#928- Project Ice- Worm & "War is Good For Economy"

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Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan.

I'm Jacob. Jacob. What are we talking about today, good sir, So I'm gonna paint a picture real quick, good cult members. Here we are on the Cult Conspiracy circa twenty twenty five. And you know that I do enjoy diving back into Cold War conspiracies from time to time because it's very interesting. A lot of the fuckery has now been open to interpretation and has been disclosed, and like, we can look

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Now you're getting it. And so why right, what is the precedence for this potential purchase in the future.

Well, we've talked about it before.

How during the Soviet era, right during the Cold War, we had a series of radar bases all along the Greenland and Island as a way to kind of keep the Arctic Circle under surveillance to see if Russia was making any moves, right, and a lot of these were

That's all we meant.

And for the record, they did this because diesel generators create heat, and they decided the best place to do this particular site was to go two hundred feet under the surface of the ice and burrow down and dig out these caves and these tunnels and use an underground iced in basically an igloo supersized as a means for an underground Greenland base. But the actual goal was to be able to store hundreds of nuclear weapons here. But again they skirt around this by saying, listen, man, we

Dog.

And I don't know how much you know about nuclear sites and things like this, but you can't you can't have a lot of movement on these sites. So in a few years they realized that the nuclear reactor had sunk five feet. For anybody who doesn't know, we have nuclear sits in Louisiana. And when there is a single pipe that is being ran from point A to point.

B, do you know what a jersey barrier is?

No, these big concrete structures will see like blocking off for like traffic and roadwork. Okay, it's it's like a It's like about a waist high concrete barrier.

Right, they're long. Okay, so that's a jersey barrier.

We have to use jersey barriers lined up and the pipe itself has to be strapped down like every foot with metal straps. For anybody who doesn't know about heavy industry, that is absurd. There's no reason for this pipe to be that fucking secure.

What are you.

Doing with this? So one of my buddies that was building a nuclear site actually asked one of the engineers and was like, bro, what is going through this pipe that makes it so secure. He's like, no, no, not just this one. Every pipe has to be this secure. He's like what, He's like, that pipe needs to be so secure that if we were to get an earthquake, a tidal wave, and a tornado to hit the site at the exact same time, that pipe can't move.

That's the level of sophistication.

And sturdiness that goes into building a nuclear site. So when you can tell me the main reactor just dropped five feet, you understand this is a bit of a bit of a oopsie daisy. Right, Yeah, not necessarily a good thing.

I mean, you're talking about nuclear shit here and now, depending on you know, if you believe that nukes are faking gay, that's not part of this conversation. We're talking about nuclear energy. And by the way, I looked a little bit more into that whole nukes being fakeing gay conversation. Are like, not to go full on side tangent here, but I found the argument is not whether nukes exist. They just say that as kind of like a it's

Their vegetation was springing up.

And therefore the science that we've been taught about nuclear bombs is incorrect. And so as a result, they say that nukes are faking gay.

So here's the background of that one. I'm holding right now in my hand. Good cult members that can't see a thirty six round. Now, if I was to fire this round and then you tell me, I don't believe in gunpowder because there was no gunpowder left in the cartridge after you fired it. Yes, because all the explosive material was used to make the bullet go. When a nuclear bomb goes off, all the radioactive material get used in the explosion. There is a very little radioactive fallout

That's not one big kaboom.

So the nuclear bomb goes off, Yeah, you could live there probably in about a week realistically.

That's That's never been an argument.

No, no, but that has been an argument.

And that's what we were taught in school, is that people couldn't live there for decades after, even hundreds of years after, because of the level of you know, nuclear radiation and shit. I remember learning that in school.

I do not. My teachers are very open to the fact that like Hiroshima and Nagasaki have thriving communities today, but like that's a whole thing. Yeah, well, I mean that's the Rockefeller school system for you, you know, brought to you by the Robert Maxwell textbooks. Very true, very true. But now let me side tangent. It back to Project

They kind of mixed the program a bit.

So they nixed the program and decided to just leave it there. And they figured that all of this nuclear material and all of this would just be encapsulated in ice and.

It would never be a problem, never again.

Except and I don't mean to make this a global warming episode, because we understand that the Earth has heated and cooled for centuries and millennias without the help of human hands. That being said, experts are now saying that sometime in the next hundred years, tens of thousands of gallons of nuclear waste and tons of radioactive materials are going to seep their way into the Arctic Ocean because of all the shit that Americans left under the ice there.

And here's the problem. There's pretty much no.

Way of cleaning this up because so much more snow and ice have come down on top of this. It is now an extra one hundred feet of solid ice underneath what once was there. And we have no idea how much seepage there's been, so we have no idea the level of protective equipment that you would even need to get cruise down there to clean up this mess. So we're pretty much just left saying, hey, fuck it,

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Indeed, indeed, all right, So let's get into it here.

We're starting off with this article from Smithsonian Magazine. NASA radar detects abandoned sight of secret Cold War project in Greenland, a quote city under the ice. Camp Century was built in nineteen fifty nine and advertised as a US research site, but it also hosted a clandestine missile facility. Let's get into it. In April, a team of scientists and engineers flew a jet above northern Greenland to test the capabilities of a radar instrument about one hundred and fifty miles

Per Popular Sciences Andrew Paul.

It's scientists did collect the world's first ice core samples, which are still referenced in research today, but the facilities also hosted a much darker venture, a top secret Cold War mission called Project ice Worm, and I should mention the ice core samples that were taken here. This was the first time that they were actually able to go down and be like, wow, we're looking at ice from one thousand and eighty from the time of Jesus, from

You know, they go there, they say they're going to be working on this experiment or testing these this soil or whatever, and that's usually just like the the overlapping kind of story, so that nobody really knows what's actually going on.

I think, you know.

Because there's I think that there's a lot more to our exploration and there's a lot more to our patriotism and giving everybody freedom than meets the eye. And a portion of that would be that the facility also hosted a much darker venture, a top secret Cold War mission called Project ice Worm.

It's classified effort.

Aim to house and launch a system of missiles within a network of tunnels beneath the ice. The weapons a type of nuclear missile known as Iceman, which, for the record, are you've ever heard of a Minuteman missile? Oh?

Yeah, So it was a Minuteman.

Missile that was specifically designed to be launched from an Arctic site, so they nicknamed them the Iceman instead of the Minuteman, but same concept here, they could launch through the ice sheet. Per space dot COM's Brett Tingley, their potential target was, of course, the Soviet Union. On screen

We talk about all the different dums that are in the United States. It used to be a crazy conspiracy. Now they're just out in the open with it, you know, like a lot of it used to be so secret. And that's the thing, like, you know, if they are willing to admit that there are deep under deep underground military bases, right, Like, if they're willing to admit that, it makes you wonder, like what about all the other stories,

Extravagant, dude.

Like it is like you've seen, like everybody's seen Batman write all the different Batman movies, like the bat Cave about how it's so advanced and it's so sick looking and everything that is like caveman shit compared to what they got going on underground in real life.

I actually think that Bruce Wayne was supposed to be Tony Stark in the DC verse. I mean, they're basically the same person if you think about it. I know, like, Okay, so his dad, Wayne Industries, wasn't a military Industrial Complex contributor like Stark Industries was allegedly. But then you see like the Dark Knight Rises and you see how much military tech that Wayne Industries in fact was doing, and it's like, so, did DC plagiarize iron Man or did iron Man plagiarize you.

Know what I mean?

There's a little bit of both, and you can see the same thing like, uh, DC has Superman, right, and uh I just recently watched the Eternals movie again and in what one of the Eternals was basically fucking Superman laser beams coming out of the eyes, can fly and super powerful and all this kind of stuff. And so they do kind of feed back and forth off of each other.

And yeah, with Marvel you have the Hulk. In DC you have Solomon Grundy. Uh you know, you got it? Does this? They do this a good bit? They you know, when you take inspiration, it's like that's a really good idea for a superhero. But man, we can't just take it from them. We got do our own thing. So they had to like twist it and modify it a bit. And then there's always teenage mutant Ninja Turtles who were out there literally to do it as a joke, and

Bro, do you want to hear some crazy shit. There's actually a conspiracy about the Ninja Turtles, Oh for sure, there has to, like, all right, think about it. There are these reptilians aka turtles that live in the sewer system. They love pizza, right with the whole Pizzagate and everything.

No, they no.

And and then Master Shredder he's trying to get a bunch of teenage kids to get them ready to fight the reptilians underground.

Splinter that splinters. Shredder was the bad guy. No, no, no, no, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Shredder is the bad guy. He allegedly the bad guy, right, and he's the one that's trying to train all these underage kids to fight up against the reptilians, Like, so could shred Ter be the good guy fighting against the fucking reptilians who are underground eating pizza? And then of course the reptilians are

The reporter, fucking April Dog April.

Yeah, it's like, dude.

It's they take they take something and they flip it upside down and make it seem like these are the good guys. Now, I grew up loving the Ninja turtles. Who doesn't love the Ninja turtles and everything? Right, fucking you know they're eating pizza. You're like, oh yeah, especially as a kid, Like everybody's favorite food as as a kid is like pizza or mac and cheese or something simple like that, right, And so that's how they that's how they fucking bring you into it, dude.

