Bombshell - Full Discussion

I watched Home Alone again. And now I know I'm older. Yeah, because I went on the parent side. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, fuck that kid. Well, no, I heard somebody was like, the older I get, the more I'm like, how did Kevin's father afford that house and a trip to Paris for like nine? Oh, the family is 15. 15.

It's that Wall Street month. It was nine boys, three girls, and stuff like that. She was counting two parents. So did you see the house and how red and green it is on every aspect of the wallpaper?

or the forest, everything. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, because I watched the movies that made us and I watched how they did everything. It was such a cool one, but then I had never seen it in such a long time. And when I was watching, I was like, you know what? I really want to refilm scenes in this where it's different ethnicities. doing it as that role so like an Asian family as Home Alone black family brown family I can see that because I want to see the different scenarios of

Macaulay Culkin's character talking shit back to the mom, especially as a Latino, and getting slapped. A tronclethron? Yeah. I could totally see, like, a Korean family. He's like, I hope you never existed. And the next morning, they're, like, flying. She's like, did you forget something? Yeah, I left him at home. Right? I can totally see them just leaving him. Or the part where he runs to the airport. If it's a brown family, they're getting stopped. Like, stop them!

I just want to see how white you had to be in this film for it to happen. So this year was the first year I actually saw this argument, but whenever anybody says Die Hard's not a Christmas movie... This year, every time online, I saw somebody immediately saying, well, then that means Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie. And it's like, it's the same plot. It's the same movie. Fight me. And it's like, if you...

He went there just for a party. He didn't know what was going on. There was a tweet that said specifically, Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie just because it takes place around Christmas. Die Hard is a Christmas movie because he gets sucked into this invitation to some event he doesn't want to go to by a family.

family member that turns into a hellish nightmare. That is the story of Christmas. It truly is. I think that was the first Christmas, how it started. This is why we need presents because I hate all of you and I need a reason to get away. Christmas was rough.

this year y'all. Before we dive too much into our Christmas, personal Christmas experiences, which we can actually just do that in lieu of weekly shout outs. It's just what was our Christmas experience or shout out a Christmas movie or something to that extent. But let's do a quick introduction.

Critics on Tap, we are talking bombshell. Bombshell. It wasn't an action movie like I thought it was going to be. I mean, you know, because the other movie with Sharice Theron was, you know, an action one with bombshell. He thought it was a sequel to Atomic Blonde. Yeah, I thought it was a sequel. Atomic bomb shots. My bad. She can't read nothing before going into it. There are plenty of blonde women in this film. And a couple of nut shots. All right. I am Bo. I am drinking tequila.

with a little bit of lime seems like the uh thing to do today so uh let's work around uh the circle all right um i'm samantha re lopez and today i am drinking uh crown i'm drinking crown and then at the movie i had that drink that was on the star wars menu it was called what was it called the resistance do or do not

Oh, there is no rye. Which is, yeah, the only one without rye in it. Yeah, yeah. And I was looking at it. I was like, wait, there's no rye in this. And then I had to read it again. And I'm like, oh, yeah, duh. I'm not going to go on this one because, you know, in lieu of the movie, women are going to go before me. But I got to ask you, before we all go with this, since you had a...

movie themed one if there was a themed drink for this movie what you think it would be called and what would it be I was like Oh, like naming. I was going to say straight tequila shots. Yeah. The Roger Ale Ale. Like, I don't know. Oh, the Roger Ailes. It could be a flight. Oh, there you go. There you go. Okay. Anyway, sorry.

Introduce yourself. You're a regular guest. I'm doing a special guest last. I'm Kiko Jess Lopez. I had water just because I wanted to watch this thing sober. I felt like it had to be. And now I'm having tonic and gin. That's it. And we have a special guest over here. I'm Stephanie Hamilton. I was on the Dark Waters episode, and I'm back for Bombshell. And I'm having a screwdriver, which, I don't know, there's probably a joke in there somewhere.

That would have been the drink. It's a whole special menu. You don't have to pick one drink. It could be three or four. But I was drinking... uh cheap beer during the movie so that's that's what i went with uh because it was cheap so so the reason i wanted to go last is i wanted to introduce that not only as you know she's not a regular guest here but we used to play weekly pub trivia together for many years

and all the way through not only the 2015 and 2016 presidential cycle, this whole story, Roger Zales and everything else, and then the Me Too movement. So Stephanie is one of my like weakly sounding boards is like a male trying to like understand what was going on.

world and sometimes it'd be things i didn't understand and i'd be like this doesn't make sense to me why is everyone mad at like matt damon for example that must have been painful i'm like matt damon's trying to say like this and you're like no no here's where you need to be viewing it instead so i

I thought Stephanie was one of the most important voices to kind of work me through that for like years. That's very nice. So I really wanted her to be here for Bombshell. That's funny that he says it that way. I sounded a lot angrier in my head. I thought he was going to be like, oh, I yelled at him a lot and was like, whoa.

What the hell don't you get about this? So long as he gets the point across. Well, you know, I mean, I got the point across. I don't know if he got the point. You are not understanding. I guess we'll see what happens, how this episode plays out. Yeah, who knows? We'll see how much. Maybe tears and more yelling. Who knows? So, but I'm glad to be here. Thanks guys. Um, good soundboard then for this. All right. So, um,

Do you want to... Do y'all want to do anything before diving? What do you think about diving into Bombshell right away and just doing that? Or do y'all want to do any other weekly discussions? Because I kind of feel like this is a movie I just want to talk about. I know. There's a lot to talk about. Lots to talk about. And I kind of feel...

Yeah, I don't know. I guess we could do a quick go around and just sort of say, you know, coming in, did anyone know the source material, the stories, what your information was going in? um so for me i you know i knew this this film was was happening from the writer of the big short uh jay roach who had done stuff like game change uh and recount and and some other kind of political movies and then um

You know, when that trailer came out with Billie Eilish, Bad Guy, it was just like, oh shit, here it is. Such a good song for that. And I didn't know, like I of course knew who Gretchen Carlson was and Megyn Kelly, you know, my...

family watches fox news so much to my chagrin i see more of it than i'd like to and every time i'm in like a hotel room for example and i'm stuck with basic cable you know i kind of like you know let's see what fox news craziness is going on and so i dive in here and there um

And I definitely know Gretchen Carlson and Megyn Kelly. Kayla, I was like, I don't know who that is, but it turns out she's an amalgamation of several characters. Not a real person. So I had the peripheral working knowledge of what happened, but...

You know, spoiler alert for real life, Fox News still exists. It hasn't gone anywhere, so we didn't. So I know sort of what happened. I know there were payouts of that, but that was about it. So I don't know if anyone else had any more or less knowledge than that going on. I had less.

Like, I knew that the whole Roger Ailes thing was happening. I didn't know really any of the details. I honestly didn't know that Megyn Kelly was that involved in all of this either. Like, I heard that there were people who were... you know making the accusations and there were lots of uh women who came forward but i didn't know megan kelly was one of them but i do remember like in parallel

kind of following her career from like a non Fox view watcher or Fox news viewer and kind of seeing the ups and downs and like how she was kind of shuffled around and all of that. So it. made a lot of sense to me to see the story kind of come from her perspective, mainly while Gretchen's character is like, you know, one of the main drivers of the conflict, I guess. So. Yeah, it was super interesting. And now I feel like I have to go on like...

I'm going to go into a rabbit hole of finding what was real and what wasn't. Cause at the beginning there's, you know, that card that's like, this is based on true story, but also like probably some of it's not maybe, but also like for legal reasons, we have to tell you all this. Yeah. So, uh, Yeah, I'm really interested to dig in to that further. So I did watch Loudest Voice in the Room, which was a series, and I'm forgetting which channel was on.

