#674- Sunday Service 17 "The So Called Final Experiment" Breakdown w/ JTFollowsJC

Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Sunday Service, Episode seventeen, brought to you by Cult the Conspiracy Podcast. I'm your host, Josh Monday from the Colt Or from the Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy Podcast. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. We were gonna have a pastor rich On, but he's actually uh, we'll just have to pray for him. He's he's gonna be out. But I got JT follows JC Joe. Good morning. How's it going brother?

It's good man, how you doing doing good?

I'm excited, man. I like to talk about this. H You know, this is an interesting subdaty. I followed this, bro, the Final Experiment all the way from day one. Dude. I know exactly what was going on day one, dude, I was because I watched the So here's here's a little timeline we have for the Final Experiment. That's what we're gonna be going over today, guys, just letting you know. And then probably in the end what I'll do is I'll I'll probably do a little bit of Exodus seventeen

Believe that that stuff sounds sketchiest.

I think is that he went there before the I think he went there before. I think he went when I went there, just like I think he's been there before or something like that, or he had maybe a close person to him that had that had gone.

That's personally what I think, you know, Can I can I say something first off? Yeah, this is why I don't call myself a flat earther. I don't ever call

An explanation for otherwise.

Yeah, and I mean so to me, so just hearing what you just said, I mean I had to say that just because I think, like, don know, It'll put it this way. I got a lot of disagreements with that guy on lots of other things. I might agree with a few things that he says, him saying that it's a globe. If this, it's like, so you're gonna present all this other evidence and then you're just throw it away if you see a twenty four hour son,

I don't know.

I mean, of course, sus this is why I want to go over the timeline so people know exactly what's going on, because I was following this.

I'm telling you guys, I was locked it because dude, I teach biblical cosmology on I don't just teach cut biblical cosmology on my show. I have jumped literally on probably I don't know, I'd say fifty different show I was doing that. There's presentation I did on your show. You know, I'm constantly trying to format it, making it better and better as like as I go. But I'm I was locked in bro to watch this, uh Greg

Almost so it's almost like, I mean, based on what you're saying, it's almost like the person who came up for the final experiment was Dan Odle, Like uh, like.

Kind of like are they like the like, well, like the.

Concept of it, because he's saying if it's if you see twenty four hours on, that's.

What Will Duffie, That's that is what Will Duffie was saying. He said, he said, that's where I got the idea from Joseph Handby was also in the audience and he was talking about saying that uh, and he was also in the audience, Joseph fancy the gentleman, if you guys don't know, is the gentleman that's that's coming up with the trying to come up with a flat earth model.

Well he's got yeah, yeah, he's got one.

That so just letting you guys know. So, So that was there, and then and then all of a sudden December twenty nine, twenty twenty three, the final experiment page was created, right and then and then all of a sudden in January twenty three, twenty twenty four, on Debatism, which is Jaren's show, it was Jaren Austin and pastor Will Duffy. They were all having a debate. It was like a four hour debate on the shape of the Earth.

Anyways, Hey, I got to take a quick phone call.

Yeah, no problem, I'm still here. And then guys April April eleventh, U Pastor will Duffy was on Kingdom in context with my brother Sean Griffin. Uh, and Pastor will Duffy asked Sean if he was going to the Final Experiment because he is he uh, he had got these emails got sent out to twenty four flat earthers and twenty four globe earthers, and he was asking. He was

Bro Well, so he's and he's obviously the clip circulating around is he's the pastor who says it's not immoral to deceive or to lie inherently immoral, and it's funny, the funny thing about it. And I think I know that there's a longer context of that, and some people have mentioned to me, and actually I even used it the other day. I did a live stream and I said,

It's like.

You ever heard when Peter says love covers a multitude of sins. I think that like kind of covers like that. Let's just say there was a starving family and you stole some bread. You didn't have any money, you stole some bread to feed them. Is that a sin? It's up to God that if it's a sin or not. Obviously, I think if you did something out of the goodness

When he sees that, like the animal injured, like like you know in the like dude yeah album the next day, now you're gonna yeah.

So like so in the same way, yes, there is obviously something where you could say that could you deceive in the same kind of way to save somebody because you had to do this, break this one law in order to fulfill the greater law, which is to love.

Yes, that is.

But it's kind of like it's a weird message to

It's issues in faith.

It's like we are not to be on here and tell people how to how to walk in faith.

Because faith is faith, right.

Like, if I could tell you exactly what you're supposed to do, then all of a sudden it's not faith anymore.

Right, yeah, exactly.

Due, So then you have this guy saying that, and again, if you do that kind of stuff, you have a sermon like that, well you expect to be cut up and say something like that.

Bro.

It's on the internet, bro, yeah, because now it's on the internet, and.

You're getting on the stage too, bro, as especially in the in the Flatters community and the conspiracy community, I mean students, you step on that stage and the final e smember. You know, people are going to go through everything like with a fine tooth comb, bro, in a different arena when you come out of and here all right.

So then so then he has this sermon, right, and then he literally gets caught lying. I always like to ask him, was that lie immoral or not? Did you have a greater reason why you lied? He said, didn't. I want to hear your justification why you lied.

He did an apology, a public apology to Sean Griffin, and he said that public apology was like seven months ago, and he said basically like, hey, I'm sorry, Sean. I would I just did you know it was a it was a it was like a white lie. It's kind of what he said, you know, like I haven't came out. I didn't come out yet as the final experiment guy, and I didn't expect you to ask me that. So because he had this whole thing going on.

That's not a white lie, that's a face lie.

He lied. Yeah.

So it's it's kind of like this.

Is I'm not here the past pastor Will Duffie, I'm going over the timeline.

Well, I'm here.

I'm here to just to call out a snake. I mean, you that was a bold, bald face lie you told. And then it's like you minimizing it does not make me feel any more better better about it. He's like, first of all, did you apologize to God for doing that?

Yeah, because I apologize for Sean.

Yeah, you sin against Yeah, you sinned against God when you did that. And I think that that's really I mean, it's like that's the whole thing about you know, it's kind of weird thing like the way America does pastors. You know, obviously they're kind of in the role as kind of an overseer, and obviously there's all kinds of like qualifications to be to be in that role, and

It wasn't good. It wasn't a good look. And Jenn and Austin both kind of kind of like heard that, and you know, they were basically talking about it on Jenn Show, you know, and it became kind of a big thing. So the first flat earther that that Pastor Will Duffy invited or actually he threw like a poll and everybody picked. You know Dave Weiss from deep inside the rabbit hole. I don't know if you guys. You guys probably know him. He has the app and everything.

Wait, did he did? Wait did Dave first? Did Did he say why he wasn't gonna go do it?

He said, he doesn't trust uh Pastor will Duffy, He doesn't trust mctoon. He said that mctoon is like a demon. Last time he went to that debate, he met mctoon in person, he didn't even know he was meeting him, and he said he just felt super bad vibes for him. Anything that's involved with mcktoon, Dave mckegan and Pastor will Duffy. He said, I am not going whatsoever. I think I will not be involved with these guys. And he denied it.

And so what was it?

What was his reason for disassociating with Will duffy? Did he was it about that lie or was it something else?

Oh, it was just that and and the fact that he was involved with mctoon in the first place. He just felt like he heard he heard on Sean Griffin show like I did, and he said that, he said, Hey, my buddy is my buddy is going to disagree with you because Sean Griffin was going over biblical cosmology and trying to show Pastor will Duffie what I would have done. I would have took because I had Pastor will Duffie on my show, but it wasn't like a debate format.

You know, so, well, who's uh so, who's paying for all this? Is he paying out of his pocket?

He's paying out of his pocket for this, and.

That's what you know what, I have a hard time believing that's true. Well, I honestly, I just do because I mean, like, yeah, you're talking about like that. He wasn't crowdsourcing, He wasn't trying to get funding to do this. He wasn't getting donations to do this.

One person that he got funding for and by the way, he had one more person go as well. And that other person that went is actually a he's a flat earther and he's a documentary filmmaker. So they're going to make a documentary.

Well, I mean again, that's probably I mean, I guess you could say that if he was paying for these people to go, it's an investment into this film.

There you go, and and and that's not that was not disclosed either. So as we were going along, he was not saying anything about a documentary. All he was saying is I want to get these flat earthers and I want to get these globers there. I want to I want to film the twenty four hour Sun, and I want to make sure that this thing is this close case for the for the globe. Right, So we have that going.

And he's probably going to clip Deanoodle saying oh yeah, that's.

The trailer. That's that's probably going to be in the trailer, isn't it.

Oh yeah, he said that he has a somebody that will pay for Pastor Dean to go. So Pastor Dean was invited, he declined. So a lot of it was basically like people were he was he was trying to there was some investors in the background that were supposedly wanted to pay for Pastor Dean, and then another.

I think that I think there's investors in the background anyway.

Yeah, oh yeah, that's a lot of money. I'm saying that's a lot.

Of money because you can made money.

Bro, what means to pay thirty five thousand?

Put it this way, If it costs thirty five thousand for me to go, I'm just gonna be honest. You know, I make a little bit of money online. I'm not going for free. Like yeah, my time's were something too. Yeah, and obviously if you're gonna use me in a documentary later, you're definitely gonna pay me, yeah, like cause you know that's so did those guys get paid to go? And if they did, I'm actually I'm not gonna here's what I what I'll say.

It does not bother me. If they got paid to go.

Yeah, it gets bothered me if they got paid to go and they don't say that they got paid to go.

Yeah, oh of course. And wits It was also okay, we won't get to Witsy yet.

Let's yah, we'll get into that later.

Yeah yeah, yeah, So so okay. So Eric Debay was asked to go. He declined, which he's another one that you know, obviously he was the first one to come on this. See he's the first one to bring the AE map, which is the map that they're trying to basically disprove here. Other flat earthers were asked to go. They declined. Nathan Oakley, you know that they were just in that, you know, same thing that Dave Wiss is saying. These guys are shady. I'm not going to go. I

We have.

The final thing that happened, bro that was a little weird was he had this thing called the Golden Ticket. He said that he has he he has an investor that wants to pay for one more flat earther to go. And I was involved in the Golden Ticket, so I put my name in there. I emailed Pastor will Duffie because I have his email because I had him on my show, and I said, hey, man, I'm I'm prior military. I can embrace the suck. You know. I I've deployed, so I've gone from here to there. I packed bags,

So this was not like a blind draw. This was like they actually everybody.

Put their name in and uh, like an email and whoever put their name in, he boiled it down to like ten flat earths.

So we were all face Wait, so was this supposedly random who gets to go or or did they pick.

He picked well done picked.

Well, that's well, you know, that's not like the Golden ticket. That's like, you know, like he already knew who he was going to take, right Yeah, and everybody else is just kind of used for the show.

So the so we ended up going down I was, I came down to fourth and then he then I got taken out in the next person, next person, the person that he picked. Her name is Elizabeth DaCosta. She runs, Uh it's called the Flat Earth Gang. It's like something like a Discord type thing. I don't know, it's it's a I've never heard of her bro and and she's she's knowing she's pretty. Her face is pretty. She has that that Hollywood face. You know, I'm not say anything about it.

