#750- Could The Globe Model & Flat Earth Model Both Be Wrong? Fighting Science With Science W/ Cult Member Luke

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Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Occult of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm job and today we got the good cult member Luke. Welcome to the show. Brother. Hello, Hello, we are excited this one. You. Uh, you reached out to us and you were like, yo, got some ideas for a show, and one thing led to another and here we are. I know that we're gonna be talking about a bunch of wild things today, but uh, what what exactly is like your main interest on this on this evening.

So one of my main things is, uh, I've I've looked at a lot of things that people from the flat Earth side has said, and yes, they do bring up a lot of interesting information, but my issue has always been that they don't ever bring a physics based side to it. So, like, if you want to argue science, you have to argue with science. You have to back

Yeah, I've heard a lot of people in the flat earth community and again, this is not me yes, I am the resident globe card. I get that. So when I say what I'm about to say to all the flat earthers out there, please this is not throwing shade. But typically it's like, well, if you can't prove your point and I can't prove my point and they can't sell each other out, then boom I win. And it's like, that's not how like you said, it's not a good defense, right, And.

I like, I'm in agreeance with mainly you when you say that, Like they they bring up good topics of debate, of things that do need to be brought, not necessarily into light, but into the conversation of well, why exactly is this? And you know, give me a decent answer, don't just like guess, show it to me with an equation. But don't show me with just an equation, you know what I mean? Physical application right, Like there there is always a observation aspect of any part of science.

It's just how it is. But with that, I so.

My life has always been a mechanical side along with a more questioning side of things. So like, uh, I spent my whole life working on cars. That was the first thing I ever did. I can honestly say I turned a wrench before I ever turned a coherent thought.

What is your premier type of vehicle you like working on.

I guess really just like high performance cars. So like we had drag raced for a long time. So we had a sixty seven ranch Era that had a four to sixty big block in it.

Night just set up.

All that had uh full tub in the back. Yeah, so it was, uh, it was a fun time.

The only reason I'm asking is because if you were about to say, like Honda Civics, I would have been like, oh, so that's your type of autism. I feel you, But like you know what I'm saying them jackcars, you have to have a level of autism to really get into the works on that. You're talking about the big body American muscle from the mid sixties to mid seventies. I feel you. You like to be able to get to the component you're working on.

Oh yeah, and I'm not knocking the four cylinder stuff, like you can make power out of it. You just have to do it the right way the ways that those motors like doing, you know, like.

It's impressing what they're able to make. Those rice burners do, and I'm not knocking it. I just personally hate working on hondas.

Oh yeah. Like one of my favorite events to go to is it's up in Maryland. It's called Import Socialis Domestics and great time and you can see some hondas absolutely fly, absolutely fly.

Yeah. It's just a pain of the ass to work on them.

But it's all I'm saying, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, But it kind of developed my interest into learning how things worked, and it just further developed over time of like you know, going from the mechanical aspect, going more towards physics, more in depth with actual science stuff like that of just I guess, understanding how everything works, or at least trying to.

Fluid mechanics so to spraak, right, yeah, And.

I would say that that helped me out a lot too, because even though it's a further in depth of the theories into these I guess branches of science. It it really lays a foundation of understanding how a lot of things work in general. But having that knowledge, having the like I don't get me wrong, I hate math. I

So tell you what a good example of that. Have you ever seen the movie Ford versus Ferrari and how they they were or Shelby Versus Ferrari. I think it was they would build a little Shelby. Yes, the amount of physics and engineering that went into trying to build a vehicle that could beat Ferrari at their own game.

Man and aerodynamics going into it, Like a lot of people don't understand how engineered some cars are. For for example, the Selina S seven that they have, that car actually creates so much downforce at its top speed that it can actually turnover and drive on the ceiling like upside down. That's how much downforce it creates.

Wow.

So there is there's physics and everything.

So I decide I ended up watching the movie on or documentary on Netflix that I was telling you about the The Beyond the Curve, and I was watching it because I was told or I read that like they brought up some interesting like topics of debate for flat

And I'm like, wait, they said the physicists were.

The physicians said that the flat earthers were doing basically this whole movement because they're fucking lonely.

Okay, so they were just being haters and throwing shape right.

Right, And we hear that kind of jargon in the conspiracy realm altogether. I've had people that disagree with every conspiracy I'm like, how do you disagree with every single one of them? But whatever, they disagree with every single conspiracy theory, and they try and you know, almost like try and understand my mind as to why I'm so attracted to these things, and it's like, Yo, this isn't

I forget what comedian it was, but he it wasn't like a long joke, but he was like, so, y'all, they're the people that are throwing the shit on conspiracy theories. You're telling me you don't believe in one conspiracy. You're telling me the government has been one hundred percent honest, one hundred percent of the time. Really, like, I honestly, there's no fucking way that's a true statement. And yeah, one hundred percent.

And that's what As far as uh people in the science community that have the education and have the knowledge and have the access to the you know, further in depth information, I'm gonna be straight up, I think that I'm not gonna say it was the education system that gave them this point of view, but I really do feel like they have a very straight line path that they typically take, and I'm going to be straight up with calling it out on it. There's a problem with that.

I did try to.

Make it a little bit interactive as well, because I'm gonna be honest, and I think everybody can agree science is boring as fuck for the most part. So the it's kind of like being in class again, you know, if you want to actually pay attention, you got to make it a little bit interactive, which one of the dimensions thing is in there. So I think a lot of people, especially on the spiritual side will like this little thing I'm gonna do, but we'll see what happens.

But it's starting.

With history, you know, starting with the religions. It's amazing to see how many religions basically across the board originally had a not just a flat earth model, but a

I will be honest.

The Babylonian one is a little bit gross because he cut the other god up to make the firmament, which is a little gross, but either way, they they have a flat earth, but with a firmament based idea. And it's just it's crazy that even back then, like people were matching with the same exact stories with basically how they how they viewed the world at that point in time.

People think that because they were the ancients that they didn't have the intelligence that we have today. Absolutely not. They were figuring out algebra by drawing in the dirt with their fingers and calculating stars to figure out what we would now call calculus. You know what I mean. It was insane. Now, I'm not saying every single human being of the ancients was to that level the right, right,

You know, Luke, just out of curiosity, are you trying to debunk flat Earth today?

No, I am trying to say that both sides are wrong.

Oh shit, all right, i'd say I like to hear.

Yeah, And when we get past the historical side, I actually I want to get I'm gonna ask both of the other question because I want to get a general idea of y'all's idea on what gravity is itself?

Oh okay, you know, I actually I'm already on your side. I disagree with both of the round and the flat I've been saying this for forever. I you know, changed my models from time to time, but I've just accepted, Dude, this fucking life is nothing but a dream, bro, and so like, is there even any form to a dream?

Anyway?

What are we arguing about?

Right right? And that's why I think, well, we'll we'll, We'll get to that in a second. So the pull me around one hundred BC came up with the epicycles for the celestial bodies, uh, suggesting that they had circular orbits as well. So it's sphircle with circular orbits of like the moon and what whatever else they could observe in the sky. At the time, that model itself lasted for a long time, all the way from one hundred BC to.

Four teen seventy a d.

So basically nobody at the time wanted to be like, yeah, you were wrong. So fourteen seventy is whenever Copernicus came in and decided to propose the heliocentric idea. After that you have Galilet supporting this argue by the phases of Venus at the time that they were able to deserve. And then Kepler came in with the laws of planetary motion. Then finally we get Newton coming in with the laws

Yeah, if anybody has never heard of the Number cult of Pythagorean followers, it is a very interesting deep dive to look into. You had to go into a was it. You had to be silent for at least a year before you could even be thought of as an initiate, and then it was like a seven year process to be a part of the Number cult. They had to make sure that you were like really about that life.

Yeah, big circles, big scary.

It's all about Big Circle at least don't want you to know this, but they're trying to hold back Big.

Circle from him.

So the guy's name was Hipassus Hypostas. It was around five hundred BC. Either way, Yeah, they killed him because circles are scary.

Then Archimedes came in and didn't he die while drawing circles as a matter of fact.

Oh yeah, that's not I knowing this information. Now, that sounds really suspicious.

Well, his city was under siege and Archimedes had actually built a bunch of war machines and shit, and once eventually his city siege like fell and they were being conquered. He was in the middle of drawing circles and doing his stuff. The soldiers came in to take over everyone. As they did, his last words were, don't touch my circles. They were like stepping on his art in the dirt that he was making, because he, I think was also at that level of autism where like he's hyper focused

So why is it that they disagreed with the circle so much the Pythagorans.

Because they were an irrational number and they were all about neat whole numbers.

He could could argue, it's kind of like a numerical OCD. Yeah, even though for some reason they like were okay with imaginary numbers.

Yeah, but like the whole number curvature in general, Well, the whole number is three hundred and sixty is a circle, right, that's a whole number.

But it's more like the like three point one four. Hi, Yeah, that is an irrational number. And they did not jive with these things. Oh.

They didn't like decimals and fractions and shit is what you're saying.

Right, So the Pythagora theme that we all earned in school was about the triangles, right, It was about these hard angles and hard lines and these things. And they understood circles, yes, But to say that you were using some sort of irrational number to guess tomate the circumference of was like, just compute sacrilege, yes, per their religious beliefs, one hundred percent.

Yeah, you get that curvature out of here, that's right, all right. So the quick question, well not quick, depending on how far y'all want to go into it. What is both of y'all's maybe not either idea or understanding of what gravity is.

Jonathan, you wanna go first, be my guess, sir. Personally, I am of the belief that gravity would be whenever an object has mass to it, it has its own form of gravity to it as well. That's kind of a property of mass. Now, how much gravity a object has has a lot to do with the mass of the object. For instance, an object that weighs one thousand tons is going to have more gravity than an object that weighs one hundred pounds. When you have something that is the size of an entire planet, it has its

Very well, very well. I actually used to be a lot more opinionated on opinionated on this topic than I am. Now, you know, I used to make the argument for density, and that's what was holding us down. To be honest, I'm just gonna be open. I really don't know, Like

Okay, So just based off of Jacobs because it's a little bit more easy to identify it. So yours would be considered a Newtonian idea of gravity. Would you agree with that?

I guess. But at the same time, it's not like Newton had all the answers to it, you know what I mean, Like an object is less dense and water, which is why it gets to a buoyancy point instead of going all the way down. Newton himself drank himself to death with mercury. So when like he was some sort of a you know, inherent genius, he had a couple of ideas that we would now call the basics of the laws of physics.

