#980- Diving Deeper Into Biblical Literalism With Josh Monday

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Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to night.

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One of our bestest homies, one of our most DeVault affiliates. You know them, you love them, Josh Monday. Welcome to the show.

Brother, Thank you, bro, thank.

You, thank you for having me. And it was a short notice that to have me on. But I'll do like I said, man, I'm down to ite to work with you guys anytime. So I appreciate you having me on. Man, thank you.

I appreciate you coming on so early in the morning for those that don't know, because y'all are going to be listening to this whenever you listen. Right now it is seven forty five hour time, five forty five his time, and we're like, hey, brother, you freed tomorrow. He's like, y'all, y'all feel about the early morning. I mean like, all right, we'll make it happen. We are down because we're trying to pump out multiple episodes today, three.

Back to back. Today we are pumping out. So yeah, we got a lot of content to shoot today.

It's a work day.

Wow.

Yeah, on a Saturday of holiday.

It'd be like that.

But uh but yeah, man, how's everything been going on your neck of the woods?

Been going good? Be going good? Like I said, I put a lot more effort into the Bible studies than my conspiracy right now show. But it's okay. It's it's doing great, and like I said, it's affecting a lot

Probably Oh, I've been doing this show and honestly, just having people combat me on my views has forced me to be stronger in my faith because now I can't just, for instance, the whole statement of like the lion will sleep with the lamb. That's not what's said. It's about the wolf will sleep with the lamb. And it's like, wait, why have I heard the other way before? Where's that from?

So I absolutely hear what you're.

Saying on that. And the people have ever been responding very positively. I don't think there's I don't actually think we've ever had one negative comment towards Josh Monday honestly.

Oh yeah, there was one one negative comment that I read, and it was I think it's just one of the guys that kind of come on to your show and I tries to come on and comment bat all the time, one of.

Our prolific haters.

Yeah, sties, but.

There's a guy. There's a guy on there's a guy he's probably gonna listen to this show. He listens to your show. He always comments on Apple, Uh mister or something.

I don't know, Oh, mister hell j Yeah, that's our that's our longtime hater and uh for a while.

Which is this comment all the time on Apple every like every two weeks.

He tries to keep it up at the top.

And I remember at one time he said some very generous things and then immediately went back on it. And we didn't know what his deal was because he was having like he would say things that would make it seem like he had insider information into us. I thought maybe he was a hacker or something like that. Come to find out, no, we knew what his source was. And then I had buddies of mine in the government

He's not. He's a very sad, sad, lonely guy.

And I felt bad once I have my people start doing digging into him, like this is all he has is shitting on podcasts like that. He doesn't have a lot going for him. It's like, okay, you know what, let him, let him talk his shit, he'll be fine. And then when you realize the haters on Spotify doing the same thing, it's like they're all feeding the algorithm. And you notice these same haters never miss an episode, and it's like, fine, you know what cool good for y'all.

Yeah, like I said, bad, what do they say? All?

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

There you go, publicity, that's what you know. So I do notice it, and I do read your guys' comments too, you know, I'm trying to see what people are saying and where they're leaning towards. And yeah. So yeah, it's like I said, it's a blessing, you know, and it's a blessing for the for the viewers to comment. So make sure you guys are commenting on the show. It's really it assists the show. And I see sometimes you guys get like twenty five comments sometimes, which is amazing.

And man, yeah, even if most of those are from the same guy who's just commenting multiple times, it's fine. It's fine. You're still helping, so appreciate it for sure.

So it's been a heck of a year. Man. I think I'm on episode sixty nine. I just recorded of Sunday service and then Wednesday service. I think we're in the forties or something. I can't remember which one it is, but very good. Time is flying by it bro, Like I was trying to, I think I text message you one day, and then we ended up talking on the phone and I was telling you, yeah, I'm on fifty

Know, Well, that's those studies are a big thing, though. They are my mom has. My mom does the the yearly Bible Study thing yep, where she does like the breakdown. She did like a whole three hundred and sixty five days of breakdown with her church, and they did all this stuff and they I mean she she's probably read the Bible, honestly, and just in the last like ten years, probably like seven times all the way through it broke it down over and over again.

And that's the thing.

There's so many different types of Bible studies out there, there are so many content creators who are doing that.

However, what I have learned, it's the same as like a JFK episode.

Just because there's one thousand JFK episodes, we haven't done a JFK episode, and the people want to hear our take on it. Some of it might echo the same as all the others, some of it might be a bit nuanced, and those the differences that make the content

Brother.

Yeah, it's all glory to God, you know. So, and it is two hour Bible studies, so that is that's the part that I'm like I used to I used to think, like, man, how's people going to sit there and listen to two hours with me doing a Bible study? And it's been working out so and two hours goes by fast, and I thought like, man, two hours. Usually the pastors only do one hour, you know, so how am I going to break down two hours? But it's been working out. So it's been a blessing for sure.

And you're also a pastor, you know.

No, I'm not a pastor, Nope, I'm just a regular guy. I thought you love the Bible.

That show thought she was a pastor at your church or maybe like an affiliate pastor or something like that.

But okay, yeah, that'd be awesome.

I honestly now I feel like I could do it, you know. And if I'm doing a one hour Bible study on stage, I'd be like, that's no problem. You know, I'm doing two here, so yeah, it'd be actually easier. So but yeah, thank you for your Thank you guys for your service to both you guys and marine vets. I was. I was a National Guard, so I deployed as well. And what a blessing?

Where'd you deploy to?

I went to Kuwait. I was feeling helicopters. So I was a ninety two Whiskey ninety two Fox. The ninet two Whiskey is a water chiatment operator and the ninety two Fox is a fueler. So I did aviation fuel.

So okay, Well you went from water to fuel.

Yeah, I did, because those moss actually are are they work hand in hand? Because you know, you're opening valves, turning valves. You have to sample the fuel, just like you have to sample water.

Gotcha? Okay?

Well together? Oh really awesome? Yeah, awesome. Let's go.

So you are in Cali, correct?

Yeah? So southern California?

Okay, And how's everything in that neck of the woods, brother, Because man, depending on the week, it seems like CALLI might be calming down.

Then it's like never mind, Newsome's on one again. Here we go.

Yeah. So politically, I'm honestly, I'm I've studied so many conspiracies that I just know that they're just gonna do their thing, you know what I mean, I'm just all I'm gonna do is stand strong in the Lord and do my best to uh to spread the Gospel. And I and I just you know, I see the things that are going on. I see the agendas, and we could read it, you know, and uh, it's kind of like a light version of modern day Sodomgamora Basy, you know,

So yeah, no doubt, and I agree.

I've I've had multiple people say that we're in Satan's little season, and I don't I'm not shitting on these people, respectfully, I disagree because certain signs have not come to pass, and then certain signs that they say have obviously passed. It's like you got to you gotta really squint and turn your head to the side to see it that way.

But like, okay, everybody's got their take.

Now let me ask you earlier that we are now in twenty twenty six, so let me make sure I clarify this September of twenty twenty five, there was this big thing that was going on in the socials to say that we were about to experience the rapture because TikTok said, so what did you see on your end as far as that was concerned.

Yeah, people were saying that, Yeah, I see that. But there's been a lot of that, you know, like throughout at the times you're gonna see. There was even an author that said he wrote a book for twenty twelve, and then he wrote another book for twenty thirteen, and I think people were just we never know the day in the day of the hour, and we don't even know if there's going to be a rapture period. You know, I think that there is a rapture, but I think it's going to be It's either going to be like

That shit scared me as a child because I grew up in the church and left when I was sixteen, and that shit, I hated revelations.

