You're listening to the back home network presented by home field. Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale and Claudia Scott Caulfield here. We're back. It's Saturday, March 12, and Scott. It appears we still have a basketball season going on after the events of this last week, as the Hoosiers. Got just absolute gut, punch lost today in the semi-finals of the Big Ten Tournament. But the fact that they were even there is really the headline as the Hoosiers.
Pull off a couple of wins that they desperately needed to get themselves. We think into the NCAA tournament. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the game that we saw will talk about the other two games as well a little bit. And then we'll go talk about The future here in terms of what the NCAA tournament might hold. And we've also got some questions from you folks that you've written in. But Scott first of all, good to see you again.
And I think the Hiatus worked I did, you know, we had some people call in for a pregame podcast today from us and I was like look, this is probably not the best time to do this. We probably need to just let it ride. Let's go out there with clear minds and clear Hearts before the game and it almost worked but it's good to be talking to you. Once again, we always said we
were going to do a podcast. Today, one way or the other and as it turns out, this ends up being the perfect time to talk about what's going on with IU basketball. So, how are you? Yeah, I mean, we don't do pregame postgame. Like, that's the stay in your lane, the Crimson cast, right? I'm good. It's it's so annoying that and again, we're I my you bias and so I see this through an IU prism but you have this behan and shot you had the, you know, was it Blake half off her shot
from Minnesota over ha farmer. How Farber you had the kid for Illinois? Go nuts. Like for a Team in Indiana, that's really not. Had a lot of games in the Big Ten Tournament where we just not played a lot. It feels like two-thirds of the crazy buzzer beater, great plays of happened against us and so it is kind of annoying. It's like the odds seem to be wildly stacked against us. We just don't play in a lot of games. And then the ones that we do seem to end in these wild Fashions.
I mean, here at Scott, we won a national title on essentially a buzzer-beater. I think we can't complain about this. We do like this. This isn't this is like an area, we should not be registering any sort of problems. And I know it seems unfair. But once you've won on essentially a last-second shot a national title, you really lose that chip? I think agreed but at least Keith smart and you know that offense. They shook him free and got him. A relatively open look like this was so well.
Defend it down way now, you're right. It's just it's I mean, it's a gut punch, but I have some thoughts on. On it from a bigger picture. But yeah, that's kind of my initial thought was just like, damn, but I also, you know, there's a part two, where it's nice to feel this way where I feel confident. We're in the tournament. There's a part of it where it's like, you know what? We played really?
Well, we equipped ourselves. Well against Iowa, I'm not sure it's not a bad thing to maybe have an extra day of rest, right? And go into the tournament a little bit more rest than trying to run this four straight days. And then, you know, God, forbid, the turn the other committee gives the Thursday game and then we just come in, you know, to the Bully Beatdown like in the end, you know, I'm not sure if we were going to beat Purdue tomorrow.
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fingers crossed for you. Anyway, let's go ahead and dive into things here, Indiana when we last talked. We were not particularly happy or excited about what was going to be happening through the remainder of the IU football season as it really looked like IU. The well that too. Yes, they've asked driving with football football. We just kind of I'm sorry. I just, I think disappointment. I automatically flash back to
Indiana football. But no, it really felt like the basketball season and kind of gone off the rails. It felt like the team had to some degree lost their chances to make it into the NCAA tournament by losing at home to Rutgers by losing that game at Purdue by losing to Wisconsin at
home. And you looked at the Big Ten Tournament a place where I you does not have a whole lot of history of success and it's like, well, they could do something they got opportunities to And it just didn't feel like it was going to be in the cards for this team this year and credit to Mike Woodson credit to this team, the whole staff the
players. I mean what we saw over the last three games and I mean if we're being honest, it's like the last five halves because the first half against Michigan is right up there with the worst performances that this Indiana team has had all season, and to turn it around as spectacularly as they did, in that game, to be able to come into that, Illinois game, which Buddy, you included, we do was convinced was just a horrific matchup for IU basketball and you know, not
only to to play well, but to ultimately win that game against a full-strength Illinois team. And then to come into this game against Iowa, one of the hottest teams in the country, a team. That just is hasn't lost. Many games of note this year. Like they have just really been unfortunately, very solid.
And then to play as well as they did to be up by 9 with five minutes to go. You kind of get the yin and the Yang to Agree there where it's like, gosh another game where they're up late, and they can't close, you know, but for me, I know, you know, when I look at the 0, the sum total of what they accomplished in Indianapolis this week, it's hard for me to really be that bitter about giving up the lately day. Because Iowa is such a good
offensive team. I mean, they're right up there with Purdue they can score in bunches. They're so hard to guard for 40 minutes. Indiana is not at full strength, you know, just in general, they're missing one of them. Better Defenders and they made a great defensive play at the end to tie the game. And, you know, they made a great defensive play on the play that Iowa end up winning the game on. So it's hard to fault them for
effort. You can certainly fold them for letting some opportunity slip away. And, you know, God knows if you had an official that understood the difference between a block and a charge. Maybe we're not talking here right now. If you had another official, who understood the difference between a block and a charge on the other end of the floor. You're probably not having this conversation right now. We're probably talking about Facing Purdue in the Big Ten
Tournament final. But, you know, all that said, it really did feel like Indiana showed something, not just that we haven't seen through most of the Year this year, but we haven't seen for several years with Indiana basketball. Yeah. I have two high-level thoughts on this. The first one is and I was thinking about this that, you know, sometimes it really does just and I don't want to make this too big of a point. But, you know, had we just lost that Michigan game by 20 points.
The offseason would have been rough and we go to the NIT, who knows what happens. The offseason would have been rough and you would have been kind of like a lot of questions about Woodson would have been going on there. But a lot of times a coaching career or a tenure at a school comes down to like two or three games or, you know, a couple of like if I wrote down here, it's like it was 30 hours or 30
minutes of gameplay. My 12, save the offseason in the start of the woods and career like and You're with me for a sec, like, you go back and this is not the best analogy for everybody. But you look at the Davis era, you know, if he wins against Duke and can state that go to the final four. It's like a 36-hour run if they lose to do, which they very easily could have, you know, we look back on the dent, the Davis, tenure much differently.
