Crypto Rundown: Who Bought The Bitcoin Dip & BlockRock's Next Big Move for Ethereum

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, everyone, welcome back to the crypto 101 run down presented by Gemini, your bridge to the future of money. [SPEAKER_01]: Man, we're coming in hot here, December is coming to a close, it's almost the end of the year, and is still a lot to talk about. [SPEAKER_01]: But just real quick, before we begin, this year has been a wild one. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen a lot of comments and questions and concerns and excitement.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen all the different emotions over the course of this year. [SPEAKER_01]: But as we're beginning to come to a close, we're looking back and saying, number one, this year's flu and vibe, number two, it's been a roller coaster. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we started the year off with Bitcoin hitting new all-time highs, most cryptos hitting new all-time highs. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we had the tear of crash, the first black swan event.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we came in and we rallied off those bit quaint new all-time highs afterwards. [SPEAKER_01]: Then we saw the largest liquidation event ever in crypto history. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we came back down and that's what we're kind of in now. [SPEAKER_01]: But we've been at this unique point where we are at the highs, then we saw a black swan, and we went back to the highs, then another black swan, and then we're going back and forth, and back and forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, despite all of that, what we've seen is so much growth.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about growth from the technicals, the fundamentals, the on-chain data, adoption, you name it, there has been so much happening in the background and that's one of our favorite reasons about why we do the rundown in the first place is that we love to just go get all of the data from the technicals on the charts to the fundamentals and the news, gather it all and bring it to you all completely for free and under an hour's time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we have all the graphics and visuals. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Crypto 101 podcast on YouTube. [SPEAKER_01]: And without further ado, I mean, TVL. [SPEAKER_01]: What a year, man. [SPEAKER_01]: I know this isn't our last rundown of the year, but we're getting to it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and exciting time of the years, we wrap things up.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we've been kind of navigating the nasty price action recently, dumped down to 80, but steady here at 90, we're going to bring up the charts in a second. [SPEAKER_02]: And we've had, I mean, just again, the fundamentals of the news flow just keeps being positive. [SPEAKER_02]: So again, we try to shoot it as straight as we can here, but we got a lot of fun things to talk about, revealing kind of who is buying this dip at the 80K that kind of

[SPEAKER_01]: with some positive news folks we got stuff to share that that would uh... there's definitely one that's pretty surprising exciting to talk about but we'll hand it off to you will start with the charts then dive into to the rest of it yeah i mean if we take a look at the charts here this is that back and forth and let's just recap it this is that back and forth that we've been talking about over the course of this year you know end of last year we shot up started this year at the highs we came back in came back to the highs now we're coming back in and

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some solid evidence here to you though that we're seeing some break in short term structure, especially from the bears. [SPEAKER_01]: Now what do I mean by that? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you look at what we've done off the highs, [SPEAKER_01]: Bitcoin kind of hit the all-time high, then came in. [SPEAKER_01]: And what we've seen since then is just lower highs and lower lows on Bitcoin pushing down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Until the last couple of weeks, it really around the time December started, we started to see a shift in the short-term structure. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's two things I want you to consider. [SPEAKER_01]: One kind of the consistent lower highs and lower lows that Bitcoin had been making, and number two, the 20-day moving average. [SPEAKER_01]: let's start with point number one first.

