#882- Near Death Experiences | What Does The Science Say?

Sean on for this show tonight. He wasn't able to. I was gonna try and make it like a cult ex meta kind of conversation, but he had some shit going on. That's totally fine. I'm still gonna bring the fucking meta hammer today. Okay, it's gonna get a little wild. I do want to say I'm under the weather. So if my voice sounds a little raspy or whatever, then just know, you know, I'm I'm I'm hammering through trying

to trying to make it happen. But and that's why I figured, you know what, at least we can talk about a topic that I have a lot of research into. I have a pretty pretty good understanding of what's going on. And we're gonna get weird today, sir, are you I am? Okay? So first off, we are going to be going on near death experiences. This is something that has been a passion of mine to to research and to try and understand, and so we have plenty of articles today that we're

going to be getting into. If you don't know what a near death experience is or an ND, it's basically somebody dies, you know, whether it's on you know, the the operating table or wherever. Most of them the ones that have been very well documented and and tried to poke and prod and and no it's not this, and

no it's not that it is this. It is that whatever certain claims can always be made if if it's just you at your house, right, But whenever you're on an operating table, then there's a lot that's that's a that's a different story. Right.

put it. And I like doing these kind of shows for mainly I like doing it so that people can just stop being scared to die, like I'm not. I'm of course you want to try and you know, push and postpone that as far as you can. But you know, most people today, in this day and age, are doing everything to get by, and they're operating on fear. And that fear is like, well what if I die and not?

You know what I mean, Like, it's always it's always something like they're they're operating out of fear, and I don't I don't like that because yes, death is unknown, uncharted territory, right, But at least I feel like these these stories, can you know, shed a little light on what may transpire once we die.

guess in some way I also have that. The fear of death, even as a youngster, has never made sense to me. It's like being afraid of taxes, like you're going to have to pay them regardless. Why are we afraid of them? It's inevitable exactly. And although and again religious dogma to the side. Here, aside from us not knowing what's on the other side, we have faith on what's on the other side, and some people have a conviction of knowing what's on the fine all the things

I understand that. It's like, if anything, is the fear of the unknown, right, I think that could be the closest connection to this. But because it's an inevitable unknown, it's not like a fear of skydiving, and if you never experienced it, you don't know what it's about. But it's also the fear of the unknown. This is an unknown that no matter what you do and how you live and whatever, you're going to be confronted with it eventually.

And I feel like that's people's biggest fear, is that because it is an inevitability and because there are so many unknowns around it, that's why they're scared. I don't know, but it's never really checked out to me, because it's like, if anything, shouldn't we just embrace it as a part of life. But I know I'm weird on that.

go to hell? Do we go to somewhere else? Do we do we even go anywhere? Right? Just trying to figure it all out, And one thing persisted. I mean the stories vary, I mean they they vary from A to Z bro and all the way back to A.

definitely not right. Then you have you know, your religious people that out there like, well you do, but if you do this right, and if you don't, then you get that And maybe that's true, but you know, this is as you said, it's gonna be taken away from the dogma and just showing that you know, we do, you know, continue on. So now I find that to be awesome personally, No, just just to know that we do go on after this body, you know, expires, it's pretty awesome.

wrote an article on him. I was like, oh my god, I had this guy on my show. I didn't know that he was famous. How about that?

above or passing through a tunnel of light. Reports of these experiences sometimes include religious or spiritual interpretations, and a fuel debates about whether a person's conscious can persist after death.

Some scientists dispute that NDEs reflect post mortem consciousness and have sought to explain them in terms of changes in brain function during the process of dying, as they would, right, right, and that's not it's not to take away from sciencests like their job is to try and understand how the brain is working physically. Right, So that being said, what

are near death experiences? So, thanks to advanced medical care, it has become increasingly common for people on the verge of dying to be revived and returned to normal consciousness even after their body has begun to shut down. A subset of these people recall episodes from the period of time before they awoke that are often extraordinary and personally meaningful.

The descriptions may include some details that are particular to the individual, such as seeing a family member, and others that appear in some version in many people's near death experience reports. So what does this say? So how is a near death experience defined? It says a near death experience is simply an experience that a person reports having had while in a physical state in which the risk

of death was imminent. Commonly, the person's heart temporarily ceased to function at some point prior to recovery, as after a heart attack. Reports of NDEs can include images, sensations, and other conscious elements that are often vivid and striking. So what are the common elements of a near death experience? The nature of a near death experience varies from case to case, but some features have appeared in multiple reports. Feelings of peacefulness or serenity are typical in NDE accounts.

They may also include vivid imagery such as a bright light, movement through a tunnel, or vision of events from one's past, also called a life review. Some NDEs include out of body experiences in which one feels removed from one's physical body, and some reports describe encounters with other beings such as

loved ones or anonymous entities perceived as angels. For some, the different elements of a near death experience may unfold in a in sequence, For example, passage into darkness, followed by a sense of leaving one's body and seeing it from outside, and then then an apparent encounter with a mysterious being, ultimately ending with a return to regular consciousness. Okay, so there's a beginning, there's a middle, there's an end. That's basically what they're trying to say, right, So, what

are some examples of near death experiences? This is just a short one, so says. In one reported near death experience, a man whose heart had stopped beating and who's shown no signs of brain activity was subsequently revived. Later, he recalled having a countered a compassionate being during the episode who gave him a feeling of warmth. In another case, a woman described a memory of floating above her body, looking down at the doctors who were treating her and

listening to what they had said. So most people would see that and be like, all right, I mean, can you clarify that? Can you prove that you did it? The answer is yes, Okay, this is why I say the operating table ones are studied, I mean fucking six

ways to Sunday, bro. And some people are left baffled, like I don't know what to do with this information, you know, like, how is it possible that this person died on the operating table and they were able to see exactly what procedure and what tools I was using. If I had a stain on my shirt, how would they able to see that they were dead. There's no

way they could have saw that. And even from the angle where they laid, they couldn't have known that because their heads all the way back there's they didn't lift their head up to look, you know. And so that's the talking point is that they believe that like these people are literally somehow their consciousness whatever you want to call it, is floating above where their body is laying there and is able to perceive reality as if it's still going.

very vivid detail, every aspect of their INDE. Right, And that being said, I wonder if there's something to do with how long they're out, Right, somebody who coded for five seconds as opposed to somebody who coded for five minutes, I feel like one would be I don't know, I don't know what the statistics are on this, to say that like one out of every ten heart attack patients or victims, whoever you want to call that has an NDE. Well, is that that one out of every ten codes for

eight minutes? And like there's eight minutes of no oxygen genated blood going to the brain, and like this was their response, and they did wake up. Like I wonder what kind of nuances we're looking at here.

want to rest your eyes for a little bit. And there's been times where I've laid down for ten minutes and I woke up and I thought that I I thought that I slept for eight hours because of the amount of dreams that I had, And it just doesn't make sense, you know. So I think that in this realm of the mind. Time is a non factor, or at least it's just vastly different.

potential brain based reasons for such vivid experiences. And of course, individuals who have survived in near death's state grapple with the meaning of their own experiences, and some report positive changes in their outlook on life and death. No matter the ultimate explanation for NDEs, experts encourage those close to these individuals to allow them to talk about these potentially

impactful experiences and to respond non judgmentally. So, how how do people how do people who have near death experiences interpret them? So, people who who have near death experiences may find religious significance in what they remember they might. They might conclude, for example, that an out of body experience in the sense of movement toward light represented their soul departing for heaven, or that they interacted with an angel or God. These details of these interpretations seem to

vary based on a person's religious background. For more broadly, people who have a NDE may feel that they have encountered something divine, a glimpse of the afterlife, or some other truth beyond the realm of normal.

prove that life continues after death. While NDEs are not fully understood, various potential explanations do not involve a disembodied consciousness have been explored. That being said, I mean, science can't prove one way or another a soul, a consciousness or whatever. Right, Like, they have a hard time with that.

on particular elements of near death experiences. For example, out of body experiences in NDEs may be accounted for by the disruption of the temporal parietal region key to the sense of embodiment as the brain approaches death, and some have suggested that the tunnel imagery of many NDEs is due to the effect of slowed down blood flow on the retinas. However, the neurological basis of NDEs is not yet fully understood, and some researchers are open to alternative

accounts that go beyond brain activity. That's what I'm interested in it because to say that you know your soul or your consciousness solely resides in your brain, that doesn't sound right. I what do you think?

