#761- The Psychedelic Realm That’s All Around Us w/ Acid For Squares Podcast

bshar on the show. I'm not gonna lie. I've been following him for quite a long time and one of my favorite people to listen to, but then he had to dip his toes into politics, and I said, no, why are you doing this, Daryl, Why do you got to do this to me? But but I'm sure that's that's not all who he is. That's just one thing that people are pointing out. So just out of curiosity, like, how was your conversation with the almighty Darrel a longa.

purest channels that we've ever come across. And yeah, I mean like we that interview was was was amazing. It was amazing to do the interview, and we have other stuff planned for him. We're working with the neuroscientists at UCLA to do a show where we like hook him up to brain brain scans and read his brain waves to see if we can prove or disprove him. We believe him, and we've already seen some scientific evidence on his documentary First Contact.

it was we followed him for so long. It was a lot of a lot of stuff we've heard before, but what we got to talk about was a little bit of like we've had channeled experiences where we've gone into like altered states of consciousness where we've channeled, and we got to like pick his brain on some experiences we've had and things that have happened to us, which was fascinating, you know, because we a lot of times we don't have the language or the understanding of what's

going on, and even a lot of our teachers don't go into those states of consciousness. So our like shamanic teachers, we do a lot of shamanic work with like indigenous plant medicines. So yeah, like he got to like walk us through sort of like explain like what the the contact experiences we've had were, what like you know, the hand movements since sort of this like GOBBLYOK language which turns out to be like light language, which and these

are all like precursors to channeling. So yeah, we got to like go into that, which was fascinating, and yeah, it was fucking mind blowing.

As a matter of fact, Like on my my I have another podcast called Meta Mysteries, and it's strictly for the metaphysics, the psychic world, the channeling, the past life regressions, all that that's my jam, Like that is my lane, which is kind of why I love you guys so much. Because that's you know, very similar in that kind of way.

But you know, I know that Dolores Canon, whenever she was talking about it, she you know, during her time, it was understood that there was four like brain wave kind of things going on with beta, alpha, theta in delta.

And then some people started introducing, at least within the hypnosis realm gamma, which I believe, if I'm not mistaken, gamma is said to be a little bit deeper in trance than even theta is all right, So as far as I understand gamma goes is that basically it is it is like the state a little bit deeper than theta, which is what I try and get people to to go into that that that mind frame whenever I hypnotize them to be able to kind of witness what there were or who they were in a past life and

get those kind of messages and understand that life so they don't have to repeat those same mistakes in this one and and and all that kind of jazz. And that's something that I learned from Dolores Cannon's course, and I mean just so fascinating. That was one of the main things that I got into, like Ray whenever I started the Cult of Conspiracy, I had I had a guest on from Australia. His name is John mcclucky, and he was somebody that was into Khachen and I kept

on wanting to have him on the show. I had him on like three or four times in like the first fifty episodes. I was just fascinated by everything to do with this guy and that work and all that kind of stuff. And then eventually he was just like, you know, like you're you keep on wanting to talk about this. Why don't you just like go do the schooling.

And I was like, oh, I don't know, because I was, you know, getting ready to go to real estate school, and and I was trying to be a normal, functioning person of society or what I thought was normal, and the idea of oh I'm going to be a past life regressionist. Wait, I toild my parents hear about this, know, But eventually he was just like, dude, if that's what you like want to do, then just go with it. And I was like, it really is that simple, isn't it. So I did it, and I loved it, and I

still give the sessions every so often. So yeah, I mean, it's it's a hell of a time, dude.

into medieval history and history as a whole. I do boohurt fighting, which is like full armor cage fights with like swords and shields and actions and shit like this. This is a long swort that I use as a matter of fact, and so it's fun shit, right. So I'm into that stuff anyway. So when this past life regression happened to me. In this experience, I was an

Arab dude. I don't know what religion he claimed, but I was there during what I would assume to be the First Crusades, and I guesstimated that based off of the armor that I was wearing in a battle that took place, and it's not like I was some high ranking general or anything like that. Basically, after the battle of it all, I became a traveling nomad just kind of meandered place to place on foot. I didn't have wife or children. I died penniless and alone, but satisfied

and happy. And so with that being said, I still am not one hundred percent convinced if this is what happens when Jacob's brain goes off the leash and kind of meanders around and this was my imagination kind of on free mode, and this is what spit itself out, or if this was in fact a pass life progression. So I do want to do another one to compare

notes and see how it goes. But a lot of the experience that Jonathan had, these people that do a pass life regression with Jonathan, they're so varied, they're so all over the place. Sometimes it's a body list ethereal figure. Sometimes it is a life from the Middle Ages. Sometimes it's a life from World War two. I mean, it goes and runs the gam But now very few people are like I was Joan of Arc, like you know

what I mean, like it's not like that whatsoever. I think, Jonathan, you said you had a few people that said that they were somebody of note, But for the most part, it's been pretty normal as far as that's concerned.

three people from the year seven hundred? You know, like you're just probably not going to think of that in that way, right, And so you know, most people they will have some kind of wild thing happened, but it's not necessary history noteworthy. You know, it might just be something that they experienced in that life and they're bringing it back to try and help them in this life.

And that's really the whole point of it. And then you know, uh, Dolora she called it QHHT because it was a quantum healing hypnosis therapy and she believed that Look, she believes that we can make our If we can make ourselves sick through nervousness and anxiety and depression and all that kind of stuff, then we obviously would have

the same kind of power for the good. And she believed that you could literally heal yourself in times like in this state of mind now, if you're calling upon angels or your guides, or maybe it's just your higher

self that is fixing you up. Either way, whatever is going on, it has happened, dude, And I haven't experienced anything like Dolores would talk about how somebody would have like crazy scoliosis or something like that, right, and she would literally in the session see the person's backs draightened out, and they never had any kind of scoliosi's problems at all anymore. Ever, again, and many of people have documented that kind of stuff. I haven't gone like to something

that drastic yet, I'm open to it. But people have gotten over like a lot of things that they're anxious about and things that make them sick. And just because it's all attached to what she claims to your past lives and your past karma and things like that.

could see people on the shore. And then all of a sudden, it and I knew that the people taking care of me were not my parents, but they were like handlers, and so I didn't really have access to

my family. And then all of a sudden, it went to like another point in that life where I started getting really angry and started becoming this like evil dude that was just like murder and murder, like definitely that sort of like stuff you went behind you, Jacob, and I was just like just so much anger, and I

was like in the body of this guy. And then the last bit it fast forward to the moment I died, and it was like snowing and I was walking across these rocks and I was lost from my you know, my nights or whoever I was fighting with, and this person came and just stabbed me and I died on the rocks. I was just bleeding out, being like what if I done with my life? And then but it was so realistic. It was it felt like I was

actually remembering something. I'm like, this is very, very weird, because I wouldn't expect myself to go into some guy that's like trying to murder people.

and that's what you're interested in. But then but then you got to ask the question, is what you're interested in this life because of that past life? It's like what came first of the chicken or the egg kind of deal.

was wearing. And the only reason that I would know that is because I'm into armor, and shit right, somebody else seeing that would just assume something Middle Ages. But that's like a you know, eight hundred year gap of time. There's I knew it was somewhere on a waterfront, you know, because at the end of this battle, I don't remember the particulars of the battle. I remember walking to the beach, and apparently I fought with the Europeans because I was

alongside of them. We all walked to the beach and just kind of sat in the sand and just kind of rested for a minute, and I remember feeling like we shouldn't have won that whatever the case was. Whatever the battle was, like, we should all be dead right now, and we all, without speaking it all knew that fact and we were just kind of having a moment to like realize that we just avoided death. And then cut too. I'm walking up to a goat herder's tribe, and you know,

it's a farm of types. It's in the middle of the desert, so it wasn't like there was verdant fields or anything, but there was these little mud huts and this woman is cooking forest and like the head dude of it all, he welcomes me with open arms and I eat dinner with them. Then I cut to the scene when I die, old man laying in a bed, and I whatever I had in my pockets, whatever money

I had left, I paid this girl. I say, girl, young, young lady, I should say to kind of tend to me until I died, and like, once I died, that was it, and I just kind of drifted off. And I remember thinking I had no wife, I had no children, but I also was at peace with that, and like I had made my journey in this world just kind of going place to place on foot and being a nomad, and that was that was I was satisfied with this. It was very interesting, and you still don't believe in this,

So I'm not saying that I don't believe percent. Look what happened, I don't know anyway. For you, anybody listening right now, you need to come check us out on patrons so you can see what the hell is going on with these cameras. But but uh, it don't necessarily that I don't believe in reincarnation. I just don't see a point in it. And that's that's for my own and that's not even a full a fully true statement either. So backstory to me, I'm a bit of a Christian,

not a very good representation of one. I get it. Fuck off with the judgment, but whatever, Right, It's the way I've always seen it is, we got this one life to do what we need to do, and then this is like a pass or fail event. We will be judged at the end of this. It's like a test.

You can fail this test, right. But that being said, that doesn't mean that there's zero possibility of the higher power, the God, the universe, whoever you might call it, sending you back down for another round because you didn't learn what you were supposed to learn. I get that, and I don't discredit that completely. It just I don't necessarily buy into that myself. God, But that's what I'm saying.

I want to do another past life to compare notes and see, like, Okay, this other past life was oddly enough some other shit that I'm super interested in, or is it something way off kilt that's out of left field. I'm interested for sure.

not fully. And that's what I'm saying. It doesn't. I mean, there has been Christians that fully Christians of note from the past that fully believe in reincarnation. Then there's some that say that's completely heretical. I'm not so cut and dry with it. I think I used to be. These days, it's more or less, uh, I just I guess it's very much case by case and it's all up to

the Higher power. And I'm not saying that, well, God, you know, is the only one and like, yeah, he'll decide if somebody's gonna get reincarnated or not.

