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No, no, no, it's okay. Well, we have, we'll just, we'll just ignore know, Indiana losses. And man. It's it's a rough one to say the least not the same way that the previous week was rough and you know, it's funny. I, we had at least one person on Twitter. Say, you know, we need a full-throated angry Galen podcast after this. I just don't have it in me at this point.
Not not, because I'm trying to pull punches but I nothing that happened in that game against Minnesota was the least bit surprising to me like it played out. Not quite the The way that I was going to play out in my mind, they actually started with a little bit of fire.
I was happy to see that but they lose 35 to 14 at home to Minnesota and it's, it was indicative of every ill that we've seen crop up with this team for the course of the Season. You know, the offense was, you know, had a good first drive because they were reading the script and and the script went well and there were some good plays that were made some good bro. And plays that were converted into things that actually
worked. I think Minnesota was taking a little off guard, by some of the Wildcat looks and the Jet sweeps and so forth, but they adapted very quickly. And meanwhile, you know, once the offense stopped, producing the defense, lost some faith and Minnesota, who is not a great team, but had a decent game plan that they just stuck to. They didn't let the opening things bother them, they just rolled over Indiana and Anna looked more and more in-depth as
the game went along. And this has been essentially, you know, the when I think about the Rutgers game, I think why I was so angry. And I think you were in the same boat was, there was always that hope in the back of your head that against a really poor opponent. Like, you know, not an Ohio State, not a Michigan, maybe Indiana at home, would be able to find something, and for them to come out and just play. So poorly and just have so little fight. That Rutgers game that was
really a source of anger. This game, we already knew that could happen. And so, the sting was gone of it, and I guess that's why I'm not quite as angry. I'm still very, very, very concerned about the state and the direction of the program right now, Scott.
But I'm not hopping mad the way that I was last week because nothing about that, surprise me. Yeah, I'm very much in a similar boat, you know, the other way to look at this, as I was talking to some friends last night about the other side of the coin is, like, man, is it? It can't be that much fun, being at Ohio State fan, just like winning every single Big, Ten game. I've got to get boring.
I'm sure it does like, you know, they probably get complacent, and, but on the flip side, like, that's where I'm at. Like now that I've, we're losing every game, it's like, I was pretty angry after the minute after the Maryland game and the Rutgers game. Because those felt like winnable games. And I also knew that if we lost those two and ten was going to be the result of this, like,
this is kind of a fait accompli. I'm I'm not as angry because I was expecting this and we were up 7, nothing. It's like all right. Well, when's the bottom going to fall like it'll fall out. Like let's just go ahead and lose the game and let's just hope it's quick. And let's run the boss clock and move.
Yeah, I mean I'm kind of and like this is You know, again it's not the IU. Football's job to theoretically worry about what fans think, but it is because they got to put butts in seats that, you know, this is, I think a lot of fans are in the spot where we're at, which is a very bad place to be
as a program. As I'm just kind of checked out like I mean I watch the game but I'm like I know I'm not disappointed because I had no expectation going into it, that we would do anything to win and even we're up, I'm not really that excited because I know we're not going to be able to complete it and they they met my expectations as low as they were in. That's not good.
I mean this is not a good place to be where were we lose a pretty winnable Big 10 game at home and we're kind of like like that's I'm not angry. Yeah. I mean there were certainly a lot of things when you take the result out of it and you focus on some of the individual items, I think there were a lot of things to get angry at one thing, I'm pissed about that. I can that I can go with please.
All right, I was thinking about this this morning which is I woke up and I'm laying in bed thinking about what we're going to talk about, which is probably the most unhealthy thing. Wow! Just no, wait, I've got some great, a I guess. I'm great therapists, I can put you in touch with sorry, go on please. Yeah, I know, the Kurds and cats getting way too closes.
Crimson cats after dark, we should call this It's the, the end of the first half of play call like, now, I'm gonna be honest with myself and and always, like, fair, I like going for it. I mean, I've, I've been saying this against the other Michigan game. I hate the fact we basically just took a knee and went to halftime. So I'm not angry that they went for it and they're trying to get something on a possession I hate giving away possessions, so I'm fine that they went for the
play, call is a little bit iffy. What I really don't like. Is they come out? They run a play, they look confused. Do they call timeout? And it's like they're like when you call timeout with 40 seconds ago. I know as a defense you're going to come out. You're not calling timeout to then, come in and deal that come in the Neil. Your you saw something that you want to run a play.
But you see this with this team where it's like, everything seems so scripted, so controlled and it's like, oh, we got to call timeout because we had to do this, we get like, how have you not run a two-minute drill in practice? I know McCullough is a freshman but he's also not a Eight years old like he's not my son playing football like you could have three reads. Like hey Run play at you got that stupid effing board with four pictures on it.
Make one of them a play that you could run where you're not always having to script to the other team that hey we're about to run a play because we're going to call timeout in a situation where normally you would just Neal. You know, I haven't seen as many games in person this year because I've kind of not been going to the games as much, but I saw this in the Iowa game way back to the beginning part of the year. We would come out. We stop. We look at the we come back
down. And look at the look at the coach come back. We have our play and immediately Iowa's, linebackers started shifting to almost exactly where we ran the ball. And I said after that game, it's like it look like we're tipping our plays off.
I've never been doing it all year and I think we do it because of the way that we go about things where it always looks like, we're just like we're surprised by the situations that happen on offense and it's so annoying because on defense, this is What makes our defense so good? It was so good. Last year. Is they ran tons of Blitz packages from different angles?
Different start points like the defense looks like it knows what it's doing in that respect, running plays and kind of running sneak plays to me, that was a perfect encapsulation of what's wrong with our offense is. It's always surprised by the situation like, oh, we could run a play here at 40 seconds, like will share my call time out and it's like that just anyway. And again the throw was awful like that was going to be intercepted like none of that.
I don't want to get to on it because it's like Whether timeout, no timeouts. That would have been not the right call. I love. I'm okay with him going for it. I'm fine with him, throwing a touchdown. I being a an interception, I'm fine with it, but I don't know. I just I hate the way that all went down to me. It's indicative of a team that doesn't seem to be able to make decisions on the fly on offense and they end up telegraphing. Everything to the other team.
Yeah, no. I mean there's a lot to be said for what you just complained about there is a clear lack of Perception on offense about what's going on at any given time. And, you know, I'm actually so I did. I'm in the same boat with you. I didn't have a problem with them trying to move the ball down the field and kick the field goal.