Yeah, here's my question though, you know, I was just thinking about this because clearly there is something, there's a reason why we all go down right like our feet or we're not floating, we're not levitating, we're not flying, We're always just on the ground. And maybe that's electromagnetism, maybe that's density or or you want to call it gravity or whatever. But you know, the thing where I

You know?

Like and those are kind of questions that I have. Maybe they're scientific reason, I don't know. But why does the gravity stop at the ground level? Is my question? Why doesn't it just keep pulling us?

But it.

Okay, if you dig a hole, you can still get into the hole. It's not like gravity stops at seal or stops at you know, the level of whatever the Earth is more dense than our.

Body right here. Your body has the human body was either made or adapted at whatever you consider to be able to not necessarily overcome, but to combat the effects of gravity. Kind of like how like deep sea creatures whenever they come to the surface, they die because their body is not used to that amount.

Of pressure or that lack of pressure.

Well, yeah, yeah, right, Or saying if most animals that die of old age in the ocean. It's actually because they can't swim that well anymore, so they kind of just start sinking and they can't control their float bladder. So it's basically the pressure kills them before they actually themselves die.

Right. But then there's other fish that do live at that depth and at that pressure because their bodies have been adapt to do so I'm with you one hundred percent.

I guess the light whales that can traverse both, right, I heard that.

Well, you know, my thing is is that if the argument for why planets stay in our solar system due to the Sun's gravitational pull to everything whatever, it is, right, but for some reason, you know, a power that strong isn't pulling my feet down through the dirt and through the clay. Do you understand what I'm trying to say. That might sound stupid, but like why does it stop right there?

Well?

I hear you, all right, So we live in a pressure of fourteen point six six ninety six, Okay, that that would be my thumb up there it is. That is the amount of pressure at atmosphere at sea level. Right, if you go up to the height of the rocky mountains, there's less atmospheric pressure. If you go down, there's more atmospheric pressure. Sure, So it's not that it's the same with like, like, how do trees grow up against gravity?

Well, and this is why I get stuck on This is why I get stuck on the plane of inertia. That makes more sense to me whenever referring to gravity, right like, we're kind of all walking on this like board, so to say right like and that would be you know, you got the double toll roid and then you have

I don't know.

I don't want to stick on it too long. It's just a yeah, curious.

And that idea the plane of inertia, So that actually works off of artificial gravity. What do you mean, So the whole idea of like a rotation or a spin or anything that would create some kind of centrifugal force, it's artificial gravity. That's not what our current understanding of gravity is. Even Newton's laws are not our current understanding of gravity. It it works, the math works, but it's not our full in depth understanding of gravity.

Okay, can you go into what our full understanding of gravity actually is right now currently? Say again, what is our full understanding of what gravity actually is? Then if it's not.

Einstein's series his theory of special and general relativity, which so again we'll do this real quick. So Newton's came up with the three laws of motion in the sixteen hundred, law of inertia, law of acceleration, law of action and reaction if y'all want to, we can get a little bit further in depth into those. But after that, that is whenever we get Einstein showing up in the nineteen hundreds,

Wow, let's go.

Then we get into special theory of relativity, which this is. I try to again, science is very boring, so I try to paraphrase it without taking like the actual message behind it away. But special relativity or relativeivity, I can't speak.

Words are hard. I get it.

Yeah, yeah, let me expand this. So argues that speed of light is a constant for all observers, regardless of their movement related to the light source. This helped us with time dilation. This helped us with length contraction. This actually also led to his equation of equals mc squared. Then after that he came out with the general theory of relativity, which states where special relativity applies to inertial reference frames basically objects in rest or objects moving with

Go towards you? It's going to roll towards the drop right, the dip.

Right, So that dip itself is called a gravity well. And of course the heavier an object, the deeper the well is going to be. And instead of necessarily a force pulling you in, it's just more of a either aggressive drop you could say that you're doing, or a fall that you're doing. The issue is that it works in a infinite direction, meaning that like instead of like your bed to where it is only one sheet, it works in all directions to where you have this kind

Okay, So it's kind of like those those things back in the day when you go to the mall.

Yeh little coins.

Yeah.

There, you you drop a coin, it would spiral and spiral and go down. But if we're talking towards our universe, that spiral would be the Sun and it's not stationary and flat. It's moving and it's pulling the coins with it and they're all try trying to fall into it, but they're unable to because they're trying to hit a moving target.

Yes, so if you actually those those little wells that you can put the coin in, that is a great representation of how the Earth's work with actually using the Earth's gravity, because that's what's making it go down. Now, Uh, where's it at?

So if it wasn't for the sun, would we not have space time? Then no, so space time itself. So when you look it back at like the Big Bang or whatever you want to consider, happen in the beginning, there was a expansion right before everything basically got like thrown out. That expansion itself was the so to say, fabric of space time, and it's still continuing to go.

But it's like one of those science things to where like they think it makes sense, like instead of saying these two are separating from each other.

The space in between is growing, but that actual.

Is not six in one hand and a half dozen in the other.

Yes, yes, and you'll see that a lot with science.

They like to make the gray area go in their preferred direction. Okay, But that that expansion that happened, that is actually space time itself. So before every all the material actually went out, the fabric, so to say, of space time was already expanding out.

Okay, Okay, I've heard somebody make the argument that the universe can't be all there is because it only works like in a like a in a containment system. So imagine that the universe is held within something else, like like a container, just hyperoechality. No, I mean like space planets, all the shit that is out there in space, including us, it's all held with within something almost like there's some kind of force or some kind of something that is

Accurate on a three dimensional plane instead of a four dimensional Okay, So just that that well that you see there, imagine that if you can in infinite directions.

But what is the blanket that is? That is.

Space time one word, and I'm actually I've got something for that that I think you're gonna enjoy a lot, all right, Uh, specifically, I guess the uh I like to say spiritual instead of woo woo.

I don't.

I don't know why, like people had to put some kind of negative effect on woo woo.

But because they disagree with it, right, that's really it. I mean, I don't. I kind of I kind of wear the woo woo as a badge of honor like somebody, I don't know, Like you know, it used to be like a demeaning term to call somebody a conspiracy theorist. And now you know, they like we're right, so yeah, and it's like, you know, it's just the under fortune tellers. It's just the misunderstood, you know. They they look at it like oooooooooo magic. It's you know, I don't know, it's stupid.

So once he established special and general relativity, we get the space time curvature to where gravity is not a force but a curve in space time. Large objects been the fabric of space time around them that can cause other things that are going near them to affect their path. Geodesics is the straightest possible path in curve space time, So that's basically like imagine a straight line. The geodesics are where it actually starts curving because of the curvature

Okay, so let me ask you this. Then that hole the ship that Jacob always tries to bring up like a sniper trying to hit something from two miles.

Away into that. Yeah, okay, we're going to get to that, all right.

Cool.

So it came up with time dilation to where Tom runs slower in their massive objects. That's why you know, I have that constant saying of like if you were to actually get sucked into a black hole, you would be able to watch the universe basically end because Tom would slow down so much for you that everything else around it would basically go and fast forward. Oh, the movie Interstellar is fucking amazing. I love that to everybody

Wow. All right, yeah, I like that even more now. I kind of figured that it was, you know, on some scientific shit you know about it, Like towards the end of the movie, whenever he's trying to talk back to his daughter or whoever he was talking to, and it's like he's right there, and I kind of just imagine that's where that's like where you know, the unseen forces are whatever they are, ghosts or angels or gods or whatever probably are.

And it could be.

So then we end up getting into uh, of course, light ends up bending in the presence of gravity, we ate gravitational waves, we get black holes. There's further field formulas for all this stuff, but I doubt anybody wants to actually get into that, because that's whenever you get into the formulas that like when you see the classic picture of like a fucking big ass blackboard that's got

That's that good will hunting shit.

Yeah.

Yeah, Although Oddly enough, even though this is how we understand gravity, now, that's not how it actually works at the atomic level. So like whenever you get to atoms with electrons, protons, neutrons, because they're so small, you got to think the amount of mass they have, they obviously don't have a very large impact on space time. So the electromagnetic forces are actually stronger at that point in time than gravity is. So that's basically the controlling factor for atoms themselves.

Right, Electrons will be negative, protons are positive, neutrons are neutral. So basically you have the electrons repelling against the nucleus but also being withhled and close enough two because of the electromagnetic force.

Right, And that's when that's whenever when he came out with with special and general relativity, that's whenever basically quantum mechanics was born, because we kind of had the foundation for atoms being you know, more electrical than they were gravitational. Okay, so actually this is going to be one of the other, uh interactive things in the spiritual community. I'm trying to remember, is it that they believe that we're it's three dimensional beings? Right?

Well, the physical body is a three dimensional being.

Yeah, okay, so I have a little exercise for everybody. So obviously.

With our eyes, we can notice length, right, and we can notice height, and we can notice width. Now, if if you and if you're in a car, please don't do this, just kind of track it in your mind. But if you walked forward, right, you realize that you went from this place to this place and it took a certain amount of time. Right. And if you're in a car, obviously you you were at this spot you drove and you realize you were here. So that is

Now, time being the fourth dimension, space time, space time being the one word one word space time. Oh okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Go a little more on that one. So you're saying that basically the time that it takes from you to get from point A to point B is the fourth dimension.

Yes, so the the basically the the traversing of the

Now given it, it.

Definitely isn't enough to overcome you know, the building that's next to you or anything like that. It's really not even enough to you know, warp any kind of roads or anything similar to that. Like a bug can still fly by you and not get pulled in because it's our mass isn't much at all.

So you're saying, like a tree is a third dimensional entity because it doesn't move through space time, it's stagnant. Any object that is able to move from point A to point B at all, movement across this Earth is what classify as somebody or something as a fourth dimensional being.

In the scientific community. I guess you could say that. Yeah. Now, I guess you could also argue that the tree is on Earth, which is moving through space time.

Now, maybe you.

Could argue whether the tree realizes that it is traversing through space time, that's what doesn't make it a fourth dimensional being. I guess you could.

Say so, the acknowledgment is what makes it a fourth man or. But see now, when you say it like that, that's true. If again, if we are to acknowledge that the Earth is flying through space and that the entire Earth is moving, by that logic, pretty much everything on Earth would be a fourth dimensional dot dot dot because it is all moving through time space, correct, right, Okay.