DMT explain near death experiences. So one hypothesized explanation for near death experiences is that the body releases the hallucination inducing chemicals such as dimethyl trip tomine or DMT when it is near death, but this has yet to be established. There are similarities between experiences caused by hallucinogens and near death experiences. However, there is evidence that ketamine has effects that are more similar to NDEs than the effects of d MT. I wouldn't expect.

At the end of that. I know people that have got lost in k holes at raves and shit, and I know people that have tripped balls on DMT at raves. They have very very different reports at the end of it. So to say that these are comparable, I feel like that's trying to compare getting high to getting drunk, Like it's not the same conversation we're having. And I'm not saying one is necessarily better or necessarily worse. I'm saying it's very different.

practice goes, sometimes DMT is the cure. Sometimes ketamine sometimes just like talking about it and there's no one size fits all. Yeah, but again it's comparing ketamine to DMT. That is quite a claim.

He was like, what do you think? And I was like, Bro, honestly, I just feel fucking retarded. Like I feel like I feel like I got dumber. That's what I like. My brain wasn't working. I didn't necessarily feel an extreme intense sense of calm, nothing like that. But I don't maybe I didn't do enough. I don't know.

and get them singled not tunnel vision. They can focus not like it's not like it's aderall, but it like it shuts off the excess and then they kind of dumbs them down for lack of better words right now. I've also heard people that were already not gonna call names, but they were already not firing on all cylinders if you catch my drift, uh, and then they tried ketamine and they just got like retarded off of it. Then on the other side, you get the person that's brain

never stops firing and they're going crazy. They tried DMT. It's even more so you get the person that's kind of not firing on all the cylinders on DMT, all of a sudden, they're like firing on all cylinders. It's like the limitless drug for them, and like, what the fuck this is? This is how people think normally, and it's like, I mean not really, but like okay.

I am saying that out of a point of ignorance. I've only ever tried it once and it probably wasn't even enough, so don't take my word for that. Fair Fair that being said, it says, how are people affected by near death experiences? This is the most profound thing because it's one thing to say that, you know, a dream made you change your life. Not many people are saying that, you know, but a near death experience, people's

lives are turned upside down. Usually for the better. So near death experiences can leave a lasting impression on the person who has survived. Among the transformative effects described by those who had NDEs are an increased sense of purpose and appreciation and a reduced fee of death. If that's all that happens, that's what a blessing, bro right, you

know what I mean. So it says a person may report becoming more open and loving in the aftermath of an NDE, and in some cases, the person may perceive that they have gained intuitive abilities, such as seeming to know what someone is thinking or feeling. So telekinesis, well, telepathy, not telekenes excuse me, telecanes moving shit, my bad. So somebody comes out of a near death experience and they get like telepathy. I mean, that's what some people say.

this year, so pretty interesting. So it's always evolving, that's what I like about it, it says. A recent article on BBC Science Focus provides a revealing glimpse into the way that the study of near death experiences has been changing. When neuroscientists Mario Beauregard and I wrote The Spiritual Brain, which I guess was a book or an article or something like that in two thousand and seven, treating NDEs

as scientifically researchable generally meant debunking them. For example, in nineteen ninety nine, British psychologist Susan Blackmore discounted the idea that they were life changing. In her quotes, the limited evidence available suggests that this change is a function of simply facing up to death, not having not of having a near death experience. But when endears behave altruistically, this helps read their nd memes, so that ninety nine memes, that's what she said.

independently of the brain, then souls do not exist. This is old hat for most psychologists and philosophers, the stuff of introductory lecturers. So talking all kinds of shit on the soul and consciousness, whatever you want to call it, right, this is what.

ago are no longer suffice. Thus we come to cognitive neuroscience neuroscientists Christian Jared's recent article, which offers a more neutral approach than in the past. This is his quote. They leave their bodies, witness a bright light, and return forever changed. But do survivors of near death experiencers or of near death experiences truly glimpse into the great beyond? New research into the brain's final moments could decode these

visions at life's edge. So you know, that's at least a step in the positive direction towards saying that these people aren't crazy.

It's hard to listen to accounts of people who've had these experiences and not be moved. Bro, I'm telling you, it's one thing to read it, and I don't have any you know, videos of people recounting it, you know, in their own words and their voice and everything. I really hope after today's episode people go into a rabbit hole on YouTube, on TikTok whatever and just listen to people talk about their experience, and I promise you it will shake the foundation of whatever you are. Like it is.

It's profound. And you know that they're not bullshitting because you can see the tears in the eyes, you can see the body just tensing up whenever they're going through detail. And I mean just the tone and their voice about you know, in compare it to you know, what was their tone and their voice before they had the NDE. And it's crazy, dude. It's a night and day change. Yeah. And so it says should we believe them all? Of course,

we needn't believe anything that we find unbelievable. A better question might be, at what point could an agenda get in the way of our understanding? If our grounds for disbelief amount to nothing more than science. Means that the mind is merely what the brain does. Then we should check out the history of efforts to defend current science in the face of challenging new information, beginning with Thomas Kuhne's Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which was written in nineteen

sixty two. Jarrett that Christian Jarrett that we were talking about earlier. I think he was a psychologist. What was he cognitive neuroscience or neurosciences. He offers the suggestion that the ND is simply the behavior of a dying brain, he goes. In fact, some neuroscientists argue that many of these powerful subjective experiences can be attributed to intense neurobiological changes occurring as the brain approaches death, and they have

the research to support this claim. In twenty twenty four, researchers at the University of Michigan published groundbreaking findings from their analysis of brain recordings from four dying patients. The patients were on life support and their brain activity was recorded by electro Ncephalogram EEG, which tracks electrical activity in

the brain via electrodes placed on the scalp. Led by doctor Gimo Borjin, the team made the remarkable observation that two of the patients exhibited a surge of brain activity shortly after their relatives had agreed to the removal of life support. So a surge in brain activity once they took them off life support.

with consciousness. For example, the prefrontal cortex, which is thought to be involved in consciousness, showed heightened connectivity. But the Big Consciousness study comparison that wrapped up recently did not find that the prefrontal cortex plays as much of a role as is usually assumed. A bigger problem is that, as doctor Charlotte Marshall noted, none of these patients in the study survived, so we don't know if they had NDEs. Just what the surge signifies is still still to be determined.

Good point, Okay, And that's the that's the problem with these things is that you're You're never gonna be sitting around waiting for somebody to have an NDE. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, nobody knows the time or the hour, as they say right in the Bible or some shit like that. It's like, you don't know the minute that you're going to die. Nobody.

be corroborated later. For example, sample Michael Egnoor and I note in our just published book The Immortal Mind, how psychiatrist Bruce Grayson first became interested in the study of ndees. This is fucking fascinating. Okay, this Whenever I hear shit like this, it's like, Okay, it's there's no way, It's

just what the brain does. There's no way. Bruce Grayson, author of the book called After, was an agnostic psychiatrist decades ago skeptical that the mind could be detached from the brain, but then a young woman rescued from suicide told him that she had seen a spaghetti stain on his tie during an out of body experience. There was indeed such a stain, and he had gone to some

trouble to conceal it from colleagues. Brains are just don't account for people knowing information that they should not have access to under normal or under natural circumstances. It's early days yet in the study of near death experiences, but we are seeing growth and genuine curiosity, which is a

welcome change and likely to be a fruitful one. So that that example, this girl was trying to kill herself, right, Yeah, she was laying there on the table, Bruce Grayson, I guess was there to try and you know, bring her back to life or to keep her from dying. She ended up flat lining for a little bit. I don't know if we have that story pulled up, but I read it she ended up flat lining for a little bit. She had this whole out of body experience to where

she's not in her body anymore. She's like fucking floating at the top of the ceiling, right by the by by the lights and shit, and she's able to see him, see the procedures that he's doing, and she's able to notice that he had a stain on his shirt something that he was trying to cover up this whole time, right like on the lab coat or something, and she shouldn't have had access to be able to see that.

this and this and this. I'm like, oh, you're a bartender at the airport, so like word word Okay.