You're not You're not pretty. You're not pretty enough to go.

I thought I was. I thought I had anyways. Uh so yeah, so that's what it came down to. And then then they ended up, you know, they picked Elizabeth the cost I'm not saying anything bad about her, but she know, he seemed like he said that all these people were emailing him saying, oh, she needs to go pick her, pick her.

And yeah, this this person. No one knows. Everyone's emailing him to take this this other part.

Yeah, it was very interesting. So I got I got xed out. I was like, I was on my lunch break at work. I came home real quick, I went upstairs. I had to do it in my in my closet, so I had to put a background real quick, and then we he went.

But anyways, wait, you know what I would say at this point, Bro, I mean, who knows what would have been different if you had to win? It's good, Bro, I am good.

Well, I am a million times happy I didn't with that, Bro, because the way that the community turned on everybody. I was like, oh my gosh, Bro, I ain't I'm glad I didn't go. It was a blessing. God is great, Bro, because I'm gonna let you know though, Bro, I was literally.

Your wife would have been mad at you.

And wife would have been mad. My kids. My daughter is so close to me, Bro, my little one, she would have been so sad if I would have left. Dude, she was been so sad because me and her hangout all the time. She's like a dad.

But it was such an opportunity. Now everyone online hates me.

Yeah, because bro, Now think about the opportunity here now man, for Jaren and for witsit. Okay, whether whether whatever is going on, We'll talk about all that stuff in a second. Okay. Now we got Candice Owen's who is a big name, millions and millions of followers involved in this. We have it seems like it might be a documentary, a second documentary. I know that Jared's been in the first one, Behind the Curve. Now we got another one going and I just want to say, Jared, I'm not gonna I'm not

At all, you know, Honestly, I guess he said, I've never really been in the flat earth community, so I didn't even know who he was. Is his name Jared? Because I know it's channel named Jaronism. I think it's a weird name. What does that even mean?

His first name is Jared, I think it is, But he Jaronism is just what it is because Jaronism is like a It's just what he uses. Jared is what he is known for in the community. He has done like six flatter conferences. He has been in the community for a long time. He's been in for at least ten years. He goes live all the time. He actually has a call in show. He just did a ten hour callin show actually last night. I was trying to catch up on before we did this show.

I don't know, you know, to me, I guess to me, like, and here's why I said, I don't call myself a flatter Earth or and I never will.

Is that.

It's easy to say that it's a grift when you're like making money off the earth being flat, Right, So if you're willing to make money off the earth being flat, why would you even care if you could make more money off it being maybe not flat? Yeah, you know, like you know what I'm saying because like that's what I'm saying, Like because I because I don't have an invested interest in.

The shape the shape necessarily.

But see, this is and I think when you're saying this is an opportunity, it's certainly an opportunity. But like, but but of what I mean, I think I was comparing myself to witsaid. I don't know if I'm as comparable as far as social media profiles and Internet famous and stuff like that, but I understand it's funny, like the community that we're in, you know, we see like what's his name, Wesley Huff going on Joe Rogan, and I.

Can't help it.

I could. I'd be lying if I didn't say I

But what if what if he makes me look.

Bad and makes God look bad?

That makes God? Yeah, makes God, your faith look bad.

He's not gonna well, he can't make it, but he can make me look bad.

Therefore, as a representative, can now.

Yeah, I can now point at here's all the things, so like you know, like that's what the Bible says about being as wise as as serpents, and it isn't as dove so like, so to me, yeah, unless I felt really comfortable and obviously just based on being the title. So if I if you're with sid who proclaims Christ and he says that that, no, he's went there and seen the twenty four hours son and he does not believe it's a globe. Okay, so then it's not the

What do you think now?

Because like cause it's kind of like that. Let's just say that these guys did make a little bit of money and they got obviously lots of attention, but again, like not all.

Attention is here's the here's the thing, here's the thing. I would say, what if YouTube came to you now now jaring Dude, he has on one hundred and sixty four thousand subscribers and he was getting literally before he went on this this show, he was getting only like thirty five hundred maybe maybe six thousand views on his channel because you know, YouTube is just gonna squeeze that, like they're gonna They're like, all right, we're gonna make it so that your stuff is not getting out to

I think that, but you know what is it saying the proverbs where it's saying like that that a good reputation is more valuable than all the riches, I know, you know what I mean?

Like so that's what I'm saying.

It's like, so I'm sure you and I both know, like if I took all the time that I do to make my podcasts and reels and things like that, and I concentrated on my real job, I would have lots more money, lots more.

That's what my boss tells me all the time.

Well, I mean, but I guess the point is, well, obviously the point is is that you and I are not doing it for the money.

Oh yeah, I don't, right, And you know that's what I'm saying.

So like that, so you could if it's fine, if it's finances, there's there's easier and better ways to make money than the ways that we're doing.

Of course, and it was for me. This is like the rabbit versus the hair. Like I'm like the I'm like the I'm like the rabbit versus the hair. The turtle, the turtle versus the hair. I'm like the turtle. Bro, I'm going super slow and I'm just barely like going. My wife was telling me that she's like, your podcast is like the turtle, you know, because you're slowly gaining subscribers, slowly like making money.

But I think that I think lots of us.

So we have done this for free for many years, and then all of a sudden you start to make a little bit of money doing it. And then first full disclosure, I've said this many times, if I could ever get the means to do this for a job, I would do it for a job, because obviously I would do I do it for free. I've done it for free, I've done it for a little bit of money. I want to be able to do it full time,

I'm not that like that.

So that's why I have not chased all the sponsors and all the things in order to.

Just do this. So that being said.

That, it's kind of like I could be really Internet famous if I did something like like went on the Final Experiment, right, but then my reputation is but but yeah, but I guess the point is, like, so then what do you do with it? It's kind of like that. To me, It's like it's shortsighted to say that again, like you could go, let's just say I got famous for going on Joe Rogan and then he made me look like an idiot, you know what I mean like that,

So this is this is what the.

Things people and this is obviously this we'll maybe can get into this a little bit, but to me like that, the Gloverses are never going to respect Witsit and Jaron never yeah, never, So if they help, So if those guys get help prove the ball earth to people, they are still going to mock those guys. Those guys will never get any credit. They will never get any credit from the greater scientific community, intellectuals and globers, helocentric people.

And then the people who.

Supported them and liked them and shared their stuff and really have have like consumed all their content are going to feel betrayed by what happened. So then it's like, so, how like you could get a short term gain. Let's just say if they made some money in some notoriety. But I mean it's kind of like, but now you're going to be a parah.

Yeah, well they I think they thought. I think that because with it he was he was in the debate that he was debating, debating, debating, and he has a lot of people that follow him, and he also talks to a astrophysicist and on his show, and he does like schooling globers is one of his things. So he has a lot of respect in the community because he was but he was getting on Alex Jones debating. He

Yeah, well, like it's because well it's funny because like like like yeah, you didn't get to go, like you didn't get to go Like, Okay, I've done some, you know, I've done some. I mean, I'm not sure how big a podcast I've ever got on. I mean, like tenfold had I guess I'm not. They're pretty big, I guess.

I mean, like, but Sam Tripley's he's got a big show, but especially that's the biggest one for for ours, you know.

But Sam invites lots of people on. He's actually fights a lot of people on that. I'm surprised get on the show. But so I've been on his show, but I've not been on Rogan. I've not been on like with Sean Ryan. I've been on like Tucker Carlston show.

This is a little bit quick.

This is a little bit sudden for Rogan to know who he is, Like, that's that's kind.

Of Joe Rogan had Billy Carson on his show.

Oh yeah, And I guess I can see the I can see that connection.

And and and obviously Joe Rogan and him were probably hitting it off because he's speaking exactly Joe Rogan.

Exactly what he was I love it?

Really the gospel message is not true. Let's go he was probably in it. And then now you know so, so there's there's an angle.

That made me happened.

But well, let me ask you a question, because again I have not followed this as closely as you clearly now what I've heard people say, and I've and I kind of experience this a little bit. I've seen clips of Wits that looking very sharp, looking very strong in some of these debates.

He does a great job, bro.

But then I remember, I remember at one point I was saying, my one bud, he was like kind of on the fence about the shape of the earth stuff, and he won't. It was like he was trying to get me to prove it to him, and I was kind of like, dude, that's not who I am. Like, you believe what you want to believe. I said, I'm telling you, this is why I believe what I believe.

Yeah, And then he's.

Like, I said, you should go check out this guy wits it and and I guess he said, well, I looked up this debate with him in Flatter Day and Wits it looked pretty bad. And it's a professor Dave a Professor Dave, Oh yeah, flatter No, Well put it this way.

I've heard.

This is what I've heard, and you can tell me if this is true or not. I've heard a lot of people say the wits it looked really good in a lot of debates, and then lately he's kind of had a lot more like maybe duds where he looked he floundered a little bit. Is that is that okay?

So accurate?

I think that No, I don't. I don't think it's accurate, but I think that, Uh, what happened is, bro, here's the thing we have. We have tools in our tool belt, right and let's see, I'm just starting out and I got these certain tools I could use. Well, obviously, at some point people are gonna know all the tools that you've used. So what happened is when Professor by the time he got to Professor Dave, which he challenged him for the last like three years, he's already he already

So that's probably what happened.

But he's still I think he did really well against uh Professor Dave, knowing that Pfessor Dave knows everything about wits it and uh and and and knowing all.

His tricks that makes sense.

Yeah, yea, so it's a little harder to do that. But anyways, so as we go forward, uh so one thing that okay, so let me see we already did. We kind of talked about pastor Will Duffy, So we talked about everything. Everybody that got invited, Jaren Witsit ended up being the people I talked about, uh uh Candice Owens uh and and by the way, withs it is going to be going on Candae Owens. So that's that's gonna be his That's that's another big show to get on.

Yeah.

So anyways, so so these guys go out there their first live that they have. I was kind of waiting for a live, dude when theyre When I went out there, I was like, man, I want to hear from them. I want to find out what's going on. Their first live was in Puta Arenas and they they were they were basically showing that the sun is is lit up facing south, you could see that the whole area is lit up, so you can kind of see like, hey, uh,

I'm not.

I don't. I don't put the AE map with the Bible, and I don't connect the two. But anyways, on their map, it's already too far south already, and they're showing it. It's it's midnight there, and they're showing that that that the sky is lit up in the south, totally lit up in supposedly it's midnight, right, if everything's on the.

Up and up, it is right if we believe, if we believe.

It was a live stream, So I believe it, man, I'm not. I'm not a one that's gonna say. You know, there's there's a guy named King Nico Flattereth Banjo and a couple other shows. I think it's called They Live. They are like one hundred percent going that they fake the whole entire thing. And one thing I would say, man, King Nico and Flat Earth Banjo, they're both Christians, So you have to watch walk a little bit more of a tight rope if you're Christian, Bro, because there's certain

Yeah.

You.

