You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson cast Galen Clavio Scott Colton joining you. It is Thursday, November 21st and the week long odyssey podcast continues here as we get ready for Indiana, Ohio State this weekend. We haven't done a preview episode all year. So I I'm you're you're inviting some some cosmic forces that I'm not so so sure about here.
But I, I'm glad we're going to get a chance to talk about this game, one of the biggest in in IU football history and the lead up the build up has been really fascinating to watch. So we're going to dig into that a little bit and just kind of talk about the overall vibe going into this game. First, just quick reminder folks were brought to you by home
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I mean, how are you feeling right now? We're here, man. I'm, I'm, it's, it's wild. Yeah. I, I figured we had to do something. This is, you know, one of the biggest games we've had. And since we've been doing the podcast, I, I look, let's start here, let's talk about the lead up to this game before we talk about our thoughts on the game and kind of the, the overall reaction of things. I, I have two kind of thoughts about it.
The, the 1st is this, I absolutely love the double standard that's out there right now that, you know, there's, there's a lot of talk about how, you know, Indiana has to, they don't have to win, but they have to at least show respect. What we need an eye test to see that Indiana is worthy of being in this game. They can't just get blown out yet the rest of the season. Eye test doesn't matter. Like, we beat the living hell out of Nebraska. We, you know, roll over Washington.
It's like, yeah, those eye tests don't matter. You know, even the Michigan game, you're up 17 to 3 and it gets a little mucked up. But you, you kind of owned them. You know, we didn't blow them out, but so like, that looks bad. Like, so the eye testing is Michigan matters because that's it. We didn't blow them out. But all the other blowouts don't matter. It's like I I love like, what exactly are we looking for here? Like, what is the eye test?
We need to have that. That is one thing that I found very funny through all of. This Yeah, I mean, it's it's really even interesting when you think about the way that, like Penn State right now, a team whose best wins are a. A sizable victory over an insanely overrated Illinois team and a road victory against the USC team that has been tripping over itself the entire season is somehow getting a huge benefit of the doubt despite having lost to Ohio State at home.
And you know, that's a game where their offense only scored seven points the entire game. And I'm just, I'm trying to think of what the reaction would be for Indiana if they if they just put the Penn State performance in that Penn State is not being punished for in this Ohio State game. They would be they would be mutilated in the press. And it the whole thing's been fascinating to me. I mean, we noticed this last week a bit, but this week the discourse has gotten even more intense.
It feels like Indiana has broken the SEC and is to some degree broken discourse in college football. And, and Tom Fornelli, Nicole Auerbach, there's a couple of other people that have, I think, done a good job of pointing this out. Ari Wasserman from from on three. This is what happens when a a brand that is not already accepted threatens the status
quo. What you've got is an Indiana program that is not a Michigan or an Ohio State or even a Penn State, like or a Michigan State, a team that's like, or Wisconsin A-Team that's like, well, even like Miami's kind of in a separate categories. They've won so many, you know, titles and whatnot. But I'm even talking about the second tier brands like, you know, the Auburns. I I would throw into that mix, like teams that have been competitive, people are like, oh, they're in the playoff.
That makes sense. Indiana represents a threat to that status quo. And, you know, SEC fans have been kind of programmed to think that everything that their conference does is the best in the, in the country and that that they're always the best. And what's fascinating about this process with Indiana is the, and Joel Clap brought this up on Fox Sports on his podcast. Like the things that Indiana's
getting criticized for. You could point the finger at like 5 or 6 other teams that are in the mix, including teams ranked above Indiana, Texas, Penn State. And they aren't getting harangued. It's Indiana that's getting harangued. And it's become, you know, not to borrow the Miller cop phrase, but it's kind of become Indiana versus everybody over the course of this last week and a half, two weeks. And to some degree, I think it's good.
It's like a baptism by fire for Indiana into college football. 1 of many things, Scott, we did not expect to be dealing with in the 2024 season. It is. It's surreal. The whole thing's been surreal that we're here in the 1st place, you know? It's funny in my notes I have it's funny seeing all the blue bloods and SEC teams freaking out as somebody dares to break into their party and even today, I mean, this is I I joke.