Damn it, I'm not happy about how well that lines up. That's that's pretty phenomenal, dude.

It's like it and and we've been groomed that way, you know what I'm I'm saying, like, maybe it's a coincidence, maybe that's not even what they meant to do. But I will say that if we live in a fucking matrix world and you start seeing things differently, whenever that third eye opens up all the way, shit starts to look a little different. Okay, it do damn, And now I'm not gonna be able to look at that any differently.

Shit, I know, I know. Crazy. Anyway, So back to Project ice Worm. What we have on screen right now is a picture of a thermal drill. Okay, this is what they used to take one of those core samples out of one of these tunnels. So this was the

Yeah.

Popular, you know, contrary to popular belief, ice does in fact bend a bit. Maybe not an ice cube, but the small scale. It's kind of like saying like steel doesn't bend. Yeah, if you have a piece of it this big, you'll probably snap it rather than bend it. But at a large enough scale it will absolutely shift and bend right percent.

Like the like bridges, they're constantly swaying with the wind. There's always some kind of give with them. They have to actually build it that way to a line for that right.

Ice is just solidified liquid, so it's going to shift, is going to bend. Couple that with the fact that they are doing stuff that produces heat underneath this ice sheet. It only adds to the flexibility of the ice and it became untenable. But we're going to get to that

God, that's a mouthful.

This video actually is a restored classified film to talk about Camp Century. We're not going to play the whole thing, it's like thirty minutes long, but we are going to play a portion of it more towards the end of the episode, so stand by for that one. But anyway, A study published in twenty sixteen also suggests the site might contain toxic pollutants, such as a polycl chlorinated by

When spotted by the team in April.

However, NASA's uavsa R, which is the Uninhabited Aerial Vehicle Synthetic Aperture Radar. This is the same radar that they used to claim that they found those things under the Pyramids of Gizon. But I Digress mounted on the belly of the plane provided a map with more dimensionally and pre than previously data. God I'm having an issue reading this morning.

Hey.

You know what's funny though, speaking of that that UA V S A R. The like penetrating rays that they're trying to send in to see what the structure is on the inside.

Right.

They recently just did that with the the Devil's Tower that they claim is not a tree, right, yep. And they found that there were that there were some kind of temples inside that that there were some kind of like opening chambers on the inside of Devil's Tower. And now if you hear, you know, natives talk about it on that land, they'll say, dude, don't go there because they'll, you know, they they think that it's evil, that that's where a lot of like bad things were going on.

But I find it fascinating that, you.

Know, whether it is in it, you know, an extremely ancient tree, or if it is just a weird looking fucking mountain or whatever, right that there is there seems to be some kind of chambers in there. That's I don't know, man, Like, that's what I'm saying. I think that our history we don't know shit about fuck about our history.

And it's unfortunate because Bear Tower, huh, because they thought that a giant bear was like scratching at it to get to the dudes on top or whatever.

Maybe I don't know, but it's interesting because you know, what happens is is that And this is what we've been discovering over the past five years that we've been doing this show, is that, you know, the the victors write the history right, like they're the ones that tell

We don't know anything anymore.

Right, And so whenever we think that we got it all figured out, it's like, dude, I even now we don't have it figured out.

Imagine, like, think about what's going on.

Over in Russia and Ukraine and Palestine and Israel and all these other places that probably have history on top of history on top of history. All of that is going to be lost, Like it is all going to be gone, just as far as documented history goes, not only with all of the books and everything that was written maybe the scribes and the tablets and all this other shit, but the people along with it that aren't

You might think it's the economy. I mean, America is a warring tribe, dude. We've only been at peace for like I think at this point now it's like thirteen or fifteen years of our entire two hundred and fifty year existence.

There's a reason for that.

I'll believe that it benefits my economy whenever all of this shit is going on and we're kind of sticking our nose in where it doesn't necessarily belong.

You know, I'll believe it whenever these wars are over.

And I guarantee you all the prices of everything will continue to skyrocket. So at that point, you can't say that it's benefiting the economy.

Oh no, no, Look I'm not trying to take the warmongering stance here. I'm saying like, for instance, the twenty two year war in Iraq and Afghanistan that did not benefit us. Now, if we would have gotten in and out of there in five years, yeah, that would have benefited us for sure. Quick wars, oh, that benefits America greatly. But as Sun Su said, no nation has ever benefited

You've maintained that same kind of ideology that war is good for economy. What do you actually mean by that.

Well, I mean it's not just think about it, not just in a modern day, right, think about it as far as as far back as humankind is concerned. War is good for a society. It is not good for the people. It is not good for the places that are war torn. It's not good for the people that are living in the city that's being besieged in all these things. Absolutely can agree with that, but that's not how history is written. Like you just said, history is

I don't know if that necessarily suggests that it's good for the economy though, because the economy, it's like good for the stock market and good for creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and pulling people out of poverty and you know, just the better overall, even like fucking mental health of the people, right, Like, I don't know if I agree with all that.

Some yes, some know.

And again I'm not speaking on this as some sort of expert. Okay, I've done my studying into this for sure as a As a I guess I could call myself a amateur historian here. But yeah, whenever there's a war going on, the homeless can in fact enlist. Right, the people that are in abject poverty have more opportunities for advancement within going into the military. Now, I'm not saying as far as mental health is concerned, PTSD is a motherfucker and has been for a very very very

Like, give me a fucking minute here. There's I'm saying that.

Throughout the course of human history, warfare, although it has always been horrible and always been brutal, there was a letdown period, if you will, that would naturally happen just in the guys coming home from war these days. I mean, fuck, you get guys that they're on the plane, like the pull out of Afghanistan and Kabul. These dudes that were getting shot at and blown up in all this now they're just back home and like that's just that's just how it is.

Now.

Just turn that shit off in your mind, just flip a switch, and it's like, brother, the human mind doesn't do it like that.

Yeah, It's like, you know, I don't know if they ever called it PTSD way back then, but it was more of it.

We just to call it shell shot shell shock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what.

Actually, just to bring in a different thought here, just as far as war benefiting the economy, turns out that that's actually a myth. If you allow me to share the screen, I have a really good article that I got pulled up here. And I know this is a complete side tangent and everything, but I look, I'm somebody I've always said that I am anti war.

I will never be pro war.

I don't think that it benefits anybody outside of the fucking military industrial complex. I don't even think that it necessarily benefits the fucking government, to be honest with you, because I think that the militarim goes unless the government is the military industrial complex, you know, which, you know, it's contracts and all this other shit.

You know, it kind of gets together.

I think they're locked in on that one.

But yeah, right right.

So this is from ThoughtCo dot com and it says are wars good for the economy? One economic theory explains why wars don't help. So one of the more enduring myths in Western society is that wars are somehow good for the economy. Many people see a great deal of evidence to support this myth. After all, World War two came directly after a great depression and seemed to cure it. This faulty belief stems from a misunderstanding of the economic way of thinking. The standard a in quotes a war

Go down economics.

Essentially, this smash window will go on, providing money and employment and even widening circles. The logical conclusion from all of this would be that the little hoodlum that threw the brick, far from being a public menace, was a public benefactor. The crowd is correct in believing that that the local glass shop will benefit from this act of vandalism. They have not considered, however, that the shopkeeper would have spent the two hundred and fifty dollars on something else

So now you have fifty dollars less to spend on other goods, and the price of fridges will likely increase due to the added demand, so you'd lose twice. If you were planning on buying a new fridge, the appliance manufacturers would love it, and the Army might have fun filing the or filling the Atlantic with frigid airs, but this would not outweigh the harm done to every American who is out fifty dollars and all the stores that will experience a decline in sales due to the decline

It's a horrible example.

No fridge costs fifty dollars, so like right off the rat No. No, I hear what they're trying to say, though, take it from fifty and make it six hundred or whatever the current fridges go for.

Here, I hear what they're saying.

But they don't increase taxes when wars go down, and they don't take it from social programs either. They have a literal budget for the War Department who does these things. Where's that money? Oh, it comes from taxes, don't get me wrong. Yes, but they don't increase taxes to make that happen. Oh, I mean, that's exactly what I mean.

No, it's it's good in theory, except none of that pasted like it was all a scam.

None of it came to fruition.

Elon Musk decided to part ways with fucking Trump, right, and whether depending on what you believe.

About that whole situation. I'm not talking about that drama, right.

But the idea is is that Trump was constantly trying to just fuel and fuel and fuel the military budget. And you know, look, I'm I'm I'm for a decent sized military budget. Look, if it keeps us safe, if it keeps us, you know, from from having other countries' boots on the ground here, that's totally fine. But the problem is is that whenever you keep on funding all of this, you know, look, whenever, whenever you're a fucking hammer,

But hey we can.

We have the budget, we have the money, and the American people are dumb enough they keep on giving us their fucking tax money and they don't see any benefit from it.

That's my issue. But once again, if it's a prolonged war, yeah, that's not good for anybody. Korean War, we were involved with that for three years. That helped us a bit. And I'm not going to use World War Two as an example because that was in and of itself. That situation is not something that we'll ever get to again. Hopefully, good God knock on wood on that shit. But so we were coming out of a Great Depression, right, We

And then once the war was over.

