#816- MK Ultra, MK Often, Operation Mockingbird & Operation Mockingjay| How The CIA Controls Your Mind!

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Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Occult of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob, and today we are going to be covered uncovering some of the older concepts that we have talked about and about how they have possibly even evolved into today. So people bring up mk Ultra, and people bring up Project mocking Bird and these types of things, and they say, you know, the especially the blue pillars, the ones with their third eyes all the way closed. They'll say, that's just what

Going on, and we got proof of it right now, absolutely, And I know that a lot of people myself included, right when we talk about conspiracies with the three letter agencies from the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties, that's like the Cold War era of the spy games, and like at that point it was carte blanche, do whatever you need to do to get the results because we've got to stop communism. Okay, fine, fine, yes, but that's the thing. So many things have been confirmed about

Are they more slick about it or have we become so hypnotized to what they've been aiming to do that it's so out in the open that we don't even notice it because of our deep hypnosis that they've lulled us into. And that's and not just by you know,

Right, Like nobody's immune to propaganda. Nobody's immune to propaganda. Every and everybody who's like, oh yes, we are no, not a single one of anybody in America. When nine to eleven happened, I'm talking right after for the rest of two thousand and one, from September to December, every American wanted blood in Afghanistan for this shit. Oh, we are all susceptible to propaganda, ladies and gentlemen. It's not a thing to be ashamed of. We're humans. We have

Absolutely, and and it's all over the place. Like I just named a few, how about the school system. How about the school system that doesn't doesn't want you questioning everything that this is the history and don't question it. Well, this is the science, and don't question it. This is how reality works. This is the history of our land and the land across the world, and don't question it because if you do, you're gonna get deemed a crazy

So, oh, dude, this is Trump got shot in the ear? All right? This wasn't even like way back when we started this. We had been blowing and going doing the cult of conspiracy. See for quite some time. I was at a family get together at my mom's house, sitting at the table, and somehow Trump getting shot had just come up into the conversation. It was like a couple

It's a lot like like Kevin Gates once said, you got to get out of your own city in order to be seen, and I believe that's actually I think he actually took that from Jesus right, Like.

Then he had to profit in your hometown.

He had to get the fuck out of there and start, you know, talking to other people and learning other things and all that other stuff. Like the whole story of Jesus, he had to escape his hometown in order to really kind of like break the coating.

And your hometown knows who you were when you were a kid and an awkward teenager, and they know your mom and them, and so whenever you're out here trying to do some earth shaking things and not just to the realm of Jesus, Kevin Gaes name, your person doesn't matter aside from you being from like New York or LA or Miami or a city that's so big to where you could go like two neighborhoods over and you're

And you're going to almost have borderline like paranoid schizophrenic ideologies and you're like ideas going throughout your mind at the in the beginning, right like because oh my god, I can't drink this water. Oh my god, there's a bunch of chemstrail chemptrails outside. Oh my god. Whenever a big mac is held into a container for a year, it doesn't decompose, like, oh my god, they're really poising us. Then you turn on the TV. You see all the

Okay, So.

First off, we're going to get into MK ultra. For those that don't know or maybe just need a little reminder, Okay.

Once again, this is all the MK ulture specifically has been confirmed by every source, even the CAA operatives that were conducting these experiments quote unquote experiments. It's understood historical facts. This is undisputed. Every one knows that this is a thing that took.

Place, documented like heavily documented, a lot of it redacted, and they held out a lot of stuff. And we're going to get to what they held out because new information just came out back in December of last year of new things that have been uncovered via FOYA, so it's wild. I didn't know that new shit came out on MK Ultra, so it's going to get pretty crazy.

I had heard about it, but I didn't know if there was anything actually new, or if it was kind of like a regurgitation of the stuff that you and I have already talked about on the show a few times, so I didn't actually dive in. I'm excited, all.

Right, So before we get there, let's lay the groundwork and the foundation. This is an article from all That's Interesting dot com, one of my favorite websites.

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Oh boy, and the show that we just did last night on Meta Mysteries was a fucking absolute mind exploding banger.

Okay.

We talked about with within string theory and quantum physics, there's this thing called redshift and blue shift.

Oh dude. This.

I believe that this is the way that entities goes, interdimensional beings, aliens, whatever. I believe that this is how they are entering and exiting our realm of existence. Not only that, but how we would enter and exit their realm of existence and everything that you would need to do to be able to achieve that. Red shift and blue shift. I actually named it. It's going to be coming out on Friday. It's going to be called one shift, two shift, red shift, blue shift. Get a little doctor

Like wormholes and like tears in the time and space continuum or is it like completely something else.

It's basically about how like light reacts, so whenever light is refracted or expanded and essentially, yeah, poking black holes in space time in general, and how extra dimensional and

You know who you are.

We appreciate you know the thing because he said, dude, there's something that I have not been able to sleep of or a sleep about just thinking about this thing, and I've put it to the test and I believe that this is really what's going on. He said, just look up, look up red shift and blue shift. And I was like, say, let's I got you. And so it led me to go down a rabbit hole. That

There we go. All right, Now let's get into the historical background that led us to where we are today. Let's talk a little mk Ultra.

So what was mk ultra the CIA's top secret Cold war research program. Okay, so during the nineteen fifties and sixties, the CIA used brainwashing, hypnosis, and torture on thousands of subjects brutalized by the infamous Project mk Ultra experiments. Though they may sound like science fiction and though the CIA tried to deny them for years, the mind control experiments

Yeah, so whenever people taken, weren't they also the mentally handicap.

Oh dude, all of them, all of them, Yeah, like literally everybody. I mean, they wanted to test it on kids, on adults, on mentally handicapped, on on physically handicapped, like it went all over the place, on psychics, on witches, on religious people, like they wanted to get all the information as as much as they possibly could, Right, so it says. What's more, these experiments often used unwitting subjects

I can tell you as somebody who was hypnotized by Jonathan and experienced the past life regression, there's nothing traumatic about the experience. It is very calm, very organized. You are in control the whole time. You can snap out of it of your own fruition if you choose at any point in time, like it's it's not like this at all.

Of course, I could have given Jacob that suggestion that leads him to believe that, and could have tickled his ppee behind closed doors that he'll never know. Bud no, it's all on video, so you can go and look it.

So today that's a small cash. Twenty thousand documents is a small forgotten about cash. So we honestly have no idea how extensive these things really went.

That just goes to show how much research they had. The twenty thousand documents is breadcrumbs of what's what was left.

So to mine Operation snow White that we just talked about with the Scientology Church. Years of spy games to get all these documents, and it was like thirty three thousand documents, years and thousands of spies to get that this was one forgotten about small cash twenty two thousand.

Good lord, Yeah, this was a this was something that they were borderline obsessed with. So yeah, anyway, it says, but even this provides only a small window into what is perhaps one of the largest and most heinous government programs and cover ups in American history. So here we go the birth of Project mk Ultra at the height of the Cold War. And as you can see right here, here's one of the one of the redacted files. It

So they're basically talking about getting electroshock therapy to warrant certain responses based off of what image they were seeing.

Oh, this is like this is winter soldier shit too. Yeah, you know, so it's all encompassing, like how can we turn regular people into super soldiers? How can we control even the rest of the of the puppets minds out there? Right? So you want to get everybody on board with going to war so that you get the funding and the tax dollars, and so you're seen as the good guy. So it's all encompassing.

Right here, right right.

And that's not to say that the Russians were like good guys by any means. I'm just saying we're not necessarily the good guys either.

Like I've said before, do there hadn't been a war where there's been good, true good guys and true bad guys for quite some time. All the conflicts around the world right now, y'all, sorry, there's no good guys to.

Be found, right, so it says. As the Cold War moved into its peak era in the early nineteen fifties, the American intelligence community grew increasingly obsessed with the growing technological advancements of the Soviet Union. The US government feared, in particular that it was already falling behind the Soviet

For any of the newer listeners to the cult conspiracy, if the name Alan Dulles doesn't ring a bell, do a quick Google search and just check out the man's career and where he went and what he was in charge of in the timeframes that he was in charge. Kind of like the godfather of all of the quote unquote dirty deeds of the three letter agencies typically go back to one of like five guys. Alan Dulles is one of those five guys.

And those dirty deeds are not done dirt cheap. They're done on the American tax dollar.

There's a high tax dollar that I might add. You look at the amount of money that they soaked into these projects, which I understand that like a lot of that has been redacted as well, and we don't actually know all the details. Dude, this is not cheap to keep subjects in a lab and perform experiments on them for like twenty years. This is this is not something that can happen for like, oh, it's like a prisoner.

But so you if you have ever had any kind of questions that our government has ever dived into anything psychic or witchcraftian or magically or any of that kind of stuff, you think, oh, that's just fiction. That's just fantasy. And people that believe in that are just absolute nut jobs because there's no way. Well, let me bring you this to this sentiment right here. The program was quickly headed by chemist and poison expert Sidney Gottlieb, who was known in covert circles as the Black Sorcerer.

Right there, babe, It really a title that gets thrown around so loosely, right.

Black sorcerer, that's that's black magic, right, So that is you're you're working with demons, your work with evil spirits, you're working with poisons, you're working like this is the essentially the black square on the free Masonic checkerboard, right.

Yeah.

So one of Gottlieb's original goals was to create a truth serum that could be used against Soviet spies and prisoners of war in order to gain intelligence. Unsurprisingly, perhaps generating generating a truth serum proved difficult. Instead, researchers believe that a kind of mind control could be achieved by placing the subject in a heavily altered mental state, typically

Just everybody knows a truth serum again quick Google search away sodium foippen all that would be the quote unquote truth serum that would be discussing on this one. It's a real thing.

And this guy was a poison expert. And this is also back in the fifties.

So anyhow, I didn't exactly have all the same restrictions on what we can and cannot give to people at.

This time, right right, So it says in Gottlieb's own words, project mk Ultra's Mind experiments extensively, research extensively, researched extensively how drugs could enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture, and coercion, as well as produce amnesia, shock, and confusion. This is our government, This is our government now, okay.

Theorist, right, right, absolutely. What was that movie with Robin Williams where he became the president?

Oh I remember that movie?

Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you remember the woman that was trying to say, like, oh my god, the voting booths, it's there's a glitch in them or something like that. She was attacked. They injected her with something and she went schizophrenic and had to be hospitalized. And now, no matter what she says, she was just looked at like she was a druggie who had a psyschological break. So like, no one's going to listen to anything she has to say, whether it's true or not.

