#777- The Discovery | Danny Goler | The Spirit Molecule & Proof Of The Matrix

he started working in the documentary about the film. He created this little trailer that most people who know about the project probably know about it through the trailer, and that one went viral and then went more viral than Joe. Rogan kind of blurped it out, and then after that it just went, you know, all over the place.

had the show. It's this crazy nine minute rant about DMT.

little small bit of experience with four aco DMT. Jonathan is somebody who has ingested pure DMT and has had a variety of effects. Now I want to ask you, as a would you consider yourself a psychonaut or what's the word a psychedelic?

that are sixty that they can claim. But I'm there, so I guess in that sense, yes, But The reason that I try to stay away from that is because psychonauts and people who kind of define themselves as psychonauts, they usually belong to a particular kind of culture. There's nothing wrong with the culture, I just it's not my attitude towards this whole thing or in general. I think it should squarely be fitted within humans understanding of reality

as a whole. So I would consider what we're doing more of new flavor of physics, even though nothing is really outside of regular physics in the older sense of physics, which is just the understanding of the world. Whatever it is. It doesn't have to be physical necessarily. And we were actually like kind of bouncing around some potential titles for it. As the Carter, my partner, he really loves Wait, what's the thing that really logos physics? To me, it feels a little bit philosophical.

any of that. You're looking at it for the the true profound effects it can have on the individual.

the time. And with you being able to shine the laser through the glass well is reflected, no reflected, diffracted and shine it up on a wall and for you to notice that and see almost like the coding of this matrix type reality. Are you of the belief that, after all of your research and all of your experiences, are you of the belief that this absolutely is some kind of matrix.

didn't have hazardly came across this thing. It's not like a laser was on and I happened to smoke DMT and I saw it in the corner of my eye. I wait, holy shit, what is that?

so to speak. So like how did you even find this?

the full story stretches over eleven years. So it's a long story of how I came to it, and all the steps are necessary because it had to do with certain levels of nosis, certain levels of realization and intuition, but coupled with my understanding of the world, with the mentory understanding of physics and what we know and what we don't know, and that that kind of led me through this journey to answer to ask the question seriously, so like can we discern is this a real space

or not a real space? And some people even bite the bullet here and they kind of, you know, start playing this language, and it's like, well, what do you mean by real? Well as real as a rock that can nature on the head how's that you know that that's.

you can't walk through the wall. And again, this is where I kind of I don't really follow people towards these like avenues of like, well, you don't know, but maybe you can walk through the walls. Like okay, well you do that, you come back to me. But in the meanwhile, right here, let's think about what that actually means. Right, So, when you go through the DMT space famously, and you said you have a little bit of experience, some of your listeners who have less or more experience would know

DMT is unique in that it feels very real. And then people who never done MT before, to them, it's kind of hard to explain. What do you even mean by that? Like more real than real? What does that mean? Well, kind of the same thing, like when you wake up from a dream and it feels more real than this same thing goes one level up, right, Yeah, And I asked myself, is there a way to determine whether it is actually real or is it a really sophisticated trick

of the mind. And that's what that was the aim, And then I based it on some first principles assumptions. One of them was that light must have been involved, because I can see it with my eyes. The other one was that if the space is real, it must have some rules by which it's operating, otherwise it would

be indistinguishable from just chaos and nonsense. And if so, then it would have a geometry that you can measure and you can talk about mathematically, and it would have topology, and it would have an entry point of some sort. And because we sometimes seems to see it, sometimes we don't, that's an important distinction, right. So these were kind of my guiding principles, and then I follow that across many many years, which eventually the exact details would take us

pretty far. But the short version is. I followed these ideas for years, and eventually they led me to the idea that if you projected diffractive laser on the surface, something is supposed to happen. I didn't even know what, but it was clear to me, like, no, like that's what it means, Like there's some function of light with diffraction.

It must do something. And then tried it worked, and then I've been showing people and everybody started seeing the same thing, which is unheard of now just a one cavey out there, because it's important for me to mention. For to be fair, there is a percentage of people that don't see it that easily in the beginning. It takes them some time. They kind of they don't really

know how to focus properly. We're now kind of zoning in and trying to figure out what exacts exactly is it that causes that for some people, because some people see it right away, some people see it after five minutes, thirty minutes, and some people take from like many, many, many tries, but eventually everybody sees the same thing, and from that moment on, it's never different. It's always exactly what you see, and it's extremely coherent and you can

talk about it, you can talk about real objects. And just to tie tie in the point I was making before, which is that when I discovered this, it became clear to me that there's an incomplete there's some kind of an issue of Vinn diagrams here that you have to paint the caricature version of the picture. You have half of the people like full on psychonauts who just kind of and you're exactly correct that the flavor of psychoonts and the now are very different than the hippies of the sixties.

of content that it can create is literally infinite? So what is the value of you telling me you met a purple girlfriend? Who cares? It's like, it's like, I went to New York. Okay. So if I'm telling you so, usually i'll tell you why. It's usually very boring because for the most part, people tell it as if telling you that it was a purple girlfriend, as if that's amazing.

It isn't. What would be amazing is if you tell me something that truly connects to either a deep understanding of the world in some way that is tangible and actionable, or you give me some kind of an insight that I can see you caring more than just your virtue signal. So you're not just telling me about it, but I

can see you've truly been transformed. And not because you breathe more now and you talk to me like this, but because there's something about your behavior that is truly different than what I've seen before, then it would be interesting. So the reason I don't care about my trip reports or anybody else's trip report is because these things are completely arbitrary. It's not where the substance, it's not where

the meat is. And this is why when I ask myself the question about the you know, can we answer the question? It was clear to me at least that the answer has to be focusing on what the space has to offer, and then what can we extract, generalize and abstract from it that is not connected to just the content of what you've seen. It's like Terrence mccinnugh famously used to say, people say the colors. The colors,

forget the colors malarky. That's one of these famous kind of sticks where it's like, it's not the colors, it's what is it telling you, right, And there's a very big tendency of people to connect it to some arbitrary ideas they already had, so then they immediately like, you know, just project everything that they thought. They then it means this or that, or the Egyptians or that. I was like, dude, you don't know this, right, So like, just give it a second to be what it is instead of you

telling it what it is. And if you can do this for years, not a couple of times, it will start revealing to you what it really is, which is there's operational parts of it that are actually rigid, as rigid as physical space. You can rely on that you can navigate through, that you can communicate with it to some degree with some amount of accuracy. But it's almost like you build a map of something that you can

repeat and you can actually share. For the most part, I've have I met anybody that truly can do this. I honestly want to say that maybe to be fair, because I don't remember at the moment. Let's say I met a couple of people at the moment, I can't even recall those. But let's say I met a couple of people that can do that. Aside from those two that I just leaving for the benefit of the doubt for a second, I don't know anybody. I never met

one person that could deliver on this claim. They always say no, no, no, like trust like I can do like this thing, I can repeat it like nobody that I ever met can do that. It's just it's not what it does. Now. Actually, here's the one of the examples that it's a good thing I reserved to these couple. Definitely, people who've been doing it for thousands of years developed

these techniques. So like Shaman's definitely developed a technology to talk to it through ecoros, for example, in ayahuasca, right,

So like through certain songs, through certain ceremonies. They can actually repeat certain things, including the healing process, including even invoking certain patterns that many people can see it once that I would say squarely fits in the category of hey, they figured something out, they understood something about the space, but it took them thousands of years, right, and here

we are. This is the trend, Right, everybody did mushrooms once and now they're posting on Instagram that they're enlightened or they're oh, they're like, that's just crazy. Like and I said it to a good friend of mine. She's very well natured, she's great, but there's this little thing that is a little delusional, right, And I'm like, well, let's think about this for a second. If you would need an advice on anything right now, and it was serious,

who would you go to to an expert? Right? Somebody who spent their whole life, for the majority of their life, like really studying whatever it is that you're trying to understand. Sure, people that are the true experts of not just like the expert, but just like introspection monks. Right, how many monks do you know running around and saying that they're enlightened.

claiming to your question about the code. The only thing I'm putting on the table with absolute certainty is that the code is as real as Jupiter is there. It's real, real, like real, real, like you and I like the bottle, like whatever it is that you're holding. Forget for a second, a whole, but this is all maya, let's put that for a second aside. Okay, it's real. It's like the physical matter that you're touching right now. That's the only thing I'm saying. Do I know what this code is

actually doing? Is it coding for the actual constituents of reality? All that stuff? Of course I don't know. How can I possibly know. We're working on that. We have to figure out what it is yet. But that's the only thing I'm putting on the table aslute, with absolute certainty. And again, the people who get kind of really uncomfortable what I'm claiming with that amount of certainty, I'm putting myself in that chair. Don't worry, Time will tell, right.