The I think the most interesting, like allopathic that the most interesting doctor to look in reincarnation his names doctor Ian Stevenson, Jonathan.

you know. I'll tell you one specific story. There's a person who remembers being like executed, shot in the head in a past life. So doctor am Stephen said to hear about this, he would travel to go find them

and interview them. These people would typically have what they call a death mark, which is a birthmark where the where the death was that they remember, and then he would go find the person they claimed they were, get permits to dig up their grave perform autopsies on their the deceased person they said they were to see if the wounds of the autopsy aligned with their death mark, and in this specific case, with the person that was shot in the head, he goes and he does an

autopsy on the body and he sees there's an exit wound from the bullet. And he flies back, right, and this is a while ago, right, so he's this man spending money. It's not so easy to communicate. He flies back to see the person remembers his past life and he says, hey, do you have another death mark, a birthmark on the back of your head. And he's like, yeah, sure enough, he had the exit one in the back of his head. And wow, this guy has a legion of these reports. He spent his whole life doing it.

the little girl like met with the family. She knew her husband, she called him by a name and started naming everyone in the family. And they have like footage of this happening.

about like eight years eight years ago. So what they do is is they pretty much as soon as the kid can talk, they start asking them questions, start being like what's uh, you know, you know, if they remember anything. And in this specific instance, this girl, I guess, she says who she is, She walks the elders of the village to her house. She says that names her neighbor and says he killed me like with whatever weapon I'm

buried under there and the weapons over there. They find the body, find the weapon, arrest the neighbor straight up. Whoa yeah, dude, this shit goes fucking deep. There's a lot. But then the question starts to be like, you know, why.

the ancestors being at the bed or or somebody who you know, just got rushed to the hospital and they were out for a little while, and they come back with this like crazy expl of what happened while they were you know, lights out, you know, and just fascinating stories. I mean, these these stories are being documented by the thousands, and I mean, how do you explain that? You know, like, what do you do with that? But then you have other people that you know, they the lights go out

and they don't remember anything, nothing happened. It was just blackness. I went nowhere. I'm still there's nothing else that they got. And so I think it might be, you know, something on a case by case basis. Maybe maybe some people just you know, like there are people, for example, I dream every single night. Jacob never dreams, right, and so maybe I would be more prone to having an NDE, whereas Jacob would be like, oh, it's just lights out, you know? Is it? Is it like that?

just went black, just went cold. Now he is Vietnamese, right, so I mean he has there's a lot of different religious and spiritual cultures that go into that that I don't want to say family tree, but you know what I'm saying, like hereditarily, yeah, And he said that there was nothing on the other end. But then again, it's like that could easily be dismissed by saying, oh, well, that just wasn't your time. He's like, I died six fucking times. How are you telling me it wasn't my time?

They are running the show, they are running the game, so whatever this is, they're on the other side, and there is so much love they have for us. They are like right here, and you know, whether it's your ancestors, angels, whatever you want to call them, they're right here. And all you got to do is ask for their help and they won't violate your free will because that goes against like certain laws, spiritual laws. If you ask for help,

they're there. So one of those fascinating things about this is that state of consciousness is very much like a dream state, and a lot of these on the other side they know that the experience of this absolute reality or whatever it is the real reality can be such a mind fuck you won't be able to function. So we have people all the time that get like men in black like boom, like nothing. They've done it to us.

I mean, Tony, you can tell a funny story about like they Most of our experiences going to the other side, we can't even remember.

because they kind of like poke fun at you. It's like what we've experienced it a lot of people have, is that these like spirits or whatever on the other side like kind of like make fun of you. It's kind of like step taking yourself.

degrees of success. Most I would say I think it's like eighty percent go through one of these retreats and come out on the other side of it with positive you know, stories about it. All. Mine wasn't. My first experience of psychedelics had nothing to do with PTSD. It was pure curiosity. I was dating a Nordic pagan chick at the time, right, and there I was at an embolics festival and you know, big fire festival, and it was a good old time. And I was at the time also in a line of work where I got

piss tested pretty regularly. So as they're passing around weed and hash and all that, I can't partake. But the shaman of the group pulls out a big five gallon baggie full of shrooms and I'm like, hold on, mister shaman, man, those don't pop on a piss test too. They He's like, no, they do not. I'm like, all right, hit me, let's go. And I had no idea what dosaging was or how a small versus a large dose would hit me. Come to find out how a really fucking high tolerance for psychedelics.

And it takes a lot to get me there. But once I get there, I'm fucking there.

is kind of this is kind of ass. He's like, all right, priest. They kept calling me Prieste because I was the only Christian of the crew. He's like, here, grab what you want. So I took one of my big ass pawfuls of these, uh and it was just the regular mushrooms, nothing really crazy on this one, and just chowed that down and chugged a bottle of meat behind it, and boy, oh boy, when that hit, it

took a minute. It took a good minute. Some colors started to get a little more vibrant, the feelings started to go a little different. Keep in mind, there's a drum circle going on with a big ass bonfire. They got wickens over here, they got druids over here, they got some sort of want to be like gypsy crew over here, and I'm showing with the Nordics, and like, you know, everybody's out there doing they own embolic thing, right.

And I will say ten out of ten recommend as far as first time doing psychedelics, it should be at a pagan drum circle festival. That that just was awesome and long story short, I opened my eyes and I'm able to see nothing but golden clockwork and gears and cogs and everything is moving perfectly unisoned with each other. And I'm like, okay, so that's the point, the good and the bad of this world. It all has to mesh together because this doesn't fucking work without it. And

that lasted. I felt like hours and hours and hours, probably about four hours of that type of good times and uh yeah, no come down the next day or anything. But I mean, I guess being the first time out the gate, maybe I wouldn't have experienced because I don't get hangovers, so you know, whatever, there's no hangover the.

Uh the I mean this year, we're trying to have a kid, so we're doing nothing, nothing, nothing there you go, but uh the yeah, we always say, you know, what's a medicine or a drug based on if there's a hangover. So that's it. So like even like that's why, like even like LSD or MDMA, like we don't really fuck with because it because there's some sort of come down. All psychedelics have a little bit of an afterglow, but eventually there's a come down with the synthetics, so we don't.

But I feel like if I would have fucked around with it, like fifteen years ago, I might have gotten my hands on some good X and like these things it's just cute dressing.

speeding right now? Like I feel like I just took like five adderalls, what the hell's going on? Come to find out it was laced with fucking meth. And I'm like, of course it was, because I can't trust any of these things, and so never did it again, and I'm like, nope, I will stick to as you like to say, the plants. You know, I like some like to partake in a little Mary Jane, some mushrooms from time time to time. We have a buddy that creates this one kind of psychedelic It's called.

a whole nother level. And but the four echo DMT it is still awesome because it lasts for like three or four hours and you know, when you close your eyes and you go inside, depending on the dosage, it is like a DMT trip. Like it it's similar. It's not as extreme as DMT is, but you still are able to see like the g oh, you know, like this this weird world that is very geocentric and you know, you can learn a lot about yourself and go inward and I don't know, it's it is fascinating. As a

matter of fact. The first time I did that, I was with our friend Christy and we were at her because our shop used to be in a crystal studio. She owned this crystal shop and me and her did it the first time, and it was like twenty minutes in as soon as it hit us, and we were just laying on the floor next to each other and we had like the like the cool lights and music and shit going and I just looked over at her

and I said, this is so awesome. I'm already excited to do this again next time, Like I couldn't wait. Like it was so fascinating, so other, out of this world, and you know, you just feel like, I don't know, it's so strange because you think that you're seeing it for the first time, but yet it still feels familiar, you know, and there's something wild about that.

to be a little extra today and it was. It made me go so internally and it was so wild, dude, because you know, like I literally forgot that I was a part of this world. I was in this other world and that's the only place I existed, and everything else I didn't even think about, Like I didn't even know that I was still on the couch, you know, like because they I mean, you are literally like the blast off is real, like and that is holy shit.

Like I felt like the come up was so exciting, and you're like, oh my god, this is the best feeling I've ever had. It's like a million orgasms all at the same time, except for it's happening all over your body and it is just the most incredible feeling ever. And you're like, I'm home, baby, take me, I'm ready,

and and like it's the best feeling. And then at a certain point it got to be too awesome and too and too amazing to where it started making me question everything, and I was like, oh god, I'm losing control of this. I don't have control, Like I'm no longer in control, and I was freaking out. And then out of nowhere, bang I'm inside of a Bucky's bathroom and just like standing like I'm peeing at a urnal in this trip. I don't know why, but I'm peeing at a jurnal and I'm like, how did I get here?

And I'm just looking around and everybody's just acting like normal. Nothing,

It's just another day in a Bucki's bathroom. And before you know it, I started to lose even more control, and every single part of my reality was dicing itself like a cheese grater, and it started going into cubes, and those cubes started changing and everything about my perspective was all over the place, and I was really tripping out because I lost control, and I was like, I'm never gonna be able to put this back over here, and I can't put it back over here, and this

reality is going to be gone forever. And the more I stressed out, the more I tried to grasp for control, the less control I had. And then as those as those squares were changing up on me in my perspective, they started getting smaller and smaller and smaller until they

turn into dust and they started to float away. And as they're floating away, I'm like, I am the most depressed that I've ever been, Like I could not believe that I just made this decision and everybody that I have ever met is gone, and I'm and it's all because of me. And and I eventually got to this point where I was in the void. There was no

more BUCkies anymore. I'm I'm standing in total blackness. And it really scared the shit out of me, Like it was the most horrific nightmare of a nightmare that I've ever had until I was able to decipher and learn and and you know, the days went on and I was like, oh, okay, well it actually wasn't I mean, I didn't die, you know, like it might have seemed like I went to Hell or you know, or to the void or whatever, but still I was there as

the awareness to observe where I was. And so I'm like, oh my god, so I'm not dying that like I'm still existing, like this place has to still be here. So it gave me a little bit of hope. And I was like, well, I wonder where everybody else is at, you know, talking about Jacob and everybody else that was in the room while we were doing the DMT or because we took turns with it, and I started to open up my eyes and I was still feeling very

depressed at this time. I started open up my eyes a little bit and I could see everybody still sitting around me and just sitting there and staring at me, and I'm like, oh man, this isn't even reality. This is just like this is a wish. I want this to be true. I know it's not true. I just saw reality just go away in front of my eyes, and like I woke up. Finally I was able to open my eyes and I was finally able to convince myself that I was back there in that room, and the most shooketh I.

more profound than my awesome DMT experience. I was able to garner so much more meaning about this reality and you know, in my mind and the people around me and appreciate everybody around me and everything like so yeah, I mean the first time I did it, I was like, I'm going to do this every single day. And then the second time I did it, which was literally like fifteen minutes after that, I said, maybe not every day.

process is really really fast. So the thing was stepping to any sort of DMT is that you're facing death to realize death isn't real. So you experience death to realize that it's not real. So on the other side, you're like, oh my god, I'm dying. But then afterwards you're like, wait a second, that felt really real and that was really real, but I didn't die, and you lose the fear of death. Second, with DMT, if you're using it the way that you're working with it, the

way you did. So they usually say three times is when you blast off into and like literally return to God. So you're supposed to do it three times fast in a row. So the same thing happened to me the first time I ever did DMT, because I knew nothing about it, And I ended up doing this with two of my friends. And the first we all took like one hit of this and nothing really happened, and we were like, oh, I don't I think we did it wrong.