That's why I will argue this time and time again. I think that spiritual things are directly linked to scientifical things. I think scientific things are just our understanding of how the spiritual actually works. Like I a lot of this I try to stay away from, like religious matters. But like you could argue, whoever you believe and religiously like they have a certain manipulation of matter that they know about in order to do things like, for example, Jesus

Well, they do say that science is catching up to spirituality, right, like there's that old adage, but like, you know, who was it that created Was it the Chinese that created the yin yang? Right? And the yin and yang? You know, whenever you start what was it, like uh oh, there's some kind of sell or atom or something. Whenever you zoom all the way in on it, it looks like an actual yin yang and it's like damn, all right,

Yeah, in some aspects I saw that I saw the picture of I don't remember either whether like what kind of material it was, whether it was an atom or whatever it was, but the amount of accuracy that that thing had comparative to the yin yang was absolutely crazy.

Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, I'm gonna try and find that because there is a term that I can't think of. I'm gonna search for it. But y'all keep on talking if.

I'm not mistaken. That was actually as you were talking about fluid mechanics earlier. It was more like the vortices of these two components that were entwined within each other, and whenever you track those vortices and take a snapshot of it while in motion, it is in the shape of what we would call a yin yang, but it's more along with the lines of fluid mechanics.

Like you said, before I even researched it, it came to me it's quantum entanglements. That's what it is. The quantum entanglement shows the yin yang.

And I'm gonna be honest, whenever I actually started doing further research into the quantum world, I was kind of upset because, like, yeah, I understood that it it has more to do with the micro level than it does

So it's not.

Like I know a lot of people whenever they first came up with a string theory, they were like, Oh, I wonder if there's another Earth, like somewhere, you know, across the universe, because you know, our atoms could be entangled and you know, basically representing each other across vast instances. And it just it sucked because I was like, that's there's no way, because there's way too many things that would cause it to become untangled. I guess you could say.

There is a possibilility though there is a greater than zero percent chance that that sentence is accurate. However, I agree with you that it's like the chances of that are so minuscule I would personally call them negligible. But there there is still that slight chance for sure.

I mean, there's there's a slight chance of a sentient fart in the universe that's greater than zero. Right like, in an infinite universe, anything's possible at that point, rightthing's in space.

I fucking I love that show.

Suh. They got a.

Little bit wild for a little bit, especially like in the first season, but they.

Pulled it back.

Yeah.

So I got a another little fun fact that I hope everybody will like. So there was a statement that was made. The statement was, according to general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable, or in such space there would be no propagation of light and hence no possibility of existence. Do you want to know who made that statement?

Sounds like an Einstein thing.

It was indeed Einstein, and that was him basically coming out and saying that space time as one word, is ether.

Ah, there we go. That's the fabric of you know, that's the bedsheet, right.

It's not the same spiritual understanding as ether like originally was, but it you could argue it's a more precise definition or precise like example of what ether is. So the light waves are able to travel across space time because there's there's something actually there. There is space there, not as in like you know, you look up in the sky and you know you see space, but it's like there is a area for it to travel through.

Yeah, it's like that idea.

Nothing is very hard for us to grasp just in general. So there's obviously not nothing in between all of space.

Right, it can't be emptiness like in the old the old adage that like nothing has never existed. It can't mean like it's never existed, So how can it be nothing? There's no such thing as nothing.

And that's what they're actually working on a theory right now as to what was going on before the Big Bang. They have a name for it, but I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was basically like a just very very hot area. M yeah, they from what I was reading, they it's really not anything worth looking into yet.

But it depends on the source too, because now we're talking about allegedly four point six to four point eight billion years ago or something like that, or even further back. And you know, it's like, where are you even getting the test to give you an age gap for that? You know what I mean. It's like you said, it's not worth committing a lot of thought to. However, it is an interesting thing to ponder. Well.

A lot of those images that are coming from that that web telescope, James web telescope, dude, I mean, I don't know what to make of it. I mean, sometimes, yes, sometimes I think that space could be fake and gay, but then you look at those pictures and it's like, all right, that's that's interesting because it takes pictures of what our area of the universe looked like before it got here, and it's like, how are you even able

I forget where I heard it said, but it was like, science makes a lot of sense, even even the most atheistic scientists out there. It all can make sense, but you have to account for at least one miracle in order for everything to make sense. Some may call it the Big Bang, and that's an overarching theme. But basically, like you said, nothing has ever not been right, Like

If the beginning thing though, but if there ever was a beginning, you know, And there's an argument to be made on the other half or on the other side that like why are we to assume that there is a beginning and an end? You know, Like that's just the way our minds work. We watch a movie from beginning to end, we do our jobs from beginning to end, you know, and like all the different ways that you experience beginning and ending, and so that's kind of how

It's both at the same time, honestly, but I mean me with the religious side of it, it's very easy to see where I'm going next. But toance your point, yes, there had to be something existing outside of it, and something that has always existed. I'm with you one hundred percent, man.

Yeah, and so not even speaking about like the beginning or the creation of the universe. When you're talking about miracles, we're going to talk about literally life starting on Earth itself. Like I still to this day, I don't believe in the evolution theory because the the statistical improbability alone of again, not even the universe itself starting, but life starting and not getting constantly destroyed over and over and over again on a repreditive cycle. Because of how many different things

So you say evolution that you disagree with. You're not talking about adaptation slowly over. You're talking about complete species jumps from things like this, okay, making.

Sure, Yeah, Now, adaptations are are natural, and you can have some that develop very quickly, you can have some that are more exaggerated that take a longer time, Like the tribes for example, that can you know, hold their breath for twenty minutes underwater because their whole you know, tribe has been diving for food and uh right whatever for you know, a thousand years. Meanwhile, they're going to get better over time.

Meanwhile, most of humanity, if your brain doesn't get oxygen for four minutes, you start to suffer irreputable brain damage. Meanwhile, that tribe can go free diving for twenty minutes at a time. I'm with you one hundred percent.

Now right, And fuck I lost my train of thought with that.

Tom species jumping in evolution. How it's statistically impossible.

Yeah, So, like I'm not even talking about just like black holes, because like we can talk about quasars, which are absolutely fucking terrifying. Like you that, if I'm not mistaken, that to this day is the most destructive thing that we have observed in the universe. You're talking about a massive, massive load of energy literally getting shot out of a black hole like a plasma cannon, and it travels at

They still don't know of Jupiter, like I said earlier, as a gas giant, we don't like as we know it has a core now, right, yes, yes, now. The only reason for the longest time we thought that it was just a giant ball of gas is because the hurricane that's on it, which by the way, has been changing shape for the past few years. It's pretty wild. It went from an oval to more of a solid circle form and we still have no fucking clue why

So now we're gonna get into a part that I would say is going to be Jacob's least favorite part.

Oh, so that means it's gonna be my favorite part.

Yeah. I like I like how I like how you scooed it out.

You're like, all, let's go, Yeah, let's go.

So numbers, okay, so we we know what variables are, right, So, like in an equation, a square plus b squared equals ce squared. Obviously A, b and C are variables. The issue is most people don't understand that numbers are also variables. So if you have the number two, right, two feet is different than two meters. Right, a meter is different than a foot. The two is the variable that is what can change. Right, And when we don't know all of the variables, the equation can looked correct, but it

You have two pairs of pants, but.

I was looking for the amount of legholes at the bottom. But it can still be shown as one pair of pants plus one pair of pants. What you're saying is two one is a variable? Yes, contacts matters one hundred percent. And when we're in this kind of you know, universe, where there's so much context that we don't we still don't know about, you can't just simply say one plus one equals too, like in its simplest form, when we know what one and one represent, then yes, we can

The issue is that later on.

Edward Hubble made another test experiment that proved that Einstein was wrong and that the universe was continuing to move. Now, to further go into that issue, that constant now is being used in dark energy equations. Right when you don't know all the variables, you can't say the math is one hundred percent. And it's not like I say, it's not Einstein's fault because at the current time, the understanding was the universe was static, it wasn't moving. He didn't

They're not concrete.

Fudging the numbers so to say.

And maybe not even that, because I would say that that adds a a malicious or yeah, a deceptive tone behind it. I think that science just like say straight line instead of oh well back to the pythagon pythagoreans.

But.

Ignorance, right, and yeah, it could be yeah, per definition, Yes, it could be ignorance of them just not knowing that, you know, the universe is moving. But the main issue

Right.

Science is ever changing and ever evolving in that regard, but usually when a new theory replaces an old one, it can explain why the old theory was accepted for the time and show why this now replaces it.

Right, right, So like that's literally what general and special relativity did to Newtonian gravity. So it it like Newtonian gravity, the math still works, but relativity explains it in a more detailed and perfect, so to speak.

Away, so it just matched better.

Right, Okay, So basically the scientists they're doing their best. They're not necessarily trying to deceive anybody. Some might not, some might not. For sure, yeah we can't. We can't you know, tie everybody into the same thing. But you know, we might think, okay, well this is what science has discovered, and so we're like, all right, well the science is they clearly figured it out. They understand you know, certain formulas and they and they know all of that. But

Right, So, like, for example, we know that a majority of what we view as empty space is now mainly filled with dark energy, and dark energy is a newer concept that we still don't know a lot about, well, how many of the older equations worked because there was a dark energy variable in there that they didn't know about, right, you know, it is further expanding and further you know, it's mainly just about not necessarily like so for the flat Earth people, of saying like, oh, you're fucking stupid

Sure, it's it's ever changing.

That's what's really amazing about science and about physics. But I think a lot of them are just too resistant to change.

Well, everybody wants to say trust the science, and it's like, dude, science isn't even necessarily looking to trust itself, Like that's not the goal of you know, trying to get to absolutes. It's not that, oh we trust it. So it's true, and that's why you know a lot of the people, especially within the flat Earth realm cannot fucking stand Neil

Yeah, And I think I think a lot of why they put him on the front is because he does have a nice voice. He does have a a good show that he puts on to like keep people attracted, keep them entertained. But yes, his his such matter of fact way of speaking is really really annoying.

Yeah, I get that. I mean Bill Nye was the same way for a while, wasn't he. He still is that guy back in the day, back when we were kids watching Bill and Iy the science guy. Right, he was entertaining and it was fun and it was this type of thing. You listen to him now saying that gender is something that's on a spectrum and it's like, oh, okay, bro.

He's not even And the thing is is that he's not even a scientist. That's the crazy thing about Bill Knight. You're a fucking actor, bro. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, stay in your lane.