[SPEAKER_01]: What we've seen these lower highs and lower lows happening with Bitcoin kind of continually depreciating over the last two to three months. [SPEAKER_01]: But the shift here that's happening is that instead of kind of seeing lower highs and lower lows, we're seeing something a little bit different now. [SPEAKER_01]: where Bitcoin is kind of rejected here, fell down, and then we rose back up to the same resistance level. [SPEAKER_01]: So not a lower point, the same resistance.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we came to a higher low, and we came back up to the same resistance. [SPEAKER_01]: And then it looks like we're trying to put in another higher low after that. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at this and saying, OK, well, the bulls are at least seeing a climbing level of support. [SPEAKER_01]: The bears are not really able to advance. [SPEAKER_01]: They're only holding the line at around 93K.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a little bit of different price action from what we've seen over the last two, two and a half months or so. [SPEAKER_01]: The second one is going to be that 20-day moving average. [SPEAKER_01]: The only time that we have seen the 20-day moving average fail was on a one-singular fake out. [SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, you see a quick rejection. [SPEAKER_01]: Ever since the old time high, you see a rejection of that blue line or that 20-day moving average right here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then right here, and then right here, and then again here, in here, and now we're starting to get a bobbit and we're actually closing for the most part a bobbit. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the only exception for that rule was right around the end of October where we broke up, spent maybe two days a bobbit, [SPEAKER_01]: and immediately it was followed by a huge rejection where Bitcoin came immediately back below it and lower high into more downside kind of continuation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we had that one little fake out over in here and again this is looking different from that. [SPEAKER_01]: We got above that 20-day moving average. [SPEAKER_01]: However, we rejected but we kind of came back to it. [SPEAKER_01]: And now what we're seeing is that the bulk of these buyers in here. [SPEAKER_01]: are actually around or above the 20 day moving average and we're not just kind of falling beneath it immediately rejecting it and seeing more downside continuation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of seeing the opposite where we're breaking a puppet and finding support around it. [SPEAKER_01]: And again, little bit, it's a little bit of a shift. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not only seeing kind of higher lows, distant highs above the 20 day moving average, I'd say all those things are feeding into this idea that short-term bearish structure is showing some cracks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, does this mean that the bear market is over, that the whole bearish trend is over, that we've found the bottom, we've reversed all that, not necessarily, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I say that we're finding cracks in the bearish trend and we're finding cracks in the bear structure. [SPEAKER_01]: And I use those words very specifically, because cracks are not necessarily saying everything's going to come crumbling down.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it looks good, it does, especially when you compile this with a lot of the other data that we've looked at so far in recent weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all these run-downs with me and you and Brian, some of the other analysts on the team. [SPEAKER_01]: Three things stand out to me in terms of much more large structure. [SPEAKER_01]: It's that one day RSI, I mean, it's at the lowest level that we've seen since August of 2023.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the first pullback after the market kind of rallied off those macro lows. [SPEAKER_01]: to the last bear market cycle. [SPEAKER_01]: So the one day RSI at the lowest level that we've seen since August of 2023. [SPEAKER_01]: The one week RSI at the lowest levels that we've seen since around December of 2022, which was the absolute bottom period of the market after the Tara Luna and FTX crash. [SPEAKER_01]: then you have the fear and greed index at the lowest levels.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at a 10 or lower, it's just crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've only ever seen a 10 or lower at historic bottoming events. [SPEAKER_01]: Things like the tariff crash and the bottom of that, the bottom of COVID, the bottom of 2022, the bottom of like the 2018 market cycle, a lot of those significant and key events are really some of the only times that we've seen the fear and greed index get that low.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, when you look and you start piecing all the state of together, again, I think you're starting to see some cracks in the bearish argument that has been so strong for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the things that we've also talked about TV, and then we're going to switch it up, is that if you look at Bitcoin, like Bitcoin's been in this quote unquote bear market for a couple of months, you kind of seen lower highs and lower lows, really since October for Bitcoin, but it was pretty stagnant since June and July, mostly like July. [SPEAKER_01]: All queens have been a different story. [SPEAKER_01]: All queens have been down trending for almost six months now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You go and you look at, I think, the average altcoin, like, let's just use one that, I don't know, like a random one, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's just look at Chainlink. [SPEAKER_01]: This thing kind of found its top around August. [SPEAKER_01]: And ever since then it's been down trending for all of August, September, October, November, now December. [SPEAKER_01]: And you go and you look at a lot of these other altcoins, airdrum, one that we like a lot, it seems story.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could go and look at Sui, same story except this one actually topped out in July. [SPEAKER_01]: And so altcoins have been trending down for months. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're, there's a good chance we're seeing some signs of exhaustion from the bears. [SPEAKER_01]: Not entirely right because I think the two main things that we need to see is a higher swing low on this relative strength index on that one day time frame, which we haven't quite seen yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_01]: We need to see Bitcoin trading more aggressively over that 20 and 50-day moving average and have that golden cross happen where the 20-day crosses upwards over the 50-day moving average. [SPEAKER_01]: And if we can start seeing all of those things with higher highs, that would really kind of solidify the idea of a bottom. [SPEAKER_01]: But we are seeing cracks. [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of the bearish structure that we're seeing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's making me want to get a little bit more excited down here. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not like fully convinced yet, but it's enough for me to say like, hey, I'm okay kind of DCAing on Bitcoin, especially a lot of these altcoins that have already been getting suppressed and depreciating for months and months now. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, now that we're starting to see some cracks, am I okay taking some stabs at this stuff? [SPEAKER_01]: I am.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still being careful, but [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, listen, I like what I'm seeing and obviously is we're going to talk about with a lot of the fundamentals, we're seeing good stuff happen over there as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a we're going to play a clip later in the show. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it might be a quote that's in that clip specifically. [SPEAKER_02]: It was like everybody likes buying crypto at the all time highs. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't like buying the dips.

[SPEAKER_02]: So certainly we're certainly in a dip and you're trying to parse through all the information and trying to figure out You know, who's DCAing in and then that's kind of going to transition us into into our next topic So obviously there's the classic Michael Saler is buying some Bitcoin this week a lot of fun around MSTR I think we're gonna have a second show later in the week on Friday and I'm gonna there was a clip I saw we couldn't fit it into the rundown today, but I'll bring it on Friday kind of breaking down

[SPEAKER_02]: the MSTR foot, but they bought another 10,624 Bitcoin, not surprising. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I found a clip here. [SPEAKER_02]: So our first clip of the day is going to be Larry Think, friend of the program, of course, talking about kind of, he's seeing a sovereign well-fones buying the dip.

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't reveal a name, but again, through the Ibit, the Black Rock Bitcoin ETF, a lot of people use it from retail all the way to, [SPEAKER_02]: sovereign wealth fund, but I think, and I have a, we'll keep moving on after listening to the clip, but we think we know, we think we know who it is, but let's listen to Larry Fink.