I never have enjoyed that.

I've always loved it.

No, I was terrified as a kid with it, and I was like, no, I'm good.

So have you ever heard the name Perry Stone? Perry Stone is a pastor who was big, big, big with eschatology and just in Time prophecy in general, and in the early two thousands he was making his rounds around churches. He did many documentaries and books on the subject. He came to our church multiple time time to like give talks about these things.

And then of course he came.

To the South.

Yes, we have literally a church on every freaking corner down here, like between the churches, the car washes, the dollar General or the dollar trees, hey and go down, and the gas stations. Like I've never been to any place in the in the country that has this many of the same things on every flipping corner. Like if you don't hit ten churches in a one mile radius, I don't know what.

You're talking about, but you notice they're all different denominations.

My god, it's so ridiculous. Your church is Catholic church.

Yeah.

Mine is like I could probably throw a baseball like five times and hit my church. But yeah, but there's only like two Catholic churches in our parish, and those were like that was the thing. No, no, no, like fifty years ago there would have been that many Catholic churches on every corner.

Yeah, there's a lot of churches of all sorts of we have. We even have a Mormon church down the street too.

We have two.

Oh, we have one of Gonzalez and one by us, which is I didn't realize that the Mountain Jews are gaining traction in this area, but here we are, and you know they're they're God bless them.

We have a lot of things, temples, Buddhist temples.

I didn't know we have one Buddhist temple in a lot.

We have a lot of different types of I'm trying to like think we do have churches. We have a lot of different types of churches, but nowhere near the mount that this place has.

Well, like my organ's a big melting pot of so many different things. You got the people from Asia that made their way to America and some of them went north. You have all of the Oregon Trail and the manifest Destiny people that came from all over the world, so pretty much the specific Northwest.

We have a lot of jo Jehovah witnesses. Oh the speaking of the Jehovah's shitting on them. I'm just saying, well, they.

They are on their in time prophecy number six. I think because they keep saying that the rat's gonna happen, and they've been proven wrong every time, I think they're right now on their sixth date.

I mean, I feel like everybody has a different interpretation when the rapture will happen, even though there's different versions, until you just start talking about it.

I was like, but my mom has done a time.

She did like a three month thing breaking down revelations, and I was like, She's like, you should hear about this.

I was like, I'm good. I'm like, no, I got terrified as a kid. I'm good.

Well, it's good to. It's good to and you know, kind of prepared to know, you know, it said depending like, there's just when you when you start breaking stuff down with a lot of different people, Like I said, there's just a lot of different views on this, you know,

You know, you have no lines on your lanes. Brother, you could swerve all over.

The road, especially on this show. Oh yeah, I can go all over the place. So it's a blessing, you know. And I think that's people like that raw cut, you know, Bible study, compared to someone that has somebody kind of trying to make them strict in a certain lane. You know. That's that's what I think. That's why Biblical cosmology and you know that the giants and certain things that pastors kind of stay away from talking about. They don't like

And the other thing is it it and me and you have even we've debated the flat earth narrative for the record, right, and there's so many Christians that would debate the giant narrative and they they are Christians, but they just don't believe the giants happened. I even personally know Christians that don't believe Noah's flood actually happened.

That it's one of those kind of myths that got debated people on it, right.

And and maybe it was a localized flood, maybe it wasn't the whole world. It's you know, yeah.

That's a weird concept that I mean, even but the flood has been like storied around everybody, Like it's not just Christians that talk about the flood.

True, but the timelines are always different. So if you look at because Moses is the one that wrote down the first five books, right the Torah the Good where they talk about it, and he wasn't alive for the flood. It happened thousand years before him, and so it's and that's what used to be passed down in oral tradition before they actually wrote it down. So like how far back does that oral tradition go? Some people believe the

And like the Bible is full of everybody writing down stories.

Yes, but then there's a lot of historical fact checks that could be done for pretty much all of it. But especially when you get to the earlier books, like specifically Genesis, so many of these things don't have time stamps that you're able to see like, oh, in this country, this dude was like okay, Babylon, everybody. When we're talking about like Nebekinezer in the Book of Daniel, we have of actual fact checked historical documentation to say he ruled

Well, I thought that people were getting raptured and the rest of us were screwed for like seven years.

That is what a lot of mainstream narratives will tell you in America, And I would argue that's probably the most going narrative around the world. And the reason why is because the theory is that God will take his people up and then pretty much let the Heathens just eat themselves alive for seven years.

And it's a whole thing.

Why would God allow his people to be there for the trials and tribulations all of this, And it's like, y'all understand, God let his people be enslaved multiple times throughout history. So like, who's to say one way or another? And it depends on how you interpret it and how

We know what they used to be, we have no idea what they are now.

And it's like, I don't want to leave people astray, and I don't want to make people start all of a sudden having side eye glances towards Nigeria when that's not even the spot. And it's like, you see what I'm saying. It's so I shut that one down. It's like, you know what, I'm going to get back into that one day when I have more time to dive into the Word and look at the prophecies a little bit more.

And so for you to say that you're going into Daniel and revelationships.

I'm trying to go through the whole entire Bible. So once I get there, I think it's but like with the Book of Genesis, for me, the way I look at it is, you know, and in numbers twelve versus fourth three, it talks about Moses speaking to God face to face. That's what God says to Aaron and Merriam. He basically takes them Aaron and Mariam. We are kind of getting jealous, like who's Moses, because that's that's Moses, is their brother, right, So they're like, why do you

Right, it is.

And I mean, I'm not even saying that my show talking about that war in particular was going to lead people astray. But at the same time, I realized that this is going to start a chain of events and I'm going to start diving into other biblical stories.

I'm going to start diving into other things.

I need to be way more well read and more educated on these topics, just on myself, not getting other people's hot takes, but just I need to have my time with the word before I start trying to present it to other people.

And so I was like, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna.

Sholve prophecy playbook for now and perhaps in the future we will do it. That was I want to say, that was the first time that the Cult of Conspiracy tried having like side show. I think that was even before Jonathan started Meta Mystery.

It was.

It was, Yeah, it's the first side show. But I have a question for you, Josh, how old do you think that Earth? How old do you think the Earth is?

If you believe I'm a I'm a younger creationist. I believe that that it's a I would say, uh, anywhere between six thousand and sixty six hundred years, That's.

What I believe, Like not just written history, were talking about the actual Earth itself, the Earth.

Itself, because if he goes off of Genesis, it wouldn't make any sense. Well, I mean not necessarily, Genesis is young in creation verse, how old things particularly are here if you believe in science.

Here's here's one way that that some people would put it. Some people would put it like Adam, like wasn't born as a baby, right, So it's not like God made Adam a baby and then God was you know, breastfeeding him and doing all this stuff to make him. He basically created him. So what other what other people would say is the first six days of Genesis is actually periods of time and their ages. That's what they would say, right.

Uh.

And it actually says it in Exodus that God created it in six literal days, right. It also says like it also says in Genesis that you know, it was the evening and day were the first day. And I do believe that there's six literal days of creation. But like I said, there's what happens is some people get well educated, you know, and they get their PhD. And and then they learned that scientific side and then then

So I get that.

But again, and not trying to push back on you on here, but I also think that when we stand before God, I don't think he's actually gonna judge us based off of how he interpreted Genesis.

I don't think.

So that's the thing. It's not a salvation issue.

So if anything, I can't wait to get there and learn everything because I have so many questions.

But yeah, I have a lot of questions.

