#966- UFO's From 2003 And 1964 At Vadenburg Space Force Base

Oh red Tzar, Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to Night and Raven and you know, before we get into the seasonal episodes, and we'll be dropping here next week. You know, we've been talking a lot about so many different conspiracies. We have been doing a lot of deep dives. We've had a lot of great guests on here recently, and it's always good to go back to the roots,

Tons of bases all over there that I didn't even know existed. Like everybody that I got stationed in Georgia, I was like Georgia a marine. Yeah no, yeah, where in this little podunk base. He was a data marine and he got sent there for like the last I think a year and a half of his enlistment.

Okay, that checks, good old Chad. So but that's the thing for Marines. There's only so many bases that we could even get stationed at anime. It depends on your mos, depends on your job and things like that. If you're somebody associated with the Air Wing, there's a few big bases that you'll probably end up right me or mar Cherry Point. Yeh, fine, fair enough. But especially if you're trying to get some training in some specialized craft, you might find yourself at Air Force base or at some

Yeah, they have like a small little unit that's stationed there. That's like how he ended up there and I still was like you, Georgia. He loved it. It was really chill. It was like there was hardly I think there was like maybe twenty five of them. There was not hardly any.

That it was chill. You're a marine stationed at some army base, like man have some little podunk base. It's like, that's it's amazing.

I know, sounds great. I'm already ready for the festivities. If you can't tell by my appearance, Yeah, I'm ready for our Christmas episodes.

Oh, we have a whole list that we're going to be going down. We're starting off with Hanukah. We're going to talk about Kwanza. We're going to talk about some of the more obscure practices from around the world. We're going to be talking about how a lot of the Christmas traditions that people go on and on about are super pagan are actually super Christian that the Pagan's adopted. We're going to go into a wide variety of things.

It's going to be real that episode. We're just going to argue back and forth about a little bit. But it's it's fine.

I am not giving opinions. I am only going to be bringing historical documentation.

The argument is is there's two sides of that, so we shall see that. I am wearing my very festive ye motherfucker shirt with my little horrible little gingerbreads.

I just watch Diehard. Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's not Christmas until I see Hans Grouper fall to his death.

That's just saying. I mean, it is a traditional Christmas movie. I don't care what anyone says it is.

I just had this debate with my twelve year old, who, for the record, has never seen the movie, and he's like, why are you saying this is a Christmas movie, Chris A, it happens during Christmas. He's like, there's no Christmas music, and I'm like, that's the only music that's playing during the entire movie is Christmas music? As a matter of.

Fact, given it in the elevator, it's like the EPDPP, like the whole thing.

The driver he's listened. Yes, it's like rap Christmas music, but still Christmas. Nonetheless, the whole thing is a Christmas the whole thing.

I think they actually nominated it and it like it actually became a Christmas movie.

I don't know.

I don't know. For certain, but I know that National Lampoon Chevy Chase's movie is the number one movie right now in the country. Yes it is. I heard it on the radio and I was like, yes, for those that don't know, that is one of my top three, actually four favorite Christmas movies. All the Christmas is a fantastic Christmas movie. You are just only like one of the few people that don't like it. I don't like you don't like him, but the movie itself is fantastic.

And the brother in law who always plays the retard like he was in an Independence Day as the retard, I mean.

Uncle Eddie's awesome shitter's fault like. Look for our Christmas episode, I'm going to be using my little Moose mugs, my little Moose cups throughout the whole thing, like it's it's a vibe. It is my whole vibe. I also love White Christmas, traditional Grinch movie Diehard. Those are probably my top four favorites.

Ooh, my top four would be a Christmas Carol varying varieties for the record, not just the Jim Carrey version or whatever. But I do love the storyline of Charles Dickens and Christmas Carol. It is elf, and I understand if people hate Will Ferrell, then it's not your jam. I get it. I personally love it. I'm just gonna rope in all of the claymation Christmas movies.

Got about the clamations, Yeah, no, I love the clamations, clay Mations.

Wow, the Grinch, all versions, even the one with ben Atic cumber Patch. It wasn't my favorite, but I wasn't mad at it either. It was Okay, the original is the best, but the original is the best.

It's just my opinion though, because I love worskarl Off.

So yeah, the.

Original Mummy for those of who that don't know, for those for those of you, those of for those of who obviously guess I was in Whoville.

IM about to say you being a little Grincher.

I mean, to be fair, I have a Grinch doing a yoga pose behind.

Us, next to a Laboo boo dressed like a who.

Yes, I have Santa Claus. Like, there's Santa Claus and there's a little mini crumpasses. Yeah, so you know.

I'm fest fuck best of as the fuck.

I'm also, like you know, representing the gingerbread, not the gum drops.

I was gonna say, I'm surprised they don't have their legs broken off or something. They have bite stick bite.

Stick another, they have bites sticking another their heads. All right, it's all about the details everyone.

So, like I said, we are going to be getting into the holiday season next week, the entire week of Christmas. We're starting off with the Hanukah, and we're gonna work our way through all the good and the fun and the ugly and the crazy. So stay tuned for that. However, before we get into the face.

I actually don't know anything about VanderBurg.

I didn't either nothing. I had heard of the thing, right, and as you look up a list of some of the more prominent and documented UFO sightings and things, Vanderberg comes up. I didn't realize there was two reasons as.

To why why is that?

One involves a nuclear test that was done in nineteen sixty four that was ruined by a flying saucer that what that apparently went on record, and then the dude who tried to bring it to the public eye was shut down. They erased his military service record. He couldn't get seen by the vay.

They just were like, he never existed.

Basically, and then later he essentially got told you weren't here. As a matter of fact, I don't even know if you're in the Air Force. I think you need to be scored off the base right now. How crazy is that? Get the fuck out? They erased his name, said he had never served in the Air Force. He had to go and find his own documentation and video evidence of him on the site on the day wearing his rank to finally get acknowledged as a veteran of the United States Air Force.

That's insane.

But then cut to two thousand and three and we have another u sing at Vanderberg Air Force Base, which is now a Space Force pace. So good colt members.

Space Force base.

Yeah, because you know, when the Air Force split off and they made their yeah, space Force and Air Force and everything.

So I find it interesting that they've had UFO sidings there and then they chose that to be the Space Force. What's underneath the ground like cles, sure, yep, which we're gonna talk about good cult members, So buckle in, strap in, let's go.

We are going to talk about some of the more wild UFO and UAP conversations surrounding Vanderberg Space Force slash Air Force Bace. I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen at this time, and for any of the good Cult members, I would like to see what we are talking about rather than just hear about it. What you could do is go to patreon dot com slash Cult Conspiracy Podcast. That link is down in the show notes below. Over there, there's a few tiers for entry. The main

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So indeed, indeed, all right, so now let's start off this conversation with because as I was doing this research, Raven, you asked me how many UFO sightings happen around air force bases?

Yeah, because I mean, just doing this for you know, the month and a half or whatever I've been doing, We've talked about UFOs a good bit and there always seems to be around air force bases. So I'm like, how many actually happen just in America around these bases. I'm confused that, like why it's specifically these bases.

So, and a portion of that kind of ties into the skeptics of the UFOs, right, because.

That they're training or their planes are being trained, or pilots doing something, or what.

Your mental craft, right, like the big flying Dorito, the angry bomber, the angry Deria. Rather for years, people were all around the New Mexico desert saying that they saw this flying Dorito in this guy this triangle, and they were reporting as a UFO, and so the government would send out their people to go out there and take

It is actually pretty cool little aircraft, honest dope. I mean it's pretty badass. Look in the aircraft. I'm like, okay, yes, that's pretty awesome.

But that being said, there are more than a few unexplainable things, even by today's metrics. Like we're talking in the nineteen fifties and sixties, people were reporting the flying Dorito, and now we know what that bomber looks like. But some of these reports, even from way back in the sixties are still unexplainable even by today's standards. With all the undisclosed things, and we now know what these experimental craft were, what they looked like. Sometimes they have become

Wait, just from forty seven to sixty nine, twelve twelve thousand, six hundred.

Over twelve six Wow. Now that base said that timeframe is what we are talking about of these experimental crafts.

Well, I mean that ties in though with everyone you know, being like, well, how much actual how advance is the military versus what we actually know? Uh?

Yes, to that point. And I've had some people comment and be like, I don't think Jacob realizes how like he thinks the military is so far advanced. I really don't think it's that far advanced, y'all.

All they do every single day for decades is try to advance us as far and as fast as possible.

I want to.

I just I'm gonna put this into perspective for people, and y'all could take this and tell me to fuck off with it or not. Okay, our biggest adversaries on Earth right now just developed the technology to match what we had and threw away in nineteen sixty two.

That's okay, that's pretty crazy.

The nuclear powered bomb that China and Rush are touting is like this big advancement and whatever. We had that tech and threw it away in sixty two. Cut to the Russians came up with this response. It was supposed to be a helicopter that was supposed to be equivalent to our Blackhawks, and in nineteen eighty three one of them went down and our guys went in and extracted it to look at it and see what the Russians were really fucking with.

Taculia acquired it.

This was essentially duct taped together with hopes and dreams, and it was It looked big and bad. It had almost none of the same capabilities that we have. And you're thinking, well, that was so viet This is different. Now look at the tech that Russia has come out with in the last four years of this conflict in Ukraine. Yeah, you realize that it's still not even close to where we were in the nineteen eighty five time frame. So I'm sorry.

So they're decades behind us at best.

They're talking about their hypersonics and all these things, and by there they finished one.

It's because we took all the Nazi scientists.

Some of that is because of Nazi scientists, but also because capitalism is just in and of itself. When a bid goes out for hey, we need a machine that can do X, Y and Z, and we're going to go for the lowest bidder, but the highest competitor and all these things, we get a whole slew of companies that are willing to work with it and make it happen. Communistic states I keep China and Russia, they would go off of one of their boys who may or may

Name because you know, the Russians.

Because you're turning your back on your culture. But fuck your culture, you know, damn whatever. Anyway, whatever, Communism is the worst human existence experiment that's ever been conducted, honestly. But that's the talk for another day.

Sound was like, so they're behind decades behind us. Yes, so in forty seven to sixty nine, we're more advanced and had the little drido flying around potentially potentially and they just didn't they just release that though, like what eight years ago or something or they it came out like they showed photographs of it.

No, No, we were using that stealth bomber. Like there's even a.

Maybe it's a newer one that I'm thinking of.

There's a movie of Navy seals with your boy Kurt Russell where they flew in on one of those stealth bombers and connected to the bottom of a plane. In the eighties, that's fair, But in the forties and fifties and sixties that we weren't going to discuss our latest mriders.

This one, I'm thinking about the the newest one they released.

They keep coming out with new crash.

Every every year. I feel like it's something new.