It's like, wow, like what really happened there, you know, Green. We're probably looking back on and say, wow, that was short. Sorry. Go on for a lot of people, the turning point for creed. It's a little bit longer because you have a Week in between but it's like it was that 81 matchup for me against Temple when we were the number one seed where it's like man that was really hard to put away Temple like we did Oladipo three and then of course, we lose the Syracuse.
It was a tougher gay but like a tough game there, but then you lose a Syracuse. Like if let's just get a you give him a Syracuse win. There. They go. To the elite, eight things are a little bit different for creating and under Archie. Same thing like in 2019. You have that OSU game in the Big Ten Tournament. They win that they're in the tournament. They don't, they go to the NIT and you know, what? What do with that is if they
make the tournament in 2019? I think we all just retroactively, give him a tournament berth in 2020. Where now it's like that becomes a no tournament. I think it would have been a tournament. But the point is it really is. You look back on these careers. It's like it kind of comes down to these fulcrum points where it's like you got a couple games where you can make it happen or you can't and it did feel like we kind of changed the fulcrum
Pro fulcrum point there. So that's that's kind of my first big thought of it. Is that really 30, 30 minutes like you said or 30 hours could have really saved the trajectory of the Woodson tenure here at IU. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of Truth to what you say in that because a lot of us are just about perception. It's about internal perception within the program, how to the players?
Feel like things are going. And that's the most important of them because ultimately, they're the ones that are playing the games and, and the coaches are the ones that are dealing with the day-to-day stuff. And it really did feel like the internal view of what was going on with the program. Didn't didn't feel very good. I mean, it really a Woodson. The number of times. He's like, I can't get these
guys over the hump. I know people got tired of hearing that but it really felt like it was true who's like, there was, there was some alchemy that he was not performing properly. That would have allowed the team to gel in a much better way, you know, you look at some of the ways that players are playing, you know, you look at Tres Jackson, Davis and the struggles.
He had all the way through the The first 15, 20 minutes. 25 minutes of the Michigan game in the Big Ten tournament and it's amazing how much that can change simply by getting a result. And all of a sudden things that felt hard suddenly feel a bit easier. I mean, I think there's Iowa team that Indiana just lawsuit is a great example of that like that. That didn't look like a great Iowa team at the start of the season.
I don't think that they were picked particularly high in the Big Ten and you know, They lost three games in a row. They lost, you know, the Purdue on the road, Illinois at home, and Iowa State by 20 on the road back in December. And I think everybody's looking at that Iowa team at seven and three. And they're like, now that's this, is nothing's happening here. But I think you go to them and you see what they did after they lost that game to Michigan, they win the game at Ohio, State
going away. And that really ignites them on this run, where they've been on where they've won. What fought a Eight of their last nine and the one that they lost, they could have easily won that game in Illinois to finish the season off. So I think with Indiana, it's the same thing. You're right and externally. The results that Indiana got and the way that they played, you didn't see. I didn't least now granted.
I was in the air for most of the game today, you know, but I'm not seeing people getting on Twitter and bashing the players or bashing the team or talking about how bad the coaching staff is. Yes, there were some complaints about what had happened but at the end of the game people were just, they were really excited. Everybody was that? It was, you know, was obviously a gut punch game that people were very disappointed in the ending. But they weren't mad at the Players.
It's like, well, this is that's what people have been asking for with this. How you team do this play these sorts of games, you know, give effort all the way through. Yes, there's going to be mistakes. Yes, there's going to be players that underperform, which we certainly saw today. But at the end of it all what makes Indiana fans? Happy is playing in games that matter and playing well and with energy in those games and that's just been so unusual and so rare.
For Indiana basketball now for so long that I think that this, it's a shame, the tournament run had to end when it did. I do agree that there's a think it may be a better chance that it continues in the NCAA tournament cause they'll have an extra day of rest. But this for the first time in a long time, it felt like everybody was like fully behind Indiana basketball again, and that was really awesome to feel.
Yeah. I was with a big group went to Grand Junction and the big group of us were there to watch the game and, you know, it was it was fun, but I It feel like you know, how do we just lost by 15 or something? Whenever competitive I would have been like. Oh no. Like that was why dad had? Yeah, that's why I have trust issues, but I didn't feel that any. But everybody else with you.
There's a lot of its money where with some people who one of our one of my group was kind of the you got to rebound person. Like every time we get a rebound, it's like I'm always kind like, okay, whatever then it's like after like Iowa gets us like 12th Rebound in a row and you're like, okay. I'm an agreement like be to rebound more when people were annoyed at Miss shots as you sometimes our butt. Again, just going off the feel from my group that I was with.
Everybody is like, hey, they played really hard and like that, that sucked and sometimes games and like that, right? But it's just like sometimes it sucks and you did everything, right? And he played good defense and to be honest like what you gonna do, you know, what's what to me is interesting is I think it's really hard to figure this out in the moment. We'll know more in retrospect, you kind of hit on this in your open, but you know, the question
that I think I have right now. Oh, is you know, did Woodson figure something out? Because there is a point there in February where we're all kind of looking each other. You know, Tony. And I talked about, in one of the pods, like, you know, does he obviously woods and knows a ton about basketball. But it does he understand? Kind of like the significance, how quick the season ends in
college basketball. Like this is an NBA team like, you know, he's still doing the substitution things like did and you wonder like, did he figure something out right now and, and unlocked a new level? Like, kind of like he unlock something in Purdue by, you know, giving thinnest. That, you know, the the the the good feeling and that, you know, the support that he needed, you know, on one hand. It's like, okay, maybe we did figure something out of mixture.
He comes in kind of understanding. All right. I got a better feel for the rhythm of a college basketball season or, you know, is this still a team with this Iowa game? That like is still really unable to close out tight games because then you know, we feel good like we were still up nine with five minutes to go, like Iowa scored 22 points. The last like four and a half minutes and then it's like maybe
the Michigan and Illinois game. Games were aberrations and they say more about Michigan and Illinois. They do about Indiana. And I don't, I don't know what that answer is obviously only time will tell like, well, no 12 years as you look back. It's like, oh, yeah. That was the turning point or it's like, oh, that was just kind of to aberration games and still a team that can't close out tough games. And that's, that's what, I'm not sure. We have an answer to.