Bro.

Now have you heard of Doggarland?

Doggerland? No?

Okay, And I'm curious about your take on this because Raven Lee was actually on an archaeological dig site in Florida at one point in time, and they were finding remains of human settlements dating back to like Fucke ten thousand BC.

No, not ten thousand, ten thousand years ago.

Oh, excuse me, excuse me, Dogarland.

They have found signs of human civilization dating back to twelve thousand BC. And it is basically the land mass that connects Sweden and Finland to northern Europe that didn't used to be the not the Caspian Sea, let's see is that?

Oh my god?

But basically before the melting of the Ice Age and everything like that, that was a land bridge and there was a thriving settlement there. Then cut to the story of when the people came from Israel and made their way north into Europe, and there was a massive amount of human beings that were living in Europe that negates what our narrative was as far as the land could only support so many people, agriculture was only so advanced at the time, whatever, But they had thousands and thousands

So what goes through ice?

No, no, no, So we're talking about the northernmost part of Europe and they only they only trawled this area so often, and it's relatively shallow as far as the quote unquote see is concerned. Dudes pulled up a harpoon made out of some sort of a tusk and they're thinking, oh, this is cool. This is all whatever they did testing on it and found it was that oldere. So we're talking like the younger driest is what set Doggerland underwater. There's some argument to say that that might be Atlantis.

Ten thousand BC. Would actually it would be twelve thousand or something, right.

So I mean that's at least of human civilization.

I mean, Lucy, if you believe in evolution, Lucy is three point two million years old.

The Neanderthal ooh okay, side tangent, I've heard some people say that the Neanderthal might be the nephilo Your.

Thoughts, really, I've heard this the different types.

Because Lucy is relatively short, but like, how do we know that wasn't a midget need like.

Nephil I in my mind, and the Nephilum are very large. They're supposed to be very large individuals, like not because Lucy's small, but Lucy's intact. But she's not the only one that we have that predates that. I guess that's My biggest issue has always been with Genesis is that it doesn't make any sense logically to me how it lines up with science and like the Earth and everything.

That we know about it.

So I think it's on I think it's on purpose. And I'm not saying that scientists are going out just saying, hey, let's let's say it's three point two billionaires, so that way that you know the the Bible's wrong. But uh, if you take science with science says just just literally just about creation. So science would say that the stars came first three point six billion years ago, right. Then they would say that the sun came four point six billionaires ago. Then they would say that the Earth came

Right, So your take on Neanderthals is this nothing.

Neanderthals. I don't know. I'm not sure because I think that, like I said, just like Dravend was saying, I believe that they were large, larger, you know. But some people would say like that, that word doesn't mean giant. Some people would say that nepheline means you know, fallen or earth form. That's kind of what the term is. But but as you go through the Bible with with with nepheline, uh, it is they're talking about large people that are large

I don't believe the Neanderthals are nephilim.

I have heard the theory be proposed, and I think it's an interesting one to look at. It is, especially when you look at when they are talking about when they get to the Promised Land and they say that these dudes are giant. We are grasshoppers to them, right, And it's like, Okay, they're already being metaphoric with the language that they're using to describe how tall and small they are, like the Jews weren't or at that time the Hebrew were not actually the size of grasshoppery as

What do you think about those have you guys, I'm sure you have seen the theories about the different formations around the world that they believe are the those massive trees or they are giants that are sleeping and you've seen like the faces and stuff like that, do you believe those are actually real?

A hoole truth.

Because somebody, some people actually believe that almost like Jack and the beanstalk situation, where these trees were massive and that potentially another dimension is above us, i e. Where the giants went, or the nephilum and stuff like that.

It's interesting. I've seen a lot of information on that, and that's it's just it's like what they do is some people would try to relate that to the Bible too, because in the Book of Daniel it's said that these angels they cut the trees down or some sort of way, but those were like visions and not like literal So

If that makes sense now when you like Daniel, for instance, there's a lot of interpretation within that book. There's also a lot of historical references that are made in that book. Me and my kids we have a little Bible study book that we go through. We're currently in the Book of Daniel. Literally last night we read the story about nebukanz Are acting like an animal and all these things.

And they're like, wait what, And then they have to.

Go back and fact check themselves, and it's like, listen, I'm not I'm not trying to be that guy, but I will say, like, history is my shit, so you got to do your homework if you're gonna try to

Well, some of it is. Uh, it's hard because some people believe that certain things are nations, you know, so like let's say there's certain there's certain words where they're like this is this is not an actual beast, this is going to be a nation, or this is a beast with.

Seven heads, yeah, yeah, kings.

Or there's just different ways. If that's that's why I said, I want to I want to just take it and just read it myself and just pray to God and say, Lord, show me what you want me to, you know, want to show me, and then I want to do it myself before I give a breakdown, because what happens is, like I said, like a pastor will tell you, well, these seven heads are seven kings, right, so then you

So the vitical law is something that is the basis for arguably Western civilization, and not all of it needs to be applied. I understand that, Like, for instance, I love bacon, so like cool, I don't. I don't get down with the laws of how we're not supposed to do that or basically the thing.

I know, I know that's.

Fine, but everybody knows that I do be getting down with pork.

It's not a hot take, you know.

But when you also look at their laws that they had as far as hygiene is concerned, that's something that the rest of the world took a good long while to catch up on and or or why they would wear certain clothing or why they would do certain things. And at the time it seemed really ridiculous. You're just making more rules for yourself. But cut to a thousand years later, it's like, oh, y'all were getting hooked up

Yeah, I was just like, uh, I felt like that. I was like, is this going to be dry? But it's like I think as you just go through, the people would just follow. They're just followed along. I just told him, hey, just bear with me. We're just gonna go through the best we can. And the people were just like, no, it's fine, it's it's just do your thing.

The worst to it names, Oh my god, especially for something modern times like oh yeah Ukrainian homeboy bor yep, yeah, no guy, It's like, yo, I'm not even trying homeboy from point A and homeboy from point B they're beefing.

It's just where I can never pronounce any names. I'm just like, you know that person, that one with the face, that guy.

Yes, yes, there's a whole lineage. I was trying to read through it and I was like, I can't pronounce it. But I was just doing my best, you know, and people are they're they're very They give me a lot of grace, I'll put it that way, which is a blessing.

I use the YouTube how to Say Stuff, Oh perfect, because like you can like.

Put it in and it will tell you exactly how to say it.

Yeah, But even then half the time I can't pronounce it.

I know.

Sometimes I'm it's like I don't roll my rs.

My mouth doesn't make that noise, Like okay, sure that dude.

But I did have a question. Do you believe in? Do you?

I guess I wouldn't know if I don't know if this is in the Bible or not, because it's been a long time, But is Pangaea believed in the Bible. Pangea is the land formations where everything was together. I didn't know, if you know, some people actually don't know what it is.

I've spoken of, but some people will take excerpts from it and say that might be what is being referenced.

Because I ye, so I was looking into Pangaea more and the different formations afterwards, and the different names. I actually didn't realize the different names I knew. Obviously pange is the big one that everyone knows, but they actually have every time the continents shifted, they have different names for the differently informs that were afterwards.

So yeah, so let's say like the flood, for example, Let's say it was Pangaea and it was together, you know, so that's why people would say that all the animals were able to come to the arc. So some people do use Pangaea as reasons why, you know, all the animals could come to Noah and certain things. Yeah, so

So, yeah, you're a biblical literalist, what is your take on Pangaea? Just speaking on behalf of Josh Day, he's saying, other people say you personally, what's your take?

