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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, this isn't a UFO. [SPEAKER_05]: But he also has big black wings and red eyes. [SPEAKER_05]: Um, Batman. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Batman. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, Batman. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, everyone, I think we know exactly what it is. [SPEAKER_02]: So, say it all with me. [SPEAKER_02]: It was the sand, the crane. [SPEAKER_05]: Would you try it? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: You wouldn't need it? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_05]: Why? [SPEAKER_05]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_05]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face. [SPEAKER_05]: I've seen a six foot alley, you gotta go swing into the air, slam into a tree. [SPEAKER_05]: Ow! [SPEAKER_05]: I was trying to try to do a German accent, but I... What? [SPEAKER_05]: A German accent. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh. [SPEAKER_05]: Knifeen! [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back to Groups of Grand podcast. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm the Great and Powerful Mystery. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Jay Clone 43.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to talk... We're going to do a little story today about old Hitler. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's fun. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but before you get in with it, you got some small talk. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some small talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was a couple things happened last night on the at the old alley, the bowling alley, one of them, if you're in one, listen to the crippling coffee, well, when we recorded that, you're seeing that, I think I threw my back out bowling last night. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's fun getting old. [SPEAKER_03]: That was one of the things. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see how tonight's bowling goes. [SPEAKER_03]: So you have the golden night still? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll make it work. [SPEAKER_03]: But the other thing, someone sent me an announcement. [SPEAKER_03]: Text it to me. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: So, oh, and it just so happened to be wearing the shirt from this year. [SPEAKER_03]: So this year, we went to Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival, right? [SPEAKER_03]: 2025, we were speakers at it and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on the way there, what do we do before we got there? [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember? [SPEAKER_03]: What do we do before? [SPEAKER_03]: What did we do before as we were traveling down the Hawking Hills? [SPEAKER_03]: We stopped and did something the day before. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: How do you not remember this year? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What did we go to? [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and remember the Ohio State Fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, AJR went to an AJR contest. [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't Hawking Hills. [SPEAKER_03]: What was that? [SPEAKER_05]: Squunk a bluesa. [SPEAKER_03]: That was Squunk? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're right, the week before. [SPEAKER_03]: I knew we were going down that way, or going east. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: Squunk a bluesas. [SPEAKER_03]: We saw. [SPEAKER_05]: I know what this thing is.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're growing on your Christmas present. [SPEAKER_03]: Who just got announced that the Ohio State Fair? [SPEAKER_05]: I know it is. [SPEAKER_05]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: Weird out. [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be at the Ohio State Fair in 2026. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think I'm I'm probably just advertising for him right now. [SPEAKER_05]: So Emily was trying to get you tickets for Christmas. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're not on sale yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not on our own sale to February. [SPEAKER_03]: No, geez. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, so yeah, probably going to have to go to that. [SPEAKER_03]: Where are the odds though that one year's
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah sure i mean like your favorite man yeah and then my favorite yeah back to back i mean i'd love to go it's just if we can we'll get tickets oh well it won't we're gonna get tickets we're gonna get front row tickets i mean i'm fine with that i like where to the uh vip tickets he'll remember me i like the parody stuff more than the other stuff but that's just me what's the other stuff i don't know i was just curious what you would say come on the other stuff that's the good stuff that's the originals
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a good one off the Alpaca lips album old Hitler old Hitler So now me the patreon are not the patron the crimson coffee people kind of Sparks your memory, but what do you remember of old Hitler? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I remember it being that shark we talked about it. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was on a patreon episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had made it up [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think it was in that episode when we, well, maybe maybe not about that shark that went down in the That end of the night and something pulled a shark now. [SPEAKER_05]: No, it wasn't that episode. [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't because we did a giant shark episode that old Hitler was in maybe is that one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah As I remember the giant white the not a great white shark the massive white shark that was seen in Australia that went like busted through the nets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, maybe [SPEAKER_05]: that we talked about and I don't know if it was a patreon in show we talked about it being a whale shark because they can be all by no but it been the biggest way of shark on record now remember that yeah literally was so big it just was bustling to these fish nets that's wild [SPEAKER_05]: because they do run into fish nets all the time. [SPEAKER_05]: That's how most of the big ones die. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, sharks. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just because the way they filter their eyes on the side of their head and they don't see very well. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're, yeah, they're just biting. [SPEAKER_03]: Finding doors as well as a joke. [SPEAKER_03]: What? [SPEAKER_05]: That, uh, Daisy saw me. [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember the whale shark's name in it. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: But she was near-sighted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: So everything was so blurry that she kept running into walls and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, got you. [SPEAKER_05]: And that was the end of it. [SPEAKER_05]: They're like, well, on the ocean, there's no walls. [SPEAKER_05]: She was scared to go back to the ocean. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Because she can't see very well. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And she keeps running into things. [SPEAKER_03]: Because she was in captivity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you're she got rescued. [SPEAKER_05]: That was at the Marine rehabilitation center. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Never seen it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's good. [SPEAKER_03]: Seems like I like finding Nemo. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm always skeptical. [SPEAKER_05]: Skeptical about sequels.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh for sure me too, but you know, like six minutes and talking about finding the amount of time they just knock them out of the part like terminator two way better in the first one. [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, big shark. [SPEAKER_05]: Old Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so old Hitler is a big shark kind of shark. [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably great white. [SPEAKER_03]: You think he's a great white or tiger shark or a bull shark? [SPEAKER_05]: None of those. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, lemon shark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nope. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I could keep going. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, basking shark. [SPEAKER_03]: Goblin shark. [SPEAKER_05]: Nope. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: oh great white tipped reef shark no there's no things a great white tipped reef shark but they had mixed three of them together yeah i mean there is a reef shark there i mean there's a black tipped reef shark in a white tipped reef shark okay there's our real animal the great white because there's oh there's their called ocean of white tips okay or caught like coastal white tips um what other extremely large shark with teeth have you forgotten uh don't feel bad everybody forgets this kind of shark when it comes to predators
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, oh gosh, I already said tiger shark hammerhead. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: There we go. [SPEAKER_05]: Hammerhead because they're up there with the biggest of the story sharks people do not realize it My favorite shark hammerhead great. [SPEAKER_05]: So old Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about the story of Florida's most monstrous notorious shark legend [SPEAKER_05]: that were fishermen tales of the coast of Santa Rosa and Tampa for decades.
[SPEAKER_05]: Florida residents have reported sightings of an extremely legendary hammerhead shark along the state's southern golf coast. [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty cool. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, huge sharks in Florida's coast aren't anything new. [SPEAKER_05]: Supposed eye witnesses placed this giant hammerhead at well over 20 feet long and asked [SPEAKER_03]: That's a pretty big shark.
[SPEAKER_05]: That size was only 20 feet long is kind of where like tigers and bulls kind of top out at like 16 feet, there's some suggestions that they maybe get 18 or 20. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Which we'll talk about great hammer heads later. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Which they top out at like 18 or 20. [SPEAKER_05]: Great hammer heads. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a species of hammer head shark. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Where they kind of top out at that site.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, larger than the largest. [SPEAKER_03]: Are there multiple species of hammerhead? [SPEAKER_03]: Many. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh really? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Many. [SPEAKER_03]: So much for being my favorite shark. [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that. [SPEAKER_05]: That's a group of sharks. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I didn't realize that. [SPEAKER_05]: For anybody at home, how do the people ID that it's a hammerhead shark?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's got a giant hammer on it's head. [SPEAKER_05]: The big eyes, you know, the big eyes. [SPEAKER_03]: Big flat, wide head, not wide, wide head. [SPEAKER_05]: The folklore has been propagated largely thanks to Fishman working in the Gulf Coast in places like Tampa Bay. [SPEAKER_05]: Although the shark's nickname is literally, or it's likely to raise any eyebrows to people who don't know it, like old Hitler, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: You hear somebody's talking, oh, we see an old Hitler out there today. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's a little off-putting at first. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, this hammer had shark on banner reef, which is Florida State Archives public domain. [SPEAKER_05]: According to the Naples daily news, the legend states started right at this turn of World War II.