I just I can't stand back to what I said before, Like I can't use the example of him not being a scientist, because, like we talked about, you know, the beginning, people weren't and there are still people today. Like I was gonna suggest y'all did a possibly an episode about this one guy. But he ended up making his own time machine. He was like this not gonna say isolated guy,

I would love to know, as a former electrician, what he was trying to do with step down transformers to try to make a time machine. I'm not saying he's crazy. I just want to know where his mind was at.

He shut off the power to the entire city at one point in time, that's how much power he was pulling.

Did he have to get that bad boy up to eighty eight miles an hour?

That's what ee, My guy was going way faster than that. He apparently like teleported a hamster and then he ended up disappearing himself after his final experiment he did or whatever he vanished. They don't know where he went.

Not trying to be a dick, but do we know for sure vapor right right, I would say, the transport a hamster or fucking vaporize it. Yeah, he then did the same thing to himself. I don't know.

He very well could have, yes.

Okay, because I mean there is a certain level of electrical power that literally if you touch it, like I don't even know if there's math to know what the calorie output to your body would be. But it's more like they may find a pinky nail, you know what I mean? Like that's real shit.

It's like no, it's like a lot of people don't understand like how powerful some of the.

Materials that we have are.

Like for example, we had a X ray machine there at the shipyard that we would h X ray castings, and uh, these castings are like six foot thick, and when it shot it it could do a X ray shot in about five seconds. The entire walls of this room were lined with ropes because once it was turned on, you had three seconds to go to a wall pull

Yeah, and people don't understand that that's that is real science.

Yeah, and it's if I'm not mistaken, it might be the strongest X ray machine in the world.

I believe it, ma'am.

So just out of cure. Is this the data that you're talking about, Mike Markham, Yeah, okay, so it's a tiny article. I just want to understand a little bit more. But it says Mike market in.

His face, he looks like he's bugging out of his mind right now. But at the same time, when you're operating this high of a level, I mean, what is normal at that point?

You know?

I mean, bro, if you're teleporting yourself, you've probably seen some shit, you know what I'm saying. But bro, he looks like.

He's seen that.

There's also probably a lot of static in that room.

Probably yeah, no doubt, so, it says Mike Markham, the man who worked on a time machine and then mysteriously disappeared. There are many stories in the world about very ingenious people who have tried to create incredible technological devices capable of achieving what the scientific community tells us is impossible. This is the case of Mike Markham, a man who tried to create a time machine in his backyard, but it mysteriously disappeared in early nineteen ninety five. Mike Madman Markham,

Holy shit, my god here. In two thousand and five, Mike resurfaced on the Coast to Coast, claiming he was alive and well, but his house in equipment were destroyed in the fire. And then in twenty sixteen he moved to Hawaii and launched a GoFundMe campaign to try to recreate his experiment. And he's not been heard from since.

And maybe he started the fires.

Oh shit, the Maui fires were started by Mike Markham trying to jump into the future again. But at the same time, he's gone silent since twenty sixteen, So is it possible that he was able to complete the experiment and make the time.

Jump at a It could also be because of maybe some kind of gravitational force. Maybe he died but also lived.

Maybe he's in that uh, in that Matthew McConaughey dimension.

It could be my guy literally went to Mike. My guy literally went to jail and said, when y'all let me out, I'm just gonna do it again.

Fucking fucking do it again. And I mean, dude, if you look at the picture of this guy, I mean he clearly if he was going to school for electrical engineering, he was trying to do this. He had some sort of brain power. He he he looks.

All he needed that all he needed was white hair and some hair gel and literally Doc Jones.

Give him a lab coat and let him be an alcohol like that motherfucker is rick.

There we go.

But yeah, I love it people that don't have the title of scientists like they they do crazy shit all the time, and a lot of time it works.

So there's also a lot of times in those experiments, not just with electricity, but there's a lot of times when shit really goes south when people fuck around like that.

Oh yeah, absolutely was that one.

It was like a middle school kid that accidentally created a nuclear reactor in his backyard.

Yeah, there was another guy that created one on purpose. And then oddly enough, in shop classes, people accidentally create hydrogen bombs like pretty often, like just small, but they still have a pretty good destructive force. And I was I was very upset when I first started getting into the conspiracy community and I found out about the Philadelphia experiment.

Why Christianity doesn't have a dog in the fight on transportation.

Old old Christianity views like Bible thumper, like to the max of uh that is dinner table or you're gonna get possibly backhanded.

Yeah it must be the devil, Yeah, gotcha, those types.

Yeah. He I mean, everybody gets older better with age, and he he mellowed out. And I think a lot of it too, was not necessarily him actually being like that, but me being a young kid and seeing like a stern man, it just gave me that vibe kind of like you you know, you don't want to bring any dumb shit to your grandpa, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I feel that.

So going on to the Coriolis effect, So there's a lot of aspects that go into this, Like you could talk about weather patterns, you could talk about how the rotation might go into affecting a projectile's path. I really wish that they would actually separate these two things because like, yes, it's caused by the same thing to say, but it I feel like there really is a separation between weather patterns and projectiles.

There is. Wait, I've never heard this be equated to equal things.

Right, and it's a I guess like the effect can cause them both and that's why they lope it into the same thing. But I'm gonna be honest. As far as the weather patterns, I think it is pretty easy to say that it could be temperature differences along with pressure differences that cause storms in different areas to rotate in different directions with cooler errors coming up. So as far as the flat earth thing goes, I feel like they might have accidentally fell into like an easy one there.

You've seen the experiment with the water on one side of the equator, versus the other. And then on the equator right.

Where it goes down like how it actually rotates.

Yeah, you like stops the water and you see it stagnant. He pulls the plug out the bottom, and on one side of the line it goes one way, he stops it and does it. On the other side it goes the other way. And if you go on the equator, there's no spin. It just goes straight down.

Yeah, So that's been proven to be fake. It doesn't.

It has to do with the actual shapes and where the water is poured in at and how the angles and directions of the drains work. Same thing with the toilets. So that's actually not the Coriolis effect whatsoever.

I'm not No, not the way he pours it in and then hits it, like he puts a little thing in the middle of divider and stops it and he like waits for him to get completely stagnant and then pulls it from the bottom. That's been proven false. Yeah, okay.

And then as far as the projectile.

I I will admit that projectiles definitely do have a Magnus effect to him, maybe not as much as some of the more spherical things. Like whenever you throw like a curveball. I guess that would be the easiest way to uh describe it. Magnus effect to where there's a pressure difference on the other side which causes it to curve.

My thing with the Coriolis effect with as far as projectiles go, take away rifles, any kind of those shots look at like artillery, right, look at like naval batteries, things like this. They absolutely have to account for the rotation of the earth. When it's a long shot like over my not you know, a couple thousand meters even like it has to be a very long shot to even make that worth it.

But at that point in time, you're talking about, oh, we we can get into it after this, because I'm gonna end up getting into curvature after this.

Okay, this is from JOHNS Hopkins, Yeah, Johns Hopkins newsletter. But it says water does indeed indeed drain clockwise clockwise fuck me, in the Southern hemisphere. It also drains counterclockwise in the Southern Hemisphere. In fact, it drains whichever way it desires, it desires, regardless of geographical locale. M So there you go, debummed.

Right, So what we know about curvature is that it's eight inches per miles squares right, allegedly.

Allegedly. Fuck.

I always try to remember what the the ancient alien guys say.

But aliens, yeah, yeah, thank you.

I love that guy.

I love like he became a meme and then found a way to capitalize on that and now he just goes around to comic cons and just does the thing and like makes the money. I am not mad at him for that, Like.

Good for him, you know, no, absolutely not. So one thing that I find interesting about this I remember was it was it Dave that brought up that picture that he had to where the city skyline was like so far of a distance away from him, and they would say like it was because of a superior mirage. That was the reason why you could see it.

Yeah, I think I remember him saying it for sure. I don't know if he's the first to come up with this, but we definitely had that conversation for sure.

Yeah.

So if anybody has a picture that they actually want to test this on and they can know the distance between like where you took the picture and where that you know building is, so of course we have the equation for curvature to determine like how far down it will be. We actually have two different equations for the

Chung Lee. Yeah, so I I should say that. And that's not his real name. It was a nickname because he kind of had the squinty eyes and ya, but he wrote with it.

Yeah, So that actually made me go into a whole entire investigation of that situation itself. So oh yeah, and at I couldn't find where he was attributing the Coriolis effect to like him hitting the shots. But I was like, I know for a fact that Jacob has probably seen and read an immeasurable amount more than me on military shit. So I got no doubt in my mind that's somewhere like they have him saying that, because he probably did.

Below the horizon.

You could say that maybe they just accidentally fired, but I'm gonna tell you now there there's no way in hell that you knew that that boat was there to begin with. Because the thing is, and like I told you before, yes, all of the people that try to measure curvature with light, that doesn't fucking work because we know for a fact light bends with gravity. Sonar bounces all around, and it also will get affected by gravity

He was using it. The example I was talking about was him using it to hit land buildings and things like that. So he started he revolutionized the way that naval artillery is used to affect the ground troops. And don't get me wrong, he also won a slew of naval battles ship to ship warfare. But he was basically using the long guns on the naval ship to be artillery from the sea. So he was hitting a stagnant target by using the measurements, and he didn't he didn't

Right, and yeah, and that makes sense. This is the ones that I was looking at. These were all like naval battles ship versus ship.

So a ship that.

Is two hundred and twenty feet below curvature, your radar is not seeing it. You're not seeing it because obviously even with a sphear of mirage, like you're not gonna it's not gonna be going up that high.

Would my planes be able to radio back and give you the exact location on those though?

That could be possible, but that was not in the reports.

Okay, that's fair, and it's it's not an aircraft carry he was only destroyer.

Ya.

I mean, you know, I figured there would be communication throughout it's like a long ship.

Yeah, and there could be, but it's it's not just this was the longest one. The average was about twenty thousand yards where they were getting confirmed hits. That leaves curvature to about eighty to one hundred feet, which is still higher than the tallest ship during the during World War Two was the Yamamoto, which was about seventy feet without antennas, and antennas are too small with the rounded bars and all of that to accurately reflect back radar.

So the eighty to one hundred feet or the two hundred feet that you're talking about, that would be the height at which it wouldn't be you know, wide eighty two one hundred feetorwo hundred feet you're talking about. They would have to angle that bullet or whatever they're shooting almost downward, or have some kind of peace of mind that would say, all right, I'm gonna arch this bullet up so high to account for the two hundred feet of curvature of where they're at.