It's literally that literally that yes. And so whenever you're getting mainstream media discrediting alternative histories or alternative theories and calling them conspiracy theorists, that is this is this is really the magic behind it. It's a sigil in a sense, right, It's it's if you give somebody a title of a conspiracy theorist, you may as well just put a pedophile on their forehead. Nobody wants to talk to you now,

And for those that think that that just happened in a movie and that's just not real life, like, oh, I'm sorry, do we forget that. Martin Lawrence, at one point in time, was attacked and then ran through the streets of New York but naked, screaming that they were trying to kill him. And then he was putting the looney bin and oh, well, you know he suffered a psychotic break. Oh, Dave Chappelle, right, they were trying to kill him. His words, not mine. So he took off

So everybody that is out there getting but hurt about what Kanye is saying about the Nazis and shit like that, just know he absolutely went through an mk ultra type of program. At first, they were talking about giving him all these drugs to calm his mind down and basically dull him out a little bit, right, And so whenever.

He's said with Michael Jackson, right, actually came out they don't care about us. Next thing, you know, he strung out on some concoction that ended up killing him.

Really, so you think these people are crazy or what led them to this? You know, that's what you got it. Instead of judging a book by its cover, try and dive into the book itself and understand where it began. Because Kanye wasn't crazy in the beginning, he might have been a little special. I'd have been a little bit out there, but they did their best to try to hone in on, you know, the things that he was good at, is as far as producing music and writing

Look, anybody that's had any dealings with the Kardashians that is now on the outs with them, are all every one of them is saying that they are a coven of witches. That's not just like a thing that people say because they're jaded xes y'all. If every single person that's ever had dealings with that family is all saying the exact same thing, it sounds like to me being me here. We need to be listening, Yeah, a little bit. The truth is real and I mean that that's that is what.

It is to try and get my Kim Kardashians speech on. My god, I cannot stand that. And you know what's crazy is you want to talk about MK ultra before there's before the Kardashians came on the scene, as far as like the blue pilled women out there go. And then there's the blue pilled women out there that watch the Kardashians and they all talk and act like them.

I'm sorry. A vapid, shallow woman that only is consumed with herself is the most unattractive thing to me. I'm sorry, I like that. What good is that to anybody?

Yeah, like, you got to have a little bit of depth to you. If you're just surfaced, Like, get the fuck out of here. I want nothing to do with you.

Agreed. Yeah, please sell all the women out there watching the Keeping Up with the Kardashians, listen, You're better than that. I promise you. You are better than that. Watch something else, Please don't. Because your brain is a computer, Okay, as we are going to learn more about with this mk Ultra article on everything else that we are going to watch here, your brain is the most intricate computer that has ever been produced ever, and what you put into

I mean, it's not that crazy. Whenever you look into television and it literally spells out tell a vision. You got the channels you're channeling, right, you got every single show? What does that? Oh? A program? Right? Like? And so it's literally all over the place. It's telling you what it's doing. It's programming you. It's channeling information, it is telling you a vision. This is sorcery, So don't fall victim to that, Like you're more than that. This is modern day bread and circus.

Oh yeah. And also on that same vibe, don't let your kids watch Coco Melan or kayu, let's be good parents about it. Just throwing that out, don't do it.

Yeah, my son whenever he was going to daycare. He's not in daycare anymore, but whenever he was going to daycare, he started coming home and he started saying, So he's got the little Portuguese little swagger to him. He's a little bilingual baby, and so he says things and so like you know, kind of mixing like spanglish kind of thing, and so he'll start He came home from daycare one day and he started just singing, Cocomegan Coco mean, and we're like, we have never watched that in this house.

He looks like somebody's rich uncle, you know what I mean. He looked not like a full He don't look like a popol in this picture. I mean he looks like just some guy who works in an office somewhere, you know, just a well to do gentleman. You wouldn't look at him and immediately think, oh god, he is the Black Sorcerer of the United States Government. But boy, ol, boy, can looks be deceiving?

They walk among you and you wouldn't notice them.

Okay. Not every witch looks like Uma Abadeine or Lady Gaga, right, Not every dark sorcerer looks like a vampire that hasn't seen the sun in eight years. Like, No, they absolutely could be your neighbor.

The wizards have stepped up their game and they've mixed into the public eye without even being noticed. And to be honest, that's some invisible cloak type of shit, which you know, that's what your boy the uh Harry Potter, No, I was thinking of the wizard guy that we've talked to,

That is still one of our most listened to episodes of Alts, and I've been seeing him more and more. He's making his rounds onto certain YouTube spaces now like the man's story is getting some traction behind it and people are listening.

Very interesting fellow, without a doubt. So anyhow, let's get back to it. So from the beginning, mk ultra's mind control experiments were conducted with great secrecy, in part because the CIA was well aware of the dubious ethics involved. For secrecy state sake, The program's one hundred and sixty two experiments were spread out across multiple cities, college campuses, prisons,

I'm gonna look this up. Super hallucinogen b Z keep going.

Z, as well as widely available substances such as alcohol. Researchers would also sometimes administer two drugs with opposite effects, such as barbiture barbitur rate and it's oh, I've never seen it spelled that way though, and an amphetamine, so an upper and a downer right simultaneously. So they would administer these these two drugs simultaneously and observe their subjects reactions, or give subjects already under the influence of alcohol a

This b Z now? Okay? So the technical term for the scientific name for it is three quinn slid quin slidinal benzolate okay. Qn B is another term for it is an odorless and bitterless tasting military incapacitating agent. BZ is an antagonist of the uh muscurinic acetetylin receptors. Okay, So it basically fucks up your brain, it says, I gotta right here. What does BZ do to you? BZ is absorbed through the lungs and rapidly crosses the blood

Fuck that. Yeah, see you're you're gonna see demons in there.

Oh you're gonna see something. You're gonna because DMT is a natural chemical, right, your brain produces it itself. Every time you dream, you are essentially experiencing a DMT trip in a sense, right, not even in.

A sense that's actually what's going on.

Well, I don't want to use the term a trip, but I guess per per the definition.

I meaning you're experiencing non reality. Yeah, that's a good point.

It would be a DMT trip, a more controlled version of it, which is again something your brain does naturally. No problems here. It has the receptors to do it. It produces the chemical match all the stuff BZ is not that BZ is basically from from what I just read, it's way more potent than DMT. It hits you way harder and way faster. And it's not just a hallucinogen. It's an incapacitating hallucinogen. It was made for military grade usage, Like, oh my god.

So yeah, they were using that along with LSD THC, alcohol, amphetamines, barbituates.

I have met so many college educated idiots, it's astounding, fucking astounding.

Yeah. So, aside from drugs, researchers also use hypnosis, often in an effort to create fear in subjects that could then be exploited to gain information. Fear induced hypnosis.

Fuck, fear induced hypnosis. You remember your DMT trip where it was like the most amazing thing you'd ever experienced in your life, and then you remember the one where I am judging by your description of it, I think you might have actually peered into real hell, not the Dante's Inferno type, the type that is described in the Bible.

The void.

Yeah, so could you imagine being forced there over and over again by a government officials that's got you tied down to a table. Not to mention, they're using electro shock therapy all the while right to gain certain responses out of you, and you can't leave. They are not letting you leave. They erased all memory of you, They have erased all of your documentation. As far as anyone is concerned, you're not even a person that exists anymore.

Bro, Kill me, kill me when that happens. Like I couldn't handle three minutes of the void. Like you want to talk about these people possibly being put under hypnosis for days and weeks. Fuck that. I would much rather you just saw my fucking head off.

I think the According to the official documentation that we have on in Kotra, the longest continual experiment was eighteen months. Every day crime without a break no days off for eighteen months, a year and a half of going back, forced back to the void.

I will ram my head onto a spike before I let it go to day two.

And I mean again, that's just what we have found. It's very possible that they had somebody there for decades like we Again, we only have from the small cash of papers that wasn't destroyed, and that's the longest one on that record. That is not the entirety of what they did.

So researchers went on to investigate the effects of hypnosis on the results of polygraph tests and its implications for memory loss. This is your boy, Donald E. Cameron, who had been present at the Nuremberg Trials as a psychiatric evaluator for leading Nazi Rudolph Hess was one of the lead researchers in mind control experiments in mk ULTRA.

So this is how these shitheads that are very key players in very key moments in time just keep on doing shit things no matter where they go. It's insane.

Don't matter you're in Germany, you're in the United States. Whatever, baby, We're gonna try and push the human mind to its absolute limits. Sonyhow mk ultra participants were also subjected to

Yeah, we brought.

Him from We brought him from fucking Nazi Germany, working directly under Rudolph Hess. Okay, and they say that actually Rudolph Hess was really the one in charge.

You know.

He was basically like Hitler's right hand man whenever it came to a lot of the mind control shit. Yeah, we robbed that guy over and we started utilizing him and he becomes to life.

Yeah, he's the president of the Psychiatric Association for most of the North American continent. We didn't just use him as a doctor. We use him as like the source.

Dude, what the fuck is They.

Just said, a mixture of besy, electroshock therapy and paralytic drugs. So you're gonna paralyze them to where they can't move. You're gonna hook up electrodes to their brain and shock them to get certain responses, and you're gonna force them into a such a far degree of hypnosis and drug induced psychosis, the kind of which I don't think we actually can perceive with our own minds, Like the level of hallucinogen that they gave these people, and this guy was doing it.

This is as tortured as you can possibly be.

Oh my god, you think about it.

Whenever you go to jail and you get sent away, and you gotta you know, what does it call Whenever they have to go and spend a lot of time by themselves, they get separated solitary confinement. You go into solitary confinement. That is the worst punishment you can receive in prison, is solitary confinement and you're just in there by yourself, because the mind will run rampant if it's not communicating with other people, you know, keeping you grounded

So then they said earlier they also were using sexual things against these people. So not only are they doing all this to them, they're raping them in this state.

Walt Disney, what to do?

Oh, we're going there, I promise you. Let's keep going.

So anyhow, he drugged patients and repeatedly played tapes of noises or suggestions while they were comatosed for long periods of time, hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing memories in order to reprogram the subject's mind. In reality, these tests left the subjects comatose for months at a time and permanently suffering from incontinence and amnesia. Fuck, man, this is hell on earth, that's exactly. They brought hell to this reality.

And like I'm trying to think of, even if for the blue pillar out there was listening to this and this thinking this is not real life, even though again all this is documented, verified, certified, fucking circumcised, while we added this shit is real as fuck. There's no way around this. What we are talking about absolutely took place. Facts. Okay, that being said, even for the blue pillar out there that's listening right now, it's like, well he was trying

Yeah, permanently suffering. I'm sorry, leave me to be a schizophrenic before you put me through this bullshit.

Good god, dude.

So John C. Lilly, which he gets brought up a lot. John Lilly, a noted animal behaviorist, was also involved in the experiments. For his research in human communication with dolphins, he created the first sensory deprivation flotation tank mk Ultra. Scientists commissioned the tank to create a sensory free environment for their subjects to experience their acid trips without the stimuli of the outside world.

Yeah with the Yeah, here we go.

