#804- The Flatwoods Extra-Terrestrial | Monster, Alien Or Myth?

Oh, Fred of thes are, hello, and welcome to the show.

This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob, and today we are getting a little cryptic, sir, is that's what's we're getting. We're getting a little monster.

Well, in some regards, you might call it a monster or a cryptid. Some would call it, understandably, an alien or an extraterrestrial or an et or whatever.

These things you want to find, put it to whatever, aren't they all that? Possibly? Possibly?

So, so all the good cult members that listen to our interdimensional conversation that we had the other day understand that this was what I was actually trying to find and look into when I discovered the Book of flat Land, which led to the two D versus three D versus four D conversation. Right, I was doing research onto a alien sighting or monster siting whatever in West by God, Virginia in the fifties, and somehow we ended up into all of the other common which was fun.

I really enjoyed that talk for sure.

But yes, so this episode we are going to be diving into the flatlands, monster, flatlands, alien, whatever you want to call it. And here's the deal. Everyone understands that this is a true story. There is nobody who's questioning its validity. There are some that's kep, you know, questioning if the people saw what they think they saw, but nobody denies that this group of people saw something in the woods on this night in the fifties.

Are you ready to get into it? I am ready, sir, So yeah, do we know what part of West Virginia this is coming out of?

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This little, this little quick tutorial here.

So History Channel actually did this series, the Project blue Book, and we'll talk about what that is here in a moment for anybody who might be a newer listener or newer to the conspiracy game and they don't really know all of the Project dot dot dots like, Okay, I got you, So we're gonna cover a good bit of it.

Right.

So this is the Flatwoods Monster's just a little quick two minute video, but it does a decent job of breaking down the uh, the overarching story here.

Let's uh, let's learn a little bit.

The Flatwoods Monster case. This occurred on September twelfth, nineteen fifty two. This whole thing happened at dusk and there were a number of young people going off into the woods and saw some kind of fiery, glowing object that descended or came down to the boys. Ed and Freddie grabbed their mother, whose name was Kathleen May, and she came back with the group to see this thing what they describe as a creature, very tall. It's got eyes that are glowing red and it scares them.

Project blue Book still in the early years, and it was reported to the Air Force because there was something in the sky.

Investigators who went there after the sighting stated that there was an unusual smell or odor in that area, and it was said that the trees in the area were singed at the top. There were investigators who said that branches actually were broken. Now that's very interesting. The branches were broken by something that evidently came down. This is one of the instances in which Project Blue Book was genuinely actively doing serious investigations at that time.

I do we call seeing the May family sketches. They weren't extremely detailed, but they were similar. The family members all do the same thing, which was interesting.

The official explanation was that it was a combination of a bright media and delusion psychological case.

Most puzzling case. My father thought about that a lot, and I really couldn't conclude anything one way or the

So we've heard that old adage of oh, as a meteor that passed through some swamp gas, right, and I gave the illusion that you saw something you didn't see. Project Blue Book is where that story got traction and why that thing got set so many times. It was moonlight refracting off of Venus through some swamp gas, either swamp gas in West Virginia.

I mean, okay, fine, sure, let's let's go down that little rabbit hole.

Right.

It's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

Now we're gonna read a couple of different articles and a couple of different stories about what the quote unquote officials, and I use that term very liberally say the people may have seen the going narrative. The main theory is that it.

Was an owl. Now, I'm gonna those always supersede something though, Like you always hear about the owls coming before. It's almost like the owls are the siren for something to come fair.

But the the monster itself was supposed to be somewhere around eight foot tall. They are saying that an owl with its wings up like this created a shadow and that's what did this Moloch. After they just watched something fall from the sky crash land in the woods. You can smell burnt metal everywhere, and we got an owl and these people just completely mistook that for an eight foot tall alien.

Are we talking about Moloch over here? Dude? I you know what you can tell me when we get there.

You saw some of the images earlier, right, some of the drawings that the family made, and we're gonna show a lot more of them. And to this day, the flat flat lands West Virginia, like the town is made after this monster. They have paintings of it everywhere and shit like the people really leaned into it, which you know what they should. But anyway, anyway, before we get into all of that, so Project blue Book, what exactly is this? Because they did in fact launch a real

All right. Project blue Book was the code name for the Systematic Study of Unidentified Flying Objects by the United States Air Force from March nineteen fifty two to its termination allegedly on December seventeenth, nineteen sixty nine. The project, headquartered at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, was initially

Now, it's also interesting they said that the UFOs that were reported, investigated and evaluated, So that would signify that there were, in fact UFOs that were reported, investigated and evaluated, not just stories and tall tales.

Yes, sir number two, there was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as unidentified represented technological developments or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge.

Okay, they also used quote unquote unidentified, So could that also mean that they knew what these things were? Because perhaps the powers that be have known about extraterrestrials and alien life for years and years and years. So to the public it might be unidentified, but to them they know them as the gorgons or so, you know what I mean, Yeah, they could the quotes like that, it's kind of a potentially misleading.

Yeah, whatever they were seeing was either already understood or there was nothing they could do with the information that they had to be able to apply it to whatever they needed to apply it to. It could be I think that it's probably one of the other of those. But and number go ahead, it could be both, could be both. Yeah, number three, there was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as unidentified were extraterrestrial vehicles. Again, those quotes on unidentified.

So while your average layperson might just be plowing their fields or just sitting on their back porch one night and they would see a craft that they've never seen before, when the government agents get there, no, they have seen that kind of craft before. So it's not unidentified to the official story, it's unidentified to the random person.

You see what I mean here? Now to your point.

Project and also, real quick, before we even check out Project sign, I don't want to detract from the monster or anything, but they shut down the project in sixty nine. Hey, real quick, does anybody remember some big thing that happened in nineteen sixty nine, as far as space is concerned, that would potentially be how they would wrap up everything with a pretty little bow to say that boom, we did it. There's no need to explore any further.

We accomplished it was it. Are you talking about the fake moon landing? Sir? I am indeed right, yeah, so crazy.

They shut down the UFO Investigation Bureau basically the same year that we put a man on the moon allegedly. So is that also their way that they were trying to tie up all these quote unquote loosens because they had a lot of UFO sitans from nineteen forty eight with Roswell to sixty nine. They just were like, ah, and we're done now, there's no more UFOs.

Pop bop bop.

And then Trump comes into office and is like, by the way, yeah they've been here.

Something to it, dude. There absolutely has to be And that's why, dude, this is the thing with aliens, extraterrestrials, orbs, UFOs, you name it, anything that is otherworldly seemingly it always seems to be something that is either laughed at or swept under the rug, or people don't believe, or people do believe, they do believe, but they assigned the meaning

Now Project sign is apparently the very first iteration.

Of something close to this. So let's read about it a little bit, all right. Projects Sign or Project Saucer, was an official US government study of unidentified flying objects undertaken by the United States Air Force and active for most of nineteen forty eight. It was the precursor to Project Grudge So. The project was established in nineteen forty eight by Air Force General Nathan Twining ahead of the Air Technical Service Command, and was initially named Project Saucer.

Yeah, I want to talk about some Project Grudge real quick. But before I do, let's also talk about this nineteen forty eight, the US Air Force has this whole Air Technical Service Command that's looking into this topic. You know, in World War Two, we didn't have an Air Force, right.

It was the Army Air Corps.

Okay, okay, So in the same way that the Marines are seen as a department of the Navy, the Air Force was seen as a department of the Army. Right, Yeah, I think the marine weren't the Marines created like the year before?

