CultXCosmic: ConspirAsylum 2: Schizopharmiac

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Hello, and welcome back to the second installment of the Conspira Asylum series. This is Schitzopharmiac and I'm really excited for this one. I have a lot of loose ins to tie up from the first episode, and of course we have Colby joining us for the second installment.

Colby, how are you wonderfully insane? In the membrane in the everywhere?

So something that I wanted to talk about really quick as we're getting going is something I want I was gonna include in the first episode, but we ran out of time because we went almost three hours. Notorious Asylums? Did you have anything on that just that just I'm gonna run through it just kind of quick.

But I had some weird insane asylums that were notorious for reasons. One of them sounded an awful lot like a Mexican food restaurant. And I don't think I brought my notes with me from last week, so I don't even remember what.

It was called.

Was it noteworthy?

It was just where you know, they the evidence left behind and the stories and the mainstream trying to pull cover saying that these places were you know, above board and it was shit going on like in American Horror Story season two, and you know, we'll get into some of those today, I imagine, But yeah, I don't remember what mne were.

Well, I have a couple that you can say if you've heard of them or not. Had you heard of the Bedlom Bedlom Royal Hospital in.

London in England sounds vaguely familiar.

It's Europe's oldest insane asylum, founded in twelve forty seven. So it was one of the places that used that spinny chair treatment that you showed in the last episode, where they'd put somebody in the spinny chair and spin them until they threw up or shit themselves.

Really, that's probably why it sounds familiar.

Yeah, so they did that. Then there's the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum in West Virginia. This place is notorious for ghost hunter groups going because they say with the lobotomies and the poor care of the patients and all the deaths and the weird stuff, that it's like super haunted. And they even offer paranormal tours at this place. But the one that stuck out to me the most that's now closed down was Willowbrook State School is what it was called. And this guy, his name is Geraldo Rivera.

But you know who he is.

He was you know who a journalist.

Yeah, he's the guy with the mustache. Yeah, you know who he is, right right? Oh, I just the way you said it, I thought you didn't know who he was.

Well, I'm just saying for anybody who doesn't know who he is.

I mean he's pretty notorious. His takes on a lot of the big events.

Well, this was back in nineteen seventy two. He looked like he was just starting.

Out, Yeah, the early seventies. I didn't know he was around that long.

Yeah. So this was back in nineteen seventy two, and he actually found the story about the Willow State School because Robert Kennedy went on the news talking about how awful it was and how somebody needed to do something and nobody ever did anything about it. And then Heraldo Rivera was like, somebody needs to publish a story about how these people are getting treated.

And I wonder if that was the place that his sister went to.

Is it?

Where was it?

Uh?

New York?

What's it called?

Willowbrook Asylum, New York?

I think that might be it is?

Do you think that's how that's why he was so at it.

As soon as you mentioned Robert Kennedy, my Hackles went up, let me verify where she went?

Well? He went he yeah, he went on the news and he was like, somebody needs to do something. These people are getting treated like literal garbage. Yeah, the thing and I actually somewhere around here want to include a clip of Heraldo Rivera touring Willowbrooks State School because.

It's everything let's call the State School.

Yeah, it's everything that you would imagine an insane asylum in a horror.

Movie to be Why did they call it a.

School Because they let people drop their kids off there and never come back for them. And they said that they were going to train them like monkeys to.

Do like.

Basic like self care stuff, but they never did what they like, how to feed themselves, how to like xyz, but they never did. They basically people would just drop their family members off and they were.

Naked, dropped off naked, No okay, they.

Would go back to visit them and all the inmates, patients whatever, anywhere from newborn to old as fuck.

In particular.

Yeah, they would be sitting around in the wards naked, getting force fed.

So it's like a food in their mouths. It's like a zoo.

Yeah.

And they were shitting and pissing everywhere, throwing shit and piss everywhere.

And it sounds like an exhibit right.

Well, I'm going to include a little snippet of when Heraldo Rivera wentz Ago visit this place.

I visited the state institutions for the mentally retarded, and I think, particularly at Willowbrook, that we have a situation that borders on a state pit and that the children live and built, that many of our fellow citizens are suffering tremendously because lack of attention, had a lack of imagination, lack of adequate manpower, a very little future for the children or for those who are in these institutions. Both

It's been more than six years since Robert Kennedy walked out of one of the wards here at Willowbrook and told newsmen of the horror he'd seen inside. He pleaded then for an overhaul of a system that allowed retarded children to live in a snake pit. But that was way back in nineteen sixty five, and somehow we'd all forgotten. I first heard of this big place with the pretty sounding name because of a call I received from a

It was horrible.

There was one attendant for perhaps fifty severely and profoundly retarded children, and the children lying on the floor naked and smeared with their own feces. They were making a pitiful sound, the kind of mournful wail that it's impossible for me to forget.

This is what it looked like, this is what.

It sounded like. But how can I tell you about the way it smelled. It smelled of filth, it smelled of disease, and it smelled of death. We've just seen something that's probably the most horrible thing I've ever seen in my life.

It's that typical of ward life.

Yes, there are five thsy three hundred patients at Willowbrook, which is the largest institution for the mentally retarded in the world. The ones that we saw were the most severely and profoundly retarded. There are thousands there like that, not going to school, sitting on the ward all day, not being talked to by anyone, Only one or two or three people to take care of. Seventy people on the ward sharing the same toilet, contracting the same diseases together.

If your kid had Down syndrome, if they were just developmentally disabled, if they were schizophrenic, if they were whatever, anything outside of just normal, you could take them and drop them off that willow broke for them to run around naked, sleeping, piss and shit. And it showed feeding time with the nurses and they would just be strapped to a chair with their mouth pried open and they would just shovel food and they'd be choking and gagging on it, and it looked like.

No, wonder you didn't just give them like a tube down the throat.

I mean, they had one nurse for every fifty patients or something like that, So you can imagine how.

The clean in the Yeah, I'm going to actually talk about that's how it was really similar still in the nineties.

Even that's not I mean, one nurse for fifty patients, that's not enough. Yeah, And so this is where we've come to though, that that's in the seventies. But I mean, as we talked about in the first episode, like how did we get here, Well, these people are looked at as garbage people. These are the trash people. These are the people you just throw away and you just keep them alive mechanically. But there is no spiritual there is no I mean, they're literally treated like garbage people.

Yeah, there's no humanity or compassion. And even when someone with humanity or compassion gets into the system like that as a job, a lot of them just burn out like teachers do and become peace is a shit, or they struggle with it.

They become you know, nightly drinkers and they don't live a fulfilled life, yeah, or they quit. You know, there's no way that you.

Can bring compassionate humanity into a system that's as broken as this one is without completely overhauling it, which we don't seem to even have in our list of priorities as far as politics goes. You know, that's that's where people look for big change to happen, and it's such a big industry that to do away with it it would just affect all the wrong people in the wrong ways.

Yeah.

And the fact that they said, like they use the word training, like, oh, if you drop your kid off here, we'll train them how to Yeah.

The language is like how you talk about animals, the walking around nked, shitting and pissing wherever.

Yeah, literally treated like an I mean they animals are sometimes treated I was.

Going to say, Yeah. And also prisoners.

You talk to a lot of people who have been in both, and what we'll talk about next episode. A lot with the pop culture angle of all of this is in the movie and book One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the protagonist believes that if he feigns insanity that he'll be able to have a cakewalk in an institution somewhere, and he finds that it's worse the hard.

Well, the last asylum I wanted to talk to you about. I it came into my memory because of the article you read in the last episode about the African guy who came over and he said that the way that we view mental illness is totally fucked up and wrong, and that like spirits are trying to channel through these people because they're healers or something like that, or they have a message or they have So I wanted to

For every like one hundred dec They called themselves a school.

No, they they called themselves an asylum.

Yeah, that rebranding seems totally American, right.

So it was built on the ruins of several tombs and was a known sight of hangings in witchcraft, and they cleared all that out and then they built this asylum on top of this site. And the most famous doctor who practiced there was actually a Nazi concentration camp doctor who was found guilty of crimes against humanity, uh, doctor Shilling or something like that. And so you can imagine with his backstory what kind of experiments were going on at.

This So was okay, wait a minute, so that would have been a ways into it, because you said it was built in eighteen eighty eight. Yeah, so this guy was this guy this So now we're into like after World War two. Yeah, okay, doctor Shilling. I want to keep talking. I want to just kind of look them.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead. It's s h I l ll no C. Yeah. I think his first name was maybe Ralph. I don't know, but.

Ralph Shilling sounds like a shoe brand.

So there was a patient who they had, because they had thousands of patients, they stopped calling them by their name and they gave them numbers.

And so this paper or animalistic treatment, like right tagging him with fucking you know, in the ear, like their cattle.

So now do you think they tattooed him? Since he was a Nazi.

Guy, he might have incorporated what's it called, uh, Walnut.

Creek, Voltaire Asylum, Klaus Slause Shilling.

That's fucking that's the fish American dad.

I think it's him.

Yeah, that's him.

No, do you think that's who it's supposed to be an American dad?

Oh?

I don't know, yeah, because I always got the impression that that was an operation paper clip thing they transferred to the Nazi's brain into a goldfish.

So maybe he's got the accent.

Well yeah, anyway, but yeah, that's him.

Yeah.

It says he perpetrated infamous human experiments at Doc Cow.

Yep, it's a dust shower. Doc Cow, I always.

Say Doc Cow. But that's the doc on staff for the Voltaire Asylum.

And I was wondering if he was a paper clip guy himself.

Because no, he got tried. Do you think he got death?

So he got tried?

So when did he participate in the stuff at the asylum after the war?

I think it was right after and then they found him and then they prosecuted him.

Anyway, I just wanted to do paper clip and see what comes up, because that would be interesting.

Says he wasn't a member of the Nazi birdy.

He was in the documentary that I watched, said he got death.

Could it be that he was just working with him? M m, well, we don't want to go down this rabbit hole.

Looks like there's a lot on this guy anyway, that's interesting. So he goes from the war to working here to getting snagged and tried for war crabs.

Yeah, put to death.

Yeah, fuck man, that's rare to hear if he'd been working over here.