So we did a second one, and I was sitting on a couch also, and all of a sudden, I left my body and I was floating above my body, and I looked down and I could literally see my body on the couch, and my friends were staring at my body on the couch, not staring at me that

was floating up above it. Then everything turned totally white into like this white void, and this line appeared in front of me and opened up, and these three ets walked towards me and they go, Hi, We're interdimensional beings traveling along the timeline of human existence, trying to find out when humans found their power. In twenty twelve, a portal had opened, which means that humans cannot go backwards,

they could only progress forward. They were like, you, the power of the human lies between the brain and the soul. They pointed at the harp and said soul. So they said, the powerlighte of the human is between the brain and the soul. And they're like, we don't have the same makeup as you, so we're really interested in your power and who you guys are. And then the line closes. It it disappears, and I go back into my body and I'm like, there's three etis and the other guys

had no similar experience. They were like, I don't know what was kind of fractally.

this happened. One one of the first reasons that happened in North America was because there was a we were warring with the indigenous people of North America and to the colonials, there was a lot of superstition around the magic of the indigenous people with their witchcraft and witch doctors, you know as witch doctors. So one of the things they did to gain control over them is they criminalize

their medicines. So this is one of the reasons. This is one of the first reasons why these medicines were criminalized and are misunderstood into this day.

So during the Vietnam War and the Vietnam protests, obviously we invaded Vietnam under false pretenses as the government likes to do, and there were all these protests for peace against the war, and this has proven Nixon used drugs to shut down the anti war protests, and he criminalized them to shut them down. This is just fact. At this point, his aids have come out, they've written books about this, and this has been criminalized ever since then.

It's very fascinating. The like the hearings they did when they were criminalizing these modalities. They said, there's a line in it they said these drugs will deculturate the masses, which is exactly what they do. They removed the culture

from the top. They break down the culture. But the point is is now today with the Internet, which this goes back to the cult of conspiracy, is we've never had access to such so much information and so now these ancient tools are being democratized, which we believe that essentially these are in the Bible. They're written all about we, you know, we believe Christ we might have been working with this stuff. You know how, what better way to turn water into wine than the put a little uh whatever,

you know, whatever you're doing. I don't mean to minimize any miracles, Jacob, I'm saying this actually in support of the miracles. You know, people talk about like the Akesha, but the burning of the bush was believed to be in Akesha tree, which is produces d MT. Right. So the point is, though, is that these are ancient tools for communing with God directly. And what these are these do is they give you what's known as a shamanic initiation.

So the way the medicines work is they give you what we call the sugarcoat, which is they will give you a positive experience at first, because they want you to come back and they want you to like the experience. Right, it's like, oh, sex feels good, Maybe I'll have a kid. And then you're raising a kid.

then you have to put yourself back together again. But the problem is is that because it's been brought, it's been demonized as a drug. It's also been processed in the cultural consciousness as something we do when we party or recreational or to have fun, to avoid maybe to get away from our worries. That's not how they work.

And the crazy thing about it is that the technologies will call them are so smart, they're not gonna they don't want to like ruin your life and make you die at a party where you're gonna go fucking crazy and resist and take off your clothes and be arrested. So like, there's tools that if you bring to it, like being in a safe set and setting eating a certain way, doing things in a certain way, you will be able to go into deeper states and more controlled states.

same way you are saying it's like a technology. I see it as like a tool. Okay, Now you can improperly use a tool and fuck your whole world up, or you can use it the correct way, with the correct intention and you can gain very good things from it. I see it as the same thing. And there's also

very much a case of overdoing it, right. I'm not saying o ding, but like you can go too far with it just because like Jonathan you, I would say overdid it with the DMT, because you were trying to push boundaries, which is very normal for humans to do. We as creatures want to push boundaries actually a nature.

finger bone and the vilka, the DMT it's planting. He says, this tool is from this religious order in the Amazon, and says, this ceremony you're about to do is was reserved for the highest priests in this order as their initiation into the highest priesthood. And you're about to get to do this. And we we you know, we do the ceremony and it's a beautiful ceremony. But the point is is to say, like that is what you just did. It's warrior medicine. Like this stuff. The most brutal experiences

of our entire lives are these ceremonies. Yet we're out here going, hey, let's let's up. The truth is it's like a form. It's like spiritual waterboarding, I mean, but simultaneously having this hellish experience that will heal you and we can go into the healings. We literally have physical animals healed, We've got brain scans, We've taken our families to the medicine I'm a straight edged mother, like like it's we we we put this ship to the test.

But it's warriors medicine. If you're willing to go there, you can go there. And it's not just for you. By breaking, by using your consciousness to stretch the collective field of consciousness, you are essentially spiritually evolving the entire species. You're essentially evolving the ancestral genetic line of the species. So you're essentially saying, Okay, I'm doing this shit, like

let's go. But the problem is is people usually don't prep for integration, like you know, like you're gonna have a couple of months and it needs to be like there's so much you can do.

out the womb? They didn't have to be taught that. That's just what they do.

crazy ant over there. So you just ate some mushrooms or you know, like don't go hang out with them. They're into psychedelics, you know, And are my favorites?

they've gone cuckoo for cocoa puffs. And I'm like, actually, kind of yes, but in the best way possible, Like that's the kind of people that I want to put myself around, because you're not so structured in this reality, like you were talking about, it breaks apart cultural everything at that point, because and especially even just with even outside of psychedelics, like the past life regression stuff I was telling you earlier, Dude, people have past life regressions

of being the opposite sex, of being a different race, of being a part of a different religion. And then you're like, oh, so the idea of segregation is stupid

as fuck? Is really what it is? Like anytime you're trying to, you know, act like you're high and mighty because of your because of your skin color, or your cultural beliefs, or your religious beliefs, or whatever the case may be, it's like, oh, I used to think the same thing back in my past life, whenever I was this different religion, this different sex and this different race, and here everybody is with these all these culture wars, and it's like, you're so silly. Why do you base

your entire identity on these things. That's not you, that's just you in this life.

And then next thing, you know, here we are, here, we are I mean, the you know, but the truth is is that in a sick society, truth will always look like insanity and being a functional enormy, you know, being susceptible to mimetics, to mimesis where you're mimicking your environment to just to increase your chance of survival. You are mimicking a inherently corrupt, decaying, cytick, toxic, deceitful culture.

And you know. So, I mean, so that's a weird thing for us to reconcile because we look around and like, we interview a lot of these people that do this work, and yeah, they're a little kooky, a little left of center, but it's like, well, where you're gonna go. If you're not center, you're gonna be a little bit, a little bit out there. And that's cause that's where you're heading.

If you're working on evolving the cultural conscious or your individual conscious, you're gonna move away from the cultural orthodoxy. And then like the yeah, I mean, the the only thing I uh yeah, I guess I just add that that's asked for squares like that's become our slug. We just say we're all mad here, you know, because since it is what it is, you.

I'm like, I'm there, like I want to listen to those conversations. And there was this old clip I think it was from three four or five years ago something like that of Alex Jones going on one of his rants as he does, and he's talking about like how they know they whoever they are, the elite of the world or whatever, they know that like the basis and the foundation of this reality is less structural and more like a dream, that this is something that like we're

living in a dream. We think it's reality, and they

know this and they're manipulating it. And that's how they're able to get away with so many things because they understand reality as it is, not as we think that it is, and it's I was like, holy shit, Alex Jones on something right now, and and that's kind of like what I've come to too since that, you know, I mean, I've I've had multiple psychedelic experiences and they're wide ranging and they're awesome, but there was you know, I've come to understand that like that's not a figment

of my imagination. What we experience in psychedelics, that is an experience, and the same thing. I look at my dreams and nightmares and all these things, meditative experiences, past life regressions and all these things their experiences. And I got to experience that was I does it take away

from it because it didn't happen in physical reality. I've I've switched my mind to understand that their experience is regardless, and they're gonna play into my vision of this reality no matter what anyway, so you may as well just accept them as part of this reality. And I've just come to accept this is I think it is a dream here, dude. It makes the most sense that it

is a dream. Like there are certain things about this reality that don't make any sense if it's just a physical reality, like you know, and I always talk about like metaphysics and you know, the quantum and the double slit experiment, like those things prove that this place is not what we think it is, you know, And then you talk about like you know, wild things like Skinwalker

Ranch and Bigfoot? Is he interdimensional? And like this is this is like a dream reality And I'm I kind of like it more now now that I've come to that, you know, understanding anyway.

on and talked about these things. We've had other people say that they tried killing them, so clearly they're nephylimic and demonic, and it's you know, hey, I don't know how to call reality on either of those.

It's the idea of self and that they're disconnected from God. But it seems like that God creator Wankatanka Great Mystery call whatever you want, seem to love its creation so much that it said, you have your free will, you know, just like a parent with their child. Go off and learn the lesson yourself, and I'm here when you need me. And essentially, though we've gotten trapped in this dream and

this culture that rewards sort of this narcissistic consciousness. And then that through spirituality, religion, whatever tools are you, psychedelics, you can recreate the whole that is divinity and is God. But the fascinating thing is is that all of creation is divine. You see it with the medicine. Everything's energy, ian's connected to the diet, dark and the light are one.

All these things, they're all the hand of God grooming us and ushering us in this sort of illusory simulation, this playground towards the higher truth, so we can learn it on our own. But the fascinating thing is it's filtered through the prism of the individual. Psyche, God is

spirit is whatever you want to call it. So we have this fascinating phenomenon where we sit there as sort of like really they're like you know, we're like, they're like spiritual duelas you know, we're helping these people have a death experience to commune with God and then come back. And we know the tools that our teachers have taught us. But the fascinating thing is that spirit comes in whatever form of the individual's orthodoxy. If they're Buddhist, they will

get Buddha and bodhisophic language and symbolism. Right, it's a non corporeal world, non physical, it's symbols. So they'll use symbols and figures to communicate an energy that their brain can understand on like a lower level. Right, So if you're Buddhists, don't have Buddhism Christian, they're gonna get Jesus.

Jesus will come to them. It's crazy, you know. The And then if they're if we have okay, we did a ceremony where they were non religious, they were a nerd and they they gave them Rick and Morty to explain Purtle. They're going, let us explain what's happening. This is the portal, like Rick and Morty, You're coming through a portal.