So, with such an arsenal of tools at their disposal, the project mk Ultra mind control experiments succeeded in severely disrupting the human mind, but at a great cost to its unwitting subjects. So who were the subjects of these ghastly experiments? Due to the classified nature of the program. Many of the test subjects were unaware of their involvement, and Gottlieb admitted that his team targeted in quotes, people

The marginalized people that could not fight back. So you chose the weakest candidate that you could to just basically hit blender, like hit Frappe on a blender on the brain of these people, and then gave them no care afterwards because they were disposable, because who's gonna miss them?

You know what fits every single one of these checkpoints kids yep. To say that they were not doing this with kids, keep in mind there was twenty thousand pages still left over where we're pulling this information from. That is nothing but a tiny cunt hair worth of information that they actually did. Okay, So of course they're not going to say that they were working on kids, but it is obvious they wanted people who could not fight back children. That's children.

Okay.

So and then you hear about Disney and and all that same thing. He was involved with all of that. So here we go. So some of the some of the subjects of mk Ultra were volunteers or paid students. Others were addicts who were bribed with the promise of

Yep, and again those things talked about for years and years. Everybody said, oh, you know Whitey Bulger was in with that MK ultra shit. No he wasn't documented.

Yes he was rude the dude from.

The Grateful Dead, all the dead Heads and all the hallucinogenic and psychedelic type of music and the vibes and the artwork and all that comes from MK Ultra. There's no two ways about this. This is certified factual information.

Yeah, buddy, So it goes deep, dude, it goes super deep. So some participants were voluntarily vocal about their involvement. Kessie, I don't know, if it's Kessi or Kesey, it looks like Kessie anyway. Kessi, for example, was an early volunteer and joined the project while he was a student at Stanford University to be observed while taking LSD and other psychedelic drugs. So the guy that wrote the one who flew over the Kucka's Nest, he like, he was like, yeah, I'll try it out.

But essentially that was like the g Rate experiment. They just wanted to hook up some diodes and let him take LSD and see what his brain was doing under the influence of a drug.

Yeah, they're not tortured.

I don't believe it was tortured.

No, No, they just yeah, he got the you said it perfectly, the PG version.

Well, I mean, especially if he's a volunteer and they know that he's going to be released from the program one day, they're only going to give him what, you know, the very beginnings of it. For the prostitute who is already like is not going to be, like I said, a marginalized person that can't fight. Oh, they're not just gonna test their brain. They're gonna do some real experimenting on it.

Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And so whenever you see or hear about people that go missing into like national forests, or you hear about people that uh oh, what was the there's like other ones.

Kids in cages? Well not I forgot about when Obama put those kids in cages. What happened to those kids? Did they go home? Did they get adopted? They're not in the cages anymore. What happened to them? Well, they didn't go anywhere. Good, let's just leave it at that.

You want to hear a fun, fucked up fact. So do you know that back in the day, whenever they would put like missing kids on the back of milk cartons, right, not ever was there a single kid found?

Not one.

So that's kind of creepy, like, why would you continue to keep on putting kids on the back of milk cartons and you don't find one? That's not even making a fucking effort at that point. So now that leads everybody to believe, well, whenever you go to the store you get a milk carton, oh my god, this this kid was taken with. I couldn't imagine if that was me. Right. Meanwhile, those poor kids are probably subject to these kind of programs.

And then you look at the milk industry itself. We did a whole episode about the underground cheese caves that we have in America. Again, not a conspiracy, understood fact. Anybody wants to look at DMI Dairy Management Institute and how they supplement the dairy farmers in America and why on earth would they be putting these kids' faces on milk cartons. There's no government conspiracy there until you find that the entire dairy industry is one giant government conspiracy.

And about how about we're all addicted to the dairy industry where whether it be milk or cheese or whatever, it is right, Like, I dude, I can't go without cheese, Like it's impossible. I need cheese on almost everything that I eat. And there is nothing more delicious and satisfying than whenever you're just going uzzle in a cup of fucking whole milk, bro like that is that is home to me? Right? Meanwhile, why it's fucking your entire like

Now, dude, But here's what has been proven. The dairy that we drink in America. I can't speak on behalf of Europe. I can't speak on behalf of Amish true raw unpasteurized milk. I can't speak on that.

Yeah, we're not talking about the We're not talking about the unpasteurized. We're talking about the shit that you're getting from grocery stores. That pasteurized bullshit that they take out all the nutrients.

From exactly the enzyme that is released whenever you drink that hits the same receptors as the opioid receptors in your brain. Let that one sink in as long as you need damn Yeah yeah, wow, it's all.

We literally are addicted.

That is literally addicted, Like we couldn't stop if we wanted to.

Wooo, no wonder. Pizza is my favorite food.

I mean, pizza burritos is literally what makes the world go round. I'm with you one hundred percent.

Big facts give me a New York slaves all day baby. So anyhow, talking about your boy Ken Kessey. So his experience was, according to him, a positive one, and he went on to publicly publicly promote the drug talking about LSD. The one that flew over the Cuckoo's Nest was also in part inspired by his experiences. But unlike Casey or Kessey, however, some participants did not have such positive experiences. He was just, you know, the the silver lining to the whole thing, right.

He was the face if it ever came to light of what they were doing, they could point to him and be like, look, he volunteered for this, and he had a successful Hollywood career and he had great experiences from it. I don't know what all these crazy quote unquote whistleblowers are saying. This guy had a great time. You know, it was done to discredit.

And then you have characters like Charles Manson. But we'll get to that. So the horrors experience by the participants. Untold numbers of MK ultra subjects were subjected to chilling abuses in the name of science, and one experiment, an unwinning mental patient in Kentucky was given a dose of LSD every day for one hundred and seventy four consecutive days. Yeah, that's half a year.

So literally six months straight every day being forced to ingest LSD. This is a mental patient who gets what everybody they can't give consent. That's impossible for somebody who has a mental deficiency of some type to say yes, I agree to this experiment being done to me. This is this is so much deeper than just rape, Like, this is so so fucked up against this person's will.

It's mental rape, it's physical rape. I mean, it's spiritual rape. It's every kind of rape stacked on top of each other. This is I'm I'm ashamed to even be a part of this conversation right now. To be real with you.

And y'all, not all these conversations are fun. Sometimes we have lighthearted episodes. We talk about some funny, hahahoho kind of things. Yeah, for sure, so as to get into the religion. Sometimes we get into the woo woo, fine, we're here for all of that. This is not one of those episodes. This is again certified, documented, factual information. And the sad and hard truth of this is that this is a part of our job. We have to talk about all of it, and some of it is

It's part of our country's history, it's part of our government's history, and so you need to know what you're messing with. If you're somebody that's like, oh, the government said so, so I believe it. Make sure you believe everything that they've done. Now, okay, just make sure you understand the good with the bad. Okay, absolutely, So, here are the uh oh, here we go. So the mental patient god LSD every day for one hundred and seventy

Yeah, he was one of the more brutal mob bosses. By the way, if anybody doesn't know about Whitey Bulger, I think Johnny Depp just played him in a movie as America. That was good and they took some creative liberties with some of the things from the story. But you could even go back and look at former mob bosses that are now speaking out about their former crime life.

Bro Our government essentially created Whitey Bulger, the character that he eventually ended up being.

Yeah, one hundred percent. That's then whenever everybody was freaking out because he was an informant, it's like, well, yeah, he was a government plant from day one. That's how that happened.

Yeah, buddy. Uh So, then we get to the unibomber Ted's Kazensky. So this is a picture of him in a prison in nineteen ninety nine. Uh Ted Kaczenski may have also been involved on as a subject in the MK ultra mind control experiments conducted at Harvard in the early nineteen sixties. Another undocumented but suspected participant was the infamous Charles Manson, convicted of ordering a string of brutal Los Angeles murders that shocked the nation back in sixty nine.

Bro Wow, like at the ranch or like growing up.

I can't remember. I think it was like as I don't want to misspeak, but he was his next door neighbor for a long time. That's wild, so Tom O'Neil. He wrote a book called Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties. Manson not only had people in his circle later connected to the CIA, but the way in which he ran his cult by doping his followers with constant flow of LSD, was oddly similar to the kinds of experiments carried out by mk Ultra.

One hundred percent. Keep in mind, dude, nineteen sixty nine, the same year that we allegedly put a man on the moon, we also have Charles Manson with these murders, and everybody wants to act like the two are not equally part of the mind controlled narrative.

Yeah, I mean, people just believe whatever was on TV right in front of them. Didn't question how they were receiving, you know, live live footage from the Moon. I mean, you received live footage in real time from the Moon, and nobody questioned that there was somebody already on the moon to like film the fucking Space Shuttle landing. It's like, oh my odd.

Hey, you listening right now? You feel that that's your third eye opening a little bit right now?

Yeah, that's bust an open, baby, bust that motherfucker open. So so, anyway, the unsuspecting subjects of MK Ultra weren't all civilians, though some of them were CIA operatives themselves. Gottlieb claimed that he wanted to study the effects of LSD in quote unquote normal settings, and so he began to administer LSD to CIA officials without warning.

Yeah, so this was pretty crazy, dude. For about fifteen years, agents of the CIA would just start like slipping each other LSD in their coffee and shit, just as practical jokes around the office also super documented and verified, Like, Bro, could you imagine you're working for one of the most powerful secret organizations in the government and you don't even know if you can go grab your cup of joe from the fucking office lunch room because you don't know

Uh yeah. Yeah, So it was played on as jokes, but also it was the experiment itself, so they it was. It was purpose behind it. It wasn't just like, oh, let me fuck with this guy. It probably turned.

Into that, but some of that for sure.

Yeah, there was definitely some of that, but it was administered like it was. It was being monitored.

Okay, bro, and everybody in that building's armed. Yo. Fuck that slipped somebody some LSD when they guaranteed have a pistol on their waist, Like you're asking for shit to go sideways.

Yeah. So the experiments continued for over a decade. Wow, they did it for over a decade to each other.

In fifteen years, my bad a decade give or.

Take even well, it says over a decade, so it could have been fifteen years. Even after an army scientist doctor Frank Olsen began to suffer from drug induced depression and jumped out of a thirteen story window right at the project's outset in nineteen fifty three.

So even though they had horrible experiences with it and like, oh shit, maybe we shouldn't do that anymore. Nah, fuck that, the experiment must go on.

What was it back in that day? Like marijuana madness? What was the term that you refer madness? Dude, refer madness? Remember the all the commercials they made a movie out of that. They were trying to show everybody, this is the effects of your mind on THC. Meanwhile, it was really LSD, Like everything that they were talking about was was exactly the effects of LSD.

And they still have some of that remnants today. Refer madness, that stupid fucking black and white movie where you know it was all about racism. It was to show basically, these these people from south of the border coming here with that reefer and their madness. If a white man smokes it, he's gonna go into a frenzy of rage and rapiness. And it's like bro first of all, first and I even heard it was a politician like ten years ago. I think who was like, good people don't

So maybe a little paranoid, but sure. I mean, you're not even getting up off the couch to go look out the window to you if you're paranoid, Like, dude, I don't even want to fuck one of ro. I'm too high, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't want to do anything when of ro I'm too high Like that.