Showtime. No, Showtime. I thought of Showtime. So Showtime, which... is a very similar storyline. It's a longer timeline, so before and after the events in the film take place. And then there's also definitely a different... viewpoint it's much more um roger ale centered i also watched vice which i think you guys uh most of you have probably seen the movie vice which was very um

It wasn't focused on Fox and Roger Ailes, but had a definite piece to it. If you're putting a puzzle together, that was a part that made the whole picture of the movie.

movie vice so that I came from that and then um you know as I again self-identified feminist for sure and then uh you know I still go with SJW most of the time uh uh I I've heard of

the tale of the story through the liberal news media's lens. And every once in a while, I'll check in on Fox just to... see see what they say um i don't get a i don't get a steady diet of it i kind of try to avoid it um but uh still know thy enemy yeah yeah i definitely yeah yeah no no i mean the day i i just i went on the women's

March, the day after Trump was inaugurated. And I checked in to see what Fox was saying that night, just to check and see what they, you know, are they reporting on it? And it was like, you know, fifth story down, of course, one of the biggest.

you know, marches in the country. So I, uh, yeah, I always, I always kind of just like to, to, to, and I have the family members, uh, not so I don't have as many, uh, dedicated Fox viewers as, uh, as Bo, I think has in his family, but, uh, I, my, my, my mom. likes chris wallace specifically and ship uh ship smith is that his name shepherd smith yeah um so yeah she she she likes she likes specific i'm always worried she's gonna get sucked in i know that's a weird thing to say but again

It's not weird. How it happens. Yes, thank you. Okay, so as someone who's self-identifying as the liberal, so I definitely always worry about that, that my mom will somehow now expand her hours into some of the more Hannity and... insanity that's on there. Be taken in by their looks and then suck them all in. Those legs, you know. The legs of the guys, man. The hairiness, they keep them in the pants. They're just... I knew about the story. I never really...

not to sound mean, I didn't pay attention. I just knew everything was going on. I just, it doesn't shock me and those things that are happening and not to minimize it at all. It was just like, yeah. And, but the fact that it took a little long to get through, I understand people trying to keep their job and.

people now wanting to be rock the boat kind of thing, especially at Fox or anywhere in general. I mean, ABC had the same thing. Every network has had the same thing. It's just who came down first, and that was a very big surprise to find out. Fox went down first for that one, you know, with Roger Ailes. Other than that... To clarify, I don't think ABC... NBC had Matt Lauer and CBS had Les Moonves, but I don't think ABC, is what you said, had anything...

too large. I think they had other reporters or they had other smaller anchors coming with it. You can just recant your statement. You can just say you're wrong. It's okay. Oh, I mean statistically. I mean statistically. Well, what I'm saying is they're probably going down.

owned by Disney. They're the one that's like... They got lawyers. They got lawyers. They got lawyers. I don't think anything publicly became... You don't want to get hit. Is that what you're saying? You just don't want to get hit on Spotify? I don't want to get hit by the cartoon mouse that owns everything.

being afraid too I don't think that ABC had anything I really I felt the same I just wasn't going to correct I was like he means Aiden BC I mean either way about it what it means is just like even at any network because I was on the way back over here I was watching all the things about like Megyn Kelly and afterwards and did a really good job with her cadence to reach their own.

But whenever she was talking about things and stuff that happened, I believe, NBC, right? Am I talking? Yeah. Do we know that? Thanks, Tim Apple. Yeah, Tim Apple. And when she was talking about how things happened, they were asking her, like, so now it happened at Fox, and you're over here talking about things.

now do you feel your credibility is off and she's like dude it's happening everywhere like it's not a singularity it's not because it happened here it is more than likely everywhere we just haven't had any time to really say it and now people are actually running scared because they're like shit you can actually come together and get stuff done so to think

That it was one station. No, I would always be like, we're going to find some shit. It wasn't one industry either. Let's, let's be real. Like we're talking semantics. Like it was a network versus another network. I mean, yeah. The public versus non-public, but you know, I mean, it's. Yes.

Yeah, it's like they... It's in society. You know, the call's coming from inside the house. It's everywhere. They couldn't make the guy sell the network like the 76ers owner and make it get away from the rest of them whenever he got caught with his racial things. I was like, he said... the n-word. No, he never said the n-word. He actually never said the n-word. He said, don't hang around with them and don't take pictures of black people. That's all he said. Yeah.

And so he didn't say the end word. William Gibson said worse than that on tape. Yeah, he did. On tape. On tape. And he's still being nominated for Oscars. He's a really good actor. But he was drunk. No, he was a drunk director. That was what he found. Anyways, but so like what it was about it and you see with the networks that they couldn't do.

what they did on basketball was they made that guy get rid of him because they're like, look, they'll come after the rest of us if we don't get rid of him, which the networks couldn't. They were like, crap, there's a bunch of us and now it's...

Well, no, you always say that. But I digress from everything, sorry. We all have. Bo will get me back on track. But anyways, that's where I'm coming from, seeing it in a, it was a very interesting take. And I know the guy, the director of the big short, I was... Well, no, it was the writer, Charles Randolph, who wrote the big short. It was the one who wrote this, and we were talking...

The screenplay? Right before the movie, yeah. So he had said, and he's the sole screenwriter of this story entirely. It's not like based on a book. It's not the writers or nothing. I guess he had turned in his final draft right before the Me Too movement. About two weeks before Weinstein and all that.

Right. He's like, I mean, obviously, if it was today, I couldn't have written this movie. We would have passed it off to a female. That's what he said. It was already written and done. Yeah. And Jay Roach ended up directing Men in Black. No, that's Barry Seinfeld. Damn. You're close. Wait, did he executive produce? So Jay Roach, his first feature was Austin Powers. He was buddies with Mike Myers on a personal level. He helped him try to find his director for Austin Powers. What are you doing?

with Men in Black. That's the only movie I recognize. I'm just kidding. No, J-Rose is involved with Men in Black. Okay. In some way. If you say so. in the meantime he went on to direct so Jay Roach directed Austin Powers 1, 2, and 3 but he went on to also do Meet the Parents but then he got in the more political side of things with the made for HBO films recount with

Kevin Spacey, and then Game Change, which was the 2008 Sarah Palin, John McCain side of the story in that election. Yeah, so he's made this film here, which gets into the...

the bowels of the shithole that is Fox News. Oh, no, don't say things like that. So I don't think anyone here is going to pretend to be unbiased when it comes to... fox news being we all live in austin yeah i mean you know i i'm not trying to be an unbiased journalist covering the film or anything like that i mean like this is an opinionated thing i come into it i do believe 100 that fox news has caused a huge decline.

in American intelligence and overall an objectivity in the news as a whole that wouldn't if they hadn't started it places like MSNBC and CNN wouldn't have pulled to seeming left although they're not as nearly as left as

Fox News is right, of course. I would say not just objectivity, but I think they really have something to do with the disintegration of you know really what they what their fair and balanced bullshit is about that that conversation that people can have about you know it used to be like two sides coming together for

what they you know we can we can agree to disagree but uh fox said you're either with us against us oh wait that was george bush but whatever it's true propaganda it's gotten to the point where they have desensitized their audience to under to this very minimal not minimal it's almost they've removed their media literacy to a point where they can control and can use this as a propaganda machine so yeah i mean it's very calculated it was very intentional i mean based on

know what we heard on this in the film today whether it's true or not like it was all very controlled by just a few people and so and that's the problem right there is you know throw journalistic integrity out the window and you've got fox news you know and add a little bit of uh homophobia racism uh you know all wrapped in our good friend the patriarchy yes and that makes that's a money machine too you know cash

cow for a couple of folks so yeah and they and and they single-handedly um are responsible for helping put trump over the top in 2016 i mean without their brothers yeah but without their without fox news really selling narrative. It doesn't matter how much money

that someone like the Koch brothers or anyone else would have thrown behind Trump. Like if Fox News hadn't been there each and every day telling people like, oh, don't pay attention to this story about Trump. Here are the other things you need to be worked up about. Here are the immigrants. Here are the other enemies in your daily life that makes your life. life difficult. One of the best if you hadn't read it, one of the best pieces about the inner workings of

Fox News and the whole history of how they came to be all the way through their relationship with the Trump White House. Currently came out back in March. It was a Jane Mayer article in The New Yorker called The Making of the Fox News White House. That's a hugely extensive, amazing article that anybody should check out if they're more interested in the inner workings and that relationship between it. Not to spoil anything yet, but in the film you start to see there is cohesion between

the Trump administration currently and Fox News. What? So anybody who thinks that might be fictionalized, go read this piece in the New Yorker first because it's well documented. Also surprised you've made this many episodes in on this podcast. I think I like knowing that and knowing how like in bed with each other, you know, the Trump administration and Fox news is, I think that's why anytime I hear anything about like, Ooh, is.

is fox kind of faltering when it comes to trump coverage or you know anything like that i like eat that up i'm like oh my god is there drama is there trouble in paradise because i so badly want to see what that would look like you know if fox news were to turn on and really start to...

move in the other direction? Like, what does that look like? I know we're supposed to talk about a movie, but I just feel like anytime they do, there's the trouble in paradise with Fox News and Trump administration. It's the will they or won't they of It's the Ross and Rachel of the whole thing. It is, it is. I mean, I believe, you know, they even said in the movie itself that there was a, you know, people don't stop watching. People don't stop watching because there's a controversy.