But that's the other thing too. Even when we're talking about these air platforms like the F thirty five, and I've heard so many people argue about the F twenty two, or is the F twenty five or thirty five rather Okay, here's the deal. They're made for different purposes. If you go one v one the F thirty five versus the F twenty two, the F twenty two is going to

So yeah, I'm gonna be real with you. I don't know a bunch about the aircrafts, That's right. It's I feel like all men that I am friends with that I know that we're in the military are like super nerds when it comes to like weapons and aircrafts. It's like it's like a requirement or something.

It's a thing.

It's like a man thing that's just like man, these are so cool. But then it draws me back to like little kids playing with like you know, the tanks and all the different things, and I was like.

We're all just still big kids at one point where we're all kids playing army in the woods.

And then I had I had the whole you remember the little plastic map of your g I. Joe's and you had like the different elevation levels on the map, and you had like the river running through. I was super about my g I. Joe's like hardcore. I had like whole campaign battles that would happen, and I would like base them off of like different movies my dad was watching because my dad was a massive western and

Was a whole thing, say the whole thing for years, but it was probably too long, Like I probably played with them way too like later in life than I should have, to be honest with you.

But when it comes to like aircrafts, I'm like, yep, I don't actually know, but I mean that kind of ties in me being a little bit afraid of you folks.

Oh the fair enough, fair enough. But my point is, though, America, if we're looking at our missile capabilities are flight capabilities, yes we are. I am being very generous when I say best case scenario fifty years ahead of our competition, worst case scenario for like thirty years. And it's not even it's not even like a real close debatable conversation. Okay, So that being said, some of these UFO and UAP sidings throughout the decades have been experimental craft. Okay, fine,

Yeah, but out of twelve six hundred and just that short amount of time, you're telling me every single one of them, Like, there's no way there's even in the best case we'll say we'll say ten thousand, six hundred of them were experimental. You're still looking at two thousand of them they are.

Like, that's what I'm saying. Statistically, even if twelve six we're talking about from forty seven to sixty nine, a little over twenty years. Okay, if one percent of those claims, which for the record usually is around three to five percent, that's unexplained. But let's just be very generous. One percent of that is actual UFOs they couldn't explain. Okay, we're still talking about over the course of twenty years, one hundred and twenty six give or take sightings explaining that, yeah,

I mean, it's just what I know. I found it interesting when you looked it up that it only talked about like it only brought up Project Blue Book. It didn't actually give you like more statistics about recent.

But kind of yes, kind of no. So let's go in even further here. Total sightings twelve six hundred and eighteen reported to Project blue Book right unidentified still to this day, seven hundred and one of the twelve.

Six seven hundred and one.

Like I said, we're being super generous, say one hundred and twenty six, it's actually a higher number than that, and these have never been understood, identified by any means, or at least what they'll allow us to know. Right. But now let's cut to specific base incidents because this will start the conversation for our episode today, good cult members. So we're talking about Vanderberg Air Force Base here, and at the time it was in fact an air force base,

Oh yeah, I thought we were done experimenting with nukes, so I thought we weren't launching them for any reason any longer.

Yes, So when we talk about Vanderberg, there's two occurrences that typically come up when we're talking about the UFO and UAP conversation. One dates back to nineteen sixty four, and it was a test launch of a nuclear rocket.

Yeah, they were still doing that.

Now two thousand and three. The launch site is still there, the underground silos with nukes ready to go off just in case somebody gets squirrely kind of thing. Yeah, but the events that took place didn't necessarily have to do with the nukes, Like they weren't testing them. They weren't

Well, my reading is, oh no, but it did actually say sixty eight in the top part and it's highlighted dated sixty eight, and then it starts off with nineteen sixty four sole incident.

So nineteen forty four missile incident in September of nineteen sixty four. A former first Lieutenant Robert Jacobs put a pin in that name because we're going to hear from the man. The myth legend himself later in this episode, claimed his film crew recorded a saucer shaped object flying around a test Atlas missile's warhead during a launch test and firing a beam of light at it before the

And Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like firing beams of light. I was like, do we even have that capability quote unquote so.

Oh no no, And the video shows if you count the frames, we're talking about it traveling legitimate mock fuck Like it's not oh, this was going hundreds of feet per second. No, we're talking about like, we don't have the materials that could go that fast.

Uh.

What was that other episode you me and Jonathan did about the sightings where they had like the slant the it's a really famous one we were talking about, and they had the ones that went really really fast and they couldn't they couldn't keep track of it, and they like it like zoomed off and then came back and then slowed down and stopped and then boom boom back again. I forget. There's so many damn UFO sightings that it's like you can't even keep up.

But that's my point, the best we can do. And talking about the stealth aircraft again, if you look at how those stealth aircraft are made, they're built from titanium because when you're going that fast, you're literally fighting against the friction of the air molecules that it is cutting through, and that thing gets hot as fuck and you can't use ceramics for that, so they had to use titanium.

I actually didn't know that it's really fascinating.

It's fucking mind blowing.

I don't know how they figure that out, honestly.

It's actually crazy if you look at how we got the titanium, because we had to get it from Soviet Rush at the time, because they're the only ones that were doing titanium forging, and we told them that we were making some really really specific pizza ovens, and that's how they sold what. I shit you, we actually made to do an episode on that one.

Yo.

Yeah, I don't even I don't know a lot about it, to be honest with you, So that'd be fascinating, Medica.

Why do you need forty tons of this specific titanium? We are building a really crazy experimental line of pizza. Yeah, fo titanium.

Yeah, it's New York and Chicago be where it's at, dude, cut to.

We now have one of the most insane stealth fighters stealth bombers to ever exist. That again, no other country on Earth is even based.

Off of a UFO that they actually got and they were trying to replicate that technology.

The one I'm talking about is one of the hard angles. It looks like a minecraft.

Plane almost, you know, that's what I'm talking about.

That I don't think was replicated off of alien tech because if you look at a lot of the alien crafts, they are super smooth. There's very few hard angles on that that was built specifically to fight the certain radar systems that were being used during that day and age, because radar systems are looking for a smooth surface and then it could bounce back and it takes that reading

I don't know. I'm just it's I wonder how many different aircrafts they've actually obtained from UFOs, different types and different I mean, if we're arguing that there's different type of aliens, and I wonder how many different types of crafts they have.

We're gonna hear from a guy later that says where it's over seventy known species of aliens.

Of course, the fucking all.

And we only have made deals with like five.

Man, can we just get a nice one?

Can we just get like a they're real like, according to the guy we're gonna hear later, there are some that are more kind they're not here to help humanity, but they're also not here to hurt us. They're just kind of chilling. They're doing their thing, you know, and if they give us some tech and it helps us out, then gucci. But like that's not the whole reason they made the trip to Earth. And there's the other types

Of course.

Of course, anyway, we're gonna talk about that one. But let's start off with the two thousand and three siding. An Air Force veteran and former Navy pilot testified to a Congressional panel about multiple UAP incidents between two thousand and three and two thousand and five. The most prominent was the sighting of a quote, very large, one hundred yards sided red square that hovered silently over a launch facility

Cube, a gelatinous cube, possibly fucking gelatinous cubes. Those that haven't ever seen onward would not understand. It's a kid's movie. It's fantastic yo, and he's like, who's a gelatinos cube?

Bro?

And also if you played Minecraft, you know what that's talking about. That them things suck.

Yes, they just they eat everything. They're like an acid filled cube that like destroy all life.

In Minecraft, when you the ones that start off are super huge, and you break that down breaks off into three smaller ones, and you have to kill all those, and those break off in the three small ones. There's like four levels of cubes you have to kill before you can finally be done with it. It's a pain in the ass.

It reminds you of The Blob. Yeah, the movie The Blob. Those that haven't seen it way back in the day.

But anyway, so it hovered silently over a launch facility before darting off. Security guards reported other more aggressive, fast moving objects later that evening. So okay, but further adode, Let's get into the backstory of Vanderberg Space Force space because.

I just don't know a bunch about Space Space Force. To be honest with you.

They are the super nerds of the military, and I'm gonna be honest, on some scale, I am jealous of them.

Low key. I would totally want to join this group.

You've seen their uniforms, right.

No, I actually have no. I I've never seen them.

Oh, good cult members. We're going to explore this together, hold on space.

When I say I don't know a bunch about them, I'm just kind of like, I really don't know a bunch.

But okay, So I'm gonna be honest with you. The Space Force dress Blues are pretty pimp nasty. I am not saying. I'm not saying they're equal to the Marine Corps. For obvious reasons, they will never did this.

They remind me of a couple old movies.

But yeah, they're called guardians. Also, they're not Space Force sets. They are Space Force Guardians. The Army has soldiers. The Navy has said, I mean.

How can we join? Can we join? Are we too old?

They have specifics, they have specific jobs that we you might you might have a job set that they would be able to use. There is no place in the Space Force for a former grunt, come to find out. I am salty about that, because I was going to look into joining the Space Force reserves. You're telling me once a month I get to go to fucking space camp the fuck and get paid and try Carrie and I actually join.

I wonder if I'm too old though, like straight up.

So this is, as of now, the smallest branch of the United States Military. I think they have under twenty five thousand guardians.

So I guess my project. My project today is to see if I can join. I did hold a top secret clearance, so maybe as.

Did I, but yours was for more practical means. Yeah that's fair, But I don't know because they deal with a lot with the satellites, and you with your comed, actually have quite a.

Bit of knowledge when it comes to satellite So.

Stand by, everybody might be going Space Force.

And if I go Space Force, so I'm gonna be watched. So heavily because of this damn podcast.

Yeah, actually, Hindsight twenty twenty, you may not be able to join because affiliations.

I don't know everybody. If I have a way, I will let everyone know quietly aka the Internet.

But we had a Space Force major come on the show at one point and tell us, yeah, me and Jonathan had him two years ago. He was in charge of four hundred satellites himself, and then I mentioned that they were about to send him to specialized weapons training and I'm like, old fuck on, Major, what kind of special weapons training does the Space Force need with four hundred satellites? And he would not explain any bit of that.

He he was very the satellite people that worked with us. So we had two guys that came to us. So, actually, satellites is their own special MOS within Marine Corps in communications, and there's not a bunch of them, there's a whole well at the time. I don't know nowadays, but I don't want.

Marine talking of satellites. I get it.

So they had a ton but like I actually asked a ton of questions when it came to satellites because there's a lot to do with them and how they work, and how they orbit and how they like talk to each other, and like it's just it's a ton of information. So I'm curious. I love the uniform. What does that remind me of? There's a movie that star Trek Well, true, but there's there's a specific movie that reminds me of. I think it's a Kurt Russell movie. Actually, mm hmmmm,

Like all jokes aside and I understand or they are a product or the Year Force, but we're gonna shot on them for their own reasons.