You know, it's funny because Alan basically like apologized for doing it to some degree in the Press comms are so that he was to blame for it and our friend, dr. Hoosier mentioned on Twitter after that quote, of course, we took the exact wrong lessons out of that play. It's, it's so true, it's not okay. It's not that it's not that the ball got intercepted. It was that the play had no chance of living like the moment that they started running the play and they roam won't
McCauley out to the right. It's like there's nothing there and this is absolutely indicative not just of what you described an offense that can't read defenses and can't figure out what it's supposed to do. It's also indicative of a passing game. That is the worst passing game I've ever watched in. Deanna uniforms. I mean, it is you've got receivers running routes that
aren't getting them open. You've got receivers running routes past the point where the quarterback can effectively throw the ball as we saw with the second interception, we're McCully under through the receiver by a good five yards and it was easily picked off. You've got A situation where McAuley is being forced to run out of a pocket that was never particularly stable in the first place.
And instead of planting and being able to get something decent off, he's being asked to make a play that a lot of Veteran, quarterbacks have trouble making. And, you know, you can certainly blame McCully for throwing the ball and he should have just thrown out of bounds or something, but he was put in a position once again, in this offense where he's asked to do something that he can't do.
And it put the team in Peril and put the defense in a position where now it has to try to stop a last-second drive. When you've given the other team, the ball back because of the fact that it was a bad play call and apply called it couldn't be properly executed and I keep coming back to that and I talked about it last week. I talked about it in the pregame, this offense is just so, so bad.
It is so incapable of achieving Even basic things and you know yes there have been some injuries you've had to you had three four different quarterbacks I guess. But when you look at the way that the offense has been put together regardless of the quarterback that's been out there. It's almost as if the play calls have been independent of, who's throwing the ball. It's been independent of what personnel sets have been out on
the field and it's been bad. All the way through the season with the exception of the two games or the three games. I guessed against teams that have defenses that are incapable of stopping anybody. Most of the time that being Idaho Western Kentucky and Maryland. And the, the just it was laid bare in this game that opening drive, much like the opening drive against Ohio, State Indiana seems to know what they're supposed to do. They don't have to think about it.
And then, the moment that they have to start thinking about what they're doing, not just the players, but the coaches who are making the play calls, everything goes to hell. And what what that's resulted Is a season where I you is now averaging 18 point two points per game, which folks that's terrible. That is the worst points per
game. That Indiana has a football program has had since 2003. And it would, it be if you took out just Idaho, I have been too frightened to do those calculations Idaho in. Maryland, it's probably lack. Well, the computers, like does not compute. This can't be a power 5 team. Sorry and you Formula. I've been harping on this for a while, and I was harping on this
before. The statistics got truly bad, which they've gotten here over the last couple of weeks, Indiana with that last touchdown, that they threw in this game, you know, first of all, I do want to say congratulations, and and good job to Malachi Holt Bennett.
Who catches, his first touchdown pass that play came at the very beginning of the year, if I would have given you odds of who's who, what why receiver is touch Cuts catching the first Down and how many wide receivers catch a touchdown before fry Fogle and what game does it happen? Like your. Well, you couldn't get blowed out of won't it be fitting on, you know, to be clear.
It's who caught the first touchdown as a wide receiver in Big, Ten play because, yes, you had fry Fogle and I think it was was either sweating or Marshall caught touchdown passes in the Idaho game against an FCS opponent. But the first touchdown reception for a wide receiver
for Indiana football. In Big Ten play happened with 22 seconds left in the The eighth game of the Big Ten season and that was important, not just for that reason, but that touchdown has put Indiana in a position now where they will not set the record in the new 14-team big 10-4. Worst offensive performance for a team through a 9 game schedule. The the 2016 Rutgers team scored 86 points through the nine games that they played. Indiana has now scored 87 points through.
Eight games, they still have to score 14 points to best. The second worst offensive performance in the 14-team nine-game. Big Ten schedule. That was also a Rutgers team. I think 2018 who scored 100 points through nine games so they can score 14 points. They'll get to 101 and they'll avoid being the second team on that list, but it just illustrates how bad this offense is, and it's fascinating to me. And maybe more fascinating.
I guess it's just disturbing, you know, Tom Allen ends up getting asked about things in the postgame press conference. And he goes on this, I don't know if rant is the right word, but he talks for quite a while about Donovan McCully and throwing the football or not throwing the football and how well you're not a dual threat quarterback. If you aren't throwing the ball or you're not side of dual-threat play, if you're just running the ball, there's no dual there and he's right. Right?
But he says on more than one occasion in the postgame press conference, we have to throw the ball more, as if he doesn't have control over, whether or not Indiana, throws the ball more. That's the thing I find the most fascinating, it's like, you know, I certainly on the surface agree with him. Yes, you have to throw the ball, Indiana finished the first half with as many passing yards seven as they had points. And in that first half, I think they threw the ball.
I think there were what four attempts in the first half. I think I have that number, right? And there was one completion, McAuley finished the game 3 for 7 for 17 yards, an average of two point, four yards per attempt with two interceptions. So I guess technically he was, he did complete five passes, it was just two of them were to the wrong team. How is that? But first of all, we've I think we've contributed as much as Can to the what is Nick Sheridan doing fund?
We've been asking that question like literally since last year this year, it's gotten worse and worse. But I now have to ask myself, what is Tom Allen doing? Because if the emphasis is on throwing the football, which it should be because it's 2021 like this is It's, you know, at one point I was thinking about it yesterday like seven yards of passing and a half would have been an embarrassment, you know, in the Pre-World War 2 era of college football.
Like you know you would have given yourself away as a team that was just totally uninterested in passing the ball at that stage. You are the head coach. You have to have enough control over things. You have to put. If I got if it's, if it's the quarterback and it was hard to tell with Alan's comments specifically whether he was being critical of McCully, whether he was being critical of Sheridan, whether he's been critical of both was probably more of that as it was mentioned
in the Indy star. I I think it was a situation where he was being overly critical of McCully because McCully is an 18 year old kid. He's a freshman. He wasn't supposed to play this year but regardless of that, if he can't throw the ball, you have to put somebody in that can throw the ball and, you know, he they bring Grant Gremlin in the fourth quarter and Grumble through the wall.