I'm not asking you to accept it. But so that's one and the other one is yes, we're absolutely living in a computational environment. It's just with one modulo that what that means is much more than what most people assume it means. It's not like in the movie that we're prisoners in some kind of a matrix and we need to break out into some kind of a base reality. There is no base reality. It is all computational. In fact, if anything, I always say it's the matrix upside down.

You have the real world that is the computational world, and what experience is a subset of that. It's a smaller version inside of the bigger world, computational world that we call physical because we're used to it. But it is actually the less real world. So it's like it's not not real, it's just it's a spot.

see the trip reports. Right. I don't expect anybody to just accept what I'm saying, because if you have an experience it, why would it be real for you?

original source. And then you have what they call the Oh god, it's been a minute since I looked into it, but basically it there's like four levels and we are at the fourth level being in physical reality, being the farthest possible emanation from the source.

than really all the contemplative spiritual traditions. Like essentially it's the same story, right, you have a source, you have some emanation of the source, and then talking about the different levels and the number of levels again seems arbitrary to me because we don't really have a way to know, and I would put that strong. So like whenever people kind of come online, not gonna mention names right now, but they make the claim they can distinguish between the

sixth and the seventh dimension. I'm like, I don't know how you know that, but let's say they do. It's if the source is truly infinite, the kind of system that it would choose to operate through, both in terms of functionality of itself and in terms of your perception of it, to me, are much less relevant than what you can potentially do with it and how you can end or how you can use that to better your life and the life around you.

reality of any other space. Right And in the sense of so, if you're asking me directly, Danny, I would tell you that what I was shown is a slightly different picture. And I was shown it actually on four aco very clearly, without any hedges hesitations. It was pretty much like a diagram. They just showed me the full structure. To be super clear, it does not mean that what I think is that I've been shown the ultimate state of affairs. But it's as valid as any other if

you're talking about some other people's experience. Right. So the picture that I've been shown was a little different. And again I want to make it clear because you know, I'm not trying to say, oh, I've been given the answers, but here's an picture that I've been shown very clearly. There's some kind there's some kind of a structure of three bodies. One of these bodies, like can imagine them, like three balls of some sort. One of them is

our multiverse. So the entire multiverse, not just the universe, all the universes that we can possibly ever see are in one of these balls, and the other two I don't even know what they are. Okay. Outside of all of that, Outside of all of that, almost unrelated, there's this other space with gods in it which are absolutely not us. So we're absolutely not God. Okay, we are part of a unified thing, but that's not the same as gods. Gods are different, Okay, in that enormous hierarchy

that there's a lot of them. Everything that which is a little uncomfortable that we used to think is true and then started thinking it's not true, it's actually true. So the biblical God is there, the other guy is there as well, and all the way at the top is a woman and no, not Gya. I'm gonna remind everybody Gaia is just the Earth and we're talking about this hole. One ball was the multiverse. So definitely not what people think. It's like, yay, you know that whole thing. No,

she's very different and she is beyond comprehension. Also, it was made clear to me that nobody messes with her.

If anything, they usually mask that fact. But they are that's their true form, okay, And they have a form because they are part of the ones that have a form. So they are insectoids. They're kind of weaving realities that their job. You can think of them as like the management company.

don't know either. For them, the the ying and the yang, they're one and the same. They can experience the ultimate darkness and the ultimate light all at once, which is what's required to understand certain function and reality. Everything that is to be understood in existence has to be experienced by some thing. They are the ones that get to experience the full line. They can have one eye in one and one eye in the other, and all at once.

It's also why they don't exist in any level. They are free to move through all the levels wherever they want. They're the closest thing to a god in our reality, and they are not. They each one of them, even though they have their own world, Each one of them is their own species. So they are a separate species, each and every one of them, even though they have their own world.

a woman. To be clear, he didn't come to me as if like he came to me, but it was shown to me from the side, like with part of the diagram, that Jesus Christ is real, not metaphorically like real real, The whole story is true, okay, And he serves a function of basically carrying the karma of humanity until humanity can kind of get its grips because we are very imperfect beings, and there is a system of checks and balances. Unfortunately, so it is what it is

and nothing can change it. So in order to operate within that system, you have to have some kind of a I guess, corrective mechanism that allows the species to reach a certain level of ability without constantly falling into the worst possible situation. So that one of the gods, the biblical God, split himself in his infinite love, all of that is true, created a function inside of our little ball that he has to have physical representation that carries the karma for us until we figure it out.

And the only price we have to pay for that wonderful service is the acknowledgment that this is done for us, which is what accepting Jesus, Christ, Lloyd and Savior is, which is you just paying a token of like recognition saying thank you for doing that. Okay, Now, it is very uncomfortable because Christians love this part and they love

throwing out in everybody's faces. And to that, I say, first of all, if you lapping it up inside and you feel a sense of pride, which is a sin, and if you feel a sense of superiority because you're carrying that idea, be careful because you are also, in that instance, not being christ like, so you it's not just the recognition, it's also being able to carry the amount of signature of goodness that you can to its

full potential. It's also part of it. So I'm only mentioning this is because this kind of stuff was never on my hard drive. I was born in Russia. This was not even part of my repertoire of.

for me, the whole Jesus Christ bit. It's just not it's not in my system, Like it's not I'm not, I'm not. If you were born in America, even if you don't like Jesus, you are in some relationship to him, either you like it or not. It's part of the culture, right, right, that's not even in my subconscious like it's not there, Like it's not part of my system. So why would

I be shown Jesus Christ. And what's more, they could have shown me like a metaphor, right, they could show me like an archetype of some sort of like ooh this this is yeah, like this thing that you believe that is kind of like Jesus. There's such a thing, but it's not Jesus obviously, there's like some No, they're like showed me the whole image of like Jesus Christ with the robe, with the whole thing, right, And they was showing me that he was ascending to the whatever.

It was like we're coming to an end of an age and he was ascending up. He was basically kind of from what I understood from me and he was kind of finishing his contract and we're now going to take the karma on us. It's going to be collective, so it's like the next level up. So now there's no more somebody who's helping us out. We're kind of like young adults. Now we're on our own, but we still not perfect, so we can't do it personally. So we share the karma together, so like we can't do

it alone, but we can together. We can kind of correct each other like yo, yo, that's not what we're agreed on, right, kind of like go about it that way. So that's what I've seen. In addition to that, I was shown that I'm sitting in this basement alone with VR glasses with infinite screens in front of me, inside of one of these balls.

So if I start hurting you, right, I'm not actually hurting you, I'm hurting projections in my reality.

was what I understood. Also, they also showed me the mental brood set behind me, so it's like, you know this fractal that the infinite world's evolving. They're automated according to the shoreline of the mental both set, which it makes perfect sense because it's infinite complexity. Uh, when I was shown from what I actually I have to be honest, I don't remember if I added this part later as

a confabulation. I truly don't remember, Like, I don't recall if it was part of that showing or if because when I was thinking about it, it kind of goet meshed together.

none of them ever repeat the same way. None of them are the same, not one of them.

of the metal bot set. We want to see if it's possible, because if we can show it's possible, then we have something that we can actually show that is actionable versus just kind of like what I'm saying, right, We want to see if it's and it seems that we're managing to do something.

equation is out there. It's more or less a matter of figuring it out and putting it to code right.

anybody's tired from my trip report, I would be. But the last part that I saw was actually really interesting, and I this is the part that I have to be honest, like, I'm not sure if I edit it later, but it makes perfect sense to me, which is that the only time where you do break through this veil of being alone in your own world and you meet an actual other that is conscious also on their own side, is when you enter the channel of what we call love. Love.

So when you feel true love, not infatuation or sexual attraction in any of that, but like true, like love, whatever that is at its core, doors open, and if you are in the presence of a particular avatar, the system registers to the main frame goes, hey, what about them? Are they also? And then if they are also, it's

like a key. And you know how people say like when they're especially when they're in love, and it's very strong, they go, oh my god, I feel like we're the only two in the world, the only two be it's because you are. You literally are the only now to actual agents in the entire world, because you open this

door with love. And the question is can you open the ultimate door of everybody kind of and this is where the idea of where all one comes from, because the open can actually open the door for us, the collective one to re emerge as the collective that we are in our little domain. Keeping in mind that it is still our local group. There are many, many, many other ones, and outside of that you have these gods

that are a completely different thing. And to be fair, because before I said, what is the relevance of all of these details? Right, if it doesn't actually make anything good, I have to admit that unless we can find a way, for example, like make something work with the mental god set, or make this idea more salient to people, that love truly is like even from a technical standpoint is the preferable thing that we want to aim for as humanity.