Well. Look. I think that look, they were a nine. They Indiana was a 91% when With about five minutes to go and they were of 67 58 another game, where Indiana's got to win probability above 75 percent in the second half and they lose and that has been a consistent problem. Now, I think we're you run into some danger analytically is trying to tie all those things together and create some larger
sort of causation. You know, I think in this game it was a different reason than in previous games that Indiana lost that game. Now they all kind of stem from the same Reservoir. Of issues, which is that Indiana doesn't have a good sense of who it is yet. There's I think you've seen some development over the course of the season, but the bench is shallow. It was even shallower today. You don't have guys that you can necessarily count on and your best defensive players.
The guys you need out there to stop an Iowa team who can score from all five positions from scoring and points. When it matters is also not your best offer. 25. And I think ultimately, that's what occurs like Indiana has not shown an ability to perform. Well, consistently on both ends of the floor down the stretch. And that's ultimately what wins you these games and you know, whereas I think they do their there's some games like the Ohio State game.
You just needed a couple of buckets and, you know, if you got one or two additional buckets, you're coming away with the victory at Ohio State. And we're not even having this conversation, probably. In this Iowa game, you had to be able to defend Iowa better than they did down the stretch and the fact that I was able to get guys free and put shots up and and make the shots and they were no easy shots. I mean not, you know, not just the Bohannon one.
But I mean, the threes that they were hitting they just they were hitting at a rhythm that required better defense down the stretch. So I look at it a little bit differently than. Yes. It was the same old Indiana and that they ended up losing a game that they should have. On. But it's a growing process and I do think Woodson is hit on some things here in these last four or five games.
Like we're seeing him really zero in on a lineup that he thinks is going to win the game and sticking with that lineup about as close as he can to The Bitter End, you know, he did that against Illinois. Worked out really, well. He did it a bit today and I think what ultimately happened was, he just didn't get enough contributions from the guys that were on the floor for him when it mattered. I'm not talking about Xavier Johnson, and Trace Jackson, Dave. This but I'm talk about the
other players on the floor. Just you need an extra bucket. You need an extra stop and you couldn't get it all, you know, now all that said, I also think that this Indiana team still lacks in a bit of grit and hustle and determination play after play after play that you're seeing some of these upper echelon, Big Ten teams able to pull out of the hat and that's something that's going to come with time. I think that ultimately that felt like the biggest indictment
of the Archie Miller era. At the Players just never really seemed to develop that attitude. I think you're seeing it develop under Mike Woodson and the fact that they won the two games they did in this Big Ten Tournament illustrates that, it's partially there, but it's not all the way there. And I think we're Indiana is going to finally turn the corner maybe in the NCAA tournament this year.
More likely than not next year if they're going to turn the corner is in. Being able to have that reserve of being able to make plays at the end of games that win. And I think it's something Indiana still learning how to do. They did it against Illinois, although they tried to throw it away, to some degree in that one. And I think that's ultimately,
the thing that has to get fixed. If Indiana is going to really turn this thing around under Woodson, and take it to a different Echelon from where they're at right now. Yeah. I mean, I also, I agree. I think in the end this team has a fatal flaw, which is just, there's really not a consistent comfortable. Three-point shooter. You can go to, I mean, it's why I like Xavier Johnson is probably the person. I feel most comfortable taking. Freeze right now, right?
But you know you have you have Miller coppin and Parker Stewart, you know combined 2 for 9 from three and you know it I don't want to harp on just one moment. We have that moment. We're going to trace Jackson, Davis gets the Breakaway dunk, we go up by nine. I think then we get the ball back at some point where we're still up nine and it's like if you can I think we turned it
over. At that point on an entry pass was like, if you can get a three there, you're up 11 or Europe, 12 like that could be a ballgame. A spot if you can nail a 3 there, like it's 12 with, you know, four and a half minutes to go. That might be game but instead like we turned the ball over, which is not great, but not the end of the world. But then like, you give up a three Suddenly It's like a five-point. Let's check it. Just it, tightens up so quick. And you also have an Illinois,
Indiana Iowa team. Sorry that shot 43 percent from three which is you know, in kike Murray State for ten. It's like yeah, lights out. So, you know, I think in the end this is also a team that just has kind of a fatal flaw that they're just really One or two guys that you're comfortable with getting getting threes and be able to knock those down. And that's sometimes what you need honest. That's what you need to put a team away and it's hard to put a team away with you twos and stops.
If you can get a couple stops, get a couple tours and then make those twos and the threes. That's when you can put a TV a way where you can push a lead. It's just this team doesn't, just doesn't have that. Well, and look, we've talked about this many times and it's, it's as ultimately, the Epitaph of the year. It's a poorly constructed. And roster and it's not Mike Woodson's. Fault that it's a poorly constructed roster.
But the your offensive players are the players that should be out there to give you offense outside of Trace Jackson, Davis, Xavier Johnson and to a lesser degree race Thompson. Just don't they don't contribute on a regular enough basis to be able to count on them offensively defensively. They're not able to contribute. I mean, it's a real real problem that Indiana has to hide on most possessions. And then the people You got coming off the bench, all have
flaws. You know, Trey Galloway is very much. You don't know what you're getting out of trade Galloway offensively every night against Illinois. He was incisive. He made plays at The Rim. He did all the things that Indiana had to have in that game to get their offense kick started today. He just didn't have it. You know, he can't shoot from outside and he's you know in a game where I was going to back off of him or any teams going to back off of him. Keep him in front.
He doesn't really offer you a whole lot in terms of scoring. He can pass the ball, you know, but he, but he doesn't really have the ability to create his own offense. Jordan Geronimo is kind of in the same boat, except. He's the post Player version of that where he has, he can hit a shot now and then but it's got just as much of a chance of swishing as it does going over the rim entirely. You Know, Tamar Bates, had that nice three at the end of the half, but that wasn't a great day.
Again. He didn't poll. Well, he didn't play again because he can't play defense and he has real We're getting a shot together and most of the rest of the players that Indiana brings in they all have like a major flaw. Now. I'm not saying that they're bad players and I think tomorrow, Bates is got a lot of talent potential and will develop, but
he's not there yet. And so when you look at this roster, you see a lot of very either incomplete players or pieces of game that don't add up to a whole and that makes it so that games like this are a real struggle because you're going up against a much. More complete team that really has an identity under Fran mccaffery, but that's because Fran mccaffery has been there for a decade plus. And you know, he's had all these guys in the system.