It was like seventeen seventy five or something like that. Am I plucking that up? Oh wow? All right? So yeah, November ten, seventeen seventy five.

And then uh, Navy's birthday is October eleventh, seventeen seventy five.

But all of.

That together here. But my point is if the Air Force, I've heard a theory and I don't know if there's any real weight behind this. And I'm not even saying I fully believe this, because yes, having enough air assets to warrant their own military branch. Okay, I get it, fine, But I have heard a theory that the entire reason the Air Force was created was for this purpose, to

And this was around the time that NASA was created, too, which we are going to be doing a story on the origins of NASA very soon, and that is going to be something wild. I know that a lot of people saying, well, NASA technically started out, you know, observing the ocean or observing the ocean floor and trying to

Okay, Okay, So, so we got Project Saucer right slash project what was the name of that thing, Project Saucer Slash signed right. Then one year later, nineteen forty nine, we got Project Grudge, and I had honestly never heard of this one.

Let's let's learn a little bit, okay. So Project Grudge was a short lived project by the US Air Force to Investigate Unidentified Flying Objects. GRUDGE succeeded Project Sign in nineteen in February nineteen forty nine, and then and then followed by Project Blue Book. The project formally ended in December of nineteen forty nine, but continued in a minimal capacity until late nineteen ninety nine. Wow, that's pretty fucking recent.

Yes, that is, and that's not They didn't just like disband it like they did Project Sign, right, they kept it going under wraps.

Could this be possibly closer to Men in Black bro?

This is?

And that's that's the thing. It's that I think that a lot of these projects never truly ended. But a lot of people within the government and the military, they know that things are compartmentalized that they're never going to hear about, right, So all you would need to keep one of these projects going is a couple of people,

I'm a consultant for one of the big agencies, which one, it's one of the ones you probably never heard of, you know, the Department of blah blah blah blah. Make up some fancy title. Yeah, it's a lot of office work, and that's pretty much all I do. In reality, there are real life men in black. Could very well be bro could be could be so.

Project Grudge was intended to alleviate public anxiety over UFOs and persuade the public that UFOs constituted nothing unusual or extraordinary. UFO sightings were explained as conventional aircraft, balloons, stars, planets, meteors, optical illusions, solar reflections, or even large hailstones. Imagine convincing somebody that it was just a large hailstone you saw, I mean.

I understand the like hail the size of softballs happens, and sometimes even bigger than that.

They're free falling, They're not hovering in the fucking air, Like what are we talking about here?

The people of nineteen forty eight were just like, oh, it's okay, the government man told me, so.

It's got to be true. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, like bro, what oh man? And that's well, I mean, unfortunately, a lot of people believe whatever a government official is going to tell them. Well, you know, because and I think that it's a lot of it. It really is psychological, because you got to think about it. Whenever somebody seeing these things in the forties and the fifties and the sixties whatever you know, there, they don't want to see it.

So as far as the war hysteria, okay, Now, let's put ourselves into the shoes of your average American Joe blow circa nineteen forty nine. Okay, America had just been attacked only a few years back with Pearl Harbor. Okay, and that was we had never been attacked like that, well, not since the War of eighteen twelve. Okay, So us getting attacked by our foreign nation was seen as impossible.

Who's got the balls to try? And all these things?

Right, And we had kind of we weren't isolationists by any means, but we certainly were not wanting to get involved in foreign affairs unless we absolutely had to. Now, well, the people the government, of course they had their fingers in every pie, but I'm talking about your average citizen, right, So now we got these unexplainable things that we're seeing

As that shit ended.

As testy times, extremely testy times. Everybody had just got home from the war. Everybody's trying to take a sigh of relief, and we got this shit flying in the air that nobody can explain, and the government man is just saying, like, listen, it's no big deal.

It's no big deal. Well, and especially the military people that just came back from seeing that. You know. For example, there's this show that I love, I'd always talk about, but it's called Alone. It's on Netflix. It's like Naked and Afraid or Survivor, but way better. And there was this military guy, I think he's from Australia or some shit, and he's so he's out there and he's playing in this game and basically it's a survival kind of show.

So just to give a little bit of the backstory here, it's a Project Blue Book, what it is, how it started all these things before we go to the next one, Let's read this next paragraph here, because I didn't realize they had gotten that many reports.

By the time time Project Bluebook ended, it had collected twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen UFO reports and concluded that most of them were misidentifications of natural phenomena clouds and stars, et cetera. Yeah, of course, or conventional aircraft.

So now we've talked about that too, especially out in the desert where they're testing new types of aircraft, right, the flying Dorito for instance, aka the bomber. So for a person who's never seen a jet before, because all of the planes of World War Two were all prop planes, right, they had big fans on the front that made them go.

Now we're worried.

We're working with jet propulsion into an average person that's lived in New Mexico their whole life and has never seen an air show before, or they've seen pictures or in the movies, they've seen a plane. They've some of them have never even been on a plane before in their life. Now, all of a sudden, we got this thing screaming across the.

Sky like yo, you yeah, yeah, when some other worldly shit when you're used to like Amelia Earhart style airplanes, you know what I'm saying, And then you see this fucking u two up in the air.

I get it. I get this.

And so some of those reports could be attributed to that which the government officials couldn't tell them what that was because that was still top secret and classified and it wasn't a mass produced jet thing that we had.

It was still in the testing phases.

So like, okay, and I can even give credence to some of the the majority of them, even depending on where they're at. Right the people in West Virginia didn't have some sort of a new air craft that was being tested in West Virginia. They don't test those there, you see what I'm saying. Depending on the location of the report and what the report was, some of them can be attributed to something that the people may not have understood, some new tech they didn't know about.

Fine, okay, Although West Virginia would be a good place to, you know, have these kinds of operations because it's not densely populated like Wes it had, what's that it's the mountains that I'm saying that though yeah, Okay, Well, I don't know. I've I mean, you have your mountain people, you know what I mean, it's like Mountain Mama out there with the country roads. But I don't, I don't. I don't have an explanation for West Virginia. That's that just blows my mind.

But seven hundred reports, seven hundred and one reports are classified as unexplained, which I think is pretty interesting. One of those unexplained reports would be the flat Woods Monster. I got a quick little cli clip that we're gonna play real quick, and it just kind of talks briefly about it, kind of the overview let's learn.

Oh, there's no words there there. I read it the Flatwoods Monster Alien encounter in West Virginia. In nineteen fifty two, a strange, tall creature with a glowing face was reported in Flatwoods, West Virginia. The flat The article titled the flat Woods Monster, also known as the Braxton County Monster, is often described as an alien entity cited after a bright object crossed the sky. Do you believe?

Okay, So now let's read some of these articles, right.

This one is.

All that's interesting dot com The Flatwoods Monster. Now, also, I brought up a couple of articles, and yes, some of them may sound a bit repetitive.

I get that.

But with that, understand that there are small differences to the story or small differences to what the official narrative is at the time. And I did that on purpose, or I brought them all in on purpose, because you'll see this officiating body says this, This officiating body says this. Meanwhile, the stories from the inhabitants themselves, the eyewitnesses, never changes.

It's interesting.

And also, I have never heard of another alien story with anything to look close to this. Tall grays are one thing. The red eyes, the glowing face that, yeah, we hear that a good bit. They all specifically have him looking like this, with like looking like an Ace of Spades style hood on top of his head. I have never seen another report of an alien entity that looks like this.