It included accurate views of the operating room and equipment, hyper awareness, visions of light, and interactions with deceased relatives. Her case is regarded by many as convincing evidence of survival, since her vital signs were monitored continuously, providing a certainty that she was clinically dead at the time. Okay, so she got.

by Sabam in his book called Light and Death. Reynolds has described her case in a BBC documentary. Sabam first interviewed Reynolds in November of nineteen ninety four. So this is an older story, right, yeah. Hearing that she knew details of the operating room that she could have only seen while deeply unconscious, he contacted the medical staff and took other steps to try to verify them. So let's

get to the actual experience here. In nineteen ninety one, she was thirty five Reynolds experienced symptoms of dizziness, loss of speech, and difficulty moving her body. A CT scan revealed a giant aneurysm at the base of her brain. The neurologists to whom she was referred predicted little or no chance of survival because of its size and location.

Regular neurosurgical techniques to excize it would not work. She was then referred to doctor Robert Speltzer in Phoenix, Arizona, who had pioneered a surgical procedure, hypothermic cardiac arrest, that would make the aneurism operable. This involved cooling the patient's body to sixty degrees fahrenheit, stopping the heartbeat and breathing, and draining all blood from the brain. More than twenty doctors, nurses,

and technicians took part. The operation required reynolds vital signs and body temperature to be very closely monitored by multiple instruments placed in various locations on and within her body. Molded speakers were placed in her ears, producing clicks at regular intervals so that other instruments could detect her brain's reactions to them. Reynolds was awake when she was brought into the operating root At the operating room at seven fifteen am, she felt a end quote's loss of time

and blanked out as the general anesthesia took effect. Then she became aware of a musical tone that seemed to pull, a musical tone that seemed to pull her out of the top of her head. She goes, this is her quote. I think, the further out of my body I got, the more clear the tone became. I had the impression it was like a road, a frequency that you go on.

I remember seeing several things in the operating In the operating room when I was looking down, it was the most aware that I think I have ever been in my entire life. It was brighter and more focused and clearer than normal vision. There was so much in the operating room that I didn't recognize, and in so many people. She recalled being surprised that the team had only partially shaved her head. She also recalled seeing the bone sauce that the bone saw that spelt he used to xcise

a section of her skull. She goes, the saw thing looked like an electric toothbrush, and it had a dent in it. The groove of the top where the saw appeared to go into the handle, but it didn't. And the saw had interchangeable blades too, but these blades were in what looked like a socket wrench case. I heard the saw crank up, so it says that she found this sound unpleasant. Obviously, they're about to fucking cut her

skull open. Sure, and someone said something about my veins and arteries being very small, Reynolds recalled, adding that it was a female voice. At this stage in the operation, a female cardiac surgeon, having determined that the arteries in Reynolds's right leg were too small to handle the degree of blood flow required the heart lung machine required by the heart lung machine, opened the left leg as well.

Speltzer assessed that the aneurism, assessed the aneurysm, and ordered hypothermic cardiac arrests to be performed, Commencing at ten fifteen am, blood was removed via tubes from the femoral arteries and veins, chilled in reservoir cylinders, and returned to her body. As Reynolds's core temperature fell, her heart beat changed to change to fibrillation, then stopped entirely. Her brain waves flattened, then as her core temperature reached sixty, the brain stem shut down.

By standard definitions, she was clinically dead at at eleven twenty five, the heart lung machine was turned off, the operating table was tilted, and blood was drained from her body. The sack of the aneurysm, was now empty, was easily excised, so the heart lung machine was then reactivated and warmed blood reinfused into reynolds circulatory system. The brain stem slowly began showing activity again, then her higher brain also. As

the warming process continued. At noon, it became apparent that her heart would not resume beating by warming alone, so electrical jolts from a defibrillator were used to shock it into starting. Having been clinically dead for about an hour, Reynolds was returned to the recovery room in a stable condition at two ten pm for a fucking hour.

time that Speltzer's younger assistants were closing her incisions. This is her recount of it. There was a sensation like being pulled, but not against your will. I was going on my own accord because I wanted to go. I have different metaphors to try and explain this. It was like the Wizard of Oz being taken up in a tornado vortex, only you're not spinning around like you got vertigo. You're very focused and you have a place to go.

The feeling was like going up in an elevator really fast, and there was a sensation, but it wasn't a bodily physical sensation. It was like a tunnel, but it wasn't a tunnel. At some point, very early in the tunnel vortex, I became aware of my grandmother calling me, but I didn't hear her call me with my ears. It was a clearer hearing than with my ears. I trust that sense more than I trust my own ears. The feeling that was that she wanted me to come to her,

so I continued with no fear down the shaft. It's a dark shaft that I went through, and at the very end there was this very little, tiny pinpoint of light that kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger. The light was incredibly, incredibly bright, like sitting in the middle, like sitting in the middle of a light bulb. It was so bright that I put my hands in front of my face, fully expecting to see them, and I could not, but I knew that they were there, not

from a sense of touch. Again, it's terribly hard to explain, but I knew that they were there. I noticed that as I began to discern different figures in the light, and they were all covered with light. They were light and had light permeating all around them that began to form shapes I could recognize and understand. I could see that one of them was my grandmother. I didn't know if it was reality or projection, but I would know

my grandmother the sound of her anytime anywhere. Everyone I saw, looking back on it fit perfectly into my understanding of what that person looked like at their best during their lives. I recognized a lot of people. My uncle Jean was there, so was my great great aunt Maggie, who was really a cousin on Papa's side of the family. My grandfather was there. They were specifically taking care of me and looking after me. They would not permit me to go

any further. It was communicated to me, that's the best way I know how to say it, because they didn't speak like I'm speaking, that if I went all the way into the light, something would happen to me physically. They would be unable to put me. They would be they would be unable to put this. This me back into the body, into the body me. Okay, So the me that she's referring to is like her soul, her consciousness whatever. Right, if she went all the way into

the light, there was no fixing it. So they were trying to prevent her from going all the way, like I had gone too far and they couldn't reconnect, so they wouldn't let me go anywhere or do anything. Then they were feeding me.

ready for whatever. My grandmother didn't take me back through the tunnel or even send me back or asked me to go. She just looked up at me. I expected to go with her, but it was communicated to me that she just didn't think that she would. It was communicated to me that she just didn't think that she would do that okay. My uncle said that he would do it. He's the one who took me back through the end of the tunnel and everything was fine. I did want to go, but then I got to the

end of it and saw the thing my body. I didn't want to get back into it. It looked terrible, like a train wreck. It looked like it was dead. I believe it was covered. It scared me, and I didn't want to look at it. It was communicated to me that it was like jumping into a swimming pool. No problem, just jump right into the swimming pool. I didn't want to, but I guess I was late or something because he, my uncle, pushed me. I thought a definitive or a definite repelling and at the same time

a polling from the body. The body was pulling and the tunnel was pushing. It was like diving into a pool of ice water. It hurt. The assistance finished the operation to the sound of rock music, and Reynolds recalled it, said, she goes. They were playing Hotel California and the line was you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

law all fear of death. She said, as quoted in a MSNBC broadcast. This is her quote. If death is the worst thing that happens to us, what an incredible thing. If at the end of our lives, this is what's going to happen to everyone. I don't see a problem. I really don't get it. I fear pained, but I don't fear death. So pam Ronold's fully recovered from the operation and lived a healthy life until twenty ten, when she died at the age of fifty three of heart failure. Still young.

lobe seizure, as no such seizure had been recorded. The report referred to a female doctor referring to the small blood vessels, apparently confirming Reynolds's memory of having heard the comment. Significantly, Reynolds could not have heard the comment normally, as by this time her ears had been stopped up by the molded speakers that were generating loud clicks. Sabam also learned that the comment was made at about the same time

that the saw started up. Holy shit. So Sabam was unfamiliar with the bone saw used in the operation, it was not in a position to confirm Reynolds's description of it, resembling an electric tutebush and its case resembling a socket wrench case. He contacted the manufacturer, who sent pictures of him of both. The resemblance was clear, so she described it perfectly. I guess yeah, it says. There was media coverage, so Reynolds's NDE eventually became the subject of multiple television

news segments and newspaper articles. On the radio show Coast to Coast AM, which focuses on unexplained phenomena, show host Art mel rip to a Real One conducted an in depth ninety minute interview with her in two thousand and two. A two thousand and nine segment from National Public Radio includes a short clip from a rock song Reynolds wrote based on her experience. A few days before her death, Reynolds gave more details of the experience in an interview

transcribed by Oh what is that word? Anesthesis? There we go and an NDE skeptic GM Worley. So there were criticisms, all right, Well, let's hear the criticisms. I mean, hey, we're just trying to search the search for the truth, it says. In two thousand and seven, the Journal of Near Studies published three papers by philosopher Keith Augustine questioning the validity of ndees with claimed verdict veritical memories and

dismissing them as fantastical. The issue included responses by NDE scholars such as Sabam, Grayson, Kenneth Ring, and Raymond Moody. That's a name everybody should look up if you're interested in ndaes is Raymond Moody.

that she had small blood vessels. Countering this, according to Sabam, the technologists who inserted the speakers pointed uh pointed out that the tape and gauze used to keep them in place covered the entire ear in ear entrance, making normal hearing of an operation room conversation impossible, So Augustine argues that Reynolds's visual recall of the bon saw is confused on one point and therefore likely incorrect. He suggests that she may have guessed what it looked like from the

experience with Detchil drills. He posits that her out of body experience began and ended before the period of cardiac arrest commenced, and therefore she could have she still could have been slightly conscious and able to physically perceive aspects of the operating room. He argues that her memories might have become contaminated with with such knowledge of such details gained during the three years that it lasts between the experience.