I'm one of the people who I was just saying the other day is that you know a lot of people trying to expose everybody. And we actually had a very interesting conversation on on our podcast the other day, and I was saying that that, like they there is room for people to be used by the enemy without it being explicit, like where they are straight up Freemasons

So it's kind of like.

Saying that they are knowingly working for the enemy versus somebody who could be used even influenced by like demonic forces. They don't even realize they're.

Being being tools of the enemy.

So yeah, like, but to say that they're in these secret clubs, like, yeah, I think that you need to come with some more proof, but you need to.

Have definitive proof. Bro, you are like straight.

Yeah, I would I would never. I would never do that.

I would never use somebody being in a secret society if I did not know, because again, for one, for one thing, it's just like for when I care what's true. And I also wouldn't want to build a straw man up that I could eventually be used.

It could be used against me.

It's like I say, so I go, I try to reach too far to say these people are deceivers, and then I end up looking stupid because they It's kind of like, and I don't know if you want to get into it now, the whole vape gate thing.

Yeah yeah, yeah, we can't, okay, So so yeah we could get into that. So what I want to tell people right now before we get into that. Okay, I do Biblical cosmology on several different episodes. You cannot find one episode ever that I have ever done where I told anybody that the twenty four hour Son in Antarctica would prove the Bible wrong or prove anything in Biblical cosmology wrong. Okay, that that is just not that is

Well, you know what the thing is is that Bill Duffy did sound like he's trying to prove the Bible wrong.

Well yeah, okay, it does Okay, it does it does sound.

It does sound if he's willing to say that he already knows this is true, that he wouldn't mind proving the Bible wrong because he says that it's if it says this, then.

He said, that's history, and that's that's the way. Maybe that's the way the Earth was back then. A couple of things. Man, he took over a church from a guy that was anti flat earther, and he's been on radio stations talking about flat Earth and all this stuff. So and that guy passed away to him.

So see this is see, this is exactly why this is weird to me. It's that, like, I have the biggest problem with the guy I used to kind of like be friends with online and he does debates and he's like more on the science side, and he wants to be respected by intellectuals, and so he goes out of his way to like debate atheists at times, but then he also goes out there and he debates biblical flat earthers, and it's like to me, I'm like, this is a horrible look because it's kind of like the

I would say there's one correct one.

But that being said like that, if you believe something more literal, and I believe something's more you know, allegorical in the Bible, and I yes, I would just say like that, it's a bad look for two Christians to be arguing like that because I would say that I remember saying this before I ever kind of believed in.

The Biblical cosmology.

I said the one thing I said, I got to respect about flat earthers. I said, it's a faithful it's a faithful position. Because it'd be like, I don't care that you're gonna call me stupid. This is what I believe the Bible says, and I'm willing to be ridiculed

It is more allegory, is actually as a spinning pall.

But you know what, I have a feeling being father, knowing God's a good father, better father than me. He would say, But I'm not mad at you because you believe this is.

What I said.

You stood on the word.

Yeah, you you really believed it. You might have been wrong about something, and I think that's why. It's like you're why, like why do you believe what you believe? And I think that God honors that to the point being is like that me knowing that and somebody else having a different Bible interpretation than me, and I know that they believe it because of you know, for a good reason.

It's they look, it's a bad look.

For me to be arguing with them about that, regardless of what the what the interpretation.

Is, especially if you accept that the Bible teaches that and then you try to say like, well, that's just what God told them. Knowing that Titus one two, God cannot lie. Uh, he's six eighteen. It is impossible for God to lie. And knowing these verses, faith come it by hearing and hearing by the word of God. There's all these things that show and then all scriptures inspired by God, you know what I mean.

And yeah, you're undermining the credibility of the.

Bible versus there that are telling you that I do not I cannot lie, you know what I mean. And and he's doing a first hand account to Moses from God. So it's impossible for God to lie to Moses. Just letting you guys know that if you if you believe the whole entire Bible, Okay, it's impossible.

Well right, Well, I mean I guess the thing is that when you get into the when you get into the realm of saying that, well that part's not true. Well then where does that end? Yeah? Yeah, pulling the thread off the sweater, and you can eventually there'll be it'll be nothing left, because that's what people are doing night And especially like I said, my my friend was doing this. He was like trying to prove certain parts of apologetics and certain parts of genes, but then just

Okay, well that's a great start, right, and that is a and.

They probably said this is not a faith issue or this is like this is dude, this is this or like a salvation issue, but bro, it brings people to salvation and it actually makes people not believe the Bible. Bro, when when people go the other.

Way, all right, but you know what, but with that being said, being a flat earther is not being is not necessarily being a Christian at all. And obviously you can find out obviously like the most famous flat earthers is like what Eric Dubai. I think he denies that Jesus even existed. Yeah, So I think that that's why.

Those I don't know those guys, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not vouching for them. I don't know.

And I think I've I've kind of came into this where I'm like, I I'm on your side, where I like, I don't want to go so far out to say that it's all fake, fake, I know it's fake, blah blah blah, because again I'm not I'm not trying to defend like the Gleason map and all that stuff like that, like that's not I've never said that that's the truest version of whatever this is.

I mean, maybe it's ever connected the two. I've Okay, there's a few verses that I have said that you know, the seas have its boundaries, right. I have said that I believe in Amos ninety six when it says vaulted dome. When you look up that word, it means binding. I think it's binding heaven, which is the firmament to the Earth. I do believe that the firmament connects to the Earth. I never said, though, it connects to Antarctica. And that's a yeah.

Finally, well see you never says that, you know. That's the funny thing. I remember.

I know Tyler for fittest flat earther. I know he's he was coming.

Out to Tyler. I talked to him. He doesn't email me.

He was he was coming at people for talking about

Yeah, but what outside of that could be true? And what what could be could.

They know that Isaiah forty twenty two does say that it is he who sitteth upon the circle of the ears. So God's thrown is above the firmament. Ezekiel one twenty six says that God's thrown is above the firmament. Right. It says that, I think, yeah, so that's a vision. The visions come, you know, if you look at numbers twelve versus four to three, it says that you know, God comes to to them in visions and the dreams

But I guess my point being is like, did.

There's how big is the circle? Is what you're saying?

How big is the circle? Could be way bigger than you could ever know. And and even I mean there is actually versus that kind of speak to that is about how far the ends of the earth are, and then how how great the heavens are, how far they stretch out. Yeah, So that all that being said, no, do you not try to attach that map that model to me and then say.

Man, bro forces, let God be true. Every man a liar. So it's made by man. Obviously there's gonna be air in it. Dude, God didn't make the map.

I think the way I think the way that I read the Bible, especially in the Book of job when it's like when God is challenging job on like all the processes of the earth, even I read in yeah, when he's Also when you're reading in the Book of Enoch, when Enoch's taken to all these different places to see the different processes of the Earth and the and the links in the and the where the circuits of the sun and the and the celestials go, and things like that,

It created a huge talking point for the globe Earth people when it comes to debates they're gonna lean.

On that is exactly what I'm gonna.

Lean on this like no tomorrow and everybody that's not even involved in this debate, when once they hear someone even bring up the word flat, that's already been gonna immediately go to the twenty four hours son and I will say it'd It will make it so that people will not even want to even look into it and at all. Now that if they haven't looked.

Into it at all, that's my that's my.

Person closed that door for them.

Yeah, that's my personal experience is because you like, you know the videos I make?

I mean, how many how many videos.

Do I make where I talk about the shape of the Earth's biblical cosmology or anything. It's not that I'm afraid of that topic, but you see, like you see the content I make.

But you got, bro, you got a lot of different stuff going already. Yeah, well that you see me on the show at one time, and I know if you had a show just recently where you guys were talking about it, but yeah you're not you're not focused on that, but ane concerned.

No, But it's like, so I make lots of videos about other things that I find interesting, and it's like that's that's obviously one of the things. Yeah, and it's kind of almost like baked in the cake at this point. This is kind of I believe in biblical cosmo. I'm not sure how all the process work. I've never been trying to get smart enough to debate it versus anybody. I think debate shows are cringe. I don't want to

If if this is true?

Because I didn't even even I didn't even really looked into it this experiment at all, and then I realized it's like, oh, so this is what they're saying, and Okay, so this is why now the Bible's wrong, I guess.

I mean, because that's basically what they were.

This guy was trying to tell me, and I'm like, get out of here, you know, like, and I've that's and I think that's what was like immediately, like in my spirit was like troubled by this because I because I could kind of see now broll.

Yes, I was like, well, I was glued to this, bro. The reason why I mean, I like I said, I am teaching this subject like crazy, but I want to make sure that I see what happens because I don't want to I don't want to marry the two together, but I don't want I don't want the final experiment to happen to own now all the Bible verses I've gone over are wrong. I don't want people to think that at all, Bro, So I need to be prepared. You know.

Well, it's kind of like, well, it's kind of like that, that's what I was saying.

It's it's it's sort of ridiculous to think that just on the title, and I think I honestly I would. Yeah, you need to talk to Dnodal and say why did you say that? Because you present all this evidence of no curvature, water not sticking to a spinning ball, all the things you believe about the celestials and the North Star and all this stuff, and then so then the sun goes round and everything you just said was all was all bs.

So now you've finally found curvature.

You finally like water does stick stick to a spelling ball exactly.

It doesn't prove anything you don't believe in.

It don't hermit anymore, you know what I mean? Like, like, what are you talking?

Like?

You know what I'm saying like that? Why did you say that?

Because I think that's what to me would be like. So we've already established what the Bible says.

We do have.

Empirical evidence about like potentially the shape of the Earth and like the lack of curvature, and like why you can see things over the horizon with the right Oh yeah, a kind of all kinds of things like I think to me, I always my one of my greatest like kind of clues of what this place would be more like, would was the was the constellations? You you cannot you would never be able to prove to me that we are spinning around the sun.

The Sun's spinning, everything's going up.

To millions of miles an hour, and then all the constellations remain constant every year.

No way now.

Because those things would well, then those things would be moving too, right in our galaxies going like million a million miles an hour, So like you're one.

Point three million miles in our expansion.

Right, right, So that's happening and all those other you have to conclude right that all the other solar systems or whatever are doing the same thing. Right, So if that's happening, like, how do how did the stars stay where they're at?

Yeah?

So to me, it's like the rotation of the celestials obviously does not tell you a lot about the shape of the of the ground you're on.

Yeah, everything celestial. I think what they did this is what I think they did when they when they made the globe model. They made it from what the stars, what the celestials do, which are the stars, the Sun and the moon, what they do. That's I think how they created the globe model, not because of Aristotle, like all the stuff that they said were you know, the sticks and shadows. Dude, they just took whatever this whatever's going on up there and they made the globe. That's

It's flat. It's flat and don't move. It's flat and doesn't move.

So yeah, so that being said, okay, so if I went down there and I saw the sun in the sky the whole day, long day and night saw day and night, then it would not be the final experiment. But I would say, yeah that I would say that based on that that AE map, that model.

Has been debunked.

