Welcome to this week's episode of the Crimson Cast Women's Basketball Podcast. As always, Kevin Vera here alongside my good friend Amanda Foster and we're going to talk about all things women's basketball. Of course, a big episode for you here today as Indiana is coming off a tough loss against Stanford just a just a week ago. And we'll we're going to preview these two upcoming matches before they get into their big trip over there in Fort Myers.
But first, let me ask you, Amanda, how are you doing? I'm doing well. It is the last week before Thanksgiving break, which I think for everybody is a very tough week. So everybody's super busy, whether it's with sports or with school or projects or whatever it is. So it's been a little bit hectic, I'm not going to lie. But as always, I'm excited to be in here talking about women's basketball.
And I'm excited for the women's basketball that we're going to get over Thanksgiving and even in these next few days. Yeah, I I'm doing OK. I'm a little sick, so I apologize for those that are listening. If my voice is a little, it's. Deeper than it normally is. How awful I we were. I mean, we were just talking before we went on air. How I got AI was reading highlights today in studio in one of my classes and I was just, I was chomping down little. What do they call Ricola cough chops.
So I don't sound as horrible, but anyway, let's get right into it. Like we mentioned, Indiana falls to Stanford for the first loss of the season, a very difficult one. They went over out West and they lost 96 to excuse me. Yeah, 96 to 64 against the Cardinals. It was arguably the biggest non conference game of the year for the Hoosiers, but they just simply got dominated. I mean there's no other way to put it, Amanda. Indiana just struggled. They didn't look like themselves.
They, I mean, they just got beat in every single way possible. We'll get into more of the nitty gritty of that game. But I mean, you you wrote about that game for us. You watched that game. I didn't watch that game entirely because I had to go over and cover the Army game. I watched the first half, but we were texting back and forth of what we were saying and neither of us had really anything good to say. Right.
It's one of those games and it's you feel so bad when you say things like this about about teams and about athletes, but it was really just kind of embarrassing. And like from a from a, you just have to look at it and say, yeah, that was not very good. And I hate, I hate being that kind of person. It just doesn't feel right to me. But from an objective standpoint, it was just not a good game for Indiana. Like you said, nothing was really clicking.
They they weren't really doing what they wanted to. And then Stanford was doing everything right and Indiana couldn't make adjustments. They couldn't get the players going that needed to get going. And they it wasn't that they stopped trying. I felt like they did give effort all the way up until the game ended, which is commendable because they, you know, you have your bench players out there and they're still trying, but it was just not up to par. I think, yeah, it's it's embarrassing.
I mean, you use the word embarrassing and I think that's the correct word to say it. Not because they didn't. I mean, yeah, they didn't play well, but not because of the way they played, just simply because the way they lost. You know, because Stanford came out and just simply, I mean dominate. I I hate to to sound like a broken record and I hate to use that same word over and over again. But is Stanford looked good on every level that you can imagine?
When you beat A-Team by 32 points, there's nothing else to say except that they dominated. So yeah, and I mean, I I was going to try to figure this out. I forgot. I mean you said it. It's a, it's a busy week. I was going to try to figure out where this this ranks and the most and biggest losses in terms of point differential Indiana's had because it would. Have to be up there. It's got to be up there. And especially recently just because recently they've been so, so good.
But yeah, 32 point difference against the PAC 12 team is tough. And and you know Cameron Brink, obviously it started through her for the Cardinals. A double double for her. Twenty points, 17 rebounds. And the biggest story line of that game heading into that that matchup was obviously Brink against Mackenzie Holmes. And I texted you Amanda. I was like Mackenzie just
doesn't look good. Yeah you I I remember and that was that was kind of early on too because it was kind of just right from the get go Stanford with Cameron Brink and Kiki Irf Iriafan. I think, yeah. That's how you pronounce it. I ireasin. Yeah, ireasin. That's what we're doing with it. Well, I think I'm pretty sure that's right.
I'm so sorry if it's not. But they they're both, They're like 6364. They were dominating and Mackenzie Holmes couldn't figure out how to effectively get out of the double team and even effectively kind of get the ball out to her teammates. And she didn't score until the second-half. Yeah, so that that kind of tells you almost all of what you need to know.
Is if you have very little production from Mackenzie Holmes. She finished with eight points and two rebounds and I don't remember when she got those rebounds, but that's like the the fact that she didn't score in the second-half really stands out to me as just if you need to describe the game, that's something that you can point to in it of itself because it was that did not help Indiana at all. But you know, obviously, but that definitely changed up. You know how they were hoping to
to play in the game? Yeah. No, I mean, Terry, we'll get into more better a little bit after the presser because I thought the presser was a very good and indicative of what Indiana was feeling like. You know what I mean? That's, I mean, I know it's a little cliche to say because obviously that's what post game pressers are for, get the thoughts of the coaches and the
players right after the game. But if you watch that presser you you see immediately just the the disappointment in both Sydney Parish and Coach Morin's face because coach Terry Morin said it at at some point during the presser. They are a much better team than what they showed. Yeah, and that's obviously true. You know what I mean? They were one of the best teams last year.