Well, I know that during the flood it says the fountains of the Grade Deep were broken, so it could be possible, let's say that they were together and then the fountains of the Grade Deep were broken and it did cause the continents to shift. Now I don't uh

He's our resident Christian flat earthers.

Really.

Oh yeah, that's interesting.

The reason why is because I've gone over a whole show. You should watch that show, raven and season.

I had to go, yeah, I forget that. I forgot that you told me that he was a flat earther.

Okay, yeah, so so yeah, the Bible talks about a firmament and talks about it. So as far as like Pangaea and everything, I'm not I'm not sure. I'm kind of open to the idea. But I do believe that the fountains of the Great Deeper broken during the flood. It does say that, it says the windows of Heaven were open. So there's three separate events that happened during the flood. It's like it rained for forty days forty nights. What first happened, that is the founds of the Grade

I don't know, like the Marianna Trench potentially.

I mean like right, yeah, yeah, I mean I was just thinking like it could be logically like what potentially it could be.

Speaking of Marianna's trench. So I may not be a full on biblical literalist. I think there is some things that are because and we've talked about this too, right especial when we're talking about the Book of Genesis. How do you explain, as a father to your five year old where babies come from.

You don't give them the whole story. You don't lie to them either.

You give them a very very very g rated version of how things go down. Right, Daddy holds mommy really close, a baby grows and Mommy's tummy and that you didn't lie. You just left out all of the key details because this is a child. They have no context, no frame of reference. I believe a lot of things.

Uh you use.

Yeah. I get to like, well, you did birthing work and they were there.

For it, so they underst well, my kids, I've never actually well, now that my oldest is older, but I've never actually explained. They never asked me where babies came from. Never one time have they ever asked me. They've asked a million other questions. And then, oh my god, my one was younger, My oldest was younger. And this woman

And I was like, oh my god.

And this is like he was like six and I was like I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and she's like it's okay, and honesty.

He's like straight faced, like just staring her.

Down like mm mmmm, it's not getting cut out of you, like that is not how this works. And I was like stop it. Yet I was like, people, this is another way, but it was. It was so funny because he's like, no, this is this is the way. And they've actually been present for one of my closest friends births. They were they were actually there in the room during COVID because we couldn't.

Uh it was right after COVID.

It was like twenty twenty one, I think she was born and I was like, I have no one to watch my kids. And she's like, well, bring them, so here we all are and the staff was like, oh, well, we can't really have them in the room, so they had to like stand off to this side.

And my daughter was like, you're okay, You're doing great.

That cute.

It was really cute.

Over.

I had my first daughter I had in twenty nineteen before COVID hit, right, and then my second daughter I had during COVID, and they did a C section with my wife and they wouldn't allow me in the room. Oh my first daughter was born. I was allowed in the room, no album, but they just took my wife away and I'm like, wow, like this is this is crazy. They you know, because of COVID, they have all these restrictions on being in the ring. So oh, my goodness. Yeah,

So whenever we're talking about, like the biblical narratives on things, some of it I do believe is literal, and there they listed out to be literal. Some of it I believe is more of God giving divine revelation to Moses, but in a very dumb down way that the human brain can contemplate, because we cannot we can't conceive all of what God is.

Wait, we have like six million years. What if like the six days were million a million years each, and I've heard that narrative be said before, that would be more align, I guess, because it says that the day is like an eon, is like a day to God.

But whenever he told the human race here's what happened, He gave them days as a frame of reference.

What it was like six hundred million years that took time? Like that would be that would make more sense to me because then Pangeu it would make more sense in the sense in the biblical narrative for me, because Pangaea was three hundred and thirty five million years ago.

But then also, like he said, on day one, this happened, Day two, this happens. So now we're talking about how could the plants subsist without the sun?

I mean were created in universe, so like any people found a way, so like anything literally can happen at that point. If he is like all everything, then why does it need like there's microbes that are living on another planet?

So like yeah, true.

I mean if we really want to get like super technical about it, I mean, it would make sense to me if it was actually in like millions years or a billion years or something, because I mean time is time is non existence pretty much for something. If he is that old and that being, you know, why would it matter if it took a billion years to create it? How much energy did it did it take to create

So so that's kind of where I'm at with it, And it's not to try to blend science and religion. I kind of get down with that theory of like, Okay, so I think it's millions of years old. Human written history might only be so old. But I believe Moses got divinely inspired word from the source and wrote it down as he was told to write it down. But I don't believe that God has given us the entire picture. I think he gave us our Like I don't believe

The giant bastard down there.

I love Jacob. He's like, oh, this is not real, but it's not.

There is a giant dragon snake living in Marianna's trench.

Right now.

I am convinced of it beyond all, like to the point of arrogance, honestly.

But oh so yeah. So in Exodus twenty versus even it says, for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Right, So I see, I take Exodus because Moses is writing that. Also Moses wrote Genesis. And in Genesis it's what it is is it says in the very beginning God created the heavens and the earth, right, and then it says which the heavens is. There's three different heavens. First heaven is where

Hmmm, So what about aliens then I.

Think aliens is interesting take. But I don't think aliens would come from outer space. I think that if there, if.

They're well within the globe. So if they're within the globe, then are they, say the he.

Let's let's just say the heliocentric model is true. Now. I think that the only creation that we have is human beings, and we have fallen angels, demons, and the devil, and that's it for me. So if there's anything called an alien, I think that if you go to the Book of Ezekiel, you see that that that there's angels traveling with within a will, within a wheel. Right, So I think that there's all there is is those. That's

But that's the rest in costumes like on Halloween.

Well, they're just they're just fucking with us, like ha ha.

I mean it's very possible.

But at the same time, to a person who's not religious and they see a glowing orb, they would think that that's obviously aliens. But you're saying that that's actually a type of angelic being.

I think that it would be angelic, yes, And if you think about it, like aliens are you know, these these even fallen angels and demons and and things in the Bible, they have to stay. They have to stay. They have to follow God's rules as well. Right, they can't just uh, you know, a demon can't just come up to Raven and just enter her whenever it wants, like. It has to have a channel and it has to be accepted. Right, So there's different rules that they have

Well, yeah, go ahead, you have are me or her?

It would be you because you're me.

Because I was sitting here actually drawing out the globe in my I have like think about what.

You're like the globe's talking.

Flat keeping well, so yeah, no, I was sitting here like drawing it out in my head of like what it would look like, because I've seen it. I've seen different models of what it would look like. So you're talking about like it like this is us and then the firmament, and then above it is like the heavens.

Okay, So like the ground, the ground is is us right above us? Okay, and then yeah, so that's basically okay.

So I was right with okay, I had I had to visually see it in my mind because I was like, hmm, let me, let me be cause I've I've I've heard a lot of different theories. And like I've said before, I have friends that are flat Earthers, but different flavors of flat Earth.

There's many varieties, there's a lot. It's like a variety pack.

So I've heard different theories, but like, conceptually, I'm trying to think of it in my mind.

I'm like, is this like, uh, we just.

Watched Crumpus the other day, and so I was thinking about how he had all little snow globes sitting on his shelf.

I was like, is it like he has like a globe sitting.

On the shelf, and like here's one universe, here's another universe, like you know.

Has a collection of them.

We only know what he's told us, So like our universe might be like a snow globe on God's desk for lack of better words and making very euphimistic here, but bear with me. And meanwhile, he has this whole other universe that he built the most quad trillion years ago that we've never heard of, heard nothing about, but like that's another project of his. I believe the God that we worship is large enough to have way more things going on than he told us.