But the thing he would have lived, he's actually not even the highlight of this story. He's like a side note, but I mention it because he was doing experiments there, right. And so this patient who only went by nof four, they later found out his real name was Fernando Nanetti.

There was something in the night.

So this guy, it's so sad too, because this Fernando guy was abandoned by his mother at age seven.

She has dropped him off at the asylum.

Not at this one, just a random one, and he was institutionalized the rest of his life because he had nowhere else to go. He had no mental illness to speak of. And he was transferred to Volterra Asylum in nineteen fifty eight as an adult, and after he got transferred to Volterra, his behavior drastically changed into what some

So they were doing something with this kid.

Well, he was an adult when he got trans transfer.

I was going to ask if you knew because you said nineteen fifty eight. I don't know if you said the year when his mom dropped him off when he was seven.

He was seven when he got drped.

No, so he's an adult and he's writing it's it's almost like a but he would you could make like a series.

About this guy, like stranger things type shit.

Yeah, but the nurses said when he got there he was completely normal, and then over time like he lost his ability to speak, and then he started trying to communicate through these drugs.

Maybe this is just me spit volume here. Maybe they were testing all these vaccines on him and they made him.

Autistics Nazi doctor working, right, That's why I'm saying that.

And then he becomes like this clairvoyant, fucking autistic guy making all these note nostrodamis type modern predictions.

So right before he died, NF four said that when he arrived at the asylum, he was given the ability to telepathically communicate with an entity that was connected to the asylum grounds.

All right, I just does a side note. We should do a whole episode on this guy.

But the article you read in the last episode about how these entities or whatever trying to channel through these people, this guy didn't even have mental illness. He got transferred to this place. They probably started doing experiments and got in.

They then induced some kind of psychosis or autism.

It might sound like he went nonverbal.

Yeah, wow, he got it down four days off from the moon landing.

The most important question is did he predict that it was fake?

No, But he also he wrote about cell phones and stuff too.

But he got nineteen he said, he said we're going to land on the Moon and such and such in nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, and then this was in the late fifties, so he was like a decade. I mean, yeah, they hadn't even announced politically that they were going to do a space race and putting him in on I mean that was so this was nineteen fifty eight that he did this.

He started in nineteen fifty eight. It took him ten.

Years, okis so then he would so then he would have been from fifty eight to sixty eight. I wonder at what point in there he wrote about.

The moon landing.

There is a lot of information you can find about this guy, because since the asylum closed, they removed large chunks of the walls where nf were carved these images, and they're all in a museum somewhere and that's it's a suseum in Italy.

That's not like Smithsonian, they said.

They so they took these big chunks of the wall out, they put them in a museum.

They said, this is just artwork, but it happens to be prophetic, right, so he is like modern hieroglyphs.

Right.

Well, he also spoke about and the nurses would just say, oh, he's been in here so long, he's crazy now. But he would say that the asylum was a portal for shadow people and that they were coming in and out.

So he said that before he went no, no, he.

Would write it and he would try to communicate with the nurses, and uh, you can find all of this stuff if you google this guy's name. His name is again Fernando or sty Nanetti, and so he went by n o F four. You could probably google it, just Volterra Asylum n o F four. You'll find pictures of him. You'll find pictures of the carvings.

You'll find that you need to the guy who made Archie Archive eighty one.

Uh huh, he needs to.

Make an NF four series and just have it be about this guy.

I randomly came across this in an episode of a show I was watching. And when you read that article, and do you.

Want to admit everybody to everybody what show it was?

It's a spin off of Ghost Adventures.

As if Ghost Adventures needs to spin off, they.

Apparently have one. What's what's the show called.

It's called Destinations of the Damned, and it's about haunted locations all over the world, not just in the US.

So how is that different than ghost Adventures.

He doesn't actually go to the location. He sends archaeologists and he sends like.

Oh boy, he's moving on up.

Yeah, so Zach, he sent like people to go and look at these.

Do you think he's do you think even though he's coordinating it from afar, he.

Still gets my next burning Probably.

He's zoom calling with the correspondence on your ound.

It's not an interesting story, but yeah, I want to do a whole episode on it. Yeah, it could have its own episode. But you read the article at joggby Memory about this guy being prophetic as fuck. He didn't have mental illness. They moved into this place.

Where man, you'll come to find many of them.

Do not, right. But so that is my sum up of the asylent portion of this episode, because I do want to get into some pharmaceuticals and it's psychiatry and stuff.

I'm glad you're covering the pharmaceuticle angle of it, because I'm not.

I have quite a few notes on the pharmaceutical aspect.

Good, So where do you want to start?

Do you want me to run through the pharmaceuticals.

First, Well, I think we should, because, for example, maybe you'll mention this prozac became a big thing.

In what the seventies or eighties? Yeah, so which one is it?

My eighties?

Eighties?

But I mean, I think the eighties in general were a huge fucking decade for the pharmaceutical industry.

And it bled over big time into the nineties.

With the.

Commodifying fucking depression.

And yeah, it's started to become like a like a we can take the pharmaceuticals and mix match them with the Laurel camps as I like to call them. And obviously we're going to talk about psychiatry and how it's escalated from there. But before we do that, I kind of wanted to just talk about briefly the origins of some of these big name pharmaceuticals that are still in use today that I feel like, are it's utterly insane that anybody puts this shit into their bodies. Utterly insane.

Say your great granddaddy's lithium. So so are you saying it was better to have the old lithium?

Yeah, because actually, long before modern medicine, Roman physicians recognized the therapeutic effects of natural spring water that was high in lithium. Content.

Tell you right now as a side note, I haven't shown you this, but you know the downtown.

Square of Ashland. Yeah, there's a fucking.

Drinking fountain that comes out of Lithia Creek that runs through Ashland, and this is like it tastes like bubbly.

Ocean water and people go high in lithium. Yeah, people go there and drink it.

That's the lithium that they were using to treat people.

So there's just using from natural sources.

Natural spring water that was high in lithium. The lithium that's prescribed to people today is some kind of petroleum synthetic grosser.

Yeah, it all is now. Yeah, they synthesized it and they they.

Turned it into petrochemical. So of course other than lithium, they would use like thor zine and shit like that, because you can't be crazy if you just constantly knocked the fuck out basically. But something that I wanted to address is that most of the modern day antidepressants that the doctors will put you on, the active ingredient is fluoride.

Right, especially Prozac, yes, which I don't think they really use anymore. I think they phased out to these more modernized SSRIs.

You're still gonna find docs out there who want them.

Oh yeah, I know, I know it's not completely discontinued, but I think.

It's the My mom took it for years, proses zach. Do you know what the generic name for prozac is? Fluoxetine as in fluoride. Fluoride oxcene is the generic name for prozac. I mean, if you think you're getting away from fluoride by taking other SSRI's like lexapro, think again, because one of the number one active ingredients in lexapro is fluoride.

I was just looking up to see Mother's Little Helper by the rolling Stones.

I didn't remember what that was about. You know, it's valium.

I think lithium, valium, prozac, lexapro, now a bunch of just huge offshoots of those latter ones, Like.

Can you think of any.

That are used right now?

I mean, my sister's been on all of them.

My mom, we.

Should have had her, We should have had her as like a ten minute guest spot zoomer in. No, because she likes them, so it's okay to get the other side. I mean, she actually has had really bad experiences with certain ones.

Well.

The thing about it, though, is they say that they put that high amount of fluoride in these drugs because it improves their efficacy, which means it totally shuts your fucking brain down.

Well, why do they put it in the water because teeth teeth. Luckily, we live in one of few states that hasn't fluoridated their water.

In fact, as I.

Know, and you'll come to find out when you have a kid and you take them to the doctor. They even specify like, yeah, we don't have florid in the water here in Oregon. Do you want to put your kid on fluoride pills?

No?

Fuck you very.

Much, Fuck you very much. Yeah.

I mean, eventually they stop asking because they just know I mean they.

Have to ask.

I'm sure they have to ask.

On their required questionnaire that every.

Doctor saying, we have to put fluoride in these antidepressants because it improves the efficacy.

Well, it's like adding shit to fucking tobacco when you make.

Cigarettes, but improves their efficacy because it totally calcifies your fucking brain hole.

I mean that is generally what they're going for.

So another ingredient that is used in almost every pharmaceutical, but especially synthetic antidepressants, is petroleum derivatives.

I think that's just in most pharmaceuticals.

In thailan al, advil, they all have petrochemicals. And the reason that they use petrochemicals is because of So when we say things like the pharmaceutical industry is an industry for a reason, it's a money making machine. They don't care about healing anyone, they don't care about saving anyone. They're literally synthesizing fluoride and petrochemicals to induce a fucking lobotomy in a very mild form, right.

And it's it's perpetual. Over time, you're getting the same effect. It's like I used to say when I was really big into like all the MDMA research they did in the eighties. When I was like making this documentary a long time ago, they talk about how MDMA was being used in couple's therapy. It was being used for depression, and the idea was, rather than flood your brain and fuck your Sara tone and uptake with these modern pills, you would have three or four sessions with molly, and

And the pharmaceutical company said, well, that's what ours do.

But it does it over fucking years and years and years, and it keeps you coming back. So MDMA was just wiped off the map. Now, I do have a lot of mixed feelings about what they're doing with some of these psychedelic studies that are still continuing to day through places like Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies maps they're doing like all these but I did see a lot of

Oh why because it's focusing on spiritual outlets instead of.

No it's I mean, you can look at it, and it does. If you're spiritually inclined, it will feel that way. But what it does is it just lets you look at yourself from an objective, empathetic perspective, which you were not able to do in our bodies. For some reason, maybe we can maybe we lost it, but this allows you to just be.

Completely open and honest. I mean you could like.

Okay, but yeah, that sounds like a spiritual thing.

For sure, it is. There's a spiritual level to it.

But you could take atheists and get the same result and they would just look at it as better living through chemistry or whatever. But my whole point was this Rockefeller model of medicine couldn't survive. If you were letting things through the cracks into the psychotherapy offices across the country, you would quickly drive them under, and so of course they did, or they drove them under so they wouldn't

But I couldn't help.