Yeah, and.

So I was watching a video of this guy. He ended up writing a long range shooting like book. Basically whenever he was going into like using the Coriolis effect, it the Corellils effect itself, even whether you have a small round or something as large as what they were using on the ships at the time, the effects of the Coriolis effect on these actual rounds going through the air. Yes, if the earth is rotating, it does have an effect

Two.

Never once were they actually accounting for Coriolis effect. They were actually measuring wind speeds, measuring where their other shot hit. Because it it literally was like like you remember whenever we were younger and we were fucking playing tanks on computer, you know, in fucking school and shit, and you shoot your first shot and you see where it was, and then you're adjusting it.

You know, that's what.

Them and their spotter are doing. It's you're not going to hit that shot on the first try, obviously if you're shooting at you know, two thousand yards, because there's so much there's so many other variables that are affecting

So he actually had to get with the Naval Ordinance Group and tell them that their charts were incorrect because he was able to accurately make shots at ten miles away and they were saying that can't be because these charts show this, and he was like, Okay, I guess I'm fucking wrong. Hey, let me know what's about to happen, and this, you know, I'm telling you the man was another level of weaponized autism.

And I'm not gonna lie to you. I also thought of the idea of is this science being wrong or is this military pledging numbers? Yeah, you know, kind of like, oh, look at how big this fucking fish I caught.

Uh huh, Look I'll tell you what. Go check out the fat electrician. He did a video on ching Lee and he talked about how this happened over the course of time where basically the Navy had to decide, look, if the man said he's doing this, let him fucking go. Because he had a lot of haters. He had a lot of people that were saying like, oh, that can't be well, that's why do you need those types of guns on that ship. He's like, cause I fucking said, so,

It's kind of an up, up and down of like figuring out, you know, when you're looking at documents like this, because I mean, obviously we know that history may not all be alive, but there's definitely lies in there. So what does it matter if you know they confirmed a shot that you know, wasn't as far as they actually said it was, especially because I think the longest one actually wasn't a American ship if I'm not mistaken, It was a Japanese ship that actually hit that distance.

Damn.

I mean, there is a lot of factors that would go into that, like you know, obviously the weight of the bullet, the force in whenever that force starts to die, there's gonna you know, you have to add that kind of math into it. And then there's also like the atmosphere and you're dealing with mist off the oceans and the winds that are all coming in. So for this

But at the same time it hits a hit.

Oh yeah, sure.

And I interestingly enough, a lot of the time back then, with it being more nighttime battles, there was a lot more friendly fire. M So who's to say who was claiming shots that they didn't even shoot. So this is one part that I was actually I started doing and more investigating in because I'm not gonna say that I want to.

Encourage the Flat Earth.

Group, but I do want to try to point them in more physics directions. So like, for example, through the theory of general relativity, we understand that the Earth doesn't have to be spinning to have gravity. It doesn't necessarily have to be a certain shape to have gravity.

It just needs to be heavy as fuck.

So you know, you could have whatever type of shape that you could argue that if it does have corners, then it could create some kind of gravitational anomalies to where you would have a you know, a spike of gravity in this area because of the shape or indent that it is leaving in space time itself. But we know, I don't understand how they can confirm this one hundred percent still this day, because we've been what twelve I think it's twelve miles into the crust. That's the furthest

The issue like.

A double toroid image Jonathan, do you pull up all the time if you were to equate that to the magnetism of the Earth. I think that's kind of what you're going with here.

And that's what can you can you pull that up real quick because I'm trying to remember what it looked like.

Like a donut basically with the Earth not at the center, but kind of it's like a doughnut that is within and eating the Earth at the same time. Yeah, and I've always and that's the thing too, Like you said, the whole if the Earth had corners like it could have its own gravity, and if it was big enough, which is true. But if this was the Earth and gravity being what we know now, and mass and these things being what it is, the heaviest point of it

And we are actually about to get into that because there is an issue that I have with modern science.

So the issue with the.

Toy, I'm gonna fuck up saying it to tor Rope, please thank you, all right, got you, Doug. So I'm curious as to what is causing the separation there of the negative and positive field, because through magnetism, we know that those two would actually flow together.

Would that be the same as saying, what's causing the separation between a north pole and a south pole on a magnet.

Well, that's basically what that's the So the field right here is exactly what we have, except of the separation through the middle.

But a magnet has a middle point, right that is not north or south. Now it's like that very line that we would maybe think of maybe the equator or am I completely off base here?

No, So there there is a even flow. So there is no like literal, no magnetism part at all.

Yeah, I guess that's true. When you put a magnet in the middle of some iron shavings, they create the toroids, but there's no line in the middle.

I'm with you, right, So this, this field itself would actually flow into itself and it would go if you flip it upside down. That's actually what we would have because we know that the poles have switched whatever. That's why the so our geographic north pole is actually our magnetic south pole. Mm. That's why you see like the flow actually goes from the bottom up. It's because it flows from north to south on the outside and south to north on the inside.

I'm with you.

It's actually the same as the like the human energy field. Not to get too woo woo here, but I know that like during like if you do like some certain kind of guided meditations and you imagine that there is some kind of energy that is going from the top of your head down through your body down to your feet, and then you're supposed to picture that that energy is going through you and around you and then back up

That's so yeah.

So scientifically, that's how we know magnetism itself works. That's literally how it works, which is weird.

Yeah.

And it's another fun fact. Did you know that literally everything can be magnetized.

I did not.

Yeah, everything.

So magnetism all it is is a organization of particles. That's why if you smack something that's magnetic super fucking hard with like a hammer or whatever, it actually will reduce the magnetism because you're shaking up the particles. If you heat it up, then it completely right, right, because the particles start moving around because heat is energy. Particles have energy, they move around more so they become unorganized. So magnetism is only all it is is the particles

Because that gap.

So magnetism flows across the surface first and then it starts bas clee bowing out. So we have magnetism all across the surface of the planet that actually will create a new there and there is a new north and south pole inside of gaps. So for example, the Grand Canyon, so there is actually another north and south pole inside of that. But the issue is that the magnetic field is so weak that it's it's not going to be strong enough to pull anything to it.

Wow, I've never heard that before. You're talking about like when you bring a compass down there starts going to a different direction.

Yeah, so it because of you. So if you go to the.

I think it's the north side, because of how our magnetic field works. If the magnetic field inside of wherever you're at is stronger, yes, it could end up showing north as being south.

Wow. That is insane.

So yeah, there you go. Anything can be magnetized. You can take a piece of plastic and you know, put it up. The issue is, so we have something called a Hysteresis sloop, which is an equation that involves like how easily something can be magnetized, how long it'll stay magnetized, how easy does it give up. Magnetism can be associated with time, It could be associated with outside forces, some

In general, you're teaching me new stuff here, bro, I've only heard of haystoricity being talked about with like an instrumentation. You have certain metals that will give and bend and give and bend, and after a while, because of historicity, the metal will crack and the instrument will need to be changed out more or less a fancy term for the wear and tear, correct, right, right?

So, yeah, so we have a it's a loop that I think the beginning part is the ease at which it can be magnetized. The second part is how well it holds that magnetism, and then the third part is how quickly it will release that magnetism. So, yes, you can magnetize a for example, a piece of wood. It's just once you get rid of that magnetizing force, it'll probably get rid of the magnetism so fast that you wouldn't be able to use it as a magnet.

And if I'm not mistaken, conductivity and magnetism aren't necessarily related, but they are kind of connected in some way.

Right. There's there's so many fields across science that are so closely related that like yeah, they could easily go hand in hand like those two, or like sound waves comparative to light waves comparative to electromagnetic waves, Like yeah, I mean you're talking about three things that we all measure with frequency, right.

I guess that's true. When we start talking about things that are measured or at least observed in wave form, it can start to like Jonathan says, it may not be the same, but it rhymes if you will.

Right, And I would argue that they are the same for different purposes. So like, for example, we know that light travels really well and it bounces around really well, but it doesn't penetrate really well. We know that sound doesn't travel all that well unless it's through a really good medium, but it penetrates really well. We also know that electromagnetism is kind of really the best of everything. It goes through where they well, it penetrates really well.

Heat is another one, right, that's also measured in waves, and it transfers very differently depending on the medium that you're talking about with it.

So I'm with you, harm or And then that's another fun fact, y'all. I don't know if I've ever heard I'll talk about this before, but did you know that cold doesn't exist?

Yeah, it's just the absence of heat. Yeah, it's kind of doesn't exist. It's the absence of light, or even it doesn't exist, it's the absence of good yea.

So it's it's literally the so as far as cold, as far as darkness, both of them are the absence of energy. Wow. Yes, indeed, So back to what we were talking about with the core, and so we know it's iron and nickel. It creates the electromagnetic field. Uh,

So real quick, you're talking about on land, correct, because in the water, the deeper you go down, we're talking more of pressure on all sides.

Two different things, right right.

I'm just making sure we're on the same conversation. You're talking about if you were too, hypothetically try to dig a hole of China. Yes, I understand some possible, but for the example, bear with me talking about if we were to dig a ten mile deep hole. You're saying that at the bottom of that ten miles into the Earth's crust, there would be a least or excuse me, less gravitational pull on you than if you were at sea level.

Yes, wow, yeah, so I actually heard that before.

They I don't, I don't necessarily think it is one hundred percent true, but they say that like where we are, like right at the edge of the crust is where gravity is the strongest, and the further we go up, the weak Here it gets because I understand there they're saying, because obviously there is no actual solid mass above us, and as you go further down, there is less mass causing a gravitational well. So like that well, the further you go down, the less the well is actually affecting you.

Do we actually know how different that is? I assume it's like negligible but also measurable, similar to atmosphere pressure at sea level versus atmosphere pressure at the peak of a mountain. It's noticeable on a like with an instrument or something calibrated to register it. But it's not like we as human beings, if you were at one point versus the other, it wouldn't be something you would really feel that.

I don't know, but I know there are some very deep underground installments that we have across the world to where I would be very interested to see if there are measurable effects of that.

That is interesting.

But wow, one of my issues with this is so theory relativity. We understand core the Earth, there's no gravity, so you no longer have denser materials sinking to the bottom, but you still have a centrifical force. So how are we actually creating convection currents caused by sinking of more denser materials and hotter materials moving around to interact with the outer core to create the dynamo effect to create

So? Could it be because they are so hot? It's more or less like they're boiling unto themselves and creating their own current, creating their own spin, so to speak. And I'm not saying that, like I know this is purely hypothetical.

