Ep 1106 - Summer Holiday Episode

You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast and happy 4th of July everybody. Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you on the show. And we are living it up. It's Independence Day weekend or week, I guess it's always interesting when these holidays fall on like, a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, Scott. I mean, you know, like Memorial Day, it's Monday. It's part of a weekend, no problem. Labor Day, it's part of a

weekend, you know. But Independence Day, probably more than any of the other ones, is like a wild card. Like, yeah, the Christmas, when Christmas happens, it's or, you know, you got that week and the new year. It's like all part of the same like holiday complex. But obviously I think everybody loves it when the 4th of July happens like this in the middle of the week for almost every

reason except the parades. Because it's like, you know, that we've been having this debate in our neighborhood. Like are we having a parade on the 4th? It looks like not because it's supposed to rain down here. Does that mean we've been pushed it to the weekend? Should it just be there already? Is that when the fireworks

happen? But on the flip side, it's like I feel like everybody on the in the United States is probably taking at least part of Friday off, if not the entire Friday and and maybe taking today off as well. So happy 4th Scott, I guess is my message to you.

Yeah, and to me, the 4th is always like the apex of summer 'cause you, you, you get out of school and then June's kind of like, man, like I got to, you know, just enjoy summer And you kind of do a couple things in June and it's like June always seems to go pretty long in my mind. And then you get to the 4th of July and then it's like, normally there's a couple of camps for the kids. Maybe you take one week of vacation.

But next thing you know, it's like you're staring down the barrel of, you know, for my wife starting school teaching again, it's like, man, we're three weeks away from the start. Like after the 4th, it just becomes a quick downhill sled right into school starting. And I'm sure you're thinking exactly what my wife thinks, cuz I'm always like two weeks like stop it. Why are you bringing that up?

Like we're still in summer. I mean, and look, as a, as a college educator myself, I, I can see it coming. And you know, even though the, you know, the elementary school and and middle school and high school go back earlier in August, like ridiculously early, in my opinion, we've got that coming on the horizon as well. So yes, I, I feel it quite keenly. Why you brought it up, I have no idea. But I also will say that I feel

like July still feel safe. I don't really feel like when I'm in July, I feel like I'm in a, a nice protected bubble of time off for the most part. As someone who teaches, I, I obviously many of you out there do not feel that way because you're working throughout the course of, of the full year. And I'm, I'm frankly still working myself.

I'm in the office. But like, it's the pressure, the added pressure of like everybody being, I think living in a college town like Bloomington, it's like a specific type of unique feeling. Because Bloomington for those of you who you will, you know, 'cause you grew up here and for those of you who have lived in Bloomington and have taken the time to do a Bloomington summer, it is vacant down here. Like you'll, and even more so now.

Like it used to be that people would come to Bloomington for the, the first part of the summer. You'd have I core kids or you'd have people doing summer school. That really hasn't happened much now after the pandemic, Bloomington is kind of a ghost town. And so even though you're right, you know, the, the school year and, and all of that pressure is on the horizon, it does feel like a weird Oasis up right up until the end of July in Bloomington and probably in other college towns because

there's just nobody around. It's the thing that I'm maybe miss, one of the things I miss quietly most about living in Bloomington year in, year out and growing up there is that you're right. Like even when there was a lot of summer school going on, like the late June, mid-july, it's just, it is the, the hibernation period for Bloomington. Like everything is empty, Everything's available.

And it's one of those things you can go back for a day or two, but like living in it like you are now, it's like the, the city has so much bustle for a small town with college when it's in that when it's out, it is such a weird month. So I, I, I know exactly what you're saying. The other thing that I will just, you know, having a podcast, I will make one request here for one of our not sure if he listens, but a friend of yours, but I don't want to call him out, but IU Gray on Instagram.

So he knows who he is. He's doing what I've always wanted to do as a kid who played tennis growing up in high school. I always get into Wimbledon. Jeremy Gray. I don't want to just I want to at least have something that this Twitter handle, I'm not trying to call him out, but you did. So there you go. Jeremy Gray, if you're listening, he has some pictures posted at Wimbledon. These are not. These are on public social media

places. I have always wanted to go to Wimbledon. I watch it every year. I love it. It see getting tickets seems tough. So reach out man. Let me know how you got the tickets and let let's talk 'cause that's that's been like highlight of my sports bucket list as we talk about July things. I you, you too. I greatly admire both of you and you both love tennis and I, I don't like tennis to me is is a sport that I've never been able to get connected to on an

emotional level. So I'm always, I'm always fascinated by that, the people who have the emotional connection to tennis and who want to go to these, you know, kind of temples of the game. And Wimbledon obviously is is probably the biggest one of them all. I don't know. I find the whole thing fascinating. If it looks very amazing, yeah, I did. I have nothing else to say on it

besides that. But I took my dad in like 2016 to the US Open and it's, it's a cool experience because you have that and we'll we'll get on to others. Thanks for watching Crips and Cast July and Tennis Talk. You ever watch Pat McAfee? They they barely even have a topic most of the time. We're doing fine. The audience is not asking for an apology here.

That's fair. But you go to an what, what I found really cool about it is you have center court, you have Court One. Obviously all the other courts are just kind of come first come first serve, at least in the US Open. And I think it's from what I've read, it's that way at all the other majors and they have 18 courts. So you can walk around And it's like I was watching, you know, mixed double S the time.

And there was Martina Hingis. I'm like, you know, 4 rows back watching her in a mixed double S. There's a lot of juniors and you could just go and sit like second row. And it's like, you know, court 17 out there. And I'm not sure if Wimbledon is a little more intimate, but This Is Us Open and they had full crowds, but most people don't kind of go out to the other. And that's where we spend most of for a time.

And it's just like you're still watching high level elite tennis and it's still a really cool area. So I I'm my goal is to get to all four majors at some point. It is. It's always interesting to me what we do for certain sports and not others. Like the NCAA tournament could hypothetically be held in a huge multi court complex with games all happening simultaneously. Or, or the Indiana high school tournament could be, could theoretically be be like held that way.