Like that's they think it whatever, this higher intelligence. That's they're gonna treat us like kids, like look, everything's fun and zany, right until they deconstruct your reality and put you in a fast food chain bathroom is you know right? But the point is is that is that it's filtered through the prism of the individual. My first ayahuasca ceremony and the Amazon the day after you do an integration

circle is thirty people. About twenty of them are therapists researching the medicine, and I'd say about half the people there had drawn visions they got of about like fifteen foot entities guarding the dog doors of the Molca. Like most of the circle saw these meetings, and everyone saw them as dark entities except one Canadian therapist. She saw

them as angelic. And so we said, you know, in this circle, to Don Howard, the late Great Don Howard rest in peace, we said, hey, everyone had drawn It was like, oh my god, oh we saw the same thing, right, And he goes, okay, who and she says, wow, well, mine's different. I saw it as an angel And Don Howard said, you process things depending on the part of

your psyche the medicine is working on. So you saw the same entity, but you all were seeing it demonic because you were getting the shadow part of your psyche worked on. You saw as angelic because you were getting the other side of your psyche worked on.

comes from. So if it is God, which we believe like a source consciousness, then after a while it's like, well, I want to experience more, so it like fractions itself off in order to experience other things. And those little fractions forget they are God, because if they remember their God, they're not going to be able to experience have their own experience because they're like, oh, just God pretending, right.

So then after those those fractions remember, then they fracture off even more, and they keep fractaling and fractaling off more and more and more. And I think that where we're at. So we're in like the third dimension, right, so we're really far away from source consciousness because they say that there's like eleven or twelve steps or dimensions

like back to God. So for us in this really really dense pocket of reality right where like duality and all this stuff, there's just dark and light and all this stuff, and we're so far removed. And then we also have social programming for us, these psychedelics are a way for us to go this like spark, to be like, oh my God, I forgot I forgot that I am sourced, just having a different experience, and they are not meant

to use all the time. They're meant to spark something inside of you that then you can then use in your three dimensional physical space to start working through and finding pieces in your own reality that are not real,

that are not parts of you that are programmed. And then because you know, you know, you've had the experience of knowing that you are God having an experience as a human, So these these psychedelics everything are just they're just a way for us to remember in order to use the tools while we're here to be able to enlighten ourselves.

we're all individual gods. Whatever. But I think that you're you know, I've heard it explained a certain way, and I think that if you can have an open mind and try and interpret, you know, what the message is trying to be conveyed here is that it's not that I'm an individual God and you're an individual God or anything. It's that this. You can just look at it as if this whole place Earth, or you know, the the

universe that we live in is God. You know, like if you look at it like that and understand that, like, oh yeah, I'm not over here worshiping myself. I'm not over here thinking I'm high and mighty. I'm thinking, oh wow, I'm actually not separate from God, which is what some people, you know, and I never really understood that, to be honest with you about how some people will you know, well, I guess I get it. You know, it's social programming,

and there's certain beliefs and systems like that. And I'm not saying that anybody's right or anybody's wrong. I'm just trying to explain this side of it to where you know that imagine a world where you're with God all the time. You know, everybody, everything, every experience you ever have, it is all God, all happening all at once. And I like to actually compare it to the dream world, for example, So like whenever you go and you go

to sleep at night, then you have a dream. Did God create all of those little individuals in that dream, Like, is that the way that your mind works? Or you thinking, oh, well that's my mind. I created that. These are all just factors of my mind. Well, now bring it back to the real world. Who's mind are we in? Like this has to be somebody's mind, This has to be somebody's dream, has to be somebody's consciousness. And you know, you get to experience that a little bit whenever you're

deep inside of like a meditation. So, like, as I said before, I have another podcast called Metamisteries. Last night we were researching the Acacak records and there's actually this really cool book called How to Read the Akashak Records by Linda Howe. It was actually something that was recommended by I think her name is Megan from Solar Glow Meditations. You ever see her on TikTok. She always has the

dowsing rods. It's fascinating. But she recommended this book and so we started reading it and researching it a little bit and trying to dive into it. And then afterward we always do a meditation at the end of the show, and so we did this one. It was a guided meditation to be able to access the Acascak records, and we were like, didn't really know what to expect, you know, like, am I going to expect experience a library and a library in or some kind of guards at the building?

Is it even going to be a building or whatever? Right, you don't really know what to expect going into it. And it was wild, dude, Like I had the trippiest experience ever, Like I felt like I was on DMT in this meditation, and I was able to see that, like, oh, what's actually going on right now? And this is just my interpretation of whatever was happening. But what I what I interpreted is is that this reality is somewhat of a dream or maybe in another reality where base level

reality is. I am imagined that I was actually in a deep meditation in another reality and I was dreaming of this reality. So I was able to peek in on that other reality, and I had like my wife and I was I was in like this whole other house and she's just sitting there with me. And the thing about that reality, to my understanding, was that time wasn't a constraint. You didn't have to worry about time, so you could go into a meditation. It could last

five years. Hey, it doesn't matter. Time doesn't matter here. Time is not really something that's hold in his back. So if you need to meditate for that long, meditate that long. And I just imagine, like my wife was over there, and she was sitting right there next to me because she knew that it was a therapeutic experience that I needed to experience. And the idea of going into that meditation was to go into this life work off karma so that I can go back to that

life and rick live my like regular reality. And what was really strange is is that this is gonna sound kind of weird, but in that life, I think that I'm like a cat person, which it kind of relays back to one of my mushroom trips that I had like a couple of years ago, but instead of just like a regular like calico or an all black hat or something like that, I was like, it kind of looked like the cat from Alice in Wonderland, like the blue and the purple, but it was like super electric

and it was like out of this world, vibrance to the color of this world and just wild experiences that are going on. And I'm like, oh, I feel a little bit better about death now. If I get to go back to that, that sounds awesome.

how that baby is your mother. They're sharing blood, they're connected, they're one and the same and the same genetic line. You know. That's what we mean. And there's something very fascinating going on with like sort of like non denominational secular spirituality is there's a certain individualism in narcissism that can taint this when really it's about community. This is supposed to be about us coming together as one and realizing we're not separate and we're not separate from our creator,

we're not separate from each other. We're you know, but this but but like we see this happening some people, it's like I'm God because they have an experience of merging with the one. But it's like, okay, but we still have to you know, yeah, we have to pay bills.

thing with the idea of God. It's just a fractioned off piece of them, and we all are a fractioned off piece of God. Like That's that's how I like to think of it. It's almost like a simulation. So it's like finding your way back. It's like, oh, yeah, there is the person that's still kind of creating this experience and you know there.

a horrible reader. I would stutter all the time, but now I've gotten you know, we read so much on the shows that I'm like, I'm pretty good at reading out loud. It's awesome. But the Acotion Record book that I was talking about, ye, and so I was reading a little bit of that, and after a while I just started to realize that, oh, this body and this mind is actually the one that's reading it. And I'm just over here having these separate thoughts while I'm reading

it and understanding it all at the same time. And I realized, oh shit, I'm just the awareness that is experiencing this life of this body and all these circumstances and all these experiences that this person Jonathan is actually I thought all all this time that it was me, but it's like, oh no, it's just an experience that you needed to have, like kind of thing. And it's

like it was really like really trippy. I love that kind of shit though, like I don't know, maybe I'm fucking my mind up or whatever, but that's that's kind of like, that's kind of like what I experienced.

that's also part of the human condition, right. We want to believe ourselves to be so much better than we typically are, and you have people that will find that as a justification for their narcissistic behavior that they already had before they ever delved into it in the first place.

And it's like, bro, that you just defeated yourself. You played yourself.

expanded awareness. And it seems that the boxes, they're either culturally given to us or we create them, and either they we identify with them, or they create some sort of safety or structure or control. But really the truth is we're not in control, and there is some sort of higher operating system, this higher os we call it, you know, spirit, God, what if you want to call it, this intelligence, and that really is and surrendering to that and trusting it, having faith, that is the pathway to

an easier life. And it is an antidote to suffering. And that's really what we're after here. You know, it is a it is a whatever the game is, it's a game of faith for sure.

Rainbow skull Rainbow skulls. Yeah. But so we were talking about the idea of so like the Kabalion, which is the seven Hermetic principles, and it's talking about how like light and dark, hot and cold, like good and bad, like they're the same thing, just different ends of the spectrum, but you don't really know when one gets and one ends.

And so it was this idea that the most spiritual person and the most atheist person actually of the same exact beliefs because on one end they're the most spiritual person is like, there's no free will.

in your brain and your body. So both of them are saying the exact same thing, but they're on polar opposite ends of the spectrum, right, So there's this really strange thing with our again duality polarity, like in our world where there are two things, but they're also talking about the same thing right, right.

two ears, two hemispheres to the brain, right. And one of the fascinating things is that the only singular glands in your brain are the pineal gland and the hypothalmis. So when you smoke dmtor, which you produce naturally, when you work with that, you know your third eye, right, you know, like your logo, right, But when you work with it, you're you're activating that singular gland, and the experience is very much this unification of these hemispheres to

have this singular experience of consciousness. If that makes sense.

the and see these kind of things. And I, you know, and I can appreciate the scientific side of it. Well, the science is just like, well, you know, you're only experiencing that because you're the DMT is being released from your pinial gland, and it's just something that happens. And the same thing goes like, you know, whenever somebody is about to die, they say, well, that's whenever the DMT

is kind of expressing itself through the pineal gland. And that's why people are seeing, you know, ancient ancestors or religious figures or whatever on the other side that are there to greet them for the other side. And it's really just a it's just a psychoactive thing. And I'm

just like, Okay, I think that you're halfway there. I think that you're you know, like you're you're getting down to the science of like what mechanism is causing you to experience that to but to just relegate it to well, it's just a function of the body and it's not actually what's happening, and that's not actually reality. I'm like, how can it not be reality? Like, it is a human experience that everybody experiences, whether it is through dreams

or meditation or psychedelics or you know, near death or whatever. Like, people are experiencing this just as you would experience going to the bathroom when you wake up, just as you experience brushing your teeth when you wake up. That's an experience that actually happened. To your perception, these things are happening. And so whenever people have like you know, religious experience or spiritual experiences, and it's like you can't change their mind.

They saw what they saw, they experienced what they experience. You know, Jacob had a demon experience and an angel experience. I had an experience with a fucking Egyptian catwoman and also like an elohem experience. Like, these experiences are real to us, and I don't think that we necessarily need to prove it to anybody else. We can relay the stories and see what other people think. About it. But to the individual, these things are absolutely true and they

absolutely are real. And you know, like I've had certain people tell me that I had this elohem experience with I took like a super dosage of mushrooms and I was able to basically hear the elohem and this trumpet voice and YadA YadA. I've told this story a million times, but I've had that experience. And then I've had like people come and tell me they're like, oh, that's demons, Like that's clearly demons, because the angels and God wouldn't

do that, Like they're there. You know, you opened up a channel, you opened up a doorway for these demons. And it's always like does it always have to be fucking demonic? Like why do we always have to go there? Like can it just be an awesome experience? Did I? Did I become a raging meth head after it? Did I start raping?

and that's kind of what these things are. Somehow these seem to be like I don't know, Cody and I wrestle with this a lot that if all is mind and we create our reality, then by believing in something enough, it does create an entity, right, which is kind of scary because then you're like, well, I don't want to be thinking about something demonic because then if everybody's thinking about that, that's going to create something demonic, right, like.