People stop watching when there isn't one. Exactly. So, you know, stir up the pot a little bit and all of a sudden, yeah, you're curious and I'm curious. And it arms the Fox News watchers with enough ammunition that when you try to engage them from the other side and...

in an honest debate, they're like, well, not every, I mean, look at Chris Wallace. Like, he's not like, you know, it's like, oh, he's only a six on Trump's scale of one to ten that he actually keeps. And Shep is gay, so come on. Somehow that counts. Yeah, and now they have, there's a of Brazil who's now on there. Oh, is she on Fox? I believe so. Oh. Yeah.

It's a whole rabbit hole of a whole mess of a hornet's nest that we're not going to solve right now in this conversation. Are we not on a politics podcast? I think we should go into the politics of it a little bit deeper in a minute. Okay.

I think we should, some of what this movie is, especially because I want to do a quick take episode, so I'm going to cut out what I'm saying now, but for the quick take episode, I would like to... do a quick overview, spoiler free of the film as a whole, who you recommend it to, uh, that sort of thing. So, um, to, to lead by example, as I try to do, um, give you all time to think of your own.

So coming into this movie, I knew enough about the people who made it, the tone of the film, everybody involved. I knew exactly what I was going to come walking into more or less. I did get exactly more or less what I thought was going to happen.

happen i'd even read uh i forget an exact tweet but they had said like while they do a good job of getting into the meat of the story like the facts what happened who was involved what went down they may not have done enough of in my own opinion the emotional deep dive into the actual causes stuff like you just didn't quite feel the emotional takes it was more of an intellectuals

viewpoint of the situation more than somebody who's in and that may suffer from a male writer and a male director coming in and doing this whole thing I don't know how others feel about that I think there was a little bit of truth to that I could see objectively why someone would think that but at the same time i also saw like they did a really good job of making sure that i constantly i tried to put my mind in the place of a fox news watcher especially family members and thought like

They'd be like, yeah, I mean, I still like Fox News, but that, you know, yeah, that Roger Ailes guy is pretty bad or, you know, but I think this is such a delicate and complex sort of situation and instead of. uh circumstances we're dealing with that it's as a film

I think this is one of the better versions of what you could do to tell this story to reach a broader audience as opposed to just amplifying it within the already paying attention base. Like there is a lot of people who don't actively follow these stories and don't.

care because they're just like well you know most news is corrupt or oh i don't you know i don't watch the news because you know they're all biased and this is something that might get through that might cut through some of that um you know instead of cutting through the noise of the

political Twittersphere is more something to likely cut through the apathy that is the half of American voters that don't vote. So maybe that's what they're going for a little bit more. And I like that. So I think that's an interesting. kind of viewpoint of it. Overall, I think it was fun and funny considering what they had to work with and a topic that is not...

At the end of the day, this isn't fun and funny of a topic, but they made an entertaining story that engaged people and hopefully made them think. So that's my take on it. Anyone want to? Go next, Sam. I'm getting pointed at by Kiko. I think he's sticking by the whole women go first thing this time. No, so I am all for white people tea. And I loved seeing the drama of like what was going on. I think for me, it was.

It definitely solidified my assumptions that I had about Fox News and that kind of aspect of media in terms of, as I mentioned, the sexism, homophobia, racism aspect of things through the dialogue and the interactions that they're having. And also like, could we count any people of color in this film? None with speaking roles.

Janine Pereira is probably the closest one. She had black hair. She's the closest to color person of color. She really did stand out because everyone else was blonde. You know, the redhead. Anyway, so yeah, again, just kind of. solidified that for me um and then charlie's performance was dope she killed it and was megan kelly like that was that was great um and in terms of

The emotional aspect of things versus the, you know, kind of the drama that surrounded the accusations. I do agree that that might be. kind of some fallout from the fact that it is written by a man, directed by a man, but also... I could see the argument for the emotional aspect of the sexual harassment kind of being seen through the eyes of Margot Robbie's character. And the rest of the women were kind of put in a position.

position of how do we play this politically since those are essentially what is motivating all of the moves that they're making is you know, what's at stake, right? Their jobs, these other things as opposed to true ethics. So you see them kind of dancing with that throughout the whole film is, you know, how does this affect me versus what is the right thing to do?

And let's see. I don't know what else to say. I think that's. Who's this movie for? Oh, you know what? What I do think is interesting and what I mentioned before, too, was that I'm interested to see what is true and what. Hollywood liberties were taken because, I mean, if you truly think about it, we're talking about Fox News, which is like, you know, the fake news. And, you know, when someone watches this as a, you know, based on a true story, it's kind of wrapped.

in you know something some things are true some things are made up and it's a little bit hypocritical when we think about it right like and we're talking about fox news from this perspective um But it's not a documentary. So it's, you know what I mean? So it's just an interesting thing. There is a difference between what they did with this film versus what's coming out at the exact same time as Richard Jewell, where they completely concocted a relationship between a reporter and an FBI agent.

who, you know, in the story turns informant because of a sexual relationship, which, I mean, granted, it is Jon Hamm and Olivia Wilde, so I'm here for both of them. But at the same time, that was intentionally concocted despite there being zero evidence. whatsoever of existing in either of the book. And so as they concocted, they, but it was simply to like push his narrative, like corrupt media, corrupt FBI. It's Clint Eastwood arguing with the chair. Yeah.

And I don't believe that anyone involved with bombshell acted in bad faith just to prove their point. So I just wanted to make sure that was said of like, there was dramatizations to help prove the point based in fact. To flesh the point.

But not to, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, agreed. Okay, so... Kiko? Kiko, am I going next, or are you? Okay. Kiko wants the last word, because he's a man. Because he's a man, yeah. Okay, so I'm going to start, since we're doing our takes, by saying that I'm going to ask my... Fellow female. I'm going to go with some F's here. Some alliteration. So my fellow female to fuck Fox and the patriarchy by taking a shot. Yes. And so here we go. So we have two shots here of Grey Goose. Grey Goose.

Grey Goose Vodka, and we're going to do that up. Cheers. Fuck Fox, and fuck the patriarchy. So, get that out of the way. Okay. So then now, Oh, what did I know? What am I, what are my thoughts? Well, who's this for? Uh, it's definitely not for the most liberal feminist woman out there. And I say that as pretty feminist and pretty liberal just because... There's not a very good satisfying end. It looks like the trailer before the movie, Young...

promising young woman that might, that might, uh, might land a little bit more square, but yeah, you, I mean, you know, Roger Ailes gets a spoiler alert, uh, for history, for real life, but a golden parachute. And. Um, ultimately Fox still exists. So, you know, let's, let's just be honest. Like let's, it's not. It's not a happy ending. So, I mean, the happy ending that Roger Ailes would love. Wait, no, no, sorry. There were plenty of those.

um but no i i uh i it is i felt really nice and central i feel like i could show it to my mom maybe and as a central you know, not too liberal, not too conservative person, she would be like, oh, that's really inappropriate. She might come out being like, wow, Roger Ailes is really inappropriate. But I don't know that she'd be super upset about the culture. And that's, I think, maybe what was missing. I felt tons of empathy for every woman, whether or not they were complicit.