Have you. It kind of looks like that that dinosaur whenever it like whenever it's screams, goes and the fucking pop out. Yeah yeah, and they have a lizard like that too now but not now. It's been around, but fucking creepy looking things. But it almost looks like that. But anyway, it says after seven Braxton County. After seven Braxton County, West Virginia residents, Okay, after seven of them,

Can well imagine you call your local cops out there, your local officials, and tell them we saw this thing crash, something broke off the tops of the trees and things are burned.

We saw this giant entity.

And then they come back, they go in the woods to their flashlights, They come back and laugh at you and tell you to go back to sleep.

Bro This this is like, you know, it's disrespectful for sure. But I do want to bring up that time that I had knocking at my trailer door whenever I was living in Louisiana, and then we had what I called the cops because I thought it was a crackhead or a method or some kind of shit. You're living in a fucking trailer park in Louisiana. That's usually the person

Ten foot tall, dude, I said eight earlier, I misspoke that thing standing ten foot tall with glowing eyes, and you just watched this crash from the sky. Yeah, I would be fucking terrified.

Dude. I thought about this, you know, because we had been talking a little bit about string theory and different dimensions and shit like that, and I obviously have dabbled into psychedelics and shit like that. And there's some things that you'll see in psychedelics, whether it's like when your eyes are closed or whatever, that it's almost too intricate to even look at. Too. It's like so much to where it literally feels like it's breaking your mind because

It's very possible, right, we don't know because nothing has been quote unquote confirmed now, and I'm not even saying that all extraterrestrial sightings are interdimensional beings, but I'm also not saying that none of them are, right. I mean, it's very possible, and who knows, maybe these entities are traveling light years right from planets a planet or galaxy to galaxy. We're talking about a gap of time that is hard for the human mind to wrap itself around.

Look, who knows? Who knows? Uh, yeah, yeah, it's a strange shit. And I'm so excited that we're like every day we're getting more and more and more into the future and more able to try and at least comprehend what it is what we're looking at, and like it's

Oh my god, this is the site of the alleged Flatwood Monster sighting nineteen fifty two. So here they are there, you know, walking down this little trail here, and they saw a ten foot glowing eyed monster standing there looking at him.

This is almost borderline a little Scott Pacy right, because he talks about seeing eyes. Yes, but also this was by multiple witnesses.

It's not just one guy, it's all of them saying the exact same thing. They all came back and drew the exact same image.

Okay, well Lemon later he was the National Guardsman. Lemon later described the creature as a ten foot monster with a blood red body and a green face that seemed to glow reptilian much let's go baby. Its head was shaped like a spade, and it had clawed hands, and it seemed to be wearing a dark metal dress. WHOA could this possibly be a robot or something? I don't know. The group immediately turned and fled. A local high schooler later recalled what he had heard about the incident. In quotes.

Basically, the smell that this thing was giving off turn people's stomachs. There was a couple of examples of people fainting. A couple of people started puking and shitting all over themselves, like being around this thing. Either A it terrified them so bad that their body just shut down, or B the smell that it was putting off was actually making them sick.

I don't know. I mean the vibration alone. If it is an extra dimensional entity, if we're talking about it, could be that it was just too much for regular physical, third dimensional beings. I mean anything. We don't know. I mean it's hard to even think about what is being observed in other dimensions and then how are they transforming and what are they giving off whenever they come here. You know, we don't know. All we can do is just base it off of stories like this. But it's

It's never around a big city center somewhere. It's always way off the beaten path where they think no one's gonna see them.

Yeah, buddy, it says. Then. On September thirteenth, a young couple was driving on a rural route twenty miles south of Can we just change the term rural that? I hate that word. It's like it's hard to say, and it sounds weird.

Yeah, I know, we I mean you could just say a country route right there, we go, thing, But yeah, rural slash, rural slash. Yeah, people have weird times saying that one. It's like Worcestershire sauce. People say that's so weird.

Oh worces your sister in a shower sauce. Oh my god.

And you know what, here's how you can tell you're saying that word right, not to detract. Go to your phone, hit the microphone button and say that sauce, however you think you're gonna say it, And see what your phone types out. If you type in war Chester and it comes out war and then Chester is two separate words.

Guess what that's not? How it's pronounced Worcestershire Worcester. Sure, That's how I always said it. Worcester, Sure, Worcester. Sure, people know what you mean.

Though, I've done it my way Worcestershire and it always comes up right.

Okay, hey, whatever whatever works for you. But uh but anyhow, Uh so they were driving down. A young couple was driving down a rural route twenty miles south of the flat Woods when their car broke down. George and Edith Snidowski. Snidowski were with their eighteen month old son, and we're desperate to get their vehicle back on the road. As darkness fell, suddenly they smelled sulfur and a bright light

Wow, so just by touching he was able to fix the electronics.

Huh. It's kind of reminiscent of the Betty and Barney Hill story. Yeah, very reminiscent. I also wonder if this was an interracial couple.

I mean, who's to say in West By God Virginia. That would definitely have not gone over so well in this day and age. But possibly possibly this is Kathleen May. This is the mom that the two boys ran home and grabbed. This is her drawing of what she saw that day.

Oh my god.

Metal dress, clawed hands, ten foot tall spade. As far as like some sort of a hood or cowl or whatever you want to call that face with no real defining features except glowing red eyes.

Yeah, dude, So you know how you always see, like behind a lot of religious figures, like the sun is always behind their head. I wonder if what was going on behind this entity's head was like a flame, because it almost looks like a flame going up right.

It kind of does, But they don't say that it was glowing. They say the eyes are glowing. I don't know if it was like a giant flame or maybe that's like supposed to be what that looks like is a flame but not actually a flame. Maybe that's what it was like based on as far as the design goes, I don't know. I don't know alien you know, fashion choices, but I who knows.

However, these incidents didn't get nearly as much attention as the sightings by Missus May and the six boys. Their story quickly spread in the flat Woods Monster was soon making headlines across the country, and so there was an official investigation. Though local police almost immediately dismissed the story of the flat Woods Monster as hysteria, others weren't so sure. One newspaper publisher who spoke with Missus May and the boys immediately after the incident said, in quotes, these people

These people were scared shitless and they all came up with the exact same story that fast on a random September day. Keep in mind, those boys are playing at the school. It was the middle of the day.

Yeah, you're not gonna This is why the whole idea of like a shared hallucination. I don't believe in shared hallucinations unless you're on like a psychedelic. But if you're, if you're like.

You know, you're on the middle of nation even with psych adelics, do you realize how hard that is to achieve I'm not saying it's impossible.

How rare. It is super rare, like it happens, but it's so and you almost gotta like try and make it happen. There's like techniques for it and shit like that. But this, I mean, dude, missus May and the boys like and they're all describing the same exactly. There's something going on here, dude, Like whenever you got everybody talking about a very similar thing and then the other couple, you know, their car breaks down and I don't know.

I mean, we got the one nineteen year old National guardsman, and I mean just because he was in the National Guard doesn't make him like a source of like he knows what he's talking about. He was a nineteen year old from West Virginia who joined the National Guard. Like he was as much of a regular guy as you could think. These school children and their mom and this National Guard guy all saw the exact same thing. Broad daylight,

Right.

It wasn't like they got woken up at two am and they were creeping out in the woods of flashlights in the middle of the night.

Okay, it was.

Broad daylight, and they all came back with the exact same story, exact same smell, all these things. Yeah, they don't make that up that quickly, especially not in the big city of flat Woods in Braxton County. They're not trying to get famous from this shit. They're trying to understand what these are, what they want answers.

