tree that I know about, Yeah, obviously.

They reported the proper, proper clothing she was last seeing eating breakfast with that morning with Scott, and they reported the dog and they'd seen her before this was her normal route. So that's very interesting, right, we got all these you know, you know again the state, I mean, the state's timeline again has so many problems because they started arguing with timeline that they later changed throughout the course of their even fucking trial.

Man, it's just so weird.

Well, uh, I just wanted to say something really quick on Colby's point. Let's just say that this is all fake and staged. Yeah, engaged, okay, but let's just say that, right, and like the weirdness around, like where's the ultrasound pictures? Why was why is there conflicting information about the tour soo versus the all of it, Let's just say it's all fake and that's why it doesn't make sense. And you mentioned how often the dog comes up in this case. Guess what the name Connor means?

What Irish dog?

Lover of hounds?

Come on, lover of hounds?

All right, Julia, can I ask you at this point, I'm dying to know. Are you still? Where are you at?

This is all theater, okay, but let's pretend. Let's pretend it's real.

Though.

Is he the killer?

No?

I did it? JJ, We're not even done yet.

Nice. Well, I'm I'm trying to think this is not This may not be real because we were talking about high profile celebrity attorneys. I mean, look at look, so we got all right on one side, we got Gary gos on the other. You know, he's he was already defending Michael Jackson before this trial, right, the Jackson attorney. Later, I might I might have gotten those mistakes.

I don't know.

I think it was before. And Robert Downey Junior as well. I mean this guy was right, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Oh yeah, when Robert Downey Junior woke up in his neighbor's son's bed, Oh yeah, that's normal.

Yeah that was the Now he's a vegan, fucking Tello and also all how to live?

Fuck that guy?

Down Junior wakes up down down Malibu beach, and not even his next door neighbor just down the beach neighbor's bed of the like their twelve year old son, and he's like, oh, I thought this was my bed And then go fuck yourself from.

When you said that thing about the dog Star.

Well, yeah, the Connor thing. I didn't even know about.

Lover of Hounds.

Yeah, that's a wild dude. Well, I mean everyone, No, that's a great All these all these ancient alien cargo colt fuckers, they all love serious. So the dog Star. So that's a it's an interesting point.

Fuck.

So here Garrett Goes is gonna tell us about this new La Innocence project here and then he's gonna he's gonna go over some of the salient characteristics of why the state uh, their their bullshit case and the evidence that they didn't have against Peterson and the evidence and is you know, the exculpatory evidence if you will, it's.

Important murder trial. Mark, thanks so much for being with us.

I'm way too fast. My apologies. I could probably play as in almost speed. I think on News Nation.

Probably Yeah, I think we're allowed to show the narrative to point out that I hope, so America that picked up this case is a completely separate entity from the storied reputable Innocence Project that we are, the storied reputable innocence project in your mind and the strength of this fight.

No, not really. The Innocence Project that picked up this case was formed a couple of years ago in Los Angeles and has a somebody who used to be at a project the Loyal Law School where I went deposit pears that they've been doing.

I was, I was just I got lost in the swite.

I interrupted you.

I interrupted you because this is allays right, just like his fucking bookshelf.

What the fuck kind of bookshelf is that?

Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe, like you, No, I mean again, dude, I don't have a lot of faith in this dude's being a good attorney. Like I said, you know the statement you make about he left a lot of shit out by putting on a good show, I would say that saying about Annan Sailor's.

All right if this is fake, I just want to say, I said, he looked so much like Ben Affleck with the gone girl thing. That could fucking be Ben Affleck playing this role with the fucking little double Chin added with some prosthetics.

I mean, honestly, I'd like to do an ear compared. I like you, dude, because this could be Ted Bundy Jack Nicholson style.

Shit.

What you're saying is in this Gone Girl theory, sir, you're saying that the Gone Girl movie was depicting in real life events and they're just kind of bragging about it, not in.

A wink to it.

I think that circumstantially it's very similar the story. Like you remember the scene where you're wondering if he what's going on in his head and he's standing out in his driveway at night. Then his fucking side bitch comes up and he's.

Like, what are you doing?