[SPEAKER_05]: From we're seeing more and more legitimate, long only investors investing in it, there was article about a foundation, down at just a lot of I bit, but I can tell you there are a number of sovereign funds that are standing by, [SPEAKER_05]: at 120 and 100, I know they bought more in the 80s, that's fine and they're establishing a longer position and you own it over years, this is not a trade, you own it for a purpose from worse

[SPEAKER_02]: So then, you know, which, which sovereign wealth fund is it? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we all know that the UAE has been buying some Bitcoin and then they came out with kind of a quote. [SPEAKER_02]: They're saying a Bitcoin's a key pillar of the future of finance, not just a crypto asset, so again, you don't have access to necessarily their Wallace to see if or what they're buying or how much of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But again, just the chatter around it kind of leads me to believe if I was a betting man that maybe the UAE, you know, nibbled at that $80,000 level. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is like, they're not the only ones interested in buying down here. [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen a lot of these little pockets of like, hey, there's big buyers out there and we've seen some whale orders.

[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the cool things that you actually highlighted to me this week was that it's not just Bitcoin. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're seeing this happen on a lot of other places. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, significantly, we're gonna talk about Ethereum here, spoiler alert in just a second. [SPEAKER_01]: But looking at some of those Solana and XRP ETF inflows has been just astonishing, like weeks in weeks of consistent inflows without a day of outflows. [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of this is happening. [SPEAKER_01]: It's happening in a downtrend. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these things are depreciating by 10, 20, 30%, and they're continuing to have weeks on weeks at a time of net inflows, which is super impressive. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, it's kind of, you know, retail or the people get scared. [SPEAKER_02]: We can't get shaken out when price goes down. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's people with conviction.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, with the ETF flows, you don't necessarily know who's buying it. [SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's Tom Lee because, of course, Tom Lee just continues to buy the dip. [SPEAKER_02]: And we're referring to BitMine, the DAT, buys another 138,452 E-thwards. [SPEAKER_02]: $435 million, so again, pretty impressive dip buying, continuing from Tom Lee.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we know it's, again, the Michael Sailors and the Tom Lee's, it's basically a weekly set and forget it by, I think when the price goes down, especially for Tom Lee, because they're a little bit newer on the strategy, that they've definitely up their increments as much as they can when the price is going down.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I found this clip that I thought was interesting, [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of just a, I kind of labeled as just traditional track files, I'm the dip as well. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was really well said. [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of talked about this. [SPEAKER_02]: When price is going up and it's flying higher at a ridiculous weight rate, Bitcoin and crypto is the A-block.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then when it's going down and it's flying lower at a ridiculous rate, Bitcoin and crypto is also the A-block. [SPEAKER_02]: You know saying, oh, it's the trades over. [SPEAKER_02]: It's devastating everybody's losing. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that kind of calm down the last week And I caught this. [SPEAKER_02]: This was like, uh, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: This may be like a seablock Or it's just talking about strategy.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to keep bashing strategy and then you know this this panelists kind of spun it into You know getting away from talking about strategy and even Bitcoin and went into Ethereum slot. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a look I thought it was an interesting kind of by the dip conversation [SPEAKER_00]: I think micro strategy has a complicated balance sheet. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I've never owned it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think BM and R are from a treasury, Ethereum treasury.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have a clean balance sheet. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously they're issuing shares, but they're not doing perverts or converts. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that this is an opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: I bought Ethereum more Ethereum last week. [SPEAKER_00]: I just think especially with Ethereum, which is down quite a bit off the size. [SPEAKER_00]: This is when you add to these. [SPEAKER_00]: positions, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to buy loads so high, but most people feel comfortable buying crypto at the all-time highs, not when there's actually an event occurring, whether MSCI, flesh is out, I have no idea. [SPEAKER_06]: You're telling people to buy strategy? [SPEAKER_00]: No, Ethereum. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't understand. [SPEAKER_00]: Micro-strategy's balance sheet is way too complicated for me to parse through.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry to play it with Ethereum and I bet let me go to you on it because I don't know what I'm saying no I mean what else is there to say I let me give you something else there's 15 buys on the stock there's three holes there's one cell the 12 month price target for this stock that trades 182 right now is 473 dollars that's ridiculous [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, two things there, a quickly on the back in there, uh, just the streets getting really, really negative on MSTR.

[SPEAKER_02]: It started trading under its nav value. [SPEAKER_02]: We covered that. [SPEAKER_02]: I, again, I kind of, with her, like, I'm not smart enough to go through the balance sheet and kind of figure this out. [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Hogan is Matt Hogan had a clip. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to pull that for Friday to kind of talk about MSG a little more. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's table out for now. [SPEAKER_02]: Just the streets getting a little bearish on MSGR.

