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things. We talked a little bit about IU football, some of the, you know, fan expectations for the As in, you know, trying to keep a positive attitude. Even though with what happened last year, what he thinks about going into the season and then some of the things going on with
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So, without further Ado, here is my conversation with Martha of a mop lady, enjoy. All right, Martha, welcome back. Good to have you on my friend, good to be back, man. I think it was a I think the last time we connected was was a year ago at this time. So I've been looking forward to this one for a while. Oh my gosh. It's been that long. Wow a lot is happening on connected. I don't know if we connect it,
maybe we did. It's been you know it's been a long year and But maybe we connected during basketball season. I can't remember. But I specifically remember us doing this, a similar show similar topics last year at this time. So it feels that long. Yeah, so wow, yeah. Last year I was getting ready to drive to Iowa.
I was very excited. I was ready for the Golden Age value Sports and this year a little bit different but I mean we're just talking about Illinois and with the crowds going to be like and maybe a different feel for IU football.
This year definitely. Yeah, it's it's it is I'm trying to remember, you know, obviously obviously I you football fandom as you know it's it's certainly been, you know, you have to experience it to know it but you know the vibe and the momentum or lack thereof leading into this season. You know. I feel like even even coming off, bad years historically. There's always a level of Hope but this year it's just it's different, right? I mean, everybody is so scarred from last year.
And so hurt. And you know, they've got this attitude where you're, you know, you're definitely gonna have to prove me wrong and I'm not going to let you hurt me again, type attitude. There's just there it's missing that piece of hope, I think, which is, which is odd. It's like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take pause until I see something on the field especially with all the unknown.
So it's certainly an interesting by bleeding into this season so I wanted to hit on that because you tweeted something out. Again, you're at the mock lady, one of the best follows on on the Hoosier Twitter, seen out there but you You send something out. What was it yesterday? I'm just going to read your Tweet here successful, Big Ten football program has a major impact on the overall profitability of athletic department which is true.
Going out of your way to talk negatively about a football program before the season starts. While simultaneously claiming to be a basketball fan as extremely illogical, then he followed up the main point is we haven't even played a down a football, nobody has a clue how the seasons going to go. I'm not sure why publicly assuming the worst what it, what publicly assuming the worst accomplishes. And there's a I read that.
And I kind of took it to heart, because I've been a little bit - coming into, at least on the podcast coming into this season. But I think it's based on, you know, there's there's a lot of question marks that he said, you know, new offensive coordinator new defensive coordinator quarterback, wide receiver, running back. All the skill positions, a lot of question marks and so but you had a lot of feedback on those
posts. People kind of on both sides, I'm curious your take you know it's I don't feel like I've been - I feel like I've been cautiously, like, just there's a lot of question marks I think I'm just you know looking at it logically that I think being optimistic you're basing it on a lot of you know, not real facts. You know what's your feeling on that? Like how do we go into this season being you know, positive but not being pollyannaish but
also not trying to be negative. It's a tough spot. I think for our youth football fans Look, I'm not I'm not, you know, I'm not an idiot. So I understand, you know, the root cause of the, the negativity, you know, I just as you look at Tom, Allen's tenure, right? And and I think you've got to put some hope that last year's going to be the outlier, right? He's he's taking back over the
defense, you know? And you look at his coordinators last year and I think as time passes on you'll look back and say man that those were to really, really poor hires and I think you can already say that, right? But I mean, you look at the three previous seasons and, you know, he's coaching in bowl games, right? And and so, I think you've got to put some Solace and hope that the last year's going to be end up being the outlier, right?
And I get it, there were some changes that were made and I think people are frustrated about that, like, the old line coach and things like that, but He went out. I think he hired a great defensive coach and Chad will, you know, who knows how Walt Bells going to turn out, obviously, I think people pointed his tenure at UMass and say, Why are you going to hire a guy like that will, we're not hiring them to be a head coach for hiring to be an offensive
coordinator, right? Where he's had, you know, some success, you can argue whether it was, you know, how much success that really was but he's given control over to Walt Bell. Who has head coaching experience? He has offensive coordinator experience. Something that Nick shape Sheridan had neither of he's taking back over the defense something that he was very successful with that I you so I think you have to at least and
my point is like is this right? There are so many unknowns and look, I could be sitting here on week 2 and be like, this is a disaster, right? This, you know we never I mean here we go again, right? And but at the same time I also think there's enough unknowns right now that going out of your way to be extremely negative and assuming that this is just going to be, you know, a disaster. I think it's I think it's extremely premature and I think it does more harm than good,
right? I think, you know, there was a former player B re who played a couple of years, Cause I don't think he got much action, but he quote tweeted that tweet that you mentioned, the said and said look like early-season, momentum is everything you go out and win against Illinois. Get a couple wins on the schedule that you should. And momentum is is is something that can carry you through the season, help you get some wind. So, it is imperative that this season. Got off to the right start.
Something that didn't happen last season. Obviously, we know, we know what happened last year, but I just think it's, I just You know, assuming the worst right now, I just I think it does more harm than good and I think we should at least, you know, let some things play out a little while and after the season with a little bit of hope that, that last year was the outlier and it will, you know, will will show some progress. Yeah, I'm going to pick on you
for a sec, my favorite. I thought, I'll just write my old sales manager used to always tell me hope is not a plan and you use hope three different times in yelled at. You said hope three different times and I but But I will take a step back and I agree. I mean, I've said this on, I'm as I look and I took that to heart, so I'm like, I don't want to be negative either and I always, you know, I'm a fan.
I have season tickets. I'm going to go, you know, and I so I took that to heart, but I would also say that, you know, as I look at the season, I said on the last pot with gaalan, you know, I'm I'm very intrigued by this team because I do I do look at it as like is was last year the outlier of a team on the rise or was last year. Like the, this is the harbinger.
Of things to come and I'm really not sure like I'm really not sure because you know Allen's track record does go deeper than just 2020. I mean there's he was taking Kevin Wilson, got things going in the right direction.
Alan kept that and moved it forward and you know there was real momentum there but it's like that's also the dichotomy of last year was just an absolute dumpster fire and really burned a lot of fans and you know when you have this many He changes and you have a team that's two in ten. There's really no history in IU football of a team that like just turns right back around and goes, you know, eight and four.