That's all the way he make us so feeble, though, what do you mean, Like, why are like our meat sacks are pretty destructible easily, Like you know, like you would think that you'd make them more.

Lasting, longer or less.

You know.

We see, we were we at one point, we did live hundreds and hundreds of years, and then humans screwed around and God was like, fine, nobody lives pasted one hundred and twenty because y'all can't figure.

It's meant to live. We're meant to live forever with God. And that's what's going to happen in Revelation at the end, is there's going to be a new heaven and new Earth where God is walking amongst the people and we are living forever. That's what the whole story is about. Is it starts out in the garden Adam and Eve where they're supposed to live with God and they're walking with God, speaking with God, and then all of a sudden, the Fall happens, and then now we become that feeble body,

Well that, I mean five years.

Even in some Marian texts they talk about a king living like thirty thousand years and way back when. Now there are some people that are like, no, that's not actual years.

But then for thousand years is past the creation theory.

I'm just hearing like they're saying that the year designation is because he was that important, he accomplished so much, it's as if he lived that long. And it's like, brother, you look, this dude says thirty thousand, his kid lived ten thousand, his kid lived a thousand. Like they got shorter and shorter as time goes on into what we would have as far as like historically backed written history. And it's like, no, that pretty much they were on the money as far as that goes with the flood

Oh.

I mean, they can redact anything, they can hide anything, they can change things, unless you're actually doing the work by your own hand.

I mean, evens the long neck. That's another example.

We thought for years little foot that that was a real dinosaur.

In my house, speaking of this is so stupid, but don't ask where my mind went there. I was driving and then like the sun's rising and a whole bunch of geese were out in this field, but from afar they look like baby long necks. Oh god, I actually took a picture and I was like, oh, my me. But I also really loved Jurassic Park, and so my brain was like, oh, dinosaurs.

Oh my god, even thought the long neck was a dinosaur for years and years and years, Yeah, only to discover that was made up. This woman took the skull of one thing, the neck of one thing, the body of another thing, glued together, and we have believed that for so long, and it's like, yeah, but that's history, that's archaeology, that's it's like, that's that was a fraud.

Yeah, you know, you said the sun was rising, So I think she's already thinking about flat Earth because the Earth is actually supposed to be moving and the sun's not rising in your in your model. So yeah, okay, so you were talking about alienen Yeah, let's read it.

I've had that talk with people too, when they're talking about the Prince of Persia. It's like, yes, the Persian Empire was a thing. The angel was not actually duking it out with the current seated prince of the Persian nation is.

A prince principality, right, And what happens is there was a seventy nations got divided in Deuteronomy, and God put a principality over each nation. Now, if you want to worship other gods, then he would have no problem putting a principality over that nation. You can have your other gods. But God was obviously over the Israelites. So what happens is it talks about spiritual host of wickedness in heavenly places, which is where we look up and see what we see.

Eliminated them, you know, Bigfoots maybe.

Yeah.

We've had multiple people say bigfoots are actually angelic entities, and we've had other people say no, no, these are obviously nephylimic entities, and it's like, okay, again, it's neither of which are a salvation issue.

So believe whatever you want to believe, go for it, you know.

But I did want to ask you this as we're talking about aliens and things. So three I Atlas just came through and all these things, and I had multiple people in my life say that they believe that this was an alien craft, and then other people saying these this is a demonic craft because like you said.

They don't believe even need a ship.

That's what I was gonna say.

So biblically speaking, they talk about the angels use chariots of fire at one point, Yes, why would an angel need a craft of any type to come down.

And do things? I don't think angels have wings, you know, you know, like like like all angels have wings, like they try to put in Hollywood.

Angels wings, seraphim wings. But then like there's the Ophium that are the the spinning eye types and those don't have wings, and so the levels.

So so yeah, that's what I mean. So yeah, when you when when Elisha not Elijah, but Elisha was okay, so he's he's right there, there's there's there's a Syrian army that are coming to attack and try to kill him because he he gave some uh some information out about the king. So that so that the Israel king knew before they attacked that they knew something. So it's like, I want to attack Elisha. So so basically what happened is Elishah his his prophet that's next to him was like, hey,

So it's interesting and I don't I don't know.

I don't many versions of angels? Are there?

Nine?

Well, I'm correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe seven. It's been a minute since I looked into the angelics and things like that, But there's seraphim cherifim Ophium.

The arcs angels. Dang it, there was a couple more. I looked into this.

I thought there was only like two or three. I also haven't studied the Bible in a long time.

But then, and that's the other thing too, So angels, I am of the belief have the ability to shape shift.

I'm not saying that they all do.

I'm saying that if God gave them a mission and for that mission, they because they're they're the they're the servants. They do the things for God on earth, right, and I think that if one of them had to appear in a certain manner, he'd be able to do so. But there are others that, like the spinning circles with the eyes and stuff. Those are basically the guards to the throne of Jesus or of God, I should say, And so they kind of only operate in that realm.

So they were they were just like men. And actually in that story in the beginning it says that there's three men that approached Abraham. It said, the Lord appeared to Abraham and then they looked like three men. And so the Lord, even God, looked like a man at that time when he approached Abraham, and Abraham was basically having a one on one with the Lord. Right, which is which is God? I believe it's well that portion is not going to be important for this. But the

But oh no, no, I've heard a good bit about this before. No, you're good, I've listened to this before.

So I was just and that was the point I was trying to make. You said, you're interrupting. No, no, I was going to say. So many people have asked, well.

How would angels why do they have sexual organs if they didn't have sex in heaven?

What is this about?

And it's like, yeah, well, why do they have stomachs If they're going to sit and eat with lots? It doesn't matter to the purpose and to the to the mission set. They are able to shift and do what they need to do to get the job done. So yeah, I agree with that.

It made more sense to me that they could be able to look like us, considering our brains are so feeble compared to everything else, and we are so fearsome, like we fear so many things that we wouldn't understand. If something else that didn't look like us was coming at us, we would not approach it or not greet it with open arms.

We would be so terrified.

So obviously we're like tiny little babies, and I kind of feel bad for them, honestly, if they're having to take care of us this whole time, bro, I'd be so pissed. I'd be like, why do I have to take care of these little infant idiots down here all the time.

That's the worst part.

Because God loves us more than his angels, I would feel sometimes falling out.

I'm not going to say that I don't blame them, because I would feel some type of way if, like my father, my creator, love these idiot ass people more than he loved us, Like, I would feel some type of way why, Because.

They're so like they're divine.

They're like they serve their divine purpose and humans are trying to serve hours. But that's like the supply guys hating the logistics guys. It's like, yo, y'all are both doing y'all's jobs.

Yeah, but that you're talking about like an infant versus somebody that is extremely smart and has done so many things for a millennia.

Pers these little.

Creatures that you're like, why do I have to hold their hand and take care of them?

They don't have souls, They don't have a timeline. They die, he die at a certain point. They don't like, at least our fleshly bodies die are soul.

But my point is, does it say in the Bible they don't have souls?

But not necessarily. My point is though it's like, uh, you've seen Troy.

I've seen Troy yet?

Right?

Okay, So you remember when Achilles is explaining his self to oh, what's the name of the cousin? And she thought he was a dumb brute And he's like, do you know why the gods are so jealous of us? Is because every day is more beautiful because we have a time stamp.

Every day is worth so much more to us.

To God's time means nothing today is literally the same as it was a million years ago.

What if the angels have souls though.

But they are timeless, is my point. They don't have they don't get the gift of life that we get. So for them, they're doing their job, but they're also timeless beings that are always going to do your job. In two million years, that angel will still be performing whatever his function is.