In her first interview with Sabam, so Sabam counters that while Augustine is correct with regard to the to the moment when the out of body experience commenced, that when the saw started up, Reynolds herself identified its conclusion as the operation being brought to a close by the assistance during the playing of Hotel California, confirming that it was underway during the time of cardiac arrests. With regard to the point about her allegedly confused memory of the saw.

Parapsychologist Charles Tart counters that a minor error in recall of an unfamiliar instrument is not submit is not sufficient to dismiss her memory of having seen it as having never occurred. With respect to the three three year delay, Tart points to statistical evidence that memories of NDEs tend to remain consistent over time. The account Reynolds gave in her final interview suggests that the first verifications of her outer body memories were actually provided by the medical staff

very soon afterward. This is where it's more fascinating, whenever you can get verifiable shit from the people that were actually there, right.

and husband, we were joking that made everyone laugh. With the exception of the nurse, the doctor, the anesthesiologist, and the neurophysiologists. Neurophysiologists, they did not seem to find it funny, and they hardly dared to look at me. In fact, they knew that I was not hallucinating and that this had occurred. They had never heard of such such things before. I thought maybe it was my imagination and I had a dream. But they told me that this was not

the case, and what I saw really happened. They kept telling me that I was that it was not a hallucination. So Speltzer confirms this, as quoted on MSNBC, saying that what she related so quickly after surgery was remarkably precise as to some details that went on in the surgery.

so this is gonna be an interesting angle. It says near death experiences at work are uncommon in many professions, but with close calls and aviation gaining more attention in recent months, certain industries are grappling with these with the impacts that these experiences have in the workplace, in ways such events influence how survivors move forward in their careers.

Recent studies reveal that employees near death experiences dramatically change their thoughts about work, what matters most in their careers, and their relationships with their coworkers. So what are near death experiences and near death experiences is an event when someone has a close brush with death and temporarily begins the process of dying. After recovery, survivors typically recount an out of body experience or a vision of a tunnel

of light. NDEs occur among seventeen percent of people who nearly die, and about forty five percent of people who report near death experiences describe accompanying accompanying out of body experiences. A whopping five to ten percent of the general population have memories of an NDE, including somewhere between ten and

twenty three percent of cardiac arrest survivors. Many people who have had near death experiences describe a sense of awe or bliss, and a reluctance to come back into their bodies being after being revived.

which they no longer respond to their external environment. Anecdotal reports from near death XS experiences commonly include stories of the dying person hearing unusual noises or hearing themselves pronounced dead. Bro imagine that he's dead, he's cooked done, and you hear that.

one was supposed to know they were there. No one was supposed to know which dudes were in this team or any of this stuff. They had like somewhere around four to eight hundred guys coming at them at that moment, and they're trying to radio to like headquarters for an extraction all this stuff, and they hear this woman come on reading each individual name and their obituary of how they died, where they died, all this shit, and it's like,

oh fuck. So like and they made it out there alive doing wrong, but like hearing that that that would just fry.

her book called My Stroke of Insight. Taylor told me that there was zero fear in that she was bouncing in and out a blissful euphoria and awareness of external reality. Interesting, an awareness external reality that's fucking awesome. She remembers shifting into a consciousness that she's a part of a greater humanity, more open, expansive, and flexible to possibilities as opposed to

self focused needs. Now, her quote is is that the authentic self is part of us that I firmly believe shows up in the last five minutes of our lives. When we're on our deathbreed, on our deathbed, the left brain begins to dissipate. We shift out of all the accumulation and the external world because it's no longer valuable. What is valuable is who we are as human beings and what we did with our lives to help others.

before dying. The researchers found that the auditory systems of dying patients respond similarly to young, healthy participants just hours from the end of their life. They conclude that hearing is the last sense to go in a dying brain. A study in June of twenty twenty five, an issue of the Journal of Applied Psychology, explores stories from military aviators who had a close brush with death on the job and would help them process the traumatic experiences and

rediscover meaning in their work. So I spoke with the studies co author Kevin Rockman, a professor of management at George Mason's University Costello College of Business. He told me that participants use storytelling about their loose brush with death as a means to reclaim a sense of purpose, identity,

and belonging in their jobs. He adds that the story He adds that storytelling after a life threatening event also applies to corporate employees readjusting to life's readjusting to life after facing a traumatic or serious medical event like the recent Manhattan mass shooting at New York's NFL headquarters, major surgery or auto accident. The way the way stories are told with humor, exaggeration, or vulnerability shapes emotional healing in

workplace esteem. Rockman says even deeply traumatic experiences can strengthen an employees' connection to their role, especially in high stakes jobs like aviation, healthcare, or emergency response. So they published in July of this year, explores how NDEs affect employees return to their jobs. The most common change is the

desire to do more meaningful work. The study found that NDEs reshapes values, creating a deeper appreciation of life of life, less value on money, material possessions, and prestige, and more importance on meaning, purpose and loving others. Survivors often change the direction of their careers, focus on different work priorities,

and switch jobs or start their own companies. The researchers also reported that NDEs transform how survivors interact with and relate to others at work, making them more than just business associates, creating deeper relationships connecting to them as human beings. The stories of near death survivors often offer a kind of blueprint for reimagining how we work. For employees, that might that might mean reevaluating what success looks like or

exploring roles that align more closely with personal values. For employers, it might involve fostering workplace cultures that prioritize connection, purpose, and well being. So basically to say that whenever people go through these crazy experiences, their entire life perspective changes. They no longer give a fuck about material things. They don't care about doing jobs if it's not helping humanity

in a certain kind of way. They want to feel like they are giving something back because they are now more grateful for the life that they get to live. So yeah, I mean, even if you think that this is just a rush of you know, chemicals and it's not really anything special, Even if you think that, to the individual, that's not how they.

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really care about life. He ends up having this crazy experience and his life completely change upside down. So this article was actually written in twenty twenty so I had him on meadow way after that, I think in like twenty twenty four. I think it was last year. I want to say, yeah, I think I was living in Texas already when we had that conversation. Okay, So David Ditchfield's remarkable near death experience. It says in two thousand and six, a man called David Ditchfield was seeing off

a friend at a train station near Cambridge, England. He stepped onto the train to help his friend with her luggage and to hug her goodbye. But as he stepped back off, his long coat got stuck in the train's closing doors. Unable to take off the coat, he found himself trapped as the train set off. He was pulled along the platform as the car as the train gathered speed, being tossed around like a rag doll. Fucking got run over.

to shreds and that his arm had been severed. Oh shit, his arm had been severed from the elbowed down, as he says, everything on it in a slow dreamlike way. It I felt an unearthly, absolute sense of calmness. David was rushed to the hospital by paramedics with his life hanging in the balance as he was losing so much blood.

Shortly after arriving at the hospital, he lost normal consciousness and suddenly found himself in a completely different environment, immersed in a darkness that seemed warm and soft, with vivid colors and lights around him.