Yeah, I think I would argue that the landscape of college football, the way it exists today. You know, you talk about, it's never gone. Well for IU, I use never operated in the landscape that college football now operates in, right? I mean we're talking and I heard, Alan mentioned the lot last podcast that, you know, when we start talking about like, grad, transfers and transfers in, right?
The, you know, the instant eligibility and things like that, that, you know, there haven't been many impacts for IU, and I think I would challenge him a little on that I think last year, if you look at the Players it transferred in and that fashion, you know, DJ Matthews. Led the team in receiving before he went down. Our I would say our two best players on the defensive line
work. Rad transfers and Rider Anderson from Ole Miss and the, in the young man from Northern Illinois, His Name Escapes me, but he came in and made an instant impact. So I think we've had some success in those spots. Right. So, you know, and we're bringing a lot in this year. I think, you know, you look at our skill positions and you know, if we can get into this a little bit more as we move
forward. But you know look at our skill positions, a lot of those are you know, on paper and by all accounts are going to be players that have come in with some college experience. So You know, I know a lot of it remains to be seen but, you know, we're operating in a new landscape. And, you know, it's going to be interesting to see, you know, it's going to go one of two
ways, right? And and it's either going to, you know, hopefully we can build obviously, I think there's an aspect that we're treading water. And so the landscape of the Big Ten changes a little bit, it's tough to navigate our division of the Big Ten so if we can show some progress and get back towards 67 wins, you know I think we'll all be happy but you know if things spiral quick Then then it's going to be interesting for sure.
Yeah, and it's, you know, you talk about the beginning of the Season, obviously, we have Illinois coming up this Friday and, you know, it does, it happens quick because that's, that's a very important game and they all are important, but it's a really good chance to get a big 10 win.
You're at home. You should, if you win that, you should be 3 and 0, and then it's like, all right, you know, the it. Again I think this is where The tough spot trying to figure out what expectations for this team should be like, I'm still figuring it out in my head because to go from 2 and 10 and change basically, every skill position and every coach that isn't named Allen or, or pillar to go from all, you'll have all that change.
But to go from 2 and 10 of them, say, all right, we got to get at least make a bowl. That's a really, really tough ask, but on the flip side, it's like just winning three or four games, it does feel like what That's kind of a weak way of saying, I, we're making progress because that's always the IU way, where it's like. All right. Well, we won one more game last year and just just keep waiting till, you know, two more years from now.
But if you're going to make a bowl and to me, if you just get to 6 and 6, that that would be an in my mind, an unbelievable, Turn Around from where it seemed like things were pointing 100%. Yeah, you know, you beat Illinois, you beat Idaho. You beat, Western Kentucky your again, I'm not doing anything math. People don't know, you're halfway there and Who the hell knows what Nebraska is it look like when you get there, you know.
And then it's like if you could sneak that one out, Maryland Rutgers. I mean, your your bowl eligible before November, which you kind of have to be. Because the rest of November gets really tough. But it, it all starts that Illinois game and I know I'm not breaking any new news here but it really starts there and I think that the momentum thing is true because I think that you were talking about what kind of fans support you're going to
have that game. I I'd be curious to see, I don't think you're going to get 40, 45 thousand people. I think it's going to be a light crowd. I think this is definitely a fan base is like you gotta, you gotta prove it to me and, you know, the team's going to have to find their own motivation and fire themselves up if they want to bring the fans back. And that's just the way it's, that's just the reality of the situation. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're spot on.
I think the Illinois game is going to tell us a lot of what we need to know and I think we'll probably over react either way if we win, you know. Back, I won't say what bad but you know, if we win, it's like okay, okay, we've got a little bit of momentum and if we lose it's like, you know, man, you know, it's going to be, you know, it's if we think it's somewhat - now it's going to be extremely -, but that's, that's a game. We've got to come out and win
and talking about fans support. And, you know, I was talking to you a little bit of before we before we started recording about. I was I was a little bit surprised to, you know, when Dolson spoke yesterday to hear hear the numbers that, you know, student ticket sales were up, he's expecting, you know, I I think, I think season tickets were on Pace from last year and he's expecting a crowd of over 40,000 on Friday, and I know that there's a lot of incentive
to buy. Think we're both students and season ticket holders to buy season tickets that it assists with points for basketball tickets. So there's some, there's an aspect that comes into play and who's going to show up but you know all that said I was still a little bit surprised by the number.
I think, you know, being a Friday night of a holiday weekend, it's going to keep some people away but I also think you're going to see a large student As I think it can be a halfway decent crowd, but again, back to the game itself. It's one, you know, after watching Illinois last weekend is when you've got to come out and find a way you know to get the W and get this season started off, right?
I don't want to be sitting here with an L because it's there's just going to be a ton of negativity and that's not going to help anything. I agree. What are your expectations for the season this year in football? You know, I again I'm going to use the word hope again and you're going to, you know, you mad. I'm just, it's It's tough,
right? I, you know, we set here a year ago and, you know, I remember listening to your season preview and then we spoke and you were you were talking off everyone talking off win after win after win. And I was, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say that I wasn't, you know, I wasn't extremely hopeful that we're going to come out and get eight nine wins because I was but I also, you know, I also took a little bit of pause that.
I knew the 2020 depression Offensive production was going to be extremely hard to duplicate and that was going to put a whole lot of pressure on the offense, on an offense that, you know, especially on a quarterback that hadn't proved that he could play more than a couple of games, a season healthy, you know, I knew that we obviously return tie fry Fogel who, you know, he put up big numbers but you know, those big numbers came in, you know, two to three games.
So the production was in a couple games and the other games it's like okay. And there really wasn't that big production that we saw against Ohio state that we saw against. I think it was Maryland or whomever the other components were I just knew with the way that the defense forced turnovers in 2020, I think we had close to 20 interceptions that year which was top five in the nation, losing our defensive coordinator losing our top interception guy.
Yeah, research, we return some town but that's a lot of pressure on a new defensive coordinator. And that's a lot of pressure on an offense. That's probably going to have to pick up some of the production. So I took pause a little bit. I'm like, I don't know that we're going to get to that. That 910 level, I think we're going to come out and have success just with who we return.