Even the secretary, I don't, I don't, I don't remember what her name was, but she was played by, she was played by the older actress, um, who, uh, who I really like, who I think is, uh, is, well, I don't want to, I don't want to.

say her sexuality she might be lesbian she might be bi but she she's she's definitely a liberal a liberal woman and um she actually is the like procurement kind of like oh yeah there's a moment in there um none um i can't remember her name but uh so she she's amazing but there's definitely like this this feeling this thread that goes throughout that feels ominous and dark and is definitely uh if if you've got someone who's and maybe a man or maybe a woman who grew up with the the idea that men

just being men yes holland taylor thank you holland taylor yeah she's in a I love her. Exclusive relationship with Sarah... Is she still with Sarah... Paulette? Paulson. Paulson. Sarah Paulson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Holland Taylor, huh? I kind of thought that might have been, but I was scrolling here on IMDb and couldn't find it.

And she's great. But the idea that there's that, I don't know. I feel like if you know someone who they know about sexual harassment, but they kind of have that kind of attitude of boys will be boys, this might be. an eye-opening movie for them. They might kind of feel the emotion and what happens when you let that culture run amok. And so that's really, that's who I saw the film more for than, I mean, your diehards, your women who really...

already have either personally felt it and are angry or have grown up in a society that won't take that shit anymore. This film, it... speaks to them but on a yeah i already know like i think samantha you already kind of mentioned that and it covers all of those bases i feel like with all of the characters it's like those who were victims those who were um where someone in like

entrust that information with you so like kate mckinnon's character and so and then also from the other end too like the the wide swath of men who are the perpetrators right like it's not just and and the the men who are like oh well this and that and the other or or you're gonna come out nice pants who will defend them or you're gonna you're gonna come out and you're gonna say something but what about me what about my family

So I think if you know somebody who you think that might have a chance at getting a Clemson, what it's really like to have sexual harassment. on a real level affect them, that this might be a good movie for them. And I enjoyed it. I think there should be some Oscars. I didn't realize that it was the writer of The Big Short, but it does make sense on the pacing. But I ultimately, I really liked the movie.

thought i was gonna think it was a little too much like what i'd seen before since i've seen this story but uh i i really really enjoyed it and i'd recommend it so you'd say they like they packaged a familiar story for you in an interesting way that's like engaging

That's a great way to rephrase exactly what I said, Beau. Thank you so much, you white male. Nailed it. Oh, God, I wanted to mansplain something so bad. I just spent the last three hours all I wanted to just mansplain the shit out of something. You're welcome.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, Kiko, why don't you mansplain this movie even further for us? Thanks, Kiko. The mansplain. You should do like a teeny tiny version of this episode where it's just Kiko mansplaining. Mansplaining. Yes. If you're the type of guy that watches this movie and walk away thinking, damn, this is a tragic movie about an executive who loses his job to some...

blonde haired bimbos and you're a dick and that's the type of person you're not supposed to be watching this movie wow hot take but you're right too it's not for the extreme liberal because it doesn't give you what you really want

And the entire time you'll sit there be wondering, like, why the fuck doesn't somebody talk up? And it's the truth of what it is. And I think Thank You for Smoking gives it the perfect analogy of why he does what he does when he works for the devil. I'm not calling Fox News a devil. I'm calling just doing...

being quiet but you can that's fine yeah I mean it's definitely the devil's right hand yeah it's definitely his pinky toe or something you know but it's like what it was is he was like you know why do I do it I do it to pay the mortgage and that's what everybody was talking about I was like so perhaps we'd be all better if we all leave beast.

So I just saw it in every little bit of it. And I knew it even before everybody opened their mouth was they're just like, I have to pay my mortgage. I have to, I've got my job. I've got what I want. And they know exactly. And especially the executives, I'm not saying this is a truthful depiction.

on anybody this is more of showing you what happens when you get people who are self-absorbed want to be noticed want to be famous and are willing to do whatever it takes they will and they'll keep their fucking mouth shut And other people will also keep that on there for them until it comes crumbling down. It's going to take one slight move and it'll come crumbling down. And it usually has to come from a top and it's just.

One person who's, whether you want to call her brave or just, you know, opportunist. She can be both. She can be both. Yeah. I mean, because if a guy can be both, because it's just showing you that all the time that women have to do suck a dick or take one to get the job that a guy just does when he punches another guy in a dick or says hey what's up bro like you know it's

it's fucking shitty and I've seen it. I mean, as much as I would love to sleep my way to the top, that's my only preference. Um, yeah, I mean, I would, I mean, you know, like watching this movie about it and like knowing and understanding, like, yeah, like people just have to be quiet. I've seen it in.

shittier jobs like jobs that are not even that amazing and like you kept your mouth shut like minimum wage seven dollars an hour yeah I mean I've worked off and on in the bar industry in downtown Austin 6th street where else I mean like yeah on I mean, the bartender especially, the objectification of female bartenders, almost all of the managers and owners are male. I mean, yeah, it's a smaller scale of the exact same.

breakdown of what was happening within this world what's interesting is like you say smaller scale and that's true just financially about it yeah yeah but like when you think about the victims and the women that like That impacts their entire lives. And so I think whenever we talk about, you know, victims and the women who are accusers and we use that language of like, oh, they've been men have been accused that kind of like reduces. that language. And so it's interesting to see how that's

that conversation has evolved over time now that there are so many more people coming forward. Um, but there's a lot of defense from the other side. Well, yeah, well, um, to a certain extent. Yeah. but there's just so much, you know, misogyny coming from men, but then also like internalized misogyny coming from women. So it's like, you have a confidant or someone that you could relate to who is another woman. That's not necessarily the case either.

It doesn't even have to be internalized misogyny. It can just be the... thing that you're taught as a woman to not rock the boat to not make a scene um to be a subordinate to be a subordinate that that some if something happens and everyone's having a good time you're you're just gonna slap that guy's

hand away rather than stopping the whole party and explain to everybody that he just killed the vibe Stacy what the fuck but he just killed it like he just tried to grab my pussy it's all like dude just walk away what you can't take a joke you don't have a of humor exactly exactly and that but that's when and and and when we talk about the how prevalent it is uh how how big of an impact i mean and that's the thing is and i think it is internalized misogyny when it comes to

Women saying, oh, well, you see how she dresses. She was asking for it. She likes to sleep around, so of course this would happen. It doesn't matter. She likes you. She controls it. What the fuck is it to you? There's also... a certain amount of societal brainwashing that happens from a young age. Rape is rape regardless. Hey, anyone else have to cover their shoulders as a 13-year-old girl at middle school? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So ingrained in us. Oh, yeah. So that's a pretty weird thing to have. So, you know, back to the movie. No, I think the funnier part about it, what it shows explicitly, especially in the movie itself, was like... How much men. don't like to believe victims, but are so quick to cause a problem and then be the victim. They were, they were caused, like he did everything. And at the end of it, he was just like, how could they do this to me? I gave them jobs. And it's like,

But they claim this victim sorry, but the moment it comes on them all of a sudden. Oh my god Me. And this isn't me trying to pander to the audience and hear anybody out there. This is because I have friends who are also in shitty relationships and their husband, I have a friend whose husband's cheated three times. She's caught him and she keeps going back. And every time he's like, I just, I don't.

know how that would happen i just thought you would forgive me and i'm like you know what's amazing is he can easily play the fucking victim in this when you are the victim for putting up for this shit from allowing it to happen and all of a sudden men are all of a sudden this now he's like

but I'm weak now and how could you beat me while I'm down? And I'm like, easy, kick you in the fucking nuts. That's called manipulation. It is. A lot of times these people know what they're doing. I mean, when we think about, you know, the power structure and, you know, the... societal gender norms and all that bullshit. Some of that shit is like very much concocted and you know, it's manipulation. It's, you know, and, and some of these things, these people might not even know they're doing.

having like manipulative and controlling tendencies. just based on other relationships that they've seen so it is like so deeply ingrained in our society that we find it the norm and when those things are challenged it's like wait what like how what no there's no way that i was stepping out of you know what what is right and what's ethically correct it's you know they're they're all of a sudden the victims you know just that always reminds me of say anything just yeah

He's just like imposing himself on her. Yeah, constantly. And she's going through a lot. Her dad's being, you know, going to jail. Making it about him. Yeah, and he's making it all about him. And he's standing outside. And she's just like, go away. I need to deal with some stuff. And he's just constantly.