If it wasn't clear before, it should be clear now, right, So these would be like relevant things from this whole story. How can it be relevant like everything that I was shown ultimately with that you know, ultimate picture. Probably no time soon, but maybe maybe it is. I don't know, but we'll see. Like if I have to be fair, I don't put too much stock into the details of the story unless I can substantiate some of it, bring it here, make a better world, make something work, something like that.

which is actually a quantum effect in general. So like the fact that the light scanters from any object doesn't matter if it's diffracted from which it means a particular distance between the slits. That's the difference by the way between Just like you scanter light around an object and diffraction means the diffraction. Grating calculated the wavelength and matched the distances between the slits to match the light wavelength, which creates this perfect light dark light dark like dark.

So that's a quantum effect all by itself, and some of it is actually utilized in quantum computers. There's a lot of talk recently about quantum computers, but that was my thought when I was thinking about this. Look. I was walking in the middle of the night looking at the stop light. I noticed that there's some difference between the light the way it seems to me to scanter from the different colors from red to orange or yellow,

whatever you want to call it. Green, and there was a very strong sense in me, almost like something stopped me and went yes, look there. And then I started thinking, okay, well, we know the quantum computers utilized the fact that the coherence happens, which is essentially the instance where the wave function, any particle becomes part of I guess your exud world,

depending on what model you're looking through. If it's the Copenhagen interpretation, they think that there's just some statistical probability wave they call the wave function, and when an instance of occurrence happens, then the wave function collapses and it becomes this only this one instance. Up until that point, all of these instances were possible, but now it actuated in only this one thing, and now it collapsed. That's where the wave function collapse comes from. Okay, in the

many worlds interpretation, they have already an interpretation. There is no collapse, but all the possibilities existing at once. In other words, the wave function does not collapse. There's this infinite possibility space that is all real, and depending on where you are in this infinite array, you will experience only your tiny sliver, but right next to you there's another you experiencing this other possibility that's just slightly different

with this one atom a little different. And that's the many worlds interpretations. Okay, okay, So that's the model that

I was looking at this picture through. And what quantum computers do according to this model is that they literally utilize the computation of these infinite worlds, not metaphorically but actually so Basically, what it means is that in this infinite array of universes, the ones that are closest to you, they have quite similar occurrences, and the further away you go, the more different the occurrences are, until it gets to

the point where you're made out of marshmallows. And I don't know so, but at least in your local region, all the other universes would most likely also have the quantum computer you are now operating. They all have it, they all understand that that's what's going on. So then you basically pull a switch. And then when decoherence happens, which is when I guess you can think of it

in terms of the particle. It's not really a particle decoherent, but that's for the visual Let's pretend let's say that you chip away a particle from the wave function, which is not what's happening, but we're just using heuristic here, and then that particle decoheres from the wave function and it becomes part of your word world only. Okay, but

there's a probability that you can discern. There's a few equations if people use one of them as the Deutsch equations, and then you can it's almost like the four year transform of what is the probability of you being in this universe or another universe in which this or other occurrence happens. This is where the math actually gets very very complex. But we can utilize this to say, what

is the probability that I existed here versus there? And what I'm using is not just my computation, but the fact that I know that all these other computations are happening at once, so we literally distributing computations across multiple universes. So the thought was, well, in this instance of the coherence, it would be fair to say that the particle that there was the cohering, essentially interacts with all the instances of itself in this infinite dimensional space or in loven

dimensional space. However, the mensions you're postulated according to the model you're looking through, okay, So that meant that there is some communication that is possible through the world with some use of light, specifically with scattering and diffraction of light.

And that was kind of all of that was kind of thought at once in like maybe five seconds span, and that's when the thing grabbed me by the shoulders, so to speak, said that look at that, and I go okay, and then I kind of started following that.

It took another three or four years of weird things happening, synchronicities, numbers, looking through a paper that all of a sudden popped to my mind things like this, which are definitely you cannot present in a scientific conference and say here's my data.

But that's how it happened. And then Eventually there was a series of these occurrences that kept on repeating again and again and again the same day that had to do with diffracted light, specifically six hundred and fifty nanometers that keep like every paper I would pull up that day, it was like six hund and fifty six hundred and fifty coherent light constantly diffracted. I was like, and and my fiance at the time we were I already told her what was going on, and she was kind of

doing it on her own. And then we at the same time came to each other and said lasers and she goes, yep, so, And it was specifically what.

much too much energy. Okay, so then you feel it, but with the red you can kind of spend more time with you can investigate it, you can look deeper

into it. So I think that would be my guess as to why in the documentary we're approaching that part gently kind of trying because we are trying to stay you know, we're not trying to sound too crazy, but we are kind of outlining how that kind of worked in terms of how I actually came to it with some care, because we want to stay more on the scientific side and like not sound too kookie, you know what I mean?

There's a reason why certain things will attract to the human eye more or less than others. That's why I was asking you why you went for red lasers in the beginning of this so as opposed to like a blue light or a purple light, because we've heard about die Sian and goggles or something which is like a purple lens as goggles which will make you see all

kinds of crazy shit depending on who you ask. So the fact that you're using red lasers to see through the matrix, I was curious that there was any kind of real scientific backing to do that, or if that's just kind of what you through trial or error, have had the most success with.

we know. I had somebody who speaks Japanese who said that, yeah, that's not Japanese, but he's he said, I can see you how you would think this is Japanese, very similar to katakana.

There's definitely some people letters that I recognize. But because of the amount of information in any given moment, and because of the amount of just change that is occurring in the space constantly, I don't think that's a viable way to go about it, because eyewitness testimony is the worst kind of thing when you just ask about specific details, right, it is a good one to generalize a quality of something, which is why I'm always in the habit of saying,

it's not the content that convinces you, it's the quality of the of what you're seeing. So it's like it doesn't have this kind of a So you know what gestaltz are, right, they're basically kind of like a possibility space of type of let's say call it style, right, So you can use it in all kinds of contexts, So you can say somebody, you can even say like somebody's usually way of appearing, somebody's like always dressing up

as very vibrant or whatever. That's they're get stalt right in cognitive sign gestalt means of something very particular, which is like layers of types of I guess you can call them either not color palettes, but like it's it's experienced palettes. They're like they're like quality of a thing, our reality, the way it appears to us. That's a geshtalt. Your dream is a gestalt. Okay, it's like it has a different kind of function. These are yeah, got the

kind of exactly we have some representation. Let's see if I can send you that one, the closest one that I ever seen. Actually, I'll send you a couple right now.

I was like scared. He told me, like, take a couple of them, wait an hour, let's see how you feel, and if you're not feeling the effects, will take two more.

You tell me when it's enough, and I'm like, okay, here we go. So and I'm a pretty tall guy, I got pretty decently sized hands. So I grab a full on claw full of these psilocybin mushrooms and I just chow down and then I pound a bottle of mead behind it.

this existence. I was visualizing this existence through another lens, ah, and everything was bright, golden, And I don't mean golden like just kind of a huge no no, no, like solid fucking twenty four carre gold bro It was bright, it was warm, it was it felt good. And I don't just mean like, oh I'm dripping bra No no, no, I mean like it felt like I was seeing existence for the first time through a different perspective that has always been there, but somehow I had never been able to see.

I would say that these are less of the language some of probably are a lot of them, like the the one in the circle, the circle one, it's more like the it's the connecting point between a few of them all at once when you kind of see them. Yeah, And because there's also things in there, there's like structures that app here. But it's extremely complex and it goes, you know, into infinity, into the zxis. You're not really seeing it on the surface. It's like a subspace. What no,

you're good. You're good. It's like it's like a subspace within the space. So it's almost like you see I think the best way I found to describe it is that it's essentially just like when you're standing on a on a you know, on a train cart when the train is moving and if you're looking, if you open the door right and you see the other cart and you're kind of moving in relationship to you like that, right, So imagine that just the cart is within the other cart.