Yeah, and I think that, you know, and I know that the National Security or the National guardsman was only nineteen. He's barely stepped his you know, his feet into the military world. But I think that people like to bring that up because they believe that maybe somebody in the military is less likely to fib about that kind of stuff.

But yeah, So then they went on and they were invited to New York to speak about their experiences on CBS, and the news of the monster soon spread so far that even the US Air Force got involved. Their conclusion however, was similar to the local police is look at this one.

I can't read these words. Yeah, I'll read it. So let me get the screen a little closer. Here it says, the monster which proud the hills of Braxton County on Friday, September twelfth, was drawn by a New York artist from descriptions given by missus Kathleen May and Gene Lemon, Flatwood's residents, who said that they saw the quote unquote thing. The two witnesses with a Lee Stuart Junior Sutton. My god,

But look, this is an image of a regular sized guy. This is the National Guardsman. This is the mom so an average dude, call that five ten maybe, And this was the size of the thing they saw.

Oh my god, this is almost like a you know, it kind of looks like a Mars attacks kind of things. I think this might be the inspiration for that oh shit.

So and I want you to keep this image specifically in your mind because when we start getting into what the official narrative, and some of the possible solutions are they are downright insulting, honestly.

I mean, as you would probably expect that, especially for this time, Yeah, in nineteen forty eight. Yeah, no doubt.

But I mean, like even still, bro, you couldn't come up with anything more than an owl.

We'll get to it. We'll get to it. Andy. Yeah, they're probably looking at the police, are probably looking at the people. Y'all been smoking some of that wacky tobaki, haven't you right? Something bullshit like that. He's bumpkins in West Virginia.

They don't know what they've seen except all of them saw this exact figure.

But like, yeah, okay, So the Air Force determined that the streak of the streak the boys had seen in the sky was a meteor, which had also been spotted three hundred miles away in Baltimore at the very same time. As for the clawed monster with glowing eyes, it was simply an owl, investigator say, The mystery of the flat Woods Monster indoors to this day. The Roadside America reports that the tiny West Virginia town had embraced the legend, and there's even a museum dedicated to the cryptid that

And for those that may not understand exactly what I mean by an owl, we're going to talk more about it.

Here.

They got some images that are going to make it make a little more sense, you know. Just let's dive in here.

This is actually from historic mysteries, and this is where we have another one talking about this exact same instance. And I want everybody to pay attention to which sections of the story change depending on the narrator.

Okay says something is lurking deep in the deep forest in Flatwoods in West Virginia's Braxton County. Although only cited a few times, the occurrence was so terrifying to witnesses that it will never be forgotten. Also known as the Braxton County Monster, the Flatwood's Monster is an entity that was sighted on September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, in the

So this is a cartoon rendition of it. But again the image is pretty much etched in stone. We have another thing where we show about the museum of the monster. It's pretty wild, dude, it's yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, so the eyes of the creature glowed orange. Oh I thought it was red.

I'm just saying there's these weird little differences that depending on who you ask, it changes, But there's some parts that are just like set in stone.

Yeah, yeah, And it seemed to them as if the creature was just floating above the ground. Seeing the creature glide and hiss, all of them fled the area out of terror. So this is this is where it starts to get into like all right, uh, who like what local newspaper are in the pockets of the people that are enforcing the MK ultra, you know what I'm saying.

But even to that point, look the hold the orange eyes? Does that look like orange eyes? The picture literally above those.

Words the mouth area looks orange.

I mean yeah, but there's all of the glowing red eyes though. You see what I mean, it's like they and we're nitpicking on this one. Fine it hissing at them. That's a new feature, right, And you're gonna see there's other sightings down here that are brought up and you know, why weren't those brought up on the other article? Why are they brought up on this article? And that's kind of a point here, bro. I'm not denying that the

What was the language that Harry Potter understood, like speaking to the snakes parcel tongue? Yes, yes, And I don't know. I mean, do you think that that could be something that's possibly real, like people who are actually speaking to snakes or possibly because you know that like they found a way to communicate with dolphins, right, Like they know, like they're starting to really comprehend it, and they like they hook it up to AI to try and see

And as thing, dolphin berths used to be a thing, and then they outlawed them. Apparently the dolphins would be able to sonar speak to the child and tell it to come out and shit.

Yeah, and the baby wouldn't come out crying, you know, it would come out like super welcomed to the world, and not under like a bright fluorescent light with a bunch of different hands on it like in a doctor's office. Yeah, dude, Yeah, they don't want us know in a lot about this shit. So anyway, so it started to hiss. The incident was

Of them experienced these things. And again, that's kind of a key detail. Why wasn't that mentioned on the previous article, because that's something that you're gonna hear on a couple of these things. I pulled up here and it was they said a burnt metallic smell. Some will say a sulfur smell. You know, sulfur does not smell like burnt metal. Nose smell is completely different than rotten eggs.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's let's just try and imagine here, you're out in the woods and your gallivant and you're seeing all these different plants, all the different trees. I'm sure the air is a little bit different in there, and it's in it's in West Virginia, so maybe it's a little bit humid, right, I mean, it's not as much humidity in West Virginia and Pennsylvania as much as it is in the south, obviously in Louisiana, but it's still up in the seventies as far as percentage of

I don't think there is a good explanation. There's no official narrative explanation that makes sense.

Maybe they ate some berries they shouldn't have eaten.

Possibly, do you feel like you would have heard that like, oh, along the trail, we stopped and picked some blackberries from this, and we kept on looking for this thing like none of that is said, right, and it's possible that maybe that is a thing that happened and nobody ever reported it. I just don't see it, man, I don't see it. I know personally from doing the night fighting and shit,

It can absolutely make you nausees. I have no idea what the fuel.

Source is for an alien craft, but if he just crashed and we have all of this burning fuel of some type, maybe that's what the smell was.

Maybe what in the monster himself, I don't know. Well, and think about it like like Superman. I mean, I know it's a fictitious story, but like Superman, kl el came from you know, planet Krypton or whatever the fuck, and he wasn't special there, like he was just another guy.

Absolutely, I mean hell, Like what's normal you ever like walk into like growing up, you ever walk into one of your homeboys' houses and like they their house has a smell to it, Yeah, and it's kind of their smell. Yeah, you know what like you've you've been around this kid for years and years, and like he has a smell about I'm not I'm not saying he stinks, right, it could be like it could be the detergent that his mom uses or something.

Their home smell whatever it is, right.

And then you walk into that home and you get hit with that smell and it's like, oh, oh right, you live here, you smell like this place. This makes sense to me. What does that seem like from an alien perspective?

Great point, yeah, no idea? Okay, So. Miss Ada Harper, a resident of the flat Woods, also reported seeing a similar creature not long before the fish Or farm. In an incident, according to Harper, while she was walking through the forest or walking through the woods near the town of Heaters, she saw the monster. Harper, along with her friends, was going to a nearby store. Instead of taking the long route, they chose to take a shortcut through the forest.

Okay, what's this here? Oh, that's the Project Blue Book anyway.

After the incident, on September twelfth, another mysterious sighting was recorded in the flat Woods. According to that story, Edith and George Snizkowski, along with their eighteen month old son, were passing through the rural area between Braxton and Clay County. All of a sudden, their car stopped mister Sniskowski. Snitzkowski tried to start the car, but all of his efforts went in vain as it was as it was night,

Could it also be that the spade shaped hood was its version of.