But notice I've always been a King of the Hill fan.

Julia's like, yeah, on it.

But I've been watching the new one, and of course my favorite character is Dale Dale, and in this one, he's like saying all the shit, but it's just you know, he's he's mentioned in he always did, but he's mentioned in like Rockefeller Medicine. And in one of the more recent episodes I watched, he was talking about the Zepruder film and he's like, if you zoo him in on such and such frame, you see this, And he's like, but it's all fake anyway.

And I was like, oh my god, they're like up.

But then you gotta wonder, like because Mike Judge is probably very aware of all this shit, but he chooses like this character that no one takes seriously to be like the outlet for all those ideas.

And I think that's the problem with a lot.

Of you know, pop culture conspiracy stuff, is it's never like a credible character. The guy's wife's been fucking the Indian dude, right, in front of his eyes. He misses the most obvious shit, but he's in tune with all these conspiracies.

Anyway, that's a tangent.

But I think we were talking about the petroleum based.

The Rockefeller stuff. I mean, yeah, I think that a lot of people are aware of it. I don't think that they're aware that it's in literally everything. It's in Thailand, all, it's in Advil.

It's it's not even hard information to find. I mean, you know, people don't give a fuck. But like the other night, I had a headache and you asked if I wanted something, and I said no, I.

Was talking about Adville. I said, do you want some vix on your forehead? I didn't, which actually contains petroleum.

So it all does, babe.

Yeah, I mean I guess you're right about that, But I was gonna.

It's like seed oils and food is the petroleum and everything else.

Sometimes when I have a bad headache, putting a little vixa on my forehead helps.

You could also get fucking peppermint essential oils.

We don't have any right now.

Well, I'm just saying it.

You can get that sensation from completely non petroleum products.

Definitely, I would prefer that.

Well, I mean I could get a bottle next time I go. I mean I can get you a bottle by three o'clock this afternoon.

I was going to talk a little bit about antipsychotics as well, because they're in the same loop as the antidepressants, and it's actually going to be a good segue into psychiatry. So the main anti psychotics are ziprexa, Wrispitoal, sarraquil, Abilify, zell docs, and in Vega, and then they have all

We call them shrinks and kneads, neked the woods.

And she told my mom that my behavioral issues in not wanting to go to school was because I was psychotic, and she put me on a super high fucking dose of sarah quill. I couldn't move, I couldn't talk, I couldn't fucking eat. I could all I could do is get in the feetus position and fucking sleep. That's all

You know, I always from a young age noticed because I was a compliance student. At first, I didn't start, you know, stop giving a fuck about school or start not giving a fuck about school until like early high school.

I was like.

I was in the.

Talented gifted program. I was fucking always wanting to do very well. And then I like got interested in women and everything else that teen boys get interested in. But I didn't notice early on, like maybe junior high level, maybe a little bit before then, all the fucking outcast kids, the kids that they did what they did to you. They're the smartest fucking kids in school. They're the ones going the fuck is all this this doesn't feel right. I should fucking not comply. I didn't, And what do

Mission with like the DARE program.

Because you're telling the compliant kids to not do drugs. On the other hand, you're telling the non.

Compliant kids that this is their path. What do they tell you?

Only bad kids do drugs, And these kids have already been told time and time again that they're bad because they don't listen and they get it distracted when the light's flickering and it's fucking fifteen minutes until recess. Those are the kids that they put on the drugs, and then the kids that do recreational drugs and the kids that oftentimes drop out of high school become a lot of these throwaways in society, but they're very fucking intelligent people.

Well, think about it like this, because I'll just tell you from my experience, and this is this segue that, by the way, all of those antipsychotic drugs have petrochemicals, and floor I.

Could just assume that anything pharmaceutical is going to be just fucking straight up poison. It is poisonous regardless of what it does to your brain. It's fucking killing your organs. Oh, killing your libido most of the fucking time.

Lexipro, by the way, I have I have a friend who takes it to this day and she's like, well.

What's her name? Where she live?

Just kidding?

So she's taking it forever long.

And has she listened?

No?

Okay, sorry, I just didn't want to make things awkward.

Oh but so she told me one day, she said, I'd like to take the lexipro because I don't have to deal with the anxiety or the depress anymore. But I cannot get any sensation in my vagina whatsoever. So what is betraying mood? I'm sorry, but that would make me depressed.

You know, some women get to that point anyway, so they don't give a fuck with the drugs. I mean, I'm not to just leave men out of the equation. Some people get to the like mundane stages of life and they're sex to have goes.

But then you throw this on top of that.

But that's besides the point. Think of what they do to Like, some of the most creative kids who are quote unquote what HyperAct is troubled. So when I was in like what you were saying, maybe middle school, Uh, the teachers would tell my mom like she's got kind of like her head in the clouds all the time, like she doesn't really want to focus on her assignments and stuff. She's always like doodling and doing whatever and

So what sold her on the antipsychotic.

They put a warrant out for my arrest because I was not going to school.

I remember you talking about this on an old episode of Deplorable Nation, shut Out, Janet.

Yeah, they put a warrant out for my arrest because I stopped going to school altogether because I was like, fuck all this shit. And when we went to court, the court ordered me to see this psychiatrist who wanted to put me on antipsychotic medicine. And she wanted me to take this antipsychotic medicine and she wanted me to go to this Laurel Wood Encampment place and paint pictures

What.

They didn't even give me my drugs when I was in jail. So how was that supposed to help?

You know, they say jail's one of the easiest places to get drugs if.

You want them, not Sarah quill, what was the point of do you want no? But I'm just saying, what was the point of going through with all that and just to end up still having to go to jail sitting there eating fucking fruit cups.

And it's kind of like what we were talking about yesterday with where you were at that job where they wanted you to get the COVID shot and they just dangled all this stuff in front of you, small threats. None of it stuck with you, and then they're just like fuck it, let it slide. Yeah, but you and your mom, it sounds like there you know, you would hit a point where something needed to change. I mean, I just as a parent, even if I didn't know,

What just seems like such a very long You know a lot of them, you're good.

But some of these ones they put like suicidal depressed people on, there's no turning back. It's like ozimpic for the mind.

I mean, that's a good way to put it. But anyways, that's my segue.

Into ozimpic frontal cortex instead of ozimpic volva.

I think they all give you ozimpic frontal cortex. I mean, I don't know why I said, you're fucking pharmaceutical level.

Well here's the other thing.

We're not gonna go a deep dive into these SSRIs, but anybody who wants to, and there's a lot of great podcasters out there who have done that. When you look at like what they know about serotonin and what they know about what causes depression, these fucking SSRIs are a shot in the dark.

They rarely work on people. I think it's like just going on memory.

I think it's around like twenty percent of people report like positive changes. Other people say like, yeah, it just helps keep.

Them baseline and afloat.

And then there's the fucking other outliers, which it's a huge it's not even an outlier. I shouldn't even say that word. It's more like casualties. People who fucking do kill themselves because these things take the edge off, or they go on them and then they don't like what they do, then they stop taking them, and then they

I think it's gonna be like the lobotomy.

Yes, I know, you know what I think is working for some people and they don't even realize it. I don't think it's got anything to do with the serotonin uptake. Whatever. I think it's florid because it's the fluoride.

Yeah, and it's not even like they've found things now they're putting in these things that are better than florid at numbing you. Like florid was the bit like where they started doing this, And now they've found all sorts of new chemicals that I wouldn't want to think they'd ever put in the drinking water, but I wouldn't put it past them either. I mean, if you're gonna put florid in the drinking water, what wouldn't you do?

Yeah, poison the town waters. Apply that's all you have. Buy a warfare man, that's what it is.

Well, yeah, and they've been doing it in smaller ways to all of us, to the people who don't get institutionalized or go through the mental health system. Is frequencies and all sorts of shit that we all are.

A subject to.

Like we don't take any pharmaceuticals, right and uh recreationally occasionally but not for the most part. But no, like organ doesn't fluorinate their water, and we're not taking serotonin uptake inhibitors or whatever the fuck. But imagine being in a state that already fluorinates the water chlorinates.

What that's what we're gonna call it?

What is it called? Just keep going, I'm sorry, is that not what it's called.

I think it's floridata.

They put fluoride in the water. They're on prozac, and you know they're getting blasted with fucking for a date, fluorinates whatever, Babe. I'm just saying people are getting fucked up.

Yeah, and we're gonna segue into some of the darker stuff at some point.

Yeah.

I would say that the pharmaceutical angle of it, as dark as it is, it's like, uh seven or a six on the scale that they have created on what they're willing to do to mentally ill people who a lot of the times are not even mentally ill.

And don't even get me or any of them really well.

I was gonna say, don't, and don't even get me started on like how it's targeted towards women too. Yeah.

I actually have come across that stat quite a few times.

It's just like the lobotomies.

Well, you know, we're just making up for the other ways that you guys aren't always getting attentioned.

Well, imagine like your prescribed birth control pills, prozac, you have zimpic.

You have to walk around the street knowing that every guy that looks at you is thinking about your a JJ.

They think about how this is targeted towards women though.

It's like, especially like when it first came onto the scene in modern day culture, it was basically only women. Hysteria was not something that you would say a man was, you know, suffering from.

Yeah, but it's like, oh, women are crazy women this women that it's like we've been literally driven to the point of like a pharmaceutical fucking lobotomy. And then people wonders why women is all emotionally.

Ye broad and not even to leave out that the damage that they do mentally to females in this society. Reproductively, they fuck you too because a lot of this.

Shit and you are one who can speak to this.

A lot of the stuff that they intervene with for other things they want to fix, it just fucks up your reproductive system and ways that you'll never recover from.

Yeah, your avocable damage, irreversible.

And we've talked this is a little personal, but we've talked about your mom with her cancer, Yeah, breast cancer, and she had taken a some kind of hormone, I assume, but she had taken some kind of mistigical intervention for breastfeeding. She didn't want to lac date and you got to wonder, like I wonder if that causes cancer?

Three times she did it. Yeah, But so this is this is why I say it leads into the psychiatry aspect, which we both have a lot of notes on this documentary we watched. But so I went to one of these places. It was literally called Laurel Wood, and it was like for for addition, so you were teenagers.