You know what, bro that is today? Today is the day I'm going to look into potentially joining and said Space Force.

I don't see why not.

This is a great day, all right, tell me about this whole Vanderberg situation.

Yeah, yeah, So let's get into the history and heritage of Vanderberg Space Force Base. And they talk about space launch del to thirty. We're not going to get into that one, but anyway, so, Vanderberg Space Force Base currently contains ninety nine over ninety nine thousand acres of land.

That's massive, by the way. That is ninety nine thousand acres for a random Air Force space Force base. Yep, there's nothing under the ground, nothing to.

See here, but sixteen launch facilities. The installation provides a safe location for the testing of new and existing Department of War sanctioned programs, government and commercial launch and range services, as well as offers future spacelift and land based mission capabilities in support of the national defense strategy. Vanderberg was originally established as the Camp Cook US Army Garrison in

Cool.

So the installation was used for Army tank, infantry and artillery training during World War Two and again during the Korean War. In nineteen fifty seven, however, the installation property was transferred to the recently established US Air Force. It was soon transformed into the nation's West coast space and missile facility that it is now Vanderberg SFB Space Force Base.

Really understand how they fucked shit up so much like they consistently fuck sit up.

So I think, honestly, this is the same launch pad that has been used for every single Russian space operation since the beginning.

Of the Cold Yeah, well that makes sense that they haven't repaired it and they've been using the same spot over and over and over again. I could understand that, but I'm like, come on, man, how can you keep fucking shit up so much?

So it was two Russian cosmonauts and one American astronaut that was on the Shuttle when the launch pad sucked up. No, no, no, no, the launch was successful, but the thrust from the rockets fucked up the launch pad itself and it can't be used right now.

Oh okay, Well, I'm glad that they didn't die.

No, no, no, everybody's cool. Everybody made it to the ISS and it's all there. I know some people think space is faking gate. This beside the point we're talking about UFOs. So for this episode, good cult members, let's just assume that space is reel and planets are real and all these things.

But if you think space is faking gay but believe in you of foes.

They're demons. Obviously they're demons. Raven I mean, but or inter dimensional or time travelers.

To be fair, I do believe in multi dimensions, so that's the same, and I do believe that there's things down below us or potentially in Antarctica, But like, I don't. I don't quite understand the conversation about space being fakeing gay when like we can physically see it, but.

They think we're looking at the firmament and that the stars are just pinholes so we could breathe. Oh, I've tried. I've tried to out having so many conversations with flat earthers.

It's okay, I mean, if that's what they believe, like I'm totally here for it, But I just am kind of confused in the sense of there's so much evidence in we know that we there is multiple universes without with say we're even in a little globe or we have a flat Earth and the multi dimensions. Okay, I can get down with that. I can believe that, but it's still acknowledging though that there's like but there's still more up or at least below both Like I don't, I don't know.

I've had these conversations. I personally believe that interdimensional travel is very possible.

I think they already do it. I think that it's or at least we're almost there. If we haven't achieved it, I believe that it's like a cunt hair away from doing it.

But think about it like this, and I've tried, given this example, what if what we are calling air dimensional travel is what the alien races would call the interstate, Right, They're not tearing through fabric of time and space just to do things. They're doing it to jump from two black holes. Very well? Could be the.

Black holes make a lot more sense to me because of how time is time, like the one thing we know is completely different in three parts of it. Yeah, and it just I'm not like the most knowledgeable when it comes to all this. I'm definitely still learning. But just the little knowledge I do know, it doesn't make it makes sense to me that there is at least they're coming from outer space. They're coming from not all

I agree personally, But then there's that's the thing. If you get five not even flat earthers, if you get five different alien believers in a room, you get five different opinions on what they are. Again, some people believe, they don't believe in aliens, believe in angels, and demons absolutely believe that these are interdimensional beings.

A demons need spacecrafts to travel around.

I don't. I've asked this question because all accounts if.

We're talking, I'm not trying to shit on nobody. I'm just honestly, just like thoughts that are coming to my head, I'm just wondering, why would they need a spacecraft to travel around?

So per biblical sources, they don't need that. They pop in and out of our physical realm when they see fit, and that's always made sense to me. But they bring up a few examples of from the Old Testament, when Moses was getting his people out and across the Red Sea, these angels came down in chariots of fire. Well why do angels chariots? Well, okay, fine, but my point is, why did the angels need chariots of fire. If they

I mean, that makes sense to me, considering how chariots were and stuff. But I just don't quite understand some of the stuff that people think. But I mean, it doesn't bother me that this is their thought pattern. I think it's interesting that there's so many different theories when it is in pertaining two different alien UFOs, the sightings, who's here, who's actually not here, what they're gonna do?

Well, we're gonna hear about more of that later, right, So I think we may have made deals with three types, but there could be up to seventy, of course I don't know. But so anyway, cut into They built this base to be a response to Russia's space capabilities, which again is crazy to me because at the time, Kazakhstan was a part of the Soviet Union. Any country out there that has a stand in the name at one

Yeah, I've been there.

Twice, Kirkdistan. If I said Kurdistan's on a place, I wish it would be a place. But that's a geopolitical conversation for another night. But like Djibouti, we own land in Jibouti. We own land in Cuba, Guantanamo.

Bet I loved the names of places.

Yeah, Jibuti, Djibouti. That was the capital city of the nation, and the entire.

Country definitely named that.

That would be the French, believe it or not.

I'm just giving you.

Yeah, and those people are starving and they're all drug addicts. It's a whole thing. It's Africa. What do you expect Anyway, Beside the point, so continuing on here, this base in Vanderberg was built to be a response to the Soviet Union's abilities at the time, which is crazy to me. But moving on, Russia launched its first man made satellite, Sputnik, into low Earth orbit on the fourth of October nineteen fifty seven, which started the quote unquote space race between

That's an interesting title.

Americans for Safe Aerospace. What I didn't know that agency existed.

I didn't know that existed either, But now I'm kind of curious about it.

I'm sure it's one of those government nonprofits to be taken that momney. But anyway, beside the point, here he related accounts from Boeing contractors who reported witnessing a one hundred yard sighted red square UFO approaching the base from the ocean and hovering at low altitude over a launch facility. Now, before we continue here, the UFOs that most people en mass describe. We've heard of the flying tic TACs. Yes,

That big rectangle thing.

The rectangles are the outlier.

I've only honestly heard of a few just from you guys.

Actually, right, there are reports of these rectangles or squares or for lack of better words, gelatinous glowing cubes that are in the sky from time to time. That is the rarity as far as.

The weird like, that's a weird shape.

And a one hundred yard square at that and it says sighted too. So it's not like I want people to picture this if you've ever played Minecraft, the clouds what I.

Knew you were going to bring into Minecraft.

I'm trying to think of something that can make sense to people if you've ever played Minecraft and no, no, no, the size, Yes, I'm talking about like a cube, like, don't think of a floating square. I know there's going to be people that are saying that, like on Psychedelics, I've seen so many fractals and you just see these floating triangles and squares exactly think of it. It's a sighted cube, So I don't. Then they say a sided square. I am not sure if it's more of the cube variety,

It's kind of freaky, to be honest with you. I mean I would be like, is this a giant Minecraft block? Like?

Right, do we step into the over ward?

Is this a big ass mine clos Like? Okay, I mean it's it's weird. It's weird shape though for UFO, like of all the different types.

You give me shit for bringing up Minecraft, but then whenever I describe it, it's like I don't know another version that could make that kind of.

Makes Honestly, I'm just thinking about the gelatin this cuban Onward. Like I'm gonna be real with you, if I was to pick something, I'm just thinking about that slow moving gelatinus Cube's terrifying.

Like the whole time he looked like like a silly, silly big brother for bringing up until he got that movie is so underrated. It especially the greatest movie Onward is great. There was a couple of scenes that didn't need to be in it. That's fair, right, but like they didn't need to there was certain points when they took it to the spin that didn't need to go there. Aside from these very rare few times, it was a super underrated movie.

It was a solid movie. But I will say, like a I can see how a Minecraft cube would make a lot of sense, But why a cube though, of all the ways to travel, it just seems like an odd way to wouldn't it get like more drag on the sides because of the sharp angles versus like a sphere or.

So you bring up a very good point, and here is the weird counterpoint to it. Okay, these crafts are doing things that defy all physics. They are droppings, I guess I mean human physics. I should say, yeah, they are going from thirty thousand feet to three and under one second if you do the math on that be Honestly.

I'm like, I'm trying to like visualize in my head of how fast it is, and like I just can't.

Okay, you know what. You know, we've talked about this on the show before, but for this episode, we're gonna redo some quick figure right here. So thirty thousand feet in one second, and we're gonna convert that to miles per hours, just so we're all on the same page of what kind of speed we're talking about here. Okay, it's uh, this is literal mock fuck. Okay, we're talking about going over twenty thousand miles per hour.

Yeah, that's I just I guess maybe like there's a lot more of this than I would go.

From thirty thousand to three feet. We can assume that's like thirty thousand feet per second. Okay, you know, actually you know what feet per second converted to mph. Just so we're all all on the same page, cheer.

Okay, I'm curious to see what this is gonna say.

Yeah, okay, thirty thousand feet per second is equal to approximately twenty thousand, four hundred and fifty four miles per hour.

That's so fast.

And just so we're all clear here, speed of sound. And I understand as I typed this in a lot of things different with this humidity, atmospheric pressure, all of these things. Pom pom pom gets you. I got it. Okay, three hundred and forty three meters per second. Okay, the speed of sound is about seven hundred miles per hour. Wow, seven hundred and sixty one miles per hour. And that's that we're talking about twenty thousand and this isn't even

It's crazy that they could catch it on the camera though, like real shit, like with our kind of technology, how fast they could catch it. I'm surprised, honestly that they could catch that.

So we are talking about something that's going mock fuck, which honestly, we don't have something that goes this fast. We don't have materials that can even be built, Like, we can't even build a missile to go this fast because we don't have the at the atomic level the materials that they were going this fast or tear themselves apart.

That's insane. If you think about the spaceship, it was going faster than a missile, like it would probably like slow down like the old road runner. Yeah, you know, go peep beep, and like, hey, that's crazy.

Okay, So as we're talking about why is it a cube, it's we're not talking about something that is uh, you know, dealing with our laws of aerospace engineering or our laws of physics.

It's way above my pay grade. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm terrible with masks.

So me and Jonathan thought about it. You and I can have these discussions like why a saucer, why an orb, why a bell shaped?

Or makes sense to me? The orb makes sense to me, The bell shape, I mean kind of makes sense to me. The triangle makes sense to me.

I guess maybe depends on it.

It depends, yeah, I guess.

But the tack the tack and then not only does it go down that fast. But then it goes into the water without making a splash and continues going that fast in water. I could see that I get thirty thousand miles per hour in water.