Yet we don't do that. We we hold it in individual spots. So I always think about, well, what would the tournament look like if we held it all in one place? Although it kind of sounds like this Vegas event might grow into that this this MTE they're doing with NIL. But I also wonder, like what if tennis was happening all over the country like the NCAA tournament does in like clusters of of of matches? I don't know that like that. It would because that part of it

for me, honestly. Crowds, that was what it would be. Well, would it though? Because you can only get so many people into that one venue and everybody's just buying tickets for that. And it might be interesting to spread it out a little bit. It wouldn't be the same type of event, but maybe another event that's like that would be interesting.

Like the World Cup, because the World Cup plays like eight different sites in the country and then you move together and it's like, oh, like, like, is Djokovic going to get out of the Birmingham regional? Djokovic in Birmingham by itself is a fascinating. Like wouldn't go. He'd just be like, no, I'm out. Like I don't do Birmingham, AL. Sorry, into our Birmingham listeners. Nothing against Birmingham, but it's, it's Djokovic, not you

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You know, Scott, it's, it's an interesting time right now, obviously, because we are we're like right on the brink of a lot of cool stuff happening with IU sports. And we're still in the kind of the soft period of things where there's not a huge amount of content. But this is a good time to sign up for things because it's easy in the rush of everything that happens in August and September

to forget. And you get on our sub stack, you're going to get right up there and understand what's going on with the world of IU athletics. So please sign up. It would be great to have you. Also, I, I need to apologize. Apparently we in our last podcast, we got a note on our community Discord from Trent Hurricanes that I've apparently mispronounced something while trying to make fun of you. Oh, mayhem, how the tables have

turned. So I, I, I inadvertently and erroneously pronounced the wine region that everybody knows in Oregon as the Willamette Valley, and it's apparently the Willamette Valley. I, I was not aware of this. You, you, I assumed you as someone who's so cultured, might have corrected me in the moment, but I'm I'm guessing you were just trying to be nice to me. Is that right? I I know my place. I mean, we have the history. We can go back, but, you know, not I'll do that off pod.

I'm not going to do that on POD. But you know, yeah. You know, it's, it's nice to know that, you know, all of us make mistakes, some more than others. Right. Anyway, those are the things to think about, I guess. And we got to we got to make sure if you guys hear us screw up, please let us know. That's part of the fun. Well, not me. Like let's I, I get AI get a couple mulligans. I get three per show like after three then you can start you can

start putting them out there. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Well, Scott, your your screw ups are just kind of like it's the fabric of the show, Like that's the fiber that keeps the thing afloat. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm kidding. Anyway, let's let's tackle a few things. First of all, Scott, when you were younger, how much did you play the the the college

football video? Game oh a ton OK, so so the the if you haven't seen this yet, did you watch the reveal video that they just put out that like the one they just put out? I've seen I've seen some of the ones that were coming up as I've not seen the latest one. I'm kind of I'm kind of at a point I'm very excited. I'm kind of at a point I'm just waiting for the game like at this point, like I don't need

any more ampness. I'm just ready for the game and I have a story about this I can tell later, but go go with your point. No, no, no, go ahead and tell it now 'cause I mean this will all tie in, I think. You know, I mean, to give you an idea of how fired up I am about this and how I played, I think this was as as always with a lot of these things, this is pre kids. For those of you who don't have kids, there will be a delineation line in your life of pre kids and post kids.

They're both great. But before kids of my brother-in-law and I, we started a Dynas. One of the first times you could do an online dynasty. We did an NCAA Football dynasty. We played 30 years, we saved all of our draft classes and then we went through and played 30 years of Madden, importing each one every year. And it was great, 'cause you're like you're 12 and it's like oh, like Johnny Oates. Like I got that receiver was great. Like I'm so excited to get him.

I got to draft him and I, I remembering I got so good with the four verticals play. I had a receiver like one game. My brother-in-law got I think like 900 yards receiving in one game and was like #1 in the Heisman. And then I just got like 1200 yards. I would literally take a sack, get back to the one yard line and then just have 99 yards for a touchdown. And it was our our stats were. Insane definitely broke the game and I'm very excited for the game to come back.

Anyway, I would recommend for those who haven't watched it yet, watching the dynasty breakdown and and how that modes going, it looks very complex. It looks, it looks, it's like a, it looks like a very kind of on steroids version of what we saw in the last couple of itinerations of the game. And that I'm, I'm fascinated that this is coming back into our lives. I really am like this. It feels for, for our generation in particular, I feel like this

is, it's like a missing link. It's like a, an element of DNA that kind of dropped out of the species and then is back again. And it's fascinating to think about as a college student playing these games. I remember James Turner, you know, host of coaster Crimson cash when when we got to school, we did not know each other. We got paired. It was a potluck roommate situation at Teeter Thompson 5

represent. I had a Sega 16 that I bought off of my my best friend at at home from high school that I brought with me and I had like I think I had NHL 94. I had a couple of other games. It was great, great gaming. But he brought what once he found out I had this, he then brought down his copy of Bill Walsh college football, like 96, I think it was, I think, which I think was the first version. And I remember playing that. I remember then getting a PlayStation for the first time there.

There was a guy down the hall, the Scotty Whalen I think it was, that had a PlayStation and we mostly played like NHL 98 on that. There were people across the hall that had an N64 which we were playing. We were playing like FIFA on that. But then when I got the PlayStation, one of the first games I bought was NCAA 99. That was the first itineration there. And it's wild to think about

when you go back like it was. I went back and actually tried to play it. I have an emulator on my Steam Deck. I'm able to download some of the old PS1 ROMs and and play those. And it's like, wow, I forgot how insanely primitive this was. There were no broadcasters. Like there you had the PA guy, who, as I learned much later, was actually the PA guy for UCLA football.

You had, you know, it was a surprise if your game got selected for television, which is hilarious now when you think the television has broken college football conferences. It's broken the whole sport, but at the time was like a big deal, especially if you're coaching Indiana, if you were on like regional television, let alone the national broadcast, They were just so the recruiting was very basic.