You're supposed to think that fucker's guilty through the whole thing, and then you find out the bitch isn't even dead spoiler the movie.

My only question is where does Neil Patrick Harris playing to this?

Okay? Was was he in that movie?

In that movie, sir, he was the one that got marked.

I forgot all about his role of that.

That is Rosamund Pike, that scandalous bitch, the one that faked your death. So you're saying, Lacy Peterson fake your death, is what you're saying in this theory.

I'm saying it's a nod in a wink.

But yeah, I'm saying it could just be the the dog whistle to say, look again at Scott Peterson, because.

Let's present a scenario then when they're both in the colt and the somehow the cult is gonna frame him because he you know, for whatever impetus behind that whatever. And let me give you an example of another circumstances that may have occurred. So the Fight Club author speaking of David Fincher right that he didn't didn't he did fight Club right? The author, Chuck Palainook's father was murdered on May twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine in Ley Tall County, Idaho.

And furthermore, Dale and his wife seemed to be part of this, speaking of meth trafficking.

He had a.

Convicted kid Titler opened up a trucking company with his lawyer wife transporting chemicals from the ozarks of Missouri Common Area Nations Hotspot to Idaho Common Area Nations Hotspot and meth trafficking operations. And they all have sex cult stuff going on around him. He's got like three or four side pieces. When it comes to trial, they all testify against him. The woman in the burnout cabin, the wood

This wondering uterus keeps coming out.

Right, the wandering uterus case, that's a good name for it.

Because I mean, that's a legitimate We did that insanity or a mental illness series, and that was a real thing. But that they were saying made women crazy. But they looked at it as like a little hound dog that like to roam around in the woman and it would make her crazy.

But anyway, what was that.

They back in the day, they would say that the woman had a wondering uterus. If it was too high, you needed to entice it back down to the bulvar aia with some smells, or if it was too.

Low and there was like a hound dog. They said, it's like a hound dog like it was right, Yeah, exactly.

So to me, when you look at the tors so that they found, they always say, all of our internal organs are missing other than the uterus with lacy.

So the uterus just keeps coming back up in these things.

That's very interesting. Often. I'm glad you pointed that out, sir. I'm gonna go on a uterus hunt now not in real life.

Well I knew you had to, dude.

I was utterly stunned when I read that stuff on Dale Shackle for his case, his lawyers argued it in their trial. And you know what, the state, by all appearances, there's no evidence of state ever disp I can find no record of let's they just ignored it. They just igport it. You know, so you know, maybe we might be honest something there may be more importance. If you're talking about the serious worship and some sort of connections

Yeah, let's just.

Say that even if this story is fake, the way that they talk about the discovery of the torso very significant in the district. Well, we found just the torso and just the uterus. And then like Connor was found.

With the fucking string of twine tight around his neck, not something the ocean would do.

Yeah, and there was a piece of tape on his ear not accounted for. It reminds me of the John Benney case where they have the twine and the and the and the the Garrett that they've never really accounted for. The stun gun stuff. Again, things that are not that were not sourced from inside that home so and again

We did, so you'll probably get that recorded on your end.

Oh yeah, I was just saying that John that Ed Edwards theory of John Cameron. He claims that that camera's responsible for John Beaney's as well, and that Edwards was the Santa Claus that John Bane was telling everyone about, and that Edwards would have been the guy that called them and won from the home Christmas party of the day prior, just to test the response time.

Did you know that Hunter s Thompson wrote about the Santa Claus?

I didn't, John Banks, I did not know that. Actually, ma'am, here's a process connection right there.

Right and we know where he was running around at that time.

Hunter s Thompson knew the Santa Claus that John Bennet was talking about.

Or was the Santa Claus.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point, and that guy was a hero of mine at one point.

It's certainly, I mean, I like the idea It's certainly possible. It did look just like Santa Claus at that time. No, I will note that white hair white.

You're thinking Hunter was maybe running with Ed.

I think Ad again is the general of their handed death team.

So if hunters up in the pornography It's snuff film department, then he's going to know that.

The guy in the head of the fucking you know, I'll look at us the corporation. You know that. You know? Have you ever seen the film No Country for Old Men? Oh?