And so that's where I am more patient with Mike Woodson. And I think the expectation that Indiana would play as coherently as Iowa or is Wisconsin, or is Michigan State, or is Purdue given, what a huge Head Start, those programs have is probably not a reasonable explanation or era. But the fact of the matter is Indiana's, got the talent to kind of go back to eat, were saying they have the talent to
win games like this. It's just not always a given that they're going to be able to hold on to the advantages that they've created for themselves because they still are not a very coherent unit as a group. Yeah, one that. And that is, you know, the other contrarian way of looking at it is like, you know, that's kind of maybe Mike Woodson is doing
such a good job. Getting this kind of, you know, in complete roster to a point where it can compete these games, but it's like, it just can't close it out because it isn't a Eat roster. It's like maybe a lesser coach could even get within their. But, you know, I'm and this is where you. Let's we can talk about Ed Fang and the power ranking and everything. He's doing with bracket Matrix and how he's a friend of the Pod. I just do want it.
So we'll get to that. But I do want to talk about, you know, where we rank in March. I was telling you before we started like I'm I'm excited for where this team could go because I think I might try and go to the first round game. So just I will I'll put it up on Twitter. If I end up going. I'd love to see anybody who's going depends on where we're going. It depends on, you know, what flights look like at all that.
But I would say, if we end up being an 11 seed, you know, I'm not saying this is going to happen. Don't put it down. I don't see us making a run to the final four, but this team could make a run to his sweet 16. Like if you're an 11 seed, there's not really a six seed or a three seed in the country that that I think we couldn't beat in any given night. I mean Wisconsin's the three seat and we should have two wins against them, you know, Alabama st.
Mary's LSU, Boise State. Those are the 60s out there. I'm not, I mean, we could lose, but I'm not. So there is a path setup where this team could really write the ship and just if it plays like it has the last two days. There's no reason why it couldn't win two games in the tournament being an 11 seed and I kind of like the 11 seed line better than 10 and then running up against a Tuesday.
And I kind of like that 11th at 11:00 pocket to get in and maybe play a six where and sometimes three teams go down to. So sorry. I really took us off track there. Talk about the tournament but Scott its Crimson cast. That's what we do here. And you let me before we get to the tournament picture. Let's let's take a couple of questions and comments from the folks out there. I put out a call on Twitter, and
some of you responded. First, Toby Phillips, Galen, and Scott. Can't wait to hear the take on the festivities that took place over the last couple of days. We've been loading, this type of situation for several years. When traveling with the family, we catch ourselves, listening to Crimson cast, whether it's basketball or football. Will thank you, Toby. We appreciate it. Hopefully, you're enjoying During the show. Let's see, Alex G asks as a kosterman and Dustin Dopey rack
pointed out. I you solemnly has a big three, tjd Xavier, and race to lean on for scoring between cop Geronimo and Galloway. Who, and your guy's eyes has the most potential to step up and help chip in enough to at least get one NCAA Victory. Gosh. I mean, it's a first of all it does sound like Jordan, Geronimo is going to be back. He tweeted out that he's
planning on being back. So I think we will keep our fingers crossed that that actually ends up happening was they went to ankle injury instead of a knee injury, which I felt was very good news of the three. The person who has the ability overall to have the biggest impact and help Indiana win a first-round game. In the NCAA tournament is Miller cop. He's a starter. He's you know, nominally just by looking at numbers overall, the still percentage-wise one of the
best three-point. Ders, in the Big Ten. He's still 36 percent on the, you know, on the season from three 37%, I don't know if he'll actually do it because his performances of just been. So spotty as of late. It's really hard to get a sense of what you're going to get out of him. I mean today, he was 0 for 6 from the floor and he ended up 2411, which I mean, the two shots he hit were real big. But what about the other nine? It really needed to be hit. You know, you do wonder what
happens there. He was essentially an offensive no-show against Illinois, played fairly well against Michigan and certainly had a good game against Purdue, but you know, I look at cop and I say, all right. He's You know, there's just a lack. I don't know if it's a lack of confidence or what, but he's getting open shots. He's not hitting them if he's hitting the open, shots that he's getting. It's a completely different ballgame, not just today.
But I think for anybody that Indiana plays against because that is because he's normally three pointers that he's open for. You're talking about an extra six to nine points, a game without really losing anything on the other end and that puts you in a position. I mean, it's pushing it. Today where you've won the game as opposed to losing by 3, you know, certainly the other two I
think are important. I think that though cop because of the fact that he plays so many minutes and he's already in the starting lineup and he theoretically has a better sense of what he's supposed to be doing in the offense than the other two would be the one that I would expect. If there was going to be somebody step up out of that group. It would be him. Yeah, I would tend to agree but I the case for in my mind, Trey Galloway is a tree Galloway. Also finishes the game.
It's like he's been part of that Finishing Line up and you know, Galloway provides some of that, you know, ball handling skills, but also he kind of becomes the other instigator or the real, you know, Pusher of this team if and when Xavier Johnson is on the bench. So when Xavier Johnson goes to the bench and always and now it's like I'm scared because the guy who's going to be the aggressor on this team to really
push the off. Henceforward and sometimes that is true Galloway. So that would be my answer for Trey Galloway is, you know, because he, he can, he can cheat a little bit on defense, like there's times he comes in and it's just a complete spark plug that this team needs to kind of get things going. I would also think it's funny that the question had those three people, you know, there's
another option out there. I know he's like a ghost on this team, but Parker Stuart, I would love to see Parker Stewart step back up. You know this. I think this is, you know, we're nearing the end of his IU career, he had senior day, but I mean, my God, his last double fig double-digit game was against Ohio State on February 21st, since then he's, you know, scored 55 65 5522, you know hasn't had a it's been months since he had a stroke I guess.