But a lots got to go right for us to get you know to the level that a lot of people are thinking we're going to get to. I didn't expect to wins. I'll say that, right? It really spiraled but you know to answer your question when you look at this season I'm encouraged by the fact that At, you know, we bring in some one. I'm encouraged that Islands calling a defense. I think that the players are you know he's going to have the players ready to go. He's gonna have a player's motivated.
They're going to play hard for him. He's not going to you know, he's not, he's not going to accept anything less than that, right? I think we're going to get back to well producing defense offense. There's question marks all over the place, right? I think if we come out in Jack, totals, the guy I'm going to be instantly concerned just because of what we've already seen from them. You know, and he's not a guy that's going to go out and make plays he serviceable, right?
You can throw around the adage of a being a game manager. I think if if it's not basil act, you know, there's some concern, former SEC freshman of the year. He's a guy that go out and make plays Big Arm. You know, we bring in an SEC running back. You know, are our three running backs are guys that really didn't play a whole lot year last year, if you look at our
depth chart. So question mark question marks there But from everything you're hearing about Sean Shivers, you're thinking, he's a guy that come out and make an impact provided. The offensive line does its job and surprisingly enough from a few of the people, I've talked to the first string offensive line has been looking pretty decent, you know, in some of these, some of these scrimmages. So, you know, we'll see question marks all over from the from the
receivers as well. You know, DJ Matthews has back and help you You expect some things out of job on Swinton cam camper and Emery. Simmons are guys that the coaching staff is spoke highly of. So you're putting a lot of Hope and a lot of unknowns. But, you know, you're also bringing in some town that is it is played at the division, one level. So I think that there's some hope there that, you know, things go the right way and, you know, we have a little bit
instant success. It can we can get to that 61 point. For hopes just throwing that out there or three or four. Like you're like you're hanging it's like I'm a picture in your hang in case for strikeout for huh? Yeah I know.
Yeah. But you're throwing a game here you mentioned you know it's last year when penix went down and then you know, we were kind of going between Tuttle and McCully. Everyone's all right, well this season's kind of sunk because we do have a quarterback and that's why quarterback is so important and bring that up. Because You mentioned kind of like you who we see it starter.
I'm just curious your thoughts on this because I think it's I think it's bizarre that we haven't named Bays lack as a starter, you know again we're talking about, you know, an SCC quarterback, a transfer, and how important the transfer market is it's a little, it's a little weird.
If you're like another, you know, if you're another quarterback in two or three years like I can't wait to transfer to Indiana. And then being a quarterback battle with their walk on who's thrown two touchdowns in two years. And so, and yet, as you mentioned, I think we're all in this agreement, You Know, Jack tuttle's doing what he can, but if he's, our starting quarterback this season expectations are greatly
adjusted. If he just shows up as the starter, you know, first series against Illinois, I think the crowds going to get a little murmur E. I would say just to put it politely. And so why is Alan doing this? Like why is he not naming, Bay's lack as the starter? And he could also be I'm you know, Gail mm, tweeted out Something that says got, this is a tweet of a tweet, Osterman tweeted this out and Galen then and hopped on it with our Crimson cast account.
But basically, that Tom Allen is also not including a too deep, you know, roster. And then, if this is something you college, football coaches now doing across the board, like, you know, sarkeesian at Texas is no longer providing a depth chart. So, coaches are starting to get a little cranky with this stuff or just not offering information. Maybe this is just all coaches be like I we're done giving you guys info but even that is, it's
like You're you're not hiding. I just don't know why you don't name a starter fine. Hold your depth charts. Don't let us in practice. But why don't you just let base? Like know and maybe they've done it internally and it's just like we're not telling the fans are not telling the media but I'm just I'm curious your thoughts because to me it seems pretty obvious that you know, from what we saw with Tuttle last year if he's really competing for the starting job.
We got some serious problems. Yeah, you know, honestly, I'm pretty indifferent to the whole thing. I think that I Truthfully think that like, you know, that coach Alan thinks that there's some type of competitive Advantage there. Or you know, it goes back to like, not having a spring game because you don't want to put any offense on tape. That that Illinois may see, right? He's got a new offensive coordinator by all counts of very new offense.
New skill position players all over the place, you know, for me, it's just it's a thing where he doesn't want there to be. Any sort of competitive advantage or tipping his cap in any way, shape, or form, before he absolutely has to write. I mean, because nobody knows what this offense is going to look like besides those that are involved with the programmer on
the team. So for me, it's just like he's keeping things close to the vest on purpose because he doesn't want any information to leak out that. It may be deemed a competitive advantage or, oh, now that we know your quarterback, we can go back and study film on him. And I mean, obviously, they're preparing for, you know, they're
not preparing for Bays locked. Then there it, I mean, just like, just like Indiana Was preparing for Illinois, starting quarterback, you know, Illinois is doing the same for us. So I don't get the big deal on the quarterback thing. I'm but again, I'm pretty indifferent to it. It doesn't bother me that he's not. But to me, it just goes back to him trying to keep any competitive advantage of these things in his mind that the
program has. So yeah, I think it's to me, it's kind of a whatever thing and it again, I'll go back to if it is total. Like you just said, there's going to be some people in the stands there. Like oh Oh boy. Prove me wrong.
Yeah, me, it's one of those things were you as a fan from last year, you've lost a little bit of my trust, but I agree with you on the competitive Advantage, but my thing is, like, if we come out and we have poor quarterback play, this is one of those things where like, I will be in the stands on Friday night. Being like, why are you being so damn cute about this stuff? Like, why are you like not?
Like it's like and even if you weren't, you know, the coaching staff wasn't even worth, it's just like this is where If you like you're out cuting yourself. It's like they have to prove. And to me, it's like, we need, crisp quarterback play. And if there's a lot of mistakes at quarterback, I'm going to be like what why are we focusing on the quarterback battle and not this? Anyway, something I want to talk more about in relation to football that Focus.
The, you know, maybe is more up my alley and a great new follow on Twitter at Hoosier uniforms. Which, by the way, it's amazing that Twitter handle was still out there for anybody listening who wants to start their own pod. Podcast or their own, you know, media platform. Like there's tons of great, you know, handles available out there is be creative. I'm curious as a, you know, somebody who has the old mop lady Avatar. So big into the old-school, Indiana ways of doing things.