I mean, you know, he grumbles not perfect and I'm certainly, I was, you know, I wouldn't advocate for Grenville under normal circumstances but It's very strange that all of a sudden Grandma comes in and I think in two possessions went 5 for 12 for 60 yards and a touchdown. So it just it's less about the lack of passing that's a huge issue. But to me now I'm asking myself. Why does why does Tom Allen exercising? So little control over, what's going on on the field that he's
in the press conference saying? Well we need to pass the ball more. It's like maybe bring that up in a meeting or put it in a memo or something. I mean I'm just perplexed. Next more than anything else by that press conference and by the performances, over the last couple of weeks, how Indiana's offense has been allowed to get to the point that it's gotten too because it's not all
injuries. The other thing that I took from that press conference and we're picking nitpicking here things but I mean, hey you said it Alan had a comment where it's like, you know, mcculley's picking the run too many times in the RPO and then it like that. I'm like, you're the coach, like I've seen a lot at, like, the little bit I've seen from McCullough, he doesn't seem like the player at Whatever he is 18,
19 years old. I don't think he's just telling alen to f off and he's making his own plays. Like he's not Cam, Newton out there being like a coach, like I got an MVP under my belt, I got this. Like I have a feeling that McCulley is probably doing what you've taught him to do over the course of the week. You could say to him at some point on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Hey on this RPO, you pull the ball back to yourself and then you throw it?
Well, and the part I mean, or or just go to your offensive. Do your play caller and say we're not running anymore rpos because right? When we're giving the quarterback the option, he's not taking the right option. Most of the time that's a perceptional issue run. I know this is a wild concept Scott but if you want to throw the ball, maybe call some Slants. Like maybe call some short passing yard plays, maybe maybe call things that are going to get the ball out relatively
quickly, easy reads. I mean, this is again to and this is where I keep keep coming back to this idea of what is going on with the organizational structure of this team. I know, maybe it sounds like I'm being harsh, but I mean everybody else was mentioning it, we might as well.
Also if your offense is running rpos and you've got an 18 year old kid, who was playing against high schoolers as recently as a year ago today you need to probably simplify things a bit and what makes it even weirder is you put the walk on in and you're not having to walk on. Do a lot of rpos, he's running relatively In Channel offense. What what am I missing something
here? And and this is what I brought up a couple times with McCauley that I tread lightly because I don't think it's McCully and he's 1890s young. I don't want to get on him but it's like his senior year in high school, he threw the ball, 199 times he threw for 2,500 yards in high school. Two touchdowns a game. He had a quarterback rating of 140 in high school so he can throw like he knows how to play. Play football.
I was while you were talking looking for Gremlins, High School staff there unfindable, at least for me in a couple like I found his Twitter page that he squats, 300 pounds and benches 200. It's awesome better that I can do. Shout out Grandma butts like I don't know what his stats are, but he comes in and he's chucking the ball. It's like he looks like he has a better arm than Macaulay. I don't think that can be the
case, based on the way. They were ranked in high school but people who actually watch them. But yeah, like it's that idea of a What are we what kind of offense re putting together here to get this done? And then also like just the drive chart by the way. Great ironically Grumble had worse High School stats. If I'm reading this correctly his I think it was his junior year he threw for 100 or excuse me 1228 yards, four touchdowns
passing 13 interceptions. But six rushing touchdowns anyway go ahead one and that's the thing. It's McCulley comes in as this highly way to recruit, he obviously through a bunch of Passes. Like I've said this a bunch of times in spot.
I understand college is faster than high school, but other teams have other quarterbacks that are well regarded that are able to make this transition to. Like at least throw more than 15 yards, a game like they're able to at least put together an offense that suits their quarterback. Even if they are true freshman, we're not the first University to ever put a true freshman out there to Miley quarterback and
we're also how they. Yeah, we're also not the first University to have injury issues. I mean this is This is the thing that I keep, that gives frustrates me so much is yes. There have been injury issues and yes you could certainly even say that penix coming into the season. Being injured was an indie was an injury issue that this team has had to deal with but I'd like to note a couple of things. I was talking with some folks
about this yesterday. Remember the beginning of the season, one of the reasons why people were so excited about Indiana, was the amount of content that was coming out talking about how good this team looked on offense, how Michael penix had never looked better. You know, the receivers had talked about that a Big Ten media day. We got no indications from the coaching to the coaching staff named him the starter like a couple of weeks before the
season started. There was no indication that there were any injury issues and Tinley, he looked mentally fragile in that game versus Iowa but the larger issue was that the offense looked terrible and so it feels like to some degree. Yes, I know, DJ Matthews went out injured, but the offensive line hasn't had any major injuries that have completely changed the way that it does business.
You know, you had a running back group that looked fairly strong coming into the year and you have wide receivers. One was an All-American candidate, you had other wide receivers that had shown some promise. It's it's all part of the same thing and now we're talking about McCulley not doing this or not doing that, it's the system, it's not the pieces because we've changed a lot of the pieces and the system is still crap. The thing about this system I'll say is, you've seen this in a
couple of games. They have their first drive 14 plays six minute drive for 92 yards results in a touchdown they have their final two drives of the of the game nine plays for 29 yards but it's Drive not bad. Then a seven play drive for three minutes and they score a touchdown. They're doing things in those bookend drives that you don't see the rest of the game. You saw us against Michigan. You solving its Maryland.
It's like, they have these couple of drives like, oh, there we go, like oh we're throwing the, we're running plays. Like let's do more of that and then we don't. And then so I between our first drive and our second to last drive, we had eight possessions of those eight drives. Most of them were like there was one drive that had more than three plays. That was a six play eight yard drive that lasted for three minutes. We had the ball 23 to 23 minutes in the game. 12 minutes was
between those two drive. You take out the six minute drive. The through the two minute and 30 minute drive of the end of the games, we had the ball for 11 minutes, we had eight drives, only one was more than three plays and that somehow we had a six play drive that at eight yards. If that, that was the one drive that we had six towns, only got eight yards. Like and this is what's insanely.
Eating is to me, it's like, you have to pin this on the coaching staff because you will see them come out and run these drives where they're playing, they're running plays. You haven't seen all gave and it's working and they're moving the ball and then they'll come out and do five straight drives of rpos, run up the middle and just doing shit that isn't working. And that's, that's the really frustrating part is again. I didn't play at this level.
I didn't coach this level, but I can see things that work. I can see things that don't and it seems like we do the things that don't work. Percent of the time. Yeah. And look there's not a whole lot else to say about the game. It's the same story you've seen over and over again, what I'm curious to ask you, you were there. I was there. What was the, you know, I saw a couple of crowd shots when they were punting. Like, what was the? I don't want to get into crowd at all.