I think that first year, if I'm not mistaken, like there like there was like there was one recruiting cycle. There weren't two. Like there was just so many things that were very, very not advanced about the game. But we all kind of lived this arc through college. If you were in College in the late 90s, early 2000s into early professional years, like for both. Guys like you and me at our age, people who played those early games, like I remember when Boise State beat Oklahoma in

whatever BCS game that was. And that's when kind of the national media was like, oh, this team like they play on a Bluefield. And I was like, I've known this for 9 years. I know about Boise State, like the Idaho, you know. Yes. Yeah, the Dome, it's like with the two walls and the sides, it's like you kind of you started to you, you know, you start the game, you play, you know, I love Indiana.

You play with Indiana socks and you go play with like, you know, Georgia or somebody good or, you know, at that time it was probably, you know, more like, you know, like the Tennessee or something with like. Was a big one or yeah, I remember. I remember even start growing minor on like halfback tosses all the time.

Yeah, so you. Go into like the low level schools and you started to really get to know like, like when Brett Favre was back at, you know, Mississippi State for some, you know, real sports thing. It's like, oh, I know that stadium. I I played three years there anyway, go ahead. No, it is, it's, I, I just think it's, it's interesting 'cause it's, it's one of those games that there was a legitimate reason, obviously why it stopped getting made.

And it, it's, but it's fascinating that with all the changes that have happened in college football, it's coming back. And I mean, there's the, the nostalgia that we're getting from people in advance of this game coming in is like nothing I've seen in a while.

And I think it's great. It's, it's to some degree, it's one of the few things like in, in pop culture that feels like it really worth looking forward to If you are a guy who likes sports, I'm sure there's, we have some of our female listeners who who will play and will be interested. But it, it always felt like a very much like if you were in high school or college when that game was happening, it was in some way, shape or form a part of your life. And it's it just kind of drifted away.

And like many other things that we were used to, like, you know, non superhero movies or, you know, like the other things along those lines, it just was it felt like something that wasn't ever coming back. So it is cool to see it's coming back now. And and we're starting to see some real build up because the game releases in less than two weeks. If you order, if you did the pre-order. I'm also excited because you know the the last iteration was like 2000. 12 or 14?

Well, it was, it's it's NCAA 14. It came out in like August. Yeah, 13 or July 13. I mean, obviously the Internet was there and there was still all of that. But it it the the Internet and the, you know, social media culture has changed so much that, you know, when I was really deep into it was, you know, College in those posts, you know, 10 years after college when, you know, it felt like if we were playing and you wanted to tell me like, oh, I have a great play and a couple play books.

Like you would just basically write it down and like show it. To meet like I'm excited for a world now where I can just go onto a Reddit board and get on a couple of messages and just see like, all right, where's the four verticals play I want to run and like who, what are the variations? Can I watch some YouTube videos of somebody scoring with this?

Like I, there's a whole outside world of playing this game that wasn't available to to you and I when we were really into it that I'm excited to see that kind of develop and. Flourish as well. Yeah, it's it'll be it'll be really fascinating as we move forward here with everything because it's just like there there's always the chance the game isn't going to be good. But I will say, the more I see in these preview videos at least feels like they've gotten the

features right. I mean that, you know, the big issues that we've had with the game, you know, the the older issues were it was kind of clunky in terms of how the game played, especially in those later editions. I got a little feature heavy and I didn't think that the actual on field action was at the level that I would have liked it to have been. And then obviously the concern has been microtransactions, which I think they'll still be

some of that. You're not going to get away from that, unfortunately in, in 2024. But it does look really good. And then the features that they've decided to put in thus far that we've seen have looked really good. And the, the thing I'm really fascinated about, you said you were playing with your friends in an online dynasty. Like, I never really did that because by the time the online dynasties really became a thing, I didn't know you were playing in an online dynasty.

I never got an invite. So you know it's it'll. Be coming, it'll be coming. We'll see. I mean, you can do 32 different people in an online dynasty from what I've heard. So that will be fascinating to, to watch this play out. What I'm a little concerned about, and I think you should be as well. And I, this is a, a thing that I've I've that's been shared by people. You don't realize how bad you get at playing video games as you get older. Games like this that require like, reactions.

And so we've all been on ice for 10 years with this. I know I have not been playing Madden. Have you been playing Madden regularly in the lead up to this? I've not. I used to like I used to like basketball games, which two quick stories, one you talk about rudimentary. I went back and I still have some of my I've emulators, but I have some of the old like my Super Nintendo still works. I went back and played NCAA basketball, which I think was the 1st 3D version of of basketball.

And it is, it's way raw. I mean, it's interesting because it's the, it's the view we now have, but it's just like it's a blue background, just kind of this blue like Tronscape that just goes on forever. It's really bizarre. My, my son has gotten into two K so he's been playing an absolute ton of 2K. I've gone and played some and it's been kind of fun. It is it's tough, man.

Like yeah, my the skills of atrophied and you and I grew up in AD pad button world the the thumb sticks like elite and basketball was always a a tougher game to play than football. Just the the geometry and the way to make things work were always tougher.

But like if you don't use those middle sticks on on 2K, you can't do 98% of it. It's like, and the game just kind of like, well, you're not going to be able to do no look passes like it's just not something you you're going to be able to do. So I'm curious see how that fits in because if it, if there's going to need to be a lot of thumb stick work, I might need to, to start working out the thumbs on this. Cause yeah, it's it's definitely a much different gaming environment.

I wonder if there's AI. Think EA actually blew a golden opportunity here. This is where I was leading to. I feel like they should offer an online boot camp for old people. You know, if you're over 30, you get, you can you, can you just pay 4 bucks and you go. You can practice ahead of time 'cause I just, you know, I, I have a lot of former students who are friends of mine now who I'd like to have in an online dynasty. I think it'd be fun, but I am.

I'm actually kind of petrified about getting obliterated by people 10/15/20 years younger than me playing this game. And I feel like I need some training. And certainly I'm going to download it as soon as it gets started. I'll probably just block out of work for a couple of days so I can try to get up to speed. But I, I really think there's a chance that we might have to segregate by age category with this game because I am worried about just not being able to compete.

Because you see this in, in other online gaming environments. You see it if you play FIFA online or some of these other games online. It's not FIFA anymore, I know, but whatever where you just can't keep up. And it's actually an interesting trend in E sports. If you, if anybody follows E sports where like the average career life span of an E sports athlete, quote UN quote is really short.