Yeah, it doesn't mean one hundred percent of it's been debunked, but obviously how the celestials move on that map wrong? Yeah, So so that has been so then obviously now you have more experiments to do because you've already kind of established it like that there's no curve based on what they say that what is the eight inches per miles squared all? Yeah, so that that's obviously clearly been debunked a long time ago, you know, obviously just the idea

Dude? If they went this is what I said. If you go down there and you don't and you see that sunset, you ain't coming back. Well right, that's right. Yeah, the woman back bro the point they proved the globe, that would prove the globe wrong. They're not gonna lie to come back, bro, you know what I mean?

Well, my point is is like even speculation, but even if it proved the globe wrong, it would not prove the flat Earth.

Right, No, it wouldn't.

And again and honestly would not disprove I wouldn't necessarily would even say it would disprove the globe. It would disprove the current model they've got in the same way.

The helios would disprove the heliocentric model.

It would disapprove it in a certain way.

Well, my point is like you could say that, and I could believe you, But I'm saying like that, would people who believe in the globe conclude that?

Yeah?

What would everybody on Earth say?

Okay, you know what, since that happened, since will Duffy is true, saw that the Earth the sun set in Antarctica in December.

Therefore, yeah, the globe has been debunked.

Do you think anyone would agree with that? So, like, so, what you've really done is you had not a lot to gain and you had everything to lose by going there saying it's the final experiment. So if you see it, which obviously lots of people have said for a long time. Even I thought I saw this video from Eric Debay saying that I guess these flat earthers from.

Like I can't remember, it was like eighteen hundreds. Yeah, the eighteen hundreds.

They all they actually wrote in there that they believe that that could be possibility. So they weren't like, so this idea is not new, No, you know, this is not like this is this is obviously again so this is not a final experiment. This is something that's that's kind of been known. So to me, what I was really troubled by was the fact that if I was one of those guys, I would be obviously screaming to the to the rooftop saying, hey, I'm open to the possibility. Yes,

Can you can?

Yeah? Jared, Jared I can? He was leaning. He was basically he was saying because Jaren has been but he's not a biblical cosmologist, bro, He's a flat earther and he is the A map was what he was depending on, saying that the flights work. And and now Jared, this is kind of uh, you know at this moment, is believing more it being a globe. Just to be honest. You know, even on his show, I think he is.

You know, he sounds like he sounds like a grifter.

Yeah.

I just how much money did he make on it being flat?

Well he was doing it?

Now is he going to go on shows now? And he's going to debate the flatter?

So like I said, you're gonna say all these proofs that you had for it being flat versus this one, this one observation is going to destroy every Yeah, because you're saying like that.

It's because he's well, he's one thing he is being if everything is on the up and up, is he is being honest because he based his whole everything on that AE map you know, he's that's what he's been using. So he is being honest. If you did see the twenty four Sun. He is feeling like that that map has proved wrong. He feels like Eric Dubay came on the scene with that map and and Eric Dubay he thinks, he thinks Eric Debay's a shill, you know. So I

You hate the name.

It sounds it sounds stid, it sounds stupid. It's I think it's designed to sound stupid.

Yeah, it's it's something that uh yeah. I that's why I always use biblical cosmology because if you're Christian and you hear what I talk about biblical cosmology, wise, if you believe the Bible, you're gonna believe that that's that's what it says, you know what I mean. So it's different. But there are some verses, you know, like there's there's that talks about the ends of the Earth or like

Yeah, but I mean again the like obviously, so where's the where it is the sea?

Where's the limits?

Yeah, so that's something that maybe someone would say the limits or Antarctica, you know, on the outside of the ice.

Well again that that would be based on a limited view.

Yes, it could be, but obviously there could be limits outside of where there's further right, yeah, right, there could be.

There could be all kinds again if.

There was those, if there is multiple layers of this this place. Even the funny thing about when people say the ends of the earth, you know where the end of the earth is, Josh, do I know? Yeah, yeah, I can tell you where. I can tell you where the end of the earth is I go, I go drive east and I get to the end. Yeah, then the sea starts.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's kind of almost like that.

You know, Biblically, the earth is not a ball, it's not a globe. The earth and the sea are not the same thing. The earth is where you stand. It's the dry land, and the sea is something different. That's what people are. So that's what they've they've these these people, these these scientists have taught people to read stuff into the Bible that's not there. It's it's actually very clear. It's like, what is the earth. I'll reach down and grab it in my hand and I'll pick it up

I think that.

So it's kind of like that. These things are actually very clear and easy to understand. It's not saying like that there's an edge, that the water's falling off and stuff like that. That's what the flat earth society has brought you. And that's why it's dumb to go under that label of flat earth when we already know that the flat Earth society as a sy op that is what you're supposed to make everyone looks so stupid who says they believe it? Because that's why they showed normies

Water dropping off of it.

It's ridiculous, and it's meant to be ridiculous. So when you when you associate yourself with that, now you seem stupid. I think that the one thing I've always liked about I guess maybe certain people who are flat earth or as their Biblical cosmologists, is when they get asked certain questions and they say, I'm not sure we have we

That's what they do.

Yeah, I don't feel I don't feel any compulsion to try to prove with the Bible says, because I know lots of these things are supposed to be taken in faith. So like, that's why even get into like something like nine to eleven. I think, I think you get into the weeds when you try to debate how how like at what temperature does the beams melt? I always just say, let's go to the strongest part of our argument is saying, Hey, you ever heard of Building seven?

Did you ever see felt the building one six too?

Yeah?

The ones that they get hit by the flant six? Yeah, the one that didn't get hit by the plane. It's like, isn't that weird? How that one just fell? And then I want you I'm talking about right, so I want explain that. I want you to explain those things. And that's why I was saying like that, if I have very strong arguments on the on biblical cosmology, what the Bible does say about it, Well, I'm going to say,

The globe model.

Yeah, I say, without a doubt.

Oh, it's just really far away and doesn't look like it moves.

Everything is spinning like a million miles an hour. And then but but that's far away, so it doesn't look like it moves.

Yeah.

Whatever, So I say that observation that almost everybody can observe is way stronger than twenty four dudes going down to Antarctica and seeing the sun do something.

Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, so it gets interesting. And when I what I do with when I'm debating, you know, biblical cosmology is is I just go straight to scripture after scripture after scripture after scripture, and that's what I stick with. And then when so much has to go over to science and go over to that, I'm like, ay, brolet's and and you will never ever ever see anybody that backs up the globe as a Christian go verse after verse after verse explaining the globe because it cannot happen.

No.

One, verse maybe two, and that's it. And just like you see the Pastor Greylock when he debated Pastor Dean Odle, he literally came with two verses that didn't have nothing to do with cosmology at all and started teaching other stuff. So you guys can see it. Man, I've debated people on my show. I've debated Peter Markley, which I respect.

Do you want to get into the to the sketchy.

Stuff we can, Yes, let's do it, man, we could do it. Yeah, let's get into the stuff that that that the big talking points of everybody's you know, the King Nicos, the uh modern Banjos and and what these gentlemen are going over.

Go ahead, bro, okay, well, let's just let's just talk about the Bate Gate because I think to me, this was like for for lack of veture, this was the smoking gun where I was like, I don't know what I I don't know what's true and what's not true, but I do know what I just saw. And I saw the King Niko video where he showed that that wits it. Who Obviously, there was this big debate about whether it was cold enough to see his breath or it was too dry. He blew out some vapor or

Yeah, yea, I have a heart live. I watched this live, just just letting you guys know. I watched his because dude, I was following this thing like a hawk. I saw what's it's live? I kept checking Jared, I kept checking what's it? Finally he was live cool, and I literally watched him. I watched it. And one thing you guys got to know, and he knows, and so does Jared, that dude, there's conspiracy theories. Bro. We're not just people that aren't gonna believe anybody. It don't matter if you're there.

You should you should, you should like yeah, because I think they.

Was this right here. He turned the camera off. He went because that that made me right away go why do he turn the camera off? He was taking live questions for example, okay, live questions. He opened, he put his head up or as glasses up, which they had glasses on the whole time. You can't see their eyes,

Yeah, well you're just gonna see the background. It's just no worry.

You got the expiracy theorists that are ready to break everything you do down. And he puts he puts the black screen. I go, I heard what the heck?

And in which supposedly he said he was trying to play a video, but like he wouldn't play regardless if he was trying to play a video, it would be weird for him to play a video instead of just seeing the background, because it wasn't like he wasn't going that long.

Wants to see that. Everybody wants to see what's going on. Everybody's watching every movement. And he puts the black screen on and I was watching everything too. I went, I was like, why did he do that? I even said it when he did it. I was watching it live, and I was like, why did he do that? And then he comes back and he goes and he says, oh, and you could see his breath and I'm like, what the heck?

And then there's a lot of breath, and.

His second breathe out you could barely see any breath. The third you can't see anything at all. And he says, oh, it's hurting my lungs. I don't want to do that anymore.

So let's hyperanalyze this though.

Yeah, the way he blew out, the way he tried to show his breath, he didn't go yeah like you would like, you know, like how you would blow out breath to blow out hot breath, because he blew out like you're blowing out a candle.

He blew out like he was blowing out smoke.

Or a vapor. Yeah, very obviously he did. And I know he was when you sent me a clip. I guess he was debating debating Flatzoid.

Yeah, and he was.

He was saying like that Flatzoid might have saw a an edited clip where he was ducking down. But the thing is the King Nico one that I saw it wasn't. It wasn't showing him duck down.

It did not look edited.

That one looks like that one was actually off of the twenty four Hour Son of Dave mckegan. They got that footage because the cameras that they were using out there, which are pretty pretty awesome as they have a three sixty view, so you could look around you besides looking at the sun. You could use that camera to look around you.

So he must not have known that, of course not.

He didn't know, no, so.

He So point being is he lied?

I mean I think I believe he lied because I think it looks very clearly like he was smoking a vape or puffing on a vape however you want to say it, vaping on a vape. And he walked over to the camera. You could see him set it down right where the camera was set up. And then that's immediately when he turned the screen on and blew into the thing. Yeah, and it makes sense that, like you could see his breath right then, and then it's kind of like he went inside to take a drink, and

Could have showed this is what you could have showed. Guys, this is an experiment right here, and when you drink water out here, you could see your breath. When you don't think it, you can't see it. That's all you can say. And then everybody wouldn't even thought anything about it.

His his lung his lungs hurt because he took it too, heard of it, pull from that jewel he had.

It was weird. I'm gonna be honest, bro that whole that whole thing right there was was a little strange.

Broth.

Does that make it that they faked the whole entire trip and all the footage that Jaren has that out of his gop or his body cam and everything that they did is fake. Does it make the whole thing fake because of that?

No?

But it did. It did. It was a little weird. Man. Even my wife, who was a glober, she's like she saw that and she was like wow.

Now wait, no way, let's let's get into real quick. But he was stuck so that that whole thing with flats And so this is why I kind of like, I've been kind of mostly quiet on my channel talking about it until I saw till you sent me. I saw that, and I said, I remember, I reached Week and I sent it to him, and I.