Yes, you know how I want to watch that with her at some point.

I'd like to invite you all for a future in cult and est hotelic review on that film. I like the book, Cormick McCarthy's book, but I like the film as well, by the Coen Brothers. And you see in that film what I'm describing here in this corporate network.

So you see.

Milton from Office Space, who lost the Staplers, operating as some sort of managerial position in Midland, Texas where the bushes are from strangely right in a you know, and when Midlands is a weird are you have nothing but west desert of Texas, And then you have like this small block of skyscrapers you see off from the distance like a mirage.

That's fucking Midland, you know, are in the Texas there. So that's what we see in the film The Yes, sir.

Did you do you think it was weird that Woody Harrelson was literally playing his father.

In that movie?

Well, that's where I was my point, sir. So we see what Harrelson playing a hitman within this network, right, which is again what his father did. And these people were just telling us their tails, right, And his father was in Texas in that era doing those things. He actually shot, shoots, gets convicted for the murder of Judge Roy Wood. I believe he's the second federal judge ever ever sitting judge, federal sitting judge ever murdered, ever murked

No, I got another one for you too. There's some monarch shit going on in that movie. Tommy Lee Jones is the fucking.

Bad guy in that movie. Oh shit, dude, do you ever see it like recently?

Do you remember right now? I remember I've seen that film a hundred of times.

Do you remember when he's sitting in the TV and he grabs the milk and then there's the scene at the end where an what's his name, Anton or I don't remember.

The Anton Antony? It is anton is you know?

And yeah, So anyway, he goes up to the wife at the end of the movie. She knows who he is.

She's seen him before, she and she knows she's gonna die. She has seen right, dude, that's right, that's right, Dan, And I mean watch it again with that Steven says.

Are you the devil? Or are you dead? Something something in that regard.

I want to watch that clip though that.

I'll bring it right up. So in regards to them, now we're going to get too far off either. So we see what Harrelson and retired US Army colonel goes to this meeting with Milton from office space in this Midland office building in Texas to describe recouping the drug money. He's one of their guys and fills a role within this network. So he knows Anton, the other hit man guy, right, and they know the people that are in the distribution network,

Mm hmm.

So Gary Goes brings up some interesting points here about the case against and lack thereof against Peterson. So I think the next one is at two minutes here, I'll fast forward to Maybe there we go an unpopular belief to have.

I mean, if you go through the so called evidence in the case, I could debunk virtually every single thing. But people have, or a lot of people have a visceral reaction to this case that was not correspond to the evidence.

Yeah, this was one of those infamous cases that the whole country followed. Speaking of the evidence, you know, I had a viewer right to me that it seems a lot of this hinges on the Medina burglary that happened, as well as the fact that police quote failed to investigate exculpatory evidence, but more police did verify the statements

Well, it actually was the first time.

The officers were trying to say that the burglary took place on the twenty six. Well, by the twenty six, as you subsequently would know, most of the news media was already camped out on that street.

You pointed that out earlier, sir. That was a very salient characteristic of the bullshit that went on in this case.

Yeah, it's one of those big things that can't be overlooked. They needed to get their story straight and they fucked up.

Yeah, but like you'd think they would do that during their investigation before he goes to trial.

I mean to me, when you're like in the middle of a frame up in real time, you're going to slip up sometimes, and when you get dates and shit wrong like that. The way they tried to reach like go back and you know, set it straight, it just made it even look more suspicious in my opinion.

That's a fair point. I got let this guy out. I'll give you one second.

I actually have a question about this right now. So when are you guys, When are you guys thinking that the burglary happened in the twenty.

Fourth, whatever day Lacey died or got nabbed.

Yeah, it happened after one o'clock on the twenty fourth, when they had them internet searches.

That Okay, that old woman just claims it was Christmas Eve when she saw the nefarious action going around that.

Yeah, there was numerous corresponding accounts that seemed to indicate that was in fact when it occurred.

Okay, so you're.

Believe because again there's so much Again, there's so much narrative that was spun here and the facts from fiction, it's tough to discern.

Much like the Idaho four case.