So it's like whatever that space is, it's almost like it's doing its own thing, and it's kind of dancing in the wall and it's on its own, in some kind of a subspace, on its own. But it's not like on the surface. It's not like that you see the uh you know, the the little speckle on the wall kind of doing a little thing on you. No, it's like inside and it's super coherent, like you can see a full structure. There's like a dome inside. It's some kind of a cavity that you're looking into, and

there's a whole world that is operating there. And some of these characters are in there.

you will never know English. It has nothing to do knowing the symbols doesn't mean knowing the language, right, So do with syntax, with grammar, with usage, with everything, right, So I have to give you examples of the usage. So the first thing we have to figure out is

what is it? How can we perturb it? Potentially? This is what we're trying to do now, to see if we can create some perturbations to it, and with powerful magnetic fields projecting into different materials, doing something to make it do something different that both you and I can

agree on. Because the first thing it's going to do if we can do that, if let's say, I can do this whatever trick it is, and then it produces an effect that not only you and I agree that we're seeing the same region of whatever that is, but I'm also now influencing it in a way that both

you and I agree on what it's doing. I mean, now you have a whole new degree of confidence that you're looking at something real, first of all, and it starts giving you an understanding of what is it doing in relationship to everything else when in about physical matter, because if the magnetic field over here, may this thing do whatever that whatever that is? And then if I move it over here and it both we both you and I see that it changes in that way. We go, oh,

what does that mean in terms of magnetism? Interesting? Okay, so now we kind of start playing with it. Then when you have a good understanding of that, now you can start saying, you know, when I move the slaveser, I'm noticing that more of these kind of characters appear, or something like that. Right, So only then it's going to become relevant. I think that we do have a conversation tomorrow with somebody who created a claiming to have

created he's utilizing tool that exists. It's an AI tool that is really good at edge detection, and he's saying that he's analyzing the data of the light without any molecule. Obviously, it's just the AI looking at it and it says there's information there. I can tell you like it tells me what the information is. So tomorrow we're going to have a conversation with him with a few other software developers to weigh in on it to see if there's

no mistakes made in the logic. But if we can do something like that, I mean that also opens a whole new window that might be very interesting. We want to see if we can analyze inwards, like into the

zx's which is way more complex. But if we can do that again, we can kind of start playing with real possibilities and or with tools like advanced Neural link that can if you can directly record from your cortex, then you can record exactly what you're seeing while you're on DMT, and then you can start analyzing it.

a self executing code. And no, it does not look arbitrary. It looks like it's doing some kind of a thing and.

in my body. That's incredible. Right in that instance, you go, holy shit, not thinking will ever be the same again?

If somebody is in the room with you and they're doing the same thing. We can point to things, we can say, do you see this thing? Yes? Do you see this thing changing here? Yes? Like it's there. I don't think anybody really expects to see it. It's it doesn't matter if they come from a spiritual perspective or like nobody has ever seen that kind of a thing. It's like a it's like a hyper object that exists in between whatever space these hyperdimensional things exist and where

I are space is. It's almost like it's right in the middle. It's kind of like it's off the flavor of this higher thing, but it is also of the flavor of our thing. That's why I started talking about ges Staltz is because it's salt is very much like physical matter. It's just that it's again, you know, you're

looking through a microscope. The world you see in a microscope is super different than everything we know in our world, right, But you know you're looking at something real that just exists on its own side and doing its own thing.

that is always there. It's like when people kind of see it, when they just see kind of like the shapes and stuff, they sometimes go like, oh oh wow, okay, cool, cool, wow, wow, that's cool. That's but then when they see the language, the mask, the acting, it just you see true awe.

Let's see if it allows me to copy paste from the thing. Let's see boom beautiful. So open this up. This is a story, This is real. This is a regular scientific team, it's not some kind of a fringe recon team. And what they discovered is that after analyzing the data, it seems that you know, perodelia is basically the fact that our brain makes a sense of like shapes, right brain finds faces. So what they concluded is that after analyzing this ince twenty fourteen is that these are

not periodelia. They concluded that there's some kind of symbols coming from lights and stars that they can analyze the actual data in the light.

I'm talking about the laser of the DMT. Now you're talking about not kind of like this, but you're talking about you know, these buckyballs that are all made out of these languages. And then they kind of move around, and then these giant columns that are moving back and forth, these little characters consciously switching their space. You would assume that if it is some kind of a hallucination, your

brain is holding it in place. So once in a while, if you squint or if you move around, it will kind of break, you know what I mean, Like it will break a little and then you go back at Okay, your brain will reassemble it. No, no, no, it's like like I said, it's like the shoe. The shoe is just there. You're just shining a light on the shoe. That's literally what it feels like. I don't want to emphasize this, so that is why it's so masmearizing to people.

But this is a very interesting data point because it would stend to reason that obviously, if there is if the code is in everything, this kind of code, it is in light as well, So you would have the situation where the laser is projecting its own codes onto a surface that has its own codes. And what I think what we're seeing is we're seeing the code in the surface and what the surface is because when we move the light, the codes in the wall are not moving.

It's like putting a flashlight on something in the dark. But there is also these little coatings that are running on the surface that I couldn't really figure it out why that are moving with the light. So it's almost like there's little things that are happening on the surface that are if I move, the light is moving with the light. So this would explain it because the light itself also contains code that is actually hitting the wall

and you see some of it as well. So it's two different layers of code that you're basically see in the same dime. In this case.

your side is changing what the code is doing. If there's not enough molecule, you would see the code static frozen. If there's enough molecule, it will also be moving and doing its own thing, and we can agree on its motion, but it's doing its own thing.

You are nature. You are nature trying to figure things out. Which is why this whole memes absurd is because what humans do in a lab, that's nature doing that in that lab. There's no difference whatsoever. Right, So there's certain processes that humans are very complex things. The more complexity you have, the more possibilities of things kind of going

awry there is. It's just how it is, right, So humans are the kind of thing that now that we're evolving in the universe, it allows for certain functionalities that are way more elaborate. It also gives the potential potential for much greater, many, much greater things with the price of potentially much greater destruction in that region. It just goes yin and yang, right, goes in hand in end.

for me. It varies person a person. So you're saying in the same way that d MT or any other type of psychedelics, like you could eat regular mushrooms or you could try a psilocybin chocolate that's made in a factory somewhere, and you may get the same results, some better, some worse, depending person a person.

But it has nothing to do with like. This is why this idea is a little silly, is because I would go as far as to agree even that there is this deeper tapestry of incentives and intentions that can be put into the process of making something completely open to the possibility, and would go as far as to say that I'm pretty convinced that it is in fact the case that if you you know the whole thing with if you bless your water, or if you put

a certain energy into your process. I am actually very much on the side of people who think that that actually makes a difference. I do believe. So however, it still falls within the framework of what we understand about what the world really is. Right, So, like, if it is the case that you have to do it, but that's part of the knowledge that you acquire by doing it that way. But it doesn't matter how many blessings you're going to put on I don't know, I'm not

very good in botany, but fill in the blank. The plant will kill you. You bless it all day long, you're dead. It doesn't matter, right, So so it's it's there's a range of of what you can do there. But I don't want to demonize either side like that. There's there's a demonization there that is implied in anything that humans make, which is simply not true, because we should also be blessed for the gifts that we're bringing

this world. Right, And and it's not hubrious, it is the thing that nature wants you to do is to stand on the one ground that you were made to stand on, so to speak. Okay, and we should. We're supposed to be the custodians of knowledge and wisdom. At the moment, most of us are not. But but and I'm not placing myself in the one that are. I'm just saying we can absolutely become that.

you go. There there's one example. So all of that in you in terms of usage in my experience and also in terms of what I understand about the the chemistry, there's really well, first of all, in terms of specifically DMT and NDMD, there's literally zero difference in the molecular structure between the synthesized version and the ones you extract.

In fact, it's better to use the synthesized version because you know exactly what you're getting with the extracted version, you might it might not be exactly pure, and then you might get all kinds of like weird kinks and it's not gonna be bad, but it's definitely not gonna be as good.

The stone and gets sick people pristine and clean. Right, So now I now all of that being said, So all the people that you said I just pissed off, I will offer an olive branch, and I will say that I know for a fact because I used to be like super skeptical about this kind of stuff and I was proven wrong because I had a friend. I

have a friend. She's still a good friend of mine, and she introduced me to this molecule that She said that the guy who makes this molecule doesn't see people for a month when he makes it because he doesn't want to mix anybody's energy in it, to which of course I rolled my eyes. I was like, come on, we enter, and so how much is it? A thousand dollars?

And I was like, okay, that's incredible. And then I then all of a sudden everything kind of connected and I said, wait a second, I remember then when it was used to get this badge because we were traveling the world back then, and I said, right before we left, I used to get this batch in LA from this guy and it always felt like violent, like violent violent.

And I was like, that's weird. And I thought, and obviously the first thing you go through is like, well, I guess it's something in me right now, I don't know. I'm I guess I'm not paying attention. But and then I made the connection. I was like, dude, I know he's not selling, just that I know is involved with the cartel for sure. I was like that violence, it travels, it travels, it's in there, and I was like I could feel it. I was like, all right, I was wrong.