Yeah, and that could be.

But the issue is is that they've actually So this is one of the I think flat earth arguments about rotation, because rotation does have a little bit to do with the gravitational pull and the density of the materials to where it Without the rotation, you can't have the magnetic field because that outer core rotating again, because obviously there's a liquid underneath it, whether it is incredibly fucking dense because of pressure, that interaction between the liquid and the

So think about it like a.

I don't want to say, like the same thing as us having static through the atmosphere, because the atmosphere is creating friction comparative to the surface of the Earth. Yes, it's the same action, but inside of there, but with no gravity.

Okay, So I guess, like, uh shit, have yo seen those as a kid? Do you remember seeing those little plastic eyeballs that like you could roll across the ground, but the eyeball inside of it was liked in oil, and the eyeball didn't move, but you were able to slide across the ground. So it's something more akin to this.

I wouldn't say so, because you're you're still talking about two metals. So the the density of the iron compared to the nickel. Nickel helps go up, iron helps go down. Without gravity, you don't have that sinking or rising, and you actually only have the it. So the centrifugal force is very small because it being so far in. You know, we bulge out at the equator because of that, because the further you go out, the more of a force you experience from it. But on the inside. It's still there,

I'm gonna be honest. I don't think I've heard any flat earthers say that they believe that there's iron and nickel inside of the Earth. And again I'm not saying that's a throw shade to all the flat earthers, most of them, from what we have had conversations about and everything, don't believe that there's molten metal anywhere beneath our feet.

They don't think that it's paper thin or anything like that either, Like no, no, no, I don't want to make assumptions as to what they believe is underneath, you know.

And I think that's what issue a lot of physicists have is like they look at the disc model instead of just understanding that they're talking about the surface being flat or even just flat ish. Maybe it doesn't have to be completely level, but they can keep looking at it as a just a fucking CD disc flying through space.

It's like the argument of like which one's better Republican or Democrat, like you know, like the flat earth versus the globe eirth. And it's like so many people are so caught up in these two dichotomies that they will argue on behalf of whatever their belief is to the

Now?

Is that disproving the globe? Not disproving a globe, but it's disproving the model that we have of the globe. So I think that there's shit like that as to why you know that there are going to people be people that disagree on both sides because there are a lot of things that do make sense on a flat earth and there are a lot of things that make sense on a globe Earth. And it's just, you know, you got to get rid of a lot of the verbiage. I think you know, whenever you start.

Naming that's pointed in their direction, right right.

Right, shadow banning flat Earthers. Their content is all over the place, certainly.

Not gonna lie to flatter earth.

I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was gonna say, search flat earth on Google, and every single one there's not a pro flat earth website anywhere, Like you have to go on the tenth page to find a pro flat earth website. So that's shadow banning.

Okay, I'm matter of fact, I've never gone to Google for that. Usually if you go to YouTube and type in flat earth, like it pops right the fuck up.

But I got you on No, No, and even on on YouTube, it'll be the same thing. It's debunking flat Earth. It's like, no, I didn't ask for you to debunk flat Earth. I'm just looking for flat earth videos.

Wait right, Okay, so you should I look up flat earth or like proven flat Earth or like you know what I mean? Because if I was to look up uh something else that is by the vast majority of people seen to be false on Google, I would find debunkings before actual So like, how should I search this up? Because so if the flat Earthers are being shadow band like, I want to know about it.

Well, it's the algorithms. So it used to be you'd be able to go on Google or you'd be able to go on YouTube and you type in flat earth and you're gonna see Eric Dubay, You're gonna see all of the big names that are within like the flat earth kind of community, David Weiss and shit like that. Right now, let me just share this. So I just typed in. I didn't move anything. All I did was type flat earth on YouTube. Look at this smiling friends

Yessor Dave. He Professor Dave's kind of a dick, Actually not kind of he is a.

Dick, right, But basically it's like a lot of it. See Neil deGrasse Tyson demonstrates absurdity of flat Earth, and so everything is kind of pointing you in the direction of if you research this and you believe this, the majority of the masses are going to make fun of you and disagree with you. Well, that's not what I researched. I researched flat Earth, like I'm not looking for debunking things and the same thing, like let's check out Google right flat Earth.

But it's also because, like you said, the algorithm, most people when they search flat Earth don't believe. Most people on Earth don't believe flat Earth, So the algorithm would of course put it in the direction of showing debunking versus proving.

Oh, I'm telling you something right now, dude, Like it was like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, maybe twenty six I want to say probably twenty sixteen is whenever I really started looking deep into flat Earth. It wasn't hard to find any information on it. Like it's not. It wasn't hard on the main platforms, Google, on YouTube. All I did was type in flat earth on Google. Flat earthers? Why they believe what they believe? The flat earth theory

Instead of you looking at information as to why flat Earth could exist, I'm going to show you information as to why they're wrong.

That's right, right, So I that's that's the whole debacle behind the shadow banning kind of situation, you know. And the same thing goes, it's not just flat earth. You type in conspiracy, bro, it's going to be a bunch of articles that are anti conspiracy. And that's well for sure, And that's the thing, like that's the shadow banding.

Okay, fair enough, But I mean the point of conspiracy is because it's not believed by the main population.

I mean maybe it used to be, but more and more people are coming around to it, are you are you suggesting that there's going to be an algorithmic flop because more people are starting to pay attention to conspiracies. I doubt it.

No, No, I'm not really saying that. But it's like more or less because conspiracies are not Uh it depends on the conspiracy too, right, Like I mean, not everyone is widely known or widely discussed. Like if you were to type in JFK assassination, you'll find more conspiracy based things rather than official narrative things at this time, even though fifteen years ago that was not the case.

Uh well, I mean, I mean we can test it.

I mean, please do. I could be totally wrong in that, and like I'm not trying to like be that you know, contrarian guy right now, I'm I'm this is genuinely me asking, right.

So all I did was type in JFK assassination on Google, and you'll see how was JFK assassinated? Well, he was wading riding in a motor k with his wife Da Da Da the whole story. Uh, what were JFK's These are like certain things that people may ask. The assassination of JFK. It's gonna be the Wikipedia article. You think they're getting into conspiracies. Probably not. The White House, Well, they're declassifying a lot of it, so that's a little

Main science does a disagrees with flat earth. But you know what one weird thing is that they claim Earth may not be flat, but the universes.

There we go.

Verse is flat.

Scientifically, the universe is flat.

Let's discuss.

I mean, if it's that bedsheet, right, I mean a bed sheet would be flat.

Right, So if its size wise, like if you were able to shrink it down to a measurable size, like comparative to something we could actually like observe and measure, it's gonna be basically flatter than a piece of paper.

So there's no depth.

If you zoom in on a piece of paper. I mean you can see the thickness of it, right, Yeah, like you're you zoomed in far enough, so basically like that idea, like, yes, it does have height, but on a large scale it's flat.

Now when you say this, just from my own clarification here, Now we all remember the models we had to make in school of our solar system, right, and for the example, you always had the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, and all of them were like in a straight line away from the Sun, and they all rotate in all these things. I've actually never looked into this. This is completely out

It's kind of hard to tell because of the fact that the we're basically all following the Sun and its motions, so it actually gives more of a corkscrew effect. So we were even though we're rotating around the Sun, it's not a perfect rotation because we're trailing it a little bit.

Like the coin well example from earlier. They're all spinning trying to go down, but they're also trying to go down and hit a moving target, so they're basically consistently staying in rotation, right, got you, huh.

Yeah, it's right here have I'll go Oh no, I just typed in on Doug. Doug go as the universe flat, you know, they all have like their AI things, but it says yes. Current evidence suggests that the universe is nearly flat, meaning that parallel lines will remain parallel, and it has a GeoMed tree similar to Euclidean space. I don't know Euclidean space is though.

So basically, like you remember how we were talking about space times, instead of two objects moving away from each other, the gap in between them is increasing. Basically, the universe is not increasing up.

Oh, just out. It's expanding outward, but not in all directions.

Right And my opinion, that's very weird considering you think about the Big Bang, right, like that is going to be I mean, yes, you could have a cone of wherever that central point is of either it pointing in one direction or it being a three hundred and sixty degree like expansion. Uh. To me, it sounds like, no matter what, it should be expanding at least in all directions, right,

Agreed.

The question is, you know, when he's talking about rolling out the I forgot what the Hebrew word is, But could that be a explanation of space time itself using this you know, lateral expansion and the electromagnetic energy that we have that was originally released before the Big Bang that we can use to measure well that is domed, even though space time itself is not.

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

So could that could that basically an electromagnetic pulse that went out. Could that possibly be some type of firmament you know, idea? I don't know. I do tell you one thing is going back to the Earth model with the Einstein you know, relativity theory with it. Oddly enough, so if you have a flat disc, obviously the gravity is going to be really fucking weird there. You're probably not going to have enough mass to have an equal

Right. Well, the idea of of shield or the underworld or whatever, that that graphic and I could be wrong, but that graphic would only apply to the Earth. It wouldn't apply to the universe, right.

I would assume so because earthwise it makes sense, but universal wise no, because if the universe is not expanding up, then obviously it would not be expanding down and it would just be expanding in a lateral motion.

So it makes me think of like this, like whenever you shoot a gun. Let's say you're shooting a gun at some kind of rubber wall. Let's just throw it out there, like a pretty thin rubber wall, and you shoot a gun and that bullet goes through. You know, it's going through space time or whatever it is, right like, it's it is traveling at a speed and eventually it will hit that rubber wall. Well, that rubber wall is only going to expand in one direction, it's not going

Right like it would because it does not have any law of inertia. It doesn't have any outside effects on it. So with you shooting into the rubber, you know you have air density involved with it, you have the actual thickness of that. When we're talking about space time, as far as we have right now, we can't physically measure it.

Let me ask you this, and this could be a really stupid question. I'm not very well versed in the whole Big Bang ideology, but so the idea is is that basically everything that was ever created compressed into a tiny little thing. Let's just say, like a seed, right, and then that seed exploded.

Right.

Is that seed that is exploding or that little atom or whatever the fuck it is that seed that was exploding? Where was that? Like, was it already in space? And if that's the case, then space was already here before the Big Bang, like it had to be somewhere.