And we're talking about like you're out by 22 because you can't keep up with what's going on with people that are 1819 years old. So this will be a fascinating thing. I, I'm, I'm looking forward to hearing all of the stories online about, you know, people our age or slightly younger just getting boat raced. In important games it's it's possible or you could just have the Galen rule where it's like, all right, everyone else is Sunbelt and I'm Georgia right, That's the way we're going to

hold I'm. Sorry, I get to play on varsity level. You're playing on Heisman. It's, you know, that's how it goes. One of the things I used to do is I would just focus on getting really good at offense and then even playing defense, you know, a lot of times I would just SIM the defense. And then when I was playing a real person, I would still just kind of like I'd pick an off a defensive lineman and just I would just put the controller down.

It's like sometimes the the game I'll just it's, it's almost like the old Tecmo Bowl. Like I just hope the defense I picked kind of does well and then I might just run after If you're doing a quarterback sneak. Well, all right, so let's hit a couple other things before we wrap up here, So. Last last video game thing. I just got to say you were talking about this earlier.

It's just a one moment. I have to commend you on a super funny like remembering in a line when you were talking about these games coming out last time and you mentioned like one of the last years they came out with the game and their big thing was like pylon or pylon pylon. Physics. It's. Just I remember that and I remember thinking like who cares? Like who care? I just this is just like a callback like I had not thought of that for 10. Years.

Well, yeah, and when we were first thinking when they were talking about this game happening last year as I was this is where I was worried because it's like this is how how far that franchise had kind of fallen in terms of EAI. Don't know it's it's yeah. So I I was this is what happens with my brain folks is like random stuff sticks in my head for no good reason whatsoever and that's go ahead anyway, so a couple of things we wanted to hit. We had some questions Jim Hoff asked.

Antoine Randall L and Vaughn Dunbar were both named on the 2024 College Football Hall of Fame induction ballot. What do you think their chances are of getting in? And yeah, this is one of those things that I, first of all, I, I wanted to talk to you about the the College Football Hall of Fame. Is this something you ever think about? No. OK, I don't either, which is an interesting thing. It's like Hall of Fame's in general. I feel like we're much bigger deals in certain sports before.

Like I feel like the only two that really matter and are relevant to people are the Baseball Hall of Fame, which has become almost not worth paying attention to because it just feels like a bunch of kids fighting with each other now and

gatekeeping. And then the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which does feel weirdly like almost more relevant than the Baseball Hall of Fame in that it feels like mega exclusive in a lot of ways given the huge number of people that play football and have played football. But anyway, putting that aside, I can't really, if you ask me like how many people are in the College Football Hall of Fame, I don't, I wouldn't get it within a probably 100.

If you ask me, where is the College Football Hall of Fame, right, I I'm not sure I'd be able to answer that question. I I mean, I know it's in Atlanta, but, but it wasn't in Atlanta for a long time. I and I think it was in South Bend for a while, but I always remember like going to Kings Island and they had like a sign for like a College Football Hall of Fame. But it didn't. It was like, is that the real College Football Hall of Fame?

I don't think it was, but it also got me thinking, I have no idea, like does Indiana have any players in the College Football Hall of Fame? And so I had to look this up. Do do you know if Indiana has any football players in the College Football Hall of Fame? I don't. I mean, I would assume Anthony Thompson would be in. He is. He was in the class. He's actually the most recently elected member. He was elected in 2007. I'm going to mess the name George Taliferro. Georgetown Pharaoh's in.

Yes, he was. He was in the class of 81. Yeah. So that that that it's there are only three other members. Indiana has five did. Mallory, make it. No. OK, Well, if he did, he didn't make it as from Indiana like this. I think you had to go to the school. And though the other three are PP OS who most people don't remember, he was actually a, a very high draft pick in the, I think the 40s or 50s Zora Clevenger, who some people might remember that name.

And then John Tavenner, who I have not even heard of. And then there's actually two other people when you type in Indiana that that pop up, but they are both from Indiana University of Pennsylvania, which does not count. However, one of those two people is Frank Cignetti, the father of Kern, Indiana, head coach Kurt Cignetti. Oh. There you go.

There you. Go. But no, To answer Jim's question, I wish I had any kind of an idea of like what the chances are that that either Antoine or von Dunbar would get in. I I had to go look at the criteria for being in and for being inducted in the College Football Hall of Fame. And, and so the the criteria of this are apparently the following. A player must have achieved major first team All America recognition, which certainly

Antoine fits under. A player becomes eligible for consideration 10 years after his last year. Both of them qualify. Football achievements are first, but the post football record as a citizen is also weighed. That's interesting. Players must have played their last year of intercollegiate football within the last 50 years. So there's a kind of a time out on this. You have to have ended your professional career prior to the time of nomination, I'm assuming

as a player, not as a coach. And then coaches have to have had at least 10 years of head coaching experience, coached at least 100 games and had at least a 600 winning percentage, which has been, I think there's a controversy there involving like, I think Mike Leach, who's like right below that, that mark because of something. Anyway, looking at that, I, I don't think Von Dunbar has a great chance of getting in, given that he had a relatively short college career since he

was a junior college transfer. I, I think Antoine might have a decent chance, you know, and, and I think he might be the best bet. And, you know, when I read that criteria, it's, it's hard to think of other IU players that would be in the mix, you know, given that particular set of

criteria. You know, just because in the last 50 years, other than Anthony Thompson, I can't think of a whole lot of other people who had that set of like national accolades and, and made a mark on the game other than Antoine Randallel. I mean, it's, you know, there's, there's certainly been great players. There's been players that have been drafted high, there's been players that have been named All Americans, but very few that kind of would rise to the level that you might expect.