Well, liquid is easier to go through.

I would think we're talking it's a craft. Well, I like a submarine on the descent goes down lower or slower than a plane taking off. Right, So water, although sound travels faster through.

It, yes, but it's denser. So okay.

These crafts are able to go from thirty thousand feet to three feet and then break the surface of the water without even causing so much as a ripple, and then continue down at the same speed that they were in the air. This is beyond physics.

Like, I mean, real shit, if these if these aliens want to take us over, like we hear nothing, like, we're nothing compared to these aliens the technology alone, We're just gonna be fucked.

And that's so back to that conversation. Is it possible that these are the space hippies that have this crazy.

I stand by that these are that they are scientists, not all of them. I stand by that there is a majority of them that are here to be scientists and that's.

Not necessarily a good thing because like scientists were working with the Nazis in the Japanese and did a lot of atrocious things in the name of science. So like true, but just because they're scientists and academics does not mean that like we're safe.

I agree with that, but I think that if they wanted to be a warring niche and they would have done it by now. I mean, we are more technically quote unquote technical advanced than we have ever been before. True, So if they wanted to take us over Rome, what have we been a good time? Medieval times, before the Industrial Revolution? I mean, there's many times throughout history where like human civilization, they couldn't we're gonna do throws beer at somebody, like real shit.

So here's my and this is not like I'm not trying to down this hill, but this is my counter argument to that, Okay. And I've had this debate with people in the comments section on different posts like oh, if America so advance, why don't we just go take over Mexico and Venezuela And why don't we just take them over? Because we're not a conquesting nation, even though we have the ability to we just don't do that. We've done it before in the past, yes, never really

Somebody third party conquests.

Yeah, it's somebody who's very favorable to us, but is not us.

We look at human history though, like the people that did do massive conquests eventually failed and it toppled over. I mean, at least somebody could learn from Rome or con and like, you know, hey, maybe we shouldn't expand ourselves too much because then all of it will fail.

Now cut to galactic conversation. Why don't the aliens just take us over? They have the technology, they could take us over literally and not feel that within a hour.

Real shit, I mean two battalions honestly could wipe us out. It's real shit. I mean maybe not even two, probably one could probably take us over.

But so to to the point, why don't they I don't know, I don't have like facts to back up my thesis on this, my theory. I should say, I feel like they've probably done that on other planets before, and it was to the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, So it is a lot more beneficial to them to run our country third party or in our country our world third party.

Put maybe energy harvest in harvesting.

Yeah, I don't know what their resource of choice is. Some claim it is gold, some claim it is energy, some claim it's water. That's why our water levels are going down, even though somehow it's rising at the same time. I don't know. Maybe it's heat, like, maybe it's electricity. Who knows what the resource is that they're coming down to harvest from us, But it stands to reason, at least, again,

I've always felt like we reset though several times, like I feel like at some point we were way more advanced the earth or humanity. Humanity, okay, and we've reset somehow.

There's a strong argument for this.

That we've reset ourselves a few times and that we've lost whatever knowledge we had, and maybe they let us get to a certain point and then they're like, you know what, Okay, you've reached your expiration or you've gotten too big for your breeches. Let's knock you back some and they kind of just are resetting. Maybe they harvest a bunch of people. Maybe they take whatever it is they need, reset the clock, help wipe it out, and just keep doing that cycle. Maybe that's a thing.

There's an argument for this, and there's more argument to say that maybe nuclear power is the reset button, right, because yeah, there's a few, and I want to say a few. There is a handful, fair enough of exposures to alien craft beings, whatever you want to call it, throughout the course of human history, from the ancient Documentation to the Middle Ages, even today. We didn't really start seeing them until we started doing nuclear testing. Now, two

It let go such a massive pulse it that it sent out a shockwave. Plus on top of that, we sent out that messenger beacon that's you know, hey, welcome to Earth.

All around your single twenty year time frame, give or take. It stands way more to reason to me that it doesn't. When a nuke goes off, it's not just a blast of radiation, a blast of shockwave and a blast of MP I think we are sending out shockwaves that we don't actually have the instrumentation to pick up one, but they do, and so all of a sudden.

They come down energy level. We've fucked with the system may and that may not necessarily be a bad thing as far as they're concerned, because I don't think the alien actually give a fuck about us.

I think that they come in to check in from time to time, but at the same time they leave. They leave us alone for hundreds of years, and all of a sudden, Yo, come check these little these little humans out these little seventy percent water sacks. They figured out how to nupe themselves. Look them splitting atoms and shit, Yo, they got this collider. They're they're doing super colliding shit over here with this they call it cern Look at

I think that seems the reason, kind of like where I'm at with it that they we've I feel like we've advanced more than one time to a certain degree, and then we've done something to ripple that effect.

And read about the ancient nuke that went off the bramathstra No, I've never heard of this in India.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay, we're side tangent good cult members. Two second here, sorry, ancient Indian legend and lore. And I only say legend and lore because there was nothing to back this claim up. Untol like twenty fifteen. Okay, there's this general slash sultan slash king type figure who there's a war going on and something's got to give. They have to win this war,

They became a weapon of energy himself.

Kind of, and that it's so wrapped up in lore and mystery that no and nobody to this day has any real beliefs behind it, one way or another. But it is very interesting. So we may have had multiple resets. There is at least some kernel of truth to that that stands to reason with modern archaeology.

I mean, I've always felt like this for many many years, before I even really got into reading archaeology and that kind of stuff. I never really I kind of just have always felt like that that humans were more advanced at one time and then they've reset, been reset. Let me rephrase it. I think that we've been reset by something. Now what that something is, I'm not one hundred percent.

Certain Maduro, but that's the city, the city of Maduro, Mahandra Duro, that's it. Okay, yeah, Mahinda Daro. Excuse me, Mahindra Daro. It's a very fascinating city of the Indus River Valley timeframe. And you, being the one who's done the archaeological digcite, I'm.

Like, now, I really want to know all about this.

I did an episode on it probably six months ago. It is, it's fascinating, it's it's actually never puzzling anything else.

I've never heard of it, but I'm down to totally worried about it. But that's my theory at least, is that we've been reset. I'm not gonna say by aliens, but i I'm at least by some deities, by some God, by some aliens, by whatever the fuck is above us that has a lot more knowledge base than we do.

But then keep in mind, this flying cube didn't appear above New York City. It didn't appear but above Tucson, like we had the Phoenix, like we had the Phoenix lights. At one point in time, it happened to be floating over a nuclear test site or excuse me, a nuclear launch site.

I wonder if there's more around other nuclear test sites or old or old silos or old you know, rundown places that.

More often than not, more often than not, there's UFO sightings around current active nuclear bases. There's even case feeding.

I wonder if they're feeding off the nuclear energy, But then that would stand the reason would they be over Fukushima? Would they be over speaking.

Of Fukushima with Japan just had two massive earthquakes. They had a seven point five and a five point seven within three days of each other. I don't know what the current standing of Fukushima is.

But you can actually go to the website. They have a Fukushima website that is consistently tracking radiation every single day. I followed it for years, but now I'm gonna have to go look to be honest with you.

But to that point, though, if that was the case, why wouldn't they be on a ground nuclear energy sites?

I would they be eating the nuclear energy or the radiation at Chernobyl.

Maybe the waste is something that they can't use. I don't know. But even still, so, there's two cases, and we've talked about it on the show before. There was one in Russia and one in America, where a floating orb by all eyewitness accounts, floated over a nuclear missile site, armed the missiles, got them in position, opened the hatch doors on multiple missiles. Literally there was only the last thing was needed was the pushing of the button. No

Is only teenagers fucking with us like.

These were glowing, fiery, floating orbs that also defied the laws of aerospace dynamics.

I mean, it makes sense why we have Space Force, be honest with you, I mean I like it, and he's a lot more since the more you look into it.

But like a child like Trump, hate Trump whatever. I think we can all, at least of the cult members here listening, say what you want about space. Trump saying that space is now a war fighting front. I don't think we can really argue with that.

I mean, did people not watch Space Invaders? No, they did, Like man, that that movie. That was one of those movies that I watched over and over again as a kid.

They watched Star Wars and they all and et and they for some reason feel like all these aliens are like good, little little cute creatures.

You freak me the fuck out.

Well good, because we're gonna talk about that later. Because that was done on purpose.

Et et et was Okay, I watched the movie a lot, but ET was fucking.

Freaky to me, good because it should have been. But so many people are like, oh, aliens are here to like be kind and eat rece's PC's. It's like, no, no, no, they're not.

It was a creepy movie.

We're gonna talk about it here. With the seventy breeds of aliens, there might be the ET group, maybe one of them. And they believe they believe Spielberg got his inspiration from some anonymous whistleblowers from the government that told him what these aliens act like, move like, walk like all the things I wasn't like.

Eat was like chill though, to be honest, like he wasn't like But.

What's the chance that he was like the down syndrome alien because he was the only one that was left back? No, no, no, that I'm not the first person to make this joke look real. The aliens, whatever breed Eat was, they all made it to the ship on time. He's the only one that got lost in the sauce, fucking around with little little Leaf and the little little ress PCs and he's just playing with his finger and he can't even

Okay, I don't think that that's the case, but you know why not. I mean, wouldn't you think that they would just have a superior race, and if they had one that might be a little bit different, they would I don't know, Spartagus that shit or like Spartan that should throw them off the mountain. Maybe this was that version of oh my God, left it with the humans.

Yeah, because figure they figured the humans are going to kill it anyway. The humans are not kind or friendly to outsiders.

I mean, that's fair, but I don't think it's the dumb one.

But okay, we'll talk about it in.

Dedependance Day was a weird movie that that movie is That's where I was like, ooh Inpence Day or the day that the Earth stood still.

Back when, back when Will Smith was still a man. And also I thought it was good that they showed the reality of it this air, this pilot doing his thing. What does he do? He marries a stripper and gets her knocked up, obviously, and it's like, well, that's not a good look for our military. It's like, I don't I think they got the source as close to accurate.

As policy have. They met to a lot of the military members.

And then she's like talking to was it the president or some high up person. She's like, oh, I'm a dancer, oh like ballet exotic and she's like oh, and you realize, like wait, Will Smith married a stripper and had a kid with her, and like that's the reality. And it's like, yeah, yeah, that checks out. That's the reason.

That's the one thing that you pick up from the whole movie.

Besides that, that's the one bit of reality I took from the movie. Everything else about the movie is so dumb.

It it was a weird movie when I was a kid. It wasn't the first movie though that I watched that I was like m creepy aliens.

There's so many, but of the whole storyline, that was the one bit that like completely, that's not even what I remembered. What did you remember?

I remember?

Yeah, one liner.

I remember the Dad's sacrificing himself. Like that's the peak moment with the whole movie. I mean, but I love Star Wars, Star Trek all the things.