Any country that was worth the fuck on an industrial scale was bombed to shit.

So we were the only.

Country left standing that had any kind of real foothold in the industrial space. So now everybody had to buy from us, So it boosted our economy even more and more, and only consumers. Well, now, yes, because the fifties. But my point is this is that wasn't that one specific example is not the one example that I go.

To as far as how war is good for the economy.

All right, okay, I'll.

Give you an idea here, just a little a little thought process here. Let's say that there is Sally Sue living in Idaho on Main Street. Bumfuck nowhere, Idaho, right, and and the country decides to go to war with I don't know, let's name some wild country.

Let's just say fucking France.

Right.

Let's say we decided to go to war with France for one reason or another. Maybe they decided to poke the bear, and the bear woke up out of fucking hibernation. Was like, I guess the fuck not right, And so we started dropping the fucking hammer on France and is dropping the hammer on us. And it's a grueling battle, right, and no telling how long this is going to go.

Okay, I'll give you an example. Look at Desert Storm. Now here's the issue. When politics get involved with warfare, it is never to the benefit of anyone, ever, ever, ever, ever. Okay. That's why Afghanistan Iraq lasted twenty years. It's why Vietnam lasted nineteen years. Okay, Desert Storm was wrapped up in like two weeks. We had taken over the entire country, a massive oil producing country, in about two weeks, and we benefited from that greatly for the next ten years.

How did Sally Su benefit from that? Just by the oil prices going down?

And when you think of oil prices going down also, it's not just like at the pump. A lot of our plastics are made from oil price. A lot of our industry is reliant upon fossil fuels from the ground. I know the term fossil fuels is silly, I get that, But beside the point that all plays in right, So us taking a quick hit somewhere actually helps us in the long run.

So that is a thing that we can track sure out.

But there's no guaranteeing that you're ever going to be in and out of a war like that. Like that is an exception, that's not the rule.

No, But see, that's the thing.

If politicians can keep their fucking noses out of military's business, it can do like that.

It can be quick, that it can be effective.

That's like saying you could smell better without your nose. Like it's you cannot remove politics from military like especially in this day and age. It is it's it's a fallacy to even think that that would be possible.

It's been done, and that was in the nineties that Desert Storm happened. But again, before that, the Vietnam War, politics was heavily involved with the military, which is why it lasted nineteen years.

There's ebbs and flows to this.

I am not about prolonged wars, and I'm about America sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. But at the same time, there are so many conflicts going on around the world right now, and I don't mean country versus country, like for instance, what's going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan. America should be nowhere near that. That is not our problem, and I agree with that. However, a warlord that's taking

Sure, but the problem is is that all right, you know, maybe old Sally Sue did benefit from that war at the pomp and on all products that contain some kind of petroleum whatever. Right, but let's say, you know it, it was a grand gesture and we only lost I don't know, let's just say we only lost five hundred people in that war, so you know, it's a greater sacrifice for you know, or for the benefit of an

Wait?

Wait, her son volunteered. It's not nobody put a gun to his head and made him sign up. And if you join the military, you shouldn't want to stay home. Why the fuck would you join the military? Join join the police department. Like, if you're joining the military, you should want to deploy, you should want to see combat, you should want to go do stuff, which means there's an inherent risk of you losing your life. And if that's like jarring news to anybody, I hate to break

Yeah, I mean, And that's what's really unfortunate about it, is that the military will accept eighteen year olds seventeen year olds, you know, seventeen, Like that's that should be fucking illegal. Like there is no way in hell that an eighteen year old or a seventeen year old has a developed enough mind to say I'm going to go

Sure, sure, and I get that, but also you signed the contract. I have signed up to do this. And if he thought that you were gonna get involved in a war, if it was only defensive, again, your recruiter lied to you.

You'll go where you're told to.

Go because it's to the needs of the of the country, whatever those needs may be at this time. Even if you disagree with the war, Oh well I'm a conscientious objector, then get the fuck out of the military.

Don't join.

Yeah, but even you have said, like anybody that even thinks about joining the military, the Marine Corps in general, you're like, don't no.

If you're trying to go and kill people, then, like, for sure, the Marine Corps is If you're trying to go and kill people, you got something fucking wrong in your head, Like when the entire Marine Corps has something wrong with it. That's why we joined the Marine Corps. Like it's not a joke, Like it's.

It's like who wakes up and says, man, I really just fucking need to kill somebody today. I'm not even trying to sound like a fucking like a like a tearful heart kind of liberal and saying that I'm talking about humanely, like those people there needs to be like there's something wrong.

Or is a blood cult. Like, yes, I've said this a million times. I'm not shy about this, proud of it is what it is. You need the pit bull to be let off the leash from time to time. That the Marine Corps is the pit bull. If you're looking for like the good family dog who joined the army, Like for sure, there's all kinds of careers and jobs and they treat you like a human.

Being and like it's good stuff.

If you're joining the Marine Corps, then like expect to have your life suck for the purpose of when you get let off off the leash.

That's how this goes, dude.

Yeah, I mean, it's just a difference of opinion. I mean, I'm not gonna I get it. Yeah, you know, that's just how I process it in my mind. It just doesn't make sense, Nonna.

I get that. I get that. And we're also looking at this on the micro scale of the individual. You have to look at warfare on the macro for the entire organization, for the entire department, for the entire nation, for the entire world, right, because warfare is a lot more than the quick skirmishes and the firefights that take place. It is so much more than the Ied attacks. It is so much more than the caskets coming back with flags on which me and my boys had to receive

Well, thank god for war because it really it really advanced us in terms of surveillance, and you know that's what we really care about.

Look at us right now, we're talking on the internet because of satellites, right That was all done because of the military industrial complex. That wasn't done for the better men of humanity. Electricity ran to our homes. I fuck, we could go into the realm of indoor plumbing as far as the Romans are concerned, same thing. They needed

I mean, I don't think that that's a good enough reason. I think that, you know, probably eventually we would have stumbled across that as a as a breed of animal of the human that we are, we would have eventually gotten there, given another five hundred years, given another thousand years, Like okay, you know, like, do we absolutely need military? No, I'm not anti military. I'm anti war, So do we absolutely need war? I'm not anti farmers, but I'm anti garden?

Like wait, what, No? No, I think that.

You know, I'm I'm for defending your nation, like I'm gonna pro that.

But I don't a good offense, is it not?

And I don't agree with that.

You play football.

I played defense. I believe that the best. I believe that defense wins championships. Oh okay, I forgot, Yeah that's totally how that goes.

What dude, luckstdowns are not scored by the defense unless the rare incasion of a fumble or an interception.

Dog, dude, anybody that's watched a Steeler game knows that fucking defense wins championships. You ever heard of the fucking steel curtain, brother, I mean, yeah, you've only mentioned it a time or two. I'm just saying defense does when if you have a porous defense, you have a shit starting cornerback that can't cover anybody, your offense is going to have to try and outscore the like the worst game plan is thinking that your offense can win the game by just outscoring like that.

No, no, no, you have to have both. You have to have a good offense and a good defense. Otherwise it's going to be a high scoring game where it's just I hope we can score more touchdowns and then before the time runs out. I'm with you one hundred percent. But you also have to have a good You have to have a defense. You absolutely have to have a good defense. But without a good offense, the defense is

That's the exception.

If a defense score anything involving the defense scores a touchdown in a game, that is a rarity that might happen. Once again, there is exceptions. Yes, there's exceptions where there was like three pick sixes in the first half. Like, yeah, I'm not denying that. But if you look at football as a game overall, the offense is the one that scores more touchdowns than the defense.

It's not even like a close comparison.

Dude.

There have been games where like people have won three to nothing, ten to nothing, six to nothing, like, it has happened plenty of times.

And it's usual.

That's not a normal thing.

Well, yeah, that's only because the fucking league has gotten so pussified that we're not allowed to smash quarterbacks anymore. And so the idea is is that if your defense is good enough, it's going to rip apart in the offense.

Like see dude, whenever I was so this is when the.

Same thing in war. It's the same thing in war.

It used to be we could get in there and funct shit up for three years and walk out of there and be done.

Now because they've pussified.

By they, I mean at the league, I mean, politicians have pussified and nerfed our military so much we get involved in twenty year hearts and minds campaigns that take away from everything. I agree with you one hundred percent. Yeah, I don't know.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I mean, I think that I'm not even really trying to convince you. Of all, people like you joined the military. You're about that life. You think that it's a great thing to be like a fucking stone cold killer. I'm I disagree with that.

I mean, I understand that, and there's people that give me shit because I never deployed. Keep in mind, I joined the infantry during time of war and my goal was to deploy, but the needs of the Marine Corps told me that I was going to DC.

That's still my biggest life regret.

But it's not up to you, though. Yeah, I mean, it really was not. It got it was not.

Yeah, it's all voluntary.

Yeah, my fucking ass, dude, how many voluntary things are there in the Marine Corps.

