You're listening to the back home network presented by home field apparel, welcome back to Crimson, Cask ale and clavius got Caulfield back with you. Once again here on the 9th of October Indiana, 3 and 3 in the conference losses at home. Last so I guess it was yesterday day to the Michigan Wolverines, we're going to talk about that. We might get a little Hoosier hysteria talking as well at the tail end because one of us attended, not Scott, but one of us attended.
So we'll chat about all that but Scott, first of all good to see you. How you doing? Good to see you too man. Doing great doing great. Awesome. You know you hate the fall and you know you're a big Gator that but yesterday like that was such perfect fall football. Rather like how can you leave a day like yesterday and be like, I don't, I don't like this.
Well, I lie. I mean, honestly you're right, the weather was nice but I would have the weather would have been nice if it had been 15 degrees warmer too, you know. So look, I don't have any complaints about the weather. Yesterday, I even even in the morning, like, I got up at six, I got up at 5:45 a.m. so that I could pack the truck and drive to Oriole Stadium at 650, which is when I got there. So it was dark. You know, my oldest kid was with me. She was cold.
I was cold. It wasn't like freezing. I mean, it was close. I think the temperature was like, 36. We were lucky because it wasn't windy, which it normally is, or at least somewhat Breezy. And when without the wind, honestly, the morning ended up being very nice, it was kind of Hoodie, whether I started with a knit cap and then transitioned over to To a ball cap and it was. Everything was fine.
I didn't really have any complaints except for maybe the first 20 or 30 minutes but it's also not my favorite, whether it's fine. I mean it wasn't offensive so I just it doesn't I don't I will not look back and say gosh remember that October day that I was at an IU football game and
the weather was amazing. It's probably going to be something that gets out of my head relatively quickly, but for those of you who that provides a vitality and a reaffirmation ocean of Your Love of life and you know, whatever that great, I think that's awesome. I wish you folks the absolute best in feeling that way. It was one of the, you folks in the Galen Universe. I accept that and I enjoy the weather. Yesterday was cold in the morning? No doubt about that, but now,
but it was a good day. Overall, in terms of the homecoming festivities, were fun, and the crowd, it wasn't a full Stadium, but there was a nice tailgate seen out there. We had a really Nice tailgate seen. We'll talk about that a little bit later before we get to all that. I did want to mention that we are part of the back home network and back home. Network spot, served by home-field apparel your place to go for lovely, Collegiate apparel.
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train. If you haven't already check out home field apparel.com use the code home. Get 15% off your first order again that's home-field apparel.com. Okay, Scott so let's talk about the game and you know this was a game obviously that I you was not expected to win. Talked about it a little bit in our preview or excuse me, our recap podcast. Last week, we also talked about it on this podcast in the preview and there's really kind of two things you can take away.
I think from this game overall at least from my perspective, one is I think you have to tip your cap to Tom Allen and the defensive coaching staff for how up that team was to play in the first half. Especially and really I think even In into the third quarter, you know you're missing cam Jones there was that was a surprise.
You know, I'd heard some Rumblings about that the night before and I was like well gosh that's going to be a real problem if he can't play and sure enough he was unable to play but you know I really thought overall the defense did a really nice job stymieing Michigan. They Michigan really looked like they were struggling to figure out how to unlock Indiana's defense, the secondary I thought played really well had some key pass breakups.
You know, tackling I thought was pretty good overall and it's a shame that no one's going to remember that down the line. I mean, that would it ended up being kind of a wasted effort which essentially kind of bleeds into the second thing I want to talk about which is just, it's not, it can't be this difficult to score points and, and move the football, I, you actually looked kind of decent on offense for the first half, not great. But hey, you'll take ten ten at home.
Against a top five team pretty much any day of the week. And I thought that in the first half, it felt like I, you had made a lot of adjustments, and it was doing some different sorts of things and gave. A lot of people, myself included, some optimism that I, you might be able to continue that in the second half. And instead, the exact opposite happened, I use offense ground to a complete halt.
Their defense could no longer hold black hold back the the tidal wave of what Michigan was trying to do and it ended up being a 21-point loss for this team. I mean, it's kind of a mixed bag. Scott, how did you come out of the game in terms of like how you felt about the effort and how you felt about the way Indiana approach things? It's funny. We went out with some friends last night and I was telling me overall, it was a great game experience like the weather was
awesome. We had a, we had a very smaller much smaller tail. Get I wanted to get over two years. The pancake Taco idea, sounded awesome, our mutual friend, Matt came over and was telling me about it was like, ah, no, we just had to do nothing coffee but it was, it was a fun atmosphere, like I'm throwing the football with my boys. We're having a blast, the weather's great. They have a good time at the
game. They're watching most of the And I'm telling you all my friends this like, you know, it was a really fun day and he's like, yeah, your team sucks. Like what do you when you come back and talk about the weather and everything but the game is that gets and you said you had a good day or team sucks us. Think about this morning is like
that is true. It's like I don't I rarely go to IU basketball games at come back and back in the atmosphere was awesome like oh we lost by 30 but not mean that the atmosphere was was just fantastic but the fans were into it. I'm like you the effort was really good and there is a small glimmer there. We were kind of on Twitter and some other friends texting it's like art which which version of the Michigan losses is going to be like, how are we going to get
our hearts ripped out? And there was a moment there in the start of the third quarter where I'm like something feels slightly different. Like the effort has not given up on defense, you know, we're it felt different and then it and then it did and then it all kind of went away. The two things that I look at it from this game.
Are you know one it's actually not going to be what you think I'm gonna Go to, but there was that play with the super the we had the touchdown, the super late you know, past it offensive pass interference penalty. I don't want to dig into that because one play does not a game make but I look at this is very Indiana. What happens after that? So its first and 25, you know, we're uh we're sorry, we're down 6:50 first and 25 on the Michigan. 25, we have a pass
incomplete. A pass, broken up, but then we do a shot. Ivers. Run up the middle for two yards and then kick a field goal and it's like okay the Shrivers run up the middle like yes I know there's a 1% chance that breaks for a touchdown. There's also a chance. What happens again? Cincinnati where it gets punched out. We fumble in the Red Zone like but it's like so you're basically you're in the you're in the 25-year not like in the Red Zone, but you're in scoring position.