Yeah, and again the exculpatory evidence they did, they didn't test shit and stuff like that.

Same as Idaho four.

There's blood on that famous knife sheet every one talks about with a touch DNA that actually had blood blood on it from other males that was never tested, so unidentified. Not Coburger's blood, so not the victim's blood. So again we see the same malfeasans by authorities. I think, because Garry Goes explains, while.

An entire media scrum was out there in the middle of the street, this burglary took place number one. Number two. The other thing that has always rked me the day the jury convicted Scott. The prosecution handed me discovery on that very day that he was convicted.

Where again i'da heard did the same thing to Brian Coberger.

A lieutenant at the Chino Prison, had intercepted a call from an inmate to one of the burglars who were talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary. That tape went missing and they never disclosed that until the day of his conviction.

Yeah, Kobe respond with your assessment has the very sounding characteristics in the innocence of the fact that Scott Peterson did not do it, and the malfeasans of law enforcement. The how do you get a recording from these burglars which they shit coat the timelines and narratives around these burglers in the event, you know what I mean, they move all these timelines and then you later have a tape that gets disclosed to the defense after he signs it guilty pleae, but the tape's actually lost.

I don't understand what the significance is of that woman saying Lacey squatted down to pee.

She's probably eight and a half months pregnant and neats to pee and begs the guys to let her pee, and they make her do it right on the ground. They don't want her to go.

She's probably trying to buy time, get back in the house, try to get away or something, and they make her do it right there. She gets spotted by the old bitch and then they just yanker in the van, probably midstream.

It's certainly a plausible scenario.

And there's a mattress in there.

You'll see they keep inflating these vans.

We'll see in the next clip after Garagris the intentional conflation of these vans, which makes me, it seems to me indicates there's a lot more to both of those vans, because let's just say, maybe both fans were involved.

Maybe they was a you know, they switch vehicles to some point. We've seen that in Afflack movie. He's the town.

They do that in the town with Afflack. We're basing these theories off of Afflac films. I'm just saying, there we go.

Yeah, I hear you. What we got up next?

Oh? Shoot, my bad, I didn't say this. I thought I was dude. I'm new, I don't know what to do. I hit played dude, I'm stupid, dude. Reason I like what Sharry and I hit.

I was just watching Garret Griss myself. I didn't want you guys to join me. That's one of me and Gary Griss myself.

I'm curious.

I'm curious as an everyday American, who.

Can y'all see that in here that.

He was where a lieutenant at the prison had intercepted a call from an inmate to one of the burglars who were talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary. That tape went missing, and they never disclosed that until they of this conviction.

And I'm assuming have you talked to the La Innocence Project. I mean, I'm curious because I'm curious just as an everyday American who followed this case. I mean, in their eyes and you who just said I knew the evidence better than anybody else, what's the smoking gun here?

Yeah? What's the smoking I was waiting for guns?

It was possibly exoneration in the future. I mean, what's going to have to come forward for a new trial to actually come to fruition for Scott Peterson.

Well, I don't know that I would be in a position to characterize what they think. I have always thought that the fact the complete collapse of any kind of forensic evidence tying Scott to a crime. Remember that house and that bay were probably the most searched and forensically tested two areas at the time. There was nothing, So I think it makes it.

That's one of my biggest points right there are like one of the biggest tagaways I have is when they do all this massive searching, you know, the amount of evidence they find. They like, we found like this, you know, some of Lacey's blood or a hair on a boat and stuff like that, like one strand of hair, Like even if it was they're not planted, Like, it's not unreasonable to believe that these married partners would exchange such things as transporting a hair onto something, you know, another

Well what do you what do you think about gergis Like, I don't think how can you sit here and say this the discovery process, Sure, but once new evidence comes to light and he waits until now to like, I mean, he's basically admitting that this did come out in time.

Yeah, but let's imagine this scenario of it's all, even if it's a real ven or not, there's still psychological operations and a magic show around it to distract folks attention from the real reality of the situation. So let's assume that unless he's playing a great role, right, he does his job well, he goes like this, my work here is done.

So you think that he's in on it. You think that he's in on getting Scott falsely convicted.