I'm like, I'm just walking, bro, Like I it's not that I don't care, It's just that I I had this strange, for no reason, sense of calmness that took over my body to where I just I just in my mind, I was like, dude, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. Whether I stress and fucking panic about it is not going to change my circumstance. I don't even know where that came from, right, because why would anybody think that way? I don't know. It was strange, I

get it. So anyway, it says there was no pain anymore, and he felt very tranquil. This is now. This is how he described his experience in an interview with me. I could see pulsating colors like little orbs, much brighter and sharper than any colors I had seen in my normal life. Watching them was really relaxing. In therapeutic it was such a beautiful place, with a feeling that I

was being cared for and supported. I thought that this is what it might be, what it must be like to die, and then wondered if it meant that I had just died. The sensation of love became stronger, and I looked down at my feet. I saw a huge tunnel of light drawing closer towards me. I felt, and I still believe this now, that the white light was the source of all creation. I never dreamt that I would ever see something so beautiful. It was the light

of pure, unconditional love. Every molecule of my body was pulsating with love and light. It was the most incredible sensation. I felt more alive than I have than I ever done before. It felt like I was experiencing the true reality, while my old world was just an illusion. That's what so many people say.

near death experience. Near death experiences occur when a person's body and brain shut down for a short period of time before they are resuscitated, for example, after cardiac arrests. In many cases, people report that even though their brain showed no signs of activity, they continue to be conscious and underwent a remarkable series of experiences, usually along similar

lines to David's. Such experiences are surprisingly common. For example, research suggests that around a third of cardiac arrest patients report them after resuscitation.

very serene, structured, and well integrated experiences. Research has shown no significant similarity between psychedelic experiences and NDEs, and there is no evidence that the brain has a hidden store of psychedelic chemicals that are released when we are close to death. I disagree, but let's.

used all of them. So like they're already in the brain, but it's not like they're stockpiled somewhere and they like they give you like a drip of it throughout the day. It's kind of one of those things where your body produces what is needed. But again it's not I feel like that just that was a misleading sentence.

without showing any signs of activity. In any case, if there was some undetected brain activity, it would have to be incredibly low, and it seems unlikely that such a low level of brain activity could produce very intense, apparently conscious experiences. It's a good point, So then it gets into the long term effects of NDEs. One of the most striking things about near death experiences is their long

term effect. Although they may only last for a few seconds of normal time, near death experiences usually have a powerful transformational effect. David Ditchfield's experience is an excellent example of this. His NDE changed him so dramatically that he feels as if he is that he has a different life and a different identity, almost as if he is a different person living in the same body, And even

after fourteen years, these changes have not diminished. As David told me, here we go, I feel like I'm living in different dimensions rather than just one. I'm much more sensitive and can pick up on the energy of places in people. It has made my life so much more interesting. I have a lot more appreciation for nature in the world seems a beautiful place. I love watching animals and insects,

watching the seasons change. Before the experience, I was so immersed in myself that all of those things just didn't exist for me. They were just there. It's changed my relationship too. I'm a lot more understanding rather than feeling disappointed with people, I have a much broader take on how people work. That helps me to be more supportive of the people around me. David began to paint as a way of depicting the visions that he had seen. One of his paintings is at the beginning of this article.

Oh let's go see that painting.

but anyway, he's been conducting this shit. He never had any experience with music at all before his nd and now all of a sudden, he's composing fucking orchestras, which is crazy, right, Yeah, and became an artist, so like, just creative in every facet. So he continue, where was you know? I lost my spot? Okay, so he also learned to compose classical classical music. These long term changes

are typical of NDEs. They almost always bring a profound shift of values and perspective, which leads which itself leads to major lifestyle changes. People often become less materialistic and more altruistic, less self oriented, and more compassionate. Like David. They often report becoming more sensitive to beauty, more and more appreciative of everyday things. So the fact that they have such profound after effects makes it seem very unlikely

that NDEs are a brain generated hallucination. Hallucinations are usually quickly forgotten, with a clear sense of that they were delusional experiences, less authentic and reliable than ordinary consciousness. Even though they seem to contradict our standard materialistic view of reality, we have no option but to be open to the end, to the idea that NDEs are authentic experiences. So I mean,

there you go, David fucking Ditchfield. I thought it was gonna go a little bit more in detail because and maybe maybe I'll get him on the show. Fascinating How long ago to have him on the show. Maybe a year, year and a half ago something like that?

else happened? It's like, come on on.

of twenty twenty three. On Wednesday, May twenty first, Renner, who is fifty four years old, appeared on the Serious XM's show called Let's Talk Off Camera with Kelly Rippa to promote his recently published memoir called My Next Breath. During his conversation with host Kelly Rippa, the actor recalled his near death experiences when he broke dozens of bones and was left in critical condition after he was struck and crushed by a seven ton snowplow at his home

near Reno, Nevada, on New Year's Day. He goes, it was at a great relief, is all I can say. It's a wonderful relief to be removed from your body. A wonderful relief to be removed from your body.

two minutes or ten. But I came back and I saw the eyeball again. I don't know what is referrin to there, he goes. I'm like, oh shit, I'm back. Saw my legs. I'm like, yeah, that's gonna hurt later. I'm like, all right, well, let me continue to breathe. Rennerd titled his memoir My Next Breath in recognition of the solace that he focused or that he found and

focusing on breathing during the forty five minutes. It took for him to receive emergency help, and in the more than two years since the accident occurred, oh It says, when Rippa asked whether he spoke with anyone while he was unconscious, the actors simply stated that he entered a plane of existence that was, in quotes not linear. He goes, it makes me a man that did not want to come back really be able to be back here and live on my terms as the captain of my own ship.

Get on it or get off. I don't give a fuck, he said. I'm not going I'm not going to live life or I'm going to live life on my own terms and for nobody else. I'm very clear. The white noise is ripped away. I repel the things that I gave credence to. I can't stomach the things that I gave that I gave credence to prior to the to the accident. I invest in love and my shared relationships that I experience love with because that's the only thing that you'll take with you.

that we do. I don't know, you know, this is actually a really good story. This is one that actually sparked my interest in wanting to do this episode. I found this article like a week ago and I was like, oh my god, I got to get back into do you want to show on NDEES because this fucking one got me.

literally tens of thousands of them over there. It's crazy, and they're still uploading more every day, like it's a thing that people have one and they know that they can go to that website and document it.

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somewhere waiting on the other side. Throughout history, countless people have claimed to catch a glimpse of what comes next In quotes, Some call it the afterlife, others believe that it's a different dimension, and skeptics argue that it's just the brain's final electrical fireworks before the lights go out. But every so often a story comes along that refuses

to fit neatly into any explanation. This is one of those stories, the account of Brianna Lafferty, a thirty three year old woman from Colorado who, for eight measured minutes, was clinically dead, yet she swears that she was more alive than ever. So who is Brandon Lafferty? Brianna is no stranger to living with physical challenges. She was diagnosed years ago with myoclonist, a rare neurobiological disorder that causes

her muscles to contract suddenly and uncontrollably. Fuck that, imagine trying to write, walk, or even stand while your own body decides to move without permission. The condition is disruptive, but it was something that she had learned to manage, that is, until her body suddenly gave out. One day, her heart stopped beating. Medical staff worked frantically, but there was no pulse, no breath, and no measurable brain activity. For eight minutes every standard, by every standard in modern medicine.

She was gone. Yet Brianna says that she didn't go anywhere in the way that we imagine. In fact, she says that she never lost awareness, not even for a second, so the moment of departure. Brianna describes the sensation of leaving her body as unexpectedly calm. She wasn't, in quotes, pulled or pulled out or forced away. It felt more like gently stepping out of a heavy coat that she

didn't know that she had been wearing. From above, she could see what was happening below, but she wasn't particularly interested in her lifeless form or the panic of the room. Her attention shifted almost immediately towards something else, a pull into what she calls a space without time. In this place, there were no seconds, minutes, or hours. Yet she was fully conscious. She says that she felt more herself than she had ever felt while alive, as if the version

of Brianna. She as if the version of Brianna she had known on Earth was just a smaller fragment of a much larger being. Oh fuck, yeah, dude, Wow. There was no pain, no fear, no sense of needing to breathe, just a steady, comforting awareness, says. One of the most fascinating parts of Brianna's story is how the environment seemed to respond to her thoughts. At first, she noticed that whatever she focused on began to form around her, but slowly,

as the universe there took its time answering her. If a negative thought emerged, she had space to shift it into something positive before it fully materialized. She found herself deliberately choosing peaceful, loving images, knowing that they would eventually shape her surroundings. To her, this felt like proof that even beyond the boundaries of life, the mind or consciousness

has creative power. Dude, that's fucking awesome. Yeah right, so, says eight minutes or eight months, says Back on Earth, the clock recorded her absence at exactly eight minutes, But in that other space, Brianna felt like it like months had passed. She had time to explore, reflect, and even interact with what she calls familiar presences. She doesn't claim that these presences were human in the way that we understand humanity. They seem to be beings of awareness, not flesh,

radiating a sense of unconditional acceptance. As someone within this vast stillness. She says that she sends a greater presence,

something wise, loving and infinitely patient. There was no quote unquote voice, yet its guidance was unmistakable, so it says among the Stranger Stranger revelations, Brianna brought back with UH with her conviction that the universe is fundamentally made of numbers, not just in the way mathematicians use equations to describe physics, but as if reality itself is constructed from numerical patterns, a kind of cosmic code. This isn't an entirely new concept.