It's like we're electrical beings and these electrical patterns can like merge with us in order to help us like click or shift into like another gear if that makes sense.

our soul is. And that also would explain like that theory would explain a little bit around why there seems to be sort of this like interdimensional quarantine through the expression of UFOs and ups and angels like they are containing things we've had. We've had a shamanic practitioner on we've interviewed who essentially said that those I mean, I we don't necessarily believe this, but just sharing a theory.

He was saying, those like, if whatever demonic things you're seeing are actually higher dimensional beings, can take painting that energy so it doesn't get out of control. Who knows. But the one thing I want to say just to speak to sort of like the danger of avoidance, because we just were going over something where we were talking about all we don't want to think necessarily too much of this because it might create that demonic for us.

from it. And a lot of times they have things to teach us, you know those, I mean those If I have pain for my childhood, I shouldn't be avoiding it and just smoking and jerking off. I should listen to it and change.

the seven deadly sins. It's like different things that we shadow work that we have to like get through, but they're just personified because a lot of times we're able to connect more with a person, so we like like, oh, I know that being, And it's easier for us to understand the energy of a person if we can see a physical entity, you know, as like a statue or something like that, then we're able to like understand the energy pattern and change that inside of ourselves, right.

But I always find it fascinating because most of the people that come face to face with those things, it always leads them right back to the good side. Like it's always like I had this experience and I see that they're real, and I don't like that, and I don't want to be a part of that, so I'm gonna go to the good side. And whether that good side is religion or this or or some kind of spiritual understanding, it's always like, you know, the yin and the yin and the yang right, Like it's like they

can't exist without each other. But also it kind of just seems to me, like if the demons are so bad, why do they all lead everybody to spirituality or to God or to religion. It's always like something positive that comes from, you know, being in front of these kind of like or experiencing these kind of entities. What do you think about that, Jacob, Like.

there so much evil in the world? Me, me, me, you know, little Oh woe is me gone to the nth degree if we're gonna be honest about it. But I didn't see it that way at the time. And the demon came back to me in my mid twenties, and uh, that's when I had my big showdown with it and threatened it. And it hadn't come back since the last time I saw it. I know for sure gone down a level because of the eye color. But in that I learned about that through looking at demonology and Grimore's and.

And I would go out and play with her for a little bit, and I would go play with my friends, and nobody ever questioned it because I didn't really speak on it, because that was just I don't know, It's not something I really talked to my friends about, you know. Then one day I went out to go see her and it shifted and morphed into what I would now classify as a demon. Knowing what I know about what demons are supposed to look like. Then, as it was kind of tormenting me, an angel, which at the time

I didn't know what that was. I didn't know I was talking to a demon. I didn't know what an angel was supposed to look like, came and pretty much cast it out. Okay. I kind of chalked that up to childlike imagination and moved on with my life.

were talking and doing dishes and stuff. I couldn't move the demon, whatever it was, it was feeding off of the fear, right, Although it did scrape me and I used to have scars from it, but that's long since been healed. And it had golden eyes, and that that is a certain I don't want to say rank, but if two our English language, that would make more sense to say. It's like a not a classification necessarily, but like that was like a power level, a rank, if

you want to say. I was too young and full of fear to be able to do anything about it. My angel came down and fucked it up on my behalf with a flaming bow and arrow. The angel, yeah, yeah, yeah, so and that's whenever I learned the angel's name, which, of course, this motherfucker will never let me live down because it just so happened that my angel's name is Jonathan.

rhymes a little bit. So am I gonna sit here and say that I was that angel? No, I'm not saying that. No, I just thought that it was funny to fuck with him like that, you know.

pitch black, dreadlocks smelled like sulfur and dead carcass. Yeah, the whole nine, very deep, voice, very ominous. And there was a portion of time whenever I lost my faith. And keep that in mind too, I had lost my faith in God and was still seeing this demon in the mirror like it was as I was losing my faith, I at least acknowledged that there was something spiritual about this realm, about this world. Maybe the Bible was wrong, but some group has had to have gotten its semi

right at some point in time. So I went and delved into every single religious book and text and subreddit that I could fucking get my hands on, and long story short, it all led me back to three that even had some sort of an asseimbilance of truth that could be verified in fact checked through science and history,

and those were the Abrahamic religions. So then through more verification in my own it was like, Okay, so I can either take this Bible and acknowledge it to be truth and apply it the correct way, or I can turn my back on it. Knowing that I am turning my back on truth, and I will have to deal with those consequences when the time comes for me. That was a very easy choice. The last time I saw my demon, he had red eyes, dark red, not like

laser red by any means. That means at least he went down one, I think, possibly two levels, because you're a human's not supposed to be able to threaten and attack a demon, not in the way that I did. So that basically meant that he was kind of a bitch, which he is. I'll stand on that, and uh yeah, so he pale, skin, wrinkly, old looking, you know features

he I will say. As far as the face goes, you asked about what a demon is supposed to look like, you'll see a long nose, not necessarily like a cartoon but more like an elongation of this area. The face will also be kind of droopy, like melted wax looking. These are all kind of indicative of that. So okay, Yeah.

before we launch into this, I'll say, one, that's why working with psychedelics because it opens your field so much. Our teachers are very serious on protection and you know, like they all of our teachers, that's part of this of shamanism, uh and you know so so. But for us, you know, we had to like wrestle with that for a long time. You know, are there you know? Are you know? Is there a shadow? Are there demons? Are

there this or that? You know? And as much as and I'd say that's even a little bit a blind spot for us that we want to believe it's all good and it's all God. But the truth is is that that's an inconvenient truth of not only this type of work or this being a human, but also of being being someone that has these type of conversations around these ideas where there is so much gray area. There's a lot of people gun slinging out there when it comes to this stuff. So I mean, like that's a major

point of interest. I think the thing that like was really startling for us when it can't it's when it came to because we're always looking for some sort of like validation. Okay, we have these texts, we have personal experiences, and then we looked with science or history or you know.

the same shit to each person, you see what I mean. So, whenever you're telling, like, how do you deal with fear, the method that works for me may not work for this other person because that fear, even though it was the exact same experience, resonated with them differently. What I can say is that fear is a There is some

logical fear, right, a fear of falling from a great height. Okay, fine, we could at least acknowled there's a natural survival instinct type fear of that fear of things of the spiritual or the esoteric, or of the other dimensional. There's not much you can really do about it unless you prep for it. Now, I am of the belief that we are in the middle of a spiritual warfare. Okay, my

religious book says to put on your armor daily. He didn't say grab your bible and be a hippie, he said to arm yourself, Like, I don't know why people get into faith thinking that it's gonna be happy, happy, joy joy. He told you to strap the fuck up, So like dress accordingly, you know that being the case. Having fear of things that you know are like fear of the dark. If you're afraid of running into something in the pitch black dark as you're walking that you

can't see. Okay, we can logically assess this having fear of darkness as a whole for what why are you afraid? You have to delve deeper into the actual nuances of where that true fear for you comes from. Fear is mostly a liar, mostly right now, having a phobia of something because of some traumatic experience you had in your life. Okay, I'm not gonna belittle that by any means, But being afraid of just for the sake of being afraid, who does that help? It only hurts, which means there is

of the spiritual. Like you said, the spectrum, there is a side feeding off of one type of energy and a side feeding off of the other type of energy. Fear for the sake of being afraid, you know something's feeding off of that or we could take that. Even aside from fear, lust, gluttony, all of these other things, you as a human being doing something that is going to hurt yourself, hurts society, hurts your family, whatever the case is, something is feeding off of that and begging

for more, you know what I mean. That's all. It all encompasses this, it's all a part of it. So for me, yeah, there's certain things that I wouldn't say I'm afraid of necessarily, certain things I try to avoid, of course, but I don't have a fear of dot dot dot as far as I know. And it's not like I'm over here trying to say I'm billy badass or any of that. It's just it's like, the problem is not the problem. Your attitude about the problem is the problem.

you guys. You know, with all of your research and all of the conversations that you've had in your experiences and stuff like that, are do you find that you're able to take your prior knowledge into those achadelic experiences to where if you experience something you know, negative or nasty or scary or whatever the case may be, can you do you have anything that would kind of be like your armor of God, so to say, some kind of information or knowledge that you would have to be

able to bring in there and disperse that or at least look at it from a different angle.

you trying to show me? Like what is it? What are you trying to show me? Because I know I'm not in any danger right now, I'm totally safe, Like there's people facilitating, I'm protect that, I'm totally fine. I'm like,

what are you trying to show me? And it will always unveil itself and show me what it is trying to like the thing that is like the shadow element, and usually it is a something that is in my subconscious mind or something in my past or a trauma or something that I'm not facing that is coming forward to be faced. And so by doing it with love and being like Okay, I see that you're here, Why are you here? What is this? You know? And then it will unveil itself to me and I'll be able

to work through it. But it definitely is just a practice of knowing and learning that you can communicate y and you can. You are totally fucking safe and you just have to go forward and be with strength and courage and be like all right, I see you. This is really fucking scary, but I'm gonna do it anyway, right, And.

work was being done, you know. And the so there's a lot that you can do, you know. And I'll get into a little bit of the of the tools. So if you eat a certain diet, there is a certain way of you know, staving from It's.

as medicine. And that's just their story of the order of things. So and in that lineage, to put it in a more modern context, that belief system is the plants are like seventh dimensional and that that's why if you work with something like a cychoed medicine in nature are you one of the first things you see is you kind of start tuning to the net nature vibration. You see them as sort of these hyperdimensional things.

do help with this work. And also the same way you can have past lives, you can have like some sort of like I don't know, if it's like a contract or like your personal frequency can be I don't know, you have some sort of karmic bond to something like an archangel Jonathan and who's like Ninja, this is my dude, and comes like bad damn and like rolls out and you know. And it's funny because a lot of people that do this type of work, they're very sensitive people.

So like if you're like, oh, I feel guilty, like asking for all these things like space, time doesn't even exist in this way. And the crazy thing is we've done ceremonies where some of the most profound healings are the individual like Tanya, and she can tell the story later is going back in time to heal something and help your child self. So sometimes we'll even joke be like we're praying to our future selves here and they're stepping into the ceremony to help with this shit. So

I digress. So once you step into space, you light a candle. You can give thanks to the elements again, giving thanks gratitude. Love is the word we use for connection. Gratitude is the bridge to love. So by giving thanks to the elements, to God, to you're forming these energetic connections and you're creating what's known as a point of life. From that point. Really, the best thing about these medicines and these tools is they give you the ability to

see the effect of your spiritual and religious practice. So if you're Christian, you bring the Bible in baby you. And also it's most important for the individual whatever raises their frequency to the highest connection of love or spirituality. Love seems to be the highest frequency if it's the Bible that is right there.