Yeah, I think he was part of the real roading for sure.

And then another thing, as I call a nightmare team of Orenthal, James Simpson the only person that cared about Orentthel Jamesimpson. There was Pal Kardash and everyone else that was part of the railroad, part of the magic show.

But he was only given a million dollars to do this case. That might sound like a lot of money, but people that have looked into these murders and like how the court stuff works, that's nothing. He should have gotten way more for this if this was legit.

Yeah, and he you know, he's you know, what's he done for him?

Since again, you know, I'm not don't want to speak for John Cameron, but to my understanding from statements i've heard him making previous shows years ago, the detective, the Edwards Detective. That is, he's reached out to reach out to all these guys like Garrick Gers and got no response.

So that's to say something too.

I didn't know that. Oh yeah, he's keeping the show going, that's for sure.

Yep, he's got some more. He's got some more statements to make them that they have recovered.

They believe they'll do some testing there and they have to in reading the motion some other pieces of evidence that there appears.

Now he says he's reading the motions. He's not involved in this case. He's simply read that Innocence project. Finally, and I've read the same thing, and again, this is the new Van, this is not the old Van, and we'll get it.

He doesn't really, he doesn't really point that out here.

Twenty years later, to be techniques that can be utilized that will potentially point to a complete exoneration. I will say it again, and I know I've said it already in this brief time I've had it with you. There is has never been any evidence as to how he did this, where he did this, or when he did this, remember, wasn't it?

And that was the point I was making earlier there was, you know, standard investigation, you have to establish next this point of your suspect, who committed this crime, the victim of the crime, and the scene of that crime. And they did none of it. And they also did none of that night I who four. In fact, they've they've come out since the guilty plea there and said, oh, we can't even put him in the house. The cell phone tower shit was garbage. We don't know that he

Well, are you familiar with the incident I'm talking about that came forward where he apparently was, you know, one of his trips to Fresno. He was in a titty bar and two neo Nazi guys came forward and said that he approached them after he saw their tattoos and whatnot, and he said.

How do you guys get rid of bodies? How do you transport them?

So these two neo Nazi guys stepped forward saying that, and I think it's part of the railroading. They were trying to like add to his fucking case or the case against him.

Well, there you go.

What better way to use compromise folks within your network to then stir this whole shit storm and send in a direction, the false direction of framing, framing up Scott Peterson.

The same guys that knew he was dumping fucking.

For example, for example, in the Oriental James Simpson case, two of the witnesses besides Bill Colby, not you, not Bill Coleby. Besides Bill Colby's son Carl Colby with primary witness, chief witness for the state against Orenttheal James Simpson, they used Denise Brown, who was dating a confirmed mafia made man hit Man confirmed Kills had done time before then, and he testified as well. So you have compromised parties testifying the frame these passies. That's what I would would

Names, isn't it with News Nation over this ship.

Four two man fur Yep, yep.

They're not the ones creating the propaganda, the ones disseminating in the propaganda though. It's our Howard Bloom who's working for Cocaine. Bob Evans, Buddy Grayton Carter had a Vandy Fair who employs Howard Bloom, who then they everyone repeats Howard Bloom, but they're the ones who do.

They're the main mouthpiece.

I didn't know.

Actually, Banfield, who made her name in the Vegas kidnapping case of Orenthal James Simpson. Why is always going back to the same new work with these fuckers.

That's when he went in armed to get some memorabilia back.

Yeah, he was definitely set up for that too. Yeah, right man, that Orangeal James Sims.

What was the kidnapping thing you're talking about? That's those are two different.

That was it that was it an armed robbery? Kidnapping when you when you told me they can't leave, it's kidnapping and state Nevada.

Yeah, he did false imprisonment or whatever to get his back.

That may have been a falseom prison in charge kind of memorabilia. So it is interesting though the people who perpetrate in controls. There is a news nation, as you point out, sir, is uh, certainly at the forefront.

And that's interesting, Chris Cuomo, right.

Yeah, but I didn't know who was behind the news Nation. I've never really looked into them.

But that's al it's interesting. I think it's the now you mentioned. I think it was the Tribune.