They're one of the best teams heading into into the season this year and but I mean there's just no other way to go around it. They just got dominated on on every level. And Mackenzie to go back home. Mackenzie Mackenzie looked like the game was speed up for her. You know there was the thing about Stanford that they do really well is they they have two big physical post presents. Indiana only has one. We talked about it in the last week. In last week's episode is when
Mackenzie wasn't on the floor. We were curious to see who was going to go in. In this case it was going to be Lily Meister. She played. She played 8 minutes, you know what I mean? But she was kind of the one that's going to that was filling in for Mackenzie. And you know when you have two players like Stanford does and Kiki and and then Cameron Brink and you and you pair them up against Mackenzie, it's it's
difficult just by that. And then when Mackenzie's off the floor, it gets even more difficult. They speed up the game. They use their advantage, which is 2 post players, 2 post players that run their offense. I mean they were the two leading scorers for them. Kiki had 20 points, Cameron at 20 points. I mean, that's 40 points right there. That's. Almost both. Double digit rebounds. Yeah, exactly. They they both had double digit rebounds.
They both had double, double S, could get out of, had 11, Cameron at 17. But they speed up the game. They used Indiana's advance and we actually talked about it. We knew exactly how it was going to go down in terms of what Stanford's plan was going to be. And then Stanford went out, executed it, and then Indiana just simply couldn't, couldn't catch up. They never LED. They never LED at any point in the game and they trailed for the entire 40 minutes, all four quarters.
Indiana was down. And I mean, you know, it's one thing to, you know, be down I guess eight points and then come back. You know, you say fine, that's feasible even, you know, last night I, you know, this is a different example, but Kansas, Kentucky and over in the championship concept, Kansas, Kansas was down 17 points at one point. But you know, you can get yourself back into a game in those type of situations, but when you're trailing for an entire basketball game, I mean
that's that's a lot to ask for. Well, and it's hard to get back into those games when you can't make baskets. Yeah. And they they. There you go. Yeah, that's also to. Put in like very bluntly, that is a big you know it's not going to help you win a game and the the thing that Stanford did so well, they came out so strong and you, like you said, they played so quickly. And they were also making shots that I think Indiana was not expecting them to make.
The way that Terry Moran talked in the post game press conference because she said like they came out and they they basically punched Indiana from the beginning. And the fact that they kept making they made six of their 11/3 pointers in the 1st 10 minutes of the game and Cameron Brink was shooting 3 pointers and nobody thought Cameron. Brink was going to shoot 3 pointers, but she was and she was making them and Indiana could not make 3 pointers.
They went five for 32 and Indiana's not a team. We were talking about this. Who is really? Not necessarily. I don't know if equipped is the right word, but they're not a team that shoots 30 + 3 pointers because they usually don't have to because you have a player like Mackenzie Holmes. But the fact that Stanford was just doing things, obviously Indiana prepped for a long time and they they had an idea of what to expect and I think they
prepped pretty well. I think Stanford exceeded those expectations and was just getting they were hitting all the shots that they were. They were taking basically in Indiana didn't have a way to counter that. I mean you brought up the execution and I think I mean like you mentioned, I mean Indiana went out and they had a plan. I, you know in in my eyes, the way Indiana was going to win this game is with three-point
shooting. Because I mean if you if you play a team like Stanford and you focus on, I mean Mackenzie was getting doubled at the beginning of the game, which brings obviously you have to crash into defenders in the post whenever that happens, meaning somebody somewhere is going to be open probably on the outside, I think that's how Indiana was
going to win this game. But when Indiana wasn't able to get that rhythm sorted out in the first opening minutes, everything just kind of fell, fell down and. Sorry, go ahead. No. And then you we saw it. It just ended up in and then checking up threes and hoping they were going to fall and like because the the idea of it is a great one because you have capable 3 point shooters, but when they're not able.
They get set up and they're not in the right spot and it's just not the right rhythm and right flow. It's you're you're toast. And and here's the thing. I mean, Indiana is more than capable of making threes. But they just weren't making them. I mean. Which, and it's just one of those games. Yeah, it's just one of those games, I think. Unfortunately, I think, yeah. I think it's one of those games where it's Indiana played against the team that was more comfortable at this point of the
season. We I can, we talked about it in last week's episode, you know, and it's just, yeah, it it was just one of those games where nothing was working for you. It was just one of those games where the opponent was just simply better. You know what I mean? I'm not going to go out and say that Stanford's a Final Four team or they're one of the. I mean, yes, they're one of the best teams in the country, but I'm not going to say they're
national champions just yet. But on that night, Stanford was by far, yeah, the better team. Well, and I remember talking about this and I don't know if it was on the podcast, but I was definitely like saying this to people before the game that I thought Stanford did have an advantage. Even though Indiana was technically favored, they were the higher ranked team and all of that.