Ancient Greek philosopher Pythagorasts believe numbers formed the building blocks of everything. Modern physicists sometimes speak about the mathematical universe hypothesis, which suggests that the physical world is at its core a mathematical structure. Brianna didn't arrive at this idea through study. She says that she simply knew it while she was there. WHOA so coming, I.

gave her. Today, she describes her purpose, her purpose as living deliberately, even if she doesn't have a step by step mission plan. She is less afraid of death, more appreciative of life, and more aware of how her thoughts shape her experience. So it says, while Brianna's story is deeply personal, scientists have long tried to explain near death experiences in purely biological terms. Some neurologists suggest are caused by the anoxia, which is the lack of the oxygen

of the brain. Others point to a flood of neurotransmitters like endorphins and dopamine, which could create sensations of euphoria and visions of light. Researchers have also studied the right tempo temporo parietal cortex, an area of the brain responsible for processing information about the body in space. When this region malfunctions, whether through trauma, seizure or oxygen deprivation, it can produce the feeling of floating outside the body or

moving through a tunnel. From this perspective, NDEs aren't windows into another world, but the brain's final protective illusions.

every single NDE that is clearly what's happening here. But at least I can understand the academic approach to them if that is the route they're trying to.

does this work? But that's kind of a rarity, you know, unless it's something that you can track and that's like, you see, this happened A plus B equaled C, and here's how we track that. So now we know this happened, and this happened. This is how we got to hear this is why this happened. But big picture why it's very rarely does that come into the conversation. Yeah.

at least I can understand that. But again, some of these, especially if you go in any of the good cult members, if you go and look at the list of indies, some of them can easily be chalked up to you, Well, yeah, the brain was, you know, lack of oxygen started the hallucination process. The brain started firing off the last of its chemicals. That's totally why they had a trippy thing happen, and then they woke up and they snapped back. That totally makes sense. Some of them don't line up at all.

You know, like, for example, if somebody, if you were to tell a fucking doctor or a neuroscientist or whatever about your demon and angel story, you know, they would try and figure out, well, what was going on in your brain? You know, what was firing, what was not firing. Were you in some kind of state of mind and

that's what allowed it to happen? Now, does that dismiss that you actually had that experience or does it just show you what was going on in your brain and in your body at that time of that occurrence?

across a bridge or river to meet ancestors. While the imagery varies, the themes light piece, familiar presences show up again and again. Even among modern survivors, similarities emerge, which is a feeling of leaving the body, a perception of moving through darkness toward light, encounters with guiding beings, a review of one's life, or a decision or command to return.

Brianna's account fits fits neatly with these within these patterns, yet it has its own unique twists, like the concept of the universe being made of numbers.

near death experiences experience stories give us the answer? Those who have had near death experiences say that heaven is unequivocally real, and it is, and it is full of unimaginable wonder. Below our accounts of Heaven are accounts of Heaven from people who have been there and back. These indies stories shed light on the incredible peace, glory, and love that we can look forward to in the afterlife. So here are five of the incredible stories. It says

Don Piper's Heavenly Experience. And these go into a lot more in detail. So obviously we're not going to read all of the stories, but I'm gonna read, you know, the the basically wrap up of the story, and you tell me if you find one more interesting than another. Right, So, Don Piper's Heavenly Experienced, It says Don Piper a minute was driving home to Alvin, Texas from a convention when he got into a terrible head on collision with an

eighteen wheeler. First Responders at the scene couldn't find a pulse and he was declared dead. But upon impact, Don had been transported somewhere else. He'd been driving one minute and the next he was standing in heaven. Joy pulsed through him as he became aware of a large group of his loved ones who had passed on before him. Standing in front of an ornate gait, he walked towards the gate. He had no idea what laid ahead, but he felt that with each step, Heaven would grow more wondrous.

another thing I'm curious about of the NDE experiences. And I don't know if anybody's actually sat down and quantified the numbers on this are like ran the numbers. But how many of these people saw something that they believed in any way? And how many of these people saw something that they didn't necessarily believe in beforehand, but now they do? And to whatever degree. You know, if you, let's say, were born and raised a Southern Baptist, you

died and you saw Vishnu. Like you know what I'm saying, How many of these people saw something that is absolutely outside of the realm of what they thought was reality and now they believe that's the truth.

da dah, you know, and in many other ways. So yeah, so that was your boy, Don Piper, the pastor or minister rather. The next one is Bubba Bay's miraculous encounter. While on a walk one night, Jim Bubba Bay slipped and fell fourteen feet into a concrete culvert. His skull was oh fuck me. His skull was cracked, and his shoulder and his shoulder blade, eleven ribs, and ten vertebrae

were broken. He was in absolutely excruciating pain until a blinding sight appeared, illuminating his surroundings and washing away his suffering. From the light walked a man with a kind of weathered face and a long beard. He held in his arms. Two children. That's a fucking cliffhanger right there, and we're gonna read through all of them, and then you tell me which one you want to go back and reading.

Then there's Lori Lambert's conversation with Angels. So A Navy technician, Lorie Lambert was on a team building experience kayaking through rapids when she capsized and was flung into the freezing river. She gasped, gasped, and her lung lungs filled with water. She was being pushed down and couldn't get to the surface. She was drowning. Oh God, please help me, she thought. Then she was zooming through a tunnel of pure white. She came out on the other side in an otherworldly room.

Three beings stood before her, made of giant, shimmering crystal. They radiated pure love. Laurie's fears subsided, and she felt calm and comforted in their presence. The middle being said, before you go back, we are going to show you some things, and opened a book of moving images.

Then he saw a figure walking towards him. It was Jesus, and alongside him someone else done Dune done.

to them. This is an interesting one, and we're not gonna read this whole thing, but some of it, oh it's blurred out anyway. Okay, of course you know some of this shit. It's like it gives you access to it on your phone, but then you go and upload it to the computer and it's like you have to pay for this. I'm like, why didn't I have to pay for it on my phone?

So in her near death experience, Edie reports many phenomena similar to other NDIE accounts, such as going through a dark tunnel, seeing a bright light, and experiencing a life review, as well as other features unique to her story. In nineteen seventy three, at age of thirty one, Edie was

recovering from a surgical operation. Edie reported that she first felt first felt herself fading into lifelessness, then felt a surge of energy, followed by a pop and a feeling of release, a sense of freedom and movement unhindered by inertia or gravity. She was met by three angelic beings who spoke with her about her prior existence and hitherto suppressed memories in order to participate in earthly experience. Dude, that's crazy, right, She had to lose her memories in

order to participate in the earthly experience. That's fucking awesome. That's kind of what I expect.

there's a Jesus story for you, okay. During this encounter, she reported a strong sense of love and a high and a high, high speed transfer of answers to her many questions, Oh shit, that almost sounds like my mushroom experience a little bit. Possessing a corporeal identity of an ethereal kind, she visited in numerous places persons and phenomena such as natural settings and gardens. Beyond the character of

the conventionally material. It was taken on a tour of sorts of learning experiences that she had felt equivalent to weeks or months, so it felt like it lasted a long time, but it didn't. In addition to her to discussing traditional Christian subjects such as prayer, creation, and the Garden of Eden, Edie reported visiting a library of the mind. Sometimes people call that the Acoshic.

Its specific character, like numerous other details were removed from her memory in order. She said that she was told to prevent difficulties in her fulfilling it, so she knew what her mission was, but that got erased from her mind so that she so that she wouldn't have any difficulties fulfilling it. Upon protesting, she was made to understand the reason behind the necessity for her to return, and reluctantly agreed to do so. She exacted a promise that she would not be would not be made to stay

on Earth longer than necessary. She reported her return to material corpore reality as extremely heavy feeling and unpleasant. Initially intermittent in phases, and accompanied not long after by a demonic visitation that was cut short by an angelic reappearance. Doctor reportedly verified her clinical death on a return visit to the hospital, attributing it to a hemorrhage during a nurse's shift change, and took great interest in her recollections.