So yeah, that's the thing. And Et makes an appearance there too. Did you see that that at the Galactic Federation where there's a group of Yodas sitting next to a group.

Of Et, Not that I can remember.

Now, I'm gonna mesh your mind up real quick.

The side tangent on this episode. I am so sorry to your cold members.

This is the whole point, man, right here. What this is them at the big Galactic Federation meeting. And that's why in the movie, whenever Et saw Yoda at the Halloween thing, he actually recognized him and tried communicating with him. It's a part of the verse, it's a part of the lore.

How did I not know that?

Wow?

Yep, I'm a terrible nerd.

Great, I don't blame you. You know, there's a lot of info to just like take down and know off top so I can.

Yeah, I didn't like go super hard hard into it, but I didn't know that. I always wonder why he recognized him.

That's according to the lore, because apparently the ets all know each other. They do, they do. And if you go to the whole scene where there's like a hundred different little sections of these dudes all sitting together, these dudes are sitting right next to the yodas.

Lelo has that too when he goes to space. Yes, Lelo is this new kid's move that come out.

Not Lelelo. You're talking about Lelo and Stitch. You're talking about.

Lelo is his his name.

It's not Lelo Leo, No, damn it is.

There is this new movie that they like. So he walks in and he has to convince these people to let him join this federation pretty much, and they have little pockets of each different grouping or you know, ethnicity of aliens, and there's a whole bunch of them all at once.

Elliot l Oh, Yeah, hello Elio.

In my mind, I could see the letters.

But yeah, all joking aside, Disney has been putting out some dog shit movies lately. Eloh was good. I liked it a lot.

It was actually good. But they have a lot of alien movies that they put out, like a ton of alien movies.

Somos like they know.

It's almost like they know.

Anyway, all right, getting back to the square of the cube of whatever you want to call it, This object remained for approximately forty five seconds before rapidly departing over the mountains. Later that evening, additional sightings are reported, including instances where the objects exhibited aggressive behaviors by approaching security guards at high speeds before darting away. Graves, which is

Dude, what like they're just like, yeah, they should shut out, you know, and miss a out of this guy. No big deal, All right, let's move on, what right? I wonder how many how many UFOs are reported globally though, Like, is there places for people to report seeing UFO in other countries? I actually don't know this there.

There is, but I'm going to try to say this without sounding like a vengeful fucker here. So no, no, no, no, Because we've had beef with MOFON, which is the American group that you would report a UFO sighting too. We reached out to them. They have state representatives, they have a national representative, We have all these things, and we have gone out of our way to try to reach out to these people to get one of them on the show, just to have a conversation about some of

Those are the people that those are the nation, like the global people that you could report to.

That's America And every country has their own version of this, and sometimes they're affiliated, sometimes they're not. It really depends. But it's only in the last I would argue decade that UFO sightings have been taken with any kind of real credibility. That's fair, right, So, like there's been fringe groups and online forums where you can post about.

Your online forums have been around for a long time and stuff like that. But I was just wondering if there's like an actual, you know, country, say the UK, for example, do they have a website they could go to and be like, hey, I saw this.

The UK has way more UFO sidings and what people understand, thousands.

A year, thousands see and I had a feeling they did. I feel like other countries would have a ton of UFO sidings. I just never hear about them. Well, to be honest with you, I barely ever hear about them.

So we don't because in America we have so many that like what's going on in India right now, what's going on in China right now? And you think about this too. As far as crash sites go and wreckage recovery goes, the larger nation by land mass, not by population. The largest by land mass has a higher probability of being like a good catch net to have a crash happen.

I wonder how many craws in Africa.

Now that's the other side, depending on who you ask, Well, Africa's got like it was like sixty fifty four countries. I think, I don't know, there's a couple of the disputed, but like, yeah, there's no way you're gonna get them to even come together. They have very few GMOs that they can even agree on as far as like the Horn of Africa, South Saharan, Central Africa. They have a few groups that they can like resonate with to say, like for economic reasons, we're gonna fuck with each other.

Maybe Egypt, you know, like just I'm just kind of thinking about different places around the world.

Just hasn't had as many as you would think.

It's a weird decided they were fucking done with that place.

There, or because maybe the Aliens had nothing to do with Egypt from.

The beginning, you think they had nothing to do with Egypt at all.

I didn't say nothing at all. I'm saying that I feel like most people are undercutting human ingenuity. The pyramids were.

Built, they actually had before they got.

Reset, Okay, and that stands to reason because you know, the strongest structure in human existence would be the pyramid. And so after global floods and earthquakes and everything else, big tall skyscrapers will crumble, that pyramid is going to be stadfast, right because it is, in fact, and it's going to piss people off. A pyramid is, in fact the perfection of what we might colloquially call a pile. And so no, no, no, just hear me out.

Hear me out, you're back on this bullshit.

I'm not on this bullshit. All I am saying is that it stands to reason why if we have usual that.

They just made that ship up like they're just like boo, like.

Made up a pyramid. Yeah, you give a three year old legos and they will accidentally make a pyramid happen. You just go one less on each level, and then one less on each level, and then before you know it, they have a pyramid. That's not like genius.

You think that they just animally throughout all the world have just decided that they're going to have pyramids.

Every pyramid looks completely different. And I've seen this image. There's like nine different types of pyramids there.

There is a lot of different types of pyramids. I'll give you that.

And these people like how did they all know how to do this? It's like make a pile of rocks and then shape it to be smooth on all sides. How do they figure that out?

I just don't like most of us though, when you're thinking about how because nowadays we can't even conceptualize this. But like before, if you've never seen something, you're a lot of times it takes a lot for people to even like think up a new idea, right, so for them to like think up the levels though, in which they built the pyramids, and how they have the tunnels, and how they had like collapsing secret passages and where

No, no, I don't think it just came to this dude in a dream by any means. I think it was centuries, if not millennius, of trial and error to figure out what would be the most structurally sound shape, and then they ran with it.

I think it was Aliens.

Think about this calculus was invented by staring up at the stars.

I don't think it was Aliens in the sense that they built it. I think that somebody something had a way of helping hand us. I hear, we had more brain power, we had different things that we were introduced to at some point. Sure that people were actually talking to each other more than what we realized at that point.

Egypt is a prime example of that, because that was the crossroads of all human civilization at that point. If you wanted to get to Africa, you wanted to get to Europe, you wanted to get to Asia, you had to cross through Egypt. So that stands to make perfect sense to me. Why they would have the world's best engineers and they would have the world's best mathematics, and they would have the world's best slaves and all these

If there's other things that we just don't know about, like that all the libraries that got destroyed, what kind of information was in there, what kind of information got passed around? I just there's just certain things that I'm just like, maybe there's there's a lot more, I feel like to the story than what we know.

I agree with that, but like, for instance, everybody brings up the Library of Alexandria, it's like, how much information was lost during that fire and all of these things.

I don't think that's the biggest one, to be honest with you, it's not. I know it's not. But the Tibetan one was even bigger.

Yes, okay, and I'll even go there right. There have been some libraries that have been destroyed and some information that were super suppressed by whatever authoritative power it was at the time. And yes, sorry, it wasn't always the Christians. Actually, the Romans are the reason why we don't know what the Druids were about that had nothing to do with Christianity.

They were ruthless, they were actually tell the reason why? Uh did they actually listed out on paper?

Yes, but there's a lot of cultural biases of the day and age that you can't cut through what the actual real reason was.

I always found that to be interesting. I felt like they were extremely threatened by them. I feel like they had something of ace at their sleeve, and that's why they went after them so hard.

So the druid, to say a druid is like to say a educated person. Because of the druid, you had those that were political leaders, you had some that were medicinal leaders, you had some that were spiritual leaders. Basically anybody of the gaul tribes of the Nordic tribes or whatever. Once you got to a certain level, you would be asked to become a druid. It was a rank. It wasn't a tribe, it wasn't a belief system, it wasn't a religious system. It was a ranking among your tribe.

Okay, So like they had like a doctorate pretty much.

Okay, there you go. Now that could be a doctorate in whatever the case would be. But it was somebody that you got to a level where they passed down the only orally, I might add, because the Druids never wrote shit down. They're so smart, they don't write things down, and they would pass this down to the next generation and then it would progress that way. We only have a few scant sources of certain Druidic practices, but we

Well, mistletoe will come into play when we talk about the mule situation.

It will, indeed so. But my point is the Druids had their beliefs, and a lot of it might be akin to Nordic paganism in a way, shape or form. But even Nordic paganism, Icelandic is different than Denmark.

I wonder if they had alchemy to like they knew. I wonder if they were a lot more advanced than what we know, because they were the scholars of it. It could be like the Atlas Shrug movie where they took all the scholars and they put them in one area, all the really smart people.

I think that's why the Romans killed them all. They weren't trying to exterminate the Gauls. They weren't trying to exterminate the Normans. They were trying to exterminate the knowledge their leading class.

I mean, it'd be it would be the best thing to do, though, to take away the knowledge, because if you take away knowledge, then what are you gonna do?

The people have no choice but to it here because.

They have no idea what to do. At that point, there's no one to teach them. There's no knowledge to learn, there's no written thing to learn. So yep, okay, okay, and that stands stands the reason.

And that's just my own personal opinion. There have been so many scholars that have gone back and forth as to the reason for the druid genocide that took place. And it's very strange because up until only a few centuries ago, people thought the Druids were they're own tribe. But the Gauls in France had their druids, the Britannics had their druids, the Norwegians had their druids, and they all called them by that name. So it's like it

Clearly, I'm kidding everyone.

So now when we're talking about Egypt and all these other places, they have some UFO sidings, no doubt, not going to say they don't, not to the level in scale that America has had. Now again, is that because throughout the vast majority of human history, people just didn't write it down. And you had this random person in this random village in bump fuck nowhere Egypt, actual BFI and wouldn't know how to report that to the pharaoh, and so it just went unreported throughout the course of

And then there's the ones in the Mayans that they have, and there's ones that are quite a few throughout South South America that depict different images.

So, again, is that something that was seen in a psychedelic state when they were fucked up on whatever they're.

But they've again, if they've never seen it and they've never been exposed to it, nine times out of ten people just don't magically think of these things. So without any kind of conception or context or anything like that, you're not going to just create this and put it on an image that's going to last throughout time unless

It's very possible. And I'm not even fully disagreeing with that. I am saying it's just.