But you know, and especially you hear about people going up to recruiters and they're like, yeah, I want to do this, I want to do that, and the recruiters like fucking pumping them up. I know that there's a spot open for you, and I know that you can do it. Just sign this line and I'll give you at least a ninety five percent chance that you're gonna get stationed over here and fucking Honolulu or some shit. Next thing, you know, you're in Vermont somewhere, you know, for the next few years.

It's like, yeah, it's your first school and you're like, wait a minute, electrician school.

I signed up to be this.

And it's like your recruiter fucked you. I don't know how else to tell you this, homie. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, the recruiters laughing his way to the bank, you know, oh yeah, he's good. As long as he meets his quotas, he's fine. And it's not even like they get bonuses.

Right, that the recruiters are a salesman.

Well, and that's the thing, Like, you know, if you're going to be working for the car company, you would much rather be inside in the air conditioning. Just the most amount of work is your wrist, you know, moving around the pen a little bit, rather than being outside working on car berators in one hundred and twenty degrees and.

No shade or and you know what I mean.

And so I get why people would much rather be a recruiter than out there in the field.

But now back to the point.

Most of our medical innovations, and I don't mean big pharma, I mean like surgery and medical innovations were created and developed because of things that happen on battlefields. Most of our travel and logistics, trains, planes, cars.

Trains, planes, and homobiles.

All of this has been advanced because of warfare, right, Hell, even our postal service was advanced to the level that it is now because of warfare. Again, it's an uncomfortable truth, and I understand why people have so much trepidation and strong opinions towards warfare. I completely get it, I do.

Going to fund this research the most? You see what I'm saying.

Yeah, but you know, you can kind of really take that a bunch of different ways. Like if you look and I just looked up the total amount that we spent on the Iraq War, which was a twenty year war, there were nine hundred thousand people that died. I don't know if that's on all sides or if that's.

Just we lost like seven thousand, they lost like four hundred thousand or something.

Crazy.

Well, this is from Brown Brown College, but uh, I think it's Berkeley, the two biggest liberal fucking hubs in the nation. But all right, I think it's saying in total nine hundred thousand people. Whatever the number of deaths is, let's just talk about the number here. So it says a report from the Cost of War Project at Brown University revealed that twenty years of post nine to eleven wars have cost the US and estimated eight trillion dollars. So you want to talk about like the amount of

So where is that money better spent? Is it better spent on a I don't know, on a fucking whatever, like some guns or some bombs, or some helicopters, some fucking aircraft whatever.

Is it better spent on that?

As far as just up, I don't know, like helping the economy, or imagine that eight trillion dollars somehow infused into the economy. Maybe you take that eight trillion dollars and say, you know what, American people, I mean.

This is a fucking pipe dreaming. It will never happen.

But if you say, look, we got this extra eight trillion dollars, We're not going to charge your taxes for the next three years, Like.

Let's just throw it out there.

Imagine how much that would stimulate the economy. Imagine how much that would stimulate growth. Imagine how much that would benefit literally every single household. But no, and I'm I don't know if three years would be enough. Let's just say one year for shits and gigs, But imagine how much that would help, you know what I mean. So you can make the argument the war is good for

Oh, let's talk about China in their quote unquote advancement. They can't feed their fucking people. The fact that America put tariffs on Soy, they are having massive starvation.

That's a that's a communist thing. I'm talking about just the actual country itself. If you look there, dude, I'm talking about like.

And they have taken from us and that's been confirmed.

Well it's unfortunate because you look around. I don't fucking see any of that around here, dude, any starvation I know?

Praise God.

Oh man, Okay, Now what technology does China have that we don't?

Bro? What are you talking about?

I mean, have you looked, like, yes, like the technology dude, the shit that they have over there is like what light years ahead of what we have.

You are very very mistaken.

Name one thing that they had that we don't due.

No, I'm not mistaken. I've seen videos of people going over there and saying, oh my god, everything that we were taught about China is totally wrong.

Now. Communism sucks.

I'm not even talking about that note, I'm talking about just the fucking well being, Like the city infrastructures, I mean, the fucking electric grid, everything is like so much more advanced.

Of China still heats their home with coal pellets. When the Beijing Olympics took down over there, when Michael Phelps is over there in Beijing, they had to actually let people freeze so that they could clean up the air enough to not let the fucking smog of the of the city be as pollutant as it is. The entire city looks like it has fog twenty four to seven from the coal smoke. What are you talking about? Beijing, that's the capital city of China, that's their main hub.

Dude.

That's like somebody saying, well, look how shitty America is doing just by looking at DC, Like, that's not a fair assessment. You cannot compare DC to Beijing, or New York City to Beijing. It is not even a fucking apples to apples comparison, New York City is doing leaps and bounds better even with all.

Of their trash and shit.

Then Beijing is doing just on pollution alone. Wow, electrical grid bro According to according to Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, there's an article that says, wake up America, China is overtaking the United States and innovation capacity. So like overtaking it. Yeah, but that's because they hold the reins. As far as the precious minerals is concerned.

You want to talk about the most technologically advanced countries, we are in literally the middle of the pack. This is coming from World Populationreview dot com. Now you consider and say that all these websites are fake news and they're liberal leaning or whatever, like how do you how do we know what the fuck is real? Or whatever? Right like?

And so you have dude, even like China, like it's talk about time about is India ahead of us on that list? And this will be a really good comparison, no far as it's not.

No, no, And I'm not saying that we're at the bottom. We're actually towards the top. But there are three there are at least three countries that are ahead of us as far as technologically being technologically advanced. This is as per twenty twenty four, China, South Korea, and Japan.

I would believe South Korea and Japan. I would believe those two. I would need to see a little bit more data.

So they give they give technologically advanced scores, and on this chart we coming forth as far as technological advancement, and they give them scores right, and so obviously it's going to be graded on a curve. Otherwise there wouldn't be somebody with one hundred at the top right, And so Japan scored one hundred, one hundred right at the top right, South Korea, South Korea at ninety nine point five, China at ninety six point one, and then you got

Because we've had a massive brain drain here recently. There's a lot of people that send their kids to American colleges to get education and then they go back to their home countries to advance them. And that's fine, I understand that, But it used to be that these people will come from all over the world and stay in the mirror.

You want to talk about human capital. As far as the education scores, we can really go there, and we are not even we're not even in the top twenty.

Well, when you look at that, you're not looking at colleges, you're looking at the public schools in America, which, yeah, if you're looking at that as compared to a lot of other nations, yet we are lacking.

Interesting how Japan is the most technologically advanced and they also have the top education scores.

Yeah. Interesting. Has also reasons for this, Jonathan, there's reasons for this. We didn't allow Japan to have a military for decades. They have only recently re entered the conversation as far as starting their own military. So for decades we literally let them just work on themselves and we gave them our military protection. Followed by they were able to advance.

So the education scores, it goes Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada is even ahead of US, Norway, the Netherlands, Finland, Australia, the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Austria, South Korea, New Zealand, Luxembourg, Ireland, Singapore, Italy, Iceland and then the United States.

Yeah, I could believe that for sure.

Bro, We're letting fucking Iceland take us over come. Yeah, look at the population of Iceland, all right, Well how about the UK. Look at the population of the UK. And they got their own problems. Yeah, they might have as an education, but we don't have half of our population naming our kids Mohammed. So you know, there's that.

Austria, it's pretty sizable. It's not tiny. Germany not tiny.

No, they put a Germany puts a very big emphasis on their education, so does France and Belgium. They treat the fucking middle schools like college like and that's crazy. And that's the difference.

The difference is is that we have a school system and it's only getting worse, like one hundred percent. Our school system is absolutely getting worse, right, And the school system was literally built for factory workers. It was not made for us to be, you know, technologically literate. It was not made for us to be able to become business owners and to become leader leaders of the world.

Ten dollars an hour.

I don't blame the people at McDonald's for making shitty sandwiches and not giving a fuck about what they're making. Because they're making they're they're making no money, you know what I mean. You have to have a reason to to to want to move forward. You have to have a reason, like there has to be some form of advancement proposition here. But the school system only built factory workers.

Sure, but it's like you just said, that would never happen. That would never happen. They would never reallocate the funds for that purpose. Hell, we can't even agree to cut off foreign spending for dumb shit. We can't even agree that, well we can't. Trump just sent or is trying to send twenty billion dollars to Argentina for no fucking reason other than to prop up the Argentinian government that money

Well, I think that that's to be honest, dude, I think that this entire country is built on a fucking it's a house of cards.

Like That's really, We're not the only one, dude. We're not the only country that sends money like this. We're not the only country that spends on their military like this. Yeah, but nobody does. It's to the level that we do it because we are, in fact, top dog on that. To our military is the best. And that's what's up.

We're so much the top dog that we want to give away all of our money.

Meanwhile, fuckings, I'm not going there.

I'm not knowing that I.

Agree that we shouldn't give away money like that. I don't like that at all. I for one, especially if we keep talking about military spending and the budget and how they have to take away from other projects to boost up the military and all that. Fine, fine, so stop spending money on foreign nations and spend that money to balance our own checkbooks, put it into the education system, put it into healthcare, all these things. It's never gonna happen. Look, it's how this works.

If you are the big dick of the world, if you are the bully of the world. I don't know about you, but whenever I saw bullies in school, I don't remember those bullies handing away their lunch money to the kids that.