You're trying to beat a top four team and you're just doing it into Downs. Like, your basic is giving up a down and I With the answer is because I don't know what plays are going to run on offense and I'm not here to tell you what to run but it's like I know that a handoff up the middle like you're just you're basically resigning yourself to a field goal and I don't think you can do that and then in the second half as you mentioned the defense held tight but you got
to a point I was telling us to friends. I was sitting with like you know, Bay's lack was put in this position where it's like he had no time to throw. I don't feel bad for him at all. And he what he was doing is he had to choose between a couple of bad options.
It's like, our he's got to just either, you know, try and hold the ball and wait for someone to get open and get sacked or he's got to throw the ball away intentionally early, which he was doing a lot, but it's like you do that enough and you just go three and out. And I was telling people like this is going to lead to at some point. He's going to just try and shove the ball somewhere.
It shouldn't go and it's going to be a Pick 6 and I'm like it's not going to be his fault because at some point like if your base, like, I'm tired of throwing the ball to the end. Sideline, he didn't end up throwing the pick-6 but to your point of it can't be this hard since the last two drives against Cincinnati. In the second half we have had a total of 15 drives in a second half of a college football game in. Any of those. We've yet to have more than a 10-play drive.
And here are the results of those drives. Turnover on Downs. Turnover on Downs, interception, go into the Nebraska game, interception punt, punt punt punt, punt over on downs. And then in Michigan punt, punt, punt, punt. Punt over on downs. And you, you can't do that. It does also beg the question of like, we need to start talking now that we're into the kind of competition. We're going to have the rest of the year, you know, what are the halftime adjustments were
making? Because it looks like our offense is completely DOA in the second half and you just you can't have this and Frustrating. Because Yeah, I don't go into this game thinking, we're going to be Michigan, but as we have said, numerous times on this podcast, there was a win there, like there was a possible win there. It wasn't as bad as a 21-point loss as it felt when you were there. There was a wind to be at least contended for and our offense looked completely unable and it
goes all end with this. It goes back to me, it always goes back to the offensive line. Like that was the problem. It's gotten a ton of press. Everyone's tweeting about it. Something that I feel like you and I have been talking about for a while. I had the podcast with punch, John punch to start the year, something you and Taylor Layman talked about and you know, you hear Tom Allen on the postgame.
It's like we know it's problems going to be addressed like, all right, well nothing's going to happen but it does. I was also kind of like the flip side is if something happens like, all right. So if they fire Hiller, it is kind of funny. It's like, if you thought of like, if you looked at like, you know, Nebraska and basketball when they're just like, you know, Five and Twenty Three and they're like, hey, we're firing our third assistant.
You be like, okay, well that's not solving anything. So there is a there is a thing to where it's like, you know, if we just like, let's just say, you remove Hiller and put a new coach in. It's like, I don't think that a team that has won five games and two and a half years. Like, suddenly our third assistant is just like that's going to unlock everything. So well, I'm always I'm definitely on the train of like we need help at offensive line.
It does it kind of becomes this weird little point where I'm even going to go against myself, like I'm not sure that just solves Also, suddenly were top five team but anyway, those are very a ton of high-level thoughts as I left the game yesterday. Yeah, I mean it's interesting that we saw and it was it's five games in one and a half years, not two and a half just to clarify. No, it's just because I knew someone would listen to that and
be like, hey, wait a minute. But I do think that I do somebody would listen. That's absolutely. Yes, look, there's no question that the The offensive line continues to be the main problem with this offense and ultimately with this team because you know Connor basil like yesterday in the college game, they count sacks as - rushing yards against the quarterback and basil act ended up with seven carries for
- 61 yards. And you know, it's there was a couple of moments in the second half where you could literally see. Counter basil, act not looking downfield, and winging the ball downfield because he was already trying to brace for the inevitable impact of the very heavy Michigan Defender that was about to smash into his body. After yet, another blown pass protection, they can't run the
ball period. You know, they had one nice run or maybe to nice runs total out of jail and Lucas, it was nice to you got for He's this time, which, I mean that's, that's big news and three catches so they did get the ball to him a bit more. But the problem is, there's nothing consistent. They ended up averaging eight tenths of a yard per carry. When you add the sack totals in, they had 25 carries for positive 19 yards.
When you take that yardage away you just you can't live like that as a football team and so going back to the offensive line and the Situation. It's interesting to me that you here. Alan. If you watched Allen long enough in these press conferences, you start to notice these changes in tone and this happened towards the tail end of the year last year with Nick Sheridan.
If you'll recall where you know, Allen's being supported in the press conferences, he's talking about Well everybody's got to execute and then there was like a moment, it was right around the Minnesota game last year where your Alan had that press conference. Where, you know, he just starts kind of tearing into this, you know, like what kinds of throws are Being made and, you know what play calls are being done. And at that point, you kind of knew, all right?
That's probably it for Nick Sheridan. And it felt that way with the way that he talked yesterday about the offensive line. So maybe a change gets made, but as Dustin to appear act I think it was pointed out in his column in the star today. It's that mean that's a complicated thing to do. Do you have somebody else in the building? That is capable of coaching
offensive lineman? Yes you could make the Argument that you could hire anybody into that role and perhaps they would do better than what is currently going on, on the field. But that that leaves a lot of logistical stuff out it leaves. A lot of day-to-day stuff out. And as somebody who's you and I both been on this, but it's like and, you know, coaching football
his heart. I'm not saying that we know better, but it's like in the end you screwed up and like the the decision should have been made last offseason. Look at this point. Yeah, we need, we need help at offensive line. I'm but I think, you know, I look at it as like, it's were already locked in for this year. Again, if you fire him, whoever you bring it. It's like it's going to be completely just triage. You can't make an offensive line, you know, total shift
change in four days. Before you play, Marilyn a game, you have to win. It's like you to me. It's like, I think people who look at it as like we got to make a change now, it's like they're missing the point where it's like, this is all that we, you know, Alan or whomever screwed up in the offseason like the chain should. Made your cards are dealt, like this is wet.