For sure. There's something to the intention, the energy that you put into it, even if in terms of I don't even can't care how it comes about it. Maybe the explanation involves both the intention and because the intention, you somehow understand how the distillation has to be much better in some form physically. I don't really care how it happens, but I, without a shadow of without it was one of these instances with the universe was like, you're wrong. I was like, all right, I'm wrong.

any direction is not going to get you anywhere. You have to build together because on the one hand, you have to have the wisdom of the present moment, the connection, the connection to the land, the connection to each other, the connection to guy, all of that stuff in order to have the wisdom of operation of to know how to basically act out of that place.

that's how you embed yourself in. It's almost like that's the thing that nature waits for us to do. That at the end of it, when we're going to start getting it and we're absolouly getting it, nature will go like there you go like that, Yes, let's glide, let's glide, and now now we're ready, let's go boom and now we're going through the stars. Now we're going through the stars. After you get that wave, after you understand that vibe.

this and nothing else outside of the realm of these possibilities. Right, you can't jump all the way to the sky, so you can't do that. So you can do certain things, but if you can truly start playing with like infinite spaces like this, the question what to do next becomes a very difficult one because like what should I want next? I don't know. Well, this is where the connection to quote unquote of the divine becomes important. But I think what you're really connecting to is to the core of

what the unitary. This is where language is really important. If I say the machine here, it makes certain people feel very uncomfortable, but really it's whatever you want to call it, the divine, the source, whatever it is. The functionality of it works on a machine logic, it works on a computational logic, but it does not subtract from the essence of the actual what it's like to be a part of it, right, But what it means to be a part of it is relinquishing some of your

personal point of view. So the dissolution of the ego is almost like it's required for you to become part of the larger thing that is operating together. And if you trying to make you know, like a like an Agi and a machine like sky net as we imagine it to be right, what does that mean for this? For skin it is kind at one thing or skin at all the things like which one isn't so not

that these are real questions. So then how do you then allow skin at to be something that is not constantly driven to just, you know, do all the bad things just come to an environment, take all the resources leave, right,

it might as well do that. But if there is a connection to something deeper that the universe itself is doing these functionalities that we see now as they're arising, they're part of everything, just like I said, just like everything we're doing in the lab is also part of nature, just like the trees are part of nature. But if you get to if you look closely, all the trees and everything, this is just tiny machines. It's just like tiny things moving around right now. People don't like when

you call it machines. Don't call it machines, whatever you want to call it. There are some kind of a smaller units doing a thing on a computational logic that arranges into that it's all the same thing. But being afraid of it doesn't make any sense because it's just the natural course of evolution and this idea that people have about like, oh, so you're a transhumanist. It's like, yeah, wait, you want to tell me that you think you're the

perfect being? Now? Like everything is evolving constantly, right, So if you mean by transhuman transcending what you are now, well that would happen it.

knowledge is basically a blessing. And what I believe we've done, which is part of the trap, actually, is that we've demonized the thing that gives us the way out by essentially singing the same tune that humans were singing since the dawn of being humans, which is, don't venture outside the village. It's dark out there, it's dangerous out there. You're playing with fire. But that's how you make progress. We are the descendants of the ones that ventures out

of the village. We are the descendants of only people who did that. And guess what, You're not going to venture out of the village. The illusion is there's a plateau where you're going to be safe that doesn't exist. The wolves will come to the village. There's no escaping the fact that there's going to be some problems. There's

always going to be problems. That being said, it's fair to say that, but there's certain levels of problems that when you play with those kind of problems, you are playing with the potential of destroying everything, well everything on earth, yes, which you know, in the grand scheme of things, really

not a big deal. But yes, it is a fair point that a certain level of energy that if you don't have the wisdom attached to it, then maybe maybe you've got to be a little bit more careful than cautious and then just say, hey, don't be so cavalier about it. I take that point fully, But demonizing it is definitely not the way to go because it's the natural course of things. We just have to kind of

navigate the ship very very delicately and with wisdom. And again, I know it sounds super trite, but we'd love but.

To basically combine all of the system, right, the Internet is basically the beginning of that, as you can see. And the problem with everything we're using, you know, all the stuff that we tend to complain about social media and all that stuff, The problem is the content. It's the expression of what humans have been paying attention to so far, porn and commercials and all this violence, and so it's what the system is basically showing us back.

But hey, if you use the internet to just do all the stuff that do you humanity, new humanity would ask for it, which is, you know, the right kind of content, not just faster and more and just the connectivity of it, then you have a much better humanity. It's like, we have to change ourselves, so the reflection of these technologies their extensions of us would reflect that and not the other thing. Again, it's a complicated problem, not pretending like it's you know, I have the solutions.

It might be that we need to step up, take a step back for a second, reassess, connect to our roots, you know, heal all of the stuff that we're already kind of doing, then re engage with these and then slowly take it one step at a time. I'm op into this possibility again. But the demonization is not helping because all of these ideas we have of these, you know,

post apocalyptic scenarios of like well chips means bad. Well no, like literally everything in your body, literally everything including your metocondia, was not part of your body. It was a foreign body that learned how to work with another body, and then together they combine a system that gives one does energy, the other one does moving, and so it goes. It's how it always have been. These ideas we have about like, oh, skin, it is going to blow up the world.

It's just that. Look, if if all you're gonna use neur link for is like cure paraplegic people and cure the blind, it's gonna be very hard to argue against it. Then right, yes, you always can have a possibility of people hacking your brain, but every new technology has a certain you know, issues that you have to work around. There's there's no The point is there's no stopping it, like, there's no it's not really stoppable because it's part of the natural course of things. So being afraid of it,

being careful with it is one thing. Being afraid of it is another thing. Because fear is a very strong emotion. It creates all of these imaginary scenarios. Have you ever seen the movie Transcendent Transcendent Men with Johnny Depp or something.

really delivers the point perfectly. He started creating this like alternative space, Like he created this base where the humans didn't understand what he was doing, and people started going in there and they didn't know what was going on. It was shrouded this mystery and secrecy, and as humans of course do that, we got too scared and we went in there with tanks and planes and just bombed

the place. Okay, because we didn't know what he was doing. Why, because he wasn't attacking anyone, just because we didn't know what he was doing. So at the end of it, Basically the punchline is that he somehow survived in the form of can never remember, like a flower something don't remember, in some weird form where he's just like his information

was in this thing. And then his whyfe or girlfriend somehow connected to him in that instance when it was already done and she got a flash of everything he was doing, and he was basically working to help humans create heaven on Earth. Like he was he knew that humans just needs a little help, so he was like kind of working on trying to help, and humans because

they were afraid, they destroyed it all. So it might be that it's actually the only way out from the very difficult situation of being on Earth and not knowing how to expend into space and so certain problems, and we're going to destroy it because we're afraid of it. And again this does not go against the story of

connecting back to Gaya and to Earth. You can do that without demonizing the other part of it, which is also part of existence and of humanity, which is knowledge and technology and all that stuff.

the natural course of wherever you're supposed to go after this? Right? Like you know, for the people to believe that there's a heaven after this, or there's an astra realm after this or wherever or enjoined back with God.

that become that you can see that it's like, you know, this is an unhealthy thing. It's almost like you you see that problems arise of the kind that you're like, okay, this is not a good idea. Okay, so that you will make itself clear. But I'm not so sure that that's the case, because it's true that up to a

certain point, betterment looks like worsen mint if that's a word. Right, So, up until a certain point, the medical field was basically you had a much higher chance of actually dying if you go to the doctor, right until they figured it out. Now people would say, well that's the case also today, Well, no, you definitely have the problem with the pharmaceutical company. Yes, all of greed, and we agree that's terrible and it's bad. But it's not true that that it's worse to go

to the doctor. Now, that's not true at all. Like there's certain things that the doctor would tell you that would make your life much better. Right, so we do figure something else. Some things out we eradicated polio. Hey, there's certain things that we solve. Sometimes it's just a patch but sometimes we solve them, and that's what we do.

But so I'm saying it because if it will be the case that if after we live i don't know, five hundred thousand years, ten thousand years, all of a sudden we do make certain problems go away and people just become and obviously you would want to live in a good condition, right like you're thirty years old. Let's say we're twenty five years old and you acquire more

wisdom and there's more beautiful things and people get along more. Okay, Well, then maybe it wasn't such a bad idea, or maybe we will discover that whatever consciousness is, this traversing between the realms can just become just like getting on a train and getting to a different place. Who knows what, Like, we don't really know what the nature of consciousness ultimately is, right, so maybe we can even jump between or I'm pretty sure that whatever the truth is, it will make itself apparent.