Destined from day whatever to have a wood for Laurel Canyon.

I didn't even think about it day.

I've thought about it the first time I heard you say it.

Yeah, it was called Laurel Wood.

We both have Laurel Woods.

But yeah, No, this place was for distraught teenagers who were and they were all they basically it was a bunch of teenagers who were all doped up on whatever antipsychotic of the month that they were prescribing, and they would they would make you sit in a circle and talk about nothing literally. And you know, I had a roommates or whatever that I still have on Facebook, and every now and again, she'll send me a message and be like, you know, I see you're doing good in life.

Yeah, it's like soldiers coming home for more. And I will say that the thing they did to men in.

These early eras drafting, sending to kill people overseas, that was like our big fucking depression. And you women have the mental health industry popping.

Up similar times.

Like men had to on a queue if their number was called, go fight people for whatever. And you guys were not allowed to show emotion. I keep saying you guys, you gals were not allowed to show emotion, not allowed to disobey your husband under most any circumstance, because otherwise you could be declared hysterical or insane.

I mean, think about I mean.

Just look at that era of what it did to both genders and now they don't even have any.

No shit. But I mean, in these places, it to me, I have like a PTSD thing about it because it felt like it felt like you were literally scum. They would watch you shower, watch you undress and dress, they would pat you down and rub your crotch and do all kinds of stuff to make sure you weren't smuggling a blade to try to kill yourself. And the food the.

True to deter people from suicide.

I'm just saying I was. I was in tenth grade, babe, tenth grade, and then I went to jail on top of that, and sometimes, you know, with all the story, my dad was a psychopath and he would always get admitted into these places and we'd have to go visit him. And when I see it in a movie even I get like triggered, like my god, because once you've been in there and they don't let you out.

So next week to be a fun episode, right, all the triggering fucking pop culture.

But I've tried to explain it to you. I know, I don't let you out until they're ready to let you out. You can beg cry, scream for your.

Mom, and that actually, in their minds makes them think you need to be in there longer if you act out because you don't want to be a fucking prisoner, which same people do not enjoy being fucking locked away.

No, they would let you. They would let me call my mom like once a week. It was horrible. But anyways, this is what's gonna seguees into the psychiatry aspect. I sent you a documentary to watch. It popped up randomly on my YouTube because I was looking for other things about the Willows Brooks State School, and it said, Uh, what was the title, like, craziest Psychiatry? Uh, something.

Corrupt psychiatric spittles in the US from the nineteen nineties.

Our life is it BBC, isn't it?

Or I don't know what it is, something like that, some kind.

Of sometimes with the accent is naring.

Yeah, and I will when it comes around to me on this.

I do have a few clips that I have pulled from here just because they speak better than we could describe what they're saying.

And you know, anyway, So what was your thoughts about the documentary? Overview?

Uh?

To give people just a little background on it. It's a documentary looks like it was made in the nineties, and the thing that was going on was the focus of the documentary was happening in Houston. It seemed to be a modern situation where this guy who went by doctor Mark Bolin, he had falsified his creditdentials and he came up with.

This scheme.

Where it was basically a privatized kidnapping situation where they would funnel in people into an institution through therapists, doctors. There was even some ties to suicide hotline, and every step of the way, they mainly took people who were insured privately, so they knew they could bleed money.

And it's funny too.

A lot of these people got out of it by saying that my insurance isn't any good anymore, or they noticed the coverage was gone. But anyway, every step of the way, they're just bleeding dollars and dollars and dollars. And there is places where, like what Juliet was talking about earlier, they had one physician on staff for thirty to thirty five people, and they would call in doctor to make rounds, ask how are you feeling today? And every patient was like one hundred bucks, and this doctor

Yeah, I'm glad you did that too, because I didn't have any clips queued up. But I think it's important for people, if they don't want to watch the entire documentary, to see at least some parts of it. Because I saw the title, I.

Mean it could even put in the show notes the link to it.

Yeah, I will.

So.

I was watching the Willow Brooks State School with Heraldo Rivera. This was in the side panel for like the recommended say, corrupt psychiatric hospitals in the US from the nineteen nineties, and I did that nineties mini series and I was like, Oh, that's so interesting that it was some type of corrupt hospitals in the nineties. I wonder what they were doing. And I clicked on it and I was just, you know,

Normal everyday people living normal everyday lives, having normal everyday problems became victims of this thing.

Yeah, and some of them got their kids taken away, some of them.

Yeah, We've got some examples that will show clips of, but one of them is I think it's one of the first ones they talk about, and Julia and I both remembered it because it's crazy. This married couple had an eighteen month old child and they were trying to save their marriage and the husband was even quoted in the documentary as saying, I wasn't trying to save it for sheer. I I was mainly focused on saving it for child, which say what you want about that, I

Had been his wife.

Yeah, had been held at a facility, and he ended up finding where it was and going there, and it took him some trouble to get in, and once he got in, he got surrounded. He never saw his wife, and then they committed him and they and what they do is they have this twenty eight day program where

And this went on for years. I mean the attorney general of texts.

Of so this was in Houston, yeah, Texas, and I don't know if it was the local attorney general or the state, but they stepped in and caught this guy, found out that his credentials were fucking forged, and he would get these doctors to like play along and get rich with him in the process. And a lot of these people they interview in the documentary or doctors that said fuck you know, but how many said yes enough to get And they also emphasize in the documentary that this is not an isolated event.

This happens a lot everywhere. And this was in the nineties.

And I'm not to just assume that it's gone away altogether.

No, I would say, if anything, they've just gotten more slick about how they run it. Yeah, you want to play your clip.

Yeah, So so we talked about one instance with the married couple. Okay, so this guy and I think they do set it up.

A little bit.

I don't remember how much they say, but basically just a normal guy with the health ailment gets a surgery that ended up being pretty serious, and he gets thrown into this fucking weird system.

I've had eighteen major surgeries in almost forty five hours under the knife in the last three years.

A surgeon's knife had left Roy Shannon with no spleen and most of his intestines and bowels removed. He was in intense pain. In the process, he'd becomes seriously addicted to painkillers and heavy drugs. To counter his pain and addiction. He was referred to a PIA hospital in Dallas.

The telephone conversation that I had with doctor Leon to Brookhaven Psychiatric Hospital had assured me that he could get me on the road recovery.

Very nice picture, but that's not what happened.

He diagnosed me on the phone as being a manic depressive.

We found that UH Brooke caven Is is probably one of the uh UH worst actors UH in, at least in the state. We think primarily because of the clientele that they are usually able to attract UH out there, but also because they employ some unusual forms of psychological therapy that UH are still in testing stages of. For for most uh reasonable practitioners.

Their plan for detoxification is, uh they strap you to a bed in uh leather restraints and what hadn't.

Uh you're left there.

I was left that way through the night, and they had strapped me during the During that time, my legs were spread, my arms were down to the side of the bed, and they were distrapped with a kind of like a leather bands to the bed rails. You're left with a boalbum that has no control as a baby has. And it's like staying in dirty diapers, you know, for through the evening into the night, all night into the

How is that supposed to tut you off drugs?

I have no idea how that cuts you from drugs?

Uh.

I mean they restrain you and restrict yous. There's it's like a cold turkey type thing. I felt dejected and rejected. I felt hurt abused.

So that's one instance, and I do think it's a little more mild than some of them. But this just to emphasize that this was a guy, through no fault of his own, had a health problem, some serious surgeries that would change the rest of his physical life anyway, and then he gets addicted to painkillers.

Imagine, no, hun, they took most of his bows, his spleen, he's got just shits on himself like a baby, and they strap him down to shit on himself throughout the night. And this was supposed to be good for his mental health situation. Yes, just I mean, think of this. Did you see the look on that poor man's face.

Yeah, I mean, you gotta wonder painiful.

They don't really talk about, you know, how long he was in there. I assumed he stayed the full twenty eight days, but they did make him go cold turkey and say what you want about that, just.

The him down and make him shit on it.

Just the whole inhumane treatment of a guy who, yeah, through no fault of his own, you're depressed. Well, yeah, I just had half of my innards removed, fucking red.

But think about this, it's the nineties, right, dope sick. They probably put him on fire, oh he was. They probably put.

Him before he was out the door of the hospital. He's popping those things like smarties, garing fucking teed.

So they get him addicted first off to the pain medication.

And then they wonder why he's depressed.

And then they wonder why he's depressed.

Have you ever met an up aty junkie?

But maybe they get you addicted this stuff and then they're like, you're depressed, and then they they.

Just then he gets and he doesn't even get into a good just say what you want about this overall state of the above board psychiatric care facilities. He gets roped into this fake one that just bleeds them with money and treats them a piece of meat.

I mean.

But the other aspect of this was, as always with any fucking dark scheme, the biggest victims end up being children. And I've got a couple more clips to demonstrate that, but I do want to show you first before we move into that angle of it. And actually it's just going to show one of their basic ass infomercial things and then it moves into like targeting kids.

I still can't believe what our son's problems did to our family. The screaming, the fights, and everything to do with school was just a nightmare.

I finally realized we had to find some help.

Everything okay, it.

Sure is if you are trying to deal with a troubled teenager called they would hospital now at seven one, three, three, three, two nine five zero.

A lot of parents don't know their teenager is headed for trouble until the school tells them. They have no idea how much trouble he's really in until school gets out. They hope the problem will get better over the summer, until it gets worse. The truth is, some parents don't want to believe there's a problem at all until there's no solution. Don't let your teenager waste another school year. Specialized care just for kids.

Clearly, the thing that's affected me the most is the way that this industry has insidiously gotten itself involved with the children, and they do so in a variety in a variety of ways. The most blatant example is the way that psychiatric facilities in Texas have obtained a presence in school counseling facilities in independent school districts throughout the state. And it's such an incitia way for them to get business, that is, through the school districts and by way of

The most psychiatric hospitals placed their own counselors in American schools. In Texas, investigations and now underway in twenty four school districts for illegal referrals to their hospitals.

When we started admitting children as young as two and three years of age, that gets you a little bit. And then the adolescent program, it was easy to admit those patients and we knew they were going to stay for a long time and they had no say in the admission, so they'd be there for sixty to ninety days.