Some this is not wet cement. This is hard cement like this is what the offensive line is going to be the rest of the year, even if you hire a way Alabama's offensive line coach and bring them here. I don't think the changes can be made, like I said, in three days for you get to Maryland. So like that's where I get frustrated is like all of this talk not at you because all this talk it's like doesn't make any
difference like. Yeah, the point is you need to go back in time and like like that's where I do Wonder like does does Alan like take a moment and a With and is not so reactionary. And just like says, like, yeah, I really screwed that up. And I need to look at, you know, this offseason not making the same, you know, sins that I made the last 12 Seasons because it's like we're stuck with this for the rest of this season. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean, look, I think from an
accountability perspective. Yes, you need to make a change like that the, the offensive line. And it's not a, you know, I don't even think it's an effort thing. I just think it's a skill and development and skiing thing. I'm sure the guys are Trying their best but they are in many cases, they are, they're not capable Big, Ten level offensive, linemen or and or they are playing in a system that is unable to pass block or
unblock consistently. And it essentially like, you know, Zack austrians piece in the star today is really good because it touches on a bunch of this. And, you know, he brings up that old, Kevin Wilson quote about, you know whatever you whatever you want to call your. Offense, you're not going to have an offense, if you can't block for it. And ultimately, there's there's just too many holes in what's going on?
And there's too many gaps in in protection and coverage and everything and that is you know, you should have a change from an accountability perspective just like there should have been a change at the offensive coordinator position last year because that offense was was horrible and that was more of a systematic thing. But the problem is more fundamental, it's not just changing.
The coach is going to fix it all of a sudden and I, this was, I think it was Dustin. Mentioned this in his piece, like you're talking about, you know, like a multi A rebuild of the offensive line. Now you're basically starting from scratch with what looks and I haven't looked at every single lines numbers in the Big Ten, but this looks like the worst offensive line in the conference. It might be the worst offensive line of a power five school
right now. It's it's, you know, I mean you may be Colorado's got a worst one, there might be one or two other teams but your I mean when you're in that company, that's a real problem. And I think this is been a weird aspect of the Tom Allen era. Is that he's not necessarily acted proactively about problems. That seem pretty clear and obvious, you know, not just to people like you and me who aren't experts per se.
But just looking at numbers and statistics and and looking at how you rank against all of the competition that you're playing, we saw that with the first two years of offense, with IU under Mike deboard. Where, you know, it was clear that there was a real problem. And that, you know, that's got one of those situations. It's one of those situations where we create a problem that then gets kind of randomly fixed with this hiring of a new offensive coordinator.
It looks good for a season and a half, is a little bit of carry over there. I don't know, it's really fascinating because I, I don't know that Alan has demonstrated yet that he's able to make consistently good. Proactive, decisions about The composition of the coaching staff and the way that the team has put together and it's, I'm not trying to be overly critical. I'm just saying, like, you know, you look at this, all of this that we're seeing right now, was pretty predictable.
And the idea that he had all of these meetings, with all of these, all the players, and all the coaches and decided, like actively decided, we're going to go back to war with this particular setup. That didn't work well last year, because I believe it's going to improve. I mean, that was a real leap of faith. That was a Gamble by Allen and it clearly hasn't worked out.
And that's so now it's like, I don't know what the answer is Scott because there's there's really not much fixing of an offensive line in the middle of the season. And at this point, it's hard like I think you look at the schedule that Indiana's got and you look at the inability to just score points and it really does make me concerned about the way the rest of the season goes. And I don't know what you do.
Like you're you're really your Verging into some dangerous territory there because last year, the big story about this team that we were told this offseason was a bunch of guys, lost faith on the roster and that led to a bunch of transfers
at the end of the season. I mean, how do you keep Faith as I you football, when you give a really good effort in the first half against the top five team and then you just drifts away because you're incapable of executing in the second half and the end up losing by 21 that patterns more likely to Continue the not. So yeah it's a big mess at this point Scott and it's a real shame. It was it was certainly not anything. Anybody wanted to have happen and you just wish that.
Like you said, some different decisions had been made because this was not unpredictable as, you know, as we as we thought about things in the offseason. Well, it's you know, Alan has said himself, he doesn't, he doesn't get involved in the offense, he, you know, can't, you know, doesn't I don't think doesn't know, but like he, he definitely defers a lot to the offense of Coordinator on the offensive side of the ball and this, it feels like when he starts getting asked these
questions. You'll very pointedly about the offensive lines and all right, fine, I'll step in and deal. He's just, you know, completely hands-off for the offense. And it's the two things I will say is it's it's tough because I hate to keep coming back to like it. It's just ceases up the entire team, like the metrics of yesterday's game may not be great with the way that Michigan ended with the point total in the yardage, but you were there. I mean you were there. I was there, did he?
Play great like they were playing tough. They were, they were all over the place but it's like it's when the offensive when the offense comes out and goes 3 and out in, you know, less than a minute and put the defense back on your, you're like Allen's hurting his own defense. Like the it's just it's it's affecting everything in the team and then where I get frustrated, this is something that's honestly predates, Allen is always frustrated me with IU.
Football is again I go back to that those, you know, you had three plays to score to try and score a touchdown to pass. Passes and then just you know, a little handoff inside and the line that keeps going to my head and I thought this is the entire second half is like IU football, doesn't have the luxury of being
conservative. Like you just don't get to just we're going to keep trying to throw with Bayes lack, it's like alright, let's try more Crossing routes or like, are we got at least do a run up the middle to keep him honest. Like it's not working like none of this is working and there does come a point and I'm again I cannot stress this enough. Like I don't think any of these problems are based lacks issues.
I'm not sure I can. Evaluate based like a quarterback at this point, not in a bad way.
I just I've not seen him really have time without being under duress to be a quarterback, but so I'm not at all saying you need to replace it. But I do think at some points, like, could we maybe put somebody else under Center, just who can run like maybe have a direct snap to jail and Lucas like, and I'm not saying you go wild, but at some point, it's like, guess what US just throwing twice and running once as an offense is not working. Like we have two and a half
game. This is not Working. I don't want to go down like this, like, at least let's fight. And that well for three weeks. Here's his here's the thing is what I do. It's just we can't keep doing it but that we did this last year and remember like the the passing game wasn't working and and Tuttle ended up getting injured and they put McCully out there who could run and the offense was even less functional than it. Had been with Tuttle in there, I
get what you're saying. But look, having somebody who can run is not. In to fix the lack of blocking. It's just give you need blockers for that person to be able to run. I mean, Michigan was absolutely upending Indiana's line with four man Rush has yesterday. I mean, it's not like, I just, I think to some degree. People forget how much blocking is required to effectively, run a bootleg, how much but blockings effectively required
to run an option. It's not just as simple as saying that's roll the quarterback out of the pocket. And so So I you know the other issue and this was something that I think was partially due to Michigan just being a good defensive team but was also due to the lack of real Playmakers. Save one in the IU, receiving Corps is that it takes our receivers too long to get open and they're running routes.