It was so stupid, But again to your point, it was all about the image. It was about the what can we put out into the public zeitgeist to keep people away from this horrible thing. Don't worry about that. How about you drink some laudanum, which is poisoned opium. Right, we're gonna do that. But all that natural marijuana flower Nah, Nah, that's that's a devil atis it's what.

Yeah. So for those who survive the fallout of the experiments included things like depression, antoorgrade and taro grade. Oh there we go, and tarograde and retrograde amnesia, paralysis, withdrawal, confusion, disorientation, pain, insomnia, schizophrenic like mental states. As a result of the experiments, long term effects like these largely went untreated and unreported to authorities, of course they did so. How mk ultra's mind control experiments finally came to light in early nineteen

So these so let's not forget Gerald Ford, who was not a lie to the office of the presidency. Right, he's the only president, as a matter of fact, that was Speaker of the House and then became president, and then you realize that he was on the Warrant Commission who investigated the Kennedy assassination. Two weeks of investigation, they

Yeah, So you get rid of mk ULTRA and you replace it with the Rockefeller Commission. Good job, You fucking did us a solid one there, Bud fucking American hero.

Wow.

So the overall investigation revealed that Helms had destroyed most of the evidence regarding mk ULTRA, but that same year, a collection of eight thousand documents were discovered in a financial records building and later released under a Freedom of Information Act request. In nineteen seventy seven, when the remaining documents were made available to the public, and IT launched a collection of hearings on the ethics of the project later that year. Survivors soon filed lawsuits against the CIA

Well, most of the records were either redacted or destroyed. So you just have this person who's quote unquote mentally handicapped, is unable to hold a job, is tortured and traumatized beyond all belief, and they're saying that it was because of Alan Dulles in this agency. But sorry, we have no record of your name anywhere near this agency. What are you talking about, bro?

And So whenever you hear like you'll go on to social media or YouTube or something like that, and you'll hear about people who know for a fact that they were involved in to Winter Soldier like experiments and they talk about how like literally all of their attributes and all of their abilities were enhanced big time, like literally Winter Soldier type shit. And you see them they're talking about it, and they're going in depth about you know

And that's the problem, dude. There's tons of grifters, you know what I mean. There's tons of people that will just try to ride the way for fame and four notoriety and claim that they were somewhere that they weren't, and you could look at their whereabouts and like, wait a minute, you're saying that you were part of NK Ultra. The age record says that you were in middle school in Wyoming at that time, and you know, well they changed the records. That's not real. It's like, okay, so it becomes.

Impossible to prove at that point and which is actually which is done on purpose. So yeah, there are absolutely people out there that are that they just want to be famous, and that's part of the fucking operation itself. I believe. I think that this is all part of the plan to be able to just dismiss these kinds

You know.

Of course you're gonna take liberties and making it awesome for a TV show, But the ways in which they administered these types of these types of experiments was smart on so anyway, it says. The government does not deny that the MK Ultra experiments took place, but most of what transpired remains a mystery. It has admitted that the experiments took place across eight institutions and often on unwinning subjects. Most of the discussions surrounding the experiments today comes from

Why wouldn't they Why what they were getting real results from it, and they were able to accurately create a killer, create a cult leader, create a best selling a musical artist. Why would they stop? Yeah, they got caught in all these things, dude, they would just go deeper underground. Why would they stop this?

Exactly? Everything's so compartmentalized that it like only a said group of people are even aware that the shit's going on.

I mean, I've heard we're supposed to believe the CI developed a concience out of nowhere. We're really about to have that conversation. I'm sorry, that's just not true, dude.

I've heard basically what whistleblowers come out and they're talking about whatever it is, whatever they're whistleblowing on, whether it be you know, Edward Snowden as far as Big brother antics and all that stuff, or you know, other people

Usually spies don't know who else out there as a spy. They have their point of contact that they report back to, and that's it. How many times have we seen reports of like or I know, I have any way of like guys that were doing like counter terrorism operations, counter drug operations. And no I don't mean like Seal Team six, no, no, no, I mean like actual three letter agencies, things that you've

Yeah, yeah, So it's basically ghost activity essentially. So that brings us to this and this is something rather peculiar timing in which they released this information. Uh, they released this information on Christmas Eve of last year. Ooh, perfect time to release and drop a bombshell on something like this, because you're out with your family, you're getting Christmas presents, you're you're in the festivities as one does during the during the holiday season. Right, so you dropped something.

Into this absolutely hell, we even get We do this for a living. I remember hearing that something else had dropped. I didn't pay no mine.

Yet because it's so flooded with all this crazy other shit that's going on. And then you couple that, because think about it, Trump had just gotten elected, he had just gotten into the White House. Things are starting to change, right. No, no, he wasn't even in the White House yet. I think that wasn't until January.

But he had been elected, got elected, and he had just got shot in the fucking head, and all these things had taken place.

But yeah, there's that, right, And so they they they release it basically in the shadows. They release it in places they know that you're not gonna look. And so and then we don't hear about it for months or years or decades later. Right, So here we go. What is this is by Newsweek, by the way, it says, what is mk Ultra? CIA secret mind control program records unsealed? So new shit, here we go. So newly declassified records on the CIA's infamous mk Ultra program have been published

It?

Says National Security Archive in a statement, It says, despite the agency's efforts to erase this hidden history, the documents that survive this purge and that have been gathered together here present a compelling and unsettling narrative of the CIA's decades long effort to discover and test ways to erase

Government official to say so many times that the ends justify the means. Listen, I understand are in time of war. Okay, I understand he got a crack a few eggs to make an omelet. I get that. It's not a comfortable conversation I have, but I get it. This guy just used that as his defense like three separate times in that one statement. So what he's basically saying is we're going to do what we want and there's nothing you can do about it because it's quote unquote for the

Exactly. So, it says historians and researchers are expected to analyze the documents to better understand mk ultra scope and implications. Further, public discussions may arise about governmental accountability and boundaries in intelligence operations. So it doesn't dive in too deep as far as specific experiments, but it does say that there were twelve hundred more documents that were just uncovered and they're going through them right now. So yeah, yeah, pretty

Here we go.

So that leads us into what possibly came from that. And this is something that I personally had never heard of before because we always talk about MK ultra. But have you ever heard of Project MK often?

I feel like I've heard of it before, but because it was MK whatever, I kind of just lumped it in my brain as the same kind of thing as MK. All probably a subset of or something like that, kind of like artic choke, you know what I mean. So to answer your question, no, I don't know much about it, but I feel like I've heard of it before.

All right, So Project MK often the CIA's foray into occult and behavioral research. Oh they love a fuck They expanded upon it.

Oh so now not only do we have mind controlling LSD and all this stuff on unwilling substjects, but now we're gonna go ahead and throw in the occult and dark magic, remember, because that's what we needed. Next.

Remember, they brought the poison expert over from Germany and called him the black uh Sorcerer.

Sorcerer.

Ye right, So of course it was going to expand into this again.

Yeah, we said that. We even said it earlier in this episode. That's not just some fly by night nickname that you would give a guy uh uh okay. And especially in the sixties whenever we had help me out guy who was involved with putting a man on the Moon, that was big with Alistair Crowley Parsons.

Oh, Jack Parsons, Yeah.

Jack Parsons right. Alistair craw had just come through America around that timeframe. All of these things. So then on top of all of this shit going on, and these MK ultra fucks are creating serial killers and all that, now we're gonna just throw in some occult black magic into the mix. I wonder where that gets its basis from. I'm excited, let's go So.

Project MK often was one of the most enigmatic and bizarre programs undertaken by the Central Intelligence Agency during the nineteen sixties and early seventies. It was part of a broader CI. It was part of the broader CIA efforts to into mind control and behavioral modification, sharing similarities with the notorious MK Ultra program. However, what set MK often apart was its focus on exploring the fringes of human consciousness, occult practices, black magic, and the potential use of the

A little bit. I'm a little chubbed up just hearing you. It's like, ooh historical context, oh ho tall dirty.

Anyway, the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union was in full swing, and both superpowers were desperate to gain an edge in the realms of intelligence, military strategy, and psychological warfare. This environment of heightened paranoia led the United States government to explore unconventional method of gathering intelligence, manipulating human behavior, and even gaining insight into

My god, dude, and I could I could even understand, and I understand. I could see them having this conversation, like, listen, listen, we just heard that the Russians got some witch doctors over there, and they're calling out demons for their military Why are we not throwing money into demon research. We need to do it now, Just take my money and like next thing, you know, where got government contracted witches to call upon demons for military purpose. I could see it already, dude.

Oh yeah, yeah, it gets kind of crazy. But also don't forget I mean paper Clip involved, you know, bringing over Nazi scientists Hitler and the other guy, what was his name, Hassan Rudolph he S. Hitler and Rudolph Hes were heavily involved into this kind of work already. So we brought them over or you know, constituents thereof over to the United States. And this was probably something that they had been working on for decades already.

It was just something that was in on the dark magic and the occult, the Thule Society. We've done whole episodes about Nazi occultism and black magic that they were using and diving into. So if we already got these scientists that are helping us develop rockets Warner von Braun or helping us develop MK ultra, like your boy that worked for Hesse and all of these things, oh wait a minute, y'all already know about the dark magic. And

Yeah, so it's not uncharted territory. Whenever they reference and frame it like this, like oh, well, they were just trying to gain an advantage against the Russians, it's like, no, you already had people in place that were working on this already. You use this as an excuse to dive in deeper into the research of it is really what was going on. So the objectives of Project MK often exploring the occult and supernatural. By the way, this is

Because you know, you know what those warfighters need on the front lines.

Some sorcerers, some fucking demons. Yeah, let's bring over the dark side.

Well, you're telling me we could just like call upon a skin walker to go fuck up the entire front line of the enemy and save all of our troops. Listen, why are we not funding this, bro? Yeah again, I could. I already I think a shot called this one. I didn't actually think it was gonna happen to that extent, but like, here we are.

This involves studying rituals, symbols, and practices from various occult traditions, including Satanism, witchcraft, and voodoo. The agency was interested in whether these practices could influence human behavior or be weaponized in some way. So the same think about it here for a second. We just got done, listen, we just got done reading about whenever they decided disperse, to disperse MK ultra right with Gerald Ford, there was uh, he

Shortly after that commission, the Church commission, that's what that was.

Shortly after that, they're delving into black magic, satanism, witchcraft, and voodoo. Make it make sense?

I want to, but I simply can't. But I mean, as far as like everybody's saying the government is evil, listen, we're not even guessing it at this point, they're showing.

It right in front of you. So good God number two. So after the occult in black magic, they were also interested in supernatural phenomena. MK often also explored the possibility of using supernatural forces such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and other

So the people talked about Project Stargate more than a few times.