Yeah, Ohio State and Wisconsin back-to-back games where he hit multiple three-point shots. Like, this is a guy who for a while was really doing well. From three. I mean, a lot of that was that Syracuse game, but you know, that's another guy that has have to throw in there that I don't expect him to have another Breakout game like Syracuse, but if he could just go to 45 from three that would he would have done that today that would have that would have won the game as
well. I do think it's interesting. If you're looking at number Trends, his like, a lot of people have asked all season, like why is he playing as many minutes as he playing when he's not contributing offensively. Well, he hasn't been playing that much in the last three games. Like his Minutes, went way down in the Big Ten tournament. And look. I mean, they had to I mean, he'd because as much as I'd like to see Parker Stewart succeed, he's just not contributing, always
out on the floor, very much. He's put in some serviceable time and emergency defensive positions, but it's just, it's not there right now, and it's disappointing. And so that you're right. That is a guy, they just feels like that ship may have sailed. At this point. I could be wrong. Maybe he comes out as a big game in the NCAA tournament when he's playing against.
When teams different off at or different defenses that aren't as used to defending him at this point, but yeah, it's a big question mark from from my perspective. Matt blasket asks or what kind of states and asks, I thought what he did the best job he could with what he had he seems to know after the starters. It's going to be a slog. How does Woody manage this next weekend? Is Tamar get more minutes. So I here's the thing. I just I don't know that Tamar Bates is going to is the guy you
want to stick into an NCAA. A tournament game at this point. He just yes, he hit the three today and I appreciated that but there's all year. I feel like I you fans in general of had kind of backup quarterback syndrome with a lot of the roster where they assume that anybody that isn't playing is going to be better than the people that are playing.
And that's not to say that the people who have been playing have done well, but the idea that somebody is going to come off the bench and be able to really contribute. I think is probably fanciful at this point. I mean if Look at Bates, Bates is total contribution minute wise in the month of March, and this is five games. So far has been 17 total minutes, three points, one made shot at through five full games. And you know that he's not shot today and you saw that shot today.
That's right. And he's also not playing very good defense. He's he's just, he looks like a scared. Dear, when he's out there. He's Because he's constantly, he's jumpy. He's, he gets the ball and he immediately seems to think I got to go to the basket and score. I don't think that's the directions that he's been given by the bench.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that they're saying tomorrow whenever you get the ball just run towards the basket as quickly as you can and try to put it in and he's just not able to keep up defensively either. So Matt, I think my answer on this, you know, I think Woodson realizes at this point, he's got a short bench. He's got seven, maybe eight guys that he can regularly count on. Any given game and he's also got
two guys that are still injured. I mean, I don't think Rob fantasy is all the way back, you know, Rob only played 17 minutes today, felt like he could have played more. He didn't score. He was over to from the floor. Galloway putting Finn. I mean, just great defense from Rob. Yeah, you know, but I may just but he like he. But again, it's kind of like what we were talking about with some of the problems with the
roster. It's like you can't have guys that only contribute on one side of the floor. And I also think Rob is still Injured. I mean, you know and the same thing with Galloway who only played 21 minutes. So I wish I had a good answer on what we would see out of Mike. Woodson.
I think ultimately it's going to entirely depend on the matchups and this is where I think Indiana has to hope that they face off against the team that doesn't have a crap load of really effective guards, you know, because if they're playing against a team, that's really perimeter oriented that that shoots a lot of threes. That is, that is, you know, in any way like really hyper athletic.
I think that's going to spell a lot of problems for this Indiana team, just in terms of personnel, sets and matchups because they're eventually going to run out of guys in the backcourt. They can effectively play against those sorts of players, you know. So look at you, you've got to find a way to get good minutes like twenty to twenty five good minutes out of both Parker
Stewart and Miller cop. They have to make contributions if Indiana is going to win in the first round and if they do that it takes so much pressure off of your bench players. It allows you. To be a lot more situational with how you play Trey Galloway with how you play Rob fennessy, and it also gives you a little bit of flexibility, you know, to, with how you're going to handle the post positions as well. You know, Woodson's smart with
these matchups. I mean, you saw Michael dirr for a decent amount of time relatively speaking against Illinois. You didn't see him at all today, you know, so I think he'll know which strings to pull depending on who Indiana plays. I wish I had a clearer answer for you, but I think ultimately what they need is better minutes out of their starters. Release the ones that haven't contributed to the level of the big three that you talked about. You have any additional thoughts on this Scott?
Not about this now. Okay. So yeah, Dan Corral ask do we see a different outcome today? If Woodson made more use of his bench this year / 25 on the floor weren't so exhausted. No, I don't mean. I think you'd rather have had the Five Guys that you ended the game with exhausted. Then three of those guys those guys. Yeah. I just that's that's the that's the hand that was dealt this
year and It's unfortunate. It turned out this way, but there's not a lot of well, I think we've seen enough evidence at this point. Patrick asks, two-parter will I use defensive intensity carry over to the NCAA tournament or does the physical nature of Big Ten result? And I you getting in foul trouble. I honestly so on that front Scott. I'm curious your thoughts here. I feel like the NCAA tournament might be the best thing ever for are you?
Because they're not going to have to deal with with Big Ten. Officials who seem to think that Indiana is the only team that found Girls when they're out there on the floor, I do worry a little bit about Xavier Johnson in an NCAA tournament environment, but if they're lacks in their foul calling maybe that actually helps him instead of hurts him. Yeah. I mean I was the point that I yes the point that I want to say about Xavier Johnson, is he?
I've been so impressed by him. I think he gets, you know, 95% of the credit. You've got to give some credit to Woodsen. I would assume is also kind of shepherding him as a player but you know, early on you and I would joke we could kind of see See it like once Xavier got fouled, you could tell he was pissed that he immediately started searching looking to get another phallic. Just was putting trying to put the rest in a spot to make a tough call. Although it didn't go his way.
He got more pissed and you could just see teams like Saint. John's just getting into his head. It's like, oh wait, we own this guy? Like I'm getting space in your head. That doesn't happen anymore. You saw today. He got he had a foul against him. He was pissed and he kind of searched out a little bit of a foul but he kept within himself and he's done. I mean, it's been Six weeks now where he has just been very aggressive but focused aggression on the court and
aggression that we need. So I actually feel very I would hate to eat these words, but I'm comfortable saying it now. I'm very comfortable with our ability to stay out of foul trouble, because I think Xavier is going to be aggressive. He might get one foul. Might look pissed. He might go hunting a second foul.