So you light a candle. Thanks to elements, thanks to you, you can. We recommend highly. Look, people call it different things, Rah God, Wanka, tanka, Yoshibu, great mystery. He or she has many names, but remains the nameless one. You call it whatever that is to you. You call that and don't fuck with it anything else. Like people, we know a lot people that cowboy, don't risk it. We don't know enough about this shit.

literally have purge buckets. We have tools around us. Sage we used to clear energy and you know, and I think science has proven now it kills ninety eight percent of the bacteria in the air. That is more like a lower density, so you can get like sick using it. Polasanto's more like higher frequency. That's more to like lift the vibe of the room.

surrendering for me. Like I'll see like something shadowy and like a shadowy image or literally like not exactly spirituals. I'll start being like I spend years, I'll give be here for hours if I told this story, but I'm not gonna tell it. But I my first foray with this, I was like dem and I kicked and screamed and it was torture. I mean, I'm in the Amazon for days, and I mean the first time, it was the worst

experience of my life. I essentially heard beings around me talking about me and touching me like I was there, and I went I reacted to them, and they reacted to me reacting to them, and started being like, it's okay, don't worry, We're trying to here to help you. And I was like, nope, I'm out, and I just kicked and screamed the entire time. Really, the next day, I'm like on the fucking one phone to call back home. I'm crying my parents. I'm like, I spend all this money.

I'm like, I can't. I want to do this. That was so scary, that was so hard. I'm done. I can't do it like I thought. It was demonic, like so freaked out by it. And then I, you know, my parents like come home, come home, It's okay, don't be embarrassed, Like, don't be embarrassed. Forget the money, it doesn't matter, like just come home. But one of the visions I got was my sister and she was like this, like cold and alone, walking down the street in the snow in New York City, like scared, and I was

like I might being shown this vision. And when I called my sister. I called her after and I told her the vision. It just broke down crying and she was sexually she was sexually assaulted right beforehand. Yeah, it was two weeks before. She didn't tell anyone and she was suicidal, and I it gave me an opportunity the vision to tell my parents, to tell her to tell my parents, and for her to get help, and it like changed our lives. So so I'm like, I'm so

freaked out. I'm scared, thinking this is like demonic shit. And then on the other hand, it just saved my fucking sister. So I was like, fuck it, I'm going back. And I went back night and after night, and it was like a three year journey to get me to see the fact that this was not demonic. But I was so scared, like I really thought it was like

I feared that. But anyways, the point is that when I go into these ceremonies and if it wants to and it starts to show me shadow, I used to cut and run, but a teacher said, it's not happening to you, it's happening for you. It's a communication. One of our teachers, Cindy would say, it's like spiritual pictionary, so you have to ask why they're showing it to so they give us the negative thing. I'll give an example, and this was one of the first times I was

able to get past this level of this work. It was giving me like this like reptilian face, like growling at me. And normally I'm like out and I start doing any fucking spiritual shops. I'm like trying to close it up and protect the space. But instead I just sat in it and I faced it with courage. I just like stared it down and I said, like, what do you want with me? Like yeah, like what's up, bro,

Like you have problems? And instead it faded away, you know, it shrunk and then it fanned its face out like a clock, like different faces on a clock, and it was like alien, reptilian like angelic it was, and it said, we have many faces, and it went to one face, white mask, and it said, but we are all the

ancient one. And after that, I said, okay, so now I like face it more and I ask it questions because it seems like sometimes it's almost like God is giving you the stick instead of the carrot in this moment.

Yet people neglect them and just say that, oh, it's it's it's just a psychedelic experience, that's all there is to it. It's like, this isn't a movie that somebody produced, Like this isn't some kind of production that somebody is trying to tell me that it's reality. No, like, I'm here, I'm mixed. You know, we're experiencing these kinds of things, and they all may not seem to be the exact same.

I think that it's probably up to the individual and how they interpret it from their perspective, But it seems to be that everybody's kind of witnessing something that is rhyming. And if that's not some level of some reality, then why would everybody be experiencing something pretty similar to that.

You know, It's like if somebody said, oh, you know, I I meditated and I saw, you know, this other world where giraffes actually had elephant bodies and owls had alligator bodies, and it's like you know, maybe you can experience that, but for the most part, everybody is experiencing something of what seems to be like of like a higher consciousness that is there to teach you and there

to show you. And if it's not there to do that, then it's there to scare the fuck out of you and for you to go more internal and try and figure out what that's all about. You know what It's like, it's a very there's there's like two sides of all of this, and it's all kind of kind of like bringing you back to the center of wanting to discover what the truth of that is. It's either you can do that or you can live in fear and just say, oh my god, this thing scared me and I never

want to experience that. And that's clearly you know, evil, and that's demonic and that's satanic, and that's you know, of the dark side. And I think that, you know, at least from my experience, the dark side is always a part of me as well as the light side is a part of me. It's like, you know, we we have this. You know, you had mentioned earlier about the seven Hermetic principles about how you know we have there's like certain laws of the universe, and there's like

certain like there's a balance. It seems that that there's always some kind of balance, And I don't I don't know. I mean, I'm still on my journey of trying and figuring this all out. But dude, this is one of the best schools. If being a human on earth is a school, Holy shit, what a program that was built.

and the same. So we constantly are around like we have friends that are masters and what they do in different niches of these different practices from you know, the shamanic arts to you know, plant medicine, to astral travel, whatever it is. And we're constantly learning from them. And so that is a practice of ours, is just always learning and then taking what they've taught us and doing in our daily practice.

y'all's journey and experiences. Like you're saying, how much pushback have y'all received from these types of stories, especially the way the internet's go in these days.

other countries, especially if they're going by themselves. But this is also another reason why it's really really important for these to become legal in the United States, so we can have like facilities that are under watch and under some sort of laws and stuff like that to be able to create safe space is for women to come to and men as well, but like a safe space where people actually know what they're doing, that they have the proper medicine that they're not just kind of you know,

cowboying it as we say, like it's it's really important.

practices that to protect against these type of things. One thing I would say is do not sit with anyone that is not a couple. You want a man and a woman there who are a couple, a sysogy to hold the space for a plethora era of reasons. The biggest problem we're finding with this path these people, this like this type of work is a distortion of narcissism or a messiah complies so and this is not Again, it's like it's really fucked up, Like I hate that.

We you know, oh, we'll see maybe it's a political party or religious group or a certain type of person, and we see the most extreme version and then immediately we're just sort of like generalized like, oh, there's all these people in that group. No, just that's because that's conflict and drama, negativity that's going to go into your feed. That's what the news is gonna cover, and then it's going to create this thing. It's the bad Apple spoils the bunch. But the one we do see that people die,

they merge with God. They feel like I just broke out of the fucking matrix and merged with like an angelic entity and you know, was healed or now have the ability to help heal people. And your ego is sticky, you're it will filter. Your ego is like an entity, dude, it will transfer from what the entity the I'm sorry, the ego you had then the identity you had before

those experiences, to a spiritual identity. And so the best way to bypass that is make sure it's a man and a woman the you know, working with It's important like that. A lot of these tools and lineages of working with these medicines come from indigenous groups. It's good

to go and go work directly with the indigenous people. Now, with that said a bit, one of the things even we do is translate the ancient teachings into modern terms so people can understand them, and we can also bypass certain maybe like blockages people have around this work.

It's there's so much shame, and there's so much trauma, and there's so we're so segregated that we're not sharing our own personal experiences like Jacob's experience he just shared with us, especially across you know, across our different ideological groups like we you know, it's a.

first of all, who's saying not. Second of all, I'm sorry, were you fucking there, bro, Like Okay, it's always like you're you're dabbling, like you're dabbling into the occult and that's what opened up that doorway or something.

It's like, no feel what feels right for you in that moment, because wherever you're at on your journey can be different where you're going to be out in ten years from now. You might not be able to understand some of the teachings right now, but in five years from now you might be able to. And so you have to do what feels right in that exact moment for you as long as you're not hurting yourself or hurting anybody else, like that's fine and learning that sort

of thing. And so all of the teachers we have on the show is to show people you can do it yourself. You don't need anybody else, and we're trying to bypass the middleman and just have it directly from like teacher to student and be like, go do it yourself.

So like we you know, there's one of our teachers would say there's no religion in the spirit world. I know some people might disagree with that, but the idea of the on the other side is we all this is our birthright, that this these higher truths and these direct experiences and bringing each other, into communion with each other and into communion with this higher thing. That is how we culturally take a step that you know, we we evolve into a higher plateau of existence instead of

completely self destruct you know. And the only the only other thing I'd say, which has been really so because we also have this, we experience it in ourselves, we experience it with you know. Now we have the whole like social media guru like archetype, and it can kind of make us cross our arms a little bit sometimes, like it's almost like you got to ask before you can receive something, and if someone just starts telling you shit before you ask and be like, hey, I don't know.

So we focus on phenomenology we're interested in, like like Jacob, your story, like experience your stories of personal experiences like and then just pulling it apart, like being like like tell it beat for beat what happened to you and then like instead of in creating a safe space for that. And we feel like that's what you two do as well, like and that's why we're like, we love what you

two are doing. We feel like you're having the com cosa instead of like it's brought up and it's like, no, no, no, we can't have that. That doesn't fit in the Overton window of what socially accepted, you know, nomenclature to use or conversation to have, like and that's that's all this is. We're just stretching the cultural conversation and that's it. That's all we can do.

about from these quote unquote shamanic retreats. Okay, I know that there's a bunch of them out there doing things the right way, and all of it's documented and certified and circumcised and all the shit, right, cool, cool, cool, But she asked about, uh, what about these experiences the shaman of that group basically victim blamed and was like, well, I mean it's a part of her journey and if yeah, it's not, it's not it's unfortunate that she was preyed

upon in her vulnerable state, but that was a part of her life journey to have that happen. I mean, that's just kind of how it goes. Sometimes. If you go into a cave and twist your ankle in the cave, do you blame the cave's fault? You're the one that went into cave in the first place. And it's like, oh, big dog, ooh, that is the wrong approach. Yeah, some Brazilian guy. I don't fucking know, but I'm very glad to hear that this is y'all's experiences in y'all's response to that, for sure.

community communicating all this. But the one thing I'd say is that we find a lot of uh, spiritual gaslighting happening from people, and it's really important that we hear each other and take accountability and not and you know, and listen to each other. And I just think it's

really important. The only other thing I'd say, and I think Tanya has a story around, like the vice of it all is we're directors, we're in media, and one of the problems that we've realized and we were essentially trained to essentially pray on the rectilian part of the brain. It's all sex survival fear, because that is the easiest way to hook into the psyche of the individual.