This is exactly what I would expect if I asked AI to give me an Ohio State version of this game. But there was, you know, Ohio State barstool had a Instagram post. They were just like literally straight face like Indiana should forfeit the game because it's like a forfeit to one O loss like Indiana's just forfeit. It's like these takes are insane. What I think is interesting about it, I'm kind of stealing a tangential thought from Zach
Osterman on his podcast. But you know, you watch the College Football Playoffs and then that show, it's 20 minutes of just how do you deal with an 11 and one Indiana team? Like, how do you compare them to this? Everything is based on the fact that we're going to lose to Ohio State. Not one effing minute of what if Ohio State loses out of the play? I've never heard that brought up. Now, you know, we can talk about how we think the game is going
to go, but these are two teams. They are going to play a game. Like there's an outcome that could happen. I've not heard one iota of, is Indiana going to be ranked number one if they win? What kind of trouble is Ohio State? And if they lose, Like it's wild that you get people wigging out and freaking out and there's never even the counterpoint of Indiana could win the game.
And what does that look? Like I will say that that that does I have seen that like CBS, they had two of their panelists, I think pick Indiana. Rick Neuheisel picked Indiana in this game and you're starting to see it a bit more.
I because and, and what's been fascinating for me to watch in this whole process this week especially has been all of these national reporters finally digging into the stats and being like, oh, wow, Indiana is actually compares very favorably to Ohio State. Like these two teams are very similar to each other and that recognition that's there. Now there's look, there's a lot of intangibles and and I think you know, one of the things that gets pointed out accurately.
And we've had this talk on some of our podcasts this week, the podcast I did with Dane Saansenbacher, the pod that you've hopefully heard already with me and Taylor or me and Stefan it's. But you don't. Indiana hasn't played in these kinds of circumstances before and, and even the transfers, the James Madison transfers, the individual transfers from the ACC or the Big 12, this is a
different type of environment. And I think a lot of the expectation has, the first level of expectation amongst the national pundits is like, well, of course, of course Indiana's a fluke. And of course Ohio State's actually the dominant team here. And so they're going to easily roll. Then you look at the stats and you're like, well, maybe not. And so then it becomes, well, Ohio State's been there and Indiana hasn't. And I do, I do think that is a big unknown.
And it's the one thing that I keep coming back to in my head when I think about this match up on paper. And based upon the way these two teams have played, Indiana clearly has a shot not just to could be competitive, but to win. You just don't know how Indiana's going to react in that environment with that many people with with the pressure of it being such a big game, such a momentous game. But I also think Ohio State's got that pressure as well because Ohio State's got a lot
to lose in this game. You know, they've already got a loss. I think A2 loss. Ohio State would still get into the playoff, but they have much grander aspirations than that. And so, yeah, you know, it is very one sided. And this is where you would hope that a team ranked in the top ten, let alone the top five, would attract more direct analysis. But it's clear in a lot of the commentary, most of these people
didn't watch Indiana at all. If they watch one game and it was the Michigan game, and what they drew from the Michigan game was Indiana must not be very good because they're not blowing out Michigan where it's like, that's one data point with a lot of specific items that you have to consider out of a much larger constellation of data points that all point towards Indiana being able to be very competitive in this game.
It's just very unusual. Most people aren't used to seeing that with Indiana playing Ohio State on the road. And that, to me, is what's made this week so much fun, is so much of the discourse has been based upon the wrong things. I think right well, and it's it's being treated as like an oddity, like this is a really weird story. It's not being viewed as A2 top five matchups like you're not again, kind of stealing Ostrom and stuff.