That, that was I'm curious. What was the the tenor of the fan base there? Like the enthusiasm, like what was it like to be there? Well, I mean, people were excited on that first exchange. They were excited about the goal. Line stand wasn't pure. We a goal-line stand, but the Red Zone stand and they were excited when the good team of the ball down the field, and I think there was a cautious optimism. And then, you know, Minnesota went down and scored.
And that wasn't that much of a surprise and then things just settled, I think back into the the same stance that most of us have gotten used to, when you're in the stands, where it's like, well, we're just waiting for the Anvil to drop and the Anvil dropped on that interception, you know, with the return. And then the couple of plays that got Minnesota, the touchdown, it's like, oh boy, here we go. That's So, it was not, it wasn't a hostile crowd.
It was, it was a crowd, I think that was there. And, you know, the people that decided to show up and that there were, it wasn't the worst IU crowd I've ever seen. Like, some of those mid-2000s crowds were significantly, worse than this one. It was one of those. Probably Twenty Eight. Twenty nine thousand people in the actual building, but it was just, I think the people that were there, really wanted to celebrate the seniors.
Really were hoping that I you in their last home game in the season that started off Off with such promise, was going to maybe muster something from the depths that would lead them to being able to succeed at a higher level and it just it was clear relatively quickly that that wasn't going to happen. And any chance that it might happen was doused pretty quickly at the beginning of the second half. So it was just really more disappointment than anything
else. I know, I talked to a lot of people in the tailgate lots and it was just, it's largely just kind of not confusion, because I think everybody, Dan's what's going on. But it was more just like a resignation, like gosh, I can't believe this happened, and it's hard to reconcile the optimism in the excitement that existed at the beginning of this season. With that atmosphere of resignation, you and I know that atmosphere of resignation among
the IU fanbase. It's, it's essentially the standard mentality that I you football has generated and its fans for many years. But it was, I think heightened by the The fact that there were so many expectations and I think there's just some confusion about how it got so bad, so quickly with this IU team and you know, I mean, I'm reading a lot into what I felt people were looking at, but that's how it felt throughout most of the pregame and certainly for the
game as well. One more thought on just the expectations coming in, you know, and this is again, the other frustrating part for me, is we've stacked three or four really good recruiting classes. For I you back to back to back
and like, this is always. We talk about like what It's Ohio State. Different is like when you know, when their version of Taiwan, Mullen goes out, they have another Taiwan Mullen just come in like, hey, we got another five-star at safety like, what do you know it sucks to be us? You know, it felt like we were not going to be at that level, but it did feel that like we had built a better base underneath the the crust so to speak. That have guys went down, or
guys got tired. You would have at least a you wouldn't suddenly dropped like, you know, out of power, 5 level players like you actually She would be able to compete at that level against the Rutgers Maryland's. Minnesota's, that's the other frustrating part where this year, when you talk about injuries, I guess we've had a couple injuries, but it feels like we've lost the, you know, you lose Taiwan moments like. All right. We have no one, no one who could even play at a high level.
That it's like how have we gone? Three straight recruiting classes and we don't have anybody who's even like showing glimpses of lykos freshman, looks like he can play like and McCully. Again I hate he's another example where it's like he's he looks unplayable and I don't think it's him and It's like, where's the development? Like how on all levels that we lose our number one, starter at everything? And then it's like, we're just
we're done at that position. It's well, doesn't make any sense, that's that's kind of what I was getting at earlier with the system comments. I mean, it's it because I really I don't think that I think there's a combination of things I think earlier, on, in the season There was, at least some residual idea of how to effectively play in these systems, regardless of, who was out there, and that is gradually devolved. And I think a lot of it. I mean, it's just scouting by opposition.
Like, the few things that I, you was doing well, or on tape, they've gotten figured out and now when I you goes to do them, everybody knows, I mean, it was, it was clear on so many of those offensive plays and this was happening in game when, you know, the Minnesota was confused on the early running plays. Because Indiana was doing things that we hadn't seen them. Do the coaching staff looked at it.
I will idea. They looked at it they said, oh, I bet Indiana's gonna do exactly this on the next drive and they did and you go back. And you think about the that second drive that Indiana had, you know, they they tried a, you know, McCully ran to the right. I think it was the right, 46 yards. So it's second and four.
Then they try to run Poindexter. And he gains our yard and then they try to run Poindexter again and he gains a yard and that's it. And then you go to the next drive that Indiana has and they do now, it's a tie game, they run McCully, 43 yards, and who knows, maybe it was supposed to be a design run, maybe it was supposed to be an RPO. Then the second Drive, McCully does something we've already seen and the Minnesota defense is like, wait, we know about
this. We're going to snap this out and they did and they tackle McCulley behind the line of scrimmage. And then on another what I assumed, Supposed to be our PO on a third and 10. I think that was the player. Mcculley's rolling out to the right and I was herb Minnesota's right there. I said Iowa because the same thing happened to the Iowa game. It was like, this is the issue, is that I know you get past it from quarterbacks different teams and get past those
scripted plays. And suddenly you've got a grill, clear sense of what Indiana's plan is going to be. And there is no plan B. There is no. Oh, here's the other bag of tricks. We're going to reach into and you know, I watch college football enough that most teams are planning three or four games ahead, they're executing things in ways where there's at least some misdirection and to go back to something. You said earlier, there is such little Subterfuge with this IU
team, they are so reliant. On asking somebody else to tell them what to do on things. And there's there doesn't seem to be a decision tree other than do this.
And if this doesn't work do this, they don't you go back to the Kevin Wilson Arrow. We were sometimes critical of Wilson's, they would constantly be looking at the sidelines and and but when they did run plays, they had a pretty good sense of where they were supposed to go if this happened or where they're supposed to go. Oh, if this happened and none of
that seems to be existent now. And even if it was a little bit earlier on in the season, it's been snuffed out because opposing defenses, have watched film and know exactly what I use doing, and it's very frustrating. It's gotten less frustrating because it's just something that we assume is going to happen now. But it is still o straights how bad like how inadequate this offensive scheme is. And they'll, you know, the yes you've had Personnel, leave or you've had Personnel, get
injured. But that calls up a whole nother set of questions. I don't. Look at those as excuses for the offense. I look at that. And I say, why? Like, you look at the running back room. Yes, you lose. Stephen. Carr, Stephen Carr. Was not that effective when he was in the games. Like he had one really good game in that, Maryland game. And the rest of the time, he wasn't running for a lot of yards.
He was constantly struggling to get even back to the line of scrimmage in. A lot of cases, you have a receiving Corps that as we have covered Ad. Nauseam has looked completely. Impotent, has looked incapable of getting open, has looked incapable of doing things. When they do get open, you that quarterbacks, whether it's any of the four quarterbacks that have been out there for, I you that have not been able to get the bowl.