That are largely, I think too deep based on what the protection will actually allow Connor basil act to throw, you know. So you know by the time Get to 3 or 4 seconds, and the receivers are finally getting into a spot where you might want to throw them the ball, they're either not open because they're not capable of getting open or basil. Acts protection has already broken down and now he finds himself having to either eat it or throw the ball out of bounds or throw an inaccurate pass.
I'm with you in that it's hard to judge. Connor basil act as a player right now. You know, I think if you look at his overall grades, when he's not pressured, He's been all right you know I mean you look at what he's done over over the course of the season and he's gotten he was pretty good in the Illinois game and then he hasn't really been great since then. But what's fascinating to me is your he got essentially kind of recruited over or whatever you
got replaced. Essentially at Mizzou, he was a much better better quarterback last year by the numbers than he has been this year. I don't think that's because Connor Bane's like got significantly. Worse. I just think it's because he's playing behind the significantly worse. Offensive line and I get what you're saying, but I you can't
block to run with running backs. Why would they suddenly be able to block to run with a quarterback like I mean that that might work for a couple of plays and then that person might end up getting maimed because as we've seen now I you tries something, it works for a player to and then the other team adjusts and that's it, that, that trick is over at that point. Yeah, I think that's it's it's a fair point. I just at a high level.
It's just frustrating seeing us trying to kind of play a conventional game and just getting ground down. Like, you know, I'm not even saying put a runner back there. I'm just like, you know, this was something but who come on, but who. But who would you put out there? You know, I don't know what I'm saying is like, this is where I feel like I'm on an island but there is, there is glimpses of
this. And the bill in share were built Lynch would just run weird sets, or he'd have liked Run it wide receiver scatter in the side or just like, so I'm not even saying you do that and it's like, it seems like we need more
unconventional play colleague. We just, we need something, I don't know what it is, but I definitely know that I'm not seeing it on the field because as you said, it got to a point in the second half where it's like Michigan's, all right, we're just gonna, you know, our front line is going to be able to put pressure and then we'll just use every third player s play. We'll just Blitz one more, dude. It's like he's gonna get straight to the base.
Like, it, it, it's anyway. I don't No, I don't know. The answer is but it's tough because it is such a problem and I don't see it solving anything. But again the I think the thing that should be concerning for everybody is all of these problems really really all show up after halftime. So is it just are we getting that much tired? Is it Michigan's T meal? I can understand the idea. Alright Michigan's got a better backup system than we do, you
know overall better team. It's like I guess anything about Nebraska like same thing about Cincinnati like we've You know, Michigan's an elite team Nebraska's a mess team Cincinnati's, a middle-level TV, kind of have all levels there and you're seeing the same thing over and over again. Is that we come out of halftime and it's like the other team has figured some stuff out or they're just pushing harder and then we completely seized up on offense in the second half.
And that's that's very concerning because last I checked I think all the rest of our games are scheduled for four quarters. I don't think we're playing any games at halftime and so You know, this does also beg the question, what, what are other teams seeing that they're adjusting to? And what are we not seeing and not adjusting to? Yeah, well, I mean, I don't even
know if it's adjustments. I just think I, you goes into every game with a limited amount of things that they can do effectively and when they burn through those, and when the opponent sees all of them, that's kind of it, you know. And then it's a matter of can the opponent make enough plays and this is essentially what happened to the Nebraska game. The opponent make enough plays to get far enough ahead that Indiana is just not able to execute.
I mean, the negative yardage in the fourth quarters of these last couple of games has really been out of. I mean, it breaks your brain to think about and, you know, there's not a lot you can do about it right now as a fan because there doesn't seem to be a lot that the team can do about it either. They just have a limited reservoir of ideas and a limited Reservoir people who can execute the ideas and that's That's unfortunate and it's kind of the
worst case scenario. And you know, to some degree. It's like you're really have to be thankful that Indiana got Illinois and week one because I think it allowed them to pull enough things out of the bag that they were no, no, I didn't know how to adjust there. Wasn't any film on what Indiana was doing on the offensive line with the passing game. I think if you play Illinois, now I think Indiana loses that
game. Pretty handily both because Illinois has really put together a really Season already, they're probably going to be ranked today, but also, because I think Indiana was found out very quickly, and it's a slightly better offense than last year. I mean, this year's offense is not in danger of scoring in double digits for the entire conference season. I think they're already up to, like, 54, 56 points, and they've got six games left to play. So it is an improvement over last year.
I just what I when I watch this team and they were trying different things, you know, they had a lot of sets against Michigan. Where they had everybody basically within the boxes. You know, they were bringing the wide receivers in they were trying to disguise their
movements. They were, you know, they had a lot of good stuff where they were throwing to the right side short and then allowing people to block in front including that touchdown that got called back at you know, towards the end of the first half but you can only do that for so long like other teams are going to look at that. And they're going to say, oh if we stop this they don't really have a plan B and that's just How it is at this point? I mean, your I think this IU
team could win another game. Maybe two, but probably only one because they're you know there might be a team or two on the schedule that has enough problems of their own that they can't capitalize and it's to me it's the biggest Shame about this is if they'd gotten this defensive effort last week I think they would have probably beaten Nebraska you know, because they maybe don't give up the early touchdown and maybe they don't give up one of the late touchdowns but then when I
think that I'm like that would still have required them to move the ball and get into a position to score and that's where to me. The biggest obstacles are at this point and I don't know, I don't know if they're fixable and that's, it's a shame. It really is when you hit something on the pregame that I thought was a really, really good point that, you know, I also don't want to hear anything else.
The rest of this year, I started hearing a little bit in the postgame of Michigan, that, you know, listening to Fisher on the drive. Home talking about, you know, a lot of injuries and was tough when you have this many injuries. It's like listen like that. That's part of it. But you brought up the point that this team is already, had a lot of good luck like this team. Could honestly be one in five right now.