But it's like you see nothing about Ryan Day's record against top five teams in relation to the game this weekend. It's it's more like this oddity of can a upstart like Indiana actually compete at Ohio State? It's, you know, and you mentioned, you know, I'm, I'm interested in both sides, but it does feel like there is more pressure on Ohio State because if, if you look at how a lot of the Indiana games have gone,
they come out to big league. Even the games we haven't looked great, like the Michigan game, we're still up 17 to three. I, I was thinking that this morning, you know, if, if we go up 17 to three at any point in the first half against Ohio State, all the pressure is on them. I mean, suddenly it's like, what what the hell is going on? If we put the blitz on them like it's 28 to 7, like we did against Nebraska, all the pressure is on them.
There's even a world where, you know, if Ohio State goes up 14 or 17 to nothing, I'm not comfortable. But you look back to a couple years ago, they went up 28 nothing on that Pennix team. And then kind of like, all right, you know, Indiana sucks. We got it and then Indiana came roaring back. There's it feels like there's more paths for Ohio State to have pressure on them then there is paths for Indiana to feel the weight of the pressure, as weird
as that sounds. No, I mean, it's kind of two sides of the coin in as much as most of the most of the analysis around the game and the actual playing of the game and the way that people think it's going to go. I've, I've noticed a real turn in in that analysis as people have realized that Indiana offensively far more resembles Oregon than resembles Penn State.
Now that you, you can say on the one hand that, well, I you racked up all of those numbers against teams that aren't very good, which I, I don't think is a really good way of looking at it. But whatever you, you do you straw person, you know, and or scarecrow.
Yeah, scarecrow, man. But the flip side, I talked about this on one of the earlier shows like, yes, give Ohio State credit for beating Oregon. Or if you're losing to or they lose, they lose to Oregon, They beat Penn State, they beat Nebraska. They racked up a lot of yards and a lot of statistical superiority in the other games that they played, which were not competitive. And we're not against particularly good competition.
I mean, Iowa, Michigan State, NIH, Purdue, no Northwestern, no. And then a bunch of Mac schools. It's like, this is this is not a murderer's row in terms of like where you've actually established your dominance. And so, so much for me, it's like, can Indiana handle the moment emotionally and mentally? And I have to give Kurt Signetti
and his staff credit. You don't turn around a team's emotions and mentality the way they have already with this roster, A team that was was expected to finish 17th in the conference, a team that hadn't played together in in their current form before the season started. You don't do that and then suddenly forget how to reach those players mentally and emotionally going into a game
like this. And I also think, you know, if Indiana can overcome that, then it's a matter of have they demonstrated that they can physically match up against Ohio State? Can they make throws? Can they make runs? Can they make tackles? Can they, you know, get chaos going on the defensive side?
And if you want to point to the Michigan game and say, well, the Michigan game was a bad game for Indiana, I'll flip it around and say the Michigan game to me demonstrated that they could go toe to toe physically with a superior opponent, that they could find ways to win when their opponent took away their top two or three options. And you, you stack that on top of having an extra week to prepare.
And the fact that this is this is a really good Ohio State team with really talented players, but not at the places where Indiana is the strongest, which is in the trenches. It makes for a really fascinating Stew of things which have made it impossible for me to have any sense of how the game's going to go like I have I I could not make a prediction right now if I tried. Scott no, it's wild. I can see it going any different direction.
One point about all the offensive stats the other pieces never mentioned is a lot of those were racked up with a backup quarterback for a game and a half, you know, half Nebraska. Like that's just never also mentioned. Like this team just kept rolling
with that. I'm, I'm going to take the other side of the coin here for one second, though that I, I do, I, I, I mean everything I just said and I, I, I don't like the, the double standard kind of the, the, the pro SEC love that's out there and kind of this, what the hell is Indiana doing? I, I will say this and I do mean this honestly, that what is at stake here is I, I do believe Indiana.