A space suit. Oh okay, yeah.

Off, because he was like, oh okay, I could breathe this air, It's okay, So he took it off when he appeared before these people.

Could be? Could be? It says the explanations and theories. The incident on September twelfth was investigated. However, no evidence of a crash or any monster was found. In two thousand, after the investigation of the case, Joe Nickel from a Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, came to the conclusion that the bright light scene on September twelfth was likely to be a meteor. The pulsating red light seen by the group could have been a hazard beacon or aircraft navigate light.

Was saw from three different states because they said it was seen in Baltimore, Maryland. Now we're hearing Pennsylvania and of course West Virginia. That's where this whole thing has taking place. But yeah, okay, it could have been a meteor that happened that night. Sure, did the meteor produce a ten foot tall reptilian spade headed beast?

No?

I don't think that's how meteors get down. But that being said, this is the image. And before I scroll down when I said an owl earlier, you see.

The pictures that are being drawn here. Look at this.

Look at this with your eyeballs right now, and you see this, dude, right here, you see this. The only thing owl like would be like the eyes.

Okay, this is what maybe the clause? No, no, fuck no, close, dude, And you're talking about something that's ten foot tall.

Ten fucking foot tall, Jonathan, An owl is what a foot I'll give you possibly two and a half. Maybe they got some big ass owls. Fine, bro, And they're like, oh, what was a shadow?

No at not.

It was seven fifteen when it crashed. By the time they got out, there was dark.

What shadow? Bro? And like I said, owls. Usually it let's just say that there was an owl in the area. Pretty likely it's in the woods, right, They're usually like, uh, there's usually like an omen something like, there's always some kind of ominous meaning as to like certain certain owl sightings. Maybe you hear a hoot, maybe you see an owl, maybe you see the owl's eyes or whatever. But they're

This clearly is the spade shape. You see how his wings are doing. It's like, no, dude, like that.

And also I want to say this story too. So it was like seven eight years ago something like that. Me and my brother were we were over at my sister's house in Louisiana and there was gonna be a meteor shower that night. So we me and my brother, we decided to go out and sit in my sister's driveway and just watch the meteor shower. You know, it's

So there's an official narrative. There's a meteor that land in a fireball that instantly went away, and an owl cast a shadow that scared the hell out of these people. Bro And then not only that, there was other sightings. And that doesn't explain the smell. That doesn't explain the nause in the vomiting, That doesn't explain ten foot tall, that didn't explain the hissing. Owls don't hiss, right, So none of this makes sense. But anyway, we're gonna continue reading.

It's ridiculous. And look at this. It even says it right here. The monstrous creature itself was most was most likely to be an owl that was magnified due to the shadow. Yeah, okay, how do you magnify something with a shadow? Well, I mean, like go.

Shadow puppets, right, Like if I would have flashed, I hear, my hands are this big, but against the big ass wall, my fingers can look you know, thirty feet tall or whatever. Like, Okay, I understand the idea here. But if it was a shadow, then how were the eyes glowing in a shadow?

Ah? That's weird. So, according to Nickel, the perceptions of the witness were distorted due to their high level of anxiety.

All of them okay, all of them, yeah, the kids maybe, the mom eh, the National guardsmen possibly, and all of them shared the exact same hallucination and anxiety and hysteria.

Okay, So sure, such a high level of anxiety that, it says this explanation would certainly fit with the clawed hands and glowing eyes and the appearance of floating bro I know, fear as a motherfucker. Fear be scary you know, but you know, as they say, the only thing to fear is fear itself, which I totally am on board with.

Smell the hissing, the sickness afterwards, and then the other couple that saw it, and then that other woman that.

Saw it, Like, what are we talking about here, dude? As an explanation, this seems reasonable, but other aspects of the encounter are way less or less easy to explain. What caused the smell or the fireball clearly seen on the ground, and what then did the Snitzkowskis see in front of their car with a reptilian head that could not be mistaken for an owl? Yeah? Sorry, sorry, I never looked at an owl and thought, oh that looks like a lizard. Never in my life, two totally different creatures.

Yeah, so the town has really leaned into it, you know what I mean. And they, of course maybe not like Roswell in New Mexico. Of course they're going to lean into it.

I loved Roswell too. Like Roswell, if anybody ever gets the chance, if you love aliens and UFOs, Roswell is the coolest place because literally the entire town is alien and UFO centric. Like even in the McDonald's bro it's all aliens. Like it's it's crazy. They have like a huge like alien statue writ in front of McDonald's, which is pretty fucking sweet. Uh is a alien Ronald McDonald? Uh No, No, it's just like a big, tall, metal alien statue right on the McDonald's like property, that's legit

Yes, indeed, okay, okay, cool. So we could see how some bits of the story were starting to, ah well, they were starting to shift a bit. The intentions were not lost by any means, but at the same time, certain things kind of didn't make it to the final cut. Like that first article we read brought up nothing of the people getting sick, which I think is kind of a big one, right, the foul smelling odor that the couple in the car smelled and the people smell like

Ill oh yeah, yeah. So it says when a group of young friends investigated the crash, they ran a foul of the strange creature that put off a noxious fog before chasing them through the forest. The flat Woods Monster is definitely one of the strangest urban legends from West Virginia, and it has a lot of moving parts. The facts about West Virginia's flat Woods Monster aren't cut and dry, and like many stories of close encounters of the third kinds, it comes with a lot of ifs, ands and butts.

I forget what the sickness itself was. They were spraying that pink mold all over the place.

Yeah, yeah, and so and then there was like the what was it like the fucking the crabs blankets or gone rhea smallpox blankets.

Yeah, oh that was in the eighteen hundred to the Native Americans though, but for sure, for.

Sure, yeah, yeah, And so I don't know, it could be just something like that that maybe there are people that are reacting to whatever the government is testing on that area, right, like that could be a solution, it could be.

But also wanting to point out a noxious fog that wasn't brought up in any of the other articles before chasing them through the forest. Nowhere have we read that the monster chased them. They got scared and ran away, Nothing about the monster chasing them, right, So you could see what I mean. The articles, depending on who's writing it, depending on the sources, they start to shift a bit. The monster being seen, the descriptions that was given. That's

Whatever.

Now all of a sudden, it's not only just hissing at them. It's chasing them, and it produced its own noxious fog gas that made them violently ill.

So okay, So the Flatwood's monster appearance is pure nightmare of fuel. The description of the many of many cryptids to ends to vary between retellings, but stories about the Flatwood's Monster rarely changes its look. Witnesses have described the monster as being towering and around seven feet tall, with a black body and a dark glowing face, surrounded by a pointed hoodlike shape. So from ten foot tall to

Like the head is seven and the rest of the point of the spade makes it ten.

I don't know, yeah, could be that hoodlike shape. Many people describe the creature's eyes as shining like an animal's in the darkness, which many people have taken to mean that the creature has an owl like head. The monster's body allegedly has a series of folds that ripple across its torso down toward its feet. Some witnesses have said that the creature has gnarled claws that lash outed people

However, Okay, you know, like a green or brown, how they get dark with no light?

Bro name a color that doesn't get dark and no light that you could literally say that for any color.

Yeah, right, And you see what I'm saying, Like, Oh, the creature's eyes shine, giving it an owl like head. Okay, how many creatures whenever you shine a flashlight in their eyes in the woods shine back at you.

I'll give you a hint most of them. And also, you know, whenever I think of an owl, like, one of the most distinguishing feature features is on an owl outside of its eyes are the pointed ears. Yeah, you know, like the batman like ears. There's no ears on this thing. None.