The Illinois and Western Kentucky games were both kind of good luck games like those were 50/50 games that we already won. So you kind of can't use the man just you know, Bad season like snake B. Like no we're not snake bit like we've already had a lot of good luck this year if we could get some bad luck or some injury, Problems that kind of puts us an even. And so I think that's a very valid point but I also it's like this is as you know, high-level
a lot of questions. You know, talking people yesterday kind of stay the program. Where are me? You know, it's tough a lot of those, you know. Hey, it's just tough. You a lot of guys are out and came Jones, what you gonna do? It's like it's tougher and tougher to do those to talk about those things when you're coming off of a 2 and 10 season, like that is what the last year does is. There's just there's so much less room for very variance and
it's also like at some point. If you can't keep like I at some point this work. I'm getting unhealthy. Everything. I just don't care. I can't go two and ten three and nine every single year. And even if excuses are 100% valid, it's like I just get tired of hearing it. I think that's where we're set. Sadly veering into. And you know, the really scary thing that you also alluded to is, I don't know. There's a, there's not a fix this year for the offensive
line. But even as you know, like we said, if they make a change to the offseason, it's not sudden like all right. Well, you know, I think. I'm gonna definitely, you know, you know, challenge, Ohio State. It's like that. That solves a, you know, we have a boat with like 17 holes. It's just like we're trying to fix the one biggest hole but offensive and takes like he said, 23 years to fix. We are at rock bottom.
And so I even if you make a wholesale change at offensive line even if you know bring in a whole new transfer portal class in the new coach I think is probably going to be a couple more years for the offensive line is functional mid-level, Big 10. So it's like what is our long-term goal here? This is what rat like it. It's very, it's a frightening proposition. And again, I was going into this game expecting to lose, but it's just seeing complete ineptitude in the offense in the second
half, that's just tough. Not knowing what the solutions are feeling. Like I'm not sure that our coaching staff knows what the solutions are because I'm not sure there are solutions. Yeah, it's I don't know, I thought about that a little bit after the game. It's like what I felt better if they had just lost if they'd been Then give they'd gone down Thirty one to ten and its core or 31 to nothing and it's scored 10 points towards the end.
Would that have been? Yeah, a more optimistic feeling.
Look, I don't come out of this game like Angry at the team because I, you know, they weren't going to win and I talked about that in the, in the pregame a Michigan's, a really good team and Indiana, isn't, you know, I think where it's frustrating though, is just watching how not prepped permit, Preps, The wrong word I think but how how far away Indiana is from being able to play competitively for 60 Minutes against a team like Michigan. Because as we've talked about
many times you take away 2020 the covid year and I you you know, essentially goes through another season where they're not able to pull off a victory against a top-level team in the
conference. And that really does get frustrating after a while because we've seen in other programs be able to do it. And I think what makes it more the most frustrating about this program is that it felt like they had gotten closer to that level where they could be a dangerous team that could pull off an upset. And there was nothing in this game that said, you know, that it was going to be an impossibility.
If I you pulls it together and plays really well but you just had this sensation in the back of your head or at least I did that. I you at some point was going to pull the rug out from underneath themselves by not doing Some of the fundamental things that needed to be done and that really is unfortunate, you know? So look, I when I look at this game, I think that the effort was really good and yet, I don't know how much of that effort and that up for the game.
This mentality wise that we saw out of this team in the first half is going to be rough located in, you know, next week's game when they're playing Maryland.
That's not you know I mean Maryland they're not going to be ranked and you know, I Just don't think you'll see the guys up mentally and emotionally at the same level to play Maryland that they were to play Michigan. And that's kind of the kiss of death because, you know, you look at the slow starts that have been deviled this team since the start of the season and then you look at the Michigan game and you're like, wow it would have been nice to have that kind of on the ball in
this right from the start, in a couple of these other games including the Nebraska game, maybe that ends up changing things up. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. You know this IU team continues to struggle. In the on the offensive side and I just don't know that there's a lot of fixes for that you know, it's easy to say well why doesn't Walt Bell dial-up display or that play? And I just don't know that it
matters if you can't. If you can't block, I don't know what you could dial something up, it will get diagnosed and addressed by the opposing team's defense, and then you're basically back to square one and it's fair to. It does feel like a weird, you know, medieval torture device that this team starts for the most part slow, even against Michigan. We still did not have Heavily. I'm not sure. We've had a lead to start the
game, any game this year? I think we've been down every single game, so you already have a, you know, you're getting pushed on one end and now, it's like after halftime. I'm not sure if we can expect more than three points, so it's like, you're getting squeezed to this like, we gotta win the game from the middle of the first quarter till halftime. If you have a 13 and a half minute window that it feels like we have to win the game, it's tough.
Do you mind if I talk larger scale but a couple other random things. Yeah. Go ahead, please. I know this. With comes up, but we were both kind of joking on Twitter about this a little bit. I love my side. Modify, you fans like there were, there were Michigan fan sprinkled, and it's to be expected, you know? Students, this is a great showing. They not only showed up, they stayed through halftime, which you I haven't seen in. I can't remember the last game.
I saw students. Stick through that with that many people staying through. That's great, The Faculty side, the other side. Side of the stadium that I stare at was like, 95% Michigan. So a lot of those people. So their tickets but this is where you don't hear it as much. So it's a bit of kind of a, you know, straw man argument I'm making here but just the idea of like 0iu fans, you know, like you once hysteria stars, all they care about is basketball.
It's like I'm tired of that. Like fans showed up students showed up, like people were there, there's support for this team and yeah, it's going to Wayne because at some point, people just find better stuff to do the weather gets funky and it's like, I'm just I'm tired of watching the same thing but You know, coming off of a tune 10 year and a team that had lost two in a row, playing a Michigan team that you know, you're a 22 Point Underdog for that was a great crowd.
Like that was a great, great crowd. And so I just, I want like five years reprieve from hearing about fans support and it's like, it's got to be the team. The question I have for you is we park in lot 9, we were not able to make it around to the South End Zone. I'm just curious about. If you made it over to game day,
I know you were there. Little bit on Friday, some of the work you already do. Like, I'm just curious any thoughts on the, the big college, you know, Gameday, Fox set up that they had and anything you heard from that or just for people who weren't there, just share what it was now. I mean, I mean, the setup was nice. I didn't, I briefly kind of was able to poke my head over there. It was, it was a good setup
overall. I just it's tough because IU is not used to hosting those sorts of things, I think. And so, you know, I had heard that it was To get the crowd, fired up to some degree but that's, you know, this. It's just I think there's an awkwardness to some degree with,
you know, trying to get. I you fans to especially younger fans to get like really fired up in public about IU football because it's, I mean there just hasn't been a whole lot to grab onto in terms of success the last year and a half. You know, I wish that we'd had that, like, at the very beginning of last year. I think that it would have been pretty impressive and you would add a lot more people out there.