We've seen the referrals being made by school counselors, people that as we grow up in life, we've we've been taught to put our trust in and instead, many many times our schools become pipelines for our students into these private hospitals and sometimes if possible, in many cases we heard where that was used to pull not just the child in, but the parents as well.

And al.

Be careful now.

Corticia Dupre had just had her fourth birthday when she was referred for a consultation at Laurel Wood, a p I a hospital in Houston.

There Burwood, you can't do it, You did it?

Okay, you wanna come down?

Her mother, Laisha, suspected the child that had been sexually abused, not.

From up there.

P i A persuaded her that Quarticia needed immediate hospitalization. They suggested she stay with a child for four days to keep her company.

After the four days were up, I was ready to go, and they were trying to keep me there. I kept saying, hey, I want to get out of here. You know, my time is up, and she kept saying that, no, I really think it's something inside you that's wanting to come out and will come out, and it's going to be a nasty sight, you know. And I'm like, I don't care, you know, even if so, I'm ready to go, and

The hospital's attitude towards Leisha changed. They separated her from her child until one evening she was summons to the children's units.

Next thing I know, she said, grab her and this guy before I can even turn my head, he grabbed me. And then the guy that called me to have me to come over there from the beginning. He comes out, you know, finally and he say strap and it's like they went around the corner to get to s you know, the strap, and it it was like everything was just set up because it took them less than a you know second to grab me and less than you know,

Hospital records show that Pia asked four year old Cortitia whether she'd ever thought of suicide.

I was so desperate I called the police department and that's when I got a hold of the chief.

Canto well, it was a Saturday and I had come in to do some extra work and the phone rang and I answered it, and it was a UH woman requesting assistance that uh, she was being detained against her will in a hospital and that she was not a patient there.

I guess when you were in a mental hospital or whatever the hospital it was, people aren't gonna listen to you cause they gonna think you crazy. But you know that's not really the case.

I went in there with the intention of trying to do a constructive investigation. I felt that Leisha was telling me the truth. This other gentleman, I felt that, uh, he was holding back, he wasn't being cooperative. Uh, he wasn't giving me the information I needed, uh, evasive, and finally I felt that he was playing games with me, and I wasn't gonna put up with it. She told me right there in front of him she wanted to be let out. And I asked him, I said, are you going to let her out?

And he said no.

I said, well, we'll see about that. I came back to my office, I started making some phone calls to some judges and state representatives, and I got a phone call within about two hours that they had decided to let her go, So.

Is somewhat happy ending there.

Dude, that is literally kidnapping.

Yeah, And I also I didn't clip this one, but it's noteworthy, and I would recommend anybody who's intrigued by these clips that we've shown and the stuff we've talked about with it to watch the whole thing. It's like forty eight minutes long. Yeah, it's a quick watch. And another instance was this fourteen year old kid named I think Jeremy, was living with what appeared to be.

A grandmother and a grandfather.

And somebody from the school sent over somebody to snag him and take him to this place, and she wouldn't let him go, and they ended up saying to her, and this is something fucking cops always do, Well, you can make it easy.

You can let him come with us right.

Now and we'll hold him for twenty four hours, or you can fight this and we'll come back with a court order and hold him for the full.

Twenty eight days.

And she fought it tooth and now she called a lawyer, she called the cops, and they ended up being able to take him anyway despite her best efforts. And then they couldn't even figure out where he was. And they finally got in there, they weren't allowed to see him. He had to do the full twenty eight days. And like Julia just said, this is literally kidnapping kid was a minor.

His guardians would not.

Comply with the orders of you know, he needs to be incarcerated, and they did it anyway. Like we said when we introduced this, they did end up becoming the subject of a heavy investigation, and I do believe it all got shut down. But they also emphasized that this is just one of many and this guy was playing fast and loose, And I'm starting to wonder the counselors. So yeah, this guy recruited counselors. This guy recruited doctors,

Have you, absolutely did you look to see if he ever got incarcerated for this.

No, and in fact, I think maybe we should before we in the episode tonight at the end of it, because I was kind of rushed and researching this documentary and I.

Ended up getting a lot of nuggets out of it.

I'm glad you sent it to me, but a follow up on mister fake doctor Mark Bollen it would be worth it.

Also looking into old Klaus.

Yeah, well, you know that's one of the things I love the most about you. Because I watched it, I thought you would find it interesting. I sent it to you. You watched it. You was also shook by some of the stories in there, and it's like this was the nineties.

I was alive and a little kid when this stuff.

Was going on.

But I'm just saying, think of how this is our lifetime.

Escalated, think about how things can.

Well I'm to cap this episode off with that in mind, because you don't pay attention much to modern day politics or moves made in that area.

But we will close off with where it might be going, and we might be going fucking backwards.

Who well, do you have anything else about this psychiatry thing before we kind of touch on mk Ultra.

Oh, yes, some of the finer points that I felt were worth writing down from this documentary. Where as we've tracked in the movement and growth of this industry. We'll call it psychiatric care to you know, sugarcoat it like they would. It's basically state sand kitchen fucking imprisonment. Yeah,

And now we're talking about right here.

So this shit doubled in the eighties, and it was the biggest in Texas. As this documentary the focus point was Houston, Texas, but apparently that was big in that state. But by the nineties, when they were making this documentary, it was a fifty billion.

Dollar a year industry.

And one can only imagine where it's at today.

In the nineties, if it was a fifty billion dollar a year industry, you can just quadruple that number probably, and that's where we're at now, I would assume. But does that number include the pharmaceuticals.

No, this is just this is just the scheme of filtering people through all these different avenues into the psychiatric imprisonment that itself through. As it was demonstrated in this documentary. All that money is basically coming from privatized insurance and this is privatized psychiatric care. So I am a capitalist over a socialist at the end of the day. But unregulated capitalism and regulation isn't even the fucking answer because that oftentimes it's just one hand washing the other as well.

I'm imagining it's much more than fifty billion a year.

In the nineties, it was kind of really taking off heading towards its peak.

So yeah, it'd be interesting to see what that market was as well.

But just from the psychiatric care alone, you're talking fifty billion a year in the nineties.

So would you agree with me when I say stuff like the reason that there's no cure for cancer is because the treatments are worth billions and there's there's no cure for schizophrenia or mental illnesses like this, because the treatments are worth billions. I mean, they don't want people to get well, they don't want people to get better. They don't want somebody to find out that acupuncture can take away the fucking shadow people at night.

Well, and I would argue that the cure for cancer is one hund preventative. Preventative care.

Say you get cancer, right.

And then you revert back to what you would have done to not get cancer in the first place, to hope your body rights itself.

You know, sometimes people.

Do go through these radiation slash chemo treatments and they're younger, healthier people, and they do bounce back. I have a fucking family member. He's married to my grandmother. He's basically my grandpa.

They married.

I as like sixteen, but he goes in and out of cancer treatment every few years. It just keeps popping up and he keeps killing it, but it keeps coming back. And then you got to wonder is the treatment causing the cancer to come back and killing it?

But anyway, there are outliers that do get better.

But for the most part, I mean, there was a guy in like the mid fuck where was he.

I want to give a time frame here.

I would say it was in the fifties or sooner. He was doing intervenious vitamin C treatments for cancer patients, and they completely buried this guy. I'm not saying that I think that's the overall answer to cancer, but it's funny that they also suppressed vitamin treatments.

That were popping up during COVID.

Funny because when my mom had cancer, I found that guy and I told my mom about the vitamin C and I was like, would you because there are these little places that have popped up recently where you can just go get in few with whatever vitamins and stuff. And I asked her if she would do it, but at that point she had kind of succumbed to I'd just done trying, and I don't want.

To do any of I'm gonna do what the doctors recommend. But yeah, so, yeah, they don't want a cure. They want a slow drip treatment system that doesn't aim towards betterment.

So I think it's the same with mental illness. I think throwing pills in psychiatry at this stuff is not the solution. I think that the guy from the first episode. The African guy had a lot of great points made about how we do it completely asked backwards.

Well, imagine if he would have seen this shit. He was over here when this shit was taken off and doubled in the eighties. But imagine if that guy had walked into this place.

Imagine if he would have walked into the Willowbrooks State School with naked kids throwing shit, and.

And maybe he saw stuff like that.

I mean, it just I don't know Han's it's a mess. What do you got on himk.

Ultra, Well, this is a topic that is near and dear to me in my other show, I guess I'm saying other show. I consider myself a permanent co host on yours.

Yeah, but on my other show.

And don't worry, there will be things I don't do with her for those people who like her alone better, I understand I do too. So what anyway, I have done a pretty good amount of research, and damn k Ultra, and I came into it through my.

Interest in how they weaponized LSD. But that really isn't in all of this.

It is going to be in some of the stuff I bring up because it was prevalently a part of it. But basically what you'll come to find was in the fifth these spilling over into the sixties kind of getting tossed around some congressional regulation attempts where they mainly drove this shit underground. It still happens, of course, we all know that. But they were doing a knee open with Sydney Gottlieb, not Frank Olson, Sydney Gottlieb's mk Ultra program.

So they would get these.

People on board that we're working directly with the CIA, and they were doing all sorts of mind control experiments, and in You and Cameron's case, he was focused on the surface level of curing things such as schizophrenia.

And I have a few articles, but we're also going.

To watch some clips where you'll see how dark some of this stuff got and how it spills over into all of our favorite conspiratorial topics with brainwashing.

Project Monarch and the likes.

But we'll start with me reading off my cracked screen. It's an article from the Canadian Encyclopedia written by Taylor C. Noakes between nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty four, though possibly beginning as early as nineteen forty eight. Psychiatric experiments were conducted at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, a psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with McGill University. Scottish American psychiatrist

Of mind control.

Officially, neither the United States nor Canada has admitted to being responsible for the experiments. Wow Wow survivors have attempted to receive compensation with some success.

Wait, so they won't admit that they did it.

Well, there are instances such as with the Church.