Yeah. I mean, everybody I can think of kind of had a one year, one year run, but didn't really have a two year run. You know, maybe Tevin Coleman with that. That's also what kind of felt like a one year, A1 year thing, you know? I also don't think Tevin Coleman had like major, I guess he was I guess he was he was a unanimous all American in 2014. He was first team all big 10. So maybe that maybe that would

be enough. But I but again, that's the kind of player I'm talking about where it's like, I don't know that anybody really in 20-30 years we'll look back and say, man, you remember that Tevin Coleman season at Indiana. When they something you mentioned in your last podcast that it it it bears mentioning again and again. It now is rearing its head again the 2001 football season with

Indiana over scheduling. You know, I'm I'm rehashing everything you said, but it's like it's great content deserves a second airing. Yes, and we're going to come back to more pylon dynamics here at the end. But you have North Carolina State, Utah and you know, Kentucky or their non conference games. They lose Utah. It is at Indiana and they lose 28 to 26. It's a close game. You you pull that out. That Indiana team is now what, six and five? They're probably going to a

bowl. If you give him two cupcakes there, maybe they're seven and four. And maybe now Antoine Randall L is a Heisman finalist and now he can add that to his resume for the College Football Hall of Fame in a location to be named later in in my mind.

But you know, it's like over scheduling maybe is going to cost Antoine Randall all the ability to be in the College football Hall of Fame and also being a Heisman finalist because then Indiana plays in a bowl and like it, it changes the entire memory of that season outside of Indiana even and what he did. So it that's the first thing I thought of is like, damn it, you know, the scheduling is, is kind of screwing this up again. You you realize, you may not remember that game, but Indiana

lost that game. They they missed an extra point and missed the field goal. That that and obviously lost by two, which which that did not help matters anything. But yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating when you think about the just the way that some of this stuff went for IU. And, you know, we talked about Anthony Thompson missing out on a bowl because Indiana loses at the end of that 1989 season. And they go 5:00 and 6:00. Losing the Heisman and he might have won the Heisman. Right.

I mean, I think he finished second in the Heisman and that but but again, that was a season where, you know, Indiana goes five and six and you know, one of their losses was at Kentucky, which yes, that was a it was a it was a rivalry game. But again, it's like they played, they played two, they they played an SEC school in Kentucky and they played Missouri, who was a Big eight school, you know, in the non

conference. They had one like easy game in the non conference, which was Toledo and you that Big 10 that year. Like they lose at Ohio State, They lose at Michigan, who was fifth in the country. They got blown out at home by Michigan State and they lose at at Illinois, who was 12th in the country. Like that was that was a pretty good team for Indiana.

They they had a, they had three really good wins in the conference, including a big win at Wisconsin, they beat Northwestern, they beat Minnesota, but just no margin for error. In some of these seasons.

It really does make you think if you go back, like if you just take the easy road or the easier Rd., the history is just slightly different enough that maybe there's some momentum that you can build on. Well, no. And you have, I mean, it's so funny 'cause that, you know, when we were in school, this is where time just messes with your mind. But when you and I were in school, the Anthony Thompson era felt like eons before us. I mean, just felt like that might have been, you know, punt,

John punt time. Like that was just 50 years ago. It was only, you know, 12 years before we were in school, the Anthony Thompson was there. Now I look back at, you know, things that happened 12 years ago and it's like doesn't seem like that long ago. But you know, you you change a couple of things here. I know we're playing the what if game, but I've always done this with IU football.

Like you give a couple wins that, you know, won one or two wins in that season, that team goes to a bowl, maybe Anthony Thompson wins a Heisman. So that is in what, 8088, you know. He was 89, but yeah. Sorry, so he has a he has a Heisman win and 89 and maybe a bowl win or whatever. Only 10 years later, you now have another player from Indiana in the Heisman finalist and Antoine Randallel, if maybe they schedule a little easier. And now it's like, all right, Indiana like 10 years.

You have two a Heisman winner and a finalist. Like no one's going to write a book, but like that's, that's pretty good like that. That might be better than a lot of schools you would think of that are in the Big 10. Like you might be the I don't have the the list in front of you. There's probably only a couple schools in the Big 10 who would have a better track record of

Heisman Trophy winners. I don't know if it leads to anything, but it definitely is better than where we're at now where we have nobody who's won a Heisman. I don't know. And it's just like you, you start thinking like that would only be 10 years apart to having two Heisman Trophy finalists. That's pretty Dang good. And I think a lot of it goes back to scheduling. Did you know I'm looking at the, the, the College Football Hall

of Fame ballot here? 5.62 million people have played college football and only 1074 players have been inducted, which apparently is 21 hundredths of a percent of all of the participants. So it's, I guess it's a great honor if you make it into that, that echelon. There's also a ton of people nominated like go, go check out the, the, the FBS player candidate capsule BIOS alone there. I mean, I, I have not counted them, but Antoine Randall L and Von Dunbar are in there with a

ton of people. I mean, and it's, it's, I mean, frankly, like it's names like Michael Vick and Peter Warwick and Terrell Suggs and Tequila spikes and Alex Smith and Ron Rivera. And I mean it's a, it's a loaded group of people. It's, it's, I don't know. So we we'll keep our fingers crossed on all of that, but I that way I just wanted to make sure we followed up on Jim's question. So. Which which logo does Antoine go in with? Does he go with the Oval or does he go with the Trident?

He only played under the Oval. I know. So he would go in under. The I would go into the Oval. Yeah, I don't even know if they have logos they go in under. That's a good point. Will that make it a PTI segment? Probably not. I'm guessing that's that's that's not me as it's the E block. It's the block that happens during the commercial after the show's over, Yes, Luke? Belotta asked, given the corporate on field and uniform sponsorships are seemingly

impending with college sports. And we've seen a lot of this here lately where it's like, this is going to be a revenue stream that college athletics are going to have to tap into. Who would be your choices for corporate logos to appear on our uniforms and on the field? And Luke says, obviously home field apparel, Luke knows how the business runs, clearly. What would be most realistic? What would be most fun? You have freedom to take it where you want.

So Scott, let's start. If we're going to do a field logo for IU football, what are you slapping down at the 25 yard lines? That's a great question. And by the way, college is up on this. We haven't seen like the Big 12 is selling big. It's like they're the Allstate 12 now. They sold the name big. So, you know, you people got up in arms about the NBA putting, you know, a small logo on the jersey. Like college is just unabashed, Like we'll just sell names on things.