But the Set itself was kind of a cool little thing that a couple of different stages kind of between two control boxes, one of the which was elevated. So know I look I thought overall I would hope that they come back. It'll probably only be for when Michigan or Ohio State are playing is because Michigan seems to be like the the go to big noon, Saturday, 18 weeks, three weeks in a row. They've been like, they're just traveling, if they should be like, Michigan's big noon Saturday.
Yeah, exactly. But I know I was, I mean, look, I thought the Overall, atmosphere was pretty good, you know, not just for that but the overall outside atmosphere and even in a stadium, like you said, I mean, I think the students deserve so much credit, this is amazed two years in a row. Now that students have packed Memorial Stadium and stuck around at Louisville's.
I can't ever remember. I mean really, I mean, I think back, you know, in my own student experience and now having been in Bloomington for a while and Watching people coming into the stadium. It's just really, it's jarring in a good way to watch this many students wanting to be there. And I think what we're seeing is there is a real appetite for
successful football. There's a bunch of students who really want to get behind this team and I just wish that they were getting a better product to root for at this point. And, you know, and unfortunately as you said, now we head into I think next week, you know, will probably be the last. Full student crowd. Hopefully not hopefully they don't, they don't lose too many people and it'll be easier next time because it's a 3:30 kick as opposed to being a noon kick.
But after that, you know, the home games kind of their they're clustered in November and that's just a rough time to go and it depends on the weather and and again, as you talked about in the pregame, everybody kind of has their mental list, their mental moment where it's like, I think the season is lost. I think it's time to Kind of pack it up and it does feel like next week is going to be for a lot of people that week. Yeah. It's it's just a shame.
We'll see what happens though. I mean the, the students I thought did a really good job overall and I was glad it's nice to have that kind of support in the stadium. It really is and and I was sorry, one last thing. It's just you know, this is where you said it that. It's like I've not seen students support like this for quite some time and it's See it stay. I've seen the student section,
get packed. And it's like, even in close games, people leave it half time, it's just kind of always been the way it goes, they State, like there was a I've seen games are were ahead and half a student section leaves at halftime. It's just kind of girl, so it is, they stayed through that place was packed to the entire
home. Coming through the entire Bandit. I don't honestly remember the last time I saw it that packed up to 27 28 section, you know, the section 27, 28, during the halftime show. And to me, this is the opportunity cost lost.
Just if you can't keep it, if you get into some of the dark circles that you and I can get into when we talk, I you football, it's like there's this thought of like, well, you know who cares because you know, they know I you knows that no matter what they're going to get like thirty seven thousand people every year and it doesn't really, you know, there's a floor of what they're going to get, but if you can't functionally put a competitive product out there, to me, it's
like this is what you lose. Like you're losing this interest, this this fire. And It's there right now. The Embers are burning and if you just let it die and like I was going to get, you know, the core 36,000 suckers were buying tickets every year and like they know they're never going to, you know, go under that, it's like but you're losing this. Well then tell me what, like it. So it's yeah, this is what bothers me is like we have a real fire and this is the people
who were there. These are the people. These are the donors that you need in 15-20 years that we don't have because we have. Anyway, I'm off on a tangent. No, but I mean something there there. To some degree. It's kind of the argument that has been made about IU basketball over the last 10-15 years. It's like the product hasn't been great. I mean and you've had individual good moments in there, but people develop lifelong affinity for sports teams when they win when they're successful.
Now, you can still, you know, obviously you and I are both, are you football fans and that formed absent of a lot of steps really screwed. I didn't work, but I do think that, you know, people make decisions and look a, a really good. This is what made that 2020 season in the way that it played out. Obviously, it wasn't much. They could been done about it, but it was such a shame because to beat Michigan at home to beat Penn State at home, and not have those winds come in front of
fans. That's, that's really unfortunate. Now, you know, I will say this, the, the home fans this year, the students have gotten three good. Well, to good weather games. And then the No game, I guess but they've gotten three wins
and those were fun games. And so it's not like you're leaving empty-handed and I think to some degree, those early successes are probably a reason why students are showing up now still and maybe they will continue to do so, and I hope that they do. But this has been the age-old issue with with IU football is that people come to school?
And they're like, oh, I should go to football games because while I'm at College, of course, I would go to football games and then They go and it's often disappointing and there's not a lot of success and there's not a lot of winning and it becomes a less important thing. You know, what's important with battle is Men's Basketball that I think is going to be fascinating to watch is, how does how does the overall lack of success of the last 15 to 20 years?
Manifest 10 years down the line or 15 years down. The line are people less invested in IU. Men's basketball are people more invest and I think this is clearly happening with IU Women's Basketball.
Because of the success that they've had, and the fact that, you know, those are games that students go to as well and you're starting to really see a Groundswell not just in terms of current students being interested in that team but also young lumps being interested in that team and it's a completely different set up from a fan base perspective from what it was say, 10 years ago. So look, it would be great to
gift. This IU student body who has shown up and has really done a good job at the games with some, some He's down the stretch here or at least some competitive games in the fourth quarter and we'll just have to see what happens with that. You know, I think Alan's done a, you know, is that a better success rate on that than some
of the previous coaches? I mean, you know, you go back and you think about some of the Winds Indiana was able to rack up at home in 2019, you know, I think those were those were helpful and, you know, even in the, you know, even in the games that we saw last year, I mean, the Cincinnati game was at least competitive in the Michigan. State game was was certainly competitive, but you're gonna have to put some wins on the table at some point to keep people excited in the program.