Sent it to JT because me and j T were gonna do a show in the final experiment last week, and I wanted to make sure that we have everything you know going here.

That Yeah, no, it was.

It was.

It's good that we didn't do it last week because I didn't. I was again, I wasn't his read on this. And so when I first saw the King Nico clip, I saw it on Twitter or X and I and I said, this looks bad for wits it.

And that's that.

That's all I said, because I didn't. I didn't say anything definitive. I said this looks bad. Yeah that if he did, if he did this, And so then you sent me that clip, and I was listening to part of it, and I, you know, like you could have can maybe convinced me that it was edited and he really didn't do that if he doesn't, he doesn't vape, if he did.

Not vape while he was down there.

Yeah, Now when you sent me that clip, they were arguing about like if he vaped on that shot or not.

Here's the crazy.

Part, dude, And I didn't notice this at first when I first listened to it.

So wits it for one again?

He proclaims Christ he comes off as a as an ahole. I mean, like the way he's calling people an r tart and then he's saying like that you he then he's trying to say, are you a Christian?

Do you know what bearing false witness in the Bible?

And it's like so he's trying to like use the Bible against somebody as he's at Hominem attacking him and saying things like that. That was that was, that was That's a bad look.

That was. That's when he was debating flat Soloid about the thing. And and yeah he did, he did come off, but he did at least he apologized a little bit.

Because but then, Josh, I know that some of these guys you're friends and stuff like that, but they're not my friends, so.

I don't know them.

So what I'm just saying is because I don't, I have as limited experience with them, I.

Like to put myself in their shoes. I could see what I would.

My point like that, But yeah, my point is is like that if you're representing Christ, then you're not doing You're not calling people those names.

You're no longer a flat earth that when you're representing Christ, bro, you are a Christian first, no matter what.

And you got it.

You gotta know that everybody is listening to you, not just because of your flat earth, but but a lot of people are following you because you say you're a Christian and you need to represent christ.

A lot of people have defended a lot of people have defended you because they're saying you're a Christian.

And he would listen because, yeah, well, when's the last time.

I was like, this must be the first time somebody said they were Christian and they maybe lied later, but you know, so he so here's the thing that obviously, just like I just was laughing almost how comical the things he was saying. Was that so that the red the smoking gun to me was the fact that he admitted that he vaped while he's down there.

Well, and so the smoking gun is this. Jaren was on his show live. He was doing a New Year's special or no I'm sorry Christmas special, and somebody on his live had asked him, did anybody bring a vape out there? This is before Jaren even knew about the video. I think of of of of WIT's it, because it

You know, well, you know, but yes, like so that the point being is so then he's so then his excuse for having a vape was that he's like literally breathing out contradictions as he talks.

He's saying like that.

He's like, yes, I did unexpectedly find a vape in my bag. I had it in some case with the chargers. He's like, I don't vape anymore. I used to vape, but while I was down there, I hit it a couple of times.

Yeah, yeah, but I did.

And this is the thing I said I just caught recently. Was when he's saying, but I did not vape. Then walk over to the scene, I mean, to the screen and blow the vapape out. But he said scene do you know that? You know that he said scene that that that's a little bit weird. So I was just joking on my stream when I was When I got asked about this, I said, that sounds like the dog ate my homework. That sounds like something you'd hear from one of your kids.

It was either he's trying to avoid one thing that you guys got to think about though. What if his wife gets mad about him vaping?

You know what I mean?

That's what It seemed like he was lying to cover that up or something.

I don't know, man, Well he was the point. The point is covering something up, bro, Yeah, the point is like that.

I don't care about why he was lying, but I mean, all I know is that it seemed like he lied weird and and and the way he was kind of like he did seem like when these people were like somebody was making a point of saying like that when you get caught, deny deny, deny, deny, and that I really felt like I felt like he was trying to be careful about by saying, oh, you watched an edited thing, and he was like trying to say, like.

I guess there was another video out which I haven't seen yet, or.

Something where he was dusking. He was ducking down.

So I don't know, but he did do so in the defense of what he did do a live with Owen Benjamin where you could see his breath the whole time. I guess he was drinking hot tea when he was doing that. And and you know what I would say is what's the conclusion to to the to the whole thing, like does it does it mean that these people were not in antarcticle because of that? What I would like, what I would say to everybody, bro and every single

Well, you know what I would say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're going to go out there and you're going to pick apart NASA stuff, prepare to have your stuff picked apart. Right, So it's kind of like that if you find if I find they're doing something hokey on the International Space Station. They should say, oh, well, you gotta wait to find everything out before you.

Say right, right, you're right, so.

You composition, you're in the position to pick up the useless. Yeah you can, you cannot. That's what I would like to ask him. If you saw somebody from NASA doing what you did, would you believe them? Should you believe them? Because, like I said, you could say, oh, you guys know me. It's like, bro, I don't know you. I don't know you at all. So I'm learning any of these people, I'm learning more about you now and based on this.

You can't pick up a vapro and just start using it anyway. You gotta plug it in. You gotta charge it, you gotta you gotta fill it. Dude. It's a pain in the butt. I vaped before, dude, when I quit smoking cigarettes, like like years ago, I was vaping, and dude, it's it is a pain in the butt, dude, because.

I remember an army.

Yeah, I was like, you can't just pick a vape up and start hitting it. First of all, you have to charge it. You got to fill it up. You got to make sure that the thing is not burnt. I can't remember what it's called. And and so you can't just pick up a vape and start hitting it, bro, you gotta plug it in. There's like, you got a preparation for this thing. You can't just take a vape out of your bag and start hitting because it's going to be dead. You gotta plug it in. So maybe

To put that, maybe maybe it was yeah, well I'm not even a speculat what it was, but yeah, but here's the here's the thing.

Okay, So.

As somebody who was trying to be objective about this, but again I'm skeptical because I was just saying, like, based on the title and based on what the result was when it when they came back, I was skeptical. So when I first put that out there, I said, this looks bad. I remember one point I kind of I kind of tweeted at him when somebody asked him about why did you go under that name the Final Experiment?

You like you.

I know you're smart enough to realize that by now. So with that being said, you get caught doing that and you're and you're right. That does not mean everything else was fade. But what it does mean is now I cannot trust you. I don't. I do not trust you anymore, so like to whatever that is is lost. The only way he could have gained a little back in that exchange was saying, you know what, I gotta be honest. It does look bad that I had a

Everyone saw you do it now.

So now you seem like a kid who's trying to say you didn't see what you thought you saw, because I can see it in his hand as he walks over, and you know, so whether that video was editor or not, you could see it.

In his hand and he sets it down and then he doesn't.

Run that video that you're talking about. I don't think that that was edited. The other one, I don't know. I never saw it.

Like I said, it doesn't matter because it's like that's the unin added version where you could see him walking around from camera, Yeah, yeah, setting it, setting it down, and then it.

Looks like he hit the vape, blew it out, hit the vape.

What's up?

Now?

Yeah, what's up?

Turned the camera on, and he blew out. That's what it looked like. Now I can't say it because I I can't tell him between breaths how long it was. I mean, who knows if he maybe he did hit it, blew it out and then came on camera blew out and he still had some access.

Well, it's like but the thing is, it is like he's like he's muddying the waters. When he's saying a little bit he's well he's poisoning the well by doing that, but he also is muddying the waters by saying like, oh, well, it's too dry to see your breath.

It's it's this.

It is like, you can't see your breath here, but even though you could see it here, even it's kind of like if if you're really down there, I don't got to defend if my breath comes out, and I'm like, I'm not telling you. I know why my breath is showing or not showing it sometimes, but I'm telling you, maybe it's too bright, maybe it's this, maybe it's that. I'm not sure why you can't see it. But I'm down here, so I don't need to say. I don't need to try to. I don't need to prove to

I even I swear when I saw it live, I was like, what was that? That was the weirdest thing I felt that way, bro, And and I'm giving what's it? And Jared the benefit of the doubt. I'm not. I'm not I'm not gonna sit here, bro and just be like this whole thing is fake and and it's a movie set. Like, bro, you can't yeah, you can't go from that to that, you know, you gotta see everything.

Yeah, no, no, I agree, I agree, but okay, so but I think things are starting to kind of compound. Now when I saw the shirtless picture. What do you think about the shirtless picture? Wait? What did you notice about the shirtless picture? I think there's a few things in there.

Well, one thing that that, uh, that was pointed out so far is that the background is the same as the twenty sixteen phone. That's one thing that somebody said, like, yeah, the exactly the same.

Well for one, I don't know, bro, Yeah, they're the mountains.

They look way way closer to that mountain than the base camp appeared to be in the other picture. Yeah, but it does seem like that the snow covering on the mountain is exactly the same, Like you can see the exact same exposed rocks. Yeah, like to a to a grant to a snowflake, like where you can see the exposed rocks on that mountain look identical.

Did you notice that?

Yeah, I saw the picture. I saw that man and one of my friends that I John Pounders. He actually put it on his site, and I was surprised he put it on his because he's not like a biblical cosmologist really and he put it on his and you know, and I was like, wow, so what.

Did he so? What do he what was his conclusion?

I think I took a picture of it, because man, I'm I'm following this like a tea and you know what, dude, I uh, okay, so he was he just made circles like I don't know if.

You guys you guys, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, basically.

Showing exactly what the background looked like in twenty sixteen and exactly the way that that that looks today or when they did it. I'm sorry, and uh, I don't remember what he said on the bottom. I can't see what he said on the bottom.

Well, I would say that based on and here's why I'm I'm a little bit slow.

I'll just a full disclosure. I will say that.

If that twenty sixteen picture is not edited, if this looks really bad, I would I would say that I lean toward that being a fake background if if that because but it's very possible the twenty sixteen picture could have been altered to reflect what they saw there. Because that's why I wanted to try to show that. Yeah, because if that because that could be true. Like I said, so,

Thing that they pointed out. That's a little weird.

What else, Okay, So that being said, like, yeah, that I believe that the snow would be slightly different. You might see different rocks. It's like you're talking about almost you know what, eight years later the rocks in snow are exactly the same.

Yeah, that's weird. Take.

And I'm saying they are exactly the same exactly right?

Would you? Would you agree with that?

I would agree with it. If that thing is not edited at all, they are exactly the same. Yeah, they look exactly the same to me from what I'm looking at. Yeah.

And is it likely that that the snow would be identical?

No, not exactly the same though, No.

It's it seems really unlikely. What else do you notice about the shirtless picture?

Uh? Well, they're all ten I'm just kidding, maybe they're maybe there in Florida and not just kidding. I noticed, Uh what else do I know? Go ahead, you go ahead. Do you notice that Jared is not doesn't have a shirt off, He's got he's got his his.

Like, what do you do you do you see any kind of a pattern?

Oh? Right there the shirt off one one doesn't.

Color, color of the shirts colored the shirts.

You are better at at this kind of thing. Uh, obviously she's not gonna have ever shirt off. But yeah, black shirts.

Right, black shirts, and you have white white men black and white.

Yeah, like black and white Freemason thing right.

It's it looks like like do you think it was an accidents they posed like that?