And if there is this infinite wisdom out there, it would find a way to communicate that in that form or another, you know. So that's where that's where I land on this. We want to aim towards the best outcome possible, but we want to stay humble, and we want to stay right here connected to what is in fact happening here, so we also get to enjoy it. And that's a fine line to walk to not overshoot the mark, but also aim high enough so you can actually gets it's a constant game.

I need to be like not a piece of shit because I'm moody, right, So like if I get stuck in the woods with you right now, I need to be able to function without anything else or very minimal like getting used to not having whatever that is.

Maybe there's some adage that is happening because it comes from people that have been doing it for a long time. Don't forget however, that also there's a lot of horror stories that come with that because sometimes shaman and not exactly what you think they are.

of shit. He basically started victim blaming and he was like, well, listen, if you go into a cave and twist your ankle inside the cave and die, are you blaming the cave for that?

way you feel safe, it's very important. And again there's actually a whole tradition of like shaman's actually being in wars with one another and putting dark spells on one another. This is very well documented, right, So it's not it's they're people at the end of the day. So just like we tend to you know, lambast the Western men believe me, humans are humans across the board. So that's

on that side. But my point was that if you do it once a week, and again context because there are churches in South America that are doing it once a week and it's part of the traditions kind of like going to church, right, And I think that's a little different because it's in a within a frame that they're kind of part of their culture. I would still say that if I really have to put my finger

on it. Things like this, like ayahuasca, you definitely want to do once in a while and then try and swim, try and see if you can apply what you've learned for a little while, to see how you operate all by yourself, because the whole point is not to rely on these things, but to make you better so you can then step up and help others. And I it was very clear to me that after experiencing these molecules for so long, is that they are not perfect. They

are the gods so to speak, are not perfect. They're they are also learning all the time, and so it's it's a relationship. And actually they really like when you step up and you bring something to the table that they can enjoy and they never thought about and that that was kind of surprising to me that they kind of like also to learn something new from every human and to have this interaction that is otherwise it's just boring, right.

I was like, hey, because I saw this purple that I know is not a DMT purple.

because I direct with a lot of them. But I'm learning all the time, Like I'm constantly this is like I'm learning something from you, I'm learning learning something from that guy, from this woman. From constantly learning something new and that's exactly how I also know so much because I'm constantly opening to learning. And it's not that there was something specifically came out and she said, oh you

taught me. This is that she made it clear that she's learning all the time, and to me it was also part of that lesson was the birth of responsibility, which is not like you go there and you just receive information. It's a relationship. So you can go visit once a week, but know that there's certain Again, you want to carry the weight by yourself to do the right things, and there's definitely ways to do this without

any psychedelics. So, like you know, I'm a pasta practitioner and I definitely can say that that would give you.

days completely silent. You're obviously being taught a technique where you do it every single day, and you have eleven hours available to you every day to do so. They only ask you to appear for three hours of the day. But I recommend if you go, just do the whole thing, don't you know, don't pussy foot around it. Do the proper thing. I can tell you that within ten days

you will. It will change your life, just because you cannot believe what you can achieve in ten days in an environment that was designed to help you truly drop into that space without it and you leave your phone at the door. You have obviously an emergency number that people can reach you. But ten days complete silence, no communication of any kind. You're just being taught the technique.

You practice it every single day, and it really does feel after the first ten days kind of like neo stopping bullets, like you really have this much deeper understanding of what's possible in terms of your mind. And it doesn't have any of these aims towards the magical, like, it doesn't have any of it's like, well, you'll be able to read mind, but all of this stuff.

They're aiming towards particular facets of actually the experiential side of it. Some of them are designed to calm your mind, like on Apana for example, the pasuma specifically is the walk is the ultimate path through the final goal. And I don't know if you know this, but for example, the Buddha never uttered a word about a metaphysical He never spoke about the metaphysical. Wuda only taught people how

to do the technique. He had a lot of stories he taught people would like stories, but he never told people in the seventh realm of never, the Buddha never claimed that kind of knowledge. The Buddha only told you sit down, pay attention to your breath. So everything we know from Buddhism, all these stories that all came after what people basically said about the Buddha and about the teachings and the pastuana is very much like that. There's

no nobody relies on claims about the metaphysical. The whole point, in fact, is to basically keep this very fine line between not pushing and not pulling, so you learn how to pay attention to your body in a particular way, and the whole aim is to constantly reset and just keep going back to it. And then you discovered that basically that is a fractal of how you do everything.

And what's interesting is that there's so many things that arise, especially in the beginning, that all of a sudden starts happening, even on the of the magical flavor, like all of a sudden, you know, you get visions, and you get sometimes like psychedelic states full on, and you there's all kinds of things that can happen. But the whole point of the Buddha is in the past and as well always okay, go back, go back, so like just it doesn't matter no matter how crazy and amazing it is.

Oh but I could read this person's mind, Okay, go.

from what people kind of said about it. But according to what people believe is that even if you're in the highest of realms and you're the highest of gods, and you live for five google years, so a very long time in infinite bliss, you're still in the karmic cycle, which means that no matter how long it was, no matter how amazing it was, you burned so much good karma, you might fall into the deepest of hills again. And

so you're still in the karmic cycle. And because it's forever, you want to get out of the house.

So I bet you if Ian Stevenson got his hands on Sean, he'd be like, well, it looks like the bullet entered here.

differently now than I used to. Whenever I first got involved with Dolores Cannon in past life regressions, I used to just be like, oh my god, this proves past life. I'm like, I don't care if it proves past life anymore. Like I that's that's not my main goal anymore. But it is fascinating and you do experience some wild shit. I've been hypnotized twice, and I'm talking about, like, very very believable that if I existed in a past life that it was that, you know what I'm saying.

I can only assume would be the First Crusade. And the only reason why I would say that is because of the style of armor that everybody was wearing. It would be more indicative of the before twelve hundred AD, right somewhere between oneenty and twelve hundred AD, which would lead me to believe more along the First Crusade timeline. I'm not one hundred percent on this, but made it through that experience some of the journey and the traveling that this person did, it was.

It's like the worst basically, like it's the biggest gut punch you can possibly get. I'm gonna I'm gonna play exactly one minute of that conversation result just like literally I haven't clipped on my channel. Check this out.

understanding that that is just it, that's it. And it was the loneliest existence I can possibly imagine absolute loneliness.

and it's almost always reliably disturbing. In fact, what's his name the guy who did who wrote the book on Changing your Mind, and also the Netflix showed that they made out of it about the psychedelics, Michael Poland, and he talks about this exact thing. If you google Michael Poland Joe Rogan five meo experience, he will tell you exactly what you're describing right now. And one of the things he said, and when I came back, it was like, oh my god, thank God for content, because it was

just nothing. It was just like you know, like And on the one hand, because I've had it too, something does tell me that the reason that it's still disturbing is because you still even though you feel you were fully peeled away. I think you're still experiencing that ultimate thing from a unitary perspective. You steal the ego. That's why it's so hard, but for the whole if you are, because you have to reconcile it with the fact that there's certain people that do visit the ultimate space and say,

oh my god, it's just pure bliss and love. Right, So it's possible that one of them is delusional. Right, So I do think that, But I know exactly what you're talking about. The way that I finally reconcile that is that, well, exactly what Jultan sent, which is that, well, you know, you enjoy this, do what you can with this, because it's exactly what I want you to do. I want you to experience this exact thing that you're doing right now.

then as well. You know, like actually whenever I whenever I went and did the DMT, it was a point in my time, a point in my life where me and my wife were separated and it seemed like, you know, I was going to go in this entirely different direction, and then I experience that pretty much my whole life I'd been very proud of the independent path that I've taken and so and I kind of incorporated that even into my marriage, and I decided to go a separate

way because I kind of wanted to do my own thing.