All to those receivers any of it, an offensive line that's been incapable of walking, any of the plays that I just described that. So your question about like, why is there such a big drop off? Again, I think comes back to this the basic issue of the offense that these players are playing in is not working. Now defensively, I think it's a little bit of a different story because I think that the defense that's where the injuries to me have really hurt throughout the
course of the game. You know, you don't have a whole host of players in this game. You know, you lose Josh sanguinetti, do an injury on top of all the other people that you've lost you lost. You lost cam Jones for a couple of possessions because of an injury. I mean there were other injuries that popped up that defense has shown an individual ability to turn it on. They obviously did so on that first drive. But they, that is where I think the lack of depth has hurt.
And I also think that that's where the mentality issues that this team has had have really shine through and And frankly, you know this also has shaded over into special teams, you know, the offense has been so bad that we've to some degree ignored how bad the special teams have been this year. You know, the field goal kicking has been okay. The punting game has not been particularly good, the return
games have been non-existent. I mean, the it's like we there's not even a thought about returning kicks. There's, you know, part Returns the rare times that we've seen punts over the course of the last several games. Have been non-threatening by and large. We should we just go for the block and they even have a guy to return and you know so there's it's really it's easy to pin it all on the offense but it's been a systems failure in
other areas as well. And look these things do tend to snowball, you do get two situations where things start to go badly and then everything starts to go badly. So it is it's hard to separate what was bad strategy and what was bad coaching versus what was just the cumulative effects of losing. Going and getting your brains bashed in on a regular basis. You know, after a while that does have an overwhelmingly negative effect on the mentality
of the guys playing. But but it just drives home. The larger point that what we've watched here is a disintegration of this Indiana football team, like it's hard to reconcile. And that we had a question on this in the pregame show for this game. It's hard to reconcile the team that fought back against Ohio State last year. And made that a game and made Ohio State nervous. Even if he'll never admit it, it's hard to reconcile that team with the team that has been on the field at home.
The last couple of weeks like they don't even look like they're in the same division as each other and to me that's become the much larger concern. Yes, they lost to Minnesota. Yes, they played really poorly Minnesota was the superior team. But what happened to Indiana football between last November
and this? Burr is something we really need to learn more about because it's it's it's troubling at this point like I'm like to the point that you know for a while I'm thinking well they're just going to lose all of the good game. The team's the games against good teams that they're playing
this year. Now they've gotten blown out at home by Rutgers. They've gotten blown out at home by Minnesota. You would be foolish not to assume that they're going to get blown out on the road against a Purdue team that still has an outside chance of going to the Big Ten title game. How does that carry over in the next year? Like, how like this is? Is this, the Now, The New Normal? Because I'm and this is where, who knows? Like maybe this is just a bad dream and Indiana wakes up from
in the offseason. But we, this, this, this feels like it's gotten significantly worse than just a team with a lot of injuries playing against a lot of top level competition. It feels like when you look at the players and you look at the scheme and you look at the, the whole package of IU. Football, it's hard to see where this gets better in the offseason. Like, who would you point to and
say that's a building block? The Indiana is going to be able to utilize going into next year because the few guys who you could point out for that, like, Mike McFadden, for instance. So I think has been doing amazing work with despite not a lot around him. Like, I sincerely doubt. We'll see, Mike McFadden and I you uniform again, because that's a guy that could could go get drafted. You take those types of players out of the equation, what are you looking at in a positive way?
Moving forward for this IU team, I mean, so this is your fault. You're making me talk about the future. Normally, I'm always well mag. I never said, look of it. The season is over like well and truly over at this point. It's only a matter at this point of how bad are we made to feel about this season by what happens in the bucket game, you know? So, it's what it's like, are, you know, are we going to be like a 98 out of 100 disappointed or only like an 85 out of 100?
Disappointed. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, I mean that's again, going back to like this is why I was so annoyed and so angry after Maryland and Rutgers is, you know, we're always led to believe I think rightfully so that, you know, hey, it's important to, you know, have a good kind of a good end of the season to then roll the next year that you get to a bowl. And they'll that kind of positive momentum rolls into next year. Well, it works both ways like - real men team roles as well.
I guess some point you have to stop it and this is why to me, Marilyn And Rutgers were such important games, is those teams are not bridges too far. Like even with injuries everything we talked about, you still, we lost a Maryland by three like and I still don't think you're 35 points worse than Rutgers, but those are games where I've said a couple times. Like that's where Alan just needs big look. This is where it stops like.
This is where we draw the line and we're going to, at least win a game this year. Like in the Big Ten, it didn't happen. And I was pissed because now it's a slide, the two and two. And and now you got to do some drastic stuff in the offseason to stop this slide because just saying, like, oh, like we're just gonna, you know, take a couple weeks off and start up again like now, would it be great? No, because the positive stuff rolls over but the native stuff rolls over also.
So you have to make some pretty seismic changes and this is where I get nervous is that. And again this is where I like I want the microtubule to match the macro in the micro like you're going to need Allen to sorry in the macro this Offseason Allen is going to have to make some seismic changes across a variety of areas, to change the direction of where this team is going. And just the mentality, everything needs a hard stop and a hard reset.
But in the micro you don't even see that in games, it's like, hey, let's just always says, I want to throw more like, well, then throw more, but then do it. Like, how about use? Go out and throw 70 times. Like how about you cut our? Like you said, cut our Po from The Playbook. Give them a collie. An Air Raid Offense. Like what the hell? Like let's just try it. Like go out and Bolt. Like I was joking but like, hey, don't put a punt returner back, just go block the punt.
Let's just on-site everything, like, try something like at least show me you care and you're trying as opposed to like, Hey, we're going to run up a bit often work. Oh well like that's what I'm very nervous about is our approach to the games is very, like, let's just continue doing what we do, which doesn't work. We're going to keep doing it. You can't keep doing the same thing, this offseason, you have
to make some changes. So I'm very nervous because You know, again this is a coach speak thing where it's like all positive momentum carries over but somehow - momentum doesn't like it does and nobody nobody listening to this podcast believes. We're going to go in and beat Purdue. I hate say it. Nobody believes that and the but it's like let's just say that the next you know, hold on real quick.
You know I know there's some time in between but you know our next games are in September but it's like we're playing North Western Idaho, Western Kentucky. If those games happened. In the next three weeks. After this, I would assume that we'd go one and two. Maybe beating Idaho. Like, I don't know what mentality changes between now. And next September, besides just there being more time off.