I don't know, man, I don't think it was an accident that they did. They did it exactly like that. No.

Yeah, So so I've seen people and I think the flatter with Banjo, and I watched a little bit of his stuff, and like I said, I don't I'm not necessarily trying to promote his chain on trying to say that everything he's posting is accurate, But a lot of people have pointed out that wits it in his like I guess his header on YouTube.

He's got to do.

He's got the black and the white symbolism, and then you see this, what does that mean? That's not Christian? Duality is not Christian. The ying and yang is not Christian like that. That is some that's some freemasonry checkerboard stuff. So again, I'm not someone who believes in coincidences like

People do that before.

Now this is different. This is this. This is what I see in this picture reminds me of a photo shoot that somebody is doing the Vogue cover and then they're covering up one eye or you're seeing like a movie cover and you're seeing half of somebody's face or you're seeing them do the do the osiris risen pose?

I'm not and I'm not doing them right now.

Because I don't want people to to clip this right now. But you know what I'm saying, like like, so this is what So when you pose like that, like this is a big deal. You're in Antarctica, You're posing in front of this thing. Like so like, first of all, why are your shirts off? It ain't because you're ripped. Nobody got a good body with their shirt off over there. They kind of look it looks it looks really lamero.

Why would you even do that?

Why you got nobody's looking good with their shirt off over there? So why are your shirts off?

Is it because you guys didn't have white shirts or where that have been too obvious?

It was a ah man, it is listen. It was really strange. And also, man, it's eighteen degrees there, bro Okay it's not And and you know, why would you take your shirt off if you're worried about your hands getting cold? Why would you have your shirt off?

You know, like, yeah, it's so cold it hurts to breathe in deeply. Yeah, but my shirt is off.

Again, I thought, I think it's a little weird that you see some of these videos. It does not look like there's a breath of wind. Nobody's hair moves at all. You don't hear anything in the camp. You don't hear the mic picking up any any wind. And I'm just thinking, like the perfect.

It does. It does seem like it was absolutely perfect.

And they have storms before, and that had storms. Even storm came December seth they actually had to leave early because the storm was coming and it was gonna hit hard.

What they couldn't even if a storm is coming, there would have been some winds in the interim right as as it came in. You know, I've been, I've loved snowboard and skiing and stuff, and I've been, I've been, I've done some in the springtime where yeah, you could you could have snowboard with your shirt off.

You could go like this do with but you know what is Broca got snowboarding pants because you can you know, right yeah, right, well yeah, even on the warm even on the warmest days, you would still likely have gloves.

Because you wouldn't want to have to touch because the snow is still cold. Yeah, it would still make your hands worse. But a lot of days that when we did that, it was like fifty degrees or sixty degrees and it was sunny and there was no way.

They had a blown snow at night. They blow the snow at night, and then you snowboard and it's like fifty degrees. It's not Yeah, that's exactly what that's.

Yeah.

So so the point is, it ain't eighteen degrees. No eighteen degrees, whether it's sunny or not, it's going to be really cold.

I've been in Tahoe when it was fourteen degrees before and it was freezing, bro. You know it was freezing. Yeah, I was cold bro.

So yeah, so the point, the point being is like that.

Yeah.

Again, these are more contradictions where it's like it's so cold that you you're you it hurts your lungs when you breathe in, but you're not even wearing a hat, like you're not nobody's you're not covering your ears up, you're not wearing gloves. I mean, I could I could maybe see an explanation like you're manipulating an iPad or a phone or something, so you don't it doesn't work.

Obviously, you don't want to have anything on your hands because you're you're gonna you know, you're typing your your checking. You wanted to be checking his phone. He wanted to be answering live. So there's a few things, man like, Like I said, man like, there's there's things that he was doing where it's it's it's it's obviously explainable.

Well again, so this is so this is to me when I see you get.

A breaking down codes, let me know, bro, what you what you thought about that picture? What? What is? What do you see besides that anything else?

Well let me let me let me pull it up real quick just to examine it, because it's like you could I mean, I guess that's the thing. It's like when you when you do that with those guys, did it's.

I could email it to you too if you don't have real quick.

I mean, it's like withs it it's almost like, I mean, it could be possibly maybe it's reaching a little bit. I mean the guys are kind of like covering up their hands, you know, like the one guy's not. But it's like, what's it's covering up a hand?

Is that a hidden hand? Thing?

I mean, it's I don't want to reach too far, but I would say that to me, it's very obvious that they're showing you you see white black white black, white black white black.

You know what I mean, Like, of course, then there's somebody wearing blue on the end. But like we've.

Already established, well, obviously we've established quite a pattern here where it's like, yes, I think that because I'm not stupid, and of course I'm trying to be as wise as a serpent, as innocent as a dove.

I'm not gonna automatically say it, but I.

Would say this is a reason on top of the other reason you've given me, on top of the other reason you give me that I do not trust you. And if and if that background neither of those pictures have been manipulated in those in those rock, the rock and snow covering on that is exactly the same, then now I do question if if any of it.

Was real, because you wouldn't need to do that.

I mean, because like I said, if you photoshopped the background in there, because that's what I would believe that if they if it's exactly the same and neither neither picture was manipulated, and that's not even getting to the shadows, because I'm not even I'm not one of these people I want, I don't want even want to talk about what shadows do versus certain light, because again, I'm not

Moves when you're debating. He's calculating moves. He is, he's he's very intelligent to get people like sucked into a certain way and then he like destroys them this way right right, calculates every movie does is calculated, you know.

So so to me, it's like, I I do almost want I mean, I I think there's two ways that I wonder how these guys are going to react later. What sounds like Jaron is maybe he's already calculating where he's going to make his next grift is to go for yeah, to promote to promote the ball Earth but

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I and honestly I've looked at uh. I didn't buy it because he did put it up. But Jenen does have like a five hour body cam of him getting on the plane, of him of him getting on the plane, them doing uh, you know, putting, showing a compass, everything showing out the windows. So he does have like a he has like a whole entire thing out and I've seen clips of it, you know.

So dude, we've also seen people walk on the moon, Josh, Yeah, I know, I know, I see video. Richard Nixon called those guys when they're on the moon, how can they affect how can they how can they affect that?

Yeah, I know, I know, So I would say at this point personally, I think they did go to Antarctica. I think that that Jared did did uh? You know, I think they did go. I'm not going to doubt that they went to Antarctica. I think they did go. And a lot of these people like King Nico and Flatterer with Banjo, I think that they they do believe they went to Antarctica. They're not going to deny that. So seeing the twenty four hour Sun, I don't know, man, I gotta see. I'm not gonna call Jared a liar

You You won't go as far to say as that he lied about the babe.

Oh no, I'm not going to say oh that part, Oh yeah, that part I told you that that's undecided At this moment.

You just don't want to say.

You could say like I just don't want to be you can say that you can't like what I said on my thing, and I'm this is what I stick by. I say, do I believe he lied? Yes, I believe it. Could I be wrong, Yes, I could be wrong, but I believe. But I believe I do not tru And that's what I was saying, like that, I feel confident in saying here's why I don't believe you in the same way that I'm not being a hypocrite because I said, if it was Mound Kid did that, I wouldn't believe mand Kid.

It was the weirdest thing, bro the way the flatwood was weird saying that.

But do you believe one of your employees? You know what I'm saying, Would you believe?

Like?

Who?

Who?

Would would you believe your spouse?

You know?

Like I'm say, like, that's what I'm saying.

When you hear somebody talking to you like that, what's your natural reaction is like, it's not because I'm trying to make a liar out of you.

It's like because you sound like you lie to me.

Yeah, And I think that that's like, that's that's just being just being fair and flatzoid.

He's one of my friends too. I listened to this show all the time. He's so he was telling he wasn't lying to wits It when you he was. He wasn't lying either because he believes what he's saying, you know, so so for for wits It to say that you're lying right now or he's lying, like they shouldn't do that, bro.

Well right, they're they're they're arguing about something that's like It's like I think that that's what probably because wits it is It is good at debating, so he kind of knows how.

That's why he wanted to. He wanted him in that arena. He wanted it like basically he didn't want to, Like I didn't see him coming out on his show live. He hasn't been doing anything and that's how he makes his money. Bro.

That's see if it was me, See if it was me, this is this is how I would do it. I would I would be like, Okay, I'm going to ask you some questions because here's what I saw, and I would do it like a reporter style. Well, I'm saying, do you understand why people don't believe you when you said you accidentally brought a vape to Antarctica?

After seeing the video? Like you know what I mean? Like, is it like would would you believe somebody?

So if you if you were saying the things you said, and then if you did that, and I could say, and also as a Christian, do you think you should be calling people names as you're as you're quoting the Old Testament saying that they're they're sinning?

You know what I'm saying?

Like it isn't that kind of almost like saying like when when Jesus says, do you not call your brother a fool?

Right?

So what is that not equal to call somebody a fool? So look what about when Jesus says this? Does that bother you that you could be talking like this? And then you're supposed to be representing this And again you're actually supposed to be representing not only you know, science, but Christ because you were going down there doing this thing.

Why you gotta be careful, bro, you can't. There's certain ways that like maybe he didn't. I just I don't think that he thought that people would just not believe him because he's been representing the debate's style.

Well that and I think, but I think that immediate people didn't believe.

Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, because dude, I have Dude, this is the game man, It's like, this is what this is what we've chosen to do.

I put myself out there.

You put yourself out there and people will start to question you, and rightfully so, because like why I always say, don't trust me.

I tell people to not trust me.

I tell people research to check behind the things I say because I could be an idol to somebody at some point, and like I don't want to be responsible for everything that they believe or they think. So so that being said, I like I just said, if if I got on Joe Rogan, lots of people would say, hmmm, how did he go?

Immediately?

How did he how did he get on that show? And fully have they would right.

Does JT have one hundred thousand followers on Instagram? And how does he get on Joe Rogan that's exactly right.

So then you would say, so then all a sudden they'd be like j T sounded a little different when he was on the show too. He didn't talk like he normally does. He like he said he's And then they would start to pick apart things that I said and inconsistencies and things I said, and they would be like they got to him, They got to him. He's getting paid, and you know what the point is is

That's part and parcel of it.

So you're held accountable at a higher level than than Joe Schmoe.

Uh yeah, and you're representing Yeah, and and I agree, I totally agree, man, And he did. He did say I understand you guys questioning it, and he said he's not against that obviously, but if you put yourself in their shoes, okay, let's say you're you're Jared, You're with's it, you're Elizabeth, uh, and you went out there one and you did go through the whole entire experience. You did,

Yeah, A couple of things though, go ahead, what do you think about the way that the sun seemed to warp when it was doing that, when it was going around?

Did you notice that I did that?

I did it stretched, it stretched, it squeezed, and it I at this moment all we have right now, this is what I think should have happened. Bro. One Here's something I forgot to mention. They did have a live stream of the sun on Candice Owen's Rumble and they were live streaming the twenty four hour Sun. Bro. If they would have live streamed the twenty four hour Sun, there would be everybody would have been not even questioning it.

But what happened?