I remember correctly, the Tribune Media Corporation w used to be w g N out of Chicago. They became I believe they got rebranded, you know what I mean. But again, this is this is so, this is incidental reporting. No one cares about this case, I assure you. And again John Camer's made those statements on his instancesn't trying to, you know, bring justice to some of these matters. Even if he is wrong. Clearly he's onto something. Peterson did

And we see this orange ones that the centerpiece.

As Gary go has mentioned in that filing by the La Innocence Project, maybe there was.

A van okay, an orange van there. It is was found a mile from Peterson's home. It was found by a Modesto fire inspector a day after Lacy Peterson went missing. So what Well, inside the van there was a mattress. On the mattress was a blood stain. The inspector says it was human blood.

Here's what he told g m A.

I don't know that I was tying the moment to Lacey. I was more tying the moment that it was human blood. It made it like this was much more important than.

Just I'm gonna go ahead and say that was a comment that he was told to make, and that he was told you. You better not telling you to connect to this to Lacey from David Backley. You better tell him you didn't connect this from you.

It would literally for any retard, and let alone a guy who's what is he a fire what inspector or something?

Fire chief?

Oh, he's a chief.

Yeah.

They hire retards to be the exactly.

Yeah, he goes the most.

He goes the most because a lot of times they are the incident commander on scenes, right when they go to a mass casualty event or or a homicide that they're the ones that are calling the corners. The police are oftentimes are not the ones. You can't do anything yet it's all medical focus at first. Right, So as a result of fire chiefs were the onsecene commanders until like a police a police chief shows up for like

I can smell it.

I can tell the very specific tents of zinc in that blood, you know what I mean, Like, this dude seen blood before.

Right, So they found it because it was all burnt up.

Yeah, somebody drove it a mile away from the house, set it on fire, presumably.

Yeah, they didn't find until after it had been basically been extinguished. But again they didn't get rid of the evidence. You know what, Ed didn't get rid of evidence in numerous arsens that he committed. That's why he went to jail when he when he attempted to burn a Marietta Police Department sergeant's uniform from Marietta, Georgia, back in nineteen eighty two, where it seems that Ed had infiltrated the Atlanta Child Killing Task Force faking to be a MARIAD.

So on December twenty fourth, she goes for a walk at some point after one pm, after she's searched sunflower dresses.

She gets home with the dogs. She sees the guys across the street where they see her. They're probably there to naber I've heard I've heard people say that she approached them to be like, what are you doing in the Medina house, But it would be more like they were there to grab her, and then the robbery is just a red herring.

So the last known sighting from the eyewitness reports. I believe was just prior to one.

Pm, unless you count the woman.

What I'm saying, I'm sorry with her dog, with her dog, with her dog.

So the dog runs off and gets grabbed by a neighbor, right, a neighbor puts it in the backyard.

Yep, Okay, So what I mean just that.

It's it's like, well, yeah, but as you heard from Garry Goes, the state never tried to provide an nextus point from when Scott allegedly kidnapped his wife and then left the dog behind on the leak. They never even argued that right.

And as Julia pointed out, if you were given a doctor's note to not take a walk, it doesn't mean that you're not going to.

I don't think that's concrete proof of everything. Yeah, she had.

A few different people coroborate that story, a yoga teacher, her mother. But I fucking know, I've been around two pregnant women. I know how stir crazy they get. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she's like, fuck it, I'm feeling good to date. It's Christmas Eve, it's holiday cheer. I'm taking a fucking walk today.

I'm gonna take it easy.

I'm just walking Mackenzie down to the park and she's seen by twenty four fucking people.

So, in regards to this reporting, real time reporting back in the case unfolded of the timeline of events. So December thirtieth, less than a week after her Lacey goes missing, Modesta detectives raced over to investigate in the trading lead, a fresh nay massage therapist named Amber Fry revealed that she'd been dating Scott Peterson forever a month.

So they've always played these games.

Of how they learned about that massage therapist.

We're talking about that horror network excuse me, ding network, and uh what do we look at? Why was why were all these women going to Epstein? They were giving it. The high school girls were given two hundred dollars handies.