Committee and I thank seventy five where this congressman from Idaho brought all of this stuff MK Ultra Project Mockingbird, among other things into the spotlight and they were said to have ended all of it after that. But other than that, I mean, the things that they were willing to admit to were very minimal. And what they did admit to they said, it's long stopped and.

We're not doing any of that anymore. Oh Fox, So yeah, I mean, oh yeah. As far as accountability goes, I can't tell.

You accountability zero.

I can't tell you the political process history.

That's how it's like. They're survivors who can say, yeah, they did this stuff to me, and they're like, no, we didn't.

So some background on this. The United States became interested in mind control in the fifties after the war. It was believed that North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union had employed mind control techniques during the conflict, particularly on American prisoners of war. Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan also conducted unethical human experimentation during the Second World War, some of which are believed to involve the use of drugs for a mind control purposes. As a result, the US

Fucking mind control experiments in China, Russia and North Korea. So now we got to do it. And that is.

Always what we are led to believe is the premise of it. But when you get as deep as some people have, one might start to think that these fucking countries are working together as per trade.

In George Orwell's nineteen eighty.

Four, we staged these wars sacrifice, you know, hundreds of thousands, millions of people in the process, while we get enriched building weapons, building fucking mind control techniques, faking space races to build more weapons and whatever it is. But that is what m k LTRA always when you read into it, that's always the reason why they were doing it, and we had to catch up and pass them. So to get into doctor Cameron, if you didn't have anything to say,

I've got the documents.

This is written by a Professor David Harper of University of East London and in the show notes, maybe Julia will tell you what book this came from.

I don't want to go back because I had the like pdf.

This the experiments at the heart of page Cooper's story sounds as if they are straight out of a dystopian conspiracy thriller. But they really happened already. I like the direction of this article.

Munch me too.

They were conducted in the nineteen fifties and early nineteen sixty sixties by doctor Ewan Cameron, and they even fucking shortened his name for us. A British born psychiatrist and director of the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, Cameron sought to develop what he saw as a revolutionary new psychiatric treatment, but his experiments were secretly funded by the CIA as part of what historian Alfred McCoy refers to as a

You will both be I mean both of us.

And our listeners will be familiar with at least the latter deep.

Patterning, WEP with psychic driving.

He's the one who for the CIA was I mean, We're.

Gonna watch a video after I read this article of a guy it's more sad than anything that was shown in the the UH Houston, Texas Kidnapping scheme documentary. It's we're gonna show a few clips from it, but anyway, Yeah, Cameron gave his procedures to He varied them over time and from patient to patient, but they typically involved the

Were played repetitively on a tape loop system via loud speakers or a football helmet contraption for sixteen hours a day for several weeks.

And we're going to show a clip of a very unfortunate example of this. Cameron sought to intensify the effect by placing his patients in a sensory depor vision quote box end quote. We're talking Joe Rogan and stranger things in the stables of the hospital and giving them cocktails of drugs which would immobilize them but keep them awake whilst they experienced hallucinations induced by psychedelic drugs val or lick cow something like that. Described her experience as quote

And this I'm flabbergett. I'm speechless.

Oh, as far as mk Ulter goes, this is like one of several fucking ways they were doing this weird. He makes all the shit that we're led to believe was the worst thing that ever happened in Nazi Germany makes it. I mean, then it was a spillover effect because a lot of these fuckers that came over via via paper clip were the ones doing this stuff.

Starting to wonder if they didn't do this to you know, Q four what.

That quation when you told me the story of that guy, It just reminded me of like if I don't know name your favorite filmmaker made stranger things and you would have that guy like.

It's just a crazy story.

They drove him to non anyway, Yeah, I agree. Oh they're giving patients names here too. Anyway, val or lecow.

She was.

Yes, she was given LSD and stimulants and then made to listen to her last tape sessions. In the case of a patient named Mary, Cameron kept her in his sensory deprivation box for thirty five days. I mean, this is what they do to punish people in prison, is solitary confinement. Let alone sensory.

Her in a sensory deprivation box for thirty five days. Let's saying here gave her repeated electro shocks and drug Sorry, go ahead.

If you want to turn No, I'm just the torture thirty five days comma gave her repeated electro shocks whilst she was in drug induced comma, after which she endured one hundred and one days of quote psychic driving in quote at the end of her quote treatment end quote. According to Cameron, quote, no favorable results were obtained in.

Quote oh weird, my God, a.

Result that comes as little surprise with the link with the CIA emerged only after years of dogged investigation. In nineteen seventy four of The New York Times published an article by Seymour Hirsh about unconstitutional CIA activities, based in part on an internal report. Yeah, this is what I was talking about earlier. The CIA called the family Jewels. That was the Church Committee. Hersh's article sparked investigations by President Ford's Rockefeller Commission. Ah, they're back in the US

What I'm telling I knew he was not running this shit. He was an innocent contractor.

Well he got fucked, is what he got. But he what.

To get.

Well, yeah, we could get into Frank Olson. Julie and I have both gone into him on other episodes about how he got dosed at this like outing in the woods and then he started fucking freaking out about what he was a part of, and he was wanting to talk and then they threw him from it. I know a lot of people think that he was on acid and he jumped to his death, but those are just regards that think that closed window. Only the truest of

Moved into the other place. This is all that going on. Oh, at the same time, this is like a movie.

You could just do a movie like from fifty five to the early sixties.

And anyway, okay.

Cameron had begun to receive money for his research from the CIA in fifty seven via front organization called the the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology Good name. Mark showed that Cameron's research was Subproject sixty eight of

Story Big Circle, of course.

So we're gonna watch clips from this what they're talking about after I get done read in the article from this. Nineteen eighty the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation the CBC fifth the State program broadcasting investigation Cameron's experiments, including interviews with several

But anyway, it led them to dig into this more.

Morrow, a doctor, had approached Cameron for a fellowship in psychiatry, but he decided to admit her as a patient, claiming she appeared quote nervous end quote she underwent Cameron's quote deep patterning end quote regime of electro shock and barbituates

No fucking I mean, I would call him a rogue maverick. It doesn't mean he was good.

He had he had some key backing, of course, as they always do. I would say him and doctor Sidney Cohen are two people that you would want to look into when you want to see Gottlieb is the head of him.

K Ultra Fuck that guy.

It was like fucking Operation Artichoke or some ship first, and then.

That's what Frank Olsen was involved with.

Yeah, Frank Olsen was this guy contracting them. He was a fucking government scientist and he got entangled in this and took the dive. But yeah, anyway, I would say Sidney Cohen looking to him, he's the guy who gave LSD.

If you listen to a COULD series, he gave LSD to What the fuck was the guy's name? Who did Sinnanan?

Chuck?

Chuck?

Didrich? Yes, Didric and many others. I think he gave it to.

Carry Grant other notable people probably intermingled with the rat Pack and the Laurel Canyon fucks.

Say, you have pointed out to me that I have remembered wrong some stuff about Frank Olsen in past episodes.

Are we gonna rehash this year?

No, I'm not rehashed and shit, I'm just saying I go off my memory and sometimes I get like dates and certain thing.

Yeah, you focused on the Frank Olsen story after reading that book by what's his name, the Richeald Belzer.

The stand up comedian.

Yeah, Robert Belzer.

I think it's Richard Richard Belzer.

But yeah, Frank Olsen was not in charge of him Kilter, but he was one of the first casualty fuck ups internally. I mean, these fuckers were dosing each other at parties, they were doing. Operation Climax is probably one a lot of people have looked into, if not look into, that they were getting hookers to bring John's back to places with two way mirrors. However, this is not an MK

No, I'm curious to see what these clips are.

Oh, it looks like it's just one big long one.

It's about six minutes, So pause for a pee break and get your little ones out of the room, you crazy.

Fox if you've got them in there. Anyway, it's a cosmic peach. I hope not.

Some people is down with the peach in front of their kids.

I am, but this instance, keep the little ones away. So this is going to be going into doctor Ewan Cameron, who we've been talking about, speaking and then some tragic stories. We've got about a six minute clip, and then we'll give our closing arguments and maybe lick our middle fingers and tease for next week or week or whatever.

It's going to fucking be I don't.

Know, to the point where he is destroying the minds of hundreds of people.

These are the days and hours.

Of the occasion.

Inspired by the exuberant post war optimism in technology, Cameron thought he'd achieved a major scientific breakthrough how to repair a damaged human mind. The media rejoiced, even coined a phrase which would become a tragically silly oxymoron, beneficial brainwashing. Linda McDonald was a young mother with five children the age of five when she started feeling low. Her family doctor knew just the man to make her better.

I was tired, I was depressed. My back was hurting, and so he said to the children's father, why don't you go to Montreal and visit this doctor Ewan Camera, this famous man who has all of these accolades, and have an assessment.

So we went.

My medical file even says that I took my guitar.

With me.

And that was the end of my life. Within three weeks, doctor Cameron decided to call me in acute schizophrenic and ship me up to the sleep room.

How long did they put you to sleep?

For?

I was in a coma for eighty six days, eighty sixties unbroken sleep, total comatose state.

The theory was simple, her a disturbed mind and start all over again. One of doctor Cameron's colleagues at the time was doctor Peter Roper.

The aim, I think really was to wipe out the patents of thought and behavior which were detrimental to the patient which was sick, and replaced them with healthy patents of thought and behavior. I think this may have been stimulated by the effects of the American prisoners of war and career, how they seemed to have been brainwashed.

The movie called The Sleep Room dramatizes one technique for brainwashing, extreme sessions of electroshock therapy massive jolts of electricity, three or four times a day for weeks. According to her hospital records, Linda MacDonald had one hundred of these treatments. She entered hospital for treatment of what we can now guess was postpartum depression. Her records show the results of shock and radical drug therapy. May fifteenth shows some confusion.

I had to be toilet trained. I was a vegetable. I had no identity, I had no memory. I'd never existed in the world before, like a baby, Just like a baby that has to be toilet trained.

She eventually went home, her depression gone and her entire previous life gone with it.

This is one of the twins.

It was in sixty two before I went to the alum and this is the same one.

I think.

I just look at the pictures and I know who that is, who they are, but I don't remember them as my children at all. I mean, I know that they came from my body, but there's no so that's all I don't know. And that's because I was told that, so these are my children.