Hoosier uniforms tweeted this out, but it's also been out there in other places. But our new uniforms for this year are kind of throwback to the old Anthony Thompson's the block, I the old Hoosiers, they the Fanatics was selling it. I have my new red, Old Hoosiers uniform. I'll be wearing Friday night. What do you think of the going to the Throwbacks for this year? I absolutely love them.
I mean, it was that that that I, you know, I kind of grew up in that era of, you know, 90s, I you football, you know, and then it obviously worked into the camp camaronera which was, you know, a huge shift and in logos. Yes. Yes and all that but you know, I grew up in that, you know, I was I was a big Von Dunbar fan, you know, he's about, I live up in Fort Wayne, he's a Fort Wayne Snyder grad and so, you know, I remember those days. Well, Alex Smith.
Chris did. Oh, you know, that that uniform was was, was the uniform that I you wore? When I, when I really started to grow a passion for IU football and like, if I'm being candid about it, I think it's the best looking uniform that I use had. So, I'm a huge fan of it. There are some, you know, there are some recent, you know, I love the script. Indiana helmet.
I'd like, I'd like for them to keep kind of a rotation of there because I really like their existing uniform to write I so yeah, there are, you know, I'm not sure how they plan to kind of balance, you know, existing versus what, what that I'm you know. I'm not sure if they're wearing the uniform that they released, if that's their permanent uniform and that's all they're wearing. Now, moving forward, if it is, I'm okay with it. But, you know, if I had my choice, Blake.
Okay, let's, you know, let's let's break out the current ones with the recent ones I guess I should say every so often as well. Yeah, looks like they're going to be doing the red at home and the white on the road. Although we'll see when they actually come out and play, but I agree with you. I like that's the error that I grew up in the Anthony Thompson, Von Dunbar, you know, Trent
Trent, green, like that. That I like those those look uniforms but I'm with you, I'd like to rotate in the current ones. I actually, I mean this is again what I really like Kevin Wilson did like the year that we had, you know, the six uniforms and I remember at one point doing a poll On Crimson castle. Like, what uniform are we wearing next game? It's like, we had eight to pick from. It's like, we had the Chrome. We had the Indiana State helmet. I like the Chrome striped ones.
Like, I might be in the minority. Like I thought those were cool. I loved the video when they show it when they release those and how nuts the players went, I think that for IU football, I like going to the old school block, I but I do think this is where, you know, you can be creative and like I like that are Era. We were doing the wild looks. It's like there's if one thing, India ball has its really like no tradition and I mean that in a bad way, it's just, you go there.
It's like, you know, we're trying to do like, you know, songs before third down, we kind of don't know what we're doing. There's really very few things that we do. You know, we do the the William Tell before the fourth quarter that we stopped doing it, like there's very few things that you could say, have been a tradition of IU football for 40-plus years at the main tradition. Is, there is no tradition. So it's like to me, like, let's Can you to move things around?
But yeah, I like going to these uniforms and I'm with you, I'd like to see them basically rotate throughout the year and just change it up all the time. It kind of feels like any time we get close to having a tradition. We make a change. It's like, well yes, we're getting really close to that but let's let's mix it up a little bit. It's time for something new, so it's hard to create Traditions when you don't let them exist long enough to become an actual tradition.
But yeah, because we had that first, we had that first down song that and that was I think I think that was lynched starting to Lynch hair and then when Wilson came it's like he was playing too fast. So they had like, young Kate, it and do like that that that that it. Uh and it's like we couldn't get a first down song than that kind of just went away. You know, glass brought back.
We did the William Tell Overture before the fourth quarter, which I, I like then it's like our oats basketball thing and that one away. I'm trying to think if there's any, like, any fan thing that we've done in football that has lasted, you know, since 1990s or the 2000s? Yeah, not dating back that far. You know, I can't remember who initiated the walk before the game. That's yeah it's like that. Remember that that may have
been. I think that was a coach Hep thing and then you know we've got his Rock UPS Rock but to your point there's not there's not a lot of long standing you know, Traditions like that that you see some programs have. So I guess maybe one of the longest one now is, you know, kids ripping bleachers out and throwing them over the edge of royal stadium, you know. And then You've got the, you know, the the we'll see if the the shirtless section of that's right. Carries over to that was a big
deal there. I think it was a Rutgers game where, you know, that received the most attention because the on the field product was so dismal at that time, but we'll see if that carries over. Yeah. It's it's it's going to be an interest. A lot of know. It's going to be an interesting season. I'm ready for it. Yeah. It's I'm just thinking out loud.
It's like trying to think of any of the, you know, any crowd thing that has just been done for that long and there really isn't and it is, it doesn't you're right. Every time we have something going, we make a change based on either the coaches a new Administration. And it's yeah, it's a bummer because we feel it's this is the fun part of getting old as somebody who went to, you know,
college in the late 90s. You know, you look at like Wisconsin does Jump Around. Between the third and the fourth quarter. And, at this point now, it's like a tradition, everyone knows it, but it's like, that's a House of Payne song that came out and like, 93. So, it's like that, that, that started in. I would say my lifetime. But now, if you're a college kid, it's like, oh yeah, that you know, Jump Around is, you know, sacrosanct and it's like, that's not to me.
That's not that new of our tradition is that you could start something new. It's not like jump around as that, you know, a classic from the 40s. Like that's right. That's a house of pain 90s song but it's like you could start something like that. We just we for a basketball program that has so many little points of tradition where it's like.
Alright we're going to always play Sweet Georgia Brown before we go into the IU fight song with a minute to go and like there's all these little twerks that aren't even massive Traditions but it just you always do it. It's weird that football has had none of had, none of them kind of go all the way through. Yeah. I think we've think we've started to play Jack and Diane between the third and fourth quarter.
Now, I'm not sure that that would Will ever ever take off but as a good one, we do Mellencamp's and I you guys. Oh absolutely. I like it. I, you know. Hopefully this season we have I mean I mean I think it may have started last season and as the season went on there were less and less people there to experience the the song between third and fourth quarter. But I mean, he looked back like like and not to not to not to get off subject but like not back at the first four games.