It's a spade pointed hood thing. You don't see pointed ears like an owl. So I'm with you one hundred percent.

So it says being in the presence of the Flatwood's Monster causes nausea and convulsing, So everyone who's had the poor luck to run into the Flatwood's Monster has experienced the same physical symptoms to varying degrees. Some of them deal with throat and nose irritation, while other people who were in the vicinity began vomitating and convulsing. Weeks after the event, one of the boys in the group, gene Lemon, was still unable to swallow liquids because of the irritation.

Mono makes you just like super sick and weak. And I don't even I don't know personally if it makes you puke and shit a bunch or if it just kills your appetite, makes you like super sick. I've only known one person to get mono. She was a chick in high school and she was like I would say, objectively hot, and like was thick and then she no only thick like I mean she was, she had curves

Oh shit, I know. It was going around a lot. Whenever I was living in Pennsylvania, everybody was getting mono. It was like everybody in my grade had it. Cause yeah, yeah, it was like uh like it was like you know how everybody whenever people get sick. Nowadays it's like, oh, you got COVID, right, Yeah. Back then, it was just understood that, especially like kid age people, it was mono. Man.

I see, we never really had that big outbreak of it growing up in Louisiana.

Man, it could have just been a misunderstanding. I don't know. I mean, at least at least that's what the school nurses were telling us. Anyway, I mean maybe it was. I mean, maybe that was like an advanced case.

Also, like maybe there's like lighter cases of mono or something like that. But if your boy is having issues swallowing food, maybe like some streped throat type of situation. Okay, I could see this with you but the nausea, all this other stuff with it. They're saying it was like the effects of mustard gas. We haven't heard that from any earlier reports yet, so that's next level.

So a doctor also noted that the effects are the same as people who are suffering from hysteria. But the claim somehow sign sounds even more ridiculous than a group of people seeing a horrific owl creature in the woods. Many alien abductees have had similar symptoms to the people who saw the Flatwood's Monster, which points towards the creature being from another planet or dimension. Let's go, baby, let's go. Absolutely so there is an ominous myths that follows the creature,

Haven't heard that anywhere else but this article. And I'm not saying that makes this fake. I'm saying, why wasn't that reported.

Other places sprayed in the face by a smoke that came from folds on them? First of all, what does it even mean? The folds? Are we talking about like like a gill like thing that you know?

It's like it says, a metal dress, right, whatever it's wearing has like folds in it, like creases if you will.

Ew. That's fucking strange, dude. As the night went on, the mist grew into a heavy fog that settled across the countryside. After the boys were sprayed with the mist made it home, they noticed that their faces were covered with an oily residue. Their throats swelled up so much that they couldn't drink liquids for two weeks. The way oily residue die. Well, I mean, clearly they're hallucinating because they have a fucking oily residue on them.

Clearly they're hallucinating that they couldn't drink water for two weeks.

Which also, how did they not die?

I don't even know, Well, it probably it was probably starting IVS in nineteen forty eight.

Well, it was probably just like hard for them, not that they couldn't. I don't That's what I'm saying.

Man, I don't know how much of this is like creative liberties, how much of this is true to the facts. None of the other articles he read said anything about boys getting sprayed with oily substance, But that doesn't mean it wasn't something that happened.

Maybe those are things that were omitted from other stories. It's kind of like, you know, whenever you get sick and you're like, oh, dude, I can't even get up out of bed. I mean you can, It's just hard, kind of right, right, So, the Flatwood's Monster has been

Now, this is a little different from the story we heard that their car was broke down, this monster touched it and it magically started back up.

This says that it floated in the air and paid them little to no mind. So again, well, and this is the magic. This is the magic of myth, well, the magic of myth and legend, you know, because there's always I mean, dude, any time, dude, even just bigfoot.

Right.

Some people believe it's interdimensional, some people believe it's physical. Some people believe it's both, you know, like.

If it's an angelic source, some people believe it's a nephylimic and demonic source.

I'm with you, right, I mean, and also imagine like the people that are documenting like elves and fairies and shit like that. It's like, well, and that's why they have to, you know, come up with all these different names of all the different elves and fairies and shit like that, like the Brownie the elf kind of situation like that one he just wants to make sure your house ain't too clean and not too dirty, you know it kind of thing. And it's like they always have

Of course, because we had robots in nineteen forty eight, but.

Again did we So Throughout various descriptions of the flat Woods Monster, there are vague mentions of a metallic suit worn by the creature. Actually, metallic suit is too descriptive. Some witnesses don't mention metal of any sort, so and some say that the creature was a reptilian head sticking out of a metal saucer like object, and a few researchers believe that it was an extraterrestrial biological entity wearing

I mean, in nineteen forty eight, I mean, I know Thailand just right now has the world's first AI powered RoboCop.

Dude, that thing is fucking wild.

But that only came about in twenty twenty five, nineteen forty eight.

I would I don't know this for a fact.

I know people are gonna say, uh, well, they have technology they'd never let us see, which I agree. I get that they didn't have this type of robot back then. Hell, the Jetsons weren't even on TV at.

This point, do do do Do you see what I'm saying?

Well, I mean not like most homes had a television in them, right, most people were fucking around with the family radio program.

Right.

But Like my point is, I think it's a little early to say that America is trying and testing out a new robot.

Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think that that's likely.

But to your point, could this be a scouting drone of some type from an entity from another dimension, another planet, another whatever, and it was robotic in nature but it was made to look a certain way to kind of hopefully blend in.

Yeah, I could see that. I mean, look, we a lot, but okay, we allegedly send robot scouts to other planets. Yeah, you know, right, Like there's there's no kind of so it's possibility.

Rover, but that's more like a a golf cart looking or golf cart just a car looking drone. But I mean, how do we know what the aliens think a drone should look like?

You know? Well, it says the government tried to cover up the monster. It says people with interest in the Flatwood's monster can argue themselves to sleep about what the monster actually is. Is it an alien, a cryptid, an interdimensional traveler? All three? No one is going to ever, No one is ever going to come up with a definitive answer. But the one thing that's undeniable is that the government is absolutely aware about what happened in West

Okay, a barn owl in the middle of the woods, because that's where barn owls live.

All right, I mean, I imagine barn owls existed before barnes did. There's a reason.

Well, okay, fair, fair, but it's not like a wild owl is not the same as a barn owl. Like they're different breeds.

So cool, dude, I love owls. They're fucking awesome looking. Sorry you drinking from a hofbro House glass over there, sir, m shout out. I went there in Germany, was sick. It was the only place I wasn't allowed to drink alcohol as a fourteen year old. By the way, like, so half bra, get your shit together and get with the rest of Germany that allows everybody to drink. It's on my list, dude. I want to go to Germany one of these days. I would love to go back to Paris. I want to go to Rome. I want

So in this same article it said it hissed, it sprayed them with the oil, they got sick from it violently.

Ill was the title of this article, I might add.

And then out of nowhere, Oh, it was just a barn owl, and it was just from these kids. Never mind the couple in what they saw, never mind the woman and her friends cutting through the woods to go to the store that saw what they saw.

These things are just whatever, of course, Devil's advocate. Devil's advocate here. It is possible, unlikely, I believe, but you could make a case for the placebo effect here, because if these kids were so scared that they almost cause a disruption within their own hormones, within their own chemical makeup, and they saw one of their buddies getting sick, and they thought that that was inevitably coming to them. That

If this was two kids that were in the woods, saw some ship that they got scared of, went home and told their mom, and that's what got big.