They picked on.

No.

No, and that's what we're doing. No. But I bet the bully was handing over lunch money to other people that was allies of theirs. I doubt that.

Well.

No, I guess in the case of the school yard bully, maybe that's a bit of a contrived example for this one.

But no, I mean, I.

Agree that fucking Israel is the bully, and they're clearly clearly. But honestly, there is some real shit about that, which we'll cover at a later date.

But anyway, I would not look more into the Katari money that's being spent in the US milit Millit you do everything in your power to way is it the focus from Israel? It is like it's astounding No, no, no, and we're not gonna start the whole Israel conversation here. We're talking about a fucking Cold War era under ice bunker here. But what I'm saying is as much shit as we talk about Israel, which that does deserve its conversation.

Not trying to dissuade that so many people are missing.

Everybody's talking Apak, nobody's talking nor pack, nobody's talking about Qatar. Is its mind blowing to me that people are so cool with tunnel visionally in on one of these rather than looking at the whole scope. That's all I'm saying.

Whenever Qatar sends their money, do they have to do they have to label it as foreign aid? U? You know what, Israel is the only country that we accept any kind of help, any help in quotations, any kind of money from a foreign country that doesn't have to label itself as a foreign entity.

It doesn't have to label itself as a foreign ency.

No.

Yeah, that's what a pack is. That's right, because it goes to the lobbyist groups, and there's a Katari lobbyist group.

I just I wonder if it has to label itself as foreign aid. I don't know, but I would like to look into it. As far as my understanding goes. Israel is the only one that doesn't have to label as foreign entity, like as foreign funding.

We should look into it more, dude, And I checked.

The last time I checked.

I don't think that there's dual citizenship to fucking Saudi Arabia.

You mean the UAE. Sure, that's where Qatar is.

The Qatar is, Yeah, I get a mix up, same fucking thing to me, But you know what I.

Mean, It's like, are they from Zimbabwe or no? I'm just kidding. No, no, no. But until the whole point about the war being good for the nation, Okay, listen, I understand that war is not a pretty thing and it's not something that we should be idolizing. I can agree with this point, but then again, every nation has benefited from war in some way, shape or form at some point in their history. And the day that America stops having the strongest military is the day that we will

I mean it's possible. Hell yeah, I guess I'm wrong. Several politicians hold dual citizenship that includes the UAE, often due to their contributions to the country's economy or their heritage. However, specific names and details may vary, and it's important to note that laws regarding dual citizenship can differ by country. All right, well, we should be looking into fucking all of them, then.

Thank you, thank you. That's literally all I've been saying.

I know people think that I'm a cook for Israel, and it's like, bro, I'm not even trying to be that way. I'm saying there is way more fucker real foot than just Israel. I get it. But you you are.

You're real quick to pull the trigger on everybody else except for Israel. You know that you have a fucking soft spot for Israel for some god forsaken reason.

It's not even it's not even gonna have a soft spot for Israel, dude, i'mna be honest with you, it's not even that. It is because everybody is so quick to pull the trigger on Israel. I feel like I have to be that one person be like, hey, wait a minute, what about this thing over here? Like I'm not trying to take beyond that.

No, it has to be beyond that, because if everybody was like tits up against China, you would jump right on board. We're talking about, like you trying to tell me that you would try and level the playing field if everybody was against China, you'd be like, well, hold on, it's not just China. What I know, fucking Canada or something.

No, no, no, how many times when China gets brought up, I bring up almost instantly, North Korea, Russia, Iran. No. I mean, I don't know, dude, And I'm trying to keep it as fair and balanced as I can. But by doing that, I make myself look like I'm a some sort of a net and Yahoo cock writer, and it's like, no, fuck that in Yahoo, dude. I am not trying to be that guy. And I'm not even trying to be the pro Israel voice on here, the

I have really enjoyed the fallout from people like there there are people that are waking up on both sides, on all sides, because I don't even want to it's not even just two sides, because I believe that there are there are the left wingers, there are the right wingers, and then there are the people that say fuck both wings.

And that's you know, just with looking at all this.

But but one thing that I have found is that there are a lot of people that are kind of like saying, fuck both sides, and they're like, if any single one of these politicians has accepted a single dollar from APEC, I'm not voting for them. And I think that that's that's a beautiful thing. And I think that you know, if.

You just wake up to that tiny little thing, that one little tiny.

Speck of a detail, especially Gavin Newsom who's taken in a lot of money.

And somebody was like, oh, yeah, I'm not.

I'm not taking in any money from from a pack and and Gavin Newsom was like.

Oh, that's funny. You know, it's it's just it's just weird.

I you know, I I never even thought about the money that I've received from a pack.

It's not something that's on my mind. And I'm like, you piece of shit. And all of them are.

Keep in mind, dude.

Ted Cruz and Gavin Newsom, extremists on either side of the wing of that bird are both taking tons of money from Israel. Yep.

Like that that's the big picture here.

Whe It's like, well, I'm not voting for h if they take money from Israel. Good luck finding one that's been in office for more than two terms that isn't.

Ted Cruz believes that it's our duty, like as well, not our duty. Well, I don't know the Christian duty to look out for Israel.

Two man, there's a lot of disagree with that. No, I believe that, yeah, yeah, And there's I know Christians who personally believe that, like they take any offense to Israel as an offense to them. Meanwhile, I am not a part of that group. I'm a Christian that believes that, yes, Israel might be the Holy Land, but the people that live there are not the people that they are talking about necessarily at all sections of the Bible, right, there's an arc of a new Covenant that we live under now.

The crazy thing to me is is that if God created everything, how is everything not holy? How is one spec on a map the only holy place?

No?

No, I can agree with that. I believe the entire earth is holy. I'm with you on that. However, Jesus didn't walk in Louisiana. You see what I'm saying. Well, he walked in Jerusalem and Bethlehem and Nazareth, in Capernaum. I mean, these are places that I think hold a different type of resonance, if you will. Yeah, But he's omnipresent,

I didn't say that.

I am saying that there are specific places where he did walk, and there are places that he did not walk. I feel like the places he did walk, like the Jordan River, Like I before I die, I would love to get baptized in the Jordan River for no reason. It's not gonna make me a better Christian. It's not gonna guarantee my way into Heaven. I don't believe that that's how that goes. I've already been baptized. It's as far as what that could mean. That's already been done

Man, No, I get it just for his historical meaning. But anyway, all right, I feel like we have veered all the way off the beaten path here.

Do you want to get back to what happens to German Project ice Worm?

Good?

God, we've been We've been on this for like I think we got through fifteen minutes of talking about Project ice Worm and then we went off on a tangent about this. But that's fine, Listen, I understand that people are not going to agree with big military. I am of the belief that we must, not should, must have the strongest military on earth. And if you look at the tech that our military has right now, we are far exceeding our competitors by at least fifty years, Like

Good for you, hommy.

You know what the issue that I have, and we're going to get back to it. But the issue that I have, and I know that a lot of people were so stoked that Trump changed the name, But if you think about it, I think he's kind of trying to make my point here that you know, we switched it from the Department of Defense to the part to the Department of War. And if you think about it, if if we are just defending, then that means we are not offending. But whenever you then become the Department

I personally believe that we should have a Department of Defense and a Department of Offense.

That's just me. I believe we should have two separate.

Departments always done in the name of the Guard and Homeland Security and Coastguard things, and the other one should be when we go and do things to function up.

I think we should have two separate departments. I agree.

I'm just saying Trump is fulfilling the fucking Jewish prophecy right now. Brother, That's all I'm saying. What No, the Jewish prophecy says that no one's gonna help Israel when the time comes, He's the Messiah for that to happen. That means that America would help Israel when that time came for the prophecy to be fulfilled. No one is going to help Israel when the time comes. We uh, well, except for the Savior that's going to bring together all nations. No, oh, okay,

No one.

I guess that remains to be seen.

I'm starting to buy more and more and more into what Brandon curl saying. I'm not even religious, but I think that they're propping him up as that figure. Like I do believe that the Eskaton is an absolutely real thing, and I think that it's entirely all made up. I think that the fucking story about oh it's prophesied that this, I personally think that it's like, no, this was their playbook, and they are trying to live up to their playbook, you know, like I think that they're trying to They

That's just how I look at it. I could see the argument for sure, and I believe that when the end times finally do come, it's not going to be because humans made it come. It's all going to be according to the plan, and humans are not going to have any kind of hand to play in that. That's just my personal take.

That's the thing.

Whenever it's like these people that are performing the red heifer sacrifice and all that as a way to bring it about, I'm over here like, y'all is so dumb. You are so dumb. You are trying to do this before the temple is even built. You're trying to do this before all these other things come into play. And it's like, big dog, what are you doing. This is literally putting the car before the horse and trying to tell me that it's more efficient.

Well, if you think about it, you know, I mean, what is going to bring about the Messiah? Just from the Jewish understanding, because I personally I don't know if I believe that the Christians are the one that are trying to bring about the escaton, I think that it's probably a Jewish thing.

The red Heifer sacrifice was done by Messianic Jews. These are Jews that recognize Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviors. So therefore they're Christians.