I, I mean, I won't be shocked if Kansas State like just renames the whole institution, you know, they, they just become like Deloitte University or something like that. They. Playoff in Manhattan like we're like they just get a whiskey to like name like name this this thing. All right, So what what would you? Well, I wouldn't have the the the Hank Bison anywhere on the field. You're not thinking. You're not thinking that Endeavour is going to be the on field sponsor.

No, no, no. You know, this is where do you go with some of the sponsors that you see all over the place at IU Sports? Like does IU Credit Union take a spot there? Like, are they big enough? Or is this something where the Big 10 is stepping in and kind of like, hey, we're going to help all of our schools? Let's say this is corporate interest, talking to Indiana specifically or really talking to Learfield on Indiana's

behalf. Like we want to, we want to advertise at IU, We want our our logo in front of of you folks, you fans at IU. Not a Big Ten decision. This is something that's coming from the school itself. Yeah. I mean, I think you're going to see a bank, you're going to probably see a bank in an apartment complex on one of those two spots. So I would say probably, you know, IU Credit Union and then, you know, Hunter Property seems to be spending a lot of money in

the Bloomington market. Maybe Granite Properties, you know, one of those property companies might be in there. I, I think this is probably too rich for, you know, a Buffalo Louie's or one of those. But the, you know, the group that owns Scotty's, maybe they're in there. Scotty's Are they around anymore? Like that? Yeah, sorry. Very good. Cut that. Cut that. No, I don't want any discord. We're leaving that in sorry, that's that's not going

anywhere. Scotty's blast Scotty's closed I think like eight years ago in Bloomington, seven-year. It's been a while, but yes and so. But we all make mistakes, you know, but I, I do think there might be one kind of Indiana based larger company that might want to get into it. So I don't know if you see like a Lily or a sales force or somebody like that, try and get into it. But my, my, I'm, I've those are

kind of my initial thoughts. I'm going to let you talk and then think a little bit too and try and find the right answer. That's interesting. Well, it feels like there'd be some good options that won't do it. Like, I think like Culver's like could use more market share. The Culver's is very popular here in Bloomington, but they like Culver's like being a field sponsor for anybody but Wisconsin kind of is, is against their own brand at this point.

Yeah, You know, I, I keep seeing Zaxby's popping up everywhere. There's one in, in like Mooresville now or like like in Camby. I guess it technically is. It's like they're getting closer to Bloomington. Gosh, it's, it's one of those deals where I actually feel like you're, you know, the, the thing about a company like Lily, like what are you putting the logo on the field for? If you're Lily, you're probably not getting a lot of consumer

goods coming through that. I wouldn't mind like Southwest Airlines, who does a ton of business out of Indianapolis. They do so much investment in sports. That would seem like not that SW needs a huge amount of of advertising, but that would seem like a logical kind of connector. You know, if we're, if we're just sticking with like, you know, good scale local businesses, I mean, it would be really cool.

I, you know, and I think the brand exposure for like Upland would be fascinating given that Upland is, is a regional kind of quasi national brand. All that you can get Upland in New York, you can get it in, in Michigan. It would be fun actually, if at least the Midwestern Big 10 schools, and it's weird that we have to delineate the Big 10

like that now. Well, you know, the the home country Big 10 schools, if they all got sponsored by like a prominent local brewery, you know, so like Bells ends up being the field sponsor at Michigan State or I mean, there's no culture in Illinois, so we can't really use Illinois, but like like new Glen do Coors Light. They're just like we don't have it. We're just doing we're doing natty light. Illinois definitely feels like hams territory or something like

that. But like, you know, I you know, the Iowa gets what is what is that one in Iowa? Whatever the the is it toppling Goliath? Is that the, is that the brewery up there? Yeah, I I new. Blair is for Wisconsin and. Yeah, I think that would be kind of a cool, especially if there was a web of those. But anyway, that was that was kind of what I was thinking there. So then I look overall I'm fascinated to see what what's

that going to be worth. I mean, because the, the field sponsorships in particular, that's a lot of TV exposure and you know, with as many people as watch football, it's, you know, to me, there's, there's no problem with it. I mean, it's, it's another way to make money. It's, it's, you don't even have to put it on the field. You probably will want to because you're getting 60,000 people, but you could just project it on. So that'll, I think it'll be an interesting thing to watch.

And I would, I would be on board with the old brewery, you know, field logo things, the, the logo, the, the jersey patch. I mean it, it kind of feels like that one. I, I actually think the jersey patches are you need a, a company that's got a really recognizable and uncomplicated logo. Agreed. Like I was whenever like the Outback Bowl was played, I always felt like the Outback logo was like way too busy.

You know, it was like I, I, I only know what I'm looking at because I've driven by so many Outback steakhouses in my lifetime, But it was like, that's too much to put on the jersey. So that's you want to avoid those kinds of things. But that's the thing.

They're just, it doesn't feel like the the companies that are in Indiana who would like to like do mass consumer marketing like Cummins doesn't need like a lot of people like, you know, seeing their logo on a jersey and be like, let me go buy an engine. Like what, what am I doing

there? And. Salesforce is way more B to B. The one the one thing I am thinking, and I think we might have mentioned this on an earlier podcast, it would be interesting if like Lily is decides like we're going to bust Ozempic out as its own like brand sub brand with its own logo and that becomes the logo. That would be an interesting like let let's put a weight loss injection drug as the the the jersey logo on a team in the Big

10 and see what happens. Just I'm thinking of like you have Ozempic on the 20 yard line, but then the 304050 yard line are all of the sub, all of the the complications and you got to talk to your doctor. It's just like. No, no, no. I think you're going the wrong way with this. I think you have fast food logos on every like hashtag every 10 yards, and then you have Ozempic at the 20 and it's like, well, all right, Yep, that's where

you're headed. Yeah, so that's a, that's a great question because one of the ideas I had to talk to you about for the pot, which we're not going to do is just like if every conference is going to sell their name, what company would go best with the conference? But it's just, there's too many ways to go that way. But I it's going to what, what I think is going to be interesting is, are are I think I know the answer because the answer is

always going to be more money. But are you going to see more conferences like the the Allstate Big 12 or the Allstate 12 selling way more sponsorships and looking so minor league and the Big 10 in the SEC kind of being like, all right, we got a ton of TV money. We don't need to do that. But I I know where this always goes and this always goes to, hey, you brought me a check. We're the Ozempic Big 10. Like that's what's going to happen.