A theory that I've thought about through the years. It's not even I don't have, like, you know, a million sites to back it. It's just something I've kind of toyed with when I've listened to a lot of different things I don't have. I mean, there's just you never know. At this point, I feel like there's just so much that we don't know. And then that ties into the mud flood that people talk about and ties into you know,

No, And that's why I believe there's that Colonel Vampire is a great example. Right aside from the European narrative and Count Dracula and all that, take that away for two seconds. Every culture, every tribe throughout the course of human history has had some sort of a monster. Nobody's ever seen them as a positive thing. Nobody's been like, hey, the vampires are here, Yay, the dragons are here. Nobody's ever seen them as positive. Right, Well, Southeast Asia thinks

I will say a caveat to that is whoever funds these things. Sure, people are heavily indyaight, Like hell, I have an NDA on me, and it wasn't anything crazy, right, So like we and still this it will stand to read like until they decide to release me, I still have an NDA on me. And so you're talking about you have NDAs, you have groups of archie like groups of scientists that I work with different companies and they do different things, and so they have like specialized groups

But because it's her, I'm not saying that there's not mind raising technology, but like, come on, it is.

It is stupid. But saying that publicly, like hey, we did you know we can't erase your mind. We know that they've worked on all sorts of memories and everything like that. We know that they have the AI robot that's distracting memories and that's like making actual movies from it and stuff like that. So what is it to say that there is a specialized team that has gone in that has found these things. Then they just quietly took them and made sure that nobody hears about them.

And I'm not denying that that's a reality, which is why I say, per what we understand, and by we, I don't mean academia, I.

Mean okay, the lady people. Okay, so us peasants.

Exactly, it's very possible that they have all of this information to say that, yo, the Atlanteans. Here's where they lived, Here's how they flew around. They had an air dimensional shit figured out. It's crazy. There's as of the modern zeitgeist, there's no current things that would stand to reason on that.

There is levels to archaeology as well, so there's different levels when you go in, there's different there's three different

Yeah, that's very possible. True. Actually, so when we cut too, did they have ancient computers or some sort of an ancient flying craft or I don't know. Did this come from the aliens? Did it come from human ingenuity? And we fucked ourselves up so much that we self reset. That's gonna be.

Wild, which would be absolutely wild. What if we got to the point where we were using so much of it, like all the movies that we've seen in all this stuff about us having and telepathy and all these different powers and all this stuff. What if we got to the point where we realized we fucked ourselves and on the path that we're on. What if we'll say ten percent, we'll say the ten, top ten or whatever, the one percenters decided to get together and they're like, you know what,

All of this. There's always fares to back that, to say that perhaps and maybe it's nuclear, maybe it's something else, who knows, But essentially they realize, like, damn, the Earth is way too populated and we got to do something about this. Let's force a global flood to happen. I will respind a narrative or twelve and we'll just like make this happen. Or maybe it was the aliens, Maybe it was literally humans by not even some malevolent force.

Splitting the dimensions. What if we accidentally time traveled and split dimensions and have alternate universes stuck together that we did we created on accident.

All of these and so many more theories are possible.

Wild, it's wild to think about. Honestly, I'm sorry that we went on this massive tangent we m but it's one of those things of I'm new to some of this stuff, and so I have knowledge in so many different areas, but it's not something I've spent my knowledge base. Is I focus on things that I'm really interested in, and it happens to be some things I e. A ton of UFO and information I don't know what a bunch about. So if I asked a lot of dumb questions, I'm sorry.

No, If anything, you're asking questions on behalf of the cult. Because not all of our cult listeners have been listening for five years and know every single thing that's ever been discussed. Some of the listeners are relatively new to a lot of these things. So I appreciate the nuanced questions that you're asking and also your specific knowledge base that you're bringing to the table. So I think it's great.

So you're gonna know why I didn't hear about this, To be honest with you, they were.

They were talking about the alien disclosure for a good mines. I remember whenever. Remember, everybody was like COVID was fake. We need we need to see the Epstein files, we need to see the list, and everybody's like, this is the United States government speaking, aliens are real.

I remember they were really pissed because they were like, aliens are real, and everyone's like, cool, dog, I ad work Monday, and awesome, great, what are you? What are you gonna tell us? Because everything's heavily redacted anyways.

So so this was a part of that conversation in twenty twenty three when they were like, by the way, here's all these testimonies, the aliens are real, and we're like, okay, cool Epstein files, dog, we want to see flight logs, we want to see this. But wait a minute, but we're acknowledging aliens and it's like we know, dude, we all know. But anyway, we've all known. So but I did want to make at least a mention of this.

I like how he saw this and he ended up making a nonprofit just to prove his point of like, this shit's real.

Absolutely, and then there was another sighting hours later.

That's wild, he said.

Witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they had hailed on to quote official documentation and records end quote from the event over the years. There's another quote from Graves later in the evening post, sunsets now it is in the dark. There are reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before

I didn't even know that they created a resolution office for this.

Yeah, these are the things that happened quietly. You know, they're not gonna like take the Men in Black Office basically, yeah, pretty much what it is, which if you want to go that route, we could do a whole episode on the actual Men in Black Office. It was the NAA RO I'm trying to remember the acronym, but essentially it was created after Roswell.

But they had a real office.

Yeah, like an actual government agency, getting millions and millions of taxpayer dollars every year to go out and take samples, collect statements, talk to the civilians who saw some things that they said, No, the fuck you didn't right, you didn't you? I didn't see that.

I didn't see nothing, so nothing.

I'm trying to remember the actual acronym. We could do a whole episode on that. Actually, it's very fascinating.

I didn't even know that was a real thing.

Oh. During the Cold War, the government was willing to throw money at anything that sounded a little too crazy. So, as a matter of fact, I have a YouTube video pulled up of Ryan Graves on c SPAN speaking to Congress on behalf of all the crazy things that he saw, and I feel like it'll come a lot better from

Thank you, Chairman Grothlin, ranking Member Garcia, distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, Representatives Burchett and Luna. My name is Ryan Fobbs Graves, and I'm a form FA teen pilot with a decade of service in the US Navy, including two deployments in Operation and During Freedom

You, all right. So from his own emission, as we just heard, and I wish that we could play the video from this from the Independent, but every time we try playing it, AD pops up and then the video goes crazy. But essentially he brings up what took place at the Space for Space right, and he's saying, I mean that, Yeah, this absolutely took place. I was there,

It was like what ninety nine thousand, six hundred and four sauce square acres or something like that. So they have seen amount of acreage sixteen launchpads or launch sites.

So the Space Force base is currently being leased by Elon, so.

Sure one of those things that's not suspicious.

The incident was not spoken about publicly for two decades, but recently came to light during a sworn testimony given by before Congress by Lieutenant Ryan Graves, who we just talked about now. In ex United States Air Force Senior Patrolman Jeff Nucatelli, I hope I pronounced that right, If not, sorry, dude, Italians, one of those languages has come forward to shed further light on the eerie events. This is not a joke,

Like?

I get it. This is direct quote from him, went what the help, dude? They have so many.

Ads, so many ads in this thing.

When I showed up, it's just mayhem. Everybody's excited, they're scared, everyone's freaked out. He added, he said things calm down at the scene when the object flew off. Well, obviously so. He told the Merged podcast, which hosted which is hosted by Lieutenant Ryan Graves, that he interviewed about six people who witnessed the event following the alleged sighting. Basically, what they described was that the object came in was moving

Should hope three genuinelyies right right.

Hundreds of UFO sightings have been reported in the United States in recent months, a senior Pentagon official told CNN in October. Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon office established to investigate potential UFO sightings, said that his office received approximately eight hundred reports of unidentified objects as of this past April, up from six to fifty reports in August of twenty twenty two, so they were definitely on

Good morning, Thank you Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and members of the task Force for giving us the opportunity to testify today. My name is Jeffrey Neussatelli. I'm a former military police officer with sixteen years of active duty service in the US Air Force. I'm here today because the American people have both the right and the responsibility

Three.

Protect the witnesses. Many stay silent out of fear for their careers. Reputations and the safety of their families. Protect them, and you will embolden others to join this cause. These phenomenon challenge are deepest assumptions about reality, consciousness, and our place in the universe. Exploring them can unlock transformative breakthroughs in technology, biology, and human understanding. Let this be the moment when America chooses courage over fear, transparency over secrecy,

Okay, so that was from mister Knukatelly himself. And now you understand what I mean with the fact that like this is eyewitnesses. And again the first that we heard was from July of twenty twenty three. This is in September of twenty twenty five. They're still talking about the same instance of the glowing red cube that flew over Vanderberg.

Two years, two years later, two solid years of them talking about it, and it still isn't really being confirmed or at least you know, mainstream media.

Right right now again, eyewitness accounts, verified sources, government cover up as far as the events in two thousand and three. But now we are going to discuss the situation of what happened in nineteen sixty four with this nuclear test that took place and this flying sauce that shot beams of light at it and destroyed it.

Wit is that the video?

No, No, this is a CGI.

I was like, it's like a CGHI like a weird no, But we.

Still don't have the video footage of it. This is the guy who was taking the footage who the Air Force said never existed.

He just never existed. You told me the brief overview before we started, which is a wild story. I don't know if does it go into it in this.

Oh oh yes, okay, because this article goes into it. And then so does this YouTube video where the man, the myth, the legend himself speaks on behalf of it. And he'll even show you sections in the video of the launch day where he's there in uniform with his rank. And then they said, you never exit, you weren't even in the Air Force. I don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, bro, I have the footage, So all right, let's dive in here. This is from the sun close encounter.

So I love Heather. It's just like you didn't actually do what you did and everything in his illusion.

Yeah, exactly exactly. This is the camera that they were using to film the UFO at the edge of orbit.

That's crazy to me that they have. They had that technology back then and they're able to capture something going that quickly back then versus what they even could have now. I mean, but you look at the space photos and imaging imagery from all the way out where, God, what is that damn little Rover's name not the one I'm talking about, the one that's like way way way way out there. I forget what it is. But you see some of the.

Pictures you talk about in the El EO movie.

It's wild, like what they can actually see and the amount of technology they have now agreed.

So continuing on, it says, but suddenly, from in the frame, he claims he saw an object following the test missile, which was traveling at eight thousand miles per hour.

Like I said earlier, it's a roadrunner beebeep, so.

Basically, and we're talking about a missile going that fast, and some sort of a craft was keeping up with it neck and neck and following it.

It just like slowed itself down just to hang out and like, what is this thing?

Essentially, the UFO was said to have had honed in and fired four beams at the warhead. Doctor Jacob said, then it flew out a frame the same way it had come in. At that point, the warhead tumbled out of space.

Yeah, it didn't even explode. It just they like a shot.

It wasn't a live warhead. They were testing the rock to see if it was capable of doing this. But then once it got hit with these beams of light, the warhead basically just said wamp wamp and fell hmmm, So it didn't even hover like they were hoping it wouldn't go into lower Earth or any of that. It just fell out of the sky.

Okay.