I'm with you for sure.

This massive I'm saying massive group, but a group of people all seeing it, experiencing the exact same thing. A couple, the girl, all of it within the same evening. But this thing jumped because it wasn't like in the same spot in the woods. So is it possible that that ball of fire was it stepping into an out of a portal? Any that whole crash thing that wasn't a craft in reality? Is that what it looks like when you tear a hole through time and space to jump from point A to point B.

Anything's possible. And I do want to make mention here just because we are talking about fire, and we were talking about things that transpired after the fire. You know, whether it's a glowing orb of fire or whatever, it is. The idea so within like within magic and witchcraft and stuff like that, what they a lot of people do is they practice candle magic. And the idea is to stare into the flame and reduce all of your thoughts down to one specific thought, and it'll basically force you

Every one of them said they saw the ball of fire and then when they looked back it was gone.

And then and then it transformed into this creature.

All they don't say it transformed. All they're saying is that they saw ballifire. When they investigated further, the creature was there. So that's what I'm saying.

Is it possible that that's a.

Portal opening and maybe a fourth dimensional entity opening a portal to step into the three D world? Because fire is a reaction, right, Fire is not like a substance. You can't have a cup of fire, you know what I mean. It's a it's a thing that can burn, and fire is a byproduct of the burning. So is that what it looks like? Possibly when a portal opens up, was it a craft that kept crashing and crashing and crashing because he was trying to get back up in the air and he had.

A couple of fuck ups on the on the way.

I don't know, but every time they saw the big ball of fire, they look back and it wasn't there, but the creature was yeah, I.

Don't know, I don't know, and very similar to the woman coming down in the orb for Chris Bledsoe. It was an orb and then she came out of it. You hear stories like this, and that's not only like I know, I like to bring up the Bloodshow story because it's fucking fascinating, but that's not the only one.

And then, in that same line, right of thinking of maybe it was a false imagination or whatever the case is, the article continues and says that the monster may be a result of false memories. Now this is where I'm I'm with you here.

I think that's a bit.

Insulting to just write it all off like that. Again, one person not remembering all of the details. Okay, fine, I get it. I don't have a perfect memory of every single thing that's ever happened in my life. Okay, all of these people having a false memory, yet all being able to draw the exact same entity.

Bro What that says. Many alien abductees and witnesses of UFO phenomena like the flat Woods Monster have a similar detail in many of their stories. Either they see an owl shortly before or after their alien interaction, like I was saying, or the creature they met or they meet looked strangely like an owl. This experience is known to the paranormal community as screen memory, a false image implanted in the imagination of someone interacting with extraterrestrial with an

Oh, you know they see owls in this owl like figure, this owl shaped inditect No it is not. It is not shaped like an owl. This does not look like an owl. And none of them said they saw one in the woods before or after this entity.

Well, and that's the thing, and this is a perfect case. That's the thing about imagination. You can imagine that they saw an owl, and then the story that would correlate, you know, that comes from the owl. So you saw an owl, you know that it's a precursor of things to come or something that has just happened or whatever. Right, And the person that is trying to figure out the story is using their imagination to try and build here.

It is, indeed so the false false memories bullshit here. Now, this is one of those that I thought was kind of cool in pop culture. I didn't realize that in Zelda an Ocarina of Time this entity is based off of the Flatwoods Monster.

Oh how about that? It says it's hard to get your name out there when you don't have a pr machine to match that of the Lockness Monster or the Lockness Monster or Bigfoot. But the Flatwoods Monster still has its fans. Up until two thousand and six, flat Woods held a three day festival celebrating the creature, and it even makes an appearance in the Legend of Zeld Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask as the inspiration Lockerina of Time.

But the keynotes of the story itself from the people that kind of seems to be just in the same mix here. Yet somehow people are just easily writing it off as a shadow, mind games, misremembering, hallucinations, shared hallucinations, because you know those are so common and shit, yeah it's wild things. So we got one more article that I have pulled up here, a haunted place as a matter of fact, under the cannot be of mystery, the

Huh looks cool. I think it's pretty dope. So yeah, we don't really need the whole story right there. What is the Flatwoods Monster?

Uh?

Where do you want to start here?

I mean, we already talked about what happened here the nineteen fifty two all the stuff. They break this down though as far as the like, they took away all of the people's interpretations of it and they go straight into here's the details, here's the aftermath. And I thought that was a pretty decent way to kind of wrap it on in Okay.

So, the Flatwoods Monster, often referred to as the Braxton County Monster or the Phantom of flat Woods, is a cryptid that allegedly was cited the town of flat Woods in Braxton County, West Virginia in nineteen fifty two. This creature is one of the most famous entrees in American cryptid lore, with a particularly striking and eerie description. Here's a rundown of the flat Wood's Monster legend. The sighting details.

Okay, now we're going to get into They got eight possible explanations, and some of these are meh, some of these are just downright insulting. We've covered some of them already, but I feel like this one is the all encompassing list, so let's dive in.

So the site of the Flatwood Monster remains one of the more perplexing events encrypted lore. Over the years, several explanations, ranging from extraterrestrial to more mundane, have been put forth to explain the event in the creature's appearance. Here are some of the most commonly suggested explanations.

Number one, Well, before we do this, after each one, me and you give a thumbs up or thumbs down if we think this is even plausible, outright just bullshit, or hey, this might be the truth here. Let's let's do that on each They got.

Eight all right, Number one, given the uh, it's an extraterrestrial being, given the initial reports of a flying object and the creature's strange appearance, some believe it might have been an alien from another planet. This idea is further reinforced by the era during which the sighting occurred, at time of heightened UFO sightings and public interest in extraterrestrial life, giving that one the thumbs up thumbs out.

Yes, I think that's more than likely the case, but hey, we got seven more to go.

Let's see Barnow. One of the more popular skeptical explanations is that the witness encounter to Barnew, the creature's high and the glow of its eyes could be accounted for by an owl perched on a tree or higher ground, with its eyes reflecting the light from a flashlight or another source. The spade shaped head is somewhat reminiscent of the shape of an owl's face.

Completely thumbs down for me, personally, I've never seen an owl's face shape be that of an ace of spades.

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go teeter totter here, I'm gonna say up and down because I don't think that it was just an owl as we know it. I personally think that owls not all maybe, but I think that some owls could be mystical creatures in and of themselves, especially the ones that are out in the forest. They maybe they're they're hiding their true appearance by taking the form of an owl. Maybe you can make an explanation for that. Okay, So still on the more cryptid slash alien.

No, I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm sorry, man, Like Okay, if there was a crash and there was wreckage associated with this entity, maybe that was like some sort of new experimental flight suit that they were dealing with. Okay, we could have that conversation. No, nothing about this checks like any of those boxes.

It's gonna be a no for me, dog right. Number four. Mass hysteria or misinterpretation. It's possible that the initial sightings of the unexplained object in the sky, combined with the heightened tension and fear, led to a group misinterpretation. The human mind can sometimes perceive familiar objects as unfamiliar or even menacing in stressful or ambiguous situations. Yeah, I'm gonna go, and no for that one too, bro.

Sorry, one, two, maybe even three people having some sort of a crazy story that almost sounds alike. So they just kind of joined forces in roam with it. Okay, Okay, possibly this many people not even in the same group. They're from different areas around the same city, all having the similar experiences. No, I'm sorry, there's no way this was a mass hallucination.