[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I think if the price action flips and we wake up, you know, next week or two weeks and big coins back to 110, I think MSGR rockets right up with that right because of the way it's built. [SPEAKER_02]: with its leverage and people are shorting in, and they're longing it, it's starting to more of a financial instrument than a pure Bitcoin play, and that's just my opinion. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just my opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think I thought it was really interesting, the Ethereum dip conversation, because again, everybody knows Tom Lee, of course, friend of the show. [SPEAKER_02]: but it's like, you know, she's a great investor, I've seen her on TV, but you know, she's definitely not, she doesn't get headlines like Tom Lee does when she says she's buying the dip or buying bit-min or buying Ethereum. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's an interesting kind of just gauge for Tradvian general.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously Larry thinks I've been talking about tokenization Solana Ethereum. [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of taken the forefront of the the altcoins and like where are we going to build the financial system on top of? [SPEAKER_02]: Jamie crypto diamond, of course, is talking about it as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think when you start hearing some other, you know, talking heads or traders that don't have the notoriety that Atomely or, you know, Michael Salar does when they talk about buying the dip with these dats. [SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting kind of pulse of the industry. [SPEAKER_01]: Yet, know you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at the way that Ethereum's been performing. [SPEAKER_01]: Eurium has actually been outperforming Bitcoin off of the lows.

[SPEAKER_01]: Eats up about 21% from its lows on November 21st, whereas Bitcoin's up about 14% off of its lows from November 21st. [SPEAKER_01]: So Ethereum, like substantially outperforming Bitcoin off of the lows, and I think when we're talking about these treasury plays, these stats,

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are almost always going to be a leveraged play on whatever asset they are accumulating, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So in a bull market, they tend to move up more than the underlying assets. [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the whole point, is that they are a leveraged play to run these things. [SPEAKER_01]: So in a bull market, they might see more upside. [SPEAKER_01]: But in a bear market, they might see more downside, and that's just the way that this goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when you look at Bitcoin and you look at micro strategy and you look at a lot of these companies, they tend to see more volatility in whatever direction the market's heading. [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, for the last couple months, it's been bearish. [SPEAKER_01]: And since then, they have been, [SPEAKER_01]: like just appreciating at a higher rate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if the markets do rally and we do go back to all-time highs, they probably have a glorious rebound, and you probably see that reflected. [SPEAKER_01]: I would kind of agree with them in the sense that micro strategies [SPEAKER_01]: entire, and I mean, no pun intended, their entire strategy has become more complicated over, I would say the last year or so, right? [SPEAKER_01]: They started out from just being kind of a Bitcoin play.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're doing all these different kinds of like stock issuance. [SPEAKER_01]: They have all these different products, like high yield products. [SPEAKER_01]: Now they're saying, hey, we might need to, there's that whole like rumor of, oh, they might need to sell Bitcoin to actually support these new yield products and high income stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think that there is a little bit of confusion [SPEAKER_01]: What goes on and I don't even think confusion is the right word. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just they have gotten more complex in nature Which is probably just the natural evolution of any company is that you get more products You get more complex. [SPEAKER_01]: You add things like that's just the way it goes Whereas people do kind of look at bit-mind as like a simpler.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like hey, they don't have all the bells and whistles But they kind of do what the treasury is expected to do and it's ran by someone that is [SPEAKER_01]: I would say equally as competent as Michael Sailer, super competent individual, like he knows what he's doing. [SPEAKER_01]: He clearly does, if you kind of look at the track record so far, and I'd say kind of Tom Lee's in the same boat. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, listen, good things to say about both of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're both trying to push the grip their space. [SPEAKER_01]: They both believe in grip the long term. [SPEAKER_01]: And are the people that are upset that they've been seeing some extra downside?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just because they always move at a higher volatility rate, depending on where the market's headed, [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and again, when we brought in the conversation to Bitcoin and Ethereum and this tokenization effort, you know, Jamie Crypto Diamond is talking about the tokenization. [SPEAKER_02]: Larry think was a leader talking about tokenization and how it could be built on Ethereum.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I always asked myself, Brendan, I was like, well, if Larry thinks, if Larry thinks pound in the streets talking about tokenization and I bit is the moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I've said this on the program before is like, [SPEAKER_02]: If I bet is the top revenue maker for BlackRock and they believe in Bitcoin as kind of a futuristic gold and offering it to their clients and it's making them a lot of money and then Larry thinks talking about tokenization and bringing the financial services industry on chain and it could be done on Ethereum. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting here, and I'm like, why is there not an Ethereum ETF?