The light came on and Major Manasman and the two guys in gray suits looked at me, and the major said, were you guys screwing around up there the camera site? I said, no, sir, and he said what was that? And it said, I said, it looks to me like we have a UFO. But he was baffled, Young lieutenant ordered to belt up or else, Doctor Jacob said. He escorted me to his door and said, I don't need to remind you of the seriousness of the security breach.

That's you know, that's not threatening at all or anything.

And this is the best part. We never had laser tracking in nineteen sixty four.

Oh so he admitted today knowing to having advanced technology quote unquote for that time period.

Right, he's telling this guy, if they ever ask you to tell it was laser tracking. This dude's like, what the fuck is laser tracking?

Right?

Like, what is that? And old boys this like you'll be all right.

Right, he added, What we are here today to tell you is that this is real, the event that is the most important event in history of mankind. We are not alone and this is the man's mean guy on screen right now, which we're not sharing the screen at this moment, which you know it is what it is. Four former US Air Force captains will speak about worrying incidents going back several decades and show declassified government documents.

The United States government will neither confirm nor deny the existence of uf foes, but unofficially a stream of retired military personnel and not coming forward with critical information about unidentified craft they encountered in the line of duty. Among them Robert Jacobs, a former Air Force cameraman who believes that there is film out there somewhere that proves that the government knows more than they are willing to tell.

We just come out of the most destructive war on the face of the planet, World War II, fifty million dead. We had just barely gotten beyond that, and suddenly, according to documents, there were mysterious objects maneuvering in American airspace.

UFL researcher and lecturer Robert Hastings, who spent twenty two years studying the United States interest in and reaction to reports of UFOs. Hastings has concluded that not only is the government fooling the ABOTA in the public, they've been fooling themselves.

I think it's not a coincidence that the phenomenon has accelerated its activity precisely at a time in human history when we've acquired nuclear weapons. I have interviewed twenty one former and retired Air Force personnel associated with nuclear missile squadrons who have referred to incidents involving the presence of flying saucers.

That theory is based in point on the personal experiences of Robert Jacobs, a former Air Force lieutenant.

In nineteen sixty four, Lieutenant.

Jacobs claims he sat in a room at Vandenberg Air Force Base and saw a UFO that haunts him to this day.

Hairs going up on the back of my neck right now thinking about it, just remembering that day I saw something that was so strange that it changed my life, changed the way I believe about the universe and my place in it and our place in it.

In nineteen sixty four, Lieutenant Robert Jacobs wationed at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. He was in charge of a special photographic unit filming test flights of Actless and minic Mad missiles, both nuclear weapon delivery systems.

When you launched a piece of equipment that costs four or five million dollars just for the piece of equipment and it blows up three hundred yards out of the hole, we want to know first of all, why.

Did it blow up?

So my job was to provide photographic documentation from thirty or forty different camera positions for each launch.

In November of nineteen sixty four, Jacobs was assigned film of Vandenburg missile launch using a brand new, state of the art telescope developed at Boston University.

It was the most powerful lens.

The Air Force had ever used, the biggest lens we had on our m forty fives was one hundred and eighty inches. This telescope had an effective focal length of one two hundred inches, so you can see that it's enormously bigger. It was so big, in fact, that when the missile left Vandenberg with the Boston University telescope in one single frame, just the bottom three engines on an Atlas A f filled the frame. That was from a distance of about one hundred and thirty nautical miles.

In a top secret mission, the telescope was flown in from Boston aboard a Hercules aircraft. This is actual footage shot by Jacob's unit and only recently rediscovered in his archive. The telescope was so large it had to be hauled to its site in an eighteen wheel big rate. Jacob's crew assisted the telescope's inventor, Wilter Manning, with the installation of the lens. The camera was perched on a bluff in Big Sur, one hundred and thirty miles from the launch site.

We walked out of the missile and we saw all three stages of powered flight through our binoculars.

We could see that happen.

It was a test of a top secret anti missile missile one designed to confuse enemy missiles and then go on to hit its target. The camera was programmed to follow the missile automatically and run for six minutes, long past the point where the missile was visible.

Now what we.

Didn't know is what else we had got besides the missile.

After the film was developed, project director Major Florenz Mansman called Jacobs into his office, and Major Mansman was not alone.

There were two guys in gray suits in there, civilian clothes. They were not in the Air Force. They were from somewhere else. They never identified themselves. They could have been cia osi Oss.

Jacobs was asked to watch his test film in the presence of these mysterious officials.

The nosecones spread out. The warhead was quite plainly visible. Something flew into the frame. What I saw was a circular object. It was a classic flying saucer, and it shot a beam of something at our warhead. You have to imagine this thing is flying along several thousand miles an hour.

The stuff is flying on and something comes into the.

Frame and chasing it, and comes in like this and fires at it, and goes around like this and fires at it and goes around like this and fires at it and fires that.

Are like then goes back out that way. What the hell could do that?

That was exactly what Major Manxman wanted to know.

And he said what was that?

And I said, it looks to me like we got a UFO And he said you are never to say that again.

As far as you're concerning Lieutenant Jacobs.

This never happened, and I was sworn to silence, reminded of the security of the severity of a security breach.

And told to leave the room.

Eighteen years went by with that image in my mind.

After eighteen years of silence, Jacobs felt compelled to go public. When he did, the official Air Force response was astonishing.

The Air Force denied that I was ever there. There was no Lieutenant Robert M. Jacobs and the Air Force at that time. I was never at VanderBurg Air Force Base. If I was at VanderBurg Air Force Base, I was never in charge of the photo optical Instrumentation section at the thirteen sixty Photographics squadront right here at this base. They denied then that there was a track inside of Big Sirt. They denied that there was a telescope called the BU telescope.

They denied that there was a doctor Walter Manny. They denied everything.

However, Sightings has obtained documents that proved he was in the Air Force in nineteen sixty four and that he was in charge of the photo optical instrumentation site at

The Air Force is probably not going to like this film, but there's nothing they can do about it.

It exists, It documents, the telescope.

The people who were there, including me, and if there any reifications about it, I guess I just don't care anymore.

So, as we just saw, they went out of their way to say that this dude never even existed, he never was in the Air Force.

He's in the video, but everything they didn't just go that far. They everything everything about it, the telescope, the whole the whole thing, the system that they did, I mean everything. They just denied it.

Just for the hell of it, just whatever.

That's wild. So they've never actually agreed that a UFO happened, So they just have they at least acknowledged that he exists because they have no options, but.

Nothing basically okay, basically they said, you know what, screw this dude, screw his testimony. Whatever. You know, security is a big deal around here, and these two suits over here will make sure that your life's hell. And it's like it start to finish. The camera that they were using was something that it was a special occurrence that they even had to use this type of camera because of the distance that this rocket was going to be going. They couldn't just use their regular way. It was like

That was a fantastic show, by the way, fringe, and a lot of people have never actually watched it. But then you want to talk about something that goes into conspiracies.

Okay, that show. Hell yeah, So this is all considered fringe claims, right, all these.

Things, it's all fake. And he's so apparently fake as well.

So here's the decoy warhead's explanation, because yeah, that's that's something that we need in our lives, right, Okay. In response to Jacob's claims of extraterrestrial interference, Kingston A. George, who had been a project engineer during the incident, published a piece in The Skeptical Inquirer disputing Jacob's claims. George authored a second article in two thousand and nine. George explained that, like Jacob's he had seen footage he was

Okay, so check, So they paid off somebody to count and counter him.

The reason is to make sense is because the chaff wasn't deployed until it got to eight thousand feet or whatever the case was.

However, didn't say it was only a couple hundred feet above.

Yeah, okay, and so this thing was traveling with it eight thousand miles per hour. Shot it with three beams of light, four beams of light, and then it zoomed off. But the chaff that was three hundred feet off the ground is clearly what they were looking at when it was in the troposphere or whatever the fuck it was whenever it went up.

Clearly, clearly, clearly okay, because.

The chaff is going to keep up with the rocket going eight thousand some miles per hour for a bit too, because that that's how that works.

I love that they It's like they're so bad at trying to cover shit up too.

Like, could you imagine just imagine this a jet, you know how there I've been a helicopter. You know how there's uh flares and shaft that they shoot out to be an air defense to turn against like round air missiles and things like this. Could you imagine if a helicopter deploys its flares and then one of these flares decides to keep up with it and maneuver with it for like a good section of time instead of just

I don't understand how they think people are just gonna be this stupid to where they just accept the narrative that they push and it's not even like a well crafted narrative.

It's not It's like.

A half assed just lunch. Bock threw it out like, oh, you know whatever, just here here's something just to just to have and shut the fuck up about.

Basically, it's so dumb to me. In twenty twenty five, The Wall Street Journal revealed that hundreds of Air Force personnel have been told falsely that there was quote a secret program to harvest alien technology end quote. The piece describes it as a long running practice that was like a fraternity hazing ritual that spun wildly out of control. The report also explained that a classified electromagnetic pulse test had been responsible for UFO reports and missiles going offline

You know.

You gotta tell all the young guys that were out here looking for UFO.

Shit, because yeah, that makes sense. I love the government. They're just so fantastic, aren't They Just like the cool and their stories are the best, the best bet ever ever.

All Right, So now as we are wrapping this episode, we're talking about the flying red cube gelatinous possibly in nineteen sixty four, and we are talking about that are actually the saucer was in sixty four, the gelatinous possibly cube was in two thousand and three. Yes, now let's hear from John Lear. Have you ever heard this name before?

Nope.

John Lear isn't a or at least was considered an expert in ufology. And he says, by his own emission, he was a retired military guy himself that we have contact with multiple species of aliens.

I recognize his face, but I actually don't know anything about it.

Well, so this is George Knap, this is the U, this is the anchor that was about Okay, so I was like.

This guy's face looks familiar.

Yeah, this is from eyewitness news and he had a lot of very interesting people come on the show as eyewenut.

Okay, so at least I'm not that dumb.

No no, no, no no. Without further ado, good cult members, I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen yet again, and we are gonna learn about John Lear and his time he went on the Georgian n app Eyewitness News eight to talk about the extraterrestrials. This was a part of like a forty five minute thing. We're not gonna watch the entirety of it for obvious reasons, but we

Welcome to on the record those of us, those of you who joined us last week were probably amazed as I was, by some of the latest research in the field of UFOs there is so much to talk about, however, we were unable to fit it all into one program. So my guest again this week is UFO researcher, former State Senate candidate, and award winning pilot John Lear.

Mister Lear, nice to have you here again.

Ore is a pleasure to be here, George.

To begin with, we have this concept of the people from other planets as little green men. Are they green? From what you know? Are they all the same or we got different kinds of them?

George is at least seventy different species and probably more. But yes, as odd as it sounds, there are little green men. That's not the ones we usually see though. We see the little gray ones. They are about four and a half feet tall. And we see the ones that are called the Nordics. They're about seven feet tall, look like us, but they're invariably blonde hair and blue eyed. They're one of the species that we have on ice one of their crashes we recovered.