Oh yeah, yeah, oh yea yeah, yeah, they would have questioned it still, but they wouldn't have questioned it as much, you know.

Yeah.

Anyways, you're right, they're still a question that the live stream cut off after like an hour and forty four minutes and they erase the video off of off of brumble. Now there's people, bro, that were literally watching that video when that happened, and they were like, what the heck? And these are conspiracy theorists, mind you? All right?

So yeah, so.

Probably sold Dave shout out to him. He was one of them that was watching it, and he was literally he said he put it, he put it, put it on record, and he and he took off, he went to sleep, came back and it was gone, and he was like, whoa. So that is a red flag for these people, bro, there's there's red flags that happened, Bro, that made it, that made it.

So here here's another one. And I could be wrong.

I've heard this, and you would probably be the person asked what other experiments did the flat earthers do while they were down there?

Okay, so at this moment, I don't know everything that they did. They haven't they had.

That I've heard.

I've heard people say they didn't do any.

Yeah, and you know what people are saying that, But I haven't heard that from jar and I haven't heard that from wits it themselves.

What what would you What would you say if you found out they didn't do any other experiments when they were down there?

I would say that I don't want to judge them, bro, because I don't. Okay, I've been in in the military.

I feel like you're trying to to be overly nice. I know that, like I'm not, and I'm not trying to push you too hard. But I'm trying to say is that if they don't get any experiment, you like, you know that you know these guys and I and I said, I respect the fact I don't know these guys.

I don't know them like that either though.

That's why I'm trying to say that if you like, even if there's people that I know who did that, I would be like.

Okay, So.

If I'm going on somebody else's dime, and let's just say they have this agenda to to to throw this final experiment in the face of all flat earthers, well then I'm going to have a CounterPunch.

I'm gonna either I'm gonna have two things.

I'm going to have a potential argument that still fits the fits a flat Earth model. Right, I'm already gonna have that because obviously have tons of time to get down.

In the chamber.

I've got I've got what you're thinking, Like they've decided to go in this thing is like how long have you had to think about it? Obviously they know about like Joe Hanby's model. It seems to show like with the dome reflection that kind of a thing. Other you know, there's other obviously alternative explanations, but that I'm going to have that in my back pocket because I'm just saying I'm skeptical.

I don't know what I'm going to see.

Yeah, but if I see this, I'm going to say, here's a potential idea. And I might even float that idea first.

But then what I'm going to do is I'm going.

To have other experiments while I'm down there, because I'm going to say, well, I didn't agree that it was a final experiment.

And here's why, because actually.

I did this experiment, and I did this experiment, and actually this does seem to conclude. Like again, people say they could use distance things, and they could say that because obviously, because it's a flat plane, you could see really far right like you could you could do different kinds of experiments that way you would come back and you wouldn't come back like you And.

I think that some bullets in the chamber right.

Well, that's see.

I think that is the problem is that why did I was kind of skeptical from about the whole thing at the very beginning was that they were saying not saying a whole lot. And then I saw the videos of them saying like I'm tired and I'm ready to come home, almost like their Forrest Gump who just went on that journey and he just was running other I'm tired, and everybody's following him, and then they just he just

Bro and mctune. Did you know about mctune? Bro? He called Nathan Oakley road. He was like yelling at him, saying, I'm in Antarctica, you idiot. And he's a Christian mind you mc tune supposedly, right, Christian. I'm not saying as there is and I don't know what his relationship is with God. But he calls Nathan Oakley, which is like a big debater in the Flattered community, and he goes,

You're a liar, yelling.

At the guy bro and Nathan Oakley's like, man, I feel great knowing that I'm rent free in your head, you know. Or you're gonna call me from Antarctica and tell me this right now.

So I thought it was so that's what I'm saying, So like, so let me just ask let me just ask you a question just to follow up what I was saying. Go ahead, you think that that's more reason to question them? If they did zero experiments while they were down there.

If they did zero, yes, I think it is. If they didn't, if they didn't have anything planned, like I think maybe if they threw in the towel and they're just like, hey, the twenty four hour sons here, we're done. But I haven't heard because from what experiments they did. I haven't seen any of their footage. They might have done things that we don't know about, and I don't want to say it until I find out because I don't know what they did. I have no idea.

Well, because you know that observing the sun is not an experiment at all, anyone observation, it's not even an experiment. So it's like, so the final experiment was actually no experiments at all, but that's not an experiment.

The globers were doing experiments there though, and they did experiments and there were okay, so now okay, so we're gonna hear about them.

So that's what I'm saying, bro like that, if the globers were doing experiments and then the flat earthers did nothing.

Which I don't know yet.

I don't know yet, well, I mean, well, I'm saying if yeah, well we'll still wait here. But I would say that if they had anything that was probably good, they we probably would have heard about it by now. I think maybe you'd think to like try to like sway the angry mob that's coming after these guys. You think that maybe they would have done something. But if they didn't, is wouldn't you say that that's more Ammo? That this is what a lot of people are saying this.

In their defense, in their defense, they were limited to fifty pounds, right, so that that that happened, and then when they got there, this is just what they this is coming from them, Okay, when they got there, they said, oh, you were allowed to have fifty pounds per bad. So there was some things there that that was a little shady. I know, JT. I know, we're good fierce concern.

I mean they're.

I know, and stay out things. Yeah, I'm just pointing out things. So I don't know what they.

Do when you're limited to this, when you're limited to this certain thing in the in your in your bag. Do you think you'd accidentally take a vape?

Yeah? No. And me, dude, when I sit back from the military, I'm gonna let you guys know something, man, and this this inspecific because if you look at if you actually researched this this trip, you have certain items you have to bring or you cannot go on this trip. So you do have to be very thorough on what

Yeah, that's why I think.

I think that it is weird. But I just wouldn't go.

And that's why I would say that.

To me, it just boils down to a man's integrity because if I don't trust him here, if you would lie about something small, would you lie about something big.

Yeah you yeah, I think that you would. I think that.

I mean, it just shows that you you you can't be trusted. It doesn't mean that you're lying. I mean, the best a you ever heard the story of the Boy who Cried Wolf. He told the truth at the end, but nobody believed him. Yeah, you know, so like there was a wolf at the end of that story. But that's the thing, like eventually no one believed him, and that's obviously the moral of that story is you shouldn't

And of course, yeah, so.

I'm bringing my camera, I'm bringing my laptop, I'm bringing different things, and I'm checking to make sure I got everything I need, you know, making sure you got all your chords and stuff like that, because I've done that where you're like you forgot according You're like, dang, I

Yeah.

There, you know, you could go you could replace anything, anything you needed. You could just go get that you forgot.

Especially charters. Bro, you're gonna go through your charge.

But I don't know, I don't know what. I don't know what antarctica is.

Like I would probably say, I need to make sure I got all this stuff from my equipment. I need to do all the things, and I need to use this this time wisely because I'm gonna be I'm not gonna just be used, you know, like I'm gonna use this opportunity to go on somebody else's dime. I'm gonna do my own videos. I'm gonna do all kinds of stuff for my own content. I'm gonna do experiments. I'm gonna you know what I'm saying, Like you would maximize your time while.

You're down there.

Probably you've got because you've got nothing but time when you're sitting on some ice cube, right yeah, right, So you would do that. And then so the fact that if they didn't do Dave.

McGegan stayed up, Bro. They said he stayed up for forty eight hours, is what they said. Dave Keegan is the glober. He is the camera specialist. He's the one that filmed the twenty four hour sun, supposedly did the time lapse. He has a three sixty camera. Anytime anybody had any questions about the camera, they would go to Dave mcgagan. Supposedly he was, you know, even though he goes against flat earthers, he was supposedly pretty nice guy

Yeah, what, Yeah, that would be harder to do.

But I don't know what experiments the globers did yet, but I know that they did some experiments down there to try to prove the globe. Now, I don't know what Jared and Austin did because they haven't put out their stuff yet. It's behind a paywall and I'm not going to pay for that. Yeah, okay, because I'm a content content creator, as well, and I don't make a

Would encourage people to be very skeptical of like giving those guys money after what just which just took place, because like I said.

They're.

Their living just letting you guys know, well.

Right, yeah, but this so I guess to the point is like now that like, you know, I think that what we do is we maybe like when my friends have a book, I tell people to buy the book if you want to store people in that kind of way, and like, yeah, like I said, we do a movie, I want to give you something, and yeah, like I have like obviously, you know, full disclosure, I have a subscriber's side and I have a member's only side, and and I try to give people, but I mean, these

That being said, like do you believe in what they're doing?

You know, so like obviously that's if you believe in what somebody is doing, then you it's cool to subscribe and to support somebody. But at this point, I think people maybe be skeptical of like believing what they're doing. And so if you pay to see their Patreon, well, I mean, don't be surprised if you're disappointed in what you see behind that paywall now, because it's like, if they had anything really good, they could put it on YouTube right now and go viral, and they could well.

The way the way he put it behind his pay wall, I guess he had people that that donated for him to get a camera. So what he said is that he's gonna give that to them first, you know, and then they're seeing it, and then then he puts it on his paywall, and then after that he's gonna have

I think that was again again that that added to my my skepticism was that how quiet they had been like during like coming after when they came back, when they came very very very quiet, which it almost it almost makes me think are they trying to get their story straight? Because like, why wouldn't you just come right out and just just speak candidly about some of stuff.

What do you think about? I guess one of the things that I'm sure.

People are going to ask about before we get off here is the green screen snaffo with like like the guy's jacket showing like the TFE thing.

I like that. I think he may have done that on purpose to see how who's paying attention, because he immediately came out with the vig you know, after that, saying that and dude, think about it, He's in that article. So I was even hearing this stuff. He immediately came out with the video after that and said, Hey, this is what happened. This is the green this is I'm hearing this conspiracy theory from flatzoid and from this person, and uh and this is obviously this is what happened.

Dave Weiss seems really like he is trying to defend them so hard.

It's like a damage control for everything that's coming out.

At first, I actually kind of like kind of respected the green because I know I saw immediately Dave Weiss did the green screen thing and he said, look, guys, and I was like, okay, that's that's cool. I mean because I was to make us look stupid because I don't know, but I would. I guess the thing is like because I filmed stuff like I don't record, like I'm in my podcast studio when like you know what I mean, Like I feel like that you would have

Okay, I don't know. This is not a green screen. This is just a zoom. What's it called zoom?

But yeah, But the point being is like that if I was on location with something like that, I think you would.

It seems weird to me. Again, like as somebody who records have done it.

Okay, think about this, JT. He's a very smart guy. Bro Will Duffy is very calculated and he is very smart. Dude, he is, dude, he is very intelligent and smart. Even when he goes into debates, he has he can he can suck you in and he does eat. So I'm just gonna say he's very smart. So he could have done that on purpose to find out how much we're paying attention. Does that make I think?

I think people already know, But I mean, I guess the point is like that, again, this is just another thing. It's like it's it's a reason too. What about when there's a green screen in in the International Space Station?

Oh my gosh, people, because everybody does.