But that's, ask a lot of women. Or play Groundhog's Day. I've spent a professional thousands of dollars at this point to work back on that shit. You know what I mean? Like, I've been in... hella toxic relationships with friends family in romantic relationships and that is one of those things where it's just like

You need to be willing to put a mirror up and work and do the work to undo that shit. But who does that? And who has the resources to do that? You know, resource is one thing. And then also just awareness. Yeah, we.

I mean, even, let's just, it was the holidays. Say anything. That dude outside with those cards that we all want to romanticize. I love you even though you're married to my last friend. What did I say? You were saying say anything. Oh, sorry. The jukebox was saying anything.

say anything love actually yeah sorry it's the holidays love actually thank you for correcting me no individuality in our ways to get our women to break them down yeah we've been we've been we've been constantly playing on that but it's also women have also told you too to do that to be like just get a guy that you can make

him better or you can do it which make me lock it down upset like it's actually when i see young friends who've gotten divorced before 30 and they're like i thought he was i was like no no you were told to make him better yeah instead of going hey how do i wait and love myself and then somebody who equally adds

to whatever. You're never going to get somebody completely matched. Don't be like, I can fucking redo you like a damn Chevy. Wouldn't that be great? Wouldn't it be great to do a restoration? A new or a starter home, like a starter marriage. Yeah, a starter marriage. Can we get you a different stick shift? Thank you. I was trying to think of an analogy. Thank you.

I think to bring it back to the film, though, in the way that, you know, Megan... Oh, are we in spoilers now? No, I mean... Anyone final thoughts that you want to say before we bring us into... you know, who should see it or anything like that. The who should see it was hard for me. I mean, I think from my perspective, I came in with kind of knowing the minimum of the fact that like, I know a fact that Roger Ailes was ousted quote unquote.

Didn't know how, didn't know by who. And I think that was fine for me, to be honest. But now I feel like I'm going to go in a black hole of, you know. Yeah, I would say, like, I think one of the things we were touching on but didn't quite flesh out that I wanted to say was I feel like this is one of those films that is...

definitely not made for the extreme far right or the extreme far left correct this is definitely something that tried to hit the middle ground and tried to strike that centrist chord yeah that's what they were trying to do for better or worse that's the goal and hopefully putting nicole kidman and

Charlize Theron and Margot Robbie on the movie poster with a Billie Eilish song the trailer will get people get asses in the seats regardless of where they stand politically if they don't pay attention to anything politically just get them in there set them down and hopefully they'll realize Oh, this is bad. It's not just a Republican versus Democrat thing. This is something that exists in the entire culture.

of humanity not just in america but everywhere and i think they ultimately did a good job of marketing and appealing to everyone in a way that gets them in there and maybe they'll pay attention and um let me do a little trigger warning uh a very liberal thing for me to do uh but i i do you know if you've if you've experienced a sexual assault there's is some sexual harassment. There is some...

inappropriate behavior both referenced and a little bit shown on screen. If you were able to get through the loudest voice in the room, it's nothing compared to that. It's the loudest voice in the room. I mean, it's showtime, so they can go a lot, a lot further, but it's still, it touched a nerve with me. You just be ready.

Just be prepared. I know that if you're going to a film called Bombshell about Roger Ailes, you probably are. But it's got some moments that made me hot and angry. Kiko, check us the spoilers. SPOILER! How did we turn in? It was a newsroom. It was a newsroom. That was terrible. That was really bad. Spoilers. All right. Note to editor. Use take two. Okay. Do it again. No. Because we were all talking.

Not only a sexual harassment and rape against company policy, it's also illegal. And he gets away with it. Oh, well. Yeah. I recently saw a tweet, and it's probably been out for years, but it said, if a crime is punishable by a fine, then... it's legal for rich people oh yeah and i felt and okay and i felt that thought throughout this movie because if a crime like sexual harassment has a legal arbitration and an ultimate financial settlement when they have millions and millions of dollars

Yeah. Was this a reference to Weinstein? Because he recently came out that it's going to be able to pay $25 million or something. No, I think it was somebody who was just tweeting about, you know, regular, like, you know, running a stop sign kind of shit. This is what we need Dan Chappelle back. I mean, he was not necessarily held accountable. He just paid them off. And it's true. It's like if there are enough of these, I think...

Speaking to your point, Bill, about Weinstein, he got to the point where it was the cost of doing business. And it was so well known within his organization that, like, they would just pay these women off anytime anyone would come forward. And it's like, okay, that's true. It's basically the equivalent of, like...

Walmart and Home Depot factoring loss prevention costs. Like, oh, this is how much money is going to be shoplifted from our stores. We're just going to factor in, like, boom, $90 million a year for just the loss prevention payoffs. And loss prevention equals our CEO wage.

But I think if we were, so now that we're talking through spoilers, and we were talking earlier about, you know, what, the way that we are conditioned to kind of stay quiet, I think when it came down to the i guess internal struggle where megan kelly was like do i say something do i not say something you know this was years ago that does play into the fact that like As women, we are told not to rock the boat, but at the same time, she's trying to...

shoot her career in one direction and she even says it says it at one point she's like i don't want to be the face of sexual harassment this is going to be terrible for my career like who am i going to be so like she threw her identity into what her um like news anchor whatever what do you call her a tv personality um and that is who she is that's who she's well how she how her career has been and so this being something that There's so much on the line for her.

But at the same time, her understanding that there's so much more on the line with like the next generation of women that the conversation that she has with Margot Robbie's character, I think is really important for us to see that kind of shift in her and that she. challenged for the first time from that perspective of like if you don't say something there's going to be more victims i don't mean i'm not challenged to what you're saying but um i guess side note but

We know that Megyn Kelly, I guess, did have something happen. Didn't report it. That side character doesn't exist. That conversation may never have happened. But we do know Megyn Kelly left Fox and goes to NBC, right? But ends up with what career? Where's she now? I don't know. Do you know? No, I just looked on her Wikipedia and I was like, I don't think she's on television anymore. Yeah. And.

You and I both didn't know she was actually involved in the Roger Ailes scale. So her staying out of it both hurt her career and also ended up. her coming out got her nowhere yeah like so it's funny i mean not funny in a haha way well but but where's gretchen Gretchen said we got $20 million. But $20 million means... The only thing $20 million means is Roger Aylann admits he did it. That's what it means. But when you're... I mean, I don't...

I don't know what your life goal is, Kiko, but what if it was to be on television? Oh, yeah. Then what she wanted is now gone. It's gone. It's gone. 20 million is a cold comfort. What really happened as a result of her switching?

to NBC and doing that is why it didn't do well because everybody realized ideologically your morals are for sale yeah you are not Fox News and now you're going on NBC you're like I want to make sure to be honest like I remember when they had that whole whole big push for her and I was like Bitch, that means everything you say is for sale. Not to say bitch like that. I'm just saying, how dare you come at me like that? But also she said that shit about like...

you know, cultural appropriation and costumes and shit. And so she got some heat and I was like, girl, you're on a liberal media. Like, you can't say that shit. Yeah, no, I watch MSNBC. I never watched her show once. I think I recorded it. I never watched. This is a comedy. lots of factors but you know i think

It's interesting to see her story because of all of those different factors. And, you know, I think you can't help but put yourself in her shoes and think about like, what if this was the thing that I wanted to do? And then this man was exerting his practice. power in a way that was so um overt and you know he has that conversation with um what's her name kayla

And he's like, what happens in this room stays in this room. And it goes both ways. Like you can't tell anybody and falsely giving her this type of like, you know, fake power of like. it's in your hands it's up to you but ultimately it's like no no if she said anything he would squash the fuck out of her you know he has so much lawyers money power all of that shit that he had he knew what he was doing he knew how he was manipulating

every factor of what went on television who was working in his rooms how many blowjobs he got like that it was just mind-blowing well yeah and the women that he was um the women he was more insistent with It seems like we're the ones who were more ambitious. And he knew he could manipulate. And that's exactly what a manipulator does. They can sense it. They can see it. And as soon as Megyn Kelly pulled away, what did he do? What's your contract up?

Yeah. Yeah. When's your contract off? And then, and then she didn't come back. So he didn't come back. He let it lie, but he knew how to work. Yeah. I mean, that's what an abuser does. Yeah. That's what an abuser does.