I don't think they're going to get their doors blown off, but I do think what would happen if they lose, you know, 49 to nothing or they go down, you know, 35 nothing or 35 three and just get throttled. I as we can talk about that later, but I do think you're really putting yourself at peril to maybe getting bounce from the College Football Playoff it and it's just because it's big boy stuff. I mean, it would, you would have a real argument that would be
tough to compare. That's like, look, man, this is big boy, this is big boy football. You're trying to win a national championship here. You it is one data point, but you really did not make the mark. And I, I think that's what's at stake here. As much as I agree with all of the, the double standard and the view and all that, like, I do think that is a real concern is they just, they cannot get their doors blown off. Because if that happens, I think
you can make a real argument. It's like, you know, yes, other teams have multiple shots, but it's like we're we're we're trying to pick a national champion here. Like you've got to be able to compete with the big boys at least at some level. So that that is. But again, I I don't think that's going to happen, but I just wanted to say that. Well, I mean, look, sure, I I don't necessarily disagree. I, I guess my thought process on it is more this. I mean, first of all, I've
wondered this for years. Where the hell did get their doors blown off come from? Like what does that even like that? That's that's. Pirate thing. It's probably like. In the last 10 years, and I've never actually thought about it. And the more I think about it is like, I don't really understand why that's a good phrase and that's not an attack on you. I have another person I podcast with that says it all the time.
No, it's fine. But I say it wrong is like maybe, maybe no. No, you said it right. You absolutely said it right. But but putting putting the doors blown off thing aside, I do think that it's interesting the the idea of what is Indiana owe college football in terms of its performance in this game. I mean, Texas hosted Georgia, Texas lost by double digits. What else have they done?
Did they owe they, they clearly didn't owe college football anything other than winning at Vanderbilt, I think, or whatever it is. Like that feels like, like, why is that OK? Why if you know, Penn State loses by 7 points at home to the one team that they had to beat at home and it's the same team going.
And I this was actually an argument I remember us making in 2020 where it's like, you know, people like, well, you can't complain about getting replaced in the Big 10 championship game by Ohio State. You lost to Ohio State and that's like we lost on the road at Ohio State in a game where all the momentum was Indiana for the last two quarters. How like I always love how in college football, the location of the game matters until it's inconvenient for the argument.
And then it's like, well, you lost to them. It doesn't matter. And I would say the same thing with Ohio State. Like I don't punish them for losing at Oregon by a point. They lost at Oregon by a point. That's not a neutral site game. You know, it's not a game where you can say, well, gosh, if you were really that good, you would have beaten them. Now, I do think for Indiana, it's like if you go out and embarrass yourself, which feels
very unlikely given this group. But if they went out and embarrassed themselves, then look, I, I think that you may it'd be much harder to make the argument that you're one of the the top at large teams in the country. And I think that if that happens, and again, I don't think it's going to happen, I feel like this team is too well coached, They're too focused. But if it did happen as Indian. Football fans like we're contractly obligated to bring up
as an option, but I but. I but I would say I'm fine with it. And, and like, I mean, and, and I think all you can do if you're a program like Indiana, all you can do if you are the players on the roster, all you can do if you're Curt Signetti is asked to be in the position that they're in going into this weekend, they are a top five.
And you know, I'll note like all the complaints about the committee overrating Indiana. Indiana is fifth in the nation by a panel of journalists who vote every week who didn't have Indiana ranked at the beginning of the season. And they have chosen to rank Indiana 5th. So you can't say this is the committee going, you know, off the rails. This is the consensus of the
country right now. And obviously, you update that with a new data point because you get to see them play against a really good opponent on the road.
I don't know what the expectation is for Indiana in terms of what they have to do, but I do think that unless it's like a 52 to three kind of thing, you know, unless Indiana just looks like they don't belong on the same field, it'd be hard for me to say, oh, yeah, they clearly don't deserve to be in the College Football Playoff because of how dominant they've been the whole rest of the season.
So it to me, it's like, I don't want to think too much more about it because it's like, why engage in that thought process? But I do think it's really fascinating to think about like, the idea that IU, and this is what I hate about the framing of all of this. It's wormed its way into the mindsets of people that somehow Indiana owes it to college football to demonstrate that they are a, you know, a force to be reckoned with. And it's like they've done that
already this season. This is not new. What they, what they, what, you know, the idea that, Oh, well, if they don't, you know what, within 10 points that suddenly they just don't belong in the playoffs at all. I just, I reject that reasoning out of hand. Unfortunately, I'm not the one that makes those decisions. But fortunately, the committee is. And they have been pretty consistent in saying, you know, it's not just about who you play, it's about how you play.