So the people that look at like, oh, the CIA, they were just you know, they were just messing around with remote viewing. It wasn't theyven really taking very serious. Oh no, they utilized the fuck.

Out of it.

Okay, this is not like, oh, it's just one of the things. No help them majorly. So anyway, that's just one of the facets of this program. Number three, of course, drug induced paranormal experiences. Building on MK Ultra's research into drugs, MK often investigated whether certain substances could induce paranormal experiences, out of body sensations or altered states of consciousness that

It simply must like, they can't help themselves.

Number four, Behavioral manipulation through occult symbolism. Let's go baby. Whenever you're watching the Super Bowl halftime show, you're like, why is it that Rihanna's holding up the Illuminati symbol? Why is this going on? Whenever you see who was just the most recent one on stage that was calling out Drake Eiadrick Lamoar, Kendrick Lamar, And you see a lot of the symbolism. There's a little bit of Illuminanti, a little bit of Satanism. You're like, why is that? Well, well,

That's what I'm saying, Yeah, if you were using this strictly against your enemies in a war zone or something, I'm not even saying that's okay, But like I could at least put the pieces together in my head. Right, But when what classifies enemy? Right? What do they classify as an enemy? Somebody that won't fall in line, for instance, could be considered an enemy of the state, homegrown, something

You're either with us or you're against us. That's how they look at you.

Okay, Higgins always justify the means to these people.

Always so so Yeah, occult symbolism, they're absolutely utilizing it back then and to today. It's not hard to find watch any Disney movie, any of them, any fucking Disney movie, you'll find it, Okay, nextly, And that's not just only Disney, it's just like the most obvious within Disney. It's really all over the place. Whether you're watching a baseball game, whether you're watching a Hollywood movie, whether you're watching the news.

You mean Masonic ball, yes, sir, the square on compass. It's in how you go to the right handed path when you hit the ball. And we did a whole episode on it. Ladies and gentlemen, go back and check that one out. But like, yeah, it's there's no escaping it at.

This point, absolutely not. So another way that they would use it is psychic warfare in mind control. Some of the more speculative goals of MK often included the idea that psychic warfare, using mental powers to influence others, could be developed into a practical tool for military or espionage purposes. The CIA explored the possibility that individuals with advanced psychic abilities could be trained to project thoughts, control others' minds, and even perform telekinesis.

Okay, So I remember us learning about the uh Stargate program, and like they the people that were able to do the things were people that were able to do the things. I all the research that I read, they trying to get your average normy to be able to unlock those

So I mean, I don't know, yeah, and that's what they say. There was recently a gentleman that went on to the Joe Rogan show. What was his name? Oh god, it's escaping me. Anyway, he went onto the show and he was part of the remote viewing operation back in the seventies and whatnot, and he said that there were certain like it's absolutely like a skill. You're born with it or you're not. It's something that you can try to get good at. Like, for example, I played football

This happened years after MK ulture was disbanded, right, I thought, So.

That's what we all thought. So, yeah, there's a little bit of continuity there. So among the key figures in MK often where Sidney Gottlieb, who we were talking about, is the Black Sorcerer, the chief of the CIA's Technical Services division, and Richard Helms, the CIA director During the late sixties and early seventies. In addition to its internal personnel, the CIA enlisted a number a number of external experts

The efficacy of black magic, so these people were getting paid tax dollars to come to a government building and perform a ritual. Oh yeah, it's kind of crazy, how you know, Once again, not to call back to the former Satanic wizard that came on our show who literally said that this was going down, that government officials were hiring him and his crew of wizards and witches to perform black magic rituals to get a certain response from it.

So and you know, and your boy was doing that in the nineties.

Yes, yes, I was going to Bohemian Grove and he was meeting all these super wealthy elite people and they were asking him to perform sacrifices so that they could get this or that to happen, and he was getting paid through the nose to do it. And he says the organization is still doing it today. I believe he even named the OTO as that group. You know, everybody

He even talks about his conversation at Bohemian Grove with Bill Clinton.

Yes, well, and I found that to be odd because I didn't think Bill Clinton would go there. Bohemian Grove has seemed to be or has traditionally been the place where Republican high heavy elites go to hang. But I guess, you know, after the nineties and things kind of certain things started to blend a bit.

I could imagine it wasn't Nixon. Who's the other guy I'm thinking of? The actor?

Nixon was there? No, Reagan was there.

Reagan was who I was thinking of. I believe that it was Ronald Reagan that was asked about Bohemian Grove and he goes, that's the most faggy, goddamn thing I've ever seen.

That's a Nixon quote.

Oh is Nixon? Okay? I always give those two.

But straight up, he was a hardcore, staunch Republican that went there multiple times. It's the fast thing I ever seen, these men playing naked in the woods, even though you went back multiple times. My boy, m yeah, buddy, yeah. Once again, if anybody wants to go back and listen to those Satanic Wizard episodes that we had him on, great guy, love him to death. I would love to have him back on here eventually. And he is you know,

So so you have a cult to some magicians. But they also included parapsychologists. So experts in the field of parapsychology, which is the study of psychic phenomena, were also brought up in the project to provide insight into telepathy, clairvoyance, and esp esp related abilities. Their role was to assess whether these abilities could be harnessed for espionage or military purposes, which they absolutely were absolutely. Nextly you brought they brought

Versus Jason, Oh yeah, one of my favorites, one.

Of the best movies ever did. I just love it. It was it was perfect for its time and even honestly, I feel like it holds up. I just watched it like last year. Still love it so solid.

And that's the kind of horror movies I like, the slasher flicks like that. Like I don't like watching demonic based things or Coven of Witches things, you know, the conjuring. You know, I'm not a fan.

I don't like that either.

But I mean, like Saul, Freddy Jason, Lil Mike Myers, these things, and I understand there is still a spirit of horror movie in it. There is still a darker spirit attached to these movies. I get it. But it's also in the realm of like something that could never really happen. Freddy Krueger is not gonna come kill you in your dream, you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's not meant to be that way. And the whole storyline and plot of them are so bad that they're almost a comedy.

You know what I mean exactly? Yeah, so it's yeah, I mean, but to be fair, Texas Chainsaw Masacre was kind of based on truth.

That's why I left that one out. That's why I left that one out. I'm not a big fan of that one either. I know that people think that it's you know what, I'm not a big fan of it because I do know that it was based on some reality. And yes, I understand that Mike Myers is that kernel of truth that was the inspiration behind it, and Jason X and all of that. But anyway, to your point, Freddy versus.

Jason, Yeah, yeah, So anyway, what I was saying about that was is that if you remember a lot of those people that were around whenever Freddy was haunting their nightmares and stuff, a lot of them got shifted off to the mental ward right, and they were always given that medicine to help them forget and also to take them out of society so that society could flourish without Freddy Krueger disrupting the entire community.

Right. Meanwhile, medicine would make it to where you couldn't dream.

Yeah. Yeah. So meanwhile old boy escapes the mental institution. He escapes it and then goes back to town starts telling everybody about it, which ultimately ends up being a bad thing because then everybody's getting taken out by Freddie. So I feel like there's always little bits of remnants of truth in movies like.

This, yep, one hundred percent.

So now we get into experiments and rituals as far as MK often goes, it says occult magic and mind control. So while much of the documentation related to a Project MK often remains classified or has been destroyed, some of the more bizarre and ethically questionable experiments have been revealed through declassified documents and testimonies. These experiments often involved a combination of occult rituals, drug administration, and psychological manipulation, creating

Okay, they were skeptic really, just like they did all these experiments on MK ulture and they found that, you know, oh well, it didn't really make mind control even though they continued the practice. Yeah, they may not have had a military application, but I'll bet you they had a real life practical application that they started using.

Yeah, and that's where we're going to get a little bit more into it. Whenever we're getting into Mockingbird and mocking j Okay, that's where this leads to so it's not necessarily on foreign enemies, talking about how this application is being used against your own people. So then you have the drug induced paranormal investigations. So another major focus of Project MK often was was the use of psychoactive

I mean, try to make that make sense to a government three letter agency pencil pusher who's documenting what he's looking at Like that's it's they not to quote biblical here, but they don't have eyes to see what they're looking at. You see what I'm saying. It's just it doesn't necessarily compute.

No, not really, I mean you're talking about other worldly shit. So right anyway, Uh, there is the next one. It dives a little bit more into the occult symbolism and psychological warfare. So MK ulture's experiments and behavior modification. Behavior modification okay often included psychological manipulation techniques, and mk often

I find that to be interesting because, I mean, the skull is a symbol that's been used for so many different things, for so many different purposes, by so many different cultures, some very good, some very bad. Whatever. The pentagram very similar. It actually has its basis as a Christian sigil. It got taken in use and inverted by the state forces, and all these things. The whole thing of like instantly getting a fear of danger or something

How the individual's mental defense would withstand during interrogation and warfare. So it's using those symbols that have been around forever. But how does it pertain to what we're trying to achieve within.

This got you? Got you?

So? Then there were obviously the ethical and legal issues surrounding Project MK often Shocker right. So, like MK Ultra, MK often raised serious ethical concerns. The program involved experimentation on human subjects, often without their informed consent. Participants in MK often drug experiments, were sometimes unaware of what substances they were being given or the full extent of the

I agree that we do need some sort of an international intelligence agency. I get it. I really do. We need spies in other countries to let us know what they're planning next, if they are enemies or whatever the case.

To monitor, to monitor. That's it for.

Other fucking countries. Bro. We had the FBI for the internal shit. Why the fuck is all of this involved with our international organization rather than our national If we're doing it on our own fucking people, this is where I have a problem.

Yeah. Yeah, you're an enemy CIA.

You are the enemy, an enemy of the state, an enemy of the people. Yes.

JFK tried to take him down. Remember Gorilla's by night.

Uh huh, this is what he was referring to him. Nixon used them for his own purposes, i e. The Watergate stand or right, he had his plumbers that were sent out to find the leaks. If you will, next thing, you know, Lbj's using them for all of his shit. Well, I say, next thing, you know, he came after, he came before Nixon. But it's not the point. Is that

Uh. Yeah, everybody in the CIA whenever Trump got elected, was entirely against Trump, entirely against him. They tried to do everything they could to try and sue him, to try and make him look like the bad guy. You have the mockingbird media that is out there parroting what

So the same thing, just the opposite side of the coin. But that's the same thing. They're still mockingbird and it and mocking Jy and all that. They're just regurgitating whatever they're told to repeat. That's why you have people like I know, a controversial figure to some Tucker Carlson when he left, and it was Megan Kelly when they left Fox News, and they're able to say whatever the fuck they want. Do you notice that their ratings go sky high as opposed to Fox News that have kind of

Oh yeah, yeah. So anyway, anyway, so the CIA behavioral research programs began to wind down. The reasons for the program's decline were likely multifaceted. So the lack number one, the lack of consistent results. Of course, you're not gonna find consistency in any any occult magic, any kind of anything like that. It's there's so many facets whenever it comes to witchcraft and magic and all that shit.