Independent verification of the length of her death was not possible, but she speculated that it could have lasted up to four hours based on her memory of certain details preceding and following it. Yeah.

in near death groups and studies and gave talks. Subsequently, going on to write her account in book form, which she met with a runaway success. While her account incorporated elements of traditional Christianity, it also met with a certain degree of resistance as well. This was largely in part to its teaching, as she reported that she was given it that some denominations might approximate truths, might approximate truth

better than others. She explains, however, that different teachings were more appropriate for certain individuals at their given age of spiritual development, and therefore judgment should not be passed on them from where they are, Unlike many fundamentalist Christians, and despite her her own strict Catholic upbringing and a temporary conversion to the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ through the Church of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Mormon.

the Christianity is the one true, valid religion. Many of her statements also are ambiguous or conflict with mainstream doctrine of the Trinity, and her website disavows the traditional condemnation of homosexuality. Okay, that's not what we came for. I mean, yeah, I disagree with that as well.

move on to the last story here. This is this, you know, and I looked up, like, what were the most profound nd EE stories, and so that one came up, and this one also came up as far as like not even just the most profound but the one of the most talked about and documented stories because I wanted to be able to like cause, you know, you go on to nderf dot org, you'll find you know their story in written form, and then enderf will ask them

a bunch of questions. And usually the story is not, you know, documented until twenty or thirty years after, you know, just yeah, people not knowing that the website exists, or not wanting to talk about it or whatever. It Sometimes it's deeply personal you don't want to talk about it. I get it. But this is from Anita Morjani So. She's an author of a New York Times bestseller called

Dying to Be Me. She uh after she was let's see so after she was diagnosed with stage two A Hodgkins lymphoma in two thousand and two and rejected conventional treatment. Morjhanni was taken to a hospital in two thousand and six, where she laid in a coma for thirty hours. This might be the one. This might be the one that we were talking about. Oh, I'm so happy. Okay, maybe

I'm not sure. So anyway, She's Indian from Singapore. Her family moved to Sri Lanka, and when she was two years old, the family moved to Hong Kong, where she and her older brother, Anup, grew up. Morjanni and her brother studied British schools. Okay, let's get to the act experience. So, in two thousand and two, while living and working in Hong Kong, Morjanni was diagnosed with lymphoma after finding a

lump on her neck. Initially, Morjanni rejected conventional medicine. I mean, I feel like that's pretty you know, regular within that culture, right.

underwent several conventional cancer treatments. However, by that point, despite beginning these treatments as as as she was brought into the hospital, her doctors informed her in her family that it was too late to save her life. The lymphoma had spread throughout her body and had metastasized. At that point, all of Morjohnny's organs had shut down and she entered into a coma. Marjohnny came out of the coma thirty

hours later. During those thirty hours, more Johnny asserts that she experience experienced many characteristic details of a near death experience. Her account includes an out of body experiment experience with

observations and awareness of physical surroundings. Morjanni said that she had a strong reluctance to return to her suffering and dying physical body, but was encouraged to return by her father and her best friend, who told her that she needed to return and live her life fearlessly subsequent Those are the people that had died subsequent to coming out of her coma. Morjohnnie's tumor shrank by about seventy percent within four days, and within five weeks she was cancer free.

In release from the hospital, although she had spent a few months in physiotherapy to regain her strength and the use of all of her muscles and limbs, and Morjanni remains cancer free to this day. So interesting, it says. Murjohnny submitted the description of the of her nde and subsequent healing to the Near Death Experience Research Foundation website which I talked about, a site owned and run by oncologist Jeffrey Long and his wife, Jodi Long, a family

law attorney. Borjhanni's story came to the attention of American self help author Wayne Dyer, who contacted his publishers hay House, asking them to locate her and suggest that she wrote a book which they would publish. So she wrote the book, and oh she went on Fox and Friends, Anderson Cooper, National Geographic, and many others. And then she wrote a book that sold millions worldwide, has been published in forty languages. Good for her, for her. In the years following, she

wrote three additional books. Okay, so all right, it says. A medical explanation of recovery from cancer, it says. According to one article, oncologist chematologist T. K. Chan, who treated more Johnny at the critical stage of her illness, ascribed her recovering to the draining of her lungs carried out by medical specialists after she had been admitted to hospital, followed by chemotherapy, which she had refused for four years. Chan stated with lymphoma, it's never too late, and Hodgkins's

disease is quite curable. It can have a dramatic response to chemotherapy. On the same article, on cologist Peter Coe, who arranged to see more Johnny and all of her medical records on a visit in November of two thousand and six, declared that chemotherapy could not have could not declared that chemotherapy could not have occasioned such a dramatic recovery,

and all that it could have been highly toxic. Considering the state of her failing organs, Co stated either her mind or body was able to send a message to the cancer cells to turn off the mutated genes, and chemotherapy does work well with Hodgkins, but I've never seen it work like this.

living different ways. And I mean, look, if it's just an illusion, fucking that's a great illusion to have, you know what I'm saying.

one neurosurgeon experienced both. WHOA I actually talked to somebody who has experienced both, and he goes, Dude, same exact thing, same exact fucking thing.

That's that was my experience. I was like, what more could there be than that?

So Alexander's dual experiences could provide some intriguing, albeit anecdotal insights. Both d MT and and near death experience evoke feelings of transcending time and space and glimpsing the multiverse, while at the same time eliciting a sense of unity and love. But there were also profound differences, he says. So in two thousand and eight, doctor even Alexander contracted a rare

case of bacterial meningitis. As the pathogen wrecked or racked his brain, causing it to well and suffused with pus, Alexander entered a deep, deep coma he was not expected to survive, but live he did, and with a tale to tell. For in Alexander's stricken state, he underwent a near death experience, a profound out of body event. Four years later, the neurosurgeon detailed it in a best selling book. I had no real center of consciousness, he wrote. I didn't know who or what I was, or even if

I was. I was simply there, a singular awareness in the midst of a soupy, dark, muddy nothingness.

like it. Michael responded that having undergone both a near death experience and a DMT psychedelic trip a rare coincidence, Alexander could provide a fascinating anecdotal comparison of the two events. Michael interviewed Alexander in November of twenty nineteen and subsequently wrote a scientific paper on what he gleaned from him. The article was published in the journal Frontiers in Psychology.

In the interview, Michael asked Alexander to deeply describe both experiences per Alexander's recollections both evoked feelings of transcending time and space and glimpsing the multiverse, while at the same time eliciting a sense of unity with the surroundings, as well as a profound, almost divine love for everything and every one. The most vital similarity between Alexander's near death experience and his five DMT trip was, in quotes ego death, the dissolution of his sense of a sense of self.

The annihilation in quotes, the annihilation, though temporary, of the sense of one's individuated self and all of its concomitant autobiographal and all of its autobiographal memories, often gives rise to an experience of being a cosmic being. Michael explained this he noted is key to the psychedelic induced mystical

experience and any potential benefits extracted from it. Mike Alexander also described many differences between the two events, avowing that during his near death experience he came across both menacing and divine beings and even briefly ventured to another world at one point. He also passed through an abyssal emptiness and yet suffused with nurturing light and came upon a quote unquote threshold which a feminine entity prevented him from crossing.

Due to these dissimilarities and the fact that, at least for him, the near death experience vastly surpassed that of the psychedelic Okay, so he's saying that the NDE was like way crazier than DMT. Okay, I can't imagine. So, yeah, Alexander does not ascribe to the theory that DMT causes near death experiences, preferring a transcendental explanation that he briefly glimpsed some form of afterlife, the five meo or the

Buffo toad. Uh, the five neo was like looking through a little peopole as opposed to being full bore swimming and being immersed in the Pacific Ocean, of being completely into that oneness experience of the NDE. So a key hole versus the Holdham thing.

you know your body expels everything as you're dying. But that doesn't, like I said earlier, that does not neatly tie all loose ends together when you're looking at the vast amounts of indie stories that are out there, right, So I'm still kind of on the fence with it. To be honest with.

to slip into that. However, if I do give you that NDE all.