And, you know, you talk about Idaho game, and then the Cincinnati game and in the Ohio State game, we were averaging close to 50,000 people in attendance, at each of those games. And then for it to just spiral to what. So, I guess my point is, it's just like, if we can get some success and we can, you know, and get some momentum, fans are gonna show up, it's just we've just struggled to get to that point. Any time that we do, you know something like last season
happens. So yeah, and it's I'll wrap up on this for Football. And then I want to ask you a couple of hoosier ticket project questions, but, you know, this really is one of the best Big Ten. Get home games were going to get this year. When you look at like the SP plus rankings Indiana is ranked 86, projected wind, total 3.4, but Illinois is. You know, 4.4? They're ranked 79th. They're right in the same range that we are. There Rutgers is 80th. So, you know, this is a game
that is gettable. It's on the schedule and it really does set things up because if You know, if we're really turning things around and last year was the aberration, you should be able to beat Illinois at home. You obviously should be Idaho at home. You should beat Western Kentucky at home that that puts you at 3 & 0. That's the right momentum and even if you know lose Cincinnati Nebraska Michigan's like you come back you have Marilyn drucker's.
Those are winnable games and that's that's where I just hope. I will say on the positive note to a fan base you know, if they can start off on the right foot Put-put Michigan aside, like I know it's gonna suck. They're going to come in. They're probably going to crush us. Like, don't use that as a like, comeback show up for Maryland, like they're still hoping the season. That's my only fear is that, you know, fans. Look at this and just like, all right.
Well, you know Illinois. Yeah, they suck. And then it's like you beat a bunch of nobodies and then it's like, you get smoked by Michigan's. Like I was his old IU football. It's like, no. There's still, there's still reason to come out and support the team. So, there you go, there's my positive outlook for the year. Yeah, I mean, Start 3 and 0, and then all of a sudden you've got 90 games to find three more wins. And in my opinion, they exist in
there. I think, to your point, you pointed out a couple different sections of the schedule. Obviously, game one is is massive. And and then you look at, you know, obviously, two ends right there after. But you pointed to those that Maryland and Rutgers game, there's there's there's two games that I think you have to find a way to win, you know? So to me, those are the really the two most important blocks of the Or if they're, you know, your point out must wins and
trying to get to six wins. You know, you point to those three games, like there's there's a three Big Ten opponents that that you have to win and then who else and then, who knows what else, you know, what else could potentially happen. You talk a little bit about Nebraska and you know what happens at Cincinnati when you go in there with 33 you know three wins they lost a ton of experience so who knows, you know, who knows what they look
like? I'm sure it's going to be a wild environment but you know, you You never know. So I would say, you know, I get I think getting to 6 is going to be really tough getting to a bowl is tough. I would say to me, a goal would be if you could get 25 wins before the Purdue game and honestly what sucks? The schedule probably means getting 25 wins after Rutgers because I don't again, I think Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan state is just, those are bridges too far.
But if you can get 25 and at least be in a spot where you have a shot to win a A six-game. I think that gets you in a bit of you don't win it and you don't beat Purdue having a bucket game where you're not, just trying to get four wins but trying to get to six wins. Like that's a going in there with five as much different than going. There were three or four and you know, he's been we look back at the Allen are it's like that's something that we talked about,
you know, most seasons. He's had a bucket game where you're going for a bowl berth and it's like that's a big deal. So, I think to me, that would be a successful season as if we have. Ability to get to a bowl because I think saying, we got to get to a Bowl this year, is just that's asking a lot. But I think that saying that, you know, you're putting yourself in a spot where you had a shot, and it's like, then it's like, let's see how that shot goes to me. That, that's what we should be
looking for this year. Yeah. And I think I'll end with this as well as like when you look at coach Allen's tenure here, the the bottom line is that he's done. He's had to do a lot of learning on the job. You just has right first head coaching job, you know? And you start to look at some of the, some of the things, some of the boxes boxes. He's been checking lately like last season was the first time I think he's ever had to enter a season with the expectations as
high as they were right. And he admitted in the players have admitted that they didn't handle those expectations. Well, whether whether it was with, you know, you know you heard Mike McFadden say during the season he's like there's some things we did this. Summer and maybe some things we didn't do this summer, to prepare for this season. We came in thinking we were just going to, you know, walk through some teams and it didn't happen, right?
And then, you look at some of the hires that coach Allen made. And the bottom line is, there are things that he's learned through this process and things that he would not do over. It's a tough. What? It's a big ask in division, 1 football in the Big 10 East to learn on the job, right? It's you know it's a tough position to be in but now you're getting to the point where Where your damn hopeful that? He's learned from it, right?
There's some things that aren't going to happen again, he's going to be better because of some of the things he's went through, you know, he's back doing what, he's really good at and coaching the defense and hopefully he made a decent offensive coordinator higher. So you know that's I'm not I'm not going to allow you to hang another K here so I'm not going to use the H word. But you know, I think you've got to put some trust. I'll use trust.
Instead, you got to put some trust in the fact that he's learned. Things weren't a better spot because because of it and internal going to be in a better position to get some W's. Well and I will say something I've talked about before. I think that, you know, if you look at what happened in 2021, I think you have to step back to 2020 and after that Wisconsin game, I'll be quick. So, I've mentioned this a couple of times, you know, everyone's
run, it's that great moment. The players like is the best coach in America. And then there was a shift, it's like we didn't make the New Year's Day. Six Alan got pissed rightfully so we did make the Big Ten. Championship game based on, you know, the Big 10 being like, hey we like Ohio State. But you know, we got Alan got pissed and you took the Big Ten logo off the off the Jersey. We still only lost that bowl game by six like everyone kind of thinks back on that Outback. Bowl is a man.
We got slammed by Ole Miss like there's a six-point game it was maybe five it's like what's it was closer than it felt anyway but the wheels fell off from there and I do think the expectations got a little too high but I also think that Alan started coaching from a place of anger as opposed to a place of love and If nothing else, you seen that kind of the Elio and coaching from that place of Love is definitely where he's had
success. And even if you go back to again this is why that Illinois game is so important, getting off on the right foot getting some momentum. You look at 2019 2020 is a prime example of you. Get momentum and Alan is really good when you kind of got some positive vibes and thing to build off of but don't forget 2019 that's also a team that than a started to know but they started three and one with a big Us to Ohio State, but who cares?