[SPEAKER_05]: When German new boats being an invading off the east coast of the US during this time. [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: So people were freaking out because you boats were being seen all over, popping up randomly.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were, you know, in the rivers [SPEAKER_05]: uh... so everybody was watching the water hard core looking for anything that shouldn't be there the german summaries sank several american vessels off the coast of florida okay causing the u.s military to deploy blimps to patrol the states coastline looking for any dark shapes in the water
[SPEAKER_05]: However, private ships sailing through the water's group paranoid of being attacked by Germans and they were often reported seeing extremely large and identified watercraft around shipping ports. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_05]: Although many of these settings were ultimately found out to be, giant hammerhead sharks swimming near the surface. [SPEAKER_05]: These sharks are shark was so big that people thought it was a German U-boat. [SPEAKER_03]: That's big shark.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like whale sharks, seven, you know, some of the stories. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I just, I just, in my head, I'm picturing them like being so like on edge, just waiting for anything in a whale pops up. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, just one of these sharks, and they just light it up with like a cannon or something. [SPEAKER_05]: They did that to a whale. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and that was like the coach afforded two and one or two. [SPEAKER_03]: And exploded.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He's so dare it like you some marine fire and then in guts to find out where like it was it was red mist. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah Direct hit sir You didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, it's just hated it just hated whales Yeah, but yeah, they found it was just all, you know, he's giants [SPEAKER_05]: And with commercial fishermen coming more and more popular at the end of the war and after the war, fishing began to, or fishermen began to encounter, and extremely large hammerhead shark increasingly more often, bringing their rays and fishing tails about this giant hammerhead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Many of these stories describe a shark as dark as the shadows in covered with deep scars that the Naples Daily News reports. [SPEAKER_05]: So this is a giant old battle. [SPEAKER_05]: It's where the argument is, if it's several, because some of these scars reported different on others, there may have been several old hitlers, whatever this species of giant hammerhead was. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: But there are with big things that are extremely dark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Which is odd for hammerheads. [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get to later. [SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, extremely dark and covered in scars and all kinds of battle loons and that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, James Bond, you know, sure. [SPEAKER_03]: James Bond, there's just one out there, but there's multiple people that play the role.
[SPEAKER_05]: Others say the shark had giant machete wounds, as if somebody was hacking at it as it was eating them. [SPEAKER_04]: That's terrible. [SPEAKER_05]: With one report even saying, one of the massive beast had a knife stuck through its dorsal fin. [SPEAKER_03]: Holy cow, okay. [SPEAKER_05]: As a result, with messing with fishermen hauling in and dump in, you know, basically grabbing fishing nets and pulling the fish back into the ocean.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and some guy like just stabbed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I'm a 20-foot shark, I would be doing the same thing too. [SPEAKER_05]: And others, others are as a scars on old Hitler's head are shaped like a swastika. [SPEAKER_03]: No, it isn't. [SPEAKER_03]: Really. [SPEAKER_05]: Now, here's what it is. [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like the people said it's a boat like a boat strike. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it just kind of looks like it resembles it. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Is that where the nickname came from? [SPEAKER_05]: No, the nickname will get to that. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: The nickname is more of the time the time that this thing got really famous. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, fair. [SPEAKER_05]: That it was just a monster. [SPEAKER_05]: Like the swastika thing I think came later after, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we think it had scars on the Ted. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Do I think it was in the shape of a swastika? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Someone probably photoshopped it in after, you know, like there's no photos of that. [SPEAKER_03]: as tough. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's photographs, man. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but it's hard to get a giant shark and true. [SPEAKER_03]: The whole still. [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like today with, you know, cameras on everything. [SPEAKER_05]: You could just see it. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Take a frame. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: There's cameras on your fridge now. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: It is. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, many anglers in the region have also have their own tails, the tail about this creature, although some, they story, you know, some people think these stories could even be true.
[SPEAKER_05]: No fish or been tails. [SPEAKER_05]: The Florida Fish, uh, counts are the Florida Wildlife Council reports that giant Great Hammerhead sharks, the largest of the species of Hammerhead, are known to freak with the inlets and the Bay mouth and the Florida Gulf Coast. [SPEAKER_05]: There are no strangers to this area. [SPEAKER_05]: I've seen them. [SPEAKER_05]: I've seen really big ones swimming in this area.