So you you could have a biblical standpoint of it or a scientifical standpoint of it. You could argue that if like space, time itself did have some kind of measurable amount. See, atoms are like legos. Everything can be added on to itself to create something else, to create something else. That's how we you know, create new elements. We end up combining more electrons, more protons, whatever, to you know, create non natural occurring elements like we're doing

Access to back doors and whatnot.

Right, and it could still So like one thing, I love using.

GTA for like a lot of exhalation. Yeah, So, like imagine you put like a cheat end to get like one of the fucking nice ass cars, right, you know that slight amount of lag that it puts in before

A little bit of L one, L two, R one, R two left down right up, left down right up.

Action absolutely.

Okay, And I could see that. The scientific or at least some of the scientific explanations that I've heard as far as the Big Bang goes is that, like you said, it all was helium at one point. I've heard others say that it was just random elements and one day two of them accidentally touched which caused essentially a intergalactic atomic explosion, and everything spun off of that. My thing with that is that goes against the laws of physics, right,

I just looked it up to it. So before the Big Bang, it was called inflation.

Imagine that inflation, meaning again it came from a point and has expanded outwards. See that even the ancients knew.

You can't have something go into a space that didn't have space before.

Fair right, Yeah, that was my point, you know, like, all right, let's say that it was compressed into one tiny little thing, and then you know the amount of pressure that was putting onto it. What the question is, like, where's that pressure coming from? If everything within our known universe is already compressed into this tiny little space to begin with, you know, like, how could there be pressure outside of space?

Where I heard it say that there was pressure though, or that things were condensed and then the Big Bang happened, I've I've never actually heard that.

So if if everything originated from a singular point like the Big Bank suggests, even though you have like a bunch of material like helium, obviously helium is very it doesn't have a lot of uh mass to it to begin with. But if you have a metric fuck ton of it in one singular area such as like like

Okay, because it's it again.

You have that large amount of mass just reacting with each other, bouncing off of each other, compressing even more but trying to expand because of the heat created.

Eventually you just get a boom.

And that you use the term for this earlier when the black hole basically like pukes out of plasma cannon. What's that called?

Quasar?

Quasar?

Yeah, they're fuck they're fucking terrifying.

I mean, black holes in and of themselves are terrifying. Like so the fact that light can't even escape the gravitational pull of it, that in and of itself is terrifying to me. Then when it gets so full that it basically jizzes out a plasma cannon that we couldn't even see coming if our lives depending on it, until we're already fried by it. Yeah, that's also pretty fucking terrifying.

Yeah, and especially when you think about, like at the center of the Milky Week galaxy, there's a super massive black hole that eventually is going to get to a point to where it's going to turn into a quasar, and that blast of energy is so much that like, yes, we have black holes, they are moving through our space, they have a velocity that blast from the quasar can actually affect their trajectory. That's how much energy is being shot out of them.

Jesus Christ, you're talking.

And that's what like getting into the whole wormhole theory. That's why I don't really know if I believe in it that much, because we do get expulsions of energy, so it obviously the matter is being held in there and not going to some other place.

Is it possible that some of it's going somewhere else and some of it's maintaining and staying there.

Because of the gravitational force of the black hole.

I think whatever goes in there, I mean, could you would have to say that the velocity of it being pulled in would be able to escape the exit velocity through the other side, which it would. I don't think it would be able to do that.

I see what you mean.

Okay, dude, you know what's crazy. I just looked this up. Energy cannot exist outside of time.

Yeah.

Yeah, that is falking wild, right.

And everything is losing mass and energy at a steady rate.

As we as humans are also running out of time by the second.

Yeah, well that's what equals empty squared energy masks are the same. You can look at space time as being a ether. It is a materialistic thing, which means it has mass, it has energy. It will be done eventually.

Yes, indeed, this is probably the most third eye opening conversation we've had in Quie.

Right, I'm about to We're about to go deep in a second because I have a I have an idea if y'all want to do it to where we fix the flat Earth model.

Let's go, dude.

So from what I what I what I've seen so far, I mean, we can do the Coriolis effect from you know, pressure different and says, you can argue how maybe the magnetic field might affect projectile trajectory. At that point in time, we know if we put some kind of mass underneath the flat earth and don't have a fucking CD rom flying through the universe, then we're able to have gravity. The only thing that basically like what part just got, proved to be correct over the past couple of weeks.

I have a theory of what you might mean, but I'm probably off base, Jonathan. Your thoughts, no idea. So I think it's more like if you drop a pebble in a pond and you see the ripple effect off of that. That's one way, but if you drop two of them back to back, the waves will actually inflict and break each other apart. Am I on track here? Completely off base?

Yeah, so that works with light as well.

Okay, so if you have a as a LightWave, you know you have a high and a low. If you have another light wave interact with that one from any angle. It doesn't have to be like straight onto each other. But if you have a high react with the low of a either reflected light source or another light source, it will actually cancel that light out and have darkness.

I've never heard this before.

But the Moon does reflect some just a little bit of infrared light right which crystals will actually do the same as well. And obviously if the Moon is a smaller light source it will reflec it'll create infra red light as well. Infrared light does a really good job of cooling things down, such as the observation we can make of things in moonlight being cooler than things that are not correct causes radiative cooling.

Yeah, if it's a full moon light, it's actually warmer in the shade than it is in the direct moonlight. Because the Moon's understood to be a cold source radiator.

So that scientifically that doesn't exist. A cold source radiator isn't a thing, right, So the infrared light itself helps create a radiating effect to where it helps things cool down because it is removing the infrared energy light whatever, that the object still has the heat that it has, which could also be an example as to why when whoever it was, did the shot of the moon and

Right, the heat waves off the road, like in the middle of the day. You're saying that the wave that goes across the moon that your boy crow triples seven that he observed with a camera that was more or less infrared heat waves that he observed.

Yes, which causes cooling. Doesn't reflect as well, so as there's not going to be as much destructive interference, whether it's reflecting, whether it's a crystal absorbing it, or whether it is a light source emitting it itself. So now that we know that, no, the Sun or the Moon does not block out physically sunlight, but it cancels it out. Now we can have twenty four hours in Antarctica twenty four hours of sunlight.

Wait, you're talking about the moon reflecting or at least breaking up the Sun's heat waves.

Yeah, saying that like visible light, it will if destructive interference will actually create a dark circle around the Moon, like wherever it is underneath it, it negates the light.

How does that equate to the Sun's position in the sky, and how for at least a section of time, we have a twenty four hour sun in an article, that's not a year round phenomenon.

That's right, all right, because we have yeah, we have a you'll have a twenty four hour darkness in the north while you have a twenty four hour light in the south. Same vice versa. They both have a twenty four hour light. So the issue was that obviously, in order to create a shade on the Earth, the moon has to be in some kind of position to physically block the sunlight from reaching that part of the Earth.

Where are you at with this, Jonathan?

A little confused?

Same same, Like, I'm making sure that you know how I'm like a way logical and analytical person. I'm like, okay, maybe i'm like over autisming this right now, and that's why it's just not computing. I'm okay, Yeah.

So imagine, imagine like you just have the sun right, no moon whatsoever. Okay, everything is going to get a twenty four hour light right because the sun, the Sun is sending out light. Light is going to continue to keep traveling, so everything will get light.

I'm trying to sit and you're talking about on a flat earth model. I'm trying to make sure that we're still speaking in that.

Yeah, don't get wrong, anybody listening, like I'm not. I'm not again, I'm not for the flat Earth, and I'm also not for the round Earth. I think they're lying about a lot of stuff as well. I'm just trying to throw out scientific based hypotheticals, because we know destructive interference is a thing. It happens with light waves. You can you can simulate it with water like what we were talking about.

We can.

There there are only certain devices that can actually measure destructive interference.

They don't really talk about it a lot.

So we're not saying you're saying that the moon is a light source in and of itself, or are you saying it's reflecting the Sun's light.

It could be seen either way. That's why I was like, you know, you could have in a scientific approach, it could be reflecting light in a destructive interference, meaning that the area around the moon is going to be dark, but it will still have infrared which would cause the cooling effect. Now, if it was a a crystal, it could still we we have literally we have a stone called a moonstone, and it does that with light exactly.

But how much light would the Moon have to either a be emitting or be reflecting back at the Sun for it to offset it to such a degree to where it only shines on one section of the map for twenty four hours, Like we're talking basically a second sun.

I mean, well, no, I'm saying that it so across the flat plane, sunlight's going to reach the entire thing. With the flat earth model. The only thing that's getting shaded is what is you know, basically on the other side of the Moon. With this, it is it things that are in front of the Moon will also be darkened.

But the flight I see what you get, right, Actually I don't. I don't really understand where you're going with this. Man. Well, I know a flat earth model, the Sun goes down to one section like a flashlight and it kind of rotates around it. Right, that's why, I'm how would the moon offset that based off of infrared light.

But it's still emitting the infrared light, but the actual visible light, the sunlight that you see that it is what it is negating, so you would have just the darkness.

Well, I don't know about all of the flat earth models, but the one that I'm most familiar with in they say that the sun and the moon are local light sources. So not necessarily saying that the sun is so powerful that it would like the sunlight would shine everywhere, It's that it's a local kind of thing, like a flashlight. Eventually that light is just going You're not going to see it, you know, the farther you're out, the farther out that you shine the sun or the flash light.

And the issue with that is, like what we do know about the way light works is from the normal flat earth model, it seems like there could be some like dimmer areas. What we know about light that it's not if you have the sun there, everything is going to be lit up unless it is being physically blocked by the moon or unless something is creating a destructive interference.

It's a deep one. It's a deep cut.

It is like I said, I'm just trying to point them in a physics based direction because like I looked at the you know, the stuff about Einstein's theory and basing stuff off of that. Like I said, we don't have to have necessarily a certain shape. We just have

Well, usually it's because they say that we can't trust science and we can't trust the education system because it's all you know, filtered through and we've only got and what they've allowed us to receive in this type of thing.

So which is true to it?

A natural in a sense? I mean you and I differ greatly on this point, Arnathan, but it's like it's a it's a distrust of academia at that point.

Right, So they just go all the way instead of just trying to argue it, they just go to there's no point in arguing with you because everything you say is wrong.

Essentially.

For example, I if it wasn't for the covid vaccines. I probably never would have questioned vaccines. I would have never even looked that way.

Right.