I favored Stanford. I think I did say that on the podcast and I thought going into it they should have been ranked higher than 15th from the. Get go, yeah, yeah, like 100%. And we saw that because they moved up what 9 spots in the most recent AP poll now but like they should have been higher than 15. I think in Stanford and Indiana we're we're closer well and I going into it than a lot of than
the poll showed. So, and I mean, you can make the argument, yes, I mean it's only the 1st 2:00-ish weeks of the season, but you can make the argument they're the best team in the PAC 12 now because Utah, Utah loss yesterday against Baylor pretty. I mean it was, I believe like 10 points ish or so, maybe a little bit less. But anyway, I mean, yeah, it's it's just Stanford was Dom.
I mean, also just to make her point even bigger about Stanford just being super good, I mean they shot 50% from the field, 11 for 29 from threes. I mean, you can play the best basketball game in your life, but if the opponent is making one out of every two shots, you're not going to win. Yeah, no and. Out rebounding you 50 to 27.
Yeah, it's it's just tough. I do want to point out on the bright side because I we've got it in the notes here that Mackenzie Holmes is now second in all time scoring. Mackenzie moves up all time, 2nd and in the Indiana women's back. That's that's the one. That was her first bucket of the game. Because her first bucket, Yeah. She was only two points off, yeah.
So, right, right from the jump in the second-half, yeah, she moves up into second all time and now she's just behind Tyra Bus, which probably is it is. It's going to be difficult to catch up to her. Mackenzie's at 1925 points. Tyra Bus is 2364 points. You know, I mean, yes, you have an entire season ahead of you still, but you know, I mean that's almost 400 points that you got to get. That's a lot of that's. A lot of points. I actually don't know how many points like Mackenzie has
gotten. I'm. I'm about to look that up. I'm curious per season, but it's going to be difficult nonetheless. But anyway, just another reason why Mackenzie is cementing herself in in this Indiana legacy but legacy. But yeah, yeah, that was one of the things that one of the few bright spots. What do you have for? Us So last year she scored a total of 692 points. So I guess it is possible. So it is possible, Yeah, I guess if you. And then the year before that, 380-1480. And then 344.
Her freshman year. So. So you said 600, three, 8400 and then 300 her freshman year. Fish. Yeah. Fish. OK. I mean, yeah. So it's definitely possible. She Yeah. So we'll see. Yeah, we'll see how this season goes. She's probably got an average what, like low 20s in order to achieve that. Probably something like that. You have to do the math. But I'm bad at math, but I'm bad at. Math.
I'll admit it. But yeah, I mean that was one of the few if not the only bright spot of the game for the Hoosiers and and to sort of wrap things up on on the Stanford game because I know, you know, as as the Indy Indiana fans that are listening to us right now, they probably don't want to hear this whole thing, everybody. Yeah, everybody knows it.
I want to talk about the postgame presser because that was one of the most interesting pressers I've seen in a while from Terry and and Sydney and and you know it, Terry, in her opening statement, we were talking about it earlier today, Amanda, she just said it was an old fashioned butt whooping. That's that's what it was. You know what I mean? Indiana got punched with A12, you know, a little jab, a little cross and and they weren't able to recover.
But the the thing that really stuck out to me from from that is Sydney mentioned that after the team went into the locker room after the game and Terry said, hey, maybe this is a blessing in disguise. And I and I quote a blessing in disguise because I think we hinted at it in the podcast that if Indiana loses this game, they're just simply going to use this game to get better. Because that's what these type of games do to you. You know what I mean?
These type of games when you face a high level opponent and especially when you sort of you know get you know, trampled on, you know it's it's you take a step back and it humbles you a little bit. Right. And and what, forget basketball for a second. What is life? I mean oh boy, no, no, I mean you, you win some, you lose some and when you lose, you know you get back on your feet and then you, you know, you come back out and you come better, you come out on top better.
And and I think that's what this, this is all going to be. I mean Indiana's not really going to suffer from this in, in the long run, obviously not. I mean it might. I mean it's probably going to have implications in terms of seeding once we get to that point in mid in mid March. But you know, even then people are gonna understand this was their first or, I'm sorry, their second game of the season. Right. And there's so many
opportunities to bounce back. Yeah, like you said, and I think, I think my dad said this when I was talking to him about it. Now that you don't have the pressure of being undefeated, Yeah, so like if. You get halfway through the season and you're still undefeated. Like, that's a lot of pressure. I mean, you don't have that anymore because you lost like, you know, So it takes. It's a reality check.