I think it was, I like the most about this is that there was a, kind of reminded me of Ford versus Ferrari. Cause there wasn't any character in here that I liked. Nobody in here was good. Everybody was kind of bad in essence. And they were never portraying Megyn Kelly as a great person. She didn't want to become a feminist. She didn't want to be part of the movement.

Margot Robbie's character didn't even give a shit she just wanted to be famous and even through almost to the end she still had that dilemma of like what am I going to do with my career so to anybody else the secretary any other girl any other guy and even what's her name from SNL who was the liberal in Fox News working there she was even bad because she's like I'm here because I just fucking need a job I can't get a job because I work for Fox News but she's like

willing to go through shit. And remember she had stopped her. She was like, you know, for my better me, please do not bring me into this because she wanted to keep her job part of the problem. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I do think that we saw some, we saw a lot of growth in, uh,

Margot Robbie's character right you see her at the beginning of the film as one thing obviously all this shit happens to her but then she starts to realize at the end that like I can't be here anymore and you know we hear this voiceover so I thought there were a couple of interesting

uh directorial choices that happen throughout the film and that we see the fourth wall being broken by a couple of characters and we see voiceover from multiple character or narration from multiple characters even to the point where there was

this kind of anecdotal story being told which is kind of like a flashback and you could see her in her thoughts and that was interesting because like you only see her name yeah it was like calling back to a former case but I felt like that happened Happened a lot at the beginning and dropped off.

I thought it was going to happen more. It was very sparse throughout the rest of it. Because Megyn Kelly starts off with this whole, almost like a monologue. She's talking to the camera full on at the beginning. Yeah. And then you see a little bit from, I feel like Nicole Kid.

Kidman is probably the one that breaks the fourth wall the most in very small moments. And then we hear voiceovers mostly from Megan Kelly's character and then from Nicole Kidman's. But yeah, throughout the film, it's a little more few and far between. Yeah, I would say that. The first 30, 45 minutes, it's like almost half and half, maybe, of fourth wall breaking versus...

So it feels like it's set up as an editorial, but I really wanted more of that, a little bit more towards the end of the film. But I feel like maybe the choices were made that they were trying to not... break up the action as much but like that's true yeah even when when uh what's her name the uh

uh margo margo when margo kayla kayla thank you when kayla kayla walks out when the big roger ale seems happening you don't hear anything and i thought that was when you would have heard her being like a little bit stronger in her head about...

about, about her decision. Like there, there, there was, I mean, they showed it. I think she says a line that says something like, I know I can't make change here, but I can elsewhere. Does she? I'm sure it never happened somewhere else. Yeah, something, but I don't remember. Oh, you know what she does? She does. And she,

And I think that was when she throws her in the trash can. She throws her fox in the, you're right, you're right. And that was when Roger Ailes had made that announcement that he was, no, I'm sorry. He wasn't actually. Murdoch was making the announcement that Ailes was out.

i think everyone and it's interesting because that announcement is being made and you're seeing cutaways to all of these women and there's this look of disappointment on their faces because they're like all these because everyone's following it right and so they're like all these fucking women came forward

He's not going to be held accountable. They just paid off these women. And now what? Now we're still being run by the same fucking guy, essentially. Right. Like Murdoch let it happen. And now he's like, I got to do something about it because now it's in the media because, you know, he knew.

and so now he's the one that's just kind of manipulated the next guy who's in there is going to be you know it's going to maintain this culture so no yeah I read I wrote something down at some point it said fish rots from the head and they were talking about Bill O'Reilly and another person but the idea that it's not roger ailes and i i went further in my mind it's not roger ailes where the fish rush from that think about it the president right now

We're friends with him. No, I mean, the President of the United States... If you want to think of a literal head of the country, I mean, society, like, I mean, really, the fish rots from the head, and I don't give Trump enough power that he created or is the only arbiter of the country. So we've allowed for that to happen and he's now...

Continuing to perpetuate that. He is a masthead. Is that the right word? Yeah. It's that lighthouse out in an ocean of guys who may or may not try shit like this. Yes. And they see this lighthouse out in the... is just like this guy who's just like, if the president can do it, if anyone can do it. If they're beautiful, I just go ahead and kiss them. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean, that's I'm sorry. That's true. You know, there's those men who are like, oh, I guess that's OK now. And then there are those men who have just been literally conditioned to understand that that's the way that it goes. And he's just.

giving them that reinforcement of like, yeah, it's okay. Grab him by the pussy. You know what I mean? And it's like, but no, no, no, like that. No, like that's not, where did that? No, stop. When I was going on the way over here, I was watching an interview of Megan Kelly after the whole thing had happened.

And she's being interviewed by somebody. Oh, no, it was the other lady. What's her name? Gretchen Carlson. Gretchen Carlson. And she was talking about, she's like, so you brought forth this and going on. And she's talking to the interviewer, and she can recognize. you're gorgeous. I'm looking at you. And she goes, and I'm going to go on a limb and say that you've had this happen too. And she stops for a second and goes, yes. And like she said, she was like, it's, it's more than likely than not.

And she goes, what happened to me was I was out with one of the producers. We were driving to an event and he grabbed my neck and forcibly put my head in his crotch to where I couldn't breathe. And I'm thinking in the driving, I'm like, where the fuck do you ever think like... Yeah, I can do this. I am a guy, yes, but I'm just like, who the fuck is like, yes, I can pull this off. I was like, I know this older woman. She's in her late 60s. She has had systematic.

a harassment by her neighbor her neighbor pulling his penis out and showing it to her she's almost 70 years old this has happened while other people were around only occasionally do other people notice he's had the cops threatened multiple times someone she lives near she's not a bombshell she's not

Someone you would typically think, oh, she's gorgeous. Of course, this has happened to her. And it happens to her when she's going to get her groceries. It happens to her when she's putting her grandson and granddaughter in the car. And you know how she feels about it? He's gone through a hard time. He's gone through a divorce. I don't want to cause trouble. I don't want to call the cops. You want to protect him?

because again is there the sensitive one yeah when you and and you also don't know what's going to happen well like men are okay so that was a generalization but also men are crazy Yes. Because I mean, we've got to walk into our cars with keys in our hands. Right. Like it's it's interesting because you see easy tweets and memes and all this stuff about like men not wanting to be rejected by women. But.

At the same time, the biggest fear of a woman meeting someone from like Tinder or Bumble or whatever is like, oh, I might get murdered tonight. That's a normal thing, right? Whereas on the men's side, it's like, I might be rejected. And there's been violence that has happened after men have been rejected and not even the most, you know.

direct ways you know maybe they're getting ghosted murder you know or stalking or those kinds of things like you see that more with men and the violence that comes the violence from men to women is so much more prevalent. And it's terrifying to think that if I do something, that there will be some type of retaliation.

and on whatever level if i challenge someone if i call someone called the cops on someone if i put a restraining order on someone there's also so many loopholes and gray areas for them still to reach me i know so many women who have been in many of these situations where they're being stalked by someone and then there's physical violence that happens and there is violence that happens after these...

restraining orders oh yeah um so there are ways oh yeah you know this violence against women happens just off of these interactions of like i'm gonna say something yeah yeah so let me just also throw in we was talking about um how often women are you know worried about those hookups and dates the first joke i thought of was a louis ck joke

No, he has a whole thing about how the most dangerous thing that women do is go on dates with men. The irony of it being him is dripping, of course. I mean, it's it was before it was before uh the accusations but that almost i mean i i feel like it almost circles and highlights the the entire problem is that uh he's talking about you know these horrible abusers you know murdering and harming women going on on dates and then he's going in the dressing room and harassing women in much more

subtle way like as a woman it's walking down the street it doesn't have to be at your job like when when i when i was listening to the like and she's like throwing the the fox badge and the and the garbage and she's like so no no other woman i was like well Good luck walking out of that building in that dress.

Cause you know, all it takes is, I mean, I know I've been, I've been catcalled in, uh, lady who did it in New York city and she was catcalled like 27 times. Oh yeah. I've been catcalled and sweats. I've been catcalled. I mean, no, it doesn't fucking matter. You just about 60 years old. It doesn't matter if you're a woman. It comes. I mean, it really comes down to like, you know, the power structure. And I think there is a level of.