But he's shown the ability to hit the e brake on himself and get himself back in line when he needs to and the rest of the Team, like we talked about earlier Tres Jackson Davis for the most part doesn't foul but he just isn't a guy who gets himself in a lot of foul trouble. Neither his race Thompson, you know, our problems were in some of those games officiated at Big Ten officials were traced Jackson Davis got to immediate fouls and rate. Xavier was pissed and he got fouled.
Like those are games. Like you said, I don't think we're going to have in the tournament. So I'm not as nervous about that and the credit has to go on the shoulder. Xavier Johnson, who is really threaded a very tough needle with playing. So aggressively and yet, within himself, and yet a lot of times on the razor's Edge because like even today he had two fouls and he knew starting the second half. If he gets to third foul. He's on the bench and never did.
I mean, so he's done an amazing job and I think we all have to honestly trust and Xavier. That's why it's funny watching with people who are probably less. I you fans that I am, you know, he'll do some plays like oh God, they'll get frustrated. It's like, hey, that's that's all part of the experience. But like in the end, it's going to be a plus. Us Plus for us.
So it's like, sometimes it's almost like the the movies like, you know, Tom Hanks does 3403 for us than one for him or he doesn't deserve a. It's like sometimes like, extras get to play for him. But just like, but he gives us eight. Really good plays. And so, he gets one for him. I am with you on that. It was funny. I was watching the Illinois game and X made some some questionable plays early and there was there were people at the place.
I was watching just kind of screaming, like, get this guy out. He's a disaster. I kind of turned around. I was like, no, no. No, this is part of the experience. Okay. It's almost like a ride at Disney, like it really? It's, it's really fascinating like the leave your hands and keep your hands in. That know, it's and and you just don't know what you're getting. But I will say in all seriousness, his contributions. During this Big Ten Tournament should go down as stuff of
Legend and IU basketball. Just, I mean, a because there's been so few legendary performances by You basketball players in the Big Ten Tournament, but you know, to wrap up with 21, assists over three games, you know, for a guard 14, rebounds. He went what 15 for 16 from the free-throw line, scored, 17, 13. And 20 points, played 27, 36 and 33 minutes had four steals only turn the ball over eight times over the course of three full games. I mean, that is, that is legendary stuff.
And that is, it's a shame that his efforts. Today, which I thought was exemplary was not rewarded with a victory because I think he deserved a chance to play on a bigger stage in the Big Ten Tournament than what he got to. He might well and and I will say like the thing that doesn't show up on the stat sheet is I really have to say he single-handedly change the attitude of this team.
I mean this team was kind of wandering and seemed a little bit of drift and it was like Xavier was playing at a level the last couple of weeks. The Big Ten were, it's like that guy. Is he cares? He really busting his ass. He's going hard. He On the Rutgers game. And the only thing I can just like he willed other guys to him. He's like, no, we're gonna play this way. Like we are, this is how we're going to play. Yeah, before we get to these final questions.
I wish we could get to all of them, but we do have some on the NCAA tournament when I get to, but just a reminder that we are sponsored by the power Rank. And in particular, the power rank has a new Podcast your bracket that you can help, the can help you with your bracket and and was just figuring out, what's going on here as the bracket gets revealed tomorrow and we start picking games but it's called bracket wisdom.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on how the trajectory of a program could change in three days and we kind of talked about this a little earlier, but I do think Scott that again. It's like internal and external momentum, but it's also this idea that now you get to play for something else.
And I do think that it's not just that I you played so well over the course of the last Three days and 12 games and and you know went right down to the wire with Iowa and the third but it really changes the entire narrative on the season. If you think about it, I was talking with somebody earlier and they were like, okay did we have we misread this team entirely? Or they actually a lot better than we thought they were. You look at the, you know, the
sum of the power rankings. Maybe not so much palm oil though. They're in the top 40 of Pomeroy now, but Haslam metrics, which I'm a big fan. Of and Bart torvik side of had Indiana and the top 25 for a while and they've gotten kind of derided. It's funny because Indiana has ended up being an analytics case. Study along with Virginia Tech of teams that were ranked, highly but didn't have a lot of wins to show for it. And it's like, well, is that
because the team isn't good? Or is it because they're just playing really good competition. And they're also unlucky. Both teams have gotten an opportunity now in the conference tournaments, to, to show what they can do.
And so So look, I think a lot of it to go back to the question is winning changes the narrative on so much and it if Indiana goes out and if they make the NCAA tournament, which I think they will, and if they, if they're able to win a game in the NCAA tournament, suddenly this whole season looks entirely different and maybe we don't even think about most of the things we're thinking about in January and February about this team yam.
It's a lot of stuff I talked about earlier, but we're in a weird spot where, you know, four days ago.
We were staring down the barrel of a pretty ugly offseason like, especially if that Michigan game, like I said, if we lose by 20 to Michigan, yeah, I think the offseason is going to be ugly and we're gonna have a lot of questions and it would have been a lot of you and I probably would have podcast so much, but it's not like I remember taking some time off, we talked about that, you know, but right now, we're at a point where I think
even if, you know, if we play tough and lose the first round of an 11-6 matchup, I think we're all kind of like, alright, that was a good. All right, we did, you know, mission accomplished. So to speak.
Like that was a season. Now, we can look at Adding for next year and there's an optimistic way to look at a lot of things and I think people will take that view and they have some reason to back it up. So yeah, maybe a couple wins Chase everything into your, you know, if they win a game or two in the tournament, you know, they're it that changing that really changes everything because then you have I guarantee among like I'll just throw out some names here
between you know, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, State, Purdue and Michigan State. All teams you would say had better Seasons that Us in the Big Ten. I don't think all seven of those teams are getting the sweet 16 like a couple of those not going to make it and so if you can get deeper in the tournament than them you have a wow, like that was a season.
Like, what was that? I mean, so you're at a point where a lotta guess a couple more wins really makes you look at everything differently, but I think what's interesting is we're at a point right now where I think that even if we lose our next game, I think that we go into the offseason in just A million percent, more positive manner than we were two or three days ago, which to me is is hugely important.