Like you have a guy you talked to that does sacrifices and he has a ninety nine percent success rate.

I don't know, Yeah, I don't know if they were performing sacrifices. Now, they didn't say anything about sacrifices, so maybe they were. But I mean, honestly, I think that.

Even said that in the article earlier they were doing this, that the officials could document what it was to see if they would have some sort of a military use, and they may have said, you know, on their paperwork, this voodoo practice, right, this sacrificing of this chicken or something, no military use available subdendum, second page, super useful for personal gains. We definitely need to start investing more heavily in this. But about Yeah, the official report said there

Absolutely, So the uh, the black magicians out there, they're there. Let's just say that there their batting average is a little bit higher.

Which is what these people were, right. They were calling upon black magicians, occultists, and voodoo practitioners. And I'm sure there were some santarea practitioners. I'm sure there were some like far Eastern philosophical uh dark occult practitioners that were in this mix as well. This is again, y'all, this is a segment of the information. This is not the entire story of MK often so.

It's uh, yeah, it was it led to the Okay, let me read this real quick. So it says lack of consistent results. It says while the projects experiments produced some intriguing anecdotes, while there was little consistent or reliable evidence that occult rituals, psychic abilities, or paranormal experience experiences

Practical military use. I feel like they just kind of glazed over that word. I feel like that's the critical word of all of this. So what they're saying essentially is that, yes, these things, there's some interesting stuff with it, but we don't see how the army infantry could use this to better their their advantages. Okay, the army may not be able to, but I bet the you know, the White House could.

For sure for sure. Well, the guy that I was thinking of it just came to me, how put off. So if you listen to that interview, how put off on the Joe Rogan experience, fucking one of his best shows in my personal experience. So Number two, public exposure and political pressure. As the US government faced increasing scrutiny over its secret programs in the wake of the Watergate scandal, many of the CIA's covert research projects came under investigation.

I wonder if this had anything to do with the Satanic panic of the seventies, eighties and nineties around the time when this was getting quote unquote wrapped up.

Interesting, Oh yeah, they always liked the shift blame and maintain their innocence.

Denyed, denied, deny, make counter accusations, implement others. There's a whole there's an arc to this. There's like a rubric that they go off of.

Absolutely, and you could see this even like if you go back to the Hillary versus Trump campaign back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen time, you could see at Big Time, everything that she was alleging the true was a part of was something that she was actually carrying out herself. So this is that this is that MK ultra in a sense, because if you hear that Donald Trump is doing all these things and it already sounds like what

Yeah, one hundred percent.

So then anyway, you have a shift in intelligence priorities. By the mid nineteen seventies, the intelligence communities focus shifted away from behavioral and cult research toward more conventional methods of intelligence gathering. As the Cold War progressed, resources were redirected toward technological advancements and surveillance, signals, intelligence, and cryptography. I find it hard to believe that you would just

Right, But I mean that's the thing. Would you consider this necessarily higher advanced technology? Like I don't know if I would call a cult ritualism necessarily advanced technology.

No, no, no, I'm saying that they scrapped all this for advanced technology such as surveillance and shit like that.

I see, I see, I say, but I don't know why.

You would separate the two. Why wouldn't you combine.

Them, right? You know, like they probably did.

I think I think they absolutely did. It's not even a question. So then it gets into the legacy of Project MK, often a dark chapter in the CIA history. At Project MK, often, like at sibling MK, Altro, left behind a legacy of controversy, secrecy, and ethical debate. The project is a reminder of the lengths to which the US government was willing to go during the Cold War in its quest to gain a strategic advantage over its adversaries.

And again, like using this for the purpose of surveillance, I could see that being not as efficient, if you will, because like they had microphones and cameras and like hidden stuff like that even while Nixon was in office, right, That's what the Watergate was about. They were planting listening devices and taking pictures of all the all the paperwork

Or they used it as a tool to learn from to be able to develop technology that could do it better exactly exactly. So it's sick really. So anyway, that leads us into Mockingbird. Wherever here we're talking about mka aulture, we're talking about controlling people's minds, wiping it absolutely clean, injecting the use of drugs and sigils and symbols that you see on TV, including occult practices and satanic witchcraft and all this other crazy shit. Well, how are they

Okay, okay, So let's.

Start out with Project Mockingbird first and then we'll get to Project mocking J or Operation I'm sorry, I keep on Project Operation. Same shit. So Project Mockingbird or Operation Mockingbird was a real CIA program launched during the early Cold War era designed to infiltrate, influence, and control American

The third party, a little contractor work for sure.

Yes, yes, you know this because we wanted you know it. Kind of shit. So how it worked. They would pay journalists to insert intelligence intelligence approved narratives into mainstream news, Intelligence improved approved narratives. So every all the storylines, everything that you see in the newspapers, on TV, and all that shit has been run through the filter of the CIA. Okay, absolutely, And then it funded front organizations like the National Student

One hundred percent, look over here, not what's going on behind the curtain.

Now you see me baby? Oh, which, by the way, you know they're coming out with the new now you see me.

A third one?

Yeah, damn, I bring bringing all the original cast and then there's gonna be new magicians in there too. I fucking love those movies.

I do. I love those movies. They're pretty sick.

So back to it. It says they manipulated foreign news agencies whose stories would be picked up by US outlets or a feedback loop of manipulation.

This is sick.

It's so genius. It's so genius.

They got to know if they got the right response, that they can either pump more into it or shift gears slightly. They have to get everybody in. You got to keep them within the lane, bro, within the left and right lateral limits.

Check this out, and this is not going to be a shocker, but the CIA had operatives inside major outlets, including The New York Times, The Time Magazine, Newsweek, CBS, and AP.

As a matter of fact, to further that point, when the paper, I forget what it was, I think was the New York Times, the matter of fact, this new writer who happened to be a naval intelligence officer, right first story he ever wrote became the front page headline, and if not mistaken, it was about JFK M M M. Crazy. How that works out?

Yep, yep. You gotta work years to get that kind of pull.

Oh my god, to be a writer for a paper, to move up to an editor, to move up to whatever, to get your story on the front page. That is like a major crowning achievement that most newspaper writers dream of. This guy, right out of the gate, a retired naval intelligence officer, just got it that quick first ail on the job.

Look, you're never retired, That's the thing. It's a facade. Really. Once you're in, you're in.

That's why you're a part of the agency. You never exactly leave the agency. Man.

That's why whenever I see people who are super high up ranking in the military or the CIA or the FBI, now they're coming out clean and they're they retired from that, so now they're allowed to talk about it, and I'm like, shut the fuck up. Anybody who believes what you're saying. Now, I think that there are some good people and not everybody is absolutely like totally manipulated in some form or fashion, But you got to look at where they came from.

But I mean it goes even not just those types of content creators, because we've heard different people like that, these former Navy seal guys and these former Three Letter Agency guys. What's the dude, Andy Boussamonte, right, former spy? He and his wife are both spies. Then they start a YouTube channel and it's like instantly successful in all

Yeah, buddy shocker.

That her dad would be a part of the military industrial complex. She grew up super well to do, super well off, never missed a fucking music festival anywhere. All of a sudden, she's taken this like hippie dippy, we don't need money, we don't need this, And everything she sings about is that. Meanwhile, her dad works for Lockheed Martin as a contract pilot quote unquote. You know, it's so many things. It's not just the content creators on

Yeah, yeah, and there's and I don't want to harp too much on this, but I think that it needs to be said that there are people out there that you might even like. There are people out there that you might even believe are giving like nuggets and kernels of truth, and they are that you have to give nuggets and kernels of truth. That being said, do not follow what one individual says one hundred percent. I don't care if it's us. You shouldn't follow us one hundred percent.

People to fact check us, google the shit we say we get things wrong sometimes absolutely.

Also, Jacob might be a fed so we don't know.

Jonathan might be my handler. We don't even know.

It's crazy, y'all. That being said, though, I know that there's a lot of people, mainly your boy Owen Benjamin, that has been calling out, Oh what's the dude with the with the mustache?

Went on?

Joe Rogan, mister balin, no shit, what is his name?

The guy who was like a hardcore liberal CUK and now all of a sudden he speaks a lot about conspiracies.

Uh, the guy who who used to blare the whistle on uh on game stop, and now he's talking about how the Jews are basically running the world.

Yes, not Evans. Uh.

I can't remember.

I look it up. I know the guy's face in my head right now, but I can't. I can't think of it. You keep talking. I'm gonna look it.

Up, all right, All right, sorry about that. Cult members, we you know, our minds can only retain so much information, and my mind's kind of set on this one. But anyway, so this we're back to Operation Mockingbird. So yeah, it was infiltrated into the New York Times Time magazine CBS, Newsweek, and Associated Press, the known collaborators. These are confirmed or alleged. So it's hard to really get like solid, you know,

Think don't listen to one hundred percent of what he says either, y'all. Four years ago, he was some basically a college kid who, like, if I'm not mistaken, he campaigned for Obama and like campaigned for Biden and like he you know, all these things. He was that guy. He woke up, thank god, and now he's spreading information that needs to be spread. But again, don't listen in one hundred percent.

But even with that, I can't help but imagine this guy blew up literally out of nowhere, and with then just a year or two of all of his research, he's on Rogan. You know, I I I'm looking at that, like and it's not even a jealousy thing. But we've been doing this five years and we haven't had anybody like that reach out to us right, Like it's not it's not a jealousy thing. It's like a what the fuck you know? Like how did that? And I and don't mistake it. Like he's very well spoken, he's very

Oh my god, I would be a dream. He's a solid guy and I would love to have him on the show. Our point is, and like we said, even at ourselves, don't take a hunch percent of what we say as it's completely concrete truth. Google us, search the shit that we talk about and see if we are completely out of left field here or if we're based. Okay, we ask people to do this. Hit us in the comments on this and let us know, okay, we would like to adjust. We want to be one hundred percent accurate.

And obviously, like the obvious people that are in mainstream media now that this would like the arrow would point to. And I don't even want to harp on it because I actually happen to like both of these people, and that is Alex Jones and David Ike. So those very well could be controlled up it's been I'm not the first person to say that, I won't be the last person to say that. It's not even something that I

Bro Tucker Carlson goes on and says that Russia is quote unquote fighting for its life right now, perfect example, America has thrown in every bit short of nuclear warfare in on the Russian conflict. I about fell out of my fucking chair laughing whenever I heard Tucker say that. And I love Tucker Carlson. I listened to him a fair amount, but like, oh, I'm sorry, what Marine division was just sent to the Ukrainian front lines. I must

Remember that the lyricist for The Grateful Dead was involved in MK Ultra The Grateful Dead, in which Tucker Carlson was a deadhead for a very long time.

So self proclaimed, self proclaimed, that's not some internet lore. He even says this.