[SPEAKER_05]: They've been known to reach nearly 20 feet long and can live well over 20 to 25 years. [SPEAKER_05]: In addition, great hammerheads report ranking 7th and unprovoked attacks on people. [SPEAKER_05]: They are often get inadvertently tangled up in fishing line and fishing boats along the coast and they lash out in the cus they're in pain. [SPEAKER_05]: But they will bite people. [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like any other shark.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if they didn't have such weird shaped heads, they wouldn't get stuck. [SPEAKER_05]: When people see a very large hammer has shark, they just want to say that must be old Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: Director Bob Hunter of the Center of Shark Research at the Mot Marine Laboratory told the Tampa Bay Times, 2007. [SPEAKER_05]: He said, I just think it's a catching nickname.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was kind of right old Hitler was seen attacked like there's stories and we I mean this is for you know a lighter episode There's stories where we'll hit there was attacking boats like Joel stuff and there's some thoughts that because Jolls was not a great white shark What do you mean that the actual stories of Amity Island and all that okay, so you're talking the original story of Jolls the actual animal or event that inspired Jolls
[SPEAKER_05]: was not a great white was not a great white that did the stuff okay a great white was seen where he wasn't supposed to be seen he was in a river sorry moving the white ground in my back screen mm-hmm I caught your backache yeah I know it's contagious uh it was mostly likely a bull shark oh gotcha okay for the original jaws that inspired the story that did the attacks was jaws originally a book yeah okay I thought so I couldn't remember yeah uh so
[SPEAKER_05]: It was rogue shark killed, I believe, three or four people. [SPEAKER_05]: And there are also opportunistic sharks, you know, you don't. [SPEAKER_05]: But it was going in one of the boys, young boys that died, I believe, was near a culvert, fresh water culvert in a river. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know about them. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but we're still pretty close to the ocean.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the shark could been feeding on stuff coming out of the culvert and the kid pretty much just jumps, you know, right, feeding. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So some of the stuff though, also from Jolls, may have been inspired by some of the old Hitler's stories from the 40s and 50s. [SPEAKER_05]: So some people say that the name is inspired by the Swasika shape on his head. [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's the opposite.
[SPEAKER_05]: Most people believe that the name was just came up because the end of World War II, this massive shark, the U-boats, everybody was only seeing this shark because of the U-boats. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Like they were looking for the U-boats. [SPEAKER_03]: They were looking for Germans. [SPEAKER_05]: So people started going off and that's when they started calling mode Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: And they're still to this day.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're still reports of seeing old Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: Really? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Still. [SPEAKER_05]: Now, here's the thing. [SPEAKER_05]: is the behaviors of old Hitler are very different. [SPEAKER_05]: So great hammerheads, that's the species, the great hammerhead. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like I said, massive individuals reach 20 feet. [SPEAKER_05]: And they are, you know, they're not weak animals. [SPEAKER_05]: They do oftentimes hunt in very shallow waters.
[SPEAKER_05]: They hunt extremely large animals, other sharks and tarp in. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, you know, they'll eat, they're mostly, you know, they're going for giant stingrays. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: But they can't be quite aggressive predators like giant tarp and these giant fast fish that they'll take on an eat They are oftentimes light brown in color. [SPEAKER_03]: The the tarp in no no the great hammer heads are okay Not that classic like grayish.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean kind of rich. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that light sandy brown gray whatever you want to call it. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay These guys a lot of old Hitler reciting from the 50s and on are almost black in color [SPEAKER_05]: Really, with the hammer head. [SPEAKER_05]: So one of my thoughts was always that this may be a cryptic species of hammerhead.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when we're saying this, it means it's well hidden from modern science, to where individuals when we talk about our giant, even in our giant, the Senate beat stuff long long ago, or we talked about there may be catching juveniles of this species and classifying it as the other species. [SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha. [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's so close enough.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I think that there could be a cryptic species in the Atlantic Ocean of massive hammerhead shark because a lot of the old Hitler behaviors like they're attacking boats, they're grabbing nets. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: There are very, very much more aggressive than the typical hammerhead shark, the great hammer. [SPEAKER_05]: I've been in the water with great hammers. [SPEAKER_05]: That one that almost killed me. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, pulled in.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a great hammer. [SPEAKER_05]: That you hooked on 20 miles from where the old Hitler was deciding started. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I've seen them all over there. [SPEAKER_05]: I've been in the water with him hammerheads. [SPEAKER_05]: You're talking. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not old Hitler's great hammerheads. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this giant species right based on every scene. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to say is probably around 16 feet.