I think it's important to note this statement by that detective. Former detective Bueller noted her recall was fantastic. It was almost like it was a script from a Hallmark TV show or something whose dual I recalled every detail of their romantic dates.

Come on, Bueler, whose builder does he come up? More than like I know, I don't recognize that naw, he was. He's a guy that's like actually saying real shit, and he didn't really get covered in the true crime presentation.

There you go, because I've not heard that name come up.

Then they get hurt of record phone calls and they do this massive press conference in the twenty fourth right, So yeah, there's a lot of like if you're going to build up of uh, you know, if you're doing a fictional narrative, you want you know, you have the storyline, you got to build up the suspense, right, And.

It's a script if you ask Buehler.

Well, Bueller just told you areas from Hallmark.

It was a Hallmark script and it basically is that quality of production.

So then April thirteenth and fourteenth is when the bodies appear up.

And again they don't go over the forensic evidence where indicates these they decompositions are different.

You know what I mean? And that is we're to believe the later DNA evidence. They claimed that confirming the torso was Lacey's.

No head though no head, no internal organs other than the uterus, no legs, that uterus did not wonder is stayed home, even though all the other organs left.

Yeah. I mean, oh, dude, you remember this. The jurors. They even made a show out of the jurors.

She wrote this motherfucker seventeen letters.

She was one of the reasons that they want to do appeal because she had some domestic violence issues and she had she was when she was being knocked around, and she left that out of the initial jury deliberate. What is it when they sort through him, she would have been dismissed in a fucking second. And then she writes this guy letters he wrote back eighteen times. I'd like to see those.

Well, I don't know.

I've been told he's very active as a pen pal in.

Prison, especially some fucking redheaded little starlet trying to get.

Fair out of it. I mean, there you go again.

The guy doesn't seem brilliant, right, He's obviously he's got some you know, situations going on. So let's assume this. Let's if we can bring this in for a landing here. Not Bill Colby and Julia cosmic Peach. I appreciate your times in these conversations on our swamp casts. You kind of were kind of the some of the sailing characteristics of the not case against Scott Peters and some of the bigger questions that remained. Let's assume it was a real event. Now, let me just throw this one at

Perhaps.

So there was two other women and one was named lords Avelia. She was reported she's a modesto lady, reported to have she was eight eight eight or eight months eight and a half months pregnant. She reported to have been stalked by two men in a van right around that same time.

So go ahead, no, go ahead. So you think it could have been like a serial killer.

Team, Well, if you're a death cult shopping for babies and whatnot, and folksheads a lop off, I mean, there you go.

Is that your final conclusion on it?

Well, folks can check out that lady's tale. I did see this one thing on this year's ago on this case. I haven't seen any the new stuff, but that lady's tale was depicted here in a previous TV murder of Lacy Peterson, so twenty seventeen. So you have that one, right, and then you have the case also of Evelyn Hernandez. So her body comes up ashore not far from her Lacey's and Connor is dead, and I think about.

Four months later, four months later.

A pregnant woman had vanished days before giving birth inside case of Evelyn Hernandez, the other Lacey Peterson.

Oh my god, I did not know about this.

Yeah, well apparently there's a new docu series here, ma'am. Murder has Two Faces, began May sixth of this year on Hulu. The similarities between the killings of Hernandez and Peterson.

It is an easy thing for folks to just accept.

Wow, I'm reading a little bit about this Hernandez. This is crazy. Yeah. Look on July twenty four, two thousand and two, hernandez body was found in San Francisco Bay, missing its.

Head in several.

Just like John Cameron says, this is also ed and again I would agree it's the network and AD's in charge of it, but they may not.

Just be dded directly.

It's Lackey's.

So we've established a pattern behavior across decades, both of geography and time. Here tonight with appreciate the conversation with all, always enjoy it.

Real barn Burner.

I didn't decleart at first, but I didn't have any doubt's real barn Burner. But you know, what else are we describe me? If it's not a network of what that? What tool will describe as a hand of death, which I claim his pal at Edwards was in charge of.

As my closing statements, I think this could either be all theater or if Scott, If Scott didn't do it, he knew from jump.