Like that's a reality, and that's a reality for everybody. You never know what tomorrow will bring.

unless it's like a little cafe racer or something. They got small motors, but they're quick and they're light and they're small, so it's it's like a weird blend between like a crowd rocket and a cruiser. But we'll talk more about that when the time comes. And you get some money put aside to buy one. But yeah, I mean, I'm it's definitely gonna be used if I get one. I'm not getting nothing brand new. I would love to

get a brand new bike, but there's no way. My dream ideal like brand new bike would be like a Indian chieftain and bitches are so sick, but oh I love them, I love them so much. I'm happy that Polaris bought out the Indian name brand and they've revived it because it's been ever since World War Two. It's like the company's gone down, up and down and up, and you'll get companies try to like put some juice back into that and then they crash out. Polaris ain't

going nowhere. So the Indian has been doing really well.

So it says there are strong similarities between NDEs and DMD induced ego deaths, and many researchers, mystics and psychonauts believe that they may be tapping into the same underlying mechanism of consciousness. So there are core similarities. So there is ego dissolution and loss of self. So in an NDE, in a near death experience, people report leaving their body no longer identifying with it, and experiencing themselves as pure awareness. The sense of I often dissolves into something vast, so

that's an NDE. As far as the DMT ego death, it says the self shatters, dissolves, and merges with an infinite field of consciousness. The usual quote unquote story of me disappears, replaced by timeless awareness. So that similar. And then there is the to and light phenomena.

the trippy reality laid on top of each other. But at least I'm still here. You know what I'm saying, DMT, you don't fucking exist anymore, bro, Like you are not you anymore. Like it's it's more than whenever you go to sleep and you have a dream, like you know, you feel a little dissociated or whatever. Right, it's it's that times I thought, like you, I'm a time god, honestly, like it is. I hope that you experience it one day,

maybe one day. I just think that that would I would love to hear how you experience it, specifically you, hmmm, Like I want to hear your experience, I think more than anybody else on the on on the planet, Like I would mean, I would rather hear your experience than my parents. I would rather hear yours than I can't even think of anybody who would rather hear about than yours.

Communication is direct, beyond words, often deeply symbolic. Pretty similar there, I mean, no machine eels in an NDE. But then there's the life review and revelation. So a near death experience, it says, some undergo a panoramic life review, feeling their actions impact on others with total empathy. You hear that a lot yew DMT, it says, while not always a review, users report being shown profound truths about their lives, karmic patterns,

or humanity's collective story. So different in that aspect. I don't know if I ever heard of a life review on DMT, but definitely hear about them a lot on near death experiences.

all my fault and everything right. But then as I you know, meditated on it and recollected exactly what I saw and what I felt and everything, I came to feel like a crazy comfort in knowing that even even in the void, I was still able to perceive my own awareness, which is crazy because if it was the void, nothing would exist. So if nothing existed, I wouldn't exist. But I did. I was there, I witnessed it, so that to me, that to me signals that even when

nothing exists, we still do in some way. And I don't know how else to describe that but that's brought me a lot of peace actually thinking that good things. It says, there's transformation afterward. NDEs survivors often lose fear of death, develop heightened spirituality, and change priority in life. In DMT, many return with a radically shifted worldview, often more spiritual, compassionate, and less materialistic. Same kinds of transformations afterward.

Possible explanations, It says, there's the biochemical explanation that both may involve DMT release in the brain. The pineal gland and dying neurons may flood the brain with DMT during extreme trauma or death states. Then there's the oxygen deprivation, which is hypoxia. Can also create tunnel vision, bright lights and vivid haint hallucinations. That's the biochemical explanation, yeah, which

I'm not saying that that's not happening. I'm just saying that I think that maybe that's not all that's happening.

an even deeper meditative state, even deeper than theta. So theta is right before you fall asleep or as soon as you wake up. Right, this is suggesting. So there are people that go beyond that, which is gamma. Right, Think about like a fucking yogi that's meditating for a week. You know what I'm saying, Like that guy is gonna be way deeper than somebody who's about who's about to

fall asleep, right, makes sense? Right, And so that's what they say, is that on psychedelics and in near death cases where they are being monitored, gamma waves are happening. So it's almost as if your brain is emulating that you are in such a super fucking yoga deep meditation that it's allowing you to see this kind of stuff neurologically.

That's the thing, that's what I wanted to bring up earlier, as far as the NN DMT studies is not an NDMT. The DMT studies that were ever in London, they said that they were able to prove without a shadow of a doubt that this reality that we experience in waking life is more of a hallucination than what you experience

on psychedelics or in an ear death experience. And their explanation behind that is that our brain and our eyes and our mind, and you know, we take in fucking sixty thousand thoughts a day, and you know, all this information is constant. I think they said that we take in like seven thousand. I don't know if it's fucking

gigabytes or whatever. I think seven thousand gigabytes of parabytes. Well, seven thousand gigabytes of information per second is what our brain has to process, right, do you know how many we actually are aware of? It's fifty out of seven thousand. Wow, so seven and no, that's right. It wasn't seven thousand

gigabytes or whatever. It was seven thousand. Things Like, your brain is taking seven thous bits of information and it's fucking breaking it down into fifty, right, Whereas whenever you're on DMT or any other psychedelic or you're going through a near death experience, that broadens to over a thousand, which is why so many people say it's more real than anything I've ever seen, because their brain is not

filtering out it is. You are getting the raw data. Yeah, so the brain almost look at the brain like it's a fucking it's a filter in waking reality. And whenever you're on DMT or you're going through a near death experience,

that filter is fucking off, that veil is gone. So what they have surmised is that whenever you're you know, under one of those circumstances that that's not the hallucination, that waking reality is more of a hallucination than even that because there is no filter, and our filter is would be which is it's an interesting way of looking at it, because you would you would expect like, all right, well, hallucination is just something that your mind is making up

that's not really there, right, whereas they're looking at it from the opposite end saying that actually, a hallucination is something that is happening, but your brain is fucking making the amount of information smaller to be able to process it. That's the hallucination itself. So it's like looking at it from different ends of the spectrum, which I think is

pretty cool. Okay, wow, it says in this view, DMT is not creating illusions, but opening the filter of the brain to wider reality, just as dying removes the filter altogether. So very similar in those aspects. The key differences are control and duration. NDEs happen spontaneously, usually lasting longer, though they may feel like they're outside of time DMT, So

that was NDEs. DMT ego death is chemically induced, short lived within minutes, though equally intense there's the content consistency, so NDEs often have recurring light tunnel and life review archetypes, where d MT can be more varied with wild geometry, alien like realms and be less predictable symbolism. The cultural framing would be. NDEs are often interpreted in religious slash spiritual terms, for example, meeting God, angels, Christ, et cetera.

D MT users may frame it as alien contact, alien contact simulation theory, or cosmic consciousness. So they rhyme but not the same.

I put this. It's it's like wearing a tuxedo that was made for somebody else that's kind of your size, and it'll still fit you well and you can still wear it to a wedding and it's all good, as opposed to wearing a custom fit tux that was tailor made for your specific body. Yes, I'm wondering if the breathing exercise and meditation release of DMT. And I'm not talking about like a euphorious sense for meditation. I mean,

like a true DMT trip from these exercises. How would that differ from external DMT use, And how do both of those differ from NDE And are they different or are the similarities even more so, I'm you know, it's fascinating.

even that. It's like so minute, the possibility, but even still, just the just the fact that it fucking does happen scared the ever living fuck out of me.

I tried to do my very best with it. But I think that anybody who's ever legitimately looked into near death experiences and heard somebody's stories or read somebody's stories, you don't forget it. You don't forget the feeling that you had after you read or listened to the story, because it's profound and it causes you to think, you know what I mean, Like anybody who just listens to

that and just goes, eh, that's probably not real. Like you're not giving it the credit that it deserves because it is profound shit, no matter I mean, And it's hard to compartmentalize it for a lot of people, and so maybe that's why they would, you know, rather not. And I'm not even sitting here to say that I have I have correctly compartmentalized it, because I definitely haven't. I still don't know what to do with it. I mean, does it does it prove that we go to a

specific place? No, you know, does it prove that a specific religion is the right one? No? You know what I mean? Like, there's still a lot of very open ended questions. But just the fact that it has happened tens of thousands of documented times. That's just documented by the way, right, and that's just over the last what sixty years, fifty years something like that. I mean no telling how many stories like this have, you know, stretched

all across humanity. Almost makes you wonder if animals happen. Do you think animals got DMT?

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