For us feel some type of way. I mean, unless they don't have feelings in the sense of like having any type of corrupted feelings like.

We do, well a third of them did at one point.

They have free I think they have free will. Yeah, I think they do have free will. And the interesting part is they would probably like to be in our position, and we are trying to fight to get to their position. And that's what the interesting part is about Genesis six is they had the heavenly body that we are trying to achieve, and they're with God and they're able to do that, and then they shed that body to come down and be able to be in our role and to be able to have sex with human women. So

We just went to DC a couple couple of months ago, actually, we went to Philly, and I was explaining to her what an all is as far as for Masonic Lord, it's literally a dick. It's it's a statue of a dick, and it's that that's how it goes, and it's I don't think that's what the Egyptians.

Were basing it off of, but it's it's definitely what it became.

Well, you know, his uh Osiris supposedly his uh member got cut into pieces and then she put it is it Osiris, and then Isis put it back together, and then she got pregnant and then had Horus. Okay, so there's something to that obelisk. It is that it's a fallus. That's what it is. And there's there's also a fallus in the center of Rome. You have that giant fallus there. Then you have the city of London. Then you have the city of New York. Then you have the one

Yeah, I think Trump pretty much. So many people had such high hopes for him when he got re elected. I myself was one of them. And you know, for a few months there, it looked like, yeah, Dad's back in the house. It's gonna be cool. And then boyle boy, did things just take a massive downtick And they have not checked out yet.

I mean, I've said it a million times and I will always stand by this, that you don't get to a certain level of wealth or in the certain groups that you are without doing some heinous shit. Yeah, and that goes like across the board for every single person that is like the elite and above. I don't I particularly don't believe that there is any way. And even though I love a lot of the people and I follow people that have a lot of wealth that do

So I mean, I've met billionaires that you wouldn't know their name if I told you. But that's because they started a business from the ground up. It was intech. They got to a level, they sold it off. But they're not, to your point, in a position of influence or power. Yeah they have wealth that yeah.

Wealth is different.

I'm talking about like when you're an influential role where you're somehow influencing either the market, you're influencing people. You're in the background influencing say vaccine, like the Prince of vaccines, Like nobody really knows him and noone's out going and talking about him. But if you actually look up their family and how they've been controlling vaccines and what they have their hands in, and who they're associated with and where they get their wealth from. These are people that

Actually a basketball.

Player with the Blazers was started up a maid service and I ended up getting in contact.

It was a long story how that happened.

But I started cleaning homes for the millionaires up there. Really interesting to be around that level of wealth when I mean I didn't come from like abject poverty, but to see the vast difference in the mindset when it comes to money and just it was it was very different.

It's a different caliber altogether.

I mean, the they it didn't.

He didn't blink an eye at spending five hundred k on this god awful painting. And then I made the mistaken.

About all of this stuff. And I just remember listening to it.

And back then you're talking, I was seventeen eighteen, and so I didn't really care about the politics of things. I didn't really care about what I was hearing. But looking back, it was fascinating how even on their scale, because you got to understand, they're still low on the pecking order. You're talking millionaires, not billionaires, so they're low

He's actually Arabic.

And this all and now makes sense. I'm gonna be honest with him.

It was. It was really interesting.

I had had conversations with him, and obviously I was young, and he just was like, you don't understand the world, because he was like in his early forties, and he's like, you don't understand how money works and how money corrupts people and what the world is really like. And I didn't really I didn't really like pay much mind to it.

And I was like, yes, yeah, I do, like really do.

I was like, you could literally go down to the art museum, down a couple of blocks and go buy yourself an actual piece of like Renaissance painting, like you have the money to do this.

Next day he sold the painting.

Wow, m hmm.

It was nothing to him, it was nothing.

It was cheap money.

He was just like five hundred and k whatever and he went and bought He actually did.

End up buying some really beautiful artwork.

But that's also how the wealthy elite hide their money, because when you buy art, that's a tax right off, and then when you sell it that's a whole other ride off.

You had those really expensive.

Eggs, oh, the Faberge eggs.

So but he had like these ones that were one of them alone was in this It was in a three case thing and it had like a special lock on the top, and it was it was worth like one point four million dollars. Yeah, honestly, I've never The other stuff he had in his house was way cooler than this stupid egg.

But this stupid egg was worth so much money. I actually had.

It was a four story house, and I had to clean every floor on my hands and knees with water. And because he had bamboo flooring and he refused to let me use anything else, it took me twelve hours to clean that entire house.

Why would you do bamboo when you have money like that?

He was. He liked the way it looked like you never heard of that marble dog like Nope, he liked the way it looked.

And the house was The house was gorgeous, and he consistently changed it up because he would entertain different people from around the world, which I thought was really interesting too. He would change the what he had out and what it looked like to fit whoever party, political, whatever it.

Was that he was entertaining.

Oh yeah, and it was.

It was a whole thing. And so that's where actually I had, like Don Perry on for the first time. He was like, oh, that's cheap shit, Like it's no big deal. You can keep He was like, you can have some and pop the bottle. And I was like, oh, you know, I'm over here, you know, working to be real, he I worked for like pennies on the dollar compared to what he could have paid me.

And but he was very nice and he gave.

Me lots of uh, like I got to try all sorts of different food from around the world. Is one girlfriend that he dated for a good bit was only like six years older than me, probably I could see it, and so like she would let me try on all her dresses, Like she was very sweet lady, and so like we were the same size. So I could try on like twenty five thousand dollars dresses that was like nothing to them, Oh my god, And I'm over.

Here like like I don't want to break or damage anything.

But it showed me a different perspective of how the wealthy live versus how the rest of us do, because they're in a whole different world.

The Bible does talk also in the Geneva Bible. I was talking about that versus in Ephesians and actually mentions that not just principalities or against powers, but against worldly governors, and actually says it in the Geneva Bible, so not just like talking about principalities, but also worldly governors, you know, so basically the government. Right, So it's really interesting stuff.

So I agree, And like you're talking about the principalities and we're talking about actual power, and wealth does equal power to a point point, but not always the case.

Right.

There are wealthy people out there who are rich beyond our imagination, who have no they don't want to get involved in no politics. They're trying to make generational wealth for their great grandchildren, and like that's their whole goal. But to your point, and to your point, Josh, absolute

And these politicians li too, you know, oh for sure.

When they catch you in a situation or they maybe the tempt you with some woman or they do this, and there's a lot of blackmail. Women are a seventeen year old or something like that and they catch you. There's blackmail and plus also the greed aspect. So you get yourself into a situation. But it's because you're pledging an oath to something. And once you pledge that oath, which the Bible speaks to not do pledge that oath, then you're held to that oath and heal to that standard.

It's it's definitely an interesting situation because not everyone was nice.

Not everyone was kind like it was, you know, and.

That some of the people treated the staff, I mean other and others like we were the scum of the earth for sure.

Like it wasn't all of them.

And he definitely did correct people when they treated us poorly. I will say he was a fantastic person to work for. But it was interesting to see how the dynamics worked, even with it within their class, because they treated each other sometimes poor, sometimes not.

Like it was.

You can tell the superficial ones, right. And that's the thing in LA. It's like social currency. It's not even like how much is in my bank account, but oh, I was partying with this person last weekend and two weeks ago I went to this person's party. And that's like a social currency that these people used as a status unto themselves.

And there is there is really really good millionaires that do a lot of good for people. I think I've always wondered if there's a threshold though, Like if you have this much money, then you get shifted to the next level. Do you get approached by somebody, do you get oh, they get.