Does everyone say, oh, well, they just had the wrong program recording, so there was really actually there. But you know what I'm saying, like, so like when you do that kind of stuff.

So did you see the drone footage that he did. He basically said, I'm not on a green screen, look and and he takes his drone and he puts it forward and then he puts it back and and what happened was when he put it back and went back, and it was like that means that when it's gonna hit something and makes that noise. So there's another video out saying that that drone was gonna hit the screen that they had back to that's why I made the noise.

Yeah, Eric was getting deeper, bro.

Eric.

Eric Dubay had a really interesting video when he was showing how they have these these Amazton Amazon's three sixty studios, and I was like, uh, jang, that is really you know, because I didn't know that.

They had that kind of technology.

So when I saw that, I'm like, I'm not saying like they did, that's what they were in, but I was saying like that, I didn't realize how realistic somebody could make a fake, you know, environment.

And so I saw that you go there and it looks.

So yeah, yeah, yeah, so I guess the point is I guess the point is like that, well, yeah, I

No, like, yeah that you know that, That's not going to work for me.

So now I'm just saying, like that what I've seen here and I'd like to see I want to see more stuff because I'm not going to go out there and say it was all faked. Yeah, but I would say that based on Eric Dubay's videos showing how it could be faked and then showing like that picture that did seem like those mountains could have been a screen because it looked exactly like this this previous picture of Antarctica that same area, and.

They looked way I was sixteen guys, if you guys.

But you know, it's also an interesting because he was saying, because he was kind of showing like that, if you chroma keyed the background out of thing, like where you would get the edge and it's almost like if you if you put him out in the background, it would look closer.

They were constantly saying on their lives too. They like, I heard Jared and I heard What's It say this like a bunch of times, like you guys do not want to come out here. This is terrible. You'd never want to try to come out here. They said it a lot, you know, so that's something, you know what you know? And Dave Weiss came on a lot of different shows and I and I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything about Jaren or What's It or these are just little things that you notice as you go.

I don't Yeah, and I just you know, you know, you know what, I you know what else? They said it before we before we got I know, we gotta run but you know what else they said, It was like, it seems a little suspicious. These mountains look way closer.

If you got kept.

Saying that, why you Some of them said that they're ten miles away. One of them said they're two miles away. These things look so close, we could touch them. They're so close. What does that meantime?

What are they like?

Uncle Rico? I could throw a football over these mountains? What are you talking about?

Like?

So if I showed up to Antarctica, I wouldn't know how close the mountains are supposed to be be perceived to people back home. You know, it's weird because that's not really how cameras work either. Because you ever you ever taken you ever looked outside and saw the moon and say, Dan, you take pictures of it all the time, that moon looks huge, and then you take a picture of.

It, you're like, it's just small. It looks small, doesn't and it looks like a light.

So the so the opposite is typically true. Your own eyes do not make it look like the mountains are close. They would look like they're where they would look further away, and the camera would not make them look closer.

It would make them look further away, even further away. Yes, right, so it takes away some of that refraction and it and it puts it like and what it actually kind of looks to me.

To me, that seems like a strange thing to say. Yeah, right, it's almost like, hey, these mountains look too close. Look at this picture. They look too close. Explain why they look too close? Yeah. Otherwise it's like I don't have to defend where the mountains. You can see the mountains in the picture, because like I'm.

Here, Yeah, who cares? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm.

Saying, Like you're trying to make defenses for things that people have not even started questioning yet. So now when people say, hey, those mountains do look too close? Do you remember when he said this?

Yeah, it's like.

And they kept saying that over and over. Yep. So there's there's things. Okay. So so in conclusion, bro, what do you think JT. I'm gonna ask you, what do you think? Bro?

I would i would say I'm leaning toward it was that it was mostly fake. Like I don't know to what level it was fake, but I would say that just because of the just just because of those things where it's.

Like that, Well, I won't say that. I would say that, I'm.

You think they were in Do you believe that they went to Antarctica.

I believe they went somewhere in the southern hemisphere and they were in some icy place. I believe that they were they were somewhere there. I don't believe that they were at that self poll. I mean whatever that wherever that place was. The final experiment to me would have been flying over the South Pole and coming back around the other side.

That is the.

Exactly that would have been the final That would have been the final experience. You could have really convinced people if you could have done if you could have proved that. Okay, So that being said, I am kind of I'm I'm I'm on the fence. I could be I could be swayed either way, but I would say that there is all the reason in the world to just say I can't trust it, and I'm just like, so, so I'm gonna go on doing whatever I was doing before this, and now I don't want people say, oh, you should

So I don't want him on my show.

I wouldn't have him on my podcast because I don't really I don't. I I don't respect him at this point, you know, because I don't like the way he talk to people.

I don't. I don't believe him.

So even I he said like I said on the thing I said, so I could not trust him going forward unless I met him and I knew him and I got to know him and I got to hear more about it.

But like, but maybe he could kind of explain himself. I want to I just want to expect.

But I'm saying, but I'm saying, like to me, it's kind of like that those guys have kind of lost it for me. And then yeah, then then I have the greater flatter of community of people like like Dave, who seems like you're going a little bit, you know, cause it's kind of like just say, like you were saying, like you and I, me and Josh our friends, and we're becoming better friends as we do more podcasts together.

But if you did something that I saw sketchy.

I would defend you as much as I could, but I would be careful not to defend you too much because I don't want to get on the other side of it and find out, oh dang, he did actually do some of the things that people are accusing him, because then that would make me look bad, you know, So you'd have a cautious thing. But it does feel like he is he didn't go. But maybe it's almost like it's better if one of us does not go.

It's it's all interesting, bro and and guys, that's why I wanted to do the show with JT because he's really good at breaking things down. And yeah, so in conclusion, for me, I want to make sure that everything comes out. Maybe we'll do a follow up show once we see everything, see what will experiments they did, once I get a little more deeper in the in the and maybe I have Jaron on the show in two weeks. Maybe me and j he could do a follow up show. Maybe we'll have Pastor rich on.

But yeah, at this.

Moment, and asked and mass Pitt Pastor Dean about I want to I want to hear a follow up from Pastor Dean saying, did you know that you were cutting a promo for these guys debunking your whole mom?

We already did a sermon and what he said is that the devil could be doing a lying wonder in the sky and and be, you know, doing being acting like the sun. Yeah, it's very interesting, man.

But it's like, but so you see though, but you're still he's.

Still you connected that a map to the Bible.

Which well, you see, but you see what he did though. But it's like, but you're the one who gave them the rope to hang you Amo, Yeah, so you like you did that. So like that's why I would say that if I saw that the movement of the sun, or potentially what would appear to be the sun, then I would say, well, that's really interesting. And I guess I said, well, maybe that one map's wrong. Okay, I'm going back to making videos about I mean, I'll look, I'll look.

Into this further when I can.

But you're like, but I would say that, no, it does not debunk the observable lack of curvature and other observations that we've already made. So this is one more data point, yeah, to maybe hopefully getting.

Up what we're doing. If everything's on the up and up and it's one hundred percent true. It's a data point that we can use, you know, to go further. But it's definitely not a final experiment, you know, And it definitely does not prove Biblical cosmology wrong. The Bible makes no such claim. The Bible does. In Palms nineteen one through six, it talks about the sun does a circuit. That just means it starts at one point ends in

Don't marry yourself as Christians to non believers.

Yes, you gotta be careful with that.

That's what I'm and that's what I'm trying to say that That's why I like, yeah that ultimately we are, we believe in biblical cosmology, we are, we can. I'm not saying you can't watch these guys videos when they're trying to potentially make interesting observations, but yeah, like that's

Yeah?

He I mean like what I mean, it's a it's a natural but.

Hast Okay, So one thing we do have to say on Janes, if he has put ten years of his life into this, and he has put he's done, live after live after life. He does not like er dubat.

But what I'm saying is he but he got has he got paid to do it?

Yeah?

Yeah, I mean, he's got you know. So that's what I'm just saying.

That's what all I'm trying to say, is like that I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, and that that's why I'm saying, like that if you if you are not you know, think about in the in the matrix, if you're not unplugged, then you could be an agent at any time. Yeah. Right, that's the whole thing where we always talk about, like people always wonder like how could how could these elites, all this coordinated

Yes, So that's why I'm saying.

So like that's why, like that, when you put yourself out here as somebody who believes in the truth, and you believe in Jesus, and you and you are trying to walk the narrow path that if you're if you're showing cracks in that way, we know you can be comprom because even honestly, I can speak for myself. Is like I worry one day if I ever got offered like all the things that I want. You always think about that story is that Jesus was coming to get

You had to have owned it at that time for him to offer it, or it's not a temptation.

But you know what I'm saying.

But if there's a there's a it's the discernment is knowing the difference between right and almost right, like so going walking the narrow path and taking it the way you're supposed to do it. So the point is, if I ever got offered like a platform, a podcast, and I could do this full time, and I could do it successfully, But if then I had somebody who was offered me the money and the things the means to do it. Then they say, well, now you got to say this.

Don't talk about it.

You can't talk about it. You can't say those kind of a thing.

So so there is a that's again it all comes down to that whole verse when he's saying, I'm sending you amongst the wolves, so be as wise as serpent and innocent as doves. Yes, So it just means like that, Yeah, like the devil is very is very crafty, he's very slick. He can manipulate people knowingly and unknowingly. Yeah, and then if you're influenced by those people, that's how he can influence you.

So point being as yeah, we need to be.

We need not accuse people outright, but we do need to say that. No, I don't have to I don't have like it's not bearing false witness to say I don't believe somebody.

Yeah, just don't say you're a liar, like you know what I'm saying. But if but just be skeptical for sure. So I got I gotta get going. I know you do too. My dad is going to be running down at any minute. So I always end this in prayer, So let's do that. So Father God in the name of Jesus, we appreciate everything you do for us. Lord. This is this is something that is a subject that is big. But we like we do, Lord, We we

Lord.

We put your word first. We let you be true. Every man a liar. Romans three four says that that's what we try to do. Everybody that went out to the Final Experiment, you know, and did everything they tried to do. That's that is that is the worldly stuff that has no bearing on us. But we we do pay attention to it, just because I want to make sure that when I'm when I'm you know, teaching biblical cosmology and teaching your word, I want to make sure I'm teaching it correctly. So if you can help us

Lord.

If this whole thing is a lie, exposed the Lord and help people to expose it. But if it is on the up and up and truth, then help it to come to truth. You know, we appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you and everybody that's listening. If you could supernaturally help them, assist them to read the Bible and Lord, next week we're gonna pick up on Exodus seventeen, so help me teach that as best as possible. Okay,

Yeah, way think JT follows JC on YouTube. Also, I'm on Instagram, Spotify, all this stuff. I think I got rid of the name of Cutting Babylon just because I don't really hardly ever post under that plat that kind of podcast name anymore. So you can just look up JT follows JT JT, j JT follows JC on Apple and Spotify, and then I'm on also on Rumble, but yeah, appreciate appreciate this, Josh, Yeah.

This was this was fun. I think this is fun.

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