No, But my point is is that they're not so much worried about fulfilling the Christian prophecy as much as they are about fulfilling the Jewish prophecies right about the coming Messiah, Like if we just shift our focus to like, all right, I understand that there are a lot of Christians who listen to this podcast, but if you look at seeing the world from the vantage point from I'm not even just saying your typical Jew. Let's just say

Let's look into the Bible, let's look at the playbook. I agree, everybody, please read your Bible daily. I could not agree more with you, Jonathan. But to your point, the founding of the Nation of Israel was seen as a move towards escaton because the Nation of Israel had to be re established before the endtime conversation could ever come about.

There's this guy I want you to look into at some point, maybe we'll do a whole episode on him.

His Have you ever heard of the name Theodore Herzel? Yeah? I think it's Hurtzel or Herzel. I've heard both, but yeah, probably both. I don't know.

This is the guy that created Zionism, Yeah, Like he is the founder of Zionism. And by the way, he was not a religious person. He was actually an atheist.

So the idea that the people are, you know, Zionism is a good thing, and of course Israel needs their own land and all this shit. Meanwhile, the fucking guy that created it didn't do it for religion. Okay, he did it because the Jews kept on getting kicked out of all these countries. Whether you believe it was the right thing that they are getting kicked out or not, the point is that they didn't have a land, and they were they were roaming everywhere, right, and there seemed

But that's the point.

Zionism in and of itself, right, is just the fact that you believe that Israel.

As a nation should exist.

Now, the ultra Zionism is where you believe that Israel can do no wrong because they're Israel, and that they are somehow better than everyone else, including America, because they're Israel. There's a difference here. It's the same thing, like a feminist versus an ultra feminist. A feminist means that you believe that women should get paid equal to men for the same job.

Like who can disagree with this?

Ultra feminism means that you believe that a woman is inherently better than a man because she's a woman. That That's not what Hurtzel was after whenever he found it Zionism. He just wanted the Jews to have a land to call their own, the same way that I believe the Kords should have a land to call their own.

Kurdistan should be a nation.

I believe that, And there's no like, I don't know if there's some sort of movement on that regard, Like you would use the term Zionism for Israel, I don't know what there is for Kurds. But yeah, I could believe that. You know that, I actually agree with you.

And I'll say that I would say that even the Pastafarians deserve their own land. And I'll say that the eclectics out there that are practicing all this paganism, give them their own land.

You know, Let's just give everybody that has a belief their own land. They deserve it. They deserve that, Jacob.

If you think about all the Pagans that were sacrificed in the name, I'm not even gonna go there, but you think about it. Are people were kick out, these people were slaughtered, These people were quote unquote disturbances in certain lands.

Let's give them a fucking land too, So real quick, the Kurds are already in one section of the world, and they had been for a very very very long time. It's not like they're all scattered about to Russia and Europe and African all that. They're already in the place. It's just split across four different nations. Okay. The Jews, their land has always been Israel, although people disagree with that fact, but like that is the way it's been

They just believe, well, their God's chosen people, they deserve a land if anybody deserves a land. My suggestion is is that, look, if I wear a colander in my fucking driver's license photo, I deserve my own blot of land. Give me one of those islands that they just found, like, I'll take take one of those.

Then you and the Pastafarians can go buy that land and declare it as your own independence, sovereign nation, and whatever nation owned it beforehand, they will come after you, so be prepared to defend it. And if you can successfully defend it, it sounds like now Pastafarians have their own.

Nation well, and and what I will do as a Pasafarian is is that I will. Of course, I'm going to get an island to where I can drill like a bunch of oil. And then when the money that I make from that oil, I'm gonna funnel it into the United States. And I'm going to tell the United States, Hey, if anybody says anything wrong about us Pastafarians, here's what's gonna need to happen. Like, you are not allowed to

No, no, if y'all as Pastafarians can get that kind of oil money and can bankroll it like that, I wish you the best of luck, dude.

And I also want to make sure that there are lots of US politicians that have dual citizenship to pasta Pastafarian land, pasta Farania.

There we go Pastafarania, Yeah, Postinia, Pantera whatever or Panera whatever. Paneras actually really good, but it's not. It's overpriced hospital food.

No, I agree, And I feel the same way about Olive Garden. I know it's just a major chain or whatever, but I fucking love that tour of Italy.

Dude, I can slam that all day anyway.

All right, all right, so sorry, now we are officially getting back on track.

Ice worm. God, what a weird tangent we took to go from military industrial complex to warfare to Israel, all while talking about Cold War secret missions and things. It all leads to the Jews. Brother, it really shouldn't, and more often it doesn't. But depending on who you ask, like Ian Carroll, he'll tell you everything leads back to the Jews.

It's a game. It's a game.

Literally, name anything that's wrong in your life right now, and in three statements, I bet you could blame Israel for it, the same way that it's been done towards the Gypsies and witches and Gnostics.

And the Huns.

I mean, it's been done towards groups that you just anybody has an issue with.

Yeah, but we don't talk about those genocides, only talk about the one main genocide that everybody's allowed to. You know, I'm not going there either. I'm not going there either. Okay, let's get back to it.

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R or UAVSAR.

I don't know if that's even how you pronounce the acronym. It doesn't matter to measure ice sheet thickness in Antarctica and refine estimates of future sea level rise. The usefulness of uav SA R image of Camp Centry is still unclear, but the unexpected direction was certainly a blast from the past. Uh So, all right, this is just them talking about the discovery thereof and some of the backstory to it. But now let's get to a little more information about

A total of twenty one trenches were built and covered with the arched ice roofs. Under these, prefabricated buildings were placed. Although most of the tunnels were simply dug into the ice, hence the name ice worm, other surface quarters were built using wood and steel. The strange underground colony had all

So, as we were learning here, the facility was meant to be like the primo as far as nuclear facilities can go. And this was the first portable nuclear reactor ever constructed on Earth. Once again, warfare, whether it's sub tertiary or mainline, does breed the basics of technological advancement.

Right, But it wasn't set up the right way. And when that nuclear.

Reactor dropped five feet, Remember how I told you in the beginning, any small they had to find a place that was flat and level. That's why they chose this site in particular. When this dropped five feet, that is not a little bit. Two inches of deviation is enough to fuck up everything as far as a nuclear reactor is concerned. Five feet Yeah, no, this is the risk for a nuclear catastrophe in Greenland was too great and they had to scrub the whole project. Yeah, that's a crazy slide.

And I will say, dude, just the idea of like, we wouldn't have been able to get to this point if it wasn't for military.

You could always make an argument for that.

But whenever you're all like, if you think about it, depending on what you believe, even let's just take it to area fifty one one. So like the idea of area fifty one. You know, whether we recovered advanced technologies from other worlds or whatever, let's just say that we did.

Right.

If we did recover you know, those kind of advanced technologies and then you know, turned it into our own, it's always for military reasons, Like, it's never for the better the betterment of humanity. It's always for how can we turn it into a weapon to like just fuck

Yes, you're correct, that is, warfare and combat have been the reasons for any major technological it's not just in our lifetime kind of thing. The Bronze Age when they realize, Bro, if you mix copper it super soft intent, it's super brittle. You get this shit called bronze first order of business. Bro, can we make stords out of that shit? That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, we don't have to be barbaric in order to advance, is my point. People don't are we humans or are we not?

That is how it's been done. I don't know about you, but I'm only temporarily a human.

Okay, And while you're here, you are, in fact, your body anyway is kind of on the hook to the laws of humanity, right, And unfortunately it's not a pretty fact, but it is still a fact that warfare is what breeds technological innovation.

It's the it's just the only thing that people have cared about, so of course it's gonna be the only thing that breeds technological innovation. Like if all look, if all you, let's just say that the let's for shits and giggles, let's say that the military industrial complex was the uh, I don't know, the Adam and Eve complex, okay, And all you are worried about is just fucking and

Right.

So now the Adam and Eve industry, they say, oh my god, we are making so much money from all these people. Fucking let's keep on advancing. We want them to keep on fucking because if they ever find out that, like you know, look, if you touch it too much, it starts to.

It starts to fade away or something.

Is that you know what I mean, Like, maybe it's a fad that eventually dies out with people fucking these blow up dolls. So we got to keep on advancing these dolls, and we're gonna make it more realistic and more realistic and more realistic. Like of course you're going to advance, like technology will always advance if there is the money and the need.

Is my point.

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Just use that promo code called it check out. Indeed, but yes, I believe that human human civilization would have caught up without warfare. What I will say is that warfare puts a real fire under the asses of engineers and scientists to create marvels as far as it goes. And to your point, like I said earlier, Japan is number one on earth as far as technological advancement goes.

That's the point, right, And Japan didn't have to go out and like put their nose in other people's business in order to technologically advance, right.

Because we were doing it for them. Exactly. It was South Korea.

Because they had a good defense, right, which was US, which was a defense And I don't remember, I mean, it's it's probably been a little while since we, uh, we started some kind of offense for Japan, Like we've always just been defenders for them ever since, you know, the whole fallout, right, Like, so, in theory, a good defense will allow technological advancement beyond just military means. Right, It's kind of the point you're trying to make.