It's Ohio State. And then it's like, they played Michigan State tough, but then they rattled off one, two, three, you know, four straight wins in the Big Ten, two of them on the road at Maryland, at Nebraska. I think that's the first time we had won four straight, Big 10 games in like, 15, 20 years. And it's, it had been a, was not a lot of stretches of IU winning four straight games to on the road in the Big Ten and that's it.
You know, they went in, they played Penn State really tough in. Happy Valley lost to Michigan but then Back and beat Purdue and made it to a bowl game. It's like again, they were kind of on a run and Alan has showed when things start going right, he does have a history of kind of pushing forward and getting results out like that 2019 team only lost by 7 at Penn State in that in the midst of that run.
So he's shown that he can kind of push through and get expectation, you know, results better than maybe what the team should. So I think that's to me. That's the other positive spin this year is The the runway is there to get off to a good start and Allen shows, kind of like when the bike is moving, and we're staying positive. He's able to push that momentum through some walls that maybe this team could punch above its weight.
So I think that's hopefully, the lesson that he's learned and that once things start going well, it's like you start coaching from that positive vibe and just understand that we're not a team that can be the hunted. We're not team that could be pissed. We're not a team that can have a chip on our shoulder. Shoulder. Like we just got to be positive and as to me, it sounds corny but it's like you got to love each other and you gotta just keep those Positive Vibes, you
know, rolling. So I'm hearing you correctly. We need to hope and pray that Walt Bell but want Bell is Kalin tube or right? Because when you when you when you were listening, all those W is all I kept thinking. It was man, we had man, I love Kalyn tube or he was, he was a hell of an offensive coordinator and you know, you look at the success he's had since then. So that's that's what I that's why I heard you saying but noooo Oh, you were serious spot on, right? I don't know.
Your momentum is everything. If we can get some, you know, it's obviously, obviously what we need to, you know, get to get to that 61 point. So, I'm hopeful there as well. But the tenor you got to beat Illinois. I don't want to, I don't want to use must win, though. He doesn't have a again. This team doesn't have must wins. This team doesn't have like you got to do this this year but like I would really say that it will annoy the more I think about it.
The more I look at this season, the more it's like for so many reasons that we've all talked about. And some fans support you got to beat Illinois, because if you lose that game, there's no way that you could lose that. I think where it's like, you're going to recover the fan base this year, without doing something abnormal, because if you, if you lose by Twenty, One or twenty eight points, I think the fan base is gonna be like, all right, I'll see you in 2023.
Like, let's go. When does basketball start? If you, if you lose a really close game, then it's going to be like, all right? What's wrong with these players? If it's a coaching decision that's going to put Put a lot of pressure on the coordinators or Allen like that.
There's never a good way to lose a game but that's a, that's a game where I just don't see a way that you can lose it and have anything positive from a fan base perspective, which I know is kind of a dumb thing because no loss is good. But, you know, it was Ohio state. The guy, who cares, but it's like, I don't think a close loss
is good on the get there. There's nothing positive out of a loss, which again, I know this is just the dumbest thing to say ever, but it really, it really is a more important game. The more I started, Going to look at this season for so many reasons for so many and you know, the staff knows as well or they wouldn't be keeping things as close to the vest as they
have. So it's big for everyone and and wanted man, I don't want to be sitting here next week with an l, so I'm going to show up cheer loud and do my part and, you know, hopefully work. Hopefully, we're still sitting here next week with some hope. Yeah, I agree. Now. Let's talk a little bit of basketball and so for those who don't know, you are connected with and you've helped start the Hoosier ticket. Checked, you can check them out. Who's your ticket project.org?
Let us know what's going on with the ticket project, you know, right now this season what you guys are doing for basketball this year? Yeah. So it's an exciting time for us on multiple levels. Obviously, you date back to our launch last December. And, you know, it was quite honestly, in every aspect it was like, drinking from a fire hose. The reception was, was phenomenal. We hit the ground running.
We were, we were operating, you know, With which really just three of us initially, and it was, you know, it was, it was very reactive, right? We get tickets, find homes for tickets. The amount of tickets we got were, were, you know, greatly exceeded our expectations. So, we didn't have a whole lot of time to kind of strategize and put together a plan on how we really want to operate and how we really want to grow kind of what we're doing.
But we've had a chance to do some of that this summer, we've added some volunteers when I continue to add some volunteers, but we're starting to create relationships. Us with, with youth organizations places like Big Brothers, Big Sisters, planning, special events with these organizations, you know? And, and that's a big thing for us is just expanding our presence with, within those type
of organizations. That really have that need that fit our mission in terms of, you know, removing the financial barrier for, for Youth and families that really need the barrier removed and to attend, Indiana, football, basketball games, or really, whatever sport that that I use. So, yeah, we're we've got, we've got, we're going to have a
presence at the football game. This Friday we'll have a, you know, we'll be putting that out on social media kind of where we're set up. We got a pretty cool too. Pretty cool tailgate tent that. If people want to stop by and and learn more about us, they can you know we'll be floating around, I'll be floating around. The tailgate area is Amanda on our team will be to the following week. Our whole team is going to be there for an event that we're having. So you know.
And then obviously Eating, you know, leading it. This is gonna be a first football season. So, you know, we're accepting ticket donations for football season. We're going to be sending a bunch of folks to the game on Friday. And then again the following week and throughout the season, but then obviously, the momentum that we have for this basketball season were expecting kind of some, some pretty cool things.
There some cool events, you know, ways to fundraise and get the word out about us, but it's all systems go right now and we're continuing to expand and grow and build relationships across the state with organizations that. The you know, we want to be able to help out so it's a, you know,
it's a fun time. It's a busy time but it's certainly a rewarding time as well with the way things that grow have grown with Hoosier ticket project, are you able to provide tickets through that profit through the project for all football, and basketball games this year? Yep. Absolutely. Yeah, we saw that. Yeah. It's kind of multifaceted, right? We, you know, if you have tickets that you can't use or, you know, for whatever reason, right maybe season.