Western culture of these things. And they're doing it dangerously and they're unaccredited, and there's the sexual assault. Does this exist yes? Is it such a small percentile? Yes? And the only is it okay? No? And this is why it needs to be legalized, why there need to be protections, why it needs to be be Essentially, I guess the term would be like it disinfected by the light of day instead of pushed into the underground, so a confessor and rot and these problems can come about, you know.

The reason why I ask this is because coca all right, from the coca tree is a or a bush, I should say, is a natural source, and people in all over South America use it to make coca t for medicinal purposes. That being the case, you can also take a couple of chemicals and cook it down and now you have pure cocaine. Some people say that this is a spiritual plant because it does come from a natural source.

Some people say that this is the devil incarnate because they are the type that lets things ruin their lives, and so you know, it's in that weird gray area. I've heard the same thing to be said about psychedelics. Right, Certain people let mushrooms run them and they ruin their lives because they develop a habit even though it's non habit forming. And we all agree on that. People will do it every day, all day to a point to where they can't disassociate and they don't even know how

to live sober. So it becomes a problem. But alcohol would have become their problem. Weed would have become their problem. It didn't matter. Right, So as far as the plant itself of the coca bush versus coca c versus cocaine, where do y'all with y'all's alignment in this realm? Where does it fall?

We're sort of extracting the spiritual essence from the physical experience where nothing is sacred, and that's what's put us on this hedonic treadmill of people. Some people call it sin illusion. That's why we're sort of trapped in this matrix because we're divesting the spiritual nature of reality from itself.

not to be used forever. And we don't know if this is an illusory world using a material thing always is ever going to be that thing. Yes we need to eat, Yes we need water, Yes we but a spiritual thing. I don't know. I'm not one hundred percent said on that, but I guess the point is is like this can be dangerous. Everything can be dangerous. I think when you're using anything to escape pain or discomfort, when pain and discomfort and suffering is a fundamental teacher

of this reality. It is the tool Love is pulling you forward, and pain is the spear in the back.

We think everyone should have their free will to do whatever. We think everything should be essentially regulated so it's not dangerous, so it doesn't hurt people. We don't want children doing cocaine. We don't use cocaine. We don't view it the same. But yes, we know Indigenous communities on the leaves while they hunt.

once the prolonged usage and things. But like talking about children for ins, and certain Native American tribes, even the NAC the Native American Church, they use peyote in their rituals and they even give spoonfuls to children in the hut as a part of it all. Now, I am not saying that we should all be drugging our children.

There's cultural significant reasons why they do this. But in that same way, they give coca tea to children and in South American cultures, and like that's not bad but I agree cocaine is more or less like the the chemicals stripping down and to get the purest form of the derivative, and I feel like it kind of loses its its spirituality in that sense. The same could be set for tobacco. For the for instance, Native American tribe salt tobacco is a spiritual plant. They would use it

in spiritual ceremonies. But when you strip that down to get the purest of nicotine, you know you'd lost so much of what was supposed to be there. Well, that also can be set for spraying it with the pesticides in our modern cigarettes as well. We're losing the fucking essence there.

it's not going to be positive. A lot of our pharmaceuticals come from a plant derivative but then are changed into something else, which can cause side effects in US. So it really is like it's purest form, is the best.

matter is we don't understand it. It's not studied. It's the closest thing to a real medicine we've ever come across. It's some hardcore shit. It's not a walk in the park, and you can't use it really to get high, but you can use it at too much of a frequency where you're not integrating and you're essentially like avoiding the earth thing. I'm sorry, johndn't want to say.

into gold. The idea behind that is, you know, it's behind like the what is it the Philosopher's stone or something like that, right where basically you're trying to gain immortality if I understand it correctly, that you're trying to take that lead, you know, the idea of turning lead to gold. You're trying to essentially not extract the essence in a sense, but like you're you're trying to like take the like transform the energy of the lead into

the energy of the gold. And so it's like the spiritual essence of it that you're trying to like kind of create there if I'm if I understand that right.

essentially pull you away. Like that's why anything that's like a medicine like this, it's supposed to push you through.

look at it. I look at it that way, you know, but nobody questions that. As a matter of fact, you're actually like deemed a looney tune if you don't vaccinate your kid. Meanwhile, everybody that gets their kids vaccinated, most of everybody, have no fucking clue about what the ingredients

are in those damn poisons that they're injecting you. I mean, think about it, Like the idea of autism raising exponentially over the last twenty five thirty years and oh it seems to correlate with all these different vaccines that we're giving these babies upon their birth. And you know, so I'm I'm very against that kind of stuff. But what's very interesting is, you know, you had mentioned about how what was it like the babies in the Amazon basically

doing ayahuasca. I never heard of that. That's pretty awesome. But we look at ayahuasca as if it's a drug, but we don't look at vaccines as if they're harmful drugs that are going into babies. So it's just weird that that social programming that we have that where this drug is okay and perfectly acceptable, whereas this drug, oh well, this is a psychedelic thing. We wouldn't want to give

that to our kid, and that's a drug. It's like meanwhile, like we give our kids like cocoa pebbles and you know, tricks for kids, and like the sugar is a drug, you know, And it's like people wonder why all their kids are like EIGHTYHD like crazy. It's like, look at all the processed sugar you're giving them, Like, how is that not outlawed? But for some reason, whenever you have

some kind of spiritual experience. Just because you just happened to light up a plant and smoke it, you know that now you're a drug addict or now you're doing something negative, and that is I guess the point that I'm trying to make is it's the misunderstanding and the social programming that have been kind of like put onto us to believe that certain things are bad and certain things are good only because you know, there's been some

kind of spin from the media, from the schools, from whatever, however. You know, we were taught these things. It's just I think it's so important to do your own research and figure these things out for yourself, because if you don't, then you're always going to have an opinion that isn't even necessarily your own. And that's the scary part, you know, like whose opinions? Like how did I come up with these opinions that I think are mine even though I

wasn't there to witness it. I wasn't there the you know, the moment that that thought or that opinion or whatever that fact or whatever was generated or created. It's just that, oh, I've leave this person, and this person wouldn't steer me wrong. So I'm just gonna believe it.

this is how their community connects. But it does show the way it's expressed in the tribe as very utopian and communal compared to what we have right now out and then just to speak to what you're saying just about how like there are you know that essentially our culture we live in a culture of hypocrisy, you know, like we talk about cocaine versus sugar. They do that

Stanford study we always talk about every year. They do it where they put a mount of sugar and a mount of cocaine in a cage and they release the rats and they all go to the sugar, right And this is after getting them addicted to cocaine and sugar, and they go to the sugar which is stronger.

We did a show called Awaken Underground. It was our first show, and it was a lot about pharmaceuticals versus psychedelics, and like I am a I obviously I'm a product of the medication generation, Like I was stuck on ady D meds as a kid, Like I am what happens when you start drugging a kid in his adolescence and telling him that the solution is in a pill he's going to take every day, and you know, and even coming to psychedelics, it was to heal those side effects

and get back to a life without pharmaceuticals after over a decade. You know, it's there is a huge hypocrisy. And you know, I don't think like a lot of the things we're talking about in terms of the way to approach, whether it's cocaine or you know, intention dosage quality, frequency, you know, if you're using something chronically, you know, yeah, is using something ceremonially or intentionally to us it applies across all things what legal and not legal, you know.

And I say that as a chronic coffee drinker.

is like a weekend thing. So at the end of the second night, everyone's up like dancing and stuff, and all of a sudden, I get like thrown back into the medicine and I wake up in my childhood living room like clear as day. And this is not a normal ayahuasca experience, Like I'm you don't travel into another room. But so I'm in my other room and this voice whisper, she's under the piano, go talk to her. And I

was like, wait a second, what's going on? And I knew what was happening, So I'm going to tell you one second. So at this time, I had chronic back pain from a car accident that I had when I was eleven years old, and I started favoring one side

of my body and gave myself scoliosis. She was hit by a mac yeah PG truck freeway got her, yeah, and I would have to like within you know, by around like noon, my back would seize up and I'd have to lay on the ground and tears would just start pouring out of my eyes because I was in so much constant pain. So in this ceremony, I appear my childhood child living room and they say she's under

the piano. So I see my little five year old self under the grand piano that we had in our living room, and I crawl under there, and I knew exactly what was happening. So I knew that my child self was like holding in going to the bathroom because I was like ashamed of going to the bathroom. It was like, for some reason shameful, and so I had to go under there and talk to my little self and be like it's totally normal, it's fine, Like this

isn't like somebody to be ashamed of or whatever. I pulled her out from nt of the piano and walked her to the bathroom, and as soon as I got to the bathroom door, I shot back into my body and start throwing up like giant chunks, like I mean, I had not eaten in at least twenty four hours, like purging, purging so much, and then on the last like purge, all of a sudden, my back goes and decompresses, and I was like, wait a second, no, no, no. I was like, there's absolutely no way that my back

pain just went away. And it was like, you have to believe that you were healed. And since that day of doing that child work, I have not had any back pain like compulling John, don't seize up, nothing like that. And the wildest part is that, so we're sitting in this massive circle, right and the guy directly across from me during our sharing circle, he goes, yeah, He's like, I don't know why. I just started making up this

song to teach my daughter about how to poop. And I'm like, I was like, what the hell because he had a little five year old girl, And it's really interesting that it was like my five year old self and he was teaching his daughter this song. He was going to go back and like teach her from his.

but as a child, it's traumatic, you know. And so it's really interesting to see these like things and it's like, wow, I can literally go back and parent myself and heal something in the physical.

she had to heal herself. She was the guide and she told her what to do and she went and did it. And then the other Yeah, the other thing I already said, which is sort of that it's a it was a truck, but it was linked to this this uh this trauma. And then the third thing is the telepathic quality of it. And I'm sure you've all heard the stories about when anthropologists in America first discovered ayahuasca.

They wanted to call the chemical compound harming telepithon because they believed it gave was giving the people in the circles telepathy. So what happens in the circle is she's having a healing, and across from her, a guy is getting downloaded a song for his daughter about how not being afraid to poop and what. And dude, the craziest thing is what a circle is. When you're doing these circles, because it can be one person, two people, what we

call them ceremonial technologies. When you circle up, you are essentially agreeing upon this law that we're all connected, and you are essentially agreeing to essentially engage on an evolved consciousness where you are experiencing not just altered states, but extra sensory perception. And the healing is not done individually, it's done collectively in these ceremonies you and it's as as reels we're talking to you now. Actually it's as

it's real, it's real earth, right. There are moments where someone is brought to a mat or something gets happens, or the whole circle is brought to the same point

on their own individual journey. It could be an energy of blust greed, and you start going like spiritual warfare, just like Jacob says, going to fucking war You are sitting there sweating and purging and shaking and you're like it is water and you're there with thirty warriors, just fucking moving this energy, not for yourself in the world. And that's why it's so funny, because we have these conversations. Everyone's like ask these questions and we're like they do.