And it's also implicitly based upon their rankings. How many losses do you have? And it seems incredibly unlikely that even with a loss there that Indiana would have more than one. And that still should matter. I got to say I give you real credit when you make me laugh out loud on one of your other pods with You're talking about curvy smart. It's like I just don't know what they look for. It's like they're looking for wins. Curvy. It's a weird, oh, very odd metric.
I think they're looking for wins. But the other thing at play here too, that is just I feel like isn't mentioned enough is when you take out all of the automatic bids by conferences. You know there are what, 8 at large bids, they're going to be filled up by Big 10 and SEC teams like that is you, you you've talked about it a lot in the offseason. That is who's running college football. That's not news to anybody. If Indiana doesn't make it, there is no other team in the
Big 10 that takes its place. And and so this is, you know, people are doing this a little bit unfairly jockeying, like trying to pump up the SE is the S ES, trying to get 5 and the big to get the Big 10 three because it's not like, look at the Big 10. There's no Iowa, Washington, you know, to, to paraphrase Pitino, they're not walking through that door like it's either Indiana or it's three Big 10 teams and that's it. So a lot of this talk from the SEC schools is even less about Indiana.
It's more just we want to load it up with SEC schools. But again, I go to the these are there's two leaders at at play here and they both want to be running college football. And they're both probably going to say like, look, I don't the Big 10 doesn't want to just kowtow to the SEC to this because then they'll never hear the end of it. So there's politics at play there that I think also help Indiana. I agree.
I've been talking about this for a while and you and I talked about it a little bit last time, but I think people need to understand like this is not 2020. You know, I, the big 10 had a vested interest in, and I don't agree with it. I, I hate the way that they handled it. It was, it was disgusting, but the Big 10 felt like they had a vested interest in being in a position where the best team could compete in a four team playoff. That's not here.
It is not about the best team. It's about volume, right? How many teams do you get in? And for all the people that have said, oh, the committee's going to screw IU, the committee's, the committee chairman is an AB in the Big 10 or the Big 10 wants to screw Indiana. Why would the Big 10 want to chop one of its own nuts off in this? Like, why would they be like, no, no, we couldn't possibly have Indiana in the College Football Playoff.
There's no other nominee besides Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State. Would you rather have 4, four teams in the tournament or would you rather have three teams in the tournament? You. Can give your number one rival another? Team there's there's no scenario right He's. Not going to the ACC. Target committee is not buying a burner phone, getting Ward manual on and say Ward, we, we got to keep Indiana out of the playoffs.
It's just not happening. So, you know, I do think a lot of this really comes down to there's a narrative being pushed and it's being pushed by SEC sources clearly that Indiana doesn't belong, SEC schools belong. And that's what it comes down to. And I, and I keep saying this, when the rankings come out, what we see in the rankings does not match that narrative. And so for me, it's like, I even the scenario where Indiana gets blown out, I mean, it could be a bad day.
Curtis Rourke could twist an ankle, who knows? Like, you know, there's there's all kinds of random things like you got to take it in totality. You have to see what The thing is. But the idea that it would just be something where Indiana gets left by the wayside because they're inconvenient. You got an entire one of the two most powerful conferences in college sports fighting against that because it would be bad for them if that happened.
And I think that that's something that we are so used to being put upon by as Indiana fans in football by the establishment that that is the natural inclination. So, you know, This is why I've kind of stopped engaging in that kind of of thought process or debate because to me it's like you're in a great spot. If you're Indiana, you make a good accounting of yourself. You're you're in the College Football Playoff. No one's going to say a word.