[SPEAKER_02]: In these words that they're saying on all these stages and all these speeches, they're has to be an Ethereum ETF, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you would. [SPEAKER_01]: You would think so, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, there it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Black rocks, I share just filed for a state Ethereum ETF. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the key, right? [SPEAKER_01]: That's the big thing that everyone's looking for is because we have a lot of Ethereum ETFs already out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, are they going to be staking UTFs? [SPEAKER_01]: Because Solana already has staking UTFs, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So everyone's like, well, Solana has one why can't Ethereum? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the SEC looked at it and like, oh, yeah, you're probably right. [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is kind of the next stage [SPEAKER_01]: We probably see more Ethereum-staking ETFs from all the big players, all of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think it's really important that BlackRock has one, because again, I know obviously Grace will lead the way with the lawsuit, but ever since then, it's been the BlackRock, the eyeshairs, you know, the trusted financial services of BlackRock have led, you know, the inflows and the sovereign wealth funds, like we just talked about earlier, they trust BlackRock, [SPEAKER_02]: I bet, you know, options are crazy volume as well, along with MSTR.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just just thought, especially the way Larry Fig was talking about tokenization and kind of really leaning towards Ethereum. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, man, there has to be something in the pipeline for an Ethereum ETF. [SPEAKER_02]: And so bam, here we go. [SPEAKER_02]: It's filed. [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that it's filed as a Staking ETF, again, all the things that we've covered on the show before of kind of the new age of a dividend could be staking.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it will take, you know, time just as all these new ETFs take time for [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of the large players to dive in, but could it, could Ethereum end up being kind of an aristocrat dividend play for some of the funds that need to buy stocks that have dividends? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Ethereum may be one day go into there and just open up [SPEAKER_02]: It's doors to just a flood of capital. [SPEAKER_02]: The possibility is now there if this stake ETF gets approved.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the SEC is on board with it. [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is big. [SPEAKER_02]: I really do, again, we've learned from the Bitcoin ETFs that it takes time, but I think this is really bullish for Ethereum. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and quick clarification. [SPEAKER_01]: So BlackRock has had an Ethereum spot ETF for about a year and a half, almost.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it came out last July in 2024. [SPEAKER_01]: But again, the big push is the staking side, because that's what hasn't existed. [SPEAKER_01]: Believe the ticker is ETHA for anybody who is interested. [SPEAKER_01]: But the whole idea here is that, again, the staking side, that's the emphasis. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're seeing as a new kind of factor [SPEAKER_01]: Because when Solana is sticking ETFs started to come out, it was like, hey, like, you're right, TV.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this should start being a thing, especially with all the talk of tokenization and how bullish they're on eat. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's only a matter of time until we get these sticking ETFs for eat as well. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where it seems like the floodgates have kind of opened.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I just think once it has that state feature, I just think that's super important because I don't think you get the full fledgid investment Under period without the staking And so yeah, they've had the ethane. [SPEAKER_02]: I know Brian was wanting somebody on the show that was really tracking the ethereum ETFs.

[SPEAKER_02]: You really like to watch in the inflows And there's been a ton of it as we covered on the show But I and I wonder if they'll be able if like ethane will just kind of fold into the new one. [SPEAKER_02]: They probably have some type of way that they'll do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or at least offer it like that we have an offering, but I just think that the full fledged journey of investing in Ethereum without the staking, I think that's so important because again, in this stratified world, there's certain funds that have certain rules, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And some of these funds that I think now have might may have access in the future to Ethereum is the need for a dividend.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think that's something I'll be interesting that that's why I was pretty passionate about that take is just I think, you know, it again Bitcoin has, you know, it's playbook and Ethereum has it's playbook and I just think that the staking part is really really something that is needed and there's been some staking ETFs that have gone live right with salon especially bit wise and I just thought that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought black rock might have jumped on it early with bit wise launching it's a solo on a one and advertising it really hard I was just man. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like man. [SPEAKER_02]: Where's this ethereum staking from black rock because I just think it's a big stamp of approval after I bet has been so successful.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: no spot on man and I mean speaking of Ethereum related things that there's a pretty large project for the tokenization space which is what we've been talking about called Ando and they were in a battle with the SEC for what over a year now and it is officially coming to a close.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now the crazy thing about this they even talk about it in this post from from [SPEAKER_01]: We should try to get George on some time other than I'm thinking about. [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's he's a big guy and he's got a lot on, but legend the game legend legend, but you know he was talking about this and he's saying like When this all happened, it was kind of like without any reason According the on dough, they're like, hey, there's no reason here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was doing digging on this as well. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of just the SEC coming in and being like, yeah, well, we, we want to see whether these tokenized assets are actually unregistered securities and like they could be and maybe they fall someone somewhere else and maybe you're not labeling them right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get into a lawsuit and we're going to prove you and we're going to come in and see [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, what is going on? [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, to no one's surprised, they come out now, and there's nothing there, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's closed, nothing went on. [SPEAKER_01]: They were found of nothing doing nothing wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just so many of these. [SPEAKER_01]: There were so many targeted attacks on the crypto market.

[SPEAKER_01]: And on some of the biggest infrastructure, because when you look at Ando, they are one of the biggest terms of infrastructure. [SPEAKER_01]: like kind of creators of tokenization and of real world assets. [SPEAKER_01]: So when they go after stable coins and they go after tokenization and they go after different forms of infrastructure, that's going to be one of those damaging things to the crypto market. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a huge win.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge win for tokenization. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge win for DeFi. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge win for crypto as a whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like we are trending in the right direction when we're seeing stuff like this happen and I think that it's super obvious more so than now that crypto is is kind of flipping and doing a 180 and they want to be bullish on this stuff for at least the next several years and a lot of the actors who wanted to prevent this from happening they're going they're out and now the people who are in they want it to succeed and they wanted to thrive.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, speaking of, of thriving, I agree with everything you said. [SPEAKER_02]: I was just getting some alerts on my phone. [SPEAKER_02]: The markets are looking pretty tasty right now. [SPEAKER_02]: A nice little nice little bump for the crypto rose and maybe that's because of all the bullish news that we're covering because it doesn't just stop there, Brendan and PNC bank.