But what I'm saying is that Japan didn't have to start using some of their resources and their money to bolster a military because they didn't have to have a military. They weren't allowed to. That's my point. So as far as like the money allocations and how we could be using it for this or could be using it for that, sure that could work. Just look at South Korea, look

But imagine if we weren't fighting everybody else's worse for them and we only focused on America. Imagine how far we would be able to go. But the problem with that is is that, of course, you know, other countries rule us. So that's just how that goes, not exactly, non exactly in politics, Like that's a fact.

Just talked about this.

Let's get back to it.

Let's get dude, it's minutes without bringing up Israel, It's gonna be great, all right, we just talked about Qatar.

But yes, it's obviously Israel.

Clearly it was at one point.

Yes they're an Obama.

It's dude, like, I don't know what you're not seeing. You need to look at the math on how much money is being spent from Qatar before we started talking about the Israel thing. Where's the Israel has its long time hooks APAC and the dual citizenship thing. That is a thing for Israel. Yes, Qatar has only become really in the conversation as far as money goes, in the last twenty years, maybe thirty if we're going to be very generous here. So they haven't gotten the long time

In nineteen ninety seven, Denmark conducted a scientific visit to Camp Century. By then, the DANIUS government had declassified documents regarding what it knew about the military activities.

Of the US Army during my sixties.

The title of one of these documents was Strategic Value of the Greenland Ice cop It contained valuable information about the objectives the US had pursued by establishing the Sula Air Base and Camp Century facilities. Government officials were astonished when they found out that the scimatics of Camp Century were very different from those that were publicly shown to people in the sixties when the supposed scientific research center began construction. Camp Century was not what they had thought.

All right, thank you too, Dark Docks for doing a pretty solid deep dive on this one. Now let's move into alt All that's history of Jesus Christ. I can't read today. All that's interesting dot com. Project ice Worm America's Cold War plot to build a nuclear city underneath Greenland. Let's get into it here. Are you gonna read this one? Or am I reading this one too? Oh? Yeah? Go ahead? Okay?

Cool.

Project ice Worm envisioned a sprawling underground city in Greenland where the US could house six hundred nuclear missiles, but the project was shut down after less than a decade. And again we're gonna kind of reiterate on a couple of things here. But for four short years after developing the first atomic bomb in nineteen forty five, the United

By the nineteen fifties, the.

Cold War had began to gain steam as both the United States and the Soviet Union had nuclear weapons. But strong nuclear missiles in the United States came with significant risks as those locations could be attacked, so at the end of the decade, the US Army came up with the plan to build a secret nuke missile facility in Greenland.

The missile force is hidden and elusive.

The report recorded by the Atomic Heritage Foundation stated, it is deployed into an extensive cut and cover tunnel network in which men and missiles are protected from weather and to a degree from enemy attack. The deployment is invulnerable to all but massive attacks, and even then most of the force can be launched. Concealment and var variability of the deployment patterns are exploited to prevent the enemy from targeting the critical enemy.

Elements of the force.

Good God, According to the Atomic Heritage Foundation, the US floated the idea of the facility to Denmark in nineteen fifty eight. When the Danish were noncommittal in their response, the Americans decided to move forward with Project ice Worm. But Project ice Worm only worked if no one suspected the hidden ballistic missiles, so the army invented a cover story. Now we're getting to Camp Century, the nuclear city under the ice.

In fifty eight, the.

Construction began at Camp Century, a scientific research site quote unquote run by the Americans, But the scientific site was a cover for the sprawling underground nuclear facility built under Project Ice Worm. Is a picture of them with their drill rig building Camp Sentry post challenges from the beginning. First, engineers had to build a road through the ice. Then they had to transport thousands of tons of supplies via bob sleds, which could only move at two miles per hour.

The environment in Greenland was harsh.

On the best days, the temperatures could hit negative seventy degrees fahrenheit, and winds whipped by at one hundred twenty miles per hour. Ultimately, Camp Century proved to be more trouble than it was worth. The facility single nuclear reactor only functioned for thirty three months, and the nuclear city mint Towo House eleven thousand never had more than two hundred inhabitants only thirty three months, say.

Only thirty three months due not even three whole years.

But I see where you're going with this, And yes, I thought you were going to say something about the Thule Air Base. Well, I doubt that there's any relation there, But I don't know. There's a relation for thirty three months, but not to Thule Air Base. Oh yeah, it might be something to it.

I don't I don't know.

I'm just saying. Yeah, the military canceled Project ice Worm in nineteen sixty three, though the public didn't learn the truth about Camp Century until the nineteen nineties. But the top secret military project would have long lasting implications for the entire world. So now let's talk about this waste, which is going to become a problem whether we like it or not. And this is again, I'm not saying that global warming is caused by humanity. I really don't

That, yeah, the earth is in fact heating up.

The ice sheet is in fact melting right now, and yes it will go through a period of freezing as well, but as of this very moment, it is melting.

That's kind of leading to problems.

Well that's probably the natural cycle.

But but I will say that the did you know that just recently the people over in UK have all, you know, put this app on their phone, right And I don't know if it was something that was like an update that put it on their phone like against their will, or if it's something that they downloaded, but right now they can, oh what's the term, they can, you know, try to play in this new program.

Right.

It's not necessarily something that's being pushed, but it's talking about about whenever you walk around, your phone is constantly documenting like all your actions and your spending and shit like that, and it says for each action, it'll show you the allotted amount of carbon that was emitted from your actions, right, and so it's like well this, you know, this action you you ran or whatever you went for a jog and that caused eighty three more micrograms of

Bro, Like it's crazy. Just past that law. And now they're bringing about a social credit score in the UK with their Digital Governance Initiative or whatever the fuck it's called. That's happening now. Yeah, we're I mean, I don't think we're very far behind. And to be honest, I think that the look, we tried to sound the alarm, and we're just one podcast amongst thousands of podcasts that were

I think that all this carbon shit and the social credit system that is coming here on, I don't know if it's gonna happen next year. I don't know if it's gonna happen five years from now, ten years from now. It's coming like it is, it's not an if it's a win.

Well, I'm hoping it doesn't here. And the reason why this passed in England is because like for instance, they're monitoring what they're posting online and now that's going to play into their bank accounts because the social credit system and all these things, right, they don't have freedom of speech in the British Commonwealth.

We do here.

So I'm hoping that maybe America could learn from our you know, homies across the pond and be like, hey, that's a really dumb idea. We don't want to do that, because again, China put that in years ago and they have been horrible to their people because of it. Now UK's following suit because of the anti Islamic movement and they don't like that in the governments and now they're going to monitor people and say what they want to say. It's it's ridiculous.

Credit system in China was I believe it started in twenty seventeen, if I'm not mistaken, it was like really not that long ago in the scope of things, right, And now other countries are starting to do it. I'm saying it's a fucking domino effect, like people are going to see, like governments are going to see that there is some kind of monetary benefit that's all they need.

Well it's not even that, dude, Yes it is, but there's more to it. Look at China, they are doing it not only in their own country. They have multiple China Chinese Secret police outposts in America to bag and tag Chinese nationals that happen to be here for school or whatever, to ship them back home for you know, prison if they post too many anti communist sentiments on their social media. While in America, the UK is going

I think that, like, yeah, there are certain countries that are absolutely going through it right now, but one the United States gets on that train, the world's fucked.

I agree, And I hope that America stays America. You know, that's just my hope. America. Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of faith in it. Well, to be fair, I don't have a lot of faith in humanity, not just America. I don't have faith in just the human race to do well by itself. It just it's the math is the math on this one.

I mean, we had a good.

Run, you know.

I mean I.

I put it on governments personally, both.

I think it's both at the same time.

Honestly, the governments are doing there the lion's share of the bad shit to the population, but the population is also not doing themselves any favors.

Well, I mean, of course, the population is not doing themselves any favors whenever they're being poisoned and MK ultra it into believing that there is lack.

Yeah, yeah, it's very true. But I mean we're also living the day and age of information. It doesn't take anybody with a brainstem that long to google and find exactly what the fuck they're looking for, whether it's good information or bad information. But my point is that a lot of people are not doing any kind of digging

Well, it's a lot of biased kind of stuff exactly. You know, it's echo chamber kind of things. And unfortunately

It's a matrix. Absolutely is it, absolutely is, all right, So now let's get into it here.

The Cold War waste beneath the ice.

After ending Project ice Worm, Camp Century continue to operate on a limited basis until nineteen sixty six, with an annual snowfall of four feet. However, the abandoned nuclear city was increasingly married under snow and ice. Its tunnels eventually collapsed, and the US Army moved out for good. But they left tons of hazardous wiste behind. And no, I don't mean tons in the figuratives, and I mean the literal sense. The Army thought that the new snow would bury the

Now, I gotta keep in mind the nineteen.

Sixties, dude, they believe that global cooling was a thing. They thought that we were on the precipice of another ice age, right, because that's what all of the experts were telling people.

All of these things.