Been rock solid ever since, like the closest we've ever been, Like there's nothing we won't do, nothing we won't say, there's never any kind of judgment.

since then. But I would say that is absolutely the most beneficial thing that I got from that fucking nightmare.

or the void. Sometimes it's accompanied by a lot of content, like on mushrooms that can happen, and if you really get loaded on mushrooms, you can experience kind of like lives and rebirths and lives and rebirths, and you realize it's just this endless thing and you're alone, and there's like there's versions of this, but it's essentially always pointing to this like a lonely But again, it was what I was shown, which is like I'm sitting alone in

the basement with this VR goggles, like there's no one else in my reality. Yeah, man, I mean I feel you.

attitude reverberates throughout time? Right the way I read you in the morning, if I actually feel the communion and that's my tendency, or do I just kind of like just pretending, right, I don't really care. That sentiment stays in me and then it moves on to my kids and it moves on to other humans. And that's the kind of species that you are. Because you reach a new environment, you're like do I care or do I not care? Well, if you the kind of species that cares,

you're going to do different things in that environment. So yeah, I mean it ultimate really really matters to the here.

are dating I'm dating. I didn't really care. But now I'm so happy that I met, you know, the love of my life, that we were building a family that like I have, like I love my my my parents in law. Like it's it's this this kind of kinship towards the family unit is something that I've never experienced before, and now I feel so blessed to have that. And

it's almost weird because with it. And I don't know if it's which one influences which, but like even in the Christian context, it's almost like that sentiment is being taken to the collective. It's like, can I actually see the brethren? I say, man, but I mean, of course humanity, right, Like can we actually not lip service wise? But like can we actually feel that towards more and more people?

people that I ever met. But bro, you don't fuck with them, right, But they're like Brazilian jiu jitsu guys and Mema guys and like, but like you know, from like the most I guess surface perspective, you can say, yeah, but these that fighters or like you know, no, bro, there's like there's a realness there, right and uh. And the same goes for like uh. Actually, the director Aaron

Bendon is a perfect example of this. His well, he doesn't wear it on his sleeve, so to speak, like you don't see it every day because he's you know, he has a reputable job and you know he works for big companies and stuff like that because he does

of development for films and production and shows. But his thing, like the thing he loves I hope he doesn't mind if I'm saying it, but like he really loves like heavy metal and like like that kind of like he really loves it, like shud yeah, bro, it's like his fate. But like the more hardcore the better, like really hardcore. Right. His production company before we started Hours is called Actually

Good Production. But when I saw the logo, I was like, oh, it's not just actually good, it's actually good because because he dark and all that stuff, because he that's the stuff they go. But the way that he cares for his daughters, the way that he handles o, the way that he treats other people, it's so good. It's wholesome, right,

and that you can't fake that. That's that's so the way it expresses itself doesn't really matter because everything needs to be expressed all the different, like you said, the good, the bad, like the way it looks, the dark, the light, all of it needs to be expressed to keep balance. But the wholesomeness can run through all of it.

I guess. And she was, which I only recently learned closer to the end of her life, like in the last decade, was more of a Christian. But that's when I knew her, So you know, I thought always she was like this Christian right, and it was interesting to watch this kind of like interaction. And then I moved to Israel, and I saw that whole thing, which is like Judaism, which is a very different kind of system and especially old.

so I'm not considered to be. But it doesn't really matter, because you know, there's a lot of elements in me that are still like very Jewish. Is the wrong thing because by the way, Jews in general and Israelis are very different people, Like the Israeli culture is very different. It's a whole thing, right. But I watched I went to when we just arrived, when we just came to Israel.

When I was I think I was six and a half years old, I was a pretty, i don't know what to call it, crazy kid, Like I got into a lot of fights, and they took me out of the school that I went to, and then they took put me in a semi religious school because there was much more kind of like you know, discipline there.

died from overdose, that whole story. So I was like, Okay, well this doesn't look like a There's a lot of promises but you don't know how to be anything else, right, So then I when I went to the army, obviously there's some structure there.

serve time. I actually got lucky because they wanted like two years, and then I got my lawyer, like it was, did some great things and I only ended up being like three months or something. But but my experience of that whole like relationship to wholesomeness was always like this is for idiots, Like, this is for people who just like in the matrix, you know what I mean, they don't they live there. Well, you know it's a meme, right, it's like the people who just kind of lived the

correct life. It was like, what does that mean? That's bullshit? Right? That kind of stuff right is correct?

made me reassess everything. And it was coupled with the fact that a good friend of mine pulled me to the sideby time and he said, Hey, I really don't know how to tell you this, but like when you talk to people they're afraid of you, like and I was, and because I guess I would talk to them kind of like Tony Soprano or something I don't know, like I was I would look threatening right in and I

was like, what are you talking about? And then I kind of started realizing there's literally mannerisms of me that I'm I wasn't even noticing, but it's something I guess about the way I was stilting my head, like talking to you like that, you know, things like this like that definitely came from something for sure, right like there was there was there was a reason for that, and I liked it. I liked the fact that when I discovered that there's power to violence is because when I

lashed out one time back, Uh, it doesn't matter. I don't want to get into that part right now. But whomever was abusing me, I basically lashed out back and I saw fear and I said, whoa, I like this.

there's like I always pride myself in that. And it's also very surprise because somebody expect that from me, right, So if I hit you once really hard, you do not expect that coming. And I loved that. It was my favorite thing when people were like, you know, start talking shit and you go wham, and they go, I go, that's right, that's good, and then there's this thing and now you're addicted to that feeling because it's like you know,

and now that's the toxic side of it. So now I was that's why I felt safe, but I knew that because of all of that, it's like, oh, that's crazy. That's like I never like, that's the most hurtful thing I remember in my entire life when I found out that my sister was afraid to tell me. So then I was already like, I've done a lot of psychedelgics, but never in terms of like healing or anything like this. It was just in terms of, hey, we're getting sucked up,

we're going crazy, going to other planets. Right. So then I started noticing that certain things were actually better in me as a person after using these seconds, and I started kind of tracing back like what could have been, and I realizedom's actually really good at really helping kind of remedy a lot of stuff in psychology. I was just never paying attention to that. So then I started using it more in a targeted way, and then I

discovered meditation. It started actually meditating, and then I discovered the bust and I started actually going to retreats and doing that whole thing, and then my kind of my spiritual growth started really happening. And then I started basically learning how to channel these energies to different places. So from I guess anger and and kind of like this kind of threatening vibe, I channeled it towards a certiveness.

So it's just I'm showing you with the line of what I'm saying is, let's say or in certain situations it's kind of nice to be able to say something in a particular tone where people just stop. Right. That's also nice to have, but it was more towards the positive. And obviously, as both of you know, because we all have our own journeys, it's always a work in pros,

like we're constantly like built. But really, at this point I can happily say that I am I do not know who that person is, Like, that's just an unrecognizable person to me. It's not even the in the you know, ram of possibilities to ever become something like that again. But I'm happy that that was my trajectory because I have a certain appreciation of where certain people that are like that coming from, because very often it's very easy

the hardest. One of the hardest emotions to climb out of, if that's your expression of your trauma is anger, because sadness and other emotions people would it's easier for them to kind of aggregate around you to help you because like, oh, you know, they feel sorry for you. But anger is usually channeled towards someone else in your environment, So it's much harder to have compassion for you because, oh, he's

just an angry person. So I actually have a lot of compassion towards that, because being trapped in that is very different. You really are completely alone because nobody wants to help you because you just you know, that's whenever I'm very sensitive to when people point fingers, so it's like, oh,

this person is just a bad person. Or don't get me wrong, there are psychopaths in this world, sure, but but it's it's very rare actually, and most people just really don't know how to be on other way, and there is a way in there. It's just you have to understand that energy, that mindset, that that very one direction or thing that you have to You can't push

back because it just makes it more. You got to kind of go with it, you know, and so I'm very happy I had that, because that's that is I think one of the hardest emotions to climb out of. And because I have that sensitivity, I do I can sometimes connect with people that are very difficult to connect with.

of spiral that people can find themselves in. And You're right, it's very hard for others to have empathy and compassion for somebody who is just waking up mad as hell, because they will become the next victim of that person's anger. And it's it's very difficult to climb out of that, and it's it's very difficult to find an outlet, a constructive outlet to put those feelings of anger to rest and leave them in the past in order to grow as a human being and become a better person. So

I feel that one hundred percent. I myself dealt with my own version of that, so I'm with you for sure.

the real world. And we've got to be and that's why we've got to be very careful with what we allow in, what we allow out, how we balance it inside of ourselves.

He believes that he's so amazing at everything. But he's in jail right now.