I, I don't know, man. I mean, there was an article in The Columbus Dispatch yesterday covering Ohio State where, you know, the, the they have a new athletic director at Ohio State and he came out and said we're going to have to seek new sources of revenue to cover revenue sharing with athletes because they have a $10 million shortfall in their budget. Now keep in mind, for those who don't know, Ohio State has the second largest athletic budget in the entirety of college

sports. It's like 210 million. I think it is somewhere in that range. It's Texas is the only school with a bigger budget. But the difference is like, and I've mentioned this on the show before, so apologies for repeating myself, but Ohio State sponsors 36 varsity sports. Texas, I think only sponsors like 22. Indiana sponsors 24. We've talked about how Indiana sponsors a ton of sports, but Ohio State sponsors a ton of sports.

And you know, they're either going to have to cut some of those or they're going to have to do things like this where they just look for every possible source of revenue.

Now, you know, eventually I think you're going to have some market correction in terms of coaches salaries because you can't just, you just can't keep paying coaches the insane amounts of money that you're paying them with these budgetary shortfalls coming in. But I think that it is a going to be really fascinating to watch what happens as these athletic departments try to come to grips with the sheer amount of money that they don't have and what they're going to have

to find in order to make it right. So I'm trying to find I I just, I was trying to think like, all right, So what company would be best suited to give money to Ohio State? And I googled like most hated companies in in America. But like the the list is bananas. And like it's a list that has some really ones I wouldn't agree with. But my thought would be like they'd be perfect match for like Exxon Mobil, like Shell Oil just. I mean like. An old behemoth company I I

feel. Like you're, you're, you're missing maybe some better options here, you know, but I think I feel like. On the list of most hated companies, Johnson and Johnson like I guess maybe the the law is like I don't. I mean, isn't Ohio State isn't there perfect match like Blackwater?

That's so great because I feel like yes, people hate Johnson and Johnson because like, you know, they got cancer from Johnson and Johnson. But but they I don't know how many people really wake up in the morning and like, you know, they or they don't use Johnson and Johnson as a pejorative reference everything wrong with like American like government. But Blackwater like had that position for many years. Exxon certainly had it for years as well, you know, so.

They can, they can. Maybe Facebook is up there with her them. Yeah, I mean, but you know, if Facebook, I feel like is, is it like they're not evil enough that this is an interesting thing we need to explore this space a little bit further. Because there I do like the idea of I mean, honestly, it feels it with this and with the the lack of kind of Consumer Focus and quality control. It's like I feel like Boeing's going to get there at some point. That's a great Boeing's a great

for college sports as a whole. Like, you know, there's, there's some analogues there. But yeah, this is this is where we're at with with the world of college sports now, where we're we're seriously contemplating like, you know, very poorly thought about defense contractors as jersey sponsors for majors, major teams in the sport. And as long as the check clears, they're going. To do we're. Going to see, I think we're going to see things on fields, we're going to see things on

uniforms. So. So get ready for all of it. Yeah, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be a wild ride. And I, I'm actually very curious going back to what we started with and wrapping up with this, like how much of this ends up in the video game. You know, the video games on the one hand, the college sports games, in particular college football, they always kind of used the commercialization as a element of realism.

You know, they've had like a Nissan drive that, you know, that they have Brad Nessler voice or they'd have, you know, a few other things that it would sprinkle in depending on on who the sponsors were at the time. So I do wonder like how much of this becomes part of the branding?

And I wondered how much, you know, you talk about microtransactions like there's a world where you could be like, hey man, I'm going to spend $200.00 on microtransactions to buy, you know, digital NIL money for my Indiana virtual football team. But 20% of that is going to a real Indiana NIL collective. Like there's a world where EA Sports could push this into like I'm I'm going to buy NIL money that's going to going to then fund the school that I want to

fund both virtually and real. I think it's, you know, that this is going to be the fascinating thing. It's like everything's on the table and everything, the way that we think about how this stuff gets funded, if we think about it at all. And I think a lot of people have not thought about it at all. It's just going to be fundamentally altered as we move forward. And why not? I mean, where else?

You know, the, one of the things in business and, and in fundraising is you've, you're in donate, you know, trying to garner donations. You want to get people into a state where they feel emotionally invested in what they're giving money to. And you know, that's why to a large degree, like college athletic departments, like when you go to, you're going to renew your season tickets.

Well, boom, there's hey, there's the donation form for additional money that you're going to give on top of this money that you're already giving. In this case, if you're sitting there for hours coaching your own team in your fake dynasty and you're getting, you know, you've got the the fight song playing constantly, you got the colors. I mean, you could not be in an environment that is any more custom made to ask for money than you are right there.

And if you can somehow fit it organically into the play, hey, that sounds like a marketer's wet dream. And it also sounds like a horrific psychological experiment all at the same time. I know we're going back to the game, like I do wonder if the game's going to have any, any humor with what's going on where like if you're the coach, can you come out and complain to your fan base you're not getting

enough NIL dollars? And like, are they going to have pieces where you can like some of the things we've talked about jokingly, like, cause a lot of time, you know, and I understand the game. It's also like the game has never allowed you when it was there to, you know, break the BCS and like have a 12 team tournament. It was always whatever the construct was.

I don't think they're going to have like a conference realignment generator because they'll just want you to buy the game again next year with the updated conferences. But it, I, I wouldn't mind the game having a little bit of humor with those types of with how crazy things are. Like can you buy sponsorship? Like can you bitch to your fans? You're not getting I own dollars and things like that.