You go in and win the game. You're you might be the number one team in the country. I think you would have a real argument to say like, I just I want one minute of fun for that. Like you go in and win that game, which I think I don't know if we're going to do prediction like final predictions or not. I'm not giving a prediction. That's fine, That's fine. I, I think, I, I think there's a real chance they could win this game. And if they do, just let's have
fun. It's the only time we can do it. I think they come out and it's like, all right, you really have an argument to be the number one team in the country because right now the number one team is Oregon and you have a common opponent now and that's Ohio State and IU play them on the road and they would have won on the road presumably by more than one. But even if it's by one, it's
like that's Rd. versus home. Somehow, somehow Penn State still going to be above us. I'm sure Penn sale just move to one. But you know, you to me, it's like you, you, you are the number one team in the country and you you probably should get that. And and then, you know, it's, it would be a wild narrative to see what the SEC talks about. Then, you know, it's, it's like, well, are they, are they really for real? Like we'll, we'll have to see it if they can do in the College
Football Playoff, like. I mean, so much of this is is hypothetical. And look, as we've talked about, like Ole Miss could lose to Florida, Texas could lose to Texas A&M, Georgia could lose a third game, Alabama could lose a third game, Tennessee could lose to Vanderbilt. I mean, there's so many things these SEC schools are trying to insulate themselves against bad results. And it you know, again, we are still we're three weeks away or whatever it is from from the selection show.
We're we're a long way from all of this mattering. There's so much football to be played, including the games this weekend. So the discourse, while it's been entertaining, is ultimately meaningless. And, and so much of this really just comes down to what happens this week, next week in the conference championship games. There's a ton of football, There's a ton of scenarios.
Even if Indiana loses this game and it looks despondent or you get despondent because it looks bad for Indiana, there's a lot left to happen, right? And, and when you take the totality of the updated strength of schedule with Ohio State in it, you know, hopefully blowing Purdue out by 70 points or whatever it is, other results elsewhere, I just the, the playoff predictor numbers are not, they're not lying.
All right. Indiana, I really do think has a, a 90 to 7% chance of making the playoff. And I think Indiana fans should take some, some some heart in that. But I also think I just want all of everybody's energy focused on Indiana beating Ohio State because I do think it's a possibility.
The more I've dug into the numbers, it's going to take Indiana playing their best game of the year and it's going to take Ohio State making some mistakes or, or not being able to handle Indiana from a physical perspective. But it, you know, we've seen worse Indiana teams play better against Ohio State than you would have expected. I expect a, a, a really good Indiana team to make a good accounting of themselves in this game. And, and at this point, though, I feel at peace with it.
Like I, I, I couldn't be more confident in a team and a coaching staff and what they've shown throughout the course of this year and how different they are from what we're used to seeing. So I'm really excited about that and I hope that the the rest of the folks in IU and Who's Your nation are feeling a similar thing. I agree. I think we have a better coach. He's at two weeks to prepare and I, I do really believe in that.
I think there's a lot of paths where it can get really funky for Ohio State. If, if, if we come out and start really hot or play well or just keep it close or we get up 10/3, suddenly there's a lot of pressure on Ohio State to do a lot of stuff and they're going to be the ones feeling the pressure. I want to ask you this before we get out of here. I'm very curious, what are you wearing and who you and where are you going to sit? Who you sitting with? Like what?
What do you what do you wear going into the horseshoe for a game like this? Well, it's tough. It's because it's going to be chilly and I don't have a good white IU. I've got my old Script oatmeal hoodie. I might actually have to bring
that one out. I haven't worn the Script Oatmeal hoodie since Actually, Connor from Home Field kind of jokingly forbade me from wearing that because I have one of the original script hoodies and it is so worn that you can barely see the Indiana. But I think that's probably going to end up being the choice. I haven't totally decided yet. Now I am sitting by myself. I bought a solo ticket. I am sitting in the, I don't know what end zone it is, but it's not the, it's not the end
zone with the really tall side. It's the other one. And I'm in, I'm in the lower level, but I'm about 25 rows up. And that's, that's the plan. So we're going. I'm rolling over Friday, late afternoon, we're going to meet up. Are you with IU section or you just? Bought it off a SeatGeek. So I might I'm going to probably be right in the middle of a bunch of Ohio State people and that's fine.