We've read news articles and washed news reports of people back then talking about global cooling. Then they were thinking the scientists when they abandoned the site, they're like, oh, well, global cooling is a thing anyway, all of that's gonna basically be frozen in time and encapsulated, so fuck it,

It has to go through these cycles, almost like the Earth is, dare I say, reincarnating every few thousand years at a certain point, because it's shedding off. It's it's it's shutting off. It's like fucking cocoon at a certain point, like it is growing and then devolving and growing and then evolving. It's like the Earth has a fucking it's breathing, I think is I was gonna.

Say breathing, not reincarnating. I think it's inhaling and exhaling, if you will. But also has to go for the reason for the whole global warming thing. And I'm all about listen, you don't need to pollute the earth, like I can agree with that. We don't need to be pumping horrible chemicals into our air, into our water supply like that's horrible, right. I would like for my children to hunt and fish in the same land that I grew up hunting and fishing it, and my grandchildren and

Yeah, I agree, But I will say, like I actually stick more to I mean, maybe reincarnation of the Earth is you know, a bit of a drastic term, but the Earth has gone through like death phases if you think about it, like the Ice Age, I mean, fucking everything was dead, dude, everything like death.

For the most part. There was there was animals that survived it and people that survived it and shit. But yeah, to your point, most of the vegetation.

Was fucked right, right, and then it's gonna get to a warmer spot where it's going to you know, turn everything into desert at some point or something like that. Right, And then you look out in the desert, I mean, you don't see too many things living out there, you know, unless you're living in like Avasu City, where it's a beautiful oasis in the middle of fucking desert area all

Oh absolutely, I think it's like and I mean when you say we, when you're talking about like America, No, I mean humanity in general. Oh well, then no, humanity is saying basically, fuck the earth. If you look at the amount of waste that is produced from China, Russia and India, like right off the rip, you look at the amount of pollutants that they're putting into the air

It's pretty solid. Let's check it out.

Was one of the first units to be moved into the tunnel prepared to house it. When the condenser was slowly wedged forward, small track rollers supported its entire weight.

It's like Eisenhower's narrownax.

Still mounted on its special sled. The vapor container was eased down the ramp by three tractors, one in front pulling and two and back to keep it from slipping. To bear the weight of a vapor container, the reactor building was constructed around a framework of steel beams. The floor was of heavy planking mounted on other steel beams. We had to use hand rigging methods, the best we could do under the confined condition to put the nuclear

Real quick, you heard him say that everything had to be done within a tolerance of an eighth of an inch, because that's how serious it is that everything nuclear stays exactly where the fuck you put it. So within a few years a five foot drop. Yeah, they were looking at making a fucking greenland chernobyl if they didn't get this shit, you know, situated, and then they basically were like, ah, fuck it, we're done here, but anyway, we're going to continue.

The last buildings to be assembled were those that would contain the nuclear sections. These shells were built around the nuclear system equipment only after every major component had been put in place. The next phase was to be the activation of the nuclear power planet. Wearing the white safety hat is Captain Jim Barnett, in charge of this operation, who will tell you about this critical phase.

We took every call in the book and some that weren't there, to make sure this would work right the first time. When the entire system had been carefully tested, it was put into operation. We were then ready to begin loading the reactor core. One by one, the fuel elements were removed from the barrels in which they'd been shipped, carefully separated from one another. Each of these bars, containing approximately five hundred grams of uranium two thirty five, was

Within the next few weeks, the final touches were put to Camp Century today powered by its nuclear reactor. This unique installation is a completely modern community deep under the ice. This is a far cry from the primitive James Way huts of the work camp, where three showers serve two hundred and fifty men. Here there are showers for all and facilities for every modern convenience.

All right, So you could see how they the nuclear power cores was kind of the entire thing with this, right, That was the reactor that powered the entire facility, and that was what they told the Danish government that that's what they were doing as far as the uh, you know, as far as the the nuclear quote unquote side of this camp was concerned. However, that is not exactly accurate, because they were trying to house hundreds, if not thousands

But anyway, yeah, but if we look, I mean, you can't go to Iran to fight for nuclear power.

You need that oil. Baby, Well you're right, Well you can't go to Africa to fight for it. What would be your reason for going to war in the Middle East at that point? You know, I guess you're right. We got to keep that boogey man going, got to But.

Hey, but you know, war is good for the economy. You know, it's it puts it puts food on the table. You know, it's a double edged sword, dude, it absolutely is. But anyway, all right, so this article here is from a g a guppa bus a guppuss.

I can't pronounce the fucking word line library, what is it? Au pubs, AGU Pubs. So it looks like I think you might be onto something there. Anyway, we're gonna skip over the top because it just talks about reiterating what we've already covered. But I did want to get into the abandoned wastes that were left behind. Some of the measurements we're gonna skip over because it's in the scientific

It's a funck ton, all right.

It's tons of diesel, it's tons of radioactive waste and sewage water and all these things that they know are going to leach out. But we're gonna get to it all. But anyway, let's read. So where you want to start at. We first inventory.

We first inventory the nature and quantity of abandoned waste buried at the Camp Century site. Physical waste such as buildings and railway is approximately a lot, and chemical waste is estimated two to the tenth to the fifth power of leader of diesel fuel. And yeah, why don't you read that because I don't understand all this terminology.

I don't understand these either, two times ten to the fifth leaders of diesel fuel, which I understand. I appreciate them giving us the scientific breakdowns of it. Be like, yo, we we operate in freedom units here, what the fuck is that?

But all right?

And a non trivial quantity of polychlorinated bifenales or BCPs biological waste consists of, you know, there's a bunch of gray water, including sewage, disposed in unlined sumps.

Previously acknowledged radiological waste.

Coolant for the portable nuclear Generator had a bulk radioactivity of one point two times ten to the ninth bqes at the time of its disposal, which was between nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty three in an unline sump. While non trivial and absolute terms, this radiological waste is small compared to the less than four point six times ten to the twelfth bq accidentally dispersing in the vicinity of

And it's obviously not persistent.

Organic pollutants, including BCPs, are one of three broad classes of chemical toxins of global significance. Due to relatively low air temperatures which favor persistent POP, which is persistent organic pollutants deposition, the Arctic has so far been a global sink for pops released in the lower altitudes. Glacierized regions are now poised to become a POP source, however, as rapid warming there remobilizes pops that have been stored in

An impermeable firm.

The burial depth of refrozen sumps is less than certain, but is unlikely they are now shallower than sixty five meters deep.

A notable exception is diesel.

Fuel, which was stored in rigid tanks at tunnel depth and may even remain liquid to date. Although the tanks have likely ruptured. Independent airborne ice penetrating radar observation record strong anomalous reflections at locations and depths consistent with inferred tunnel positions and model waste depths. Unfortunately, these observations alone are insufficient to delineate the extent and depth of all

Bro?

The problem is that the Arctic is connected to all the other water on Earth. It's only gonna take a little bit of time before that disperses all the way around.

Can you imagine nuclear acid rain?

I don't want to. I don't want to. And I'm not even saying that that's a real possibility because of the amount that we're talking about here, but it adds to the overall problem, right. And we were just talking about how, if anything, America might be contributing a drop to the bucket.

This will be more like America adding a cup to the bucket. You see what I'm.

Saying right right. So anyway, let's see Camp sentry as built map georeference in nineteen sixty is the gray area here on this figure, and in twenty twenty the black locations based on past surveys of the borehole locations and horizon A advections associated with the ice flow. So this is pretty much what it was supposed to be and this is what it actually was. But either way it goes. It was a pretty sizable undertaking. Now let's talk about

Probably not, No, I mean, yeah, it's usually kicked the can down the road kind of situation whenever it comes to this kind of stuff.

Yeah, I mean so. Talking about the political context of all of this, now, the general existence of Camp century was understood by both the Danish and US governments, which together signed the nineteen fifty one Defense of Greenland Agreement under the auspices of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or NATO. The USACE reports acknowledged that the presence of Danish liaisons involved in the planning and environmental monitoring of Camp Century.

Water or dumped water if.

You say nuclear waste disposed of in the ocean, Interra bec Tarra becrels, which I've never even heard of that amount, But there you go.

So we should just make a mention of this.

America is not the top dog as far as polluting the earth goes. By this logic, Russia has dumped nearly forty thousand Tara beckrels into the ocean. UK is dumped over thirty five k. The United States has dumped under thirty five hundred. Yeah, we're a small fish in the sewage pond, but we also that is because we have an EPA and we actually give a fuck. Like, I understand, the heavy industry does pollute the earth, and I'm not

By the way, that that tara word is tarah beckrel. It's it represents one trillion.

Wow, one trillion what microns grams ounces? One trillion beckrels? I guess on whatever the q the beckrel that's the unit of measurement for like radioactive isotopes. I got you, so.

One trillion barrels or I don't know what it was referring to, but I just saw it, like what is what is terra?

And it's true? Got you? Got you?

But anyway, good cult members.

I thought it was an interesting conversation, right, Project ice Worm, the failed attempt at America to not only have a nuclear reactor powered camp under the ice in Greenland, but also the plan to house all a ton of nuclear weapons there. And of course it got abandoned because they really tried to fight Mother Nature on her home turf, and uh, they got shut up because of it. And now, maybe not now, maybe not in fifty years, maybe in a hundred years, America's gonna have to answer for the

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