Overall not just alums and because I think with football it's got to come from the students because most alums are pretty Jaded by IU football because they've dealt with this over and over again and you and I are good examples of this. I mean if we if we come across as bitter or or jaded on the podcast, I mean it's just Decades of essentially watching this. Anything, I mean, Dustin Dopey Ragan is Q&A today, you know, and he's done this for a couple
of weeks. Now keeps mentioning like they this team is program seems to find new ways to break the fans Hearts, like, every single time they go out and it really does feel that way. It's tough. As a, you know, somebody who's in the alumni base for a student. It's it's like, well, I don't know if this is something I really want to get fully emotionally invested in because this does seem to be a repeating
pattern. And so that's where you'd like to put something positive in front of them so that they build better memories and just a quick book at him sitting there at the game with my friend, my friend Jeffrey, you know, we're just like talking about like you know the house this game get in and we start real like oh like remember the other dinar Denard Robinson, like the non holding called Los, I got that one
sucked. Like what all the the bolts will possession like throw your gum and about that one is like oh remember the time we had the fourth in the fourth and goal and we lost its like we start rattling down all of like, like I wonder how we're gonna remember this loss. This is like the middle of the third quarter. Yeah. But you You go to that place, where it's like, I've seen so many of these Michigan games where it and you're right, you just, you become jaded.
These are kind of cataloging, all of these and Michigan, seems to be that team. That's like we're, they're definitely an Echelon above us, but we seem to have all of these like almost Kana, Shoulda Coulda Woulda. I mean, Ohio state is just like they are a steamroller that I don't have any memory outside of the penix 2020 game, where it's like, oh, all these clothes. Like I remember a lot of 49 to three losses, to Ohio State and Michigan.
See Seems to have this Litany of like games kind of like yesterday where it feels like there's a shot at some point and then it's like, oh no, I remember that game as we lost this way. Anyway, a couple other things to talk about, I guess before we wrap up, one of them is obviously Hoosier hysteria happened on Friday, both the men and the women getting some Justified publicity, an
interesting event. And if you got a chance to watch any of it or see any highlights, I saw some highlights all some stuff from, I saw the car Woodson In on Terry Moore in separate car also. Cool, right. Yes. I have a couple of thoughts, but you go first because you were there, and I just caught it very good. Little Snippets here and there now. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a fun event to be at, it was not anything, like, what we've seen.
I mean, it was always kind of like, what we've seen the last five or six years, but they definitely took some of the less exciting aspects, like the dunk contest out of it. Either a couple other things. They took out it was a very, very tightly paced show. They started right at seven and they were basically done with everything, but the short scrimmage by 8:30, which was nice on a Friday night.
You know, look, I mean, I think it's hard to tell really yet what we're going to see out of this IU basketball team on the men's side, but I do think that You can't, I could tell at least looking at General Hood Savino and Malik renew by the way, it's apparently Malik renew, it's not Renault, we've been pronouncing, it wrong all this time. So there you go. These guys physically look like I will continue to pronounce it
wrong. Just I so Malik knows like Malik just get ready, I've guess, I, yes, I can verify that. Yes, Scott will continue to pronounce it wrong but look what I found. Fascinating those guys look physically. Like the class of player that I use been trying to get more consistently throughout their lineup, over the course of the last decade.
And you know, with very spotty success, I think, you know, I mean Woodson I love Woodson's kind of, you know, just kind of Carefree attitude that he exudes because it's there's clearly he's clearly trying to construct something that might have some positive aspects. Not just in terms of this year. But just in terms of Kind of an overall cultural approach and you know, he's clearly I think got an idea of what he wants to
do with this team. I'm really fascinated to see how these players end up manifesting as a working unit and we got a lot of time to talk about all that but this was a nice entry point, I think because it was not really and I've been we've been talking about this for a while now. It was not really an event geared towards the fans.
Was an event geared towards recruits and that's really what this sort of thing needs to be. You know, I think it's there's an interesting philosophical thing with IU basketball, where, you know, because Bob Knight was was very focused on trying to keep things the way that he felt like they should be done, which was largely based on that what his experiences were in the 50s and 60s it created an environment where there's almost like this repulsion, And towards doing things specifically aimed
at recruits like, well, no one man is bigger than the team and you're applying for the name on the front of the Jersey, all that stuff. Which look, I'm not trying to denigrate that, but I do think that it puts you at a disadvantage in a world where there's a finite amount of really talented basketball players. And there's a lot of programs trying to get those players.
And most of those programs whether it's Kentucky, or North Carolina or Michigan State, you know, they they are Have been able Kansas. They've been able to construct environments that are geared towards recruits that the fans are still a part of, but it's not about the fans, it's about the recruits and that's kind of how I felt about this event overall and I was fine with it and I'd like to see more of
that. And so, look, I think overall, if you were a recruit in Assembly Hall, watching the intros and watching, you know what? I think, we're probably fourteen thousand people in the stadium yelling and screaming. It was a pretty impressive thing. And it's the kind of thing that showcases what Indiana basketball can be, it can be a national player. It can be a program that's attractive to really good, basketball players, all over the
country. And I think more events like what they did on Friday are going to help, they're not going to hurt. You know, it's you may not get recruits but it won't be for lack of trying, whereas I don't know that we could have always said that before. Yes, I do. Remember growing up in Bloomington my dad and I would go to original midnight, practice which used to be at midnight and you would bring in a canned good to get in for free so bring like a can of creamed
corn. It was always funny because everyone get all excited and you talk about not for recruits. It was like Hey we're going to come out and do a three-man weave where I got to talk to fans or go to a three-man weave are going to a red-white scrimmage, then we're going to get out and there's like oh, that was it, we just watched us to do practice. Well, You could do that when you had the entire college basketball World hypnotized, which at that point bob Knight had that and he could run
things. However, he wanted and you know, it's funny because I think most fans that are our age and even fans and maybe you're 5 or 10 years younger, that's still how it feels. Like it's supposed to be done like, where you're supposed to run it that way and it feels kind of weird to be getting into this space where you're kind of nakedly, aiming it at trying to To, you know, make make the players look like superheroes and all that stuff.
But the flip side of it is that you have to evolve and the shadow like, you know, bob Knight the shadow of how he did things. And the way that he tried to approach, like all aspects of program control, still hangs over this program. So heavily that, you know, they should be able, I think to step in and do stuff like they did on Friday without any Any consideration that perhaps, gosh, maybe we shouldn't be doing this, like, this, shouldn't even be a second thought.