Robert Logi was little more than a child himself when he was referred to doctor Cameron. He was eighteen. He had a sore leg. His doctor thought it was all in his head and sent him to the Allen. Like Lynda McDonald, he went through a nightmare of shock therapy and drugs including lsd.

Well I was given els to you about every second day and injected and sometimes it was mixed with sody mamatal and other drugs.

Idiot Park one on one tape two.

Most of the drugs were experimental but seemed suitable for brainwashing, or as Cameron preferred to call it, deep hatterning. Then during the long sleep, the patient would be forced to listen to subliminal messages that were supposed to print new, sometimes bizarre thoughts on his blank mind.

I was aware of the speaker under my pillow. I was aware of the words, which where you killed your mother, you kill your mother? Yeah, who was alive? And well, who was alive? Amount and.

Over and over again.

This voice is well, like I say, it takes about two seconds to say that message. And this was going on for twenty three days. And when I went home after being there, and when I went home, my mother was there and why was she there? And didn't make any sense?

So what was going on here? Doctor Ewan Cameron was at one point head of the World Psychiatric Association and is still admired by some of his former colleagues. Doctor Peter Roper, what is.

The possibility that we had a good, well motivated man whose ego and ambition took charge of his professionalism and led him into some very direct places.

Well, I would put that chances pretty slight. I think it's more likely that if he'd been around to defend himself when this story came out, we would have a totally different picture of it.

What would he say, put yourself in hissue. What would he say.

I think it'd say, Look, I treated these patients to the best of my ability. I didn't get all of them well, but most of them I got better than they were.

So once again, that's it. That's the fifth estate. And I will give Julia the links for these all the clips that we've showed, and she'll put them in the show notes for you. I'd recommend watching all of it, but as you can see, zero accountability from a close colleague still alive, wearing a lap coat.

In the interview.

I don't know if they're trying to imply he's still practicing. I fucking hope not. But uh yeah, some of it was a success, like, for example, that first woman who went home not depressed, but you know what, she had.

No memory of any of her life. It's like that movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson.

But anyway, when you start thinking about MK ultra.

Offshoots that still are not.

You know, technically acknowledged, such as Monarch, and you look at what they were doing to these people. This is the nineteen fifties, and then you start to see oddities with pop culture. The Laurel Canyon scene.

Manchuran candidate type shit, and a lot of people were willing.

To just wash this stuff out, throw the baby out with the bathtub, as JJ would say, and just assume that it's all an exaggeration. But they were putting an infinite amount of resources into this stuff. We see the aftermath of it today, and even though this is a mental health slash insanity centric episode, you do have to start wondering, like you're seeing the techniques developed. Yes, they were using these people, these throwaways as guinea pigs, but what did they do after this anyway?

Closing arguments, of course not there's no way.

It's spilled over into the entertainment industry, politics, every facet of your life. They where you want to think this stuff doesn't exist. But yeah, the mentally ill are a large part of the research that led to this furthering of this kind of shit.

It's the psychic driving the deep patterning.

These are fucking terms that are acknowledged in the mainstream that this guy was developing in this place and he never lived to see his day in court, and he's got a colleague willing to defend him right now, Well, I don't know what this was made, but it was more recent, of course than that first documentary.

They put that woman asleep for eighty six.

Days, and then how about that poor kid in with acid every other day. It almost seems like this was kind of like.

That thing going on in Houston.

If you can get end up in this program from having a sore leg, shit.

Oh my god, Hey, my leg kind of hurts this this is her venous ass.

This is Canada.

They will officially recommend suicide if you ask for a fucking chairlift on your stairway. If you're a veteran, that's real. Or you have an earache, you're a tarded guy with an earache, the Canadian government will put you out of your misery. So you think it's crazy here, it is. We're living in crazy times. But a lot of this stuff was going on north of the border. Hey, shout out Davy Wavi, but we know you're not part of this.

Okay, but okay, but do you think the CIA is just running this all of it psychiatry, these Laurel encampments, pharmaceuticals, this is all like a big experiment.

Yes, this is the legs of what is the top of the table today, Like you can look back and see this isn't a fucking conspiracy theory. These are fucking legitimized accounts of what they were doing, what they were developing, using the dregs of society as guinea pigs. It wasn't just the mentally ill people labeled mentally ill. It was prisoners, it was everybody. You go, you get a hooker in the fucking late sixties and San Francisco, you could have stumbled into fucking Operation Climax.

Okay, but that woman had postpartum.

She felt what did they say? She felt a little low a moment with five children, felt a little low. She felt low whatever that means. Whatever that means. I have one kid and I feel loll sometimes. This bitch has got five.

They erased any memory of her lowliness, and she's no longer depressed.

I wonder, I just have.

A feminine moment right now?

Please need more of that?

Doesn't it just speak to the incredible nature of God's design of our bodies that you could go through something like that and still manage to be okay, Like your body tries to heal itself.

Well, I would.

Resume some type of normal life.

I would argue that this woke territory that you're treading lightly and trying to avoid exists because the foundation.

Of it is absolutely true.

I'm fucking woke to a degree when it comes to you know, the what do.

They call him?

Marginalized women being one and this is fucking recent And she fell into this lady that got her mind raised, fell into that two thirds category, felt a little lull. Let's erase your entire fucking life as.

A result, men and women, Sure, the ability to recuperate after something like that with your spiriting, Well.

The old guy, eighteen year old, given acid every other day, being psychically driven to believe that he killed his mother, goes home, his mom's alive.

What were they doing with him?

Was he like a guy they never activated to pull off.

Some kind of assassination?

Because the I mean, the icing's on the cake already. You know that hospital and they took this eighteen year old kid in and they basically did what they did to Ted Kaczynski at Harvard in this big timeframe we're talking about here.

But the ability to recuperate from that, it's amazing still go on with your life.

The human spirit is if nothing else resilient, there'd be a lot of folks who would go through something similar to what that man and woman in that clip went through and they would not recover.

Well, somebody that you and I have taught, and then we'll do it like a closing statement. But somebody that you and I both have talked about at nauseum is Paul Banasi. How is he able to go like? He has a family somewhere, he got married, he has kids. How do you go high?

If Paul Banasi is in fact not part of the syop, and I do wonder about him, just because he is so heavily entrenched in the John DeCamp Is it John?

Yeah?

And my cousin Bill Colby.

He is part of that narrative, and he's so sensationalized that he just might be the West Memphis three of the Franklin Scandal, the fucking red Herring.

Let's just say for argument sake that he's.

Not okay if he's real, and I'm willing to entertain that for sure, because I'm not willing to he is part of the Big three witnesses that is on document that you could prove that's real. He's a real person now, whether he was snagged into this sy up or not. If he's a real person, I can't imagine the stuff he's claimed, he's witnessed. He claims he's fractured into the multitude of different people, and he's having a family somewhere.

He's married, and he has kids, and he works the jobs that's doing such.

I mean, and not only was he fucking ritualistically abused and passed around, he was part of the recruiting, picking kids off the street, watching snuff films of people.

He picked up street kid's in front of him.

I mean, the fact that you could ever bounce back from that is astounding to me and be a father.

I mean, I run over a squirrel and I have a bad day. Same, So fuck that. Sorry, Paul, that really sucks.

Let's just say all of that is real, the real shit, and it might be. The resiliency of this spirit of the human being is just remarkable to me sometimes that you could go through a sleep room CIA experiment or SRA or something like that and still somehow end up being able to function.

Later in life and raise kids and raise kids, not pass your trauma in some fucking miraculous way, because we all do.

And if your trauma's deep, hopefully he's done the work.

But think about his kids, right.

I'm sure there is no model.

In my opinion of pharmaceuticals or psychiatry that can heal passed down trauma like that.

Well, you know what you could do?

You and Cameron is dead, of course, but I'm sure he has proteges floating around out there. I wonder if that alcoholic doctor that venerated his name, you could erase Paulvanacci's memory.

They proved you could do that.

Passed down trauma in his kids, because you know that the a thing.

Yeah, And I'm not saying like heel that he shouldn't. I not would never state that he shouldn't be allowed to have kids. But we all do it. Anybody with kids out there knows that you try your best not to. It could be little things, it can be big things.

Even if it's just spiritual what he's went through.

Well, they talk about the epigenetics of trauma, study of all that, and there's some interesting breadcrumbs to go off and all that, and I believe it. I have shit going on in my own family. That makes me think there's generational fucking things that you can never escape.

Like it's just a.

Reality that Paulasi has your daddy right, Hopefully he's not still fractured.

Well, I'm like, what if one of his personalities is that guy that fucking snagged Johnny Gosh off the street or the guy that watched Hunter S.

Thompson make snuff films.

If that guy comes out during the diaper change or bedtime story, those kids are fucking And that's why I was, Yeah, I was like not trying to like make it not serious when I said.

Hopefully he's done the work, because you can't.

I mean, you can escape it to a level neither one of us knows the level of trauma compared to that guy. No, and you've had a rough life. I've had a semi cush life, and you know, nobody's gotten out scott free.

But fuck.

The The problem to me is the work that's available for him to do. I don't think works. I think it's all part of this fucking broken psychiatry system that keeps people on a treadmill. I mean, you'd have to go to that guy in fucking Africa, the shaman guy, and fucking do some serious spirit. I feel like you'd have to heal your spirit before I don't know, before you would think about wanting to have kids.

Yeah, this is a heavy closing.

What's this shit you got about Trump?

All right?

I forgot about this. I'm glad you reminded me so to wrap this all up. And as Julia teased with a question earlier, is where are we heading now? I do want to give a caveat because you can always spot opportunity to make Trump look bad. In my opinion, the left and the liberal media always focus on the stupid shit. They don't hardly ever show the stuff that you actually should be afraid of because both sides are doing it.

But this.

Clashing of mental illness and the homeless epidemic that not only a few major cities are suffering from, like you could say decades ago.

It's everywhere now. We have it skirt into our neighborhood on a regular occasion.

I feel like our area is on the up fucking tick. And just just.

To give a little tease, I would say Julia is wrong only because I've lived here in this house for five years and she didn't see it three years ago. When I couldn't walk to the downtown area without walking through encampments.