[SPEAKER_02]: partners with Coinbase to offer direct Bitcoin trading for clients. [SPEAKER_02]: This is really interesting because you don't think of PNC as like in exchange, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And I obviously custody banks are probably going to want to get into custody, just like JP Morgan Morgan Stanley all the old, you know, traditional, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: big boys on Wall Street, but I think PNC Bank is interesting because it's a different level of bank.

[SPEAKER_02]: PNC Bank is kind, I don't want to say it's a local, because obviously it's a huge kind of chain, like a national chain, but it is one of those banks that you can see in your neighborhood and you can go in and talk to the clerk and use the ATM where it's like, you know, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley, that's not their level up right there in investment type bank. [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought this was really [SPEAKER_02]: to market such an offering among the major U.S. banks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100% like the article says, they're the first bank to market such an offering among all the major U.S. banks. [SPEAKER_01]: So again, this is a step in the right direction. [SPEAKER_01]: When we say, what is the future going to look like? [SPEAKER_01]: It's obvious. [SPEAKER_01]: It's right in front of our face, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's all unraveling. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't overthink it. [SPEAKER_01]: don't try to overplay it either.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like all the big asset managers, they're filing for new crypto ETFs. [SPEAKER_01]: They're accepting crypto. [SPEAKER_01]: They are literally going on air and saying, we're so bullish on this. [SPEAKER_01]: We have some cool clips that will show everyone and kind of continue to show you all, but just don't overthink it. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be as complicated as you might be. [SPEAKER_01]: Think that it needs to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is one of those pieces of news and like most of the stuff that we talk about every week on this stuff is pieces of news that I really think unless you're listening to the show or you're on crypto Twitter or you're really into the space But you have no idea like if I go and talk to you know maybe some friends or my parents like they have no idea all this stuff that's being done under the hood of this industry moving towards

[SPEAKER_02]: kind of bringing the financial markets on chain, which is what SEC chair Paul Ackon said you pulled a clip here that's going to have some audio so we're going to play that. [SPEAKER_02]: It's how long it's running it out. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's long. [SPEAKER_02]: It's about three minutes. [SPEAKER_02]: So let's jump in and let Paul talk to us, but we'll probably cut it a little bit further. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll jump around. [SPEAKER_02]: But basically.

[SPEAKER_02]: kind of building off the point of like, hey, PNC Bank, Ethereum ETFs, you know, bitmind, all that stuff like your average person doesn't know any of that, but but that is evidence that's leading towards this all US markets will be on chain within two years, which is what Polakans is talking about here. [SPEAKER_02]: So let's, uh, let's take elicit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tokenization is the idea of using them smart contracts or, you know, tokens on chain to be able to that represent say underlying security. [SPEAKER_03]: So then that tokenized security is a security and would be subject to SEC rules by law. [SPEAKER_03]: But the idea is that it's if it's on chain on a blockchain. [SPEAKER_03]: then there's much more transparency as to where it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right now there's a bit of capacity as to who owns what and where the company usually doesn't even know where it's shareholder, who the shareholders are and where the shareholders reside. [SPEAKER_03]: So tokenization has the benefit of potentially having instead of T plus one now trade date plus one for

[SPEAKER_03]: The prospect of maybe T0, now depending on the instruments and you know there's we we have to, you know, think about netting and all sorts of other things with respect to some instruments. [SPEAKER_03]: But in principle, the idea of on-chain delivery versus payment and receipt versus payment, DVP RVP on-chain is a prospect of derisking the markets.

[SPEAKER_03]: making them much more transparent and then sure as far as clearance and settlement because it's always that the gap between clearance and settlement and then delivery and payment is the real introduces risk into the system. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I know, if I use one of my old brokerages and you make a trade, I mean, the money, you know, shows up in your account, but it's unsettled funds and it could be unsettled funds for a day or two.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can trade your unsettled funds, but if you do, you can't, you can't be as nimble. [SPEAKER_02]: So like if you wanted to. [SPEAKER_02]: I just throwing out something. [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to sell Amazon to go buy Uber, you can do that on that day, but then you can't sell those Uber shares for two days without a pretty big penalty because it's unsettled shares.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, just talking about moving, making markets faster, something that we've been talking about for years is just the financial system, the banking system, it's our cake, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I know you have some real estate. [SPEAKER_02]: I have some real estate.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the wire transfer process your transferring tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars and you go to your bank and you give them the wire instructions and then the money goes to add your account and then they're like, I'm like, okay, did it get there? [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, let you know in two days. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what the hell? [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean you're gonna let me know in two days? [SPEAKER_02]: I just $20.25.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's $20.25. [SPEAKER_02]: I just sent $100,000. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna let me know in two days. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I create that. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just went through that process recently. [SPEAKER_02]: I blew my mind. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I went through all this process You're the wiring done, and then like I'm okay. [SPEAKER_02]: It's out of my account.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you confirm that you have receipt and they're like, oh, we'll let you know in two days. [SPEAKER_02]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it crazy how that works? [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's 2025. [SPEAKER_01]: You sent them like 100, 100,000 or hundreds of thousands and all those money's in limbo and they're, oh, I'll take a couple of days. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: And what world does anything today take a couple of days that isn't like physically being shipped like what electronic should ever take that long and it doesn't make sense and that's why we're seeing this whole revolution in the first place is because this needs to change and