Number five chemical exposure. The pungent missed and the subsequent symptoms. Symptoms experienced by the witness have led some to speculate that they might have been exposed to some kind of chemical or gas. This could have affected their perceptions or even included or induced hallucinations.

So if the story is true that the monster had a fog or a mist around it and or spray two of these boys, okay, then I would say this would be confirmed. But that would mean that only those two experienced the hallucination at that point, and that would make no sense that all of them experienced a hallucination and even still if the gas from around this area produced all of it, what caused the gas?

Yeah, I this just reminds me of Scarecrow. Not to make my second Batman or second DC comment here, but like the Scarecrow, the villain from Batman, he would always give off like this miss and it caused everybody to hallucinate that way. Whenever they look back at him. He was terrifying and he was like a fucking nightmare, right, which is pretty fucking brilliant of an idea, I think.

Agreed, agreed, go ahead, and throwing up that thumbs down for myself here.

Number six, it was a hoax, though the genuine fear and concerned and concern exhibited by the witnesses make a deliberate hoax on their part unlikely. It's always possible that someone else staged a prank that unintentionally terrified the group.

Okay, so for someone to stage a prank on six school children, a mom, and a nineteen year old, that means that they would have had to have known that someone was going to come into that section of the woods just to investigate something that.

Could not be explained in the first place. The couple.

So you're telling me that somebody staged a reptilian looking thing to make their car magically start up when it had just broke down.

That makes no sense to me. Yeah, it would have to be so elaborate, and also that does Let's say it is a hoax that somebody just goes out there in a halloween costume to scare these people, right, a ten foot tall Halloween costume. You're not gonna get sick, You're not going to be throwing up, you're not gonna have the shits, You're not gonna be able to not swallow liquid. So no, now that's not to say that maybe a lot of these things are happening at the

There's so many hoops to jump through to make that make sense. Man, you know me, I'm more of the Okham's razor tips.

Easier just to believe the most likely.

I mean, yeah, if we're looking at the entire story, it's way more likely like for that to happen. That means that somebody would have had to have known that there was gonna be a crash or some sort of fireball in these people's farm, set up with a glowing eyed, spade shaped headed, ten foot tall mask or silhouette or something like that. Knew that these people or some people were gonna be going that route because they were going

And the time. The timing is peculiar too, because Roswell was forty six, wasn't ith.

Yeah, So a lot of these sightings happened around the time when as soon as the mayor as soon as the world started dropping nukes on each other, all of a sudden, these extraterrestrials started paying more attention to us. I think that they saw that as a giant step up in our technological advancement. Nuclear power and nuclear bombs are just kind of that next evolutionary stage where it's like, oh, we're not just gliding around, shooting each other with lead.

Things. Yeah, think about it like this, if there were if we were able to know for sure that there are some kind of beings living on the Moon. Some people believe that I tend to believe that there's something going on the Moon that we don't know about, just with the whole Shoot the Moon documentary. But let's just say that there are people or beings I'll just say living on the moon or in the Moon. Well, what happens whenever they go to war and somebody nukes somebody

To me, I think that that is more than likely personally, just Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob. And I'm not saying that we were never visited from extraterrestrial life or interdimensional life, maybe both, maybe separate, I don't know, but I'm sure that we were visited before we started dropping nukes on each other.

For sure.

But it seems very crazy that as soon as we did, all of a sudden, they got reports of them in China, Russia, all over the desert, in America, all over Europe more than ever before. You know, I'm just saying it seems highly likely that when we started fucking with that next level of technological advancement, the aliens started paying attention.

That's just me, Yeah, dude, as above, so below, baby, so anyway, number seven, and it could could it have been an unknown animal. While the described creature doesn't match any known animals in the region, some speculate it could have been an undiscovered species or a known species exhibiting

And again the whole owl thing. None of the eyewitnesses said anything about a fucking owl. But even if, okay, a giant bear, a black bear, they had those in West Virginia. Matter of fact, the necklace that I had, the tooth, I pulled that from a bear's mouth in West Virginia, right, So, I mean for sure, and they get tall, you know, a bear's hands being up like that to try to scare them or something. Dude, the people in West Virginia wouldn't have mistaken a giant, speed headed entity with.

A metal body for a black bear. And I'm with you.

Last time I checked, we don't have any animals on record in North America they even look close to this description.

And a bear is not gonna be hissing at you. No, no, dude, none of that. None of that makes sense.

Seeh an unknown animal gonna go ahead and say that's just false us.

A bear is wearing like some snake bling. That's the only which isn't gonna happen. Possibly I just haven't seen it. I don't know. Finally, the final one is number eight, folklore or legend come to life. In many cultures, there are legends of supernatural entities or creatures that can emerge

Okay, so I get what they're saying, but there is no kind of story about something like this in the area before this happened. And again, have you ever in your life seen any other image that looked like that? We have talked about how many alien stories, how many cryptid stories, strange sightings, hallucinations, DMT trips. We talk about everything here. I personally have never seen an entity or cryptid or creature or whatever look like the flat Woods monster was described.

Now I do wanna say this. There are such things as Tulpa's and Aggrigor's that sometimes myths and legends turn into some kind of reality. For example, the slender Man was a video game like that was never a real creature, right, Like, nobody's ever actually seen a slender Man before it was created in a video game or you know, in pop culture. But then you hear stories about people witnessing slender Man.

Yeah, yeah, So I'm just saying the folklore and legend come to life. There was no full folklore or legend before this took place, and there hasn't been any sense except for things like this. So the town in West Virginia. This is actually from the West Virginia Public Broadcasting website and uh yeah again this is the poster. This is the image that was drawn all of these things, and the town kind of leaned into it.

Bro they had this museum.

This guy here, Andrew Smith, he's the executive director of the Braxton County Visitor Center.

He founded the museum too.

Although he says originally the flat Woods Monster Collection could fit into on one small shelf. Now there's an entire museum.

Bro.

There's comic books, there's children's books, there's paintings and wood carvings and all these things. The people really leaned into it.

Bro.

Look at this tattoo. Oh that's sick, you know what I mean?

Look at now that kind of looks like a robot a little bit. Yeah, I could see it. Look at these Japanese interpretations of the Flatwood Monster.

They made toys in Japan off of that dog. Fuck. Yeah. So I mean, look, could it be a thing these days? Yeah? People kind of took it to this level.

And if somebody said that they saw the flat Woods Monster again today, maybe, like you said, it's the imagination come to life or something like that.

I could see this.

But as far as the story itself of the flat Woods Monster goes, big Dog, I think there's way more to the story than what the quote unquote official narrative would will have us believe. And yeah again to all the good cult members. When I was looking into the flat Wood or Flatlands conversation, did not mean to stumble into the interdimensional conversation that we did last time. But when I found the book Flatland, I felt like, you know,

Could be sure?

Could they equally be creatures from another planet that have made their way here in secret because they have tech that is way more advanced than ours, and they know how to pierce our atmosphere and our van Allen radiation belt and jumped light years in time, and all these things could be Could it also be a fourth or fifth or sixth dimensional living creature that for whatever reason has stepped down to our third dimensional plane even for just a second, and what our eyes will see won't

Yeah, for sure, I love this this kind of stuff because I think that there's so many things that are out there that we have no fucking clue are going on, Like there are there are always going to be things that that just blow minds and and and open up your third eye and just make you wonder like what if so so, Yeah, if you love this kind of stuff, please, uh you know, come check us out over at patreons. That's the best way to be able to support us.

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