Guys, it's better than that.

Well, what they did was and I don't know what they did, but what on the outside looking in, what they did was they got rid.

Of all of it. I don't know how they did it.

I know there was a big crackdown. So we're gonna look at this on a national level. This is something that I had seen in the headlines and I didn't look into it more until Julia brought this topic to me to do a series on because I remember hearing that there was a big foot push in a bill that Trump passed for normalizing mental institutions and the way they were used previously in the stuff we've been covering

We are watching.

An perspective from an angle against Trump anyway, But I do believe and even in my own case, this is a reason to be concerned. I do want to preface this by saying this was January of twenty twenty five, so this year, roughly what seven ish months ago.

President Trump signed an executive or that makes it easier for states to remove homeless encampments and force homeless people into mental health or addiction treatment programs at least a dayjour Dan explains.

President Trump's order lays out his goal clearly.

He wants to move more people who are homeless into long term institutions and hospitals, including involuntarily. He also plans a dramatic shift in federal funds away from programs that place people into housing first and instead pushing for tougher immediate requirements for treatment. Homeless rates have been steadily rising since twenty seventeen. A federal count found that more than seven hundred and seventy thousand people were living in shelters

There is a great deal in this order, David.

First, does President Trump have the power to either encourage or tell states that they need to put more people in institutions, even involuntarily.

Well, no, not not specifically. And that's one of the interesting things about this order is that he's really they're really trying to incentivize and push states into doing this. Remember, states set the their particular laws, they set their criteria for how they handle involuntary commitments. So really this is

Then they just might What does President Trump say he is trying to do here, and how does that mesh with what we know about substance abuse and mental illness in this population in particular.

Well, I think Trump's message is something that does resonate with a lot of people, particularly as we've seen in cities where there are people camped out on sidewalks, where there are people who are clearly grappling with mental illness in a very visible public way. And so you know, whether you're seeing it firsthand or you're watching it on TV, certainly this is something that concerns people, right, but of course in a very Trump way. It's also sort of

Where are the advocates on the tension here. Obviously there's a public concern you talked about that, but what are their concerns about this idea of stepped up involuntarily moving people into hospitals.

Well, I think the the overarching fears that we might return to, you know, decades to policies at decades past where people were unjustly uh and unfairly being held in asylums for you know, months and years, against against their will and not really getting the right kind of treatment or maybe they weren't supposed to be there in the

You know, I spoke to a man who's almost eighty who's experiencing homeless is now, has for a long time. He is one of those roughly one third in that population who's also dealt with serious mental illness as we're talking about, and he said he just does not think there's room in the system, in the hospitals, in shelters for these kinds of populations.

What do we know about that?

Right, Well, there is limited bedspace, and you know, you know, in Florida, where I'm normally based, you see, you know, there's been a lot of forensic hospitals that have closed because there has been this push in recent decades to get people out into the community and to get them getting treatment out in the community and not in a locked up facility. So there really is not a lot

David Avaya, thank you for your reporting on complex issues.

We really appreciate talking with us today.

Thank you.

Well, I'll just say that that issue in itself is a whole episode, and.

There's some extreme views on it.

I find myself in the large gray area on the mental illness slash homelessness slash addiction thing that it's interesting to me January would have been Trump just worn in, so this was one of the first things he prioritized. And I don't hear a lot of talk, but I do hear some conspiratorial shit about truck drivers going to these treatment centers and driving away with sealed meat containers.

If you want to get conspiratorial about what's going.

On McDonald's, I don't even know we're eating homeless people.

Well at least they're shipping it away, So don't eat mc donald's overseas.

Everybody, they're shipping it away.

Yeah, that's my thoughts on the nuances of that.

I mean, yeah, there's there's so much you could say about it. But it does look like like this guy wasn't plane. It's a slippery slope in ways back to.

Medieval times is old. I just got the like a motherfucker really still going on.

Well, I'm somewhere in it, like I'm somewhere in the middle between these no human being. It's just a trash person that you can just throw away.

Especially people that are in need of some kind of help. Oftentimes they're not, but even the ones that are, Yeah.

To me, it's like, I'm not, I'm not. I can't get on board. We just like to throw a human being away somewhere, even just because they're homeless.

So what well, if you can can't, if you can throw a human being away for any.

Reason, then you can, and all sorts of reasons too. And that's where we are.

Like if you took somebody that had never like you took somebody from like another fucking planet or something, and you brought them to Earth and they were like, what are these people that are like intense all over the place? Those are the garbage people. Well, they're the fucking trash people.

At least they're recycling.

You know.

What I'm saying is like, we don't take care of.

Our yeah, And I think that's one of the overlying points of this whole series. Really is this condition that humanity finds itself in. And it's been an issue since we went back in episode one of it for what centuries like documented, but we can imagine that it's always been here, and the way we've dealt with it has gone into some dark fucking places, and we're still in the middle of that.

I feel unsafe and I get out at the gas station at night and there's like a homeless dude with one shoe on, just babbling away at himself. I don't feel like I want to get out of the car. I especially feel uncomfortable when they come up and ask you for stuff. But the next time that happens to you, you got to stop and think, if we had a system that took care of people like this, there wouldn't be homeless guys on meth with one shoe at the

Yeah, it's a whole spectrum. Like just a little anecdote. I had stopped for I don't remember what.

I think.

I was getting a beer and some pouches, and this guy's like, are you getting some food in there?

Men?

And he looked like he'd been hiking in the woods and not showered in a while.

He was totally coherent.

He fucking told me, well, why don't you if you're getting some food stuff, you could give me some money and then you can use my food card. So the guy was wanting to buy booze or something apparently. Yeah, and you know that kind of shit. That's not a homeless guy that's been only ill and there there's the people that nine times out of ten don't even know you're there and they don't interact with you. But I guess the conversation we had this sparked your desire to

And what do you do?

He might have killed somebody.

He might have killed somebody he tried to get He was institutionalized to the point where he preferred to be locked up, so they let him out one time, and he went to the overpass and started throwing shit into the freeway into traffic so he could go back to jail and get three squares in a cot.

But he might have misheddied some guys.

Well that was Yeah.

There was a local you know, I've not been living here too long, a few couple of years maybe, And a guy got his head damn near cut off on this local bike path that runs through the entire series of towns and cities here in southern Oregon. And some people thought this homeless guy did it. It's never been solved. But that's a whole other conversation.

So that's where I'm at. It's like, are certain homeless situations dangerous?

First?

Yes they are, and there are crazy.

Is it the majority? It's dangerous some places? I think so I don't.

Feel relatively night on skid row. I'm not spending the night two blocks that way.

But you know what I'm saying, though, is like I don't think these people should be thrown away.

Yeah, and we have nothing for them.

Not anything.

Objectively beneficial. And you know, it's a common problem here. Like I said, in this area, there was a sweep. But we're in a city that's, you know, roughly thirty miles from the California border and then you go forty five minutes north of US and they're just letting these fuckers take over the city parks. Families don't frequent the

And nobody can afford to live.

Yeah, it's just a whole fucking cluster fuck conglamoration of a whole lot of issues in Minilinness is right in the middle of all.

Yeah, I agree.

But anyway, enjoy your evening everybody.

I think, you know, it would be nice to see it, you know, put just post in the comments section, like what your thoughts on all this are. I mean, I know Colby reads the comments all the time.

Right If I go on Spotify and go to the thing, if I'm re listening to anything you've posted else comments, But I.

Don't know, there's not a lot.

Well I'm just saying that I could. I could check there is wherever you listen. I don't know you could comment on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Yeah, this is an issue that has probably affected everybody. If not familiar familially, whatever that word was supposed to be, it's probably at least on the outskirts of your life. Whether we're talking mental illness, homelessness, addiction, and the various mistreatments

Think this is a killer episode. I had a lot of fun putting my stuff together and watching that documentary I sent you because I was like, what the fuck is it?

Yeah, And I mean, at the rate we're going, we could probably do a ten part episode on this topic and just dive into the weeds. But I think we're bringing a lot of the like, you know, somewhat known stuff, but looking a little deeper into it.

Like even someone like me.

Who has researched this for years, I've come across a lot of new stuff to looking into it from this angle. And like you, sharing that documentary, you know, that brought a lot of stuff to light that I assumed wasn't that prevalent in that time period in the nineteen nineties.

Yeah, and I think we're gonna have even more fun in the next episode.

Well, this next episode will be the funnest one. Yeah, even though it's going to be all about the same topic, it's it's going to be you know, think of all your favorite movies that are at least somewhat focused around these issues we've been talking about, and I'm sure you can think.

Of plenty or shows or like whatever you know for movies.

And you know, I also want to at some point, and it'll probably be in next episode, talk about almost the fetishization.

Of mental illness that I see.

Especially in younger women, and it's almost like part of your he her, You're neurodivergent, You're on the spectrum. And people definitely are quick these days because of the programming coming from all angles to categorize themselves in these places.

To day lives.

Yeah, and quote unquote normal people, normal people, which is.

Your everyday people.

Yeah, your cousins, your daughters, your sons, your uncles, your bosses.

You can see it anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, people still wearing masks.

Maybe I have a couple movies in a show that I want to talk about. You got a couple movies and stuff. And it's like you said, we'll kind of dive all over the place. But I hope everyone out there is enjoying this series so far. Leave comments, uh, you know, share whatever. And with that being said, there is one very important, vital piece of information I need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.

Were nevertheless miscovings not with standing. Nevertheless, you need to sign nevertheless. It's best if you cooperate, think of the sake of your mind.

Best to relax and focus on your breathing. You're gonna feel a tiny sting when you wake up. The program will initiate. You won't remember a thing.

No sense fining, stop resisting such bad TiAl.

Such promise, wee promise. I just stepped out the Wiams except for walking getting.

A lay of the land.

Really no place to which I am long.

I don't have much of a plan.

I'm ready to go ignor.

Of confusion, ready to taste.

So called so blind, Perish the doubt.

It's only a delusion.

Look you, we've.

Found you the time.

No sense, fine.

Staryss, such fine, such charm and priss, such proseno scar scared

Skin, skin,