You know, I mean, they're they're they don't scare me, but it's going to be an interesting experience. I mean, I don't get a lot of chances to go and and really go behind enemy lines like that in the stadium. So a bunch of stuff still up in the air all year I have I've tried to make a last minute judgment call about what I'm actually going to wear when I go in. A lot of it's going to depend on what the weather ends up being because the forecast has been all over the place the last
couple of days. It's kind of settling down. It doesn't look as going to be quite as cold as it originally looked like it was going to be, which I'm appreciative of certainly if you know me. But yeah, that's the that's the plan and I'm just excited to get the whole thing started. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to look. I'm looking forward to hearing your reaction from it. And I'm, I'm fired up for the game. My son, I coach my son in
basketball. He has a game at 1:00 on Saturday. So I'm like, do I just try and go radio silent and just catch up later? Do I just have watch the game? And then when I start coaching my son's team just kind of have in the back? I'm not sure. What would you do? I, I, I would have, I would have given up coaching youth sports. I mean, I mean, you can't, you can't time shift this. You've got to, you've got to be monitoring it in real. Time, OK. So just I, I miss, I miss the
second quarter basically. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't think you have a choice to me, because you're going to, if you're going to tear your hair out trying to keep track of what's going on in the game. Yeah, and time shifting just doesn't work. It doesn't work. And, and, and so I would just, you know, invest in it however you can for however long you can and we'll see where things go. But that would that would be my recommendation to you.
OK, I, I appreciate that and I will take that to heart. And I'm looking forward to Sunday, man. It's going to be I, I, I'm just saying, I'm letting everyone know this. There will be immense cursing on Sunday if we win. Like it's just going to be. We might. Yeah, that we might have to. That'll be an explicit one. No ads. Sorry. Sorry to everyone, but I, I do, I think we have a real chance, but like you, I have a hard time
making a prediction. I also it there's just I've changed a lot this year as an IU fan, I've gotten a lot more confident Saying we're going to go into the horseshoe and win is just like that is a bridge beyond anything I've ever thought is possible. I predict it's going to be a close game. Yeah, and I by close I mean like 2 scores either way. I mean, the other thing too I was thinking about is, you know, Rourke's from Ohio. He's an Ohio kid who probably wanted to go to Ohio State.
And how many times have we seen this in Indiana? You know, last year, the kid from Army, there's always some kid from Indiana in basketball who comes back and just torches us in Assembly Hall and has the biggest game. This would be this would be a moment for Rourke to do it in Ohio, to do it Ohio State. I mean, this there's so much obviously at stake here. Even just the idea if Rourke has a game like just just torches has, you know, four or five
touchdowns and looks dynamite. He's in the Heisman conversation. It's. Going to be fascinating. I actually made that point on this the the preview I did with Stefan. If Indiana's going to win, I think it is a Heisman moment for Rourke that makes it happen. I mean, he's he, he has to have, he hasn't had a 300 yard game since Northwestern. You know, I mean, it's one of those where he's really going to
have to be dealing out there. And I think he's got a a good opportunity with the match ups on the edge to, to be able to do that. So we'll see what happens, but we'll we'll wrap this one up and. Have fun, be safe, travel. It's going to be wild looking forward to it and we'll certainly look forward to chatting about it on Sunday. For those of you that that don't know, we always do our recap pod. It'll be a little later on Sunday because I got to drive
back. I'm not driving back till Sunday morning. So might be a little bit later in the in the the late morning, early afternoon, depending on when we get out of there. But we will certainly have something on Sunday to talk about what happened. Anyway, Scott, as always a pleasure and thank you all you folks. Hopefully all the content this week was helpful as you get ready to watch it. Ohio State top five match up from the Horseshoe coming up on
Saturday at noon. My thanks to home field, our presenting sponsor, and my thanks to the whole back home network for Scott. I'm Galen. This is Crimson cast. We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the bison, stay never daunted. That's all, everybody.