Taped on the shoulder. It's I don't know if it's like five hundred million or what. But a certain point, when you have that much like income or that much assets, somebody comes knocks on your door and get it feels you out.

There's no way that doesn't happen.

I don't know, I don't know.

I mean, then you got all the bunkers that the you know, the elites are making all over the world and stuff like that, and they're buying into it. I don't know if you've ever seen like some of those movies where they have like the giant underground places where all the elites had to buy in. They had to pay like, you know, an obscene amount of money to get a ticket for it.

Mm hmm.

It says in the Book of Revelation too that the that the basically the high the higher ups of the elites, they're gonna be placing themselves in mountains and because they're hiding from Jesus when he returns, right, so interestings about it, you know. So yeah, that's kind of what we're seeing is is these elites are going to be trying to do that. You know, they're trying to get away from the you know, God's wrath, right, but they can't hide obviously it's not gonna happen.

Do you think that it's gonna like revelations is gonna happen within the next hundred years?

Ooh, good question, because man, I'm all over the belief we are on borrowed time already. I don't see us living to twenty fifty. Hell, I don't even know if we'll see twenty third. But I also understand that I have a weird opinion on things. So what's you're taking.

I mean, as you see, like the government is seeming like they're trying to either make it happen, like make prophecy happen, or a prophecy is just unfolding, or maybe that's the way it's gonna supposed to unfold. But you see that things that are heating up in certain areas like Israel and you know, and so certain things seem

Shout out to Gary Wayne.

Yeah, Yeah, shout out to Gary Wayne, Like his perspective is that they're trying to bring that about. And actually these families, these royal families are trying to they want their son to be that position, they want their son to be the anti Christ, you know, and and they're trying to you know, they keep trying to formulate everything to try to bring that about like they want it to happen, you know, and that could be the way that it does unfold, or maybe God just has a

You know, I feel you sense.

Now, let me ask you, because your opinion has shifted slightly over time. Do you believe the Antichrist is currently alive and walking the earth but may not know that he's the Antichrist just yet?

Yet? It could be And that's a very good point. And a lot of people want to place the Antichrists on different characters like Donald Trump or like but it just certain things start start looking a certain way and then it ends up not being true. You know. Like, for example, like Donald Trump could have been in that position because his son Jared Kushner was actually he's Jewish, right, and he's going over to Israel and trying to build

There's a lot of literary references that people make to where it's like, you gotta keep in mind, the Savior of the world was conceived when an angel whispered in Mary's ear. The devil is gonna do something similar to make the Antichrist happen, but he's probably gonna go for a little, uh, a little more carnal knowledge.

It is the devil after all.

And it's like, Okay, I could see, I could see where you would draw these comparisons. I don't actually know that. I don't know if it's gonna be a guy who is born of the right family and then one day gets possessed by the spirit of the Antichrist, or like you said, there's different versions of different variants of this. So you're not saying that you believe that, yes, the guy who is the Antichrist walking the earth.

You're saying that it's possible.

It is possible, of course, yeah, and it's possible. It depends on what your eschatology is. You know, Satan's Little Season people would say the Antichrist already came went, and that the next step would be like, you know, the war happening like against Israel and then God's sending fire from heaven. I mean, there's this, There's a bunch of different eschatologies out there. It just depends on what your take is, you know, And I'm honestly, I'm a little

Makes sense now. I feel you.

I'm of the belief that the Temple is going to be rebuilt a third time. And I understand that there's people the Stan Satan's Little Season crowd that will say that we are the temple, right, we are the body, our bodies are the Temple. We are the third Temple

That's fine.

But like he said, when you look at the political climate of the world and you look at what Israel has been trying to do, they got the red Heifer's They are currently training Cohen priests that are of the Levite bloodline to do the things to consecrate the ground, to rebuild the temple and do the sacrifices, and do all the things that hasn't happened in the last two thousand years of human history, and right now in our lifetime, we happen to be here and now when this is going down.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

Do you think it's just man men trying to force the hand of this and that like potentially it's going to not cause anything that you know, he's decided when it's going to happen, because it doesn't say like we'll never know the time, date and all that it does.

So what if what if they are just trying to i e. The elites or whatever are trying to push.

Forward this and it gets stopped or whatever happens because it's not the time.

So I hear you and I don't. I agree and disagree.

So are there political elites of the world that are absolutely trying to bring this up? About these ESCA I don't want to call them eschatologist because that's the study of the basically the doom crowd that like they want to bring on the end times? That group exists absolutely.

Why would they want that though? If they're the ruling class and they're ruling everything, why would they want to bring about the end time?

I think that they are being steered by principalities of darkness. I don't believe that they I don't think they see like you know what, I'm just four horsemen come about during the well during the breaking of the Seven Seals book of Revelation, which is, depending on your interpretations, might be after the rapture, it might be before.

Before the rapture at least, because I would argue that famine is already here if I was gonna because of the biggest famine that we're having right now. Sure, if I was to believe, I would say that famine has been here, that is here.

Correctly, We've had famines worse than this throughout the course of human history.

Technically Somalia is having one of the worst.

Sure, but that's a country.

Like there is actually multip countries that are involved in.

This, but it's not a worldwide famine.

True, true, all right, So the scariest part of Revelation for for everybody that's a helial centrist, should be the sixth Seal. Because of the sixth Seal, there's a giant earthquake and all the stars fall to the earth. So since we know that stars, we think that stars are bigger than our sun, then we should be worried about that more than famine, because uh yeah, from my from

I don't even think most I don't even think people would survive, just even like half the stuff. So there, how it would be seven years, like it.

Can be anybody that survives it pretty much.

People in the mountains get stars.

Are actually imagine if all the stars are actually angels and then they fall to the earth. So then that's a different point of view. That would be like a biblical cosmology point of view.

I don't remember this, but do you have to be baptized to be able to go to heaven? Because like in the church, the one church I grew up in, they were like, you ain't getting to heaven unless you're baptized, and like the whole church had to be baptized.

There's a there's a debate on this one because if you look at the guy on the cross next to Jesus, he made it to heaven and never got baptized. Right, But at the same time Jesus told people to get baptized, Paul told people to get baptized. It's not a it's not a catch point. But at the same time, it is something that you are supposed to do to show your outward expression of your faithfulness and devotion to God and to following his.

What if you're baptized and then walk away from the faith but not like fully so that work.

It's see, that's a whole other dogument.

So so like yeah, yeah, so what Jacob said is correct. So there's there's a thief on the cross and he I remember, he repents and then Jesus says, you will be with me in Paradise today. Right, So that's that's it trusting thing that happened, and I think it is an outward expression. And and what happens is some people would feel like, you know what, I can live my life however I want, as long as I get baptized.

And as far as those that walk away though, that's that's another thing too.

I don't believe that you can be unadopted.

So that's you feel like once saved always say it.

I feel like there's nuances and levels to it.

If I was going to oversimplify it, then yes, But at the same time, I don't believe, like, for instance, if you're somebody who gets saved like as an adult and like you are fully in the faith, not somebody who went to Bible services as a kid and the God baptized like as an adult past the age of ignorance. You made the decision to walk by faith cool, and then somewhere along the way you decide that you know what, actually, Satan's kind of cool. And I don't mean just like

It's very similar to the prodigal son.

Right, he went off and did everything wrong, and when the time came, his dad got up and ran to him and wasn't hearing about like you've done this, you've done this, Like I don't care. You're here now and you're my son. But that's the thing. He came back. He didn't die living in squalid right.