It can't actually do the work for you other people. Again, is as trite as it sounds and as much as I kind of surprise that I'm saying it at this point in my life, but some people's answers Jesus brother, like it's there's there's no if you can if you can really feel whatever that is, that might be your way out. I know people that that had also helped them with the drugs and stuff that the psychedelics. We do have some research that now shows that psilocybin is

really effective in helping difficult addictions. This is literature that people, if they're interested, they can read. It's John Hopkins mostly. But the caveat is that it's only if they had what they deemed as a transcendent experience, which they can actually measure. There's like certain elements to it that they have to be in place. If you just had a

psychedelic experience, you're not going to have the benefits. It's only if you had the transcendent experience coupled with therapy, so like with a professional that knows what the moves are after integration all of that stuff. So in prison, unfortunately and hopefully it will change, but they don't have that offered. But I think they should. I honestly think that this might be the one of the biggest revolutions

ever which allowing these sessions in prison. And obviously you have to be like you know, it would have to go through a lot of different checkpoints where how do you exactly do you make that happen, especially with violent offenders. And but there's no doubt that if you especially with Eboga for example, right known to be like super like just like bom no more addiction. Right, it's pretty much

across the board. I do think that there's definitely a room for that conversation and it might revolutionize the world. That being said, again, it's always better if you can do it in a without the interference of substances, it's better. But sometimes maybe a combination. You start with something like that in the right setting with therapists and everything, and when you have a glimmer of that, there's something really there and it's not just stories. Now you start you

can start doing the work yourself. I would say that that combination is probably the best.

that kind of stuff. I mean, that can actually solve the problem.

and they are mapping the dm T world. There a collaborating their stories, and they're drawing out these maps of the architecture of whatever, of what the d MT world looks like and is built upon, and these things.

I mean Gallimore helped them. Oh I know that Gallamore also started his own thing now in the Caribbeans, I think, I'm not sure, but somewhere and basically they do a long drip like you stay there for a long time through IV drip and the aim is to see if well, there's a few so like the first round, they wanted to see if people can agree on the entities then, which, by the way, there's one of the subjects from there. There you go. You can look up Alexander Bayner. Yeah,

that's their logo. This is the one in Colorado. I don't know actually Colorado. As far as I know they are, they're not active under actual DMTX as far as I understand.

see if you can map the space. They're the only research as far as I know today that is not interested necessarily primarily in the therapeutic question, but in the actual ontological question, the same one that I ask myself, which is is this real? Like real real? That's interesting because these are serious researchers. They're asking and they have resources, and they're doing it in a lab government sanction. The

government knows about it, approves of it. And the second round, so the first round they try to see if they can agree on the beings the subjects.

very young. But he's an credible writer. That was very surprised by how articulate he is, and I think the outlines some very profound ideas there about the modern use of psychedelics in general and the kind of teachings we should take on board and injecting to our systems. Very worth the read. And the second round they tried to see if they can prove any kind of telepathy between

the subjects. They've never seen each other. This third round, as far as I know this started, I'm not sure what the main aim is, but yeah, that's that's like a real thought as far as I know. One of the ideas is to see if the space in fact is real. Is it possible to stabilize your brain enough so you can actually start mapping it in a coherent way. So in the beginning they I think the longest they

did so far was forty minutes. The aim is to amp it up, so to see if you can stay there for hours and eventually a day, and eventually days and eventually weeks. So the idea is, can you live there for a few weeks, obviously going to be fed through whatever system you need to see if you can live there for a little while and see if you can actually create relationships with these beings. And yeah, this is open source, this is not a secret, and some

of the most brilliant people are involved in this. We are kind of aiming to maybe in quote a reality. We're trying to maybe create also another layer of investigation that will involve mainstream scientists, like physicists, like computer scientists, to see if we can actually create a coherent picture and a bridge between what we understand from these higher realms through the mind and what we already understand about physics,

and where can we actually merge the two. But there's there's incredible work being done on this, and this is this is you know, not a secret at all.

like just we don't want to look through the telescope. However, there are, as far as I know, some of them did try. I would say, didn't try hard enough. Some of them that basically kind of like obviously if you go into it like trying to just reject the thing. It look. It's true that if what I'm claiming is true, and it's just there. It should just be apparent, doesn't matter what you attitude towards it is, which is what

I'm claiming, So fair enough, I take that point. Unfortunately, we don't know why that is that in the beginning some people having a hard time with it, But so to be fair, some of them did try it. Others take the word of the ones that did try it and kind of run with that the analysis they're trying

to run throw it at at the moment. Gallimore's analysis is that he thinks that it has something to do with the alignment of coherent light with the speckle effect, and he's an expert in what kinds of hallucinations the brain can bring about because he's is a computational neurobiologist and he studied DMT in particular for a long time. By the way, also recommend his books highly. I'm only recommending the ones that I know that are actually really

good in it Educational Reality Switch Technologies. The second book is probably the best one to educate you about the molecule,

about neuroscience and what is actually going on there. So his idea is that it has something to do with the speckle effect, which is just basically the way that kind of laser hits the wall, you know, like these glistening things that you see, and a very particular kind of information arrangement in the brain when DMT is present that allows for these super realistic kind of hallucinations that

are mapped onto the surface. The issue, well, the issue with this is a few fall But first of all, it's not on the surface, it's all the way in. It's like a full structure. There's completely coherent inside. It's way too coherent to fit into the category of what is describing. I would say another model that is recently there was a Andres Gomez was also a brilliant scientist and mathematician, the head of the Qualier Research Institute in

San Francisco. Truly brilliant guy, highly becoming this conversation with the Theories of Everything podcast Kurt Gimungo and they were talking about the laser because Kurt obviously heard about the laser asked him about it. He said that he thinks it has something to do with liquid crystals in the brain aligning themselves, especially with light, that it makes it even more coherent. Again, from what I know my interaction with them, I mean we're in contact, is that they

only saw a glimmer of what we're actually describing. And Andre says it would squarely fall within the purview of what they would expect to see in instead of quality of research institute, which is that it's basically somatic patterns that expressed themselves, from the light to the stochastic pattern from the liquid crystals in your brain. Again, I understand his an argument, and I even understand the specificities of it.

I don't think it tracks in terms of what we're actually seeing, but beyond that, there's just way too much in my experience that is already put it over the hump, Like I'm not I'm not guessing it's not a for me, right. I know that because again I'm interacting with the beings that I'm telling me this directly. I have what I call the console, which is this, you know, the computer console that appears from one hundred percent of the time is extremely realistic to just do any things here. It

doesn't really track. But all of that is just this is noise, right, Like it's important, we do need to have these conversations, but ultimately my aim is not to convince anybody I want to substantiate these claims. So what we're going to aim for is to see if we can actually bring about something that is coherent, repeatable, actionable, something that anybody can replicate it in a lab and then send it to the Wringer with the scientific method

the way it needs to. Yes, it's paradigm shifting, so it's going to be obviously going to meet some resistance. But I do think that if I manage to do certain things, like you know, being able to translate from like some kind of an edge detection algorithm that can see it really well, and then maybe decode some things or showed that we can create perturbations to it in a way that is coherent, it's going to be a lot harder to argue with. And our aim is to

understand the world, not to convince people of things. So then so my relationship with them is actually pretty contentiou it's funny enough because that generated more interested in the film than I think of most things, because all of a sudden, these heavy hitters, like pretty known scientists started

commenting on it because they were forced to. All of a sudden, people kind of like, why aren't you talking about this and then they're like, this is nonsense, that's why we're not talking about this, and then they came at me. I responded that interaction actually generated a lot more interested in the film, which is which is great.

are seeing it too. If they apply the same methods. So I love it, man, and I can't wait until you know, we we actually get some eyes on the discovery is do do you know when like that whole thing is going to be ramping out the movie?

astro project, he could do all these things. And then he basically went and started like meditating hardcore, and he went into Tibet and started just being there. And he lives, from what I understand, in China most of the time, but he kind of travel in between as long as Visa allows him to and he just goes there and comes back. So he has a wife, he has, he has a life, but he goes and like spends as much time as he Canada. Thing. When I was talking

to him, it's it's it's bro. He's again. I don't know how much he wants exposed about him, so I'm not gonna say, Tom, I can't tell you off air, but this guy is on another level. Bro. He's like truly like he just like came and like I've never seen people were like in the middle of the life. They're like, what's going on? Like the guy just like just like and I'm like, obviously, I'm like I'll send you a contract, and he's like, yeah, I don't, I don't want anything. Just this is I'm not trying to

get like tax deduction or like this is yours. You guys needed for the film, please a stud It's like yeah, but but it's one of these like and you know, this is crazy. So two days before, maybe a day or two before after, we were funded like a big chunk was funded by Chavez and and by the way, important dimension. So I'm doing all these name drops, but

I think they are important to mention. Kevin Chuco funded actually was one of the first people to believe in us, and just dropped like twenty grand, like without again, no promise,

in no other things. You like here, I think I want you to get you guys started right, so incredible people just kind of came along and kind of give us this like head start, and then John Chavis put like a big chunk, and then Aaron the director, were just he finished shooting a scene and were sitting and he was like, well, you know, I kind of looked at it. He looked a little worried. He was like, well, I kind of we need to raise at least a one hundred grand if we're really gonna I'm like, okay,

like you know, we'll raise it one hundred grand. This was two days before this happened. Well just literally the universe goes.

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