So that's what I'm trying to say here. It's not as cuttinger as you'd like it to believe. There's no such thing as a good guy and a bad guy. Everything is blurred everything, and that's all perfect.

Well, I will say there's such a thing as a bad guy. I will say there's not much sense of looking for a good guy. None can really be found anymore.

Yes, absolutely so. So the known collaborators, whether they be confirmed or alleged, would be Joseph Alsop, who was an influential communist whose articles were used to influence elite circles. Then you have Ben Bradley, who later he was the editor of The Washington Post, claimed that he knew of CIA ties and journalism. Then you have William Paley or Pally from CBS allegedly cooperated with the CIA in allowing coverage to be influenced. Think of Twitter, Think of Facebook.

Then Zuckerberg literally testified and said that that didn't happen. Then he goes on Rogan and admits that that absolutely happened. So he admitted to perjury.

Why is he not in jail? Why is he not in jail?

Fuck? Is he not in jail?

Exactly? So rules for the not for me.

I took the words out of my fucking mouth. Brother.

Then you have this individual named cord Meyer, what interesting name, who was a CIA operative believed to be instrumental in managing journalist relationships. So wh's widespread the exposure? It says Church Committee hearings. From seventy five to seventy six, there was US Senate investigations that revealed the scale of CIA involvement in media, though many details were buried or redacted.

No, no, no, we kidding me. This is the time when the quote unquote old heads of the media, right, like, I don't just throw a couple of them out, Bill O'Reilly, right, Hannity and Combs. This is when they were breaking out in the media space. These were the people that they were looking up to at this time. It never went away, y'all. It just came to the next generation. Podcasting is the thing that kind of broke that matrix in a way. But even still, I can't say that one hundred percent.

This is fifty years of progress. Okay, fifty years ago, this shit was going around. Fifty years ago, shit was going on. They didn't just give it up. That's that's a fact.

It's one work life, that is one career's time frame. That's all it is.

So the CIA's response to Operation Mockingbird, it says the agency officially stated that it would no longer recruit or contract full time journalists as spiser agents.

Okay, now our anger, right, Okay, okay, sure, sure, sure.

However, the policy allowed freelancers, stingers, and unofficial cooperation, leaving plenty of gray area. These are your contractors, So are they working for the CIA? No, they're contractors. They're their own corporation, they're their own own organization. Meanwhile, well they're still reporting back to the same people.

See that's the thing. When people hear of government contractors, and I don't know about most, but I know in my mind it initially goes to like military contractors, right, Triple Can, Blackwater, the Wagner Group, right, all these things that are government military contractors. Please understand, everybody, the CIA has their own brand of government contractors that do way dirtier things than some mercenaries. Okay, these are intel mercenaries.

Yeah, and just so everybody, we can paint a clear picture here, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, whatever other fucking apps you use. CIA contractors.

Okay, is it called oculus or ocula? What's the thing? The big server compounds third party through the CIA, but it's actually the filter that every single bit of media on the Internet or not goes through before we see it.

Yeah, in the facilities in Texas actually.

Right, that giant place paid for by the CIA. Yes, third party because it's a private contractor very similar, and we're gonna touch on something ugly here. The irs is a third party government contractor. Y'all.

Also keep in mind that that oculus or if that's what it's called, I can't remember what it's called now, but if Eagle Visions there's something like that, Yeah, it's it's the American filter of all social media. It's not only the filter, it is, uh, the the reason why you see suggestive videos and all that kind of stuff. Everything that you type, everything that you read. It's monitoring link literally like your your eyes and your reaction to everything.

Thing to builds your algorithm, absolutely specific algorithm for your specific phone, your specific YouTube account, your specific TikTok.

And you know who has ties to that Peter til you know who has ties to Peter tel jd Vance, You know who jd Vance has ties to the fucking president. Okay, so do you think that like people, this is where people get caught up and like, my side's not corrupt. Your side is corrupt. Every fucking asset, every facet of government is corrupt in every possible way. Just because your guy is in there right now or your guy was in there the prior term does not mean there's not

We've said it multiple times this episode, and we're probably gonna say it multiple times for the rest of our lives. If you're looking for a good guy, there's none to be found, I'm sorry. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle, doesn't matter what color they represent. It doesn't matter what they said in their pretty little speech to whoever they were trying to speak to. I'm sorry, there's no good guys left to be found in this.

Avenue, miss me with that white hat bullshit.

There's none of it. I'm sorry, there's none.

It just doesn't exist. So anyhow, back to it. So they allowed freelancers and stingers in unofficial cooperation. Okay, then there was a legacy in modern parallel So Operation Mockingbird didn't end. It evolved. Now theorized to influence social media and entertainment, podcasting, and influencer culture see Operation mocking j which we're going to get to. So it evolved. Relationships with tech companies and digital platforms have replaced old school newsrooms.

Okay, Like we said, it didn't go away, y'all just manifested into something new. They just rebranded it. Maybe put a new guy in charge. But it's the same thing performing the same function.

And that was created after nine to eleven.

So it was the Office of Strategic What now.

Office of Strategic Influence.

The OSI. Let's look in this here, matter of feder wanna pull up the Wikipedia. We're gonna read this first little bit here, The Office of Strategic Influence is the first studio album by American progressive rock os. Wait, oh, okay, that's a band. That's an album for band. But they also they did that because of the OSI. Oh look at this, it's all band. Look at that. Wow, that's funny. No, no, no, no, I'm gonna look at the actual Office of Strategic Influence.

Now that's great, simply must. But anyway, carrying on, while you're trying to look for that, there are examples of the modern day influence. See the Bay of Pigs, right, that was absolutely propagandized.

All right, I got it right here. So they named that album off of the actual Office of Strategic Influence. Here's the actual Wikipedia here. The Office of Strategic Influence or OSI, was a department created by the United States DoD on October thirtieth, two thousand and one, so literally a couple of weeks after September eleven. They created this organization to support the War on terrorism through psychological operations in targeted countries, which did not include the United States.

Yeah, beya pigs, beya pigs. Nineteen sixty one, the CIA pressured major outlets not to cover the invasion plans. Then you have the Vietnam War, whilch shape public opinion with distorted reporting on communism spread.

But the reporter on the ground wasn't distorting it. He was reporting on what he saw. Never mind that what he saw was put there in stage for him to see and report on.

Nineteen fifty three Iran and nineteen seventy three Chile planted stories supporting CIA backed cous.

Oh god, you want to look at CIA back cous Man. I could show you a video of how many South American countries have been overthrown and redone in the last fifty years because of the CIA.

Oh yeah, yeah, Mexico. It's a good one.

Mexico's one of them.

Yeah, So why does it still matter?

Okay, okay, kind of a loaded question there, but all right.

So it revealed how easily truth can be engineered, truth and quotations. It shows that freedom of press can be can be manipulated through money, coercion, or ideology. Obviously, and in an age of AI, deep fakes and fact checkers, Mockingbird's methods are more relevant than ever. So the final thought that it says, Operation Mockingbird teaches us that the real battlefield isn't just in politics or war zones, but it's in the mind of the public. Whoever controls the narrative controls reality.

Absolutely absolutely, And this is why I also love history. I understand that history is yes, ali agreed upon, I get that, But as more time goes on, and as we get more and more of the full picture and of the full story. Right, we are then able to take in the entire context of the situation. For instance, up until recently, all these cups in South America, we're gonna be written down in the history books. It's just

Yes, we do well, at least as much as we're able to uncover, being that a lot of the documents were buried or redacted or this is just off the tiny portion of what the public is allowed to know. Think about exactly, like, they're not going to tell you everything. They're just gonna give you a little bit, and a lot of people will see that little bit and build the entire story around it. Well, that's all they did. They only did this, and that was only happening back then.

Let me share this screen real quick, just a show exactly what we're talking about here as far as CIA involving themselves where they shouldn't be, right, and then what did the American media play as far as this shit was concerned. And now we know the entire truth of it, and it's literally what we are talking about right now. Are you ready for this shit? Let's go. Yes.

Every South American country which has had its government overthrown by the CIA since.

Nineteen forty seven.

Costa Rica in nineteen forty eight, Guatemala nineteen fifty four, Al Salvador nineteen seventy nine, Nicaragua nineteen eighty one, Panama nineteen eighty nine, Paraguay nineteen fifty four, Brazil nineteen sixty four, Peru nineteen sixty eight, Chile nineteen seventy three, Uruguay nineteen seventy three, Argentina nineteen seventy six, and Venezuela in two

Okay, so as we're talking about what certain narrative might have been pumped out all over our TV screens by the news, did you hear what's going on in Venezuela in two thousand and two, right after the War on terrorism? Now, why, oh why would the CIA be fucking around in Venezuela when we're trying to get boots on the ground in Afghanistan to hunt allegedly Osama bin Laden aka tim Osman,

It interesting how that ended up working out for Venezuela. You know, there they were. They were a thriving economy, a thriving community. They were expanding in every possible way via government and technology, and I mean literally in every possible way.

They had like the world's fourth largest economy at that time, right, and so we overthrew the crazy dictator that they had because he was talking about running them in to the ground, and we installed and by we, I mean CIA Americans, whatever you want to call it, installed a leader that was more aligned with American ideologies and was about to give us a sweetheart deal in some of that gorgeous

Yeah, that's so you could say in a way that it was in the benefit of the United States government and military and every other way. It was in the benefit of the United States that Venezuela turned socialist.

We were trying to prevent that from happening, and then they forced it to happen quote unquote right quote unquote, because the guy that was in charge in two thousand and one was trying to turn it that way. Two thousand and two, we installed a democratic gut leader and then a socialist kicked him out, and there was beyond repair at that point.

I'm just saying, is it easy to mind minerals and oil from a capitalist society or from a socialist in communist society, where the government owns everything and the people own nothing, whenever, all you have to do is manipulate the governmental leader of that country, and you don't have to manipulate individual corporations or into individual people anymore. So I'm looking at that and I'm like, Okay, so the United States almost finds it beneficial for communism in some countries.

It's a lot, but it's a lot easier. To your point, it's a lot easier to get the resources from a country when they are all starving and will do anything to earn a dollar.

Yeah, yeah, big time. So now let's get over to mocking j nowk We've all seen the Hunger Games, right, So this is where all this stems from. And also I want to remind people that you know, just because you don't hear about a lot of these CIA operations that are going current day, doesn't mean that they're not happening. You know, the people back in the fifties, sixties, seventies had no idea that MK Ultra and Mockingbird was even

Knew what Edward Snowden was talking about the NSA was doing. We didn't know that that was happening as it was happening. And then even after he blew the lid off of it, by the way, everyone that was never retracted by the government. That is still currently happening. They never went back and repealed the Patriot Act.