So, it's like, you've got to find a Line in the Sand and make a change and just do something different. I needed myself there because I wanted to give you the floor. But yes, no. It's it's there's a lot of Truth to think to what you say and it is I think one of the more frustrating things and the more concerning things is that it almost feels as if the not just the season but the team has
gotten away from Tom Allen here. And yeah that's it just it feels like there's this tremendous disconnect between Allen and the offense. And this is not the first time, I mean, we had Would say. Significantly milder concerns about this when Mike deboard was the offensive coordinator. Yeah. Where, you know, we remember those two seasons where there were moments where it's like, why is Indiana doing what they're doing on offense?
When it seems relatively clear to everybody that they should be making some changes? Because those things aren't working effectively anymore and those changes never got made. Now, that did eventually after the second year, result in Mike deboard. Hiring and no longer being the offensive coordinator. But you know it's just it's so and this is look, this is not something unique to Tom Allen.
You have coaches who are so focused on one side of the ball and they basically hire a chief operations officer for the offense and that's their domain. The problem that you're running into here is that Mike Devore guys are over 30 years old right? Well, yeah. That's you know, and and it's, it's so I've said this before, I was talking about this with some people yesterday. This is one of the three or four hardest programs to win at in
FBS power 5 football. It's like Indiana, Vanderbilt Kansas, you could probably throw like Washington State in there. I mean, these are very hard places to win successfully and, you know, the concern with Indiana under Allen at the beginning, Was, here's a coach, who's obviously proven himself as a defensive guy understands special teams. He doesn't seem to have a great grasp of offense.
His choice was to go hire a relatively old offensive coordinator, who had success at Tennessee, and it had success a little bit at Michigan, and have been in the game for a while. And it's like, that's the guy who's going to run my offense in my big shot as of FBS power, 5 head coach, and it didn't really work. I mean, Indiana wasn't embarrassing in those first. Two years.
But Indiana was competent enough, that they went into the last game of the year in both years with the chance to win the game and go to a bowl. Now, they didn't do that either time. And we had our frustrations with how the team looked in those situations that person leaves. He goes out and hires like a legitimately good offensive mind and a legitimately good coach, is we've seen with his work at Fresno, State and kahlan, Deboer and suddenly it's like wow things look good. Make sense.
Things are moving and That guy leaves because he's really good and he gets a shot of the head coaching position and Allen's choice at a program. Again, that is among the hardest to win successfully inconsistently at in power 5. His choice is a guy who's under 35, who's never been an offensive coordinator, who's one time, running a passing game at an FBS program ended in disastrous failure, not just
failure, but does that? Aster's failure and a guy who yes he was endorsed by the previous offensive coordinator. He had been brought by the offensive coordinator, who came before that guy had to be 100% perfect in his job because so much was at stake for Tom Allen for the momentum of the program for the recruiting for everything. Now, the recruiting has been good and I think you have to tip your hat a little bit there, but the actual results have not
been. And I forget who it was that I think it was Mike. Ben from the daily Hoosier mention this last year's offense, wasn't that great.
All things considered, like when you look at the totality of the season, I think the passing game ranked in the 90s, it wasn't a particularly great passing game and there were as we've talked about on this podcast, if you look at the trajectory of that season, when that team played poor defense, has or defenses that were discombobulated a bit because of covid that offense, played pretty well as the season went along and they played against better defense has. And there was more tape on what
Indiana was doing that often. It's got progressively worse and so to kind of go, you know, to bring it back to the original item here. The way that Alan has structured this team is like whoever the offensive coordinator is that person is essentially running what's going on and it's not
working. It's and it's not only not working but it has managed to drag the momentum of the program down so badly that it really makes you concerned about what the future is. Now, I think if you listen to The Press, And yesterday, it seems highly unlikely that there wouldn't be a change at this point as much as I've been concerned because of the rhetoric in the press conference. It felt like Alan kind of broke yesterday in that press conference, which a good but be.
Where is that been? Because it's it's this is this was not the first time that we've seen this. This was essentially the culmination of a season of frustration but these Trends have been there since the Iowa game. I mean, so that's that's where I keep coming back to now it's a bigger issue about the direction of the program and what happens because as you mentioned you're not gonna be able to fix this just by changing the coaching
staff. You're also going to have to go get players who you can plug in at Key spots. And that's, you know, it can work.
We saw it work to some degree at Michigan State this year where they went out and got 25 transfers but you you're relying an awful lot on. The idea that people are going to Want to come and play and you that you're going to be able to find somebody who's going to inspire folks, to want to come and play here and that you're gonna be able to plug those folks in and, you know, maybe we're overreacting or maybe we're getting overly concerned, but I think a lot of IU fans,
feel the same way right now where they look at what's happened this year and you know, I don't I don't think the last two years were a fluke. I think both of those were products of good, they were good coaching decisions made there was good development in certain players. But as much as I think those two years weren't flukes, I don't think that this year is necessarily a fluke either if that makes any sense. Yeah, no it does.
It makes total sense and this is this is why it's one of the hardest programs to build and grow at is you're not afforded the ability to make any mistakes. Yeah. But you're just not and so one bad hire can sync it all. And yeah, those last two years were not flukes but you're not able to build on it as easily. It's always going to be an unstable Foundation until you put multiple probably a decade of the last two years that we
had together. ER and then you're there, I mean that's the difference I think about it to with like you know, with Indiana basketball as a corollary it's like You know that they win against st. John's. They had the other day as like that was nice and everything. God's great. But you know, not even ranked teams like that would have been one of the top wins of IU
football over a six-year period. Maybe, you know, it'd be like oh I remember that like we talked about those kinds of winds in football like it's just like how little it takes for IU basketball, to get back on track like just a couple of little moves here, it's like you can make a ton of mistakes and like you do two things right and suddenly you know I you probably gonna be ranked in the next two weeks if they keep on.
Von winning. It's like, it takes a Monumental effort to get Indiana football ranked and it's just like that. Is that the difference is, you are like those a costly thing. You're moving a battleship, but it's just like you're moving an aircraft carrier with IU football and like it just takes tons of time to get it going. But it's like one little mistake and yours right off the. It's so easy to just back slide right back into it and that is that is it in?