So I'm saying that story is he came back, and that's showing you that God God gives you grace, and then when you come back, He's gonna love you with open arms and even sometimes more love you more than the person that's walk with them their whole life, because you got the tastes and you got to taste that party life. You got to taste that drinking, that process to whatever you're involved in, you know, and then you came back to me. And that's why he's he loves you with open arms.

You know.

That's the prodigal son story. But there's things in the Bible that you can do to lose your salvation. For example, like if you do blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, that's something that you could lose your salvation. Also, if you get the mark of the Beast, it says that you were a race from the Book of Life. Yeah, so if you are saved your whole entire life and then you get tested for the Mark of the Beast and then you're like I'll take it, then then you know

Oh dude, this guy.

Even aside from podcasting, you know, I know dudes that they you know, found Christ later in life and they dive into the word and at that moment everything starts falling down around them in their life.

And it's like, I thought this was supposed to be good. Why is everything so hard?

It's like, oh, brother, no, God told you to carry a strap daily. He told you to put on your armor. He didn't tell you to do that to go be a gardener. He told you that because you're stepping into a warfare. You thought, like, real shit, you thought being a Christian was going to be easy. Oh no, no, everything's about to go wrong for you. And that's a sign that you're doing the right thing. And I know that sounds counterintuitive, but that is that's how this works.

Wants to bring you back no matter what he has to do. It like really lightly, it just tap you into, you know, compromising or putting you into a scenario. Sometimes you feel like a full spiritual attack. Sometimes you just get lightly tapped and you start compromising your faith and then you realize it and go, wow, what am I doing?

A question about that actually about what do you believe that alcohol is like a gateway into allowing like demonic Because I've heard this argument quite a bit that that it pretty much opens you up for demonic I guess entities, warfare or in question.

There's no question at all that I think that one hundred percent it does. Now, if you drink a glass of wine with your wife at night, right, and and then you guys relax together and you watch a movie and you have fun, that's that's different. But when you open yourself, the way you open yourself up is you start you start getting drunk. That's why the Bible says not to be a drunkard, because what happens is you

Sure, I heard that, and I don't know, and I think We've actually talked about this before the wedding situation.

Where Jesus turned water into wine. So okay, looking at the traditional translation, there is no differentiating between juice and wine in the Hebrew language. So I've heard some people say that Jesus turned the water into really fancy juice, and I'm like, big dog, this was a wedding party.

They actually drank more wine than they did water.

Well it was a lot weaker, yeah it is.

But they you know, they didn't really realize that they needed to drink more water than wine back in the day. I mean, they drink wine like NonStop pretty much everybody.

But to Josh's point, and I agree with you one hundred percent, I don't believe that it expressly tells you not to drink alcohol or not to consume certain things that, yes, if done to a further extent, can kill you. How you can drink water to the point of drowning on dry land, you can eat yourself to death, you can drink yourself to death. However, food is not bad, water is not bad. Wine is not bad. It says to

Don't go too crazy with it.

If you can feel yourself getting a little bit of a buzz, maybe put the glass down and maybe like that's that's where you chill, and that's that The problem a lot of people have that they're like, oh, I got a little buzz, Well we need to just ramp that buzz up.

Let's keep going.

And it's like, see we got We have to fight our human nature and keep ourselves accountable, and a lot of people are really really bad at that. No judgment from me for the record, I people know my struggles, but my point is that we it's okay to have a cocktail, right, It's okay to have a couple of beers with your buddies. It's okay to have a glass of wine. But like, every person's different. One glass of wine does not hit this person the same way hits this person. So it's a it's a case by case

And for ourselves.

Right, Like your kids are never gonna benefit from seeing you puking your guts up at night because you drink too much. That's never gonna be a good thing for them to look back and remember it's there. There's levels to this, yeah, because.

They're gonna tell them I don't want you to drink, and then they're like, well, you drink all the time, you know, so it's hard for you to to But also what I would say, you had a good point. Let me think what I was saying. Oh, if you talk to somebody that actually has had problems with alcohol, they will tell you that there is a strong, demonic hold that alcohol can have on you, and it is the worst. The reason why is because there's alcohol. You

I've spent many, many many years in uh in a in aa uh.

I have not myself.

My my father was a recovering drug addict and alcoholic, and he he would go decade without having a relapse, and then suddenly he would have a relapse and then he would struggle for you know a few years, and then you know, so we spend a lot of time doing that.

And I've been to you and then one of my.

Ex has actually had a lot of issues, and so I spent a lot of time in circles and doing you know, going and listening to people's stories. I find it really interesting because when a lot of people end up in AA, they end up turning towards some type of Abrahamic religion, depending on what it is.

Well, the twelve steps are based out of the.

Bible, yes, I do know that, and they even a lot of the churches actually host AA and NA things.

It is to break.

And so it's it's definitely a challenge when it comes to those type of things. I mean, hell, porn addiction, I think with I think that actually topples.

I think that is the most addictive thing on this planet. It's born.

I was literally just about to say, sin feels like freedom until you try to stop.

And that could be alcoholic, could be drugs could be whatever.

If I've had when I was like a heavy drinker, I had someone even presents to me like that. It's like, so you don't consue yourself an alcoholic And I'm like no, They're like, okay, go on drink, just just to do it, just to see because you're not an alcoholic and you don't need it. You just said so, so prove it to me. Just just go a month without a drink. That was so fucking hard for me, and I was like, Okay, perhaps perhaps Jacob has a problem, and perhaps Jacob needs

Go go a week without watching it.

Just just prove it to yourself whole week.

And it's like yo, sin feels like free, dumb until you try to stop, but then you realize what end of the dog leash you're currently attached to.

It takes a lot to stop any type of addiction. And it's not just you know, it could be all those things, but it's also there's people that have food addictions.

There's people that have gym addictions.

Like even when it's something that's so like inconspicuous, it's something you know, it's taking your time away from everything else.

Phone addiction is a huge thing, huge, huge. I mean, my god. People are so addicted to the phones.

And then as adults we're like, we're not addicted, but we carry that phone around like.

A leash everywhere we go. We won't forget the phone.

A lot of people have forgotten their kids in their cars, but they won't forget that cell phone.

Yeah, which is insane, it.

Is, that's so very true. So, yeah, we're coming up on almost where my kids are gonna come downstairs. I can hear them.

Yeah, yeah, they're like, yeah, they're waiting.

So well, Hey man, I love you guys. Man, I really appreciate you, Raven. It's it's very nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

And I know you guys are gonna do well, and thank you. Whether Jonathan comes back or not, I know that you guys will do great. And I hope that everything goes well for you guys, you know, and I appreciate everything, and thank you Jacob for even inviting me to do Bible studies in the first place, you know. And Jonathan, thank you if he listens to this, because man, what a what a crazy thing that it ended up just happening all the way till now, you know, and

You absolutely brother.

So Josh, for anybody who may not have heard of you and for some reason they're on the CULD to conspiracy, but don't listen to your Bible studies on the Sundays and Wednesdays, where can they find you? Plug the socials, Plug all of your things that you're doing, get the get all the shout outs.

Yeah. So Josh Monday Underscore podcast is my Instagram and then my show is Josh Monday Music and Podcast on YouTube, and then Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Podcast. You can kind of see it behind me, that's the sign. You'll see that on audio. So yeah, I'm doing I'm slowly releasing the Bible studies that I've been doing on could Conspiracy, and then I'm also releasing the interviews I'm doing here and there with other people, you know. So I'm still

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