Remember back in you know, early two thousands, two thousand and seven, thousand and eight, in that era that almost all phones, not every one of them, but almost all phones used to be able to have the detachable, detachable battery, and so if your battle when dead, you'd be able to replace it and put a new one in there, right, And then after a while they stopped doing that. It's hard to find any phone if there is any that you can detach the battery from, well, and that's what

You know how many algorithms have been boosted or shut down to promote certain shows on purpose. Now, again, it's not any of the independent creator's faults that they this random thing went viral, this crazy little clip that really wasn't based in anything. Next thing, you know, it went viral, everybody's talking about it. This person's on everybody's show, he's now insta famous. Sometimes that's organic and natural and fine, okay, cool. Sometimes with that being said, it can also be forced

Yeah, I mean, and it could be something even as silly that you would think in this context, it could be something even as lighthearted as flat earth. Think about that for sure, Absolutely about that. Every conspiracy theorist talks about flat Earth. Everybody talks about nine to eleven, everybody talks about JFK, everybody talks about Trump, and you know what I mean, Like everybody is talking about these things.

I think about that a lot with the flat earthers. And yes, I know the flat earth community is gonna get mad at me for saying this. Fine, Look, you believe what you believe, I'll dioglobetarm Fine, fine, But I also believe that that is a type of sleight of hand. They're keeping the conspiracy heads squabbling amongst ourselves about whether the Earth is flat or fucking round. Meanwhile, they got

And and but that's the thing is that flat Earth is a symbol in a sense, But a symbol holds a lot of meanings. And so whenever you hear flatter, it's like whenever you see the McDonald symbol, you don't only think about a big mac. You might think about some mcnuggies, maybe a mcflurry, right, maybe a little shamrock shake. Right.

It's all in when I see the golden norches personally.

It's all encompassing with that symbol, okay. And that is occult magic in and of itself. So if you think about it all right, you might somebody might look at somebody that believes in flat Earth and be like, oh my god, you believe the fucking Earth is flat? Were

I use that as an example. It's the same thing to say that they have a squabbling over which bathroom people are supposed to be using, rather than focusing on like the pedophile rings that are currently being revealed in the government. No, no, no, we need to talk about the seventy four genders because words hurt and feelings. Matt, It's like wait, wait, stop, shut the fuck up. Epstein's list is still not released yet. That's my point. I ud flat Earth is an example, No.

I know what you're saying.

Certain things are promoted to keep people distracted.

I mean, yeah, stop talking about Epstein. Here's Diddy about that, right, yes, yes, So anyhow, so the alleged goals if we're talking about Project mocking Jay, if we are to believe that it is a real thing, and I think without question it absolutely has to I'm not saying that it has to be going by that name. That's just what theorists have called it. It's just an extension of Mockingbirds. So if you don't like the idea of the evolution of mockingbird,

But stupid I hate TikTok. I hate TikTok itself, but then the dances that go viral, it's like this, this is considered content two people.

And it's and it turns it into an echo chamber. Your algorithm is your echo chamber. And so that's why people literally, I mean, we're aware of that. We know that our algorithm, the things that we like, are the things that we watch, is ultimately going to build the

Them's whole job is to keep your eyes glued to your screen individually. So what's gonna keep your eyes Jonathan glued to your screen is not necessarily what's gonna keep mind glued. But my algorithm is built to do the same thing for me. That's how this whole thing works.

That's how you know what's gotten bad. And we know that we can almost construct our own algorithm.

Oh yeah, oh absolutely you can.

That in a sense is like the Beauty and the Beast. Right, what's that called again?

Oh you're talking about Stockholm syndromes.

We're essentially saying, we know that there is a beast that is controlling our life, but we're gonna fall in love with it anyway, if you really think about it. That's really what's going on. Whenever your thumb and social media all fucking day, you.

Know they're listening, even when we're not listening. We've done so how many experiments we were talking about. Uh, oh, we don't even own a cat. You just randomly for about a week, randomly throughout the day say oh, yeah, we need to go buy some cat food. Next thing, you know, you see so many ads on your YouTube, on your TikTok or whatever about some deal on cat food going on. That's the thing that multiple people have done.

Oh and it listens in on your conversations big time.

Yep.

And that's where it's security. Nobody's secure. Like your thoughts aren't secure. The conversations you have aren't secure. Your interests aren't secure, your disinterests aren't secure. What you've done, what you will do, what you're thinking about doing, what you did yesterday, what you did ten years ago, none of that is secure. We are in the ultimate surveillance state, and we are finding ways to be comfortable within the

Just trying the subjective? Right, It's what is your truth? Not what is the truth? Like? What is the understood guaranteed one plus one equals two truth? What is the truth to you?

And we're not talking about anything spiritual this is we're not talking about that at all. We're talking about the truth of government of the.

Four genders versus two genders. That's a stupid example, but yet, but it's it's an example exactly exactly.

So, redefining truth the operation may not only suppress info but create alternate realities narratives that guide public belief while discrediting independent thought.

Oh god, and you couple that with AI. Oh dude, don't even get me started on this shit.

Just like Tommy Lee, Jones and Men in Black right on. The individual is stupid. Actually, uh, George Carlin, I saw this. He was on back whenever he was alive. He was on like David Letterman or something like that. He goes, if I could annihilate every single group, if I could just drop a fucking nuke on top of all of them, I would. The individual I love, I love each individual, But you start gathering in twos and threes and groups of tens and twenties, I fucking hate them, right, Like,

It's just like you said from me in black. The person is smart. The person individual is smart. People are panicky. It's the mob. They can be easily controlled and cattle herded.

Yes, So they want to redefine truth by creating alternate realities and narratives that guide public belief while discrediting independent thought. What a what a fucking genius idea evil genius but genius, No.

Evil genius but genius none the less one hundred percent.

So then how are they doing it? Like as far as their tactics and techniques, So you have bought armies and sock puppets sounds interesting. We all know that. Like whenever Elon bought Twitter, what was it like like sixty percent of all Twitter was bots or some crazy number like that, affecting the algorithm ultimately, right, because you're going to be arguing in the comments section of a somebody's Twitter post and meanwhile you it's it's literally a bot of division.

It's a box to get you to hate an AI bot. That's what you're doing.

Good luck. Yeah, and it's not gonna work.

You can't why they tell people. Anybody in the content space will tell you, dude, don't read the comments. Don't read the people sipping hater aid. Hell, half of the main even people I don't.

I don't read any of them, So I don't get caught up in any of that bullshit. I used to and it started to depress me, and it started to make me literally like question my own sanity and my own reality. And you don't want to do that. Like whatever, you're whatever, you whatever you do that you're enjoying that you find like value out of life, don't let anybody denigrate that like that. There's always going to be people

I did my digging on him, and like, I feel bad for the guy now now that I know about who he is and like his life and shit, it's like, oh, this is like all he has is just spewing hateful rhetoric because like he's got nothing else going for him. Dude, he's like a wanna be photographer. One of his Instagram pages is a bunch of wanna be edgy pictures of him wearing a Michael Myers mask taking selfies in it. And I'm talking like over a hundred pictures of this.

Just he actually he actually reached out and apologized on Instagram. I can't remember if I told the time No, that was just like a month ago.

He's back on the hater train.

Then oh yeah, yeah, but he he actually told us, so, anybody that is watching, you'll know that we have a very, very prolific hater. I'm not gonna say his name. I'm not gonna do that, but you'll always see it's usually the top review. Usually he wants to be front and center, Okay, And he actually reached out and he said, look, I actually do like you guys, but whenever you fuel me and you start talking about me, that only gives me the extra fucking rocket blaster boost that I need to

But he's one of the most people there's ever been. And like it's like, you know, if I had literally nothing else going on in my life, I would be pissed off at the world too, and I would just like start throwing shit at anybody I could.

And it's like, all right, bro, do you hey, buddy, just keep talking about Jacob. I'm sticking up for you over here.

No, I'm not even shitting on him like it. And I'm not even saying like, oh he's a pitch like no, no, no, I like whenever I found out more about him, it's like, oh, oh, okay, I get it.

So it's this is like, you know, I mean, none of us are perfect. We all have our downfalls, and this just happens to be his, right. So that being said, So there are tactics and in techniques that include bought armies and what they call sock puppets. So there are fake accounts that flood the comments section. They amplify narratives,

Oh yeah.

Then there's this thing called astroturfing. Have you ever heard of this?

I have go ahead.

So astro turfing makes fake movements look real, creating the illusion of mass support or opposition. Who remembers whenever Joe Biden was campaigning against Donald Trump in twenty twenty, you would see tens of thousands of people at these for Trump and you're like, there's no fucking way the Trump is going to lose, right, and it's all the spectacle. Then you see Joe Biden. He's hosting little fucking kids tea parties and somehow he is the highest voted for

Oh bro, foreign news outlets were talking about after the election had happened, It's like, now, how did Trump win all of this in the last minute when Joe Biden looked like he stood such a chance, And it's like, who said that he stood a chance? Why would you believe that? And it's like, well, because the media that they were getting was showing that this was such a close race until the very end, and Trump fucking ran

I actually believe that Trump cheated, But I think that everybody cheats, Like I think that every single president who has ever been president has absolutely had to cheat because the game's tilted.

You know, Achie once he got shot in the face and had that whole iconic picture of him throwing the fight with the flag behind him, and I think it's like, yeah, he won this one.

I think he just had to cheat less, Okay, can you see what I'm saying? Like, I think that there's absolutely you can't win a game that is rigged, like and we know this, Like that's that's an absolute fact. So anyway, that's astrotype astro turfing. Then you have deep fake influence. We've all been caught off guard by the deep fakes, right. AI is getting better by the fucking second. So emerging tools like AI generated faces and voices could

Driven these days. Sure, done with that.

So you have your suspected modern day signs. So what to look for. So you have coordinated influencer messaging. Messaging rather it says when dozens of creators suddenly pushed the same talking point within hours without transparency, that is a mocking jay red flag on. Yeah. Then you have the rapid narrative swings, so huge shifts in public focus. So, for example, sudden moral outrage over new topics suggest managed attention.

Bro. All of it's a part of Project mocking Jay, dude, all of.

And then of course you have your boys like David Hogg with the crisis actor theories. It's not even theories like you can find that. There are literally organizations that have that that teach crisis actors. David Hogg's one of them. So while it may be controversial, uh, many Mocking Jay believers think that viral videos of quote unquote victims or witnesses in political events are staged or manipulated for sympathy or opinion control.

Yeah, I could see it one hundred percent, no doubt with that one. You have to wrap this one up though, brother, our guy to get the kid from school.

Heard that we got one more thing, all right, So it says so who's involved? The CIA, the NSA, the DHS fusion cells. They're believed to be back to operating our back end, operating layers of the of the syops, possibly through partnerships with social media companies. Then you have private SYOPS firms such as Pallenteer, Cambridge Analytica, and various pr agencies that may act as fronts to do what governments officially can't. We kind of mentioned the uh the

You kind of took my outro on that one, but I'm good with it because I really do gotta go.

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