This is, you know, to me this is obviously, you know, this is a huge offseason for out if he can't nail this offense of Or higher, right? It could be it. It's just like he's got to get the offense figured out, he's
got to get it done. And you know, unfortunately this is where he's probably going to have to go against the core, some of what he believes in, which is, you know, I've been saying this some other people, you know, Allen's thing is always been, like, I'm with the guys who brought me here, like I have my guys and that could end up being his real blind spot in that. There's nothing. I don't want to piss on a kid, but it's like, there was nothing
that I saw that penix. Looks ready to play at all. All the, well, that's Ali and physically, okay, and so it's like to go into this year looking at that, like, that's my starter. I wonder like, what were they seeing in practice, where they giving him the right practice situations? Or was it just a that's my guy? Which I that that wasn't the been. So that goes across players and coaches, like Alan's going to have to go into this offseason like you said being like, hey,
no, there's no position. That's off the table, there's nobody who's earned a spot for next year. I'm going to go in the portal and we're looking for players all across the board. And you got to get rid of this. That's my guy thing. Well you know, I've thought about that a lot and because I I think we've mentioned this on
the podcast before. I don't understand what Indiana saw in practice before the season that made them think this offense was going to be not just, okay, but better it and the only thing I can think of is it's possible that they put penix in such low pressure situations, you know, with without defense is coming at him and just concentrated solely on. Can the does he have arm strength and can he hit his targets that it just made everybody?
Falsely confident that he was going to be able to step out there and they built an entire offensive scheme whatever or whoever or whatever you want to call it around. The idea that he was going to be able to come in and make throws and that that was going to draw defenses off. That was going to allow their running game to open up if that's what happened and I don't know that it did.
But if that's what happened, that is an incredibly naive approach to running an offense and so that is concerning and I mean and it also goes back to the Jack Tuttle thing. Are you know the the times that Tuttle is gone in their title as forced passes. He's made some good throws but he's forced passes. He's put the ball where it shouldn't be so often that it just makes you want to, okay?
This was the guy that was your primary starter through spring and summer what did you see there that made you think that this was going to be okay? So I do I think you're making some good points and it does make me wonder. What the evaluative process is now. I guess the question is, how quickly could it get fixed? Because with a new offensive coordinator? We saw Caitlin Deboer, come in, and make immediate impacts in terms of the way that he was able to structure things and the
way that Personnel fit together. So I do think that there is hope. I'm not saying that it's a hopeless situation, but without knowing where that is going Direction, Wise, It's hard to sit here with one game to go. And, you know, right walking into West Lafayette with those folks. In the position that there and and not feel very pessimistic about the future, not the least of which you've also got the issue of the defense.
You look at the number of guys who could potentially be leaving the program just through regular graduation or or what have you, it does cast a lot of things into doubt moving forward. So anyway, the one thing with the the the interview process is like the positive, this job is. You get in the interview you like hey look I'm gonna leave you alone as offensive coordinator. Like look at the last few years like that. Has the worst offense, the big
tail. I left him alone, like a, let him run, whatever place you wanted to. So you can come in and basically won't talk again. Like you just run your offense, do whatever you want. Like I'm Gonna Leave You Alone. Yeah. It's you the game next week. Well, hold on. Before we bought the, before we get to that, we had a question. I wanted to get to from pit, Hoosier one my condolences for having to do a pod after another blank show you. Thank you. Thanks question to come on.
Yeah, question to consider seeing how Donovan McCully is clearly not ready for prime time. Time. How bad of a decision was it to light fire to his red shirt? Does anybody think today helped him or the program long-term? So here's the thing. I would probably plan on redshirting McCully next year because I think McCulley obviously needs more time to learn passing, you know, and, and this is where you can go back and forth about whether the problem is McCully.
And I think you're the stats that he was able to put up in high school, throwing the ball, indicate that he can throw the ball. Whether it's McCully being able to actually physically throw or whether it's a scheme situation. Either way, I think burning the red shirt this year. Was probably looked at as a necessary evil and Alan even acknowledged in the postgame press conference. That they, they're worried about him getting bad habits from doing the wrong things out there.
So I do know that they're conscious of it. I don't think it matters much one way or the other. I mean if you don't burn mcculley's red shirt you have a non-scholarship quarterback as your starter for the last three or four games of the season. That's Not ideal. It might be, might result in slightly better play but I do understand the philosophy about that. And you can always Redshirt McCauley next year, which I, if he wants to do that, I think would be a good idea.
Did it help the program? No, I mean, it's a way to try to get some level of momentum. And the idea is, well, as put this athlete out there and maybe he'll be able to do some things that we can't do. Now, the flip side of that though Scott is that they look like they were trying to get McCulley sent to the hospital with some of those play call. I mean and that we were having some text threads with various
people during the game. It's like you've got, this is your one scholarship quarterback.
You're out there playing him and you just running them directly into Defenders, on every single play, that didn't seem wise that that did concern me and it seemed like it seemed desperate to a large degree that you, you wouldn't design an offense that would get the ball out of his hands quickly as opposed to the opposite of basically treating him like a running back and Allowing him into Defenders on a regular.
I mean, even the touchdown that he's scored, was a broken play, that could have eat and that resulted in him, getting hit in the helmet, on a targeting call that didn't get whistled or reviewed. Thank you. Big ten. Your you're sticking up for your, your normal standards of IU players, getting hit in the head but it seems exceedingly dangerous for a guy that does appear to have a future. That does have some talent to put him in that position. If you're going to play him,
don't endanger him like that. I work in sales and a lot of times, if I don't have anything going on, like we have your qpr's or meetings, like, you just start saying stuff. And you're like, oh yeah, I'm working with this guy, like, you just, you kind of say things to fill the time. When you hear these talks from the coaching staff, it does feel like they're just saying things to fill the time and get done when it's like, we don't agree with you.
If you had, you had a red shirt, your it sucks, but it is what it is. But when they're saying, like, we don't want McCully to pick up bad habits. It's like, well, then stop running the place where he's doing things, you don't want him to do, like you don't want him to hold. Oh, the ball on rpos.
So obviously, that's a bad habit in your mind that you wanted to throw more the stop calling rpos, like he's doing the wrong thing and that stop like, yes, they're putting him in danger, but it's like, I hate to hear them say that we don't pick up bad habits, like, I will then call plays or he's like, he's doing bad habit, things in some types of plays and he continually call those plays over and over again. But no, this is where I would like to see more in a perfect
world. McCully can red shirt next year and continue that development. Like you said, if he wants to I mean that's That's the tough thing. From a program perspective is it's I think it's a hard a hard pill to swallow for a kid who's 18 to go from like the hot Prospect to suddenly, I'm a starter not a ton of success but hey, I started a big 10 game, your McCullough. It's like, now in a red shirt like that. That's a, that's a tough road to navigate, you got to work him
through that mentally. But no, this is where, you know, I keep on saying it, like, I go back and laugh myself a couple weeks ago was like, what are we doing? Quarterbacks, we're going to get it. We need to get a transfer, like we don't have a suitable quarterback going into next year and yeah, we're, you know, you don't need to go get Spencer rather from Oklahoma, like look at Northwestern, two years ago, they took Peyton Ramsey who was, you know, I you fans liked him, didn't love him.