Based on, where I, you Athletics is what's happened with football and kind of the way the season felt like it was ending. We really really needed this. Yeah, let's get to the second part of that question from earlier, which is like what basically the question was what teams that I you might potentially play against do? They match up well with as so let Kalin question, let's go back to what you mentioned.
So 11 seed Of seed, I think that's likely where Indiana lands and rather the playing or are we going to date and or what do you think, look? So let me start with that. I think it's a really good place to start. I think that there there's just as good of a chance that Indiana will not be in the play-in game as will be in the playing game. And ultimately what it comes down to is we don't know for sure what the NCAA tournament selection committee will choose
to value or not value. Based upon the resumes of Teams and and this is where Bracketology gets confusing. Because you see lunardi pushed post. Something up and linearity is not even like JoJo's. Oh, he's a friendly guy. We've had him on the podcast before. He's not always very accurate with his actual bracket picking, you know. Some when I look at the guesses and that's all they are at. This point is guesses. A lot of them are predicated on
what specific criteria. The committee has chosen to use in the past and that's not always what they choose to. Who's in the present, you know, the the case for Indiana is very simple at this point that the the reason why they weren't considered in the field before we went into this last couple of days is that they were lacking in games. Wins wins away from home against good competition. Will guess what? They got two of them and they almost got a third. So, that's off the table.
It's why everybody's been saying look Indiana's in the question, then is, where do they rank? And at this point and the granted? I haven't completely updated everything. Thing that I did earlier today, I was, I was on a plane doing a bracket. That's when you know, you're a complete nerd, by the way, folks, if you're doing a bracket on a play, but, but as of this morning before the Indiana game, tipped off my last eight in, we're so the first four will be teams that would Escape Dayton.
And the last four would be teams would be in dated my last four in without the by we're Michigan, Indiana, Miami and Texas A&M and The top four teams in Dayton would be Notre Dame Oklahoma Rutgers and Virginia Tech. It's real tight though, because you could make an argument for Wyoming, you can make an argument for SMU who's playing right now. There were they're actually down for with, about a minute to go. That's a game.
You would Indiana would like to see SM you lose that game, you know, you can make an argument for a couple of other teams, but the big question is really if Indiana's and I think like I said, there's Safely and where do they rank? Are they ahead of Michigan? I think in some cases you could look at them and say, yes, they should be ahead of Michigan. In other ways. You could look at them. Say well, Michigan did slightly more with Rutgers.
I mean, Rutgers beat Indiana has better wins, but worse losses, you know, Miami's kind of in this boat where they've got a couple of really good wins, but their overall body of Works probably weaker than Indiana and they're worse than the predictive is the the power rankings and things like that.
And so that's where I don't. Totally know I have I really do think if I'm, if I had to put money on it right now as of 747 on Saturday before the draw, I think Indiana will be an 11 seed or a 12 seed, but not in a play-in game. So I think they're going to avoid Dayton with all that said. Then we have to look at okay, who are the potential five and six seeds? That Indiana might play. And who were they match up well against. So right now bracket Matrix kind of has a consensus where the 5S
are. Are in some order, Houston Yukon, st. Mary's and Iowa and then the six seeds are Texas, LSU, Alabama, Colorado State. Well, I got great news for you. Who's your fans? They're not going to play, Iowa in the first round, that's against the bracketing rules so we can take them off the table. The rest of the teams that I look at their, you know, they're hard to judge Apples to Apples to some degree, but I do think that from my perspective Indiana wants to avoid Names that are
like hyper good on offense. The Iowa's, the produce, it just those teams feel like very difficult for Indiana to stop. You know, I Houston's are really intriguing team. But I actually think they're really good on offense and gets a team. You'd like to avoid. I'd love it if they got LSU and that's not just because will Wade got fired? But that was like the ideal match of for Indiana. Another grinded team defensively or, you know, that can't score that much.
I think Indiana in their current Incarnation would Be a really that would be a really good matchup for Indiana in that round. I think Colorado state would be a really good matchup for Indiana in that route. If they indeed get up to a 6 seed because Colorado State. While they're good, and they're predictors are really good. I don't think there is good as their seating lines going to be, so I think there'd be some value there, you know, where, I think
Indiana would really struggle. I would worry about them against Saint. Mary's a little bit, not so much because of st. Mary's offensive efficiency, but the fact that st. Mary's shoots the three really well to shoot free throws really. Well, they do all the little offensive things that I would worry about a little bit with Indiana, but again, so much could change even between now and tomorrow. In terms of Micromanaging. What the seed lines are?
I am really curious to see how that plays out. But LSU's my dream opponent. Let's let's just try to lock that in and keep our fingers crossed that that's how it works out. And then with Houston the NCAA is going to put us in their bracket. Right? Like we got to have well, it depends like I could see a scenario where Houston's seated as high as a three or as low as a 5. So it you know, if it's a situation where there are there are three and Indiana's and 11 sure but That's almost an
incidental matchup. I do think that would be fun. I think a team like Texas Tech would be a really interesting matchup for Indiana in the second round. But I'm more worried about whoever the first round is going to be for Indiana at this point. I will also say this as somebody who's thinking about possibly going, there's a lot of sites that are relatively close for Indiana fans to go to, and it does feel like there's a little bit of momentum.
You know, it looked like game Bridge had a lot of Indiana fans, you know, at the bar was that had a lot of Indiana fans. They're like, I think there's momentum for people to go to these games that you look at it. It's like okay. Buffalo is not great. I would be shocked if they're playing in Indianapolis. That's not gonna happen. But you know, Fort Worth is not illogical, Greenville, South Carolina, Milwaukee pittsburgher. All those are all pretty easy drives for Indiana fans.
The only two that are tough are Portland, Oregon and San Diego which might be fun for me to go to with my son. But it feels like it looks like I have this feels like a year, we get shipped out there. It's like that's kind of where well, he's get shipped but But I mean, ultimately, this is where the for, for a team like, Indiana, who would be like an 11 seed. You are really like, at the
mercy of every. Yeah, so let's let's take the, the idea that Indiana being eleven seat what that what would happen then is, you're going to get stuck in the region that is favorable to the three seed that they've decided to use as the primary bracketing for that region. So, you know, like the in my most recent bracket, I had, Indiana Is an 11 playing LSU who was a six Houston was the three.