As much as I'm like, I don't want Facebook to have my data or whatever. Google having all my data. My location is on motherfuckers. If I ever go missing.

find me you know what i mean like i know that like that is a possibility that is a possibility and you know especially i don't know i was also watching a lot of forensic files at one point so um yeah it's just no but i think that's why women watch a lot by the way i think that's why women watch a lot of that stuff yeah so they can analyze so they can be like i see you coming motherfucker yeah yeah but yeah i mean i think it's it's it's the same thing when it when we talk about

you know, racism. It shouldn't be the job of those being oppressed to teach those who are the oppressors to check themselves. Right. And now we are in a place where people can educate themselves and. you know really understand the power dynamics the power structures how all of that works it comes down to the choice of that individual and

I think a lot of that choice is dependent on how much they benefit from the power structure. Right. Like as a, you know, straight cis white male, your perspective on life is going to be very different than, you know, a. queer woman of color who might not be in the same uh economic the socio-economic class so To say that, you know, we are all, we're working towards equality and all of that. Like, okay, cool. There are advocates across that whole spectrum, but it really takes men to check men.

When we think about like the movement of feminism, right? Like we can say everything that we can, but men aren't going to believe us until they start telling each other like, hey, like. You need to check yourself. You know what I mean? Like they are enablers. We need to rethink about what that means and not just men, but you know, when we think about all of the.

different factors here. To bring it back to film, I really, like, the one thing I really want to get into is the actual film, not... anything to do with the the content material but the execution of the story they're trying to tell the acting the writing uh the direction the score and all that general stuff so i really want to see if anyone had any uh you know i know some of y'all have notes uh the women

because the women do their homework, like Gretchen Carlson. Kiko has no notes. That was a visual median for me, as you said. I always try and take notes in the Alamo, and then I do the little order card, and then I fold it up and throw it away, and then I'm like, damn it. My notes are gone. So now I'm using my notebook. Whatever. I'm a nerd.

Oh, OK. So I guess from the filmmaking aspect of things. Yeah. Like now that you talk about, you know, the filmmakers being or the writer of the big short, I felt like there was there. There were some like big short-esque types of things in this, like in terms of like the pacing. And I mean, I guess it wasn't the same as the big short, but I saw similarities.

I thought that like the choices that they made in terms of whose story it was, was interesting because we start off with, you know, Megyn Kelly and then it's very much focused on.

um Gretchen Gretchen's yeah um and then Megyn Kelly comes back in but then we also have uh Kayla's story who's so yeah yeah who's like a bunch of people so I for me I felt that it was like interesting to jump from women woman to woman um but it was good for me because we it never ever felt that it was like coming from a perspective of roger ales himself or murdoch or whatever you know we saw things happen to them but we never uh really saw it like from their perspective um

You feel like even the one time they went in a little bit more Roger Ailes side of view, it's still told from like Beth, his wife, that Connie Britton played. It was still like... There was always like a female influence. The camera always kind of lingered on her a little longer. Yeah. And who I also thought...

was a really interesting character um but great casting there i mean overall i felt like the casting was great i was i was not expecting to like it as much as i did i'll probably see this again just because of like It's interesting to me. Like the story itself is interesting to me. And I'm also probably going to go in like a black hole of like internet searching for like stories and stuff that they referenced. And because it's so timely too, or I guess so recent in time.

Um, but like, I know that I like lived through those things, but that was like a storyline that wasn't at its forefront for me at the time. So yeah, I mean, I know I, I didn't necessarily answer like, who is this for earlier, but I would definitely challenge. Anyone, whether they are left or right, who is in their 30s or 40s, who have experienced this, and maybe it wasn't the main story of their 2014, 15, 16.

To just go back and really think about how everything that happened in this story kind of impacted the election, what's going on now, the language, the coverage, everything that Fox News is now. because it is our future. You know what I mean? Like it is in our hands to encourage more voting, to vote ourselves, to really think about the way that we are.

you know, demanding our government and our society to be better. Yeah. So I would say that more so age range people to go see that. I don't know if any. older people. I don't know. It's hard for me to tell from that perspective. Anyway, you get it. Yeah, exactly. Just see the fucking movie. If you want to see the movie, if you love Charlize Theron, she's.

Amazing. Theron. Theron? Yeah. Oh, I don't know what it is. I know. Charlize. Can she just be Beyonce? Can we just call her Charlize? Oh, man. Charlize. Wouldn't that be amazing? But I owe it to her to say her name right, though. No, it's fine. Charlize. She is.

She's the greatest living African-American actress we have. That pre-show was hilarious. Yeah, it's all right. You have to look at the funnierdie.com is where it's at. So it's a funnierdie sketch where it's her accepting... a new Oscar well after Monster because it was a second time but she is way funnier than she has any right to be. I have to say, when I saw that, I thought it was good because have you guys seen Longshot?

Is that the one with Seth Rogen? It's the one with Seth Rogen. If you haven't seen it... I'm going to now. You... Let me just say, like, it's not the best movie in the world, but... Her comedic chops are obvious in that film. She can hold her own. Yeah. And, I mean, with Seth Rogen, who is just, you know, of course, just so... Comedic.

perfectly timed I mean he's just he really yeah I mean and has got that timing timing from years of of just a bit and the laugh but being in comedy I mean yeah because you think he's fine maybe she'll have a comedic career and if she does I will still be on board Charlize you are the white actress version of Beyonce for me because I will watch anything that you do don't ever say that Beyonce sucks at acting but Beyonce no no that's why Beyonce is a musician and an artist um

Anyways so yeah Acting was great for me And I yeah like I said I'm definitely going to see this At least one more time Whether or not it's in theaters I don't know But if you get the chance to see it when it's on, I don't know, Netflix or whatever, do that. Because I do think it's important for us to get a better perspective of what's happened.

prior to this current administration and understanding kind of what fox news is as uh you know this kind of media conglomerate um and hopefully that will give people a little bit that will lend itself a little bit to the way that people are kind of brushing up hopefully on their media literacy and understanding what they're consuming in in different ways so yeah bombshell i would definitely recommend

You want to get a four out of five? A one out of three? I don't know. I don't think we do on this. One can make the argument that the objectification scale of one out of ten is problematic. Is it a dime? You know, Trump scales the Fox News. If we're really talking about objectifying women, there's too many white women for me. You guys want to objectify?

skinny women, I need thick women. I'm just kidding. I want to see the all black remake of Bob's show. No, okay. Are you going last? Yeah, I'll go last. So, yeah, no, I'm very on board with Samantha and her and her thoughts and her. I definitely loved it. And if you want to see. all the big award contenders this year go see it because it's good it's it's it's maybe even i i said good because it's it may even be great um

I thought that the plot's well done. The acting's well done. It has all the elements. The only thing that I didn't love was true. True. It's the fact that the assholes didn't get what was coming to them. That was what would have made it perfect. If you would have had that moment where they would have gotten screwed, and they did, sort of. Oh, no. Barely in control of a huge media conglomerate with just millions and millions of dollars in their pocket. Like, seriously. I mean, I really...

I really liked the movie and it made me cry. It did. I, and it made me angry too. Oh, it made me mad because I don't care who you are. You know what? I don't. And I don't care if you are conservative or if you're Republican, if you are liberal and libertarian or anything in between. Seriously, like.

You don't deserve that shit happening to you. That is a power dynamic. I just am angered and... a little bit sickened by it it gets to me and it it really um it breaks down oh you know why there are so many problems between you know, why people separate themselves into these different camps. why so many women are against each other, which was addressed in the film. Like the women being like, oh, well, she slept. Like just the moment that...

Kayla, the fake character played by Margot Robbie, said, oh, so you slept with him. To Megyn Kelly's character played by Charlize, I just was like, oh my gosh, like, because that's the thing. Even though she had been harassed, even though she was in that life, even though she knew in her heart that the only way to get there was that sexual act. And so she assumed that this other stronger woman must have. And she was like, she judged her. She judged her, even though she...