[SPEAKER_03]: To big fish gosh, that's a big fish. [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of tigers aren't tigers. [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of bulls there too. [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of bulls. [SPEAKER_05]: That's kind of scary. [SPEAKER_05]: Those I don't I mean, I've never was really scared of them, but we always were smart around him. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, respect to him, you know, but they'll come in and look at you. [SPEAKER_03]: They're very curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: We used to go, I think I told this story maybe before, but we used to go to Murdoch Beach and I used to be scared of the ocean because I was somehow in my head, I'm going to get eaten by a shark being in there. [SPEAKER_03]: And we were, I mean, we were a little awesome. [SPEAKER_03]: Like seven or eight years old and I'd only go in the ocean about like up to my knees. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe my waist, if you, if I if wave caught me off guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my dad, it was sick of it pretty much. [SPEAKER_03]: Because we drove all the way to South Carolina at a go to the ocean, so he just picks me up and just starts walking out into the ocean deeper and deeper until he's up to his neck and then he just dumps me and he's like, all right, now you're swimming so I swam all the way back to the beach and I did it, I wasn't scared after that. [SPEAKER_03]: I was like McCollie Cokin and home alone. [SPEAKER_03]: more.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not afraid. [SPEAKER_03]: And then a shark grabbed you. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then a shark ate my hair off. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what happened to it. [SPEAKER_05]: No, so one of my thoughts is there was always a much more aggressive larger predator hammerhead species that is bigger than the top end of the great hammer. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: Where, and they're just really, really dark in color. [SPEAKER_05]: They're maybe a deep ocean feeder.
[SPEAKER_05]: They may be praying more in marine mammals. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what if they are depotion feeders and all the activity, I guess, at the time, just was stern about making them aggressive. [SPEAKER_05]: I think that could be some of it. [SPEAKER_05]: The U boats and the more the Navy presence, you know, that was new to the world, right? [SPEAKER_03]: That was new to the world as far as we know. [SPEAKER_03]: Especially especially in that area.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess if they're over here. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you boats and fighting and blowing up and yeah, that's new. [SPEAKER_05]: Do that on that scale. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_05]: It could be stirring these guys up and they've become more aggressive because they're in new environments. [SPEAKER_05]: They're being driven out of the deep trench. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Now they're reliant on this big swath says giant great hammer heads are they do cross open ocean, but they are shallow water feeders generally speaking. [SPEAKER_05]: They like the giant grass patches. [SPEAKER_05]: They like, you know, these shallow waters. [SPEAKER_05]: You'll see giant amends with their back out of the water feeding. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: That's how shallow that these 18 19 foot monsters will go.
[SPEAKER_05]: They want to eat stingray. [SPEAKER_05]: So they want to eat crabs that, you know, their head is designed for that. [SPEAKER_05]: Right exactly not like I already said on that they're not capable of hunting you know nine foot long tarp and Which is an exaggeration I think they top out of like six or seven okay, but you know not because they do do that they do hunt those animals Yeah, but they're biologically designed from other things so maybe this is the deep water version.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's more aggressive [SPEAKER_03]: And what if all the scars and marks and stuff isn't just from human activity, you know, I don't think it is. [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's from them fighting. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, pray or each other. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I was just say pray and depotion because everything down there is bigger. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I mean, think that they may be a ceiliter like great whites and seals are in a toy like great whites.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you look at the notes, they have tons and tons of deep gouges and scars. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: From seals trying to defend themselves as they're being eaten. [SPEAKER_03]: Our seals, they don't go deep though, do they? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some of them do, like, Oh, really? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do we, what do we, what was it that leopard seal? [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the one we talked about on freaky fauna?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they die pretty good. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they die down. [SPEAKER_03]: Those ones go down pretty far. [SPEAKER_03]: And those are aggressive, too. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would, I'll pick a, I'll pick old Hitler over a leopard seal in the water any day. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh, okay, any day. [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's a quote for a t-shirt. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll pick old Hitler over a leopard seal any day, and then it would be an ocean with one of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if there was no pictures or anything, just I think I could someone read it. [SPEAKER_05]: Something I could win against either. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I have a better chance of deterring old Hitler. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, just smack its nose. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's a lot of nerve endings in that whole big head. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: So get its eyes. [SPEAKER_03]: A leopard seal would just toy with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then play with your guts in front of where you're still alive. [SPEAKER_05]: Like the penguins that they turn inside out for the fun of it. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Leopard seals pretty aggressive scary. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, scary. [SPEAKER_03]: I would not want to be in the ocean with one or any body of water You see one's at hunt zebras That's wild [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no, so I always wonder about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it could be in the all the activity, the u-bout, the bombing, all this stuff sink in, drove them out of the trench. [SPEAKER_05]: Because in between like, brimuda and the continental U.S. [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't get super deep, but there is a pretty big trench there. [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like 1200 feet or something like that. [SPEAKER_03]: And that works. [SPEAKER_03]: The sargasso C is too.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, and there's that too, you know, the tarding point of the ocean. [SPEAKER_05]: You could be sargasso sharks. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they might be. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they aren't, maybe they feel on eels. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how they get so big. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that could be a hot and dry meals with this study. [SPEAKER_03]: They're guts. [SPEAKER_03]: We guess we'd have to catch one first.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: There were a couple of quote unquote old Hitler's killed. [SPEAKER_05]: You can look at pictures of them. [SPEAKER_05]: The biggest one though, the people claim when they killed old Hitler. [SPEAKER_05]: I think was, here we go. [SPEAKER_05]: six meters long in 500 kilograms. [SPEAKER_03]: Six meters. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's like roughly 20 feet. [SPEAKER_05]: Like, is that right? [SPEAKER_05]: That's what it says. [SPEAKER_05]: Whether that's true or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was in the Bahamas. [SPEAKER_05]: When was killed? [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know my conversions that well. [SPEAKER_03]: I just know meters are a little bit bigger than feet. [SPEAKER_03]: And so six eight is like 18 feet. [SPEAKER_03]: So a little longer. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just estimating 20 20 feet. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_05]: It's right there at the max size of a great hammer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And then the people got trouble because they are listed under the red list. [SPEAKER_03]: I did. [SPEAKER_03]: I am curious though about the the dark color. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it could be a morph to a could be a morph or like you said it just a different sub species I think it's a whole different species just with the behaviors. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think that that they're driven out of their home every once in a while and turned into this.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just they there are a lot more aggressive than the typical great hammer because I've never I've been around great hammers there's like on the floor to feeding pairs and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yes, there are predators, but they're just not nearly as aggressive as a bull or tiger or white shark. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, they're not seeking you out to you and those animals aren't either.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but they're not seeking you out to eat you almost every bite is MSID. [SPEAKER_05]: There's a reason they don't come back for a second one. [SPEAKER_05]: If you look at most shark attacks, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: even great whites yeah but the problem is is that first bite's pretty bad yeah when they're four foot across it's a little rough yeah two inch long teeth it's hard seeing some of those jaw bones in person is I don't know it's pretty scary rare to see two bites on a shark victim yeah any questions are any thoughts about a little Hitler um uh [SPEAKER_03]: I guess nothing that comes to mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I think it's good to point out though that it could be a brandy not brandy, but whole new species of great hammer head explained in the darker color the different behavior. [SPEAKER_03]: I like that thought of it over than just the plain old great hammer head [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I just don't see it the great hammer head. [SPEAKER_05]: I don't see these behaviors. [SPEAKER_05]: They will follow fishing boats and they will eat other sharks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've seen them like like cut a shark in half that is six or seven feet long. [SPEAKER_05]: Gosh, on a fishing line. [SPEAKER_03]: That's wild. [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I really don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I really don't know, but this is always the thought I have whenever we I heard about a little Hitler is that it is because everybody that sees one is adamant, but they are like black and color and it's extremely extremely extremely rare for a great hammer head to be dark colored. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not impossible and there's no such thing as an impossible color mutation, but so it just makes you wonder curious. [SPEAKER_05]: But all right, I've been the great and powerful mystery.
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