That suspending disbelief of this show thing, you really still think he may.

Have done it.

He was involved in some way.

He had to have been, not in some way as though he was actually involved in her murder, or he knew it was going down.

He knew it was going down, he knew the details. You know what happened.

No, there's evidence of that. I No, it's great point. That's a great point.

There's evidence that again across the spectrum of space and time here j Sebring knew he was about to get murdered before he got murdered. So and in fact, somebody cut the phone lines of his the electrical lines at his house that they thought they cut the power of his house in the phone lines the night before, like they did it to take Polansky house the next night when he got murdered.

But they cut the cable lines. He had cable TV at a time when no one else did.

I didn't even know that was a thing in the late sixties.

You know, when you're on top of this network dealing with the drugs through his hair salon, his international hair salon j Sbri International, which upon his death was in fact taken over by the processed church's own member and attorney, John Markham the second, his cousin is still today the in charge and owns Sebrie International hair hair salon stuff, the hair slon of the stars and their products and their long standing drug distribution. It seems so that's the

What something was up?

Well, I think if let's let me not say if let's just say Scott wasn't the one who actually did it, But.

You're still thinking that's a possibility.

I mean, he could have helped. He could have said, hey, I think she's gonna walk the dog today.

I kind of like, I kind of like JJ's take that she was maybe in the network as well as him, And I think that never has entered my mind.

But as soon as you said it, yeah.

Well that's exactly what you when you started saying gonrel, that's immediately came to my brain.

As some of my closing arguments I just there are both pieces.

Of the ship, right, both her and and her and Affleck a piece of ship in that film.

Yeah.

I just looked up on the interwebs here.

The author of that book that was adapted into the Fincher film flat out said this is based on the Scott Peterson thing.

Boom boom boom. I like your rat, sir. That's good, that's good ship. I didn't consider that. I like it though, so I that's how much I liked it.

Well, I just I always look at these like I do think Jack Nicholson did create Ted Bundy it at the.

Point, yeah, man, and I do what Cult Necessary film reviews every Wednesday, sir, and it did't even cross my brain hole.

So I like your style.

Well i'll show.

I'll send you this clip that Julia pulled up where he's being interviewed in Colorado. I think that's Jack Nicholson representing the Ted Bundying character. There was lots of people who did, and I think Nicholson was one of them. And dude, I'm not convinced that Ben Affleck wasn't in fucking prosthetics to play Scott Peterson, even.

Though I'm gonna need to see that link, sir. I'm also gonna need to join you all for another conversation on these topics. Is really I enjoyed the conversation. I appreciate your all time.

Yeah, man, thanks it out for doing this. This was, you know, better than I expected it to be. I expected it to be pread but barn Burner, like you.

Say, guaranteed, sir, No bombs here, no bombs here? All right, Well, any closing states prob we call her in here.

I think that I've said my piece.

Conspiracy, playtime, cosmic, peach, anything, anything fantastic coming up besides your current fantastic stuff on you to check out about your mental health series.

Well, it's a it's a three part series and the last episode is going to be coming out soon. But just so you know, I learned one thing from the the Scott Peterson case, and the number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder. So if something happens to me Kolby, did it yike?

Not for having I do make soa with sodium hydroxide. Not it's not androgyen this it has a gender. Uh huh.

Now that's awesome.

Again, we'll have to convene on these matters in the future in Operation GCD live every Sunday's, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Friday, sometimes on Saturdays because I get sick on Thursdays like tonight. I'm gonna do that next. But I i'd look forward to our next conversations. And and if baby Hank arrives in the future, uh, congratulations, And before I talk to your next congratulations. And I'm giving you pre congratulations.

And uh there's a very good chance that the next time you talk to us.

I assumed as much. Yeah, I assumed as much.

So and I know I've been through those endeavors of having a newborns a good luck best of luck in that it's gonna be a lot of sleepless nights, I'm sure. So in the future when you're all or back to having you know, some time to podcast here. But I look forward to our future conversations whenever that does occur. Post Thank you congratulations. That's that's awesome stuff. Thank you, yes, ma'am.

All right, well is that it. We'll catch you next time?

All right?

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