We found out she did it herself. Again, I'm not judging her. That judgment from a woman to a woman in the same position shows. shows that perilous tightrope and i just i you know i i i I think it's great. I think it's right on for Oscar Bate. It may not be the bestest, bestest, bestest, but I think it's going to get a lot of, because it's right down the middle, you know? Not offensive enough either way. It's not too right. It's not too left. It skewers Fox, but it skewers Roger Ailes more. Yeah.

One thing I forgot we haven't talked about at all is John Lithgow's performance. Oh my gosh. I didn't realize there was an actor in there. Oh my God. You know, like he killed it to where I didn't realize. That it was him. Especially under prosthetics because I first saw the trailer. I was like, ooh, this could go really awry. Just from a strictly performance standpoint. Great job male being a creep. He says he loves cleaners.

Very good. Does he? He was like, I love playing people who are just known to be creepy. He's a villain. It was great. He did a great job. I mean, he's not going to be nominated because men being creeps are just, you know, a dime, a dozen. But, you know, at the same time, I still think he did a good job. He did so good. Sam Rockwell and Three Billboards won.

But that wasn't a creep. He was a conflicted racist cop. True. Okay, so it wasn't a full-on, like, he wasn't a full-on Hitler. Like, you know what? Yeah, yeah. And this was also, like, a real guy. I think it, yeah. Hitler was a real guy. No, no, no. Yes. Oh, I see what you were doing. I mean, he was playing his role. Yeah. So shouts to John Lithgow. No, I know. And yeah, I agree. John Lithgow. I was like, I forgot. No, he did. And I don't read.

know all of the politics of every uh actor and actress that was in the film but I think I know at least a handful enough to say that this was this was at least a labor of love to try to shine a light because I know Kate McKinnon is liberal and I and I do know John Lithgow is liberal. And so I.

I know, and Allison Chaney. So yeah, sorry, she did a great job. So yeah, I feel like there was enough people behind this that it was about... that that that literal like let's look at what's wrong not just uh just an accounting of what's happened yeah that was glorifying yeah these people who already have this like

Right. Sorry, Kiko. Go ahead. Kiko. Keep your voice. John Lithgow, I was looking forward to seeing. He is easily, hands down, my most favorite actor. Really? Because he can do comedy, drama. He can be a villain. obviously but when he does villain uh and it's just even from third rock from the sun to

This is just everything he does. I believe him in and I love it and it's amazing. And so they all played really well and even with his prosthetics and everybody had prosthetics, you know, even Megan Kelly did to Janine Shapiro, which was a great lady who got to play her. I think the best. thing about this which was the funnier parts which is not supposed to be a comedy was the cameos of the people who they got to play

the certain roles to play like Carlson, Deraldo Rivera. Dude, that was just so great. I'm like, oh my God, you guys are fucking hilarious for doing this. But they just did a really good job. Like she hit Megyn Kelly's cadences so well. And she had talked about that in the interview. and I did it and then whenever Gretchen I was listening to her and Nicole Kidman got her

Diction, right? Yeah. Because she does do really good diction and also comes from her doing the Miss America pageant. And then Roger Ailes, he's actually very reclusive, so we actually don't have too much on him, so he kind of made things that he wanted to be. So I thought... All the acting and everything was there. I thought it was a great line. They skated between drama slash a little bit of humor kind of thing.

The only person who would ever see this as a whore is a rich white man. He's like, oh no, somebody got his company taken away. Oh no, it's a hard time to be male. Yeah, but other than that, I mean, it was a tough story. For them to tell it this way was pretty nice. And just to see everything. I mean, if you think about how much it weighed them down to think as a woman, he said, it's a visual median. So one, they had to do this for this guy.

And be hot for him so they could get this role. And then they get a role on TV. And then they have to stay hot because there's guys watching them on TV because they're hot. And then they have to compete against, of course, the three blondes that go into the office going to see Roger knowing somebody's taking my job. I have to compete everywhere. No wonder why they're all combating each other. And it was just like, keep the power. Like, I don't have that much pressure on me ever.

Like to imagine that much on any woman, even given time, especially if you're at work dealing with that. You dealt with that from the CEO to your co-host.

to the people other women objectifying you because they want your job and then you go outside and then you get catcalled again how are there not mass shootings with all of you like and then you get home and you get online and you have a dick pic yeah and then you have a dick pic unsolicited at every corner yeah there's no solicitation that's what consent is talking about but great movie overall I probably will see it again and I just

I said it was very good and entertaining. I really love Sharice's performance. She was just stellar. That was the only one I lost myself in. She's definitely nominated, right? If she doesn't win. She right now, Margot Robbie, at least at the Golden Globes, Oscars I haven't done yet. Margot Robbie's nominated for Best Supporting Actress, which I feel is kind of a two-hander with this in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

because she's had a pretty good year. But Charlize Theron is nominated for lead actress as of now at the Golden Globes, which is the strong push that I think they'll make at the Oscars. Her over Nicole Kidman, who was also good, but it didn't quite...

reach the peaks like just i mean just where the focus stood of the film it was charlize's film did you well yeah it was charlize's that oh well she she also did she also produce yeah i mean but and and question did you see a loudest voice in the room No. Okay. And now Nicole Kidman and her friend, Naomi Watts. So Naomi Watts, who's friends with Nicole Kidman.

They're both Australian, I believe. And they both play the role of aggression. And I really think Naomi Watts gets a lot more. She gets so much screen time. I mean, it's really... a lot of her, but I really, really liked her.

performance that's also a really big fucking deal that this happened like i did sure this was like based on a true story or whatever but like this is probably one of the biggest stories of the past couple of years that he was pushed out because of you know these accusations and everything that came to light and like for so long these people are protected you know the fact that like Weinstein was able to keep it

under wraps for so long and chalk it up to cost of business. Like people are being fucking held accountable. Stop being creeps out there and speak the fuck up. Yeah. I think the most hard-hitting for me, especially talking about that, how many were when she was in the deposition. Oh, yeah. And then she was like, wait, am I W? She's like, why are you laughing? He's like, because there's 23 letters in the alphabet. Does this mean there's more?

Yeah. And they won't talk to her. She's like, holy shit. I would expect to have been A. She's like, wow, I'm like W. Okay. That was like hard hitting for me. I really liked that part. That meant a lot. And that...

It was a small justice. Because shortly after that, we'd see the end of the film and the final scrawl, the superimposed... uh info saying like well a 50 million got paid out by fox news to the women and 65 million in severance was paid out to just bill o'reilly and roger ales the two men

uh cumulatively over all the women were paid significantly less than just the two guys themselves so i mean that's that's the harsh reality of this film saying like at the end of the day it's not the good guys won at the end of the day it was

This is still a battle we're fighting. And this was a... step forward yeah definitely yeah but at the end of the day this is not a fight that is murdoch's move was basically like y'all gave us heat and we have the money to cover it so here you go you know like that's what it was like you're making it hot for us right

now but we can pay all off so we're gonna do that I'm still gonna run my Fox News the way I need to I'm gonna get what I need to get he's making so much fucking money off Fox News and Trump like even in the payoff they got paid more as men bitch So such a satisfying end, Beau. Everyone sigh. Final thoughts? See it if you need to learn more.

Read about it either way. Yes. Hug your mother, hug your daughter, hug your sister. And any other woman because. With consent. And also. With consent. Check your boy, man friends. Check them all. As a man. Check your women. Check each other. Check everybody. Everybody's doing all right. Can we do better? Or can we do better? We can all do better. Or as a man, check your past. Just sit down and do some meditation on things. Inventory. Work. Work.

through like things you didn't think were microaggressions and realize like oh from someone else's point of view I realize how that's a problem even if I didn't mean it to be because subconsciously I was doing something So, yeah, I mean, this is a film that helps you reflect. I think a lot of things over the last couple of years help you reflect. It's just whether or not you're willing to take that in. And we desperately need people to take that in and internalize that and then work towards.

the ultimate cause of what we're fighting for right now. So hopefully this is just one more cog in that machine that's moving the correct direction. We hope. Yeah. As critics on tap, that was Bombshell, not Atomic Blombshell 2 or whatever Kiko thought it was. But still a shit ton of white women with blonde hair. As always, review responses. Good night. Bye.