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean listen it's what it's like you said as well there's more transparency there's more efficiency there's a lot of problems that it solves not to mention it can create better liquidity and even give people more access to the market because it can be even more fractionalized and at the same time you have these things which could very well turn 24-7 which it already seems we're kind of moving in that direction in the first place so do not excited get excited because there's a lot more to come

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it was a great point, but let's tie a bow on it like that's the SEC chair like that's the guy making the decisions and building the guard rails. [SPEAKER_02]: So again, you know, in theory he's going to be in that chair, you know, in that seat for the next couple years and there's a lot of, you know, regulation coming down the pipeline that people want for the guard rails for exactly what he's saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like if you can kind of piece the puzzle together, if you want to, you know, play detective and get out your magnifying glass, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: then he took keep on he's the guy who took Gary Gensler's job. [SPEAKER_01]: He's the new Gary Gensler. [SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't want to. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: Remember how much fun we used to have with the uh the Gary Gensler days. [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of I do kind of miss him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think we said that on the show before. [SPEAKER_01]: I miss the memes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I miss the memes. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, we'll work out. [SPEAKER_04]: On day one, I will fire Gary Gensford. [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa. [SPEAKER_02]: Man, had you had to just just for all time sick, too much fun, too much fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was a good two good. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a very favorite clip for a while. [SPEAKER_02]: But let's tie a bow on the episode with rate cuts.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is Tuesday. [SPEAKER_02]: You might be listening to this on Tuesday. [SPEAKER_02]: You might be listening to this on Wednesday. [SPEAKER_02]: is Fed Ray Couté, Fed Ray Couté, Chairman Powell announced the decision and have one of his famous press conferences. [SPEAKER_02]: We've done this live actually the last couple times. [SPEAKER_02]: I am sad to announce that we will not be able to do it live. [SPEAKER_02]: We have some work we got to get done.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just obviously a busy end of the year, so I'm not going to be able to do it live, but I do promise if it's something we're going to tee up, but we think it's going to happen if there is any crazy surprise, we will get a quick, you know, episode out to everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I think we've kind of teed this up the last couple times that he's been here, you know, pie market has led us the right way so far, obviously, you know, anything could happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then the press conference that Fed Chair Powell doesn't take in questions moves the market more than sometimes the decision, so that that's going to be tomorrow will be really interesting to see, but Brendan, what are you looking out for?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm looking out for? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting a little bit of PTSD from last December when we were in a very similar situation, Tvo. [SPEAKER_01]: And we got, I mean, it was like a brick hitting you in the face. [SPEAKER_01]: We were in a very similar spot last December and things didn't go as planned. [SPEAKER_01]: And for whatever reason on the last, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, last December's call, you know, at one point, I'd started coming up in conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm getting a little bit of PTSD saying, hey, everything's looking a little too hunky-dory. [SPEAKER_01]: We're getting three cuts all of a sudden now. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, or we're getting our third cut. [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's saying it's guaranteed. [SPEAKER_01]: They're saying it's priced in. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little bit nervous.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not trying to, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, make anything happen here, but not on wood, we get it, but again, last December, man, we got thrown for such a loop, makes me a little bit nervous this time around, because that is the market bad. [SPEAKER_01]: I at one point, you mentioned the idea of hiking and hawkishness and all these other things, and we're in a much different spot now, and I understand that, but cautiously optimistic, going into this thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at, like, do I want to take some like, [SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to take some off the table here, just until tomorrow happens? [SPEAKER_01]: Because who knows what he's going to say, even if we do cut, what is he going to say after that? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's your right. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what really needs to be studied. [SPEAKER_01]: I think tomorrow it looks as if we're going to almost certainly get a right cut. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what's he going to say after that? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is what is going to potentially rock the market. [SPEAKER_01]: Is depending on what words come out of his mouth. [SPEAKER_01]: As we look in the next year, I mean, obviously there's four casted to be more rate cuts next year. [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw Trump say that it is a requirement. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here we have it on the screen.

[SPEAKER_01]: He says it's in a requirement for the next Fed share to do an immediate rate cuts. [SPEAKER_01]: So immediate rate cuts is a requirement for the next Fed share. [SPEAKER_01]: Which again, if you're a fan of crypto, you like that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you want to see.

[SPEAKER_01]: could Jay Powell be looking at that and saying, well, if I know there's going to be a bunch more cuts, maybe I need to not cut, like maybe that's something that goes on in his head where he's saying, I know that the next Fed share is going to go on a ton of rate cuts. [SPEAKER_01]: I know we always says, oh, he's dated a pendant, but like we know that that hasn't always been the case, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes he's full we're looking, sometimes he's backward looking and it's who knows. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had, uh, [SPEAKER_02]: We had a tough time last year. [SPEAKER_02]: I remember me and you know, especially, I know I had some, you know, some, some gambling type, some option trades going in the air trying to it was a great year. [SPEAKER_02]: We had a great year and so I was playing. [SPEAKER_02]: I had a play. [SPEAKER_02]: I was I was on an in the app.