Yeah, no, it's a real interesting thing because ultimately there's a a lot of what occurred before in this game was the NCAA, because they were the ones controlling the license would not let certain things in the game like that let 2014 NCLA 2014 and you couldn't do a playoff under the under the set up it which was weird because there was an addition to

the game. I know it was O2 or O3 where you could do a playoff and then the NCAA was like, no, no, no, well, this is this game is not happening because of the NCAA. This game is happening because of the conferences and because of the the NIL settlement. So I do wonder if maybe some humor gets put back in. I was, I was joking with someone online yesterday or a couple days ago about that, where it's like, will there be an option to complain about a lack of NIL

support if you're a coach? I mean, there's already, from what we saw, this is where you need to watch the dynasty stuff where you can like slide into a recruit's DMS. But you can also go look at a recruit's social media history and like get a sense of like what pitches that they need to, to have given to them based upon what they've tweeted or whatever, you know, whatever social media they're utilizing. So maybe there will be some actual like real life funny shit

that goes on with this. I think it could be pretty fascinating. Or maybe like one of those games where like, yeah, as a coach, you have to then read the newspaper, like what's going on in the court hearings. Like I'm going to read the court cases from 20/20/2028 like

what's going on with the NCAA. Anyway, going to be going to be interesting 11 last breaking thing, Rocco Miller, my buddy from College Hoops Bracketology just announced this Indiana hosting UNC Greensboro in basketball this year, which that means, as Mike Schumann from the De la Hoosier pointed out, only three unknown games now for IU in this upcoming season.

So the if you look at the, the the schedule as we currently think we know it. And based on that, I mean those 3 unknowns should probably just more likely going to be just nothing. So, so right now it looks like, you know, from the, from what we've seen in this 2024 25, I actually don't have the schedule up right now. I thought I was going to be able to pull it up, but I'm I, I don't have it at this point, unfortunately.

But you know, scheduling wise, it's it's going to be one of those where the Atlantis tournament is almost certainly going to be kind of the the only major thing that you see in the non conference season. I think you've got some decent teams. I mean, you know, Sam Houston State is apparently the, that, that is a, a game that's going to happen. And Sam Houston State was was a decent team this last year in Ken Palm. They finished 142nd. Greensboro actually finished

147th. So that's another team that Mike Woodson and his staff have scheduled that is not a terrible team. They're they're right in the

middle of the Ken Palm rankings. We know that Indiana's also playing Eastern Illinois, Chattanooga, and then they get, we don't know what the bracket's going to look like for the Battle for Atlantis, but we know that that's got several pretty good teams in it. Arizona, Gonzaga, Oklahoma's there, West Virginia's there, Providence, Louisville, Davidson. So yeah, some interesting stuff as far as all that's concerned. I mean, it does.

The only thing I will say is it, you know, if there's no other real marquee games, it's going to put a real premium on Atlantis. And depending on how that bracket breaks, you know, you don't want to be in a spot where if you, you know, you lose your first game and then you play Davidson and then maybe you're playing, you know, Oklahoma.

There's a path where you could go to Atlantis and because of one tough loss, come away with not a lot to show for it from a, from a, you know, RPI or Ken Palm perspective. And then you're kind of fighting that battle that we were fighting all last year. We're just the the non conference is kind of haunting your entire season. We're going to get into that as we get closer to basketball

season. But yes, also big congratulations to the mayor, Adam Howard, who just got named as the assistant director of recruiting and operations for Indiana University basketball. If you're on social media at all, you, you, you probably follow Adam. If you don't, you should really big congratulations to him. Nice step in his career as he gets a, a permanent position with IU and has been a big part. I know of what the program's

done over the last few years. So anyway, that'll wrap it up for us. I hope those of you who are listening or watching have a wonderful 4th of July. Or if you've already had the 4th of July, We have a great weekend and extended one hopefully for everybody. Scott, any does the does the neighborhood shoot off its own special brand of fireworks or like how does this do you get them imported directly from Macau? Like how does how does this operate? Yes. Yes, directly we have a

shipment. It's funny. I'm laughing only because there is not on our street, but there is the street behind us. They shoot off fireworks and they actually have it synced to an app where you can listen to music and it's like it's a guy who does pyrotechnics and it's like he does a 20 minute show. It's dynamite every year. It's sometimes better than the Westfield ones. The Westfield had drones last year, which is kind of cool. So we have a pretty solid fireworks show here.

So actually it's July. He always does them on July 3rd, so he does them a day early. So we are recording this on July 3rd. I'm about to go hop into my buddy's pool. We're having a pool party and then we're going to watch the fireworks, assuming it doesn't rain. How does, how does waffles handle fireworks? So waffles is my dog, for those who don't know, I don't, I don't bring inanimate objects to the to the, to the party. I have my waffles.

I have my French toast and my French toast is scared. We're very nervous about Scott, my dog. He's OK with him, honestly. He does no barking. He's he's more freaked out with squirrels and noises in the backyard. Fireworks kind of almost are like beyond the level of noise. It's like if he thinks he hears a squirrel, he's going nuts. He doesn't do too well. How how do your dogs do through through fireworks? Nelson no problems. Nelson could care less, frankly,

or couldn't care less. Stewart really struggles, like to the point we've had to kind of medicate him a little bit just to just to calm him down, which makes the the this is the downside to having the holiday in the middle of the week because people started shooting, shooting the fireworks off last Thursday. And they'll go through another yeah. Week and a half, probably. Yeah. It's great, great time. That was not a thing when we were kids, Scott.

Like people just shot the fireworks off on the 4th and a lot of times you were doing it at home. It was great. You'd you know, you'd go by the out of state fireworks and you'd sign the form saying I, I promise I'm not shooting these off in state, which many of you think back on that. It's like that was that whole facade was really stupid, but I would love to know somebody who got arrested for that. Like that must suck. That would that would be a really like, come on, man.

Like, really? Conversely, I'd love to know who actually was like we got to take these out of state like it would like drive to Illinois and shoot them there. It's like, wow, I you are not cool. You you, you are not a person who it would be a whole lot of fun to hang out with. I'm guessing I'll. I'll give you a point if you want to cut this. But like, it's probably the same people who now go to Illinois and like, we got to smoke this here.

We can't go back to Indiana. I don't know what you're talking about, Scott. Anyway, all right, we'll, we'll wrap it up there. Thanks to all of you folks for listening and thank you, Scott. We'll look forward to talking more IU football, IU basketball. We're going to have a fun month of July. Looking forward to the next few months here as we get ramped up for IU sports season. Thanks to Hopefield Apparel and thanks to the entire rest of the

back home network. For all those folks, I'm Galen Clavio. Bring back the Bison. We'll catch you on the flip side. So everybody.