It's like, of course, you do it this way. And yet, I feel like there's going to be a group of fans in the in the program or any, you know, in the in the larger fan base, who probably are going to be somewhat dissatisfied with every aspect of these sorts of things. And look, we didn't get a whole like a big. Look at the team and I'm fine with that. Like, I don't, we'll see them in pre-season at the end of the month. And I think that, you know, at
that point, that's great. I don't need to sit through a practice to do, you know, I really just wanted to see some excitement and they had some pyro in Assembly Hall and I mean, it just was it was a nice event that didn't have to be a basketball practice dressed up as something else. No, I completely agree. There's somebody who's not into work, really? I love that.
They do it this way and even if they were surprised, even if it was the old days and practice like who's gonna get from a chimera went to Jamaica last year. It's like we're talking about all the stuff that go. I'm really seeing some great. It's like none of that came to fruition. It's like nah nah. You can't delete anything, you can glean very little out of those early practices anyway, so it's not like, I'm gonna see that and be like, oh, I now we know everything.
It's like that's not going to translate to Illinois in February. It's just, it's gonna be a different world. We get to their, I love this and it's not for me like you said, like, I and I just want it to work to get good recruits here of which I don't know who they are. I don't really care about the process of 17 16 year old. I just wanted to work. And when I see like, you know, they announced whoever, you know, Gene ass or It was performing The iherb. 0g Hurt.
That's great. If I don't know who they are. It's great. Like it worse they could be like it's like oh Huey Lewis the news like that sounds like fun. Wow. It's like that's not what you want. Like I want to not know who the hell is performing and to me, it's great. No, I love the videos. I like the hype to me it's like like you said, other programs are doing that.
So I kind of like taking the shackles off and let's see some pyro in Assembly Hall. Like let's I'd like to see more of that in the intros during the actual game. The thing that I thought was funny just I also to I'm having to push my own breaks a little bit because tie the stuff I saw from you know Hood should be no seeing him just in little bits of practice. He looks like the real deal. We will wait, I need to wait and see any to see him in an Indiana
uniform in an actual game. I like seeing, you know, some some comments from some Scouts and coaches who were there that, you know, like he's he is the real NBA prospect on this team. That's interesting. That the one thing that I thought was it's just funny is I saw a comment where Tricia Jackson Davis was saying like, oh, he's That's a one and done. Like he's going to be a one and done. I'm thinking to myself. So were you going into your freshman year? You were a one and done.
Like everyone has said you are one and done in like it now because of a variety of circumstances, like we're looking at your four of you. So there's a part where I'm like, I need to wait and see, but I will just say this, as we look at the team, we know what we're getting with the frontcourt and we know what we're getting with Xavier as our
point guard. You know, to me if Hood shh phenotype, Truly is kind of the, the high level one and done five, star player that, you know, were, you know, if he's in a sphere of an Eric Gordon type, not saying he plays like that but just at that level then the the ceiling of this team
drastically changes again. I'm not ready to say that yet, I need to see it. I need to see it again, some competition, like I'm very, very eager for that Xavier game now because I think it's going to be a great test this early team, but if he's there, if Malika Renew, thy God, I did. You got Italy. Gotta is, is close to that to like those that's where this team is going to be very
interesting. I think we have a lot of areas where we know some constants like obviously want to see Trace shoot more threes, I think between race and Trace. I feel very comfortable. That I know what, what the Baseline of what I'm going to get from them is and little pieces around the edges, I think so. Anyway, they are the key that I think can unlock a real potential to this team and the early reports are good.
And that's not bad, it's good. It also doesn't mean anything until we start getting into real games. Now that's true. And look, I I'm just it's nice to have. I will say it. Got me excited for basketball, which I haven't really had a lot of time to even think about it, but it was exciting to just have the event, and I wasn't initially planning on going. I ended up going my brought my, my daughter with me. She had a really good time. It was good.
It was a good good event overall and I'm looking forward to a few For now, when we actually get to watch them in a competitive game, I'll be at the preseason game. The last thing I'll say just I look at that Xavier game as key because very, similarly to totally different circumstances. But similarly, to the year that we beat Kentucky at home, I looked at that NC State game. We played NC State on the road and I remember just looking at it.
Like I if we win NC State were undefeated going into that Kentucky game, and that that just changes the at. It's going to add a little Notch to the atmosphere. If we run defeated going into that game and I feel the same way here about that game against North Carolina at the end of November that if we can go into that game undefeated, not saying if we lose the Savior, All Is Lost, but it's just, I think there's a chance that, that game against North Carolina could be
a really special environment. If we're undefeated, if they're ranked number one, not saying we have to win, but it's just it's I hope we can go into that game undefeated cuz I feel like that could be an environment like like we saw at Purdue last year or that. He gave, you know, 12, 13 years ago, it just it. The, the stars are aligning for a really special Assembly Hall crowd that night. Lot to look forward to should be fascinating, will be back later
on this week. With more podcast coverage we should have a football preview up a little early this week for travel reasons. But will also have some IU basketball talk coming up we'll probably I mean we're in that phase of the Year where the computer rankings start to come out, you start to get like Ken pon. Um will have his updated numbers. Probably by like the third week of October I'm guessing there's a few others that we could look at.
And I can moms can pump should do a thing like this where he comes out in a car and as a pyro it's like I'm releasing the schedule results like win probability, you know? I would I would, I would watch that. I would watch it, I watch it. Yeah, and look, there's some stuff out there already. If you go to Haslam metrics.com, which I'm a fan of, I think they've got Indiana 18th right now. In terms of awe, Pensive
summary. And the think Debbie defense, they're considered to be one of the better teams as well in that system. So look just a lot of interesting stuff to talk about with this basketball team. I think there's going to be a some fascinating items to consider in terms of who's playing and what role they're playing in and all of that. And we'll talk more about that throughout the course of the month.
And we'll obviously keep keep up with OU football as well as there's still some season to play for 3 and 3 at this point and desperately needing wins in these next two games to try to keep their bowl hopes of float. It does just to the listeners, know I'm going on fall break. So I it's going to be very tough for me to to get in a post game next weekend. So I may not be here and it's weird as I looked at it. Like I will be back for the post game for Rutgers and two weeks.
And as I look at this, it's like I think the next time I talk to you We will know exactly where the season is going like, it's basic. I'm not going to talk to you for a week, but it's going to be two games and doing the Rutgers postgame. I think that we are going that'll be a fun one or an interesting one, that will know exactly where our arrow is pointed after these next. So, the next time I talk to you Galen for football, we will have a very clear picture of where this is going.
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