Like, we weren't like, oh my God, Ramsey left, the program is over and he took him to a Big Ten title game. So like there are Peyton Ramsey's available, this offseason who will come to IU and who could play at a good to mid-level like Allen has to go, do that? Like that has to be done. God, I can't believe we're having these conversations right now. You were going to say something. And I interrupted you before about next week's game, it would.
Do you remember what that was do you want to come back? You ready to, you know, I can go to it. I don't want to get off, Taco, I'm done. Well, I don't have anything else to say on that. Go ahead, please. I'm so sad because I bought these beginning of the year, this is going to be me and you going to the Purdue game. I know I don't have a ton of interest to going. I'm sure you don't either, but if anybody wants my two tickets here, I'm showing them on the
screen. They are Section 103 row, 12 bad seats, nine and ten. Anybody wants them? Just hit us up on Twitter, hit up. I check my Twitter more that check the Crimson cast some time. So DM me at Crimson cash, 317, I will gladly give him to you. Preferably I you fans I'm assuming that a lot of Purdue fans listening this, unless Gael, you still want to go, you know, I think I don't, that's gonna be a no, for me, dog. So yeah, let's get into the
listeners. This is a, we only do this in two and ten Seasons giving away tickets, but, no, anybody wants these tickets, they are yours. Just hit us up, hit me up at Crimson cash, 317, and go have fun and hopefully you see a program Changing Winds? I always joke with IU football. If this has been my joke for four years, and this year again, it's like I will make one play will score a touchdown and like, all right, when they make the movie about this season, this is
what the music swells. Like, this is what it starts. So like, Don't think they'll be a movie made about this year but maybe when they make a movie about the Tom Allen experience and that you know, us going to Rose Bowls, like this moment, this game. Maybe this is where the music swells and it comes together and it's like we look back and were like, damn, that Purdue game is when it all turned around how things going to happen. I also will probably bet I was
going to ask you this. How many points I want to get into the bedding stuff too much here, but I would probably save a line. I'm not sure the with the line is yet, but I would bet Purdue to cover. Probably anything over 24 points, and it won't be that Hi. I don't think I mean, I think that the how high would you go to let produce before you don't feel comfortable that? Well, here's the thing, I first of all I can't believe that you got Minnesota live at minus 15 and a half yesterday.
I mean that would you talk about just free money gets good? Lord what was that? It was that it 7-7 or 14-7? I forget when but the no that was that was right after the pick-6. I was at halftime. Oh my God. Gosh. Yeah. I mean it just they were up by 14. I got Minnesota. Yeah. It Minnesota to cover 15 and a half. I was like done. Yeah. Our friend. Our friend. I put them. I'm not a huge game and I do a gambling so I'm not a huge money game. I could I put 50 bucks on it?
Our friend. I'll leave it out. Like he put 500 on it and said it's a Texas. Like, you're ten times cooler than I am. Yeah, I put 50 bucks on this me that's, that's a big bet for me but I was like, yeah, 50 bucks. Like, there's Minnesota will score again. We're not scoring again.
Yeah, I mean, just just wild. So I guess, I thought on that has basically I bucket games can be weird, but this seems like a Purdue team that's on a mission and it seems like an Indiana team that doesn't want to be on the field anymore and I don't blame them for that but that's a rat real bad recipe. That's like, I think you you had an initial prediction on our text read yesterday. Have like 40 42 13 or something like that. I think I said like, 62 to 70.
It probably won't be 62 27 but we've seen bucket games. Go, that bad. I remember some of those those Killer years when Purdue would just come out and just obliterate Indiana. I think I would probably go as high as like 22 23 because I think I'd be I think they'll be value here if you're into the wagering thing because for whatever reason there's still some kind of belief that Indiana has some juice left in it by Vegas.
I don't know if they're just taking advantage of people who look for numbers that we go beyond a certain point I'm assuming that's what they're doing. But yeah, it doesn't it if you could probably set the line at 30 and I would probably still feel comfortable with expecting Purdue to cover at this point. And yeah, we'll see, gosh, I hope it's not that bad because that's that's the last thing the program needs right now. On top of everything else that's
happened this year. So yeah, but I just, I don't know. It's worth a point where I'm not sure can get any worse. Thanks for saying that because you know that will you know where that's going anyway. So gosh, well we'll be back with a sure what's worse. Like, hey, we just reciting the shared into a five-year locked in extension will be back with a short preview later on this week as will have. I don't even know what to say. Like, I ran into this when I was dealing with the, the preview
for this Minnesota game. I mean, it's like, well, we could talk about the game but I you really isn't doing anything. There's nothing offensively that there's no tricks to pull out of the bag. They can't run the ball, they can't get the ball to receivers and they can't throw the ball and they can't block. And the defense Can Only Hold Back The Barbarians for so long. There's not much analysis there that you can throw into the equation.
So I don't know exactly what we'll talk about in the Purdue preview, but we will have a Purdue preview because we got to finish this season out. And then, of course, we'll have our recap show. We might do our recap show that evening. We'll check it. I could bang it out. We're not just taking back Sunday. We're taking back the off season at that point. Yeah but we'll figure something
out anyway. So stay tuned here and please stay tuned to Crimson cast will have some basketball talk coming up early this upcoming week as Indiana in action tonight against Louisiana and then we play in a couple of games this upcoming week for Thanksgiving. So thanks, all you folks for
listening. I didn't think we'd go an hour and ten minutes on this, but we did and hopefully it was of some you Used to those of you out there who are still sticking with, loosening the IU football podcast, and trying to contemplate, what's going on with the season. But thanks to home field apparel. Thanks to the power rank. Thanks to dark canvas designs. And be sure to check out our brethren in the back home, network over at assembly call, as they'll be recapping the game
tonight as it happens. And then obviously they'll have assembly called radio coming up sometime this week, probably not Thursday since that is Thanksgiving, but they'll be back sometime during this week anyway. For Scott, I'm Galen, this is Crimson cast. Thank you again for sticking with us throughout the course of the Season, we will catch you folks on the flip side, bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.