I would still be vaccinated my kids, I'd still be vaccinated myself whatever. Not that I was ever real big on like flu shot or whatever, but your initial shots whenever you're born. Sure, But whenever I saw the shenanigans with the covid vaccine, it made me lose all trust

I agree with you. I think that's usually where they're coming from. And some take it to an extreme level. Some pick and choose which science they accept, in which science they don't. There are certain people of a political ideology that believe that finding bacteria on Mars is completely confirmation of life, but an eight month pregnancy is not life somehow that equates in their minds as well, and it makes no sense to me.

But I mean, yeah, and I'm also I'm very confused about the whole life on Mars saying because and I'm not mistaken yet, Mars has like a barely minimal atmosphere, right, m So that means that a majority of like everything is banging the fuck out of the surface, right which.

There was a bunch of craters and shit. Have y'all seen the square they found like a building foundation on Mars?

Yeah, dude, that is now.

Again, if we are to believe that space is not faking gay to people listening, Okay, but that could potentially mean that someone or something at one point in time had structures built on the surface of Mars, which is crazy as fuck.

I mean, yeah, it there there was some kind of proof allegedly that there used to be at some point in the far distant history water on Mars, and I think that's one of the arguments about around like life on Mars.

Well, they found ice on it?

Ice? Well ice water yah.

Yeah, I'm a point though, like I'm And now we get into the hypotheticals of if there was ice, that means that at one point that was water. And if that's the case, did mares at one time have an atmosphere right and the whole surface being rust, meaning that there had to be you know, iron oxide, There had to be oxygen there at some point c oxygen. Now, like, what what happened? Was it a giant explosion that completely vaporized the atmosphere or something like that. There's so many

I think it wasn't one of their theories that the core like ran out, ran out of energy, because I think Tony was talking about it one time like our core mainly being powered by radioactive sources, which is true. A majority of it is like radioactive sources. So if we lose that, you know, no more dynamo effects and

Yeah, I think Tony actually brought that up on an occasion night episode. He has done a lot of work in that field similar to you, not with NDAT but some other type of like looking at radioactive isotopes and things like that. And to that point, Yeah, they can run out, they have a half life, they have a

Right, So do you know about the alpha, beta, and gamma particles? So do you know how they differ?

I used to know that off top, isn't it the waveforms that they take.

Well, basically like how they themselves work. So like alpha, like you can imagine it, it just hits your skin and bounces off. It can cause like skin cancer and stuff like that. Beta is typically only harmful if you ingest it and then it kind of bounces around like a crackhead sonic inside and then gamma. Gamma is the real issue. Gamma is like taking a twenty two but firing it at mock fuck at your body.

Yeah, it penetrates to your bones.

Yeah, and it'll it'll really fuck you up. That's why I don't if they find life on Mars of even a bacterial like whatever, I don't necessarily believe it because it's getting blasted by so much radiation that I really don't believe that there's anything that's going to be living there.

But cockroaches can live through all of the radiation on this planet correct.

To a certain extent. So is it when we're talking about getting blasted like that, I don't believe that they would. I mean, you're talking about an actual molecular change. At that point, you have gamma particles can literally hit your helix, your DNA strand and tear it apart. That cockroa changed about not shit.

Which I also think is that if and I'm not even saying that I believe the whole bacteria on Mars thing, you know, hypothetically speaking, if it was to be some sort of life on Mars, I think that a molecular bacteria type structure would be the only type of life that could exist. But then again, I'm looking at it and thinking about it through a human lens. Right, I'm thinking about carbon based life forms, and I'm thinking about what we would consider it to be life, living, breathing,

You know what I mean, If I remember right, we actually finally discovered something that technically wasn't a carbon based life form, and it was down at the bottom of the ocean around the thermal tubes and we found some I don't know whether it was a bacteria or whether it was an actual organism or what, but it it was similar to a carbon structure, but it wasn't exactly it.

I remember hearing about them finding some sort of life in those volcanic tubes, but I don't remember what it was because I whenever I found that, I then found out that we have something called a volcanic snail, and that kind of completely took my attention in that direction. Their shell is made of iron, they look like a real fucking dragon, and they just live next to lava. Because Pokemon, fucking Pokemon in real life right, But like, yeah, so I know they found something in the underwater back

And so, so what is your overarching theme here? You're saying flat Earth not not necessarily correct, round Earth not necessarily correct? What is the model that you are proposing for the people who may be in between?

If I'm if I'm thrown out a realistic view of what science says it more than likely is going to be a spherical model, but it is I think it's going to be larger than what they say it is if the numbers are swayed. And you know, we don't have a complete understanding because again we're just getting into dark energy. I mean, the stuff that I was talking

So who's to say what a.

Different even if like, for instance, like say we couldn't interact with a fifth dimensional thing, a fifth dimensional thing could easily interact with us.

You know, you.

A figure on a piece of paper wouldn't really affect you all that much, but you can obviously affect it. So what kind of effect that that is creating in our didn't like dimension that we don't know about, and that we're just throwing numbers at and making it work. I don't know.

That is at some point in time.

It's it's literally infinite possibilities.

So it says hot mineral rich flow would supply nutrient chemicals. Microbes, some of which eat these chemicals, form the base of the food chain for a diverse community of organisms. These vents are the only places on Earth where the ultimate source of energy for life is not sunlight but the inorganic earth itself. Wow, I can't find anything about their carbon based or not. I will be doing more digging on that later though. Good God.

Strange and that that's wild as hell.

So the your proposal is is that the Earth is probably a lot bigger, and that's why a lot of the math the flat earthers are attacking the globe Earth are about that. It's actually more it's more correct to just say that the Earth is a lot larger, which which does make sense too, you know, like they I saw this old woman whipping out like maps and shit.

So I like, and one of the problems I have with that is, like you think about the time that a majority of those maps were made. You're talking about where art was king Like you look at things whenever we first started doing cartography, and we were looking at maps and trying to, you know, show how everything was. You're talking about you know, buildings with how beautiful they

Maybe, but then there's also creative liberties that are taken, right. I mean, you look at if a map of the world was made in the mid seventeen hundreds by a British cartographer, he makes the island of England look significantly bigger off the coast of Europe than what it actually is by modern satellite imagery. I mean there's something to

But it shouldn't be like we're talking about why would we care about creative liberties, We're talking about land masses.

You know.

It's like the same thing with NASA. It's like, oh, this is a picture and then you find out no, it's actually like a million pictures onto one picture. And I don't know. It's just like it's very deceiving in that sense. And so I mean I I vibe with it. I mean I could definitely buy that the Earth is a lot bigger than what we're told. I mean, why wouldn't it be like they fucking lied about everything else?

Could it also be that it's changed shape over time? Right? Like we know that the equator and it's wider at that surface. I would possibly say that maybe three thousand years ago, perhaps it wasn't as wide and slowly, but surely it's gotten wider.

So there's there's a possibility of.

Maybe not land mass changes due to tectonic plates. But this is a is it going to be a controversial one?

Oh, we're super hypothetical here, bro, So I mean, yeah, this is this is the actual belief that I have, like a legit one.

So get Do I think that climate change is a thing?

Yes?

Do I think that sea levels are rising?

No? I do not think that they are really. So for example, where you live at what's the major issue.

Where I live? Coastal erosion due to neutrarats eating the fuck out of it all. And we're losing like a football field a day of land.

Right.

The water is not getting higher, the land is getting lower.

You think we're sinking into the sea Atlantis style.

Bro, Yes, it happens to all coastal shorelines no matter no matter how much vegetation you have there to hold onto the soil, it all eventually gets brought back out into the ocean.

Because eros is the thing.

That is the that is the dominant force. Water will always be the ultimate solvent. It will always erode anything away. So could land masses have changed and had major effects over time because of that, Yeah, there's a possibility of that. So maybe at one point in time the maps did look more correct.

Right, well, and water would be more of a constant than any land mass exactly.

And I mean like liquiefication is a thing, like the even whole solid land masses could literally just turn into a liquid and flow away.

Damn the Atlanteans are down there, bro.

Or up there?

I mean, if they're in the water.

Who's to say that? So even our rotation slows down over time. So if we're looking at depending on maybe how old of a situation like Atlantis, Like centrifical force does have a thing like we have neutron stars that have a incredibly high gravitational pull of course because they're neutron stars, but they're spinning at seventy thousand rotations per second.

So literally, as.

Soon as something gets pulled into its gravity, it flings it the fuck away, just slingshots based off of its own gravity, repelling against its own gravity. Right, So we who's to say what could have been done by centrifugal forces back in the day when the Earth was rotating at a faster speed.

Damn.

I mean, as of right now, it can't overcome the gravitational force, but it wasn't always like that.

Huh.

Interesting concepts, sir, No, go ahead.

Oh, and we have so many things that are creating gravity wells across the entire space time itself, that the amount of different things interacting with just one thing, like you could have, for example, the Andromeda galaxy, like the gravitational wave that it create or a gravitational well that it creates.

We're writing in that.

Everything is writing inside of everything's gravitational well.

It all flows to well. And now I will say together but it all sort of feeds off of each other if you will.

As of right now, the velocity is able to basically overcome the gravitational pull until we run out of energy, and then that's whenever they're talking about eventually everything could possibly come back to origin.

Wow, so you're quite literally fighting fire with fire in this episode because you are essentially debunking the science with science.

Right, Yeah, And that's honestly, that's you're gonna If you want to argue with somebody that only speaks French, why the fuck are you going to argue with them in English?

Good point?

I can't argue with that logic, Bro, That's brilliant.

I mean, don't get me wrong.

Yeah, I don't have a degree, I don't have anything like this, but you know how many different fucking conspiracies do we look up every day to where we could literally think about something, look up the equations on it, test the theory. You don't have to do an actual experiment. Just like I said, if you take a photo and you're like, yeah, whatever is that the horizon should be below it, and you know that the air is basically in a favorable like condition, you know what superior mirage

Wow, I like it. I like it. I like these third eye open kind of conversations. This is using your third eye to try and figure out some kind of shit. Yes, I mean we all want to question everything like that is always going to be the point of this show is just questioning the main narrative at every wherever, I mean, at every single nook and cranny, you should be questioning it. And I like the way that you came at it. And it's not just some hair brain theories. Not to

So so.

I love this show. Luke, could you tell the good cult members where they can find you if they want to research you.

Sir. Yeah, So I have a Twitter page that is at l ukyyp. You can find me on Facebook or in the Lives if you catch me in there and you want to hit me up with anything, I'm down for.

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