Obviously, with different species, they have different motives. I mean, are there good aliens and bad aliens?

Want?

You know bad aliens in all kinds of ways and reasons for interacting with us?

And what are some of the reasons why would they.

Be genetic experiments trying to you know, there's a misconception here. People think that our space brothers would bring us, you know, good things and teach us how to get rid of all our diseases. And you know, if you get to if you stop and think about it, that may not be the best thing. Because if you a society without any disease and everybody starts living one hundred and fifty years, that creates a.

Lot of problems. I will say that is a very unpopular hot take by our boy John Lear on that one. Well, you know, if people live too long, that may not be a good thing. Like, bro, that's that's not a thing you want to be saying like you're saying it's a good thing that people die. And I understand where you're coming from. But also, you know, maybe don't sound in such a dickhead about I.

Mean, yeah, I get to kind of sound like a dick about it. But I will say though that with the technology that they're pushing forward right now to potentially put your I guess, consciousness, soul, whatever you want to call it into something to be able to transfer into

The McDonald's and the different plagues I E. COVID. Right, there's a whole list of reasons why they want the world's population to decrease. And I hear what he's saying again, I get it though, right, like to say that, oh, everybody thinks the aliens are coming to help us, but like that's not necessarily a good thing. And it's like, you mean that they're actually not doing that, But I cut in. Let's continue with his statement.

Here, they would not meddle in that in that way.

You believe in part that the movies et Close Encounters of the Third kind were not entirely just the creative products of some Hollywood director that maybe there's more to that.

Why don't you explain.

They were carefully guided by representatives from MJ twelve, who is this organization that is in charge of the cover up, in order to get us ready for the release of the information that there are indeed aliens, and in both those movies they used small little creatures and in order to get us ready for this release of information.

To prepare us that the idea of the benevolent aliens from outers are going to help us out.

Unfortunately, they're not so benevolent, So they made probably one of the most disastrous mistakes when ET was put out at that time was before we discovered what I call the double cross or the Grand deception, and they were trying to get us used to the benevolent little creatures. But that isn't the case.

Why don't you take a couple of minutes.

Now, you've done as much research on UFOs as just about anyone, Adam.

Now real quick, I do want to make a mention of this. You do notice that there was a hard shift as far as alien movies are concerned. Right, there's the old black and white Day the Earth Stood Still, and it was seen as creepy, but it wasn't necessarily

Yeah, there's good and bad. I mean more or less looks like AI is our best friend. That's where they're really pushing. But there definitely is a gambit though when it comes to aliens. It can be good, it can be bad, it can be all in between. I've watched a lot of different alien movies throughout the years, so I mean it's one of those things of you know, depends on the narrative of the year, the flavor of the year when it comes to what narrative they want to.

Push forslutely absolutely, all right, let's.

Continue imagine that. If you haven't done it, you know people who have. Where did it all start? Then?

How have we put this picture together of where they came from and why they're here?

Well, the whole thing started. And July second, nineteen forty seven, that was the first crash, first crash of alien of an alien spaceship. July six is when they recovered it and sent it to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. July seventh is when they held the press conference and told the people it was a weather balloon, which the press

And you say, we recovered alien bodies from that incident.

Four from that particular crash, Yes, And what did they do with them? They autopsied them. Doctor Detlov Bronc was the chief surgeon, so to speak. He was the one that named him. Eb S stands for extraterrestrial biological entities, and we captured three live EBS. They were numbered in their order of capture eb E one, eb E two, and eb E three.

Where did we capture? Where did this happen?

In different crashes? Eb E one lived with an Air Force kernel between nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty two. The ebees are kept in electromagnetic facility called a y wy Dash two. It was designed by a doctor Eric Wang, who worked directly for doctor Kissinger, who has been in this cover up since the very beginning. The reason they had to create electromagnetic facility is the fact that the ebes are so advanced. They're at least a half a billion years advanced from us and probably more.

They can move by thought, move by thought.

Thought, and they can also disappear, but they can't move by thought through electromatagnetic facility. So they built this facility. There was two, one in Los Alamos and one either at Edwards or up at the.

Test site a Groom Lake, Nevada, a Groom Lake.

Now there's still one ebe still living, eb E three, And there is a videotape that eventually is going to be released to the public, and it's an interview with him. As hard as that may sound, as hard as that may be to believe there is a videotape of an interview with EV three.

What is this language that the interviewers.

I haven't seen the tape, so I don't know. But on this trip I told you I took gathering all this information. A guy in Albuquerque handed me twenty five secret Cie memos. And if anything can be humorous in all of this, one of these memos in the body of the text it said, by the way Eve three wants to see the ocean, we better make the arrangements or he'll disappear again. So while he couldn't get out of this facility, he could make himself disappear and cause him a lot of trouble.

They now, can they exist among us? Is that what you're saying? Or do they have to have a special.

Environment of special environment, special era. It's my understanding they can only last about twenty minutes in this era.

You were saying, also, these gray ones are the ones that we see most of the time, and you said that most of that there are a lot of different.

Motives for them being here, the gray ones. What kind of a deal we got we're going with them?

Is that the bunch that you suggest we've made a deal with for military technology.

I think we made a deal with them, and they're ultimate to What they want to do is regenerate their own race. Now apparently they're either they've either had some kind of nuclear accident or they're on the back side of a evolutionary genetic curve and they're going downhill instead of uphill. In other words, in the autopsies of which I have too, we found out that their digestive system is atrophied. They don't they can't eat through their mouth anymore.

Now, these cattle mutilations, there's been a film made about that, and perhaps in a couple of minutes we can take a look at at some excerpts of that.

Yeah, strange harvest was a good one. But another thing had happened here. On March fourth, there was a documentary released on the best UFO photos that have been taken so far, including a minute and thirty eight seconds of videotape. Now what happened is in November, this guy took these photos, took it into the TV station. They thought it was great, but nobody would believe it. So they spent three months checking the validity of the checking the authenticating the videotape,

We have some of that and perhaps when we come back we can.

Okay. So now hearing from your boy, doctor Lear Raven Lee, what are your thoughts on those things that he just said. Some people call him an absolute quack, some people say he is an absolute source.

I think that he has a presence that is very constructed to be very confident in dominating. And this is what I believe to be factually true to where people will follow lead and not really ask a lot of questions. I found it interesting some of the things that he was saying, though. If they did have these three particular aliens, how do they know of all the things, that electromagnetic would be the one thing they couldn't pass through? Did one of them give up the information? What language are

Us apparently telegraphically?

Okay, So if they're moving through thought, then how would we capture them unless they wanted to be captured, Because if they're moving that quickly and that easily, yeah, I don't see how we could develop something or know something so quickly to be able to capture not one, but three of these things, so and hold them in facilities And.

So apparently off of the first four from the Roswell crash, we did autopsies on them. And I don't know this to be a fact. This is not Jacob speaking as some sort of an authority on this. This is what I've been with all the research that I've done being a professional conspiracy theorist for years now. This is about the chain of events. We did autopsies on these corpses and learned a whole hell of a lot about them

That doesn't mean since they're dead, so you wouldn't know that they could telepathically move.

No, but apparently they started communicating with the people that found them through telepathic means, and that's how they were able to save their lives because apparently they can only exist in our air for like twenty minutes. So they were told, we need to be put in this environment. You need to get to this quick or we'll die or whatever the case was. And thankfully they were.

Like a venom situation, Like, yeah.

Think of whenever his spacesuit opened now and he's like, the air is breathable? What these aliens when they landed here. Apparently our oxygen rich environment is not breatheable for them.

I just don't see it. I'm sorry, I just don't. I don't believe that they would willingly throw themselves at the creatures. I mean, the one thing that they know have to know is that they're going to be experimented on, so they're not gonna I just don't see it, like that would be being like a pow and being like you know what, hey, I'm right here, like, just come get me and torture me, and hopefully I will just share all of our secrets of the universe with you. I don't.

I don't see that that do some Stockholm syndrome shit.

But I but they're coming here, yeah, and then crashing, I just do I don't believe it, genuinely don't. And I don't believe that they held them and if they were telepathically able to move, I don't think that they would just chill and be like, you know what, I'm just gonna hang out in this torture area and like hope for the best.

And would they need to be torture because they already knew what the anatomy of them looked like, all of the four corpses at this point, they might keep them alive.

So this is one of the seventy that he's claiming, so that they for sure were the exact scene.

Once allegedly the same species, all allegedly super allegedly. But apparently these ebes as he called them, told them a lot of things about the world outside of our Earth, and apparently there's at least seventy that they know of, or have contact with, or whatever the case is.

And I don't believe him. You don't believe him, No, damn, I don't believe him. I don't believe in the way because his the way that he presented, in the mannerisms and way he the way that he was presenting, reminds me a lot of the experiments. So they did to see what people would believe. If you hold a title, if you're wearing a jacket, you know, how you're presenting information to people. I just don't believe it. I think that maybe there is a kernel of truth to some

You have a good cult remembers. Now as far okay, aside from Lear's testimony, the nineteen sixty four experiment with the flying saucer and the beams of light, what's your take on that.

I do believe that something occurred. Yeah, I don't. I would like to see the footage. Say, honestly, I would like to see if there was more than one person testimony to that day, because in the video or the picture you saw in the video, there was multiple people. I would want to see. I want all of those people to tell me the exact kind of story.

If nothing else, the fact that the Air Force tried to cover it up and say he never served and then he had to prove his point like that much is true. So at least there is some sort of a cover up that did take place.

Oh of one hundred percent. I believe that there is something definitely that went on, and I believe that something UFO related happened. I don't It's not that I don't believe him. I mean, I would just like to see

How many of those events got unreported or thrown so far under a stack of paperwork that it's just wrapped up now.

Right, true. I mean you'd have to definitely go in an online platform that's quote unquote unrestricted to try to at least get somewhat information. But then that's so hard because everything is. You know, anybody can make up a story, right, Anybody can say that, you know, I saw a bigfoot outst my window last night.

Yeah, and you could.

I mean, you could triple down and be presented like this guy just presented where like there's no shadow of doubt, there's no way that my inflection is changing. I am definitely telling the truth. This is what I believe wholeheartedly. You need to believe it with me.

Now that's so said. What do you think about the two thousand and three to two thousand and five crazy UFO sidings in the cube, the cube that flew over the exact same Air Force or Space Force base.

I think there's something there, Yeah, I think that. I believe that for that much land to be there, and for that many launch sites to be there, plus having decades aparts issues in the scene location, and for it to be turned into Space Force location and for Elon to have his whole situation there, there's just too many quote unquote coincidences for me, and I do believe that because that's not the first time we've heard about it a cube looking thing, so I believe that there is

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