It's that you can't make it to a certain game, or you bought tickets and can't go, you know, we make it easy to transfer them to us. And we'll find a home for him. But also, you know, is as I mentioned, we're working with, with, with other other nonprofit organizations, other youth organizations. But, you know, we had a big giving Blitz in about a month ago where we raised over 10,000 dollars. And that, that allows us to go out and purchase tickets blocks at tickets to send groups to
games. And, you know, I used Great and working with us, to make it as cost effective as possible, but you'll see some pretty cool things. I don't want to get too far ahead but with an event that we're having, but you know, we're going to be sending, you know, we're working with a large Youth Organization. We're going to be sending quite a few people to to a game here, early in the season, and we're excited about that. But that's what it allows us to do.
That's what those donations allow us to do is, is get people get people to the game that never would have had a chance to go. So to answer your question yet, will you Spect to send every every basketball game, every football game, every women's basketball game. We have a goal of trying to send somebody to every single home game so and we'll, or well in route to doing so that's awesome. That's awesome.
I think it's a lovely idea because a it's great to get people who, you know, don't have access to tickets. The ability to go to. These games, is also a great. Just as a fan, it's likely, I'd much rather have seats used and get IU fans in there. And for all of us who are I you fans who have been to either And definitely Assembly Hall.
You know, you remember those first couple of games, you remember having those moments and it creates lifelong fans which you know, all of us want IU football and basketball to be good and to be better and that that happens with having more fans and more people wearing red and white cream and Crimson. So, you know, I I applaud you. I think it's a great program and I will say this, I've been a season ticket holder since 2008.
I need to start working with you and giving you some of my tickets, I'm not using, but I went into getting basketball tickets, and I've actually my dad was a, we had Professor tickets before that. So we've been going, we've been ticket holder since like 88 87 with IU basketball. But I've had my own set of tickets. And so, anyway, long story short, I thought, oh, I get basketball tickets. Like, once I got them, like,
it's gonna be great. I can scalp all the ones, I'm not going to go too even when teams are good, like, even during the ranked number one, in the country with the crean era. A lot of Those non-conference games where you're playing, you know, Jackson State or whatever. They just don't, they don't sell well on the open market so you know you might get 20 30 bucks this year, the years that were not great.
You know, they're going for two or three bucks on StubHub most of the time, either that or I suck at scalping tickets. There's there's one of those two things. What all I'm saying is that, you know, I'm not saying give all your garbage tickets to lose your ticket project. This is probably the worst that worst promotion ever but it's like, you're not If you're going into this thing, I'm gonna make a ton of money, scalping tickets, you're not.
And so it's like if you're not going to go, this is the best way to provide other people the opportunity. And it's really not a massive, you know, cost loss to you if you have those tickets. Well, and I'll say this, you know, your garbage tickets and I'm learning this, right? And it comes from, you know, being able and, you know, having the ability to go to games when I want to go to games. But your garbage tickets, are somebody else's treasure
tickets. Yeah. And, you know, you look, It specifically basketball, right? And and you know, you look at the, you know, the arena. The arena is largely, you know, majority taken up by season
tickets. And you look at some of those early games and the individuals that have had tickets for years, their games that they just choose, not to go to in some of them, you know, are at a place and we're they don't necessarily even want to put the energy towards trying to sell them, they'll just sit on them and not use them. And that's that's really where we've started to provide an
outlet. You know, folks are learning about the About us. And it's a no-brainer form, and they'll get those tickets over to us. And we'll, we'll get them in the hands of somebody that it's never had the opportunity to sit in Assembly Hall for a, for a game. So, you know, it's a really cool
thing. Especially when you start kind of peeling back those layers and finding, you know, finding these organizations these kids, these really, you know, these, these these places that, you know, can send folks for the first time. It's and you get to experience it in person and Come down the court and down to the field or whatnot. It's a pretty special moment to be able to be there and see that. And you know just makes you it's rewarding, right? It just makes you want to
continue to spread the word. So yeah, so do you guys are out there or not aware? Check them out. Who's your ticket project again? Hoosier ticker, Hoosier ticket, project.org, before we wrap up Martha, Just One Last Question. We're not going to a big basketball preview now, but, what are your, give me the one minute thought where your head is at for, Basketball coming up this year, man.
I I am as is excited about basketball season is, I've been in some time just with I really think they started to find something. Towards the end of last year. This you know, offensively and obviously with what they return and who they've added, you know, my one concern is is, are there enough minutes to go around, right? I mean we've got we've got a lot of Talent on that bench.
So it's going to be interesting to see how its managed and maintained, you know, and If we can slightly improve our perimeter shooting, you know, you look at some games last year, Iowa Rutgers so, so nicely said, slightly improve like this. Again, we're talking about, like, if we can make one or two more threes, a game. I mean, that's, that's the difference in a, in a couple of these games we're wide open looks and they've rimmed out.
But, you know, in by all accounts and everything you hear when you hear coaches talk, I've listened to some podcasts with with Brian Walsh. And, you know, they talk about how these guys shoot. Shoot in practice, like Miller cop for examples, just lights out and it's like man if that can translate to slightly improved perimeter shooting this season I think Indiana can you know really make a significant
run in March? I'm not saying they're you know they're their final four bound but man they've got the talent across the board the bit. I think On Any Given night they can beat anybody and you know lots got to go right and it's going to be, you know what? Since going to have to coach, right? He's got a, he's got a lot of players there. Don't want that are going to want. And it's, but you look at race
and Trace coming back. And what we return on the perimeter and who we add, who we added, it's lined up, to be a pretty on paper to be a pretty significantly solid season. So, I'm excited, man. I think the big games early in the season. I've got tickets to go out to Vegas, you know to watch him play, Arizona, they're playing Kansas North Carolina. It's like to me on. I just have this feeling that Indiana starting to Get back, you know, from a from a visibility standpoint back to
where they belong right now. There's going to be some results that go along with that if they're going to want to stay there. But man, this is a type of schedule but Indiana should have. This is the type of momentum that Indiana should have. That just hasn't existed, you know, consistently enough over the past decade. So man, I'm I'm thrilled man, I'm excited. You know, it's going to be a fun year. Yeah, I'm in the same boat on a lot of those things. I'm actually going to Vegas as
well. So, Let's talk. Yes, let's sit let's set up a crimson cast. Hoosier ticket project, Martha, the mop lady something out, in Vegas. It's funny. I was telling my wife, I already have Vegas book and I was like, I want to go to Vegas and the Kansas game and she's like, oh yeah, go for it, you know, and I'm like, all right, those are back-to-back weekends in December, so yeah, it's fine, we have two young, you know, two youngest boys. Now nine and six and so I guess, fine.