[SPEAKER_02]: How did me dirty last year. [SPEAKER_02]: So I agree with you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that we need to be monitoring. [SPEAKER_02]: We need to watch out for and just to kind of build on your thought is is I wonder if tomorrow it gets you know kind of the end of past terms coming to a close and we've talked about this before is is this getting to the point where it might get.

[SPEAKER_02]: kind of a little political in a way for Paul to just to kind of on his way out and you know, it seems like, you know, sadly, the Fed should not be this way, but it seems like it's the Fed has gotten more political, you know, definitely in the last year, if not more of just kind of picking sides, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not what the Fed should be doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for the betterment of I guess how he wants to be looked in the eyes of history slash the future as well of what's his next career path and who's going to hire him to speak and do this to do that you're you're picking sides politically it feels like and so it is going to be a fascinating I think I think there's going to be a cut I think you have to cut just because of the committee.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one, you know, the Fed shares is the most powerful position on that committee, but, you know, I don't think you can veer too far off. [SPEAKER_02]: I guess unless the committee is truly split then [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: It's something to watch. [SPEAKER_02]: I just think I think his press conference is where he gets kind of personal and says kind of more what's in his thoughts and he's a person too.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be interesting to see if the human element sneaks into it. [SPEAKER_02]: But again, anything could happen. [SPEAKER_02]: But just like a lot of the volatility that we've seen, again, I think you got to look through. [SPEAKER_02]: If it goes upgrade, if it goes down, that stinks. [SPEAKER_02]: But you've got to be smart, right? [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to plan your trades and trade your plans, just like prices taught us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do not get silly with leverage, especially if you don't know what you're doing. [SPEAKER_02]: That's where you've got to educate it. [SPEAKER_02]: If you're sitting in spot, you're going to be fine through it, through a fed decision. [SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_02]: Not not to stress about that, but Brennan breaking news Bitcoin 93K. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's end this show. [SPEAKER_02]: Pull up the charts one more time if you can't pull them up. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just click through.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on a one day. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's show people some some of the some of the bullish momentum before we sign off because things are things are trending up. [SPEAKER_02]: I move it. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going base up 3% bit mine up 5% I see Ethereum up 5% [SPEAKER_01]: It is a sea of green here on the watch list on the, really a Z-Cash up another 10% Z-Cash revival question mark. [SPEAKER_01]: But no, you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, things are skyrocketing, Bitcoin at 93,100. [SPEAKER_01]: goes back to our original point. [SPEAKER_01]: Teva, we're seeing cracks in the bearish structure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The bearish argument, the bearish armor itself, we're seeing cracks in it, which is what we want to see. [SPEAKER_01]: We want to see the bear's lose. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about all of you. [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, not all of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is one person in here on a pretty routine basis. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, inverted investing, inverted investing. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I see him in here today. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see him here? [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't heard for him in like a year, legitimately, and then he commented when Bitcoin came down to 80K. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he had a saved on one of his tabs and made sure to... [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what. [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a victory lap for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know he's been wrong for he's been wrong for about two, three years now. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we love him. [SPEAKER_02]: But we do love and vert investing. [SPEAKER_01]: We want him on our team. [SPEAKER_01]: What am I on the live? [SPEAKER_01]: We want him on the live as well. [SPEAKER_01]: We want him on all of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Come on the live. [SPEAKER_01]: Come to the bulls. [SPEAKER_01]: The bulls want you. [SPEAKER_01]: We've rebounded $13,000 since the lows.

[SPEAKER_01]: Join the Bullish team. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the dip by the dip. [SPEAKER_01]: The long-term trend is your friend. [SPEAKER_01]: But man, we want all of you on our team. [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Diamond came on our team. [SPEAKER_01]: He capitulated a lot of people have, so come join us. [SPEAKER_01]: But man, I think that's it, Tevo. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we'll finish it off with who is on our team. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, we jumped on last minute.

[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't promote this one. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be doing one Friday with Brian and Joe that we will promote. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully the the chat gets rockets, but it was a good one today.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got we had Debbie chiming grant was here J.D. [SPEAKER_02]: was here Kevin from the UK across the pond first live is a regular listener and if you thought that was the only person from From the UK, that's not the case because L.J. [SPEAKER_02]: was here first time as well that he caught a live Thank you guys for listening all the way across the pond J.D. [SPEAKER_02]: was here as well along with many others.

[SPEAKER_02]: We really appreciate everybody [SPEAKER_02]: joining in on the live on YouTube. [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate everybody listening to the audio as well. [SPEAKER_02]: We hope you guys Enjoy the show again fundamentally bullish price actions specifically they're looking bullish the Ray cuts are gonna happen this week. [SPEAKER_02]: We are going to recap that with you on Friday and less there's some crazy emergency We'll hop back on and break it down for you guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: We really appreciate everybody listening and hope they have a great rest of your day But that's it for now. [SPEAKER_02]: So bye bye everybody have a good one