It's a fight's fucking in Saturday. You get in there, it's insane. Everyone's in white and like like war paint on and you're just fucking like sweating and crying and shaking, and it's like, what is happening? What is reality? But sorry, I'm done.

like it scared him that much, but he had. I guess he grew up in a religious home and then stepped away for a little while and then got back to like his religious ways, and then he was like, you know what, I really kind of want to come face to face with God, and I hear a lot of other people trying ayahuasca and they're able to essentially be in the in that kind of presence or something

like that, and so he went. I think it was actually, like he explained, it was like this mansion place somewhere in Florida that was doing ayahuasca ceremonies and you go for like two or three days, and whenever you're there, you know, like there's a bunch of people, and then there's you know, the shamans, the teachers, the guiders or whatever, and so you would, I guess he he partook in the ayahuasca ceremony and he goes, at first it was really awesome, like it was amazing, like he was able

to see like another world, almost like a fairy world, is what he was describing. But then what he noticed is is that he started to feel like this overwhelming sense of fear, and that fear started almost like manifesting these little I guess like machine elves or something like that that were all pointing at him and laughing at him and making him go like super internal and and

you know the little elves are just like you. You say that you're you know, you're this hardcore believing Christian and you believe in God, yet you still need to find some kind of proof for it. And you know what an idiot you are. And they're just like dog

in him the entire time. And he goes, Dude, I mean, I don't know how it is for everybody else, but it's like, you know, the it lasted for like hours and hours and hours from what he was saying, it's very exhausting, and and he goes, you know, and I don't really know what to make of that, Like, is that you know, God or Jesus or somebody just like punishing me because I went in search for them. And I was like, bro, I don't think that that's what's

going on at all. But that's the way he interpreted it. And he goes, I wouldn't suggest anybody try it because it is the realest shit ever and then it will stick with you for the longest time. And I mean, what do you make of that story? Do you think that maybe there's just more to the story that he didn't want to dive into. What do you think?

they're just trolling you the whole time. You're like, are you They're like string.

pushing on him, it's just challenging him. The fact of the matter is that was his fear, so it had to come to the surface to move And honestly, that was probably the most genous, gentle way she could have brought that wound to the surface out of all the things we've had to go through.

made fun of, like in a playful way. It's sort of uncomfortable to fear it's closing in on me, like you know, and he was there to move that fear by feeling that fear. The only way out is through there's no way you have to go. The pain is the path you have to go through that shit, right, So there is a level and that's an individual thing.

But there are people who are so strong, who are so brave, who are so fucking like ah in their convictions when it comes to who they are, who what they they believe in that they can go deeper in to the point where it's beyond themselves and they're projecting into the field of consciousness to heal others and also the world. And I'm gonna give you a little story

about this. By the way, this girl, Tanya, she puts me to shame when it comes to this type of work because I'm always like, I get to a point and I'm like, nah, then all right, just done now, and I just feel like and then I look over her and she's like, oh, like wretching in a bucket, Tanya, If you're comfortable, its very personal story.

I'm here, let's fucking do it. So this ceremony, I get knocked on conscious I'm just asleep and I wake up at the end and they're done with the ceremony, and I'm like, no, no, I paid all this money, like oh my god, like we I didn't get anything out of this. Are you fucking kidding?

the scenes. But you know what, like you're gonna be like a brat about it, We'll show you why we put you to sleep, and literally throws me into the medicine and I have to like relive sexual trauma, sexual like molestations, all this stuff from different all the people in my families that had to deal with it. I had to literally like enter the bodies of every fucking child,

every person as they're going through these traumas. And I'm like freaking the fuck out because I'm like bawling and my body is like shaking, and it feels like I'm being like assaulted over and over and over and over again.

We talk about this study with the rats with the rose blossom, So they used so they would spray rose blossom in this cage with these rats, and then as soon as they would smell the rose blossom, they would shock them, right, and so the rats would freak out every time they smelled rose blossom. They waited a couple generations and without shocking them, without rose blossom, So like three generations later, they spray rose blossom in the cage

and all of the rats freak out. They've never experienced the shock, They've never experienced anything, but the epigenetics through their lineage has brought this trauma in. So it was making me. Literally what it was doing is that it you can help heal. It's like when people say you're breaking curses in your family, right, you're breaking ancestral trauma in your family. You're like, no, everyone was an alcoholic, everyone was abused, everyone was whatever. I'm breaking it my

generation and it will never pass me. It is a choice. So in this there are though epigenetics, there are things that are like inside of us that these medicines, these technologies can change your genetics so it doesn't get passed down. And that's what was happening, and it knocked me out, so I didn't have to experience it as it was doing this work. But I was being a brat and being like I don't know what your experience or whatever, but it made me actually feel it. It was the

hardest ceremony I've ever been through my entire life. I wanted out so bad. I was just sitting there like convulsing and like vomiting and crying and like could not get out of it.

like that was actually a very basic protocol. When I see someone like her that gets put through that, I am like shook it. I'm like, damn, girl, you fucking go hard because you can be used to proxy. I've seen people proxy for the Earth, for the pain of the Earth, and like, I mean you're looking at someone just fucking like almost like an axisism, and you're like and they'll tell you the story and people we know, so we.

And this guy was you know, they were trying to break this this sort of like lineage of addiction inside of him so he wouldn't go back to using, and for some reason, like all of a sudden, my hands and feet like went out to him and I started crying so deeply, like the most guttural, painful crying ever. And later he told me that he was when they were doing the healing on him, he like felt so like bottled up and he couldn't release what needed to be released, and he was like, you were doing it

for me. He was like, I knew that the energy was going through you, and like I was like purging this stuff out. It was so wild and that actually that night I heard the trumpets those trumpets are talking about. After after he had that healing, I went outside and loud as can be. We're in the middle of nowhere, like there's nothing around there, and I was like, I've heard it too, and probably like one o'clock in the morning or something like that, I've heard it.

trumpet had a voice that could say words. And then for just some reason, I knew that I could ask it questions, and I don't know, I was just like, am I supposed to ask you questions or something? I'm tripping at this time, like I don't know what the fuck is real, you know, And but at the moment I was like, oh well, let me try and just ask it questions. And as I'm asking it questions, before I'm even done with the question, the fucking answer is

popping into my head. And it is the trippiest, wildest experience maybe ever that i've It was definitely my first. It was my wildest experience up to that point in my life.

what the profits. That's you know, that would mean you you would be a prophet and this and that the fact of the matter is and like this is honestly, if there's anything negative that comes from certain religions, it's that humans don't have these capabilities. And we talk a lot about on our show about disclosure, and it can always tend to come back to aliens and UFOs, but

disclosure is spiritual disclosure. It's a disclosure of the self. Again, like and that is that everything that's in the Bible, all these things, not everything, but there are a lot of extrasensory perceptions and experiences that can be invoked, like divine experiences that can be vote invoked and initiated through these certain practices.

And so he would say, you know, there are things in the Bible where God sees us as unclean rag or the idea that we're just humans and you know, angels. We can never be angels. We couldn't be spirits or anything like that because we're human in a sense, I'm putting mores in your mouth, but you get the roundabout it, jes.

Angels don't have that. We are of a higher realm than angels in God's eyes, but we are also born into sin. We are as unclean rags quote unquote. What I mean by that is that you're never going to do enough to counteract the bad that you've done, the ying and the yang of that. That might work in a human perspective, but we as humans will never be all pure, all good, because even if we did something ten years ago and we're a better person now, we still at one time did something ten years ago, and

that stain is on the record regardless. That's why we need a savior to come and wash that record clean anyway, detracting. Moving on, So, basically the idea that I've kind of taken on this identity of understanding is that basically, yes, I do believe that humans are as unclean rags in the eyes of God in a sense, because.

name was. I mean, unless you look it up. I just looked it up because I forgot what it was.

matrix and becoming one with God. That was like his name Buddha at that sense, right, And so I understand or at least I'm coming to the understanding that like, yes, this physical nature that we exist in, it is sinful.

In nature, it is dirty, It is as unclean rags until you know, you kind of join forces with the good forces in a sense, and you know, whether that be through prayer or meditation or you know, plant medicine, ceremonies, or maybe you figure it out in a dream or something like that, Like it's something that almost exists outside of your physical reality that you can then become and almost like attach yourself to that and stop feeding so much into the animalistic nature that it is to be

a human and wanting to consume and wanting to you know, fuck all the time, and like all these kind of things like that, I understand now why the human is as dirty as an unclean rag at that point, you know what I mean, Yeah, under And I mean.

to install into this higher intelligence. And you know, I think that the thing because totally everything you said about the Buddha like spot on, And you know there's people that say that about Christ as that the word Christ is actually a state of consciousness. People talk about Christ and conscious like the drawings they'll do of like enlightenment the sun like some people say that, and you know that it is you can achieve a Christ did conscious.

Obviously that can be very heretical, Jacob, I don't mean it in that way, no, but to you know, one of the things too, which is interesting is we feel like we are sort of stuck in this game of semantics and we keep getting caught in these linguistic traps and they're separating us, which is very tower of babble, Jacob. But like even you're talking about sin, like if you go to the origin of the word sin, it means to miss the mark.

like that. And when we use like a healing practice or a meditation, like there was a certain point where we started we were taught teaching around using the term raw and we would do this sort of like raw channeling, and it was a very strong channel and it made us go, oh, wow, is this like Egypt like because that is a very old teaching and they have this like path to God, you know, and you know, and we don't we don't know this because we're not you know,

we're not devout Christians. But like we could see the same thing there with Christianity, and that there is a very thick channel because of all these people that I practiced this. You know, I think at the end of the day, like we're all talking about the same thing, we're just calling it different things, and you know, kind of like debating like the right and wrong, you know, to.

together to understand the full completion of the picture. So it's like it's almost like our limitation is a part of the program to force us to listen and work together. And that is the ultimate point here.

But if you're ever here, we'll have you on. And then yeah, where as far as the other stuff goes, we'll talk about that offline.

We're like, all right, we've been doing everything independently, but we want to take this information bring it to people, and we really want to merge science and spirituality to sort of try to prove some of this stuff stuff almost some of the ways the telepathy tapes just did like really try to like, you know, if you're an abductee, hook them up to a lot of attacker test if it's bishar, you know, hook them up to a QEG scan and you know, let's see what's happened in the

brain and do stuff like that. So yeah, if you follow us, you'll see all that stuff come out, you know this year here.

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