And that was in Portland. Not because that was advantageous for Houston. But because by the time Houston gets their assignment, there's nothing else left. Everything? You both Fort Worth sites or taken greenville's taken. So they end up getting shipped out there. Now you could just as easily. I mean, you look at the other the other three seed pods, they could easily get stuck in Pittsburgh.
Which again I think as you said would be good, you know, the And the other one that we had was Fort Worth. I was Texas Tech. I mean Michigan was the 11 seed in that region that could just as easily be Indiana. So the I think the only way I would count on at this point. If I'm an IU fan is that you're not going to be in Indianapolis and you have almost an equal shot of being in any of the other brackets provided you're not in the play-in game to start
with. Yeah, but like I said, I think outside of probably Buffalo Portland and San Diego. You could have a pretty good Indiana. Crowley. This is, I will Echo. What Trace Jackson Davis said, this is probably a team. I wouldn't want to face, right? If I must succeed, like it's like you're going to have again. Let's just say the games in Pittsburgh or Greenville. I think you're going to have a
good Indiana contingent there. Me Indiana, fans, do travel when they're fired up a really travel, you know, and it's like this is a tough 11. See this is not a team. I would want to play if we were a 60 but that way now, I think I think there's a lot to that and ultimately, you know, the big ask for Indiana at this point is that they have They have to get the weather to figure out a bottle, what they did this past
few days and carry that forward. And that's ultimately kind of goes back to the questions that God asked of us earlier. Indiana has to come out with that type of fight. I think they've got a great chance against whoever they play in the first round because they're not going to be used to playing a defense as good as Indiana's. If Indiana steps up and really plays well. And Trace Jackson Davis, who has been anchored. To these Defenders that he's had to go up against in the big tent
for so long. We'll get an opportunity to work with a lot more space with players that don't know what his moves are necessarily or at least won't be able to effectively stop them. That has a lot of potential positive benefits, but it's so much of it with this Indiana team, ultimately comes down to effort and attitude, their own self belief. And if if we can take what they did the last few days and just extrapolate that forward.
Yes, I think a victory is certainly a potential thing that Indiana. I could come away with in the NCAA tournament may be more than one but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'm just excited to be watching the tournament. I don't Sunday like my son. Grayson you you know is six years old. This June he wasn't born the last time I did this where I was like watching it like think excited to see where we're going. Yeah. No, it's actually it is really exciting.
You know, my you know, my daughter who's six was not born. The last time. Indiana was in the NCAA tournament. It's It's a really. It is exciting. It is exciting to see the level of potential experience that Indiana is going to have here and this is we talked about this for, you know, several times. Now you if you're going to start building fans back and getting people really excited about the program. Again. These are the sorts of opportunities that help that and look.
Yes. I know it's probably going to be an 11 seed, maybe a 12 seed. You got to start somewhere and getting back. Back in the tournament just it, it changes the narrative on IU basketball and where it's going going into the offseason like having to deal with an nit bid. And, you know, being in a situation where you felt like you crash landed at the end of the season and everything fell apart. That's a real hard narrative to overcome. And now you don't have to do
that. Now it's gravy like if they go to the NCAA tournament, there going to be an underdog and okay. So be it if they lose in the first round. You pull off an upset in the first round now. The Narrative changes even more real gravy. It is, it's great. It's it is, it's biscuits and gravy at that point and this is the end with this because I have dinner with the kids. Yeah, but it is what it is with this.
Like this is, this is what's so annoying about, where we've been, but where I want to be is, you know, if you put us into that again, this put us in as an 11 seed, you have to be 26, but you know, this is where Not all tournament, runs are equal. And at this point, I don't care. You don't need to beat. You know, what was it like Arizona in like 97? You'll be tall. Number one seeds to win their title. It's like that happens
sometimes, right. And then other times you win the, the bracket Lottery and like, you know, Loyola Chicago is there like you just, you know, you don't have to play Virginia's. The once, you know, it's University of Maryland Embassy. Like there's a world where whoever our Theo Texas Tech losses and some of your playing New Mexico state and then maybe, I mean, who knows? Maybe the two Is that bracket me?
Like there could be a path where you just have a magical run where you don't play anybody, tough to Italy date. And it's like, then you're just like Hey, we're playing Duke. And if we win, we're going to a final four. I think you can make a legitimate argument that what jump-started Wisconsin's Dynasty or whatever you want to call is
not really a dynasty. It's like a petty Kingdom but whatever, like the, what would jump started, that was being an eight seed in 2000 and knocking off Stanford out of the blue as a Uncie and getting all the way to the final four. And then they do, obviously, they lost to Michigan State at that point, but it was like, Hey, Wisconsin basketball, not a joke anymore and would like one or two season exceptions.
They have been good for 20 years since then now, granted, a lot of building went on as a result of that, Bo Ryan is a generational coach, but one good tournament appearance can change the entire narrative a program. And so that's the exciting thing. And maybe this starts for Indiana in the Big Ten Tournament, if we're getting way ahead of ourselves. Was, I'm not totally sure, but it's exciting to be able to talk about it.
Scott. I'm happy to be able to talk with you about it and we'll look forward to talking with you folks about it. Again. We will, we might do a very brief thing tomorrow where we talk about the draw and then tomorrow night. Yeah. Well, let's plan on that. So just keep an eye on the Pod feed. If you're not subscribed yet. Go ahead and subscribe on. ITunes, Crimson cast, on Spotify. Whatever, we'll have a brief thing. That'll drop tomorrow night as we talk about.
Hopefully, Indiana being in the NCAA tournament. I will say this, if they're in the NIT, we're not talking. We're just gonna over the post, a picture of a puppy on Twitter and that will be the podcast. But I will be, I will be shocked if we're not talking about where Indiana's playing in the NCAA tournament. Come this time tomorrow night. So yeah, I will be traveling to Bloomington for nit.
But I I'm looking forward to a pod tomorrow night where I can tell you what my travel plans might be. So I want to go. I got just I'm kind of like this. I I feel like I've I'm ready to go. I'm even ready to be heard. Again, all right. Let's make it happen. Alright, folks, well for Scott. I'm Galen. Thanks for joining us. Once again, Hoosiers. Great week in Indianapolis, and hopefully that continues in the NCAA tournament this next week. He is Scott.
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