And I'm like, I need to get a video of you saying this. Maybe this is my great wife. Told me, it's fine. She's like you have a great time. Like Cause you're we're going to get to December 18th or whatever. And I'm like, hey, I'm just got back from Vegas. I'm about to drive to Kansas and
I'm going to get divorced. It's like you told me this was okay, because that's what I'm going to both of the or my plan is to go to both of us. By the way, it's like UNC Arizona, Kansas back-to-back-to-back. It's just going to be a great three and a half weeks stretch of basketball, but yeah, I was, I good.
No. I was, you know, to your point with, with the back-to-back and the, you know, you know, trying to identify which games I was I was On going to, I was reminded of the the Tiger King gift that says I'm never going to financially recover from this. I was thinking of that when I'm like, man I'm just thinking of the cost associated with going to some of these games. But these are, like once I mean, how often you get a chance to see North Carolina and Assembly
Hall or go to Kansas? Are go watch IU playing Vegas. So it's it's gonna be a lot of fun. I will say this but I have a lot more time to talk about basketball but this is I don't want to like hit strawman arguments, but you know, you look at, you know, Woodson came in with some advantages having played at IU but also at never coached college basketball had never recruited. But to me this is and we have to have some of the results this
year that we are expecting. But we you know, we look at this year, we're going to start the season ranked. We're going to be a favorite to compete for a Big Ten title and it's You're too. And this is what I always frustrated me with the Archie Miller era, where it's like we just need another year, like just going to take some time. It's like if if you know what you're doing, Indiana in basketball is a place where you can turn it around quickly.
The talent is very fertile in this in the Midwest and Indiana and it's like this never is this a program that it should take you no more than two to three years to turn around and be back at a level. And again, I understand that. Haven't played a game in year 2. Yet we have to have the results to match it up but it definitely feels like the floor has been raised and this is something that's just for all Indiana fans to keep in mind for basketball, you know.
If and when that ever, we have a coaching change again. It's like this, this doesn't take this long, it shouldn't take that long, it's a 18 to 24 month. Reset, if you're not humming where you want to be, something's not right. All that said, Woodson I am in the same boat as you like, we got to get the results to back it up but it feels Like we are humming. It feels like we're back. I don't think we're winning a title this year. I do they're going to a final
four this year. I'm not even sure we're going to actually win the Big Ten, but it feels like we're going to be competing for the Big Ten. We're going to be, you know competing for a second weekend. In March, we might be a protected. See like all these things are building up words, like it feels like the program has momentum and it is, it is nice to see that and it feels right. And it shows it's like, dude it's Woodson's been here. What? Not even 24 months and it's like
we're already. It feels like Like things are back on track. And it does feel like a fan base has its expectations in line because I don't feel as I talk through it. I don't feel a lot of people who like we're gonna win the title this year. It's like it feels like expectations or in line were growing like it does, it feels good. It's like a nice way. That's building up at the right
momentum. We're back in conversations that we haven't been in in some correct conversations that we should that your point that Indiana should always be in, right compete for the Big Ten title. Should have a, you know, can, you know, has the potential to play well into the second weekend of the tournament? All those conversations that haven't existed. And again, to your point that it, it shouldn't be this hard
Indiana, right. When you look at, like, the amount of tournaments that have been missed over the last 10 to 15 years, it's mind-boggling and, you know, maybe it's comes from a place of, you know, too high of expectations and I you fans or, you know, you know, they're they're unrealistic Maybe So, but like I'm with you, it should not have ever been this hard in Indiana, you know, with the resources available
with the talent pool around. It's something that again, it should be fixed relatively quickly. And, you know, I just again, I'm glad we're back in conversations that we haven't been in in quite some time. And hopefully that, you know, hopefully we hopefully, we can check some boxes in terms of getting to that second weekend of potentially playing for Big Ten Crown. I think that you know will be set up well for the future.
Hope that other fan bases are feeling that way about us because I look at this on a flip side. Like I know football takes a little bit longer but you look over at Nebraska and it's like I heard some stat that like Scott Scott Frost could win 50 games in a row and still not have won as many games in Nebraska as Bo Pelini did and they fired him. And it's like, I look at Nebraska and it's like, this shouldn't be that hard for them. They have, they have an area.
It's just carved out. They have that history. Like they have a huge booster base. They got a great Stadium, they have. The history like this, shouldn't be that hard for them, but then again as a team that's competing, get some like this is great like keep Scott Frost there, right long as you want. And I do wonder if other teams around the Big Ten Or look at you have looked at Indiana for 15-20 years the same way as like, man, that's that's a sleeping giant.
Like I'm great having them, not figuring it out and I, you know, if we can bring the results that were expecting this year, I do wonder if around the Big Ten other fans you like, oh, like there. They're coming back, and that's not good. Just like I would if like, you know, Nebraska fired Scott Frost today and hired whomever somebody new. And then it's like they suddenly go six and six next year, at 8, and for the year after I'd be
like, oh God, but why? I wouldn't care because we're in the Big 10 East, We're not gonna play him, but it's like, if I was Wisconsin, like, oh my gosh, it's our patch just got harder. So I, it feels like we're on that, right? Trajectory. So there's a weird mix between us and to Braska that makes no sense. I agree. 100% Martha been awesome. Having you. Let's Have you on again before
basketball starts? Again, follow him at at the mop lady on Twitter. Check out the Hoosier ticket project, Hoosier ticket, project.org and get ready for some football. And Sebastian, we got like five days to go. So it's been a pleasure having you on, we'll have you on again before basketball. And to all you out there, listening, appreciate the
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