For everybody to know, because like everybody says, and Sidney was talking about this in the post game press conference, everybody says and everybody has this idea that you always have to play your best because the teams that you play are going to want to beat you. But you have to be shown that to
really, truly understand that. And when you have a relatively young team with the freshman and even the sophomores who didn't play in a whole lot of maybe like the most important minutes of these big games from last year, like they have to realize. Really what it takes and so I think that is one of the positives is that now they know what it feels like for better or for worse. But like at this point, that early in this early in the season, that's. I think that's fine in the long run.
Yeah. And and again it's it's a learning curve for everybody. I mean this team, let's keep in mind this team is a top ten team heading into the season. This team is an all American. This team has very good pieces. But there's this team has not played together right that that much. They just simply haven't So and and that was my biggest worry heading into Stanford was OK, Indiana has all the talent in the world and yes they can very
easily win this game. But the one thing that Stanford has in front of them is just simply the years of experience that they have as a group. Well, they're also a relatively young, young group as well. But Indiana especially, just the amount of pieces they have that it came into this year and sort of the new roles that the veterans got to play into, that's something we're seeing for the very first time. So I think that's when you look at it, that's just at a sort of
broad perspective. I think that's why, Indiana. Lost. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's fair. Yeah. So, yeah, like we mentioned, Indiana suffers the first loss of the season. A tough one against Stanford, but you know they'll keep on moving. They got their they got two games this upcoming weekend. This next upcoming upcoming game is November 17th this Friday against Murray State. A little bit more about the Racers. The Racers went 15 and 16 last year.
They had a good season. In 2122, they went 22 and 10 that year, made the NIT tournament, eventually lost in that one, but had a little bit of a down year. This is their second game against a Power 5 opponent and they already played Arkansas just a few just a few days ago and lost that game against the Razorbacks. But a key player for Murray State is Caitlin Young. She was voted to be a mid major player of the year candidate.
They are sort of near the bottom of the Missouri Valley Conference. They are picked 8th right now in their pre season pull. It's just their second year and in that conference they were in the OVC beforehand. But yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts heading into that game, Amanda? I'm going to be honest. This is a bounce back game and this is a game that Indiana needs to win handily, and I think they have.
They're very capable of doing that, but that is that is what this game is. This is an opportunity for them to get checked back in. Of course it's a guess against a lesser opponent than Stanford, obviously, but it doesn't matter. And it like at this point, it doesn't matter who you would be playing it if whatever team it is it, you need to approach it as seriously as you would any other game. Because you don't want any of the the negative feeling or the negative mojo if you will from
Stanford to carry over. I'm also curious to see because I was looking at the the stats from Murray State and they're they're a decent 3 point shooting team and the the three pointers are something that has stuck in my mind since the Sanford game because I'm just curious what Indiana how they're going to adjust to that because they we've we talked about this they have very capable 3 point shooters.
So I want to see how they, how they approach that now because obviously you're going to have Mackenzie Holmes who is not going to be as challenged as she was, so she'll be able to pick up some of the slack. But I would really like to see a concentrated effort to get like City Parish, Garden Grozone and Sarah Scalia, a lot of attempts from three and have them make them because that we talked about it.
That is such an important part of this team's game, and I think this is a really good time for them to work on that and figure out kind of how to fix what went wrong against Stanford because they did have open shots, they just weren't making them. Yeah, I mean, sorry, you said it perfectly. This is a bounce back game. I mean, Indiana is gonna, you know, when you're playing an opponent like this, I think the one thing that you want to see is just sorry.
The one thing you want to see is just the. Sort of the emotional and mental bounce back more than anything. Yeah, the game is one thing, but it's more about the mentality. Yeah, I mean, you have all the talent in the world. I don't want to say not practice and just go out there and hoop, but I mean, you have the talent enough to take things a little bit less less, be a little bit more loose out there, you know
what I mean? You're not, you know, going out there and playing a top 15 team in the country, but. Yeah, I mean, I think really it just the thing I'm going to be observing Friday night is I'm going to be watching the bench. I'm going to be looking at sort of just like as weird as this may sound, like the posture and sort of the facial expressions of everybody on the team on the bench, on the court. Because, you know, it's not easy. You know, it's not easy to, you know, be.
You know, be the defending Big 10 champions and be one of the best teams in the country and then go out and lose by, you know, 30 plus points in a game that you expected to go a lot better. You know what I mean? You know? So yeah, I I think that's the biggest thing that I want to see from Indiana is just sort of the the way they carry themselves before the game, during the game, after the game, how what are the spirits feeling like because? We're going to talk about this
later. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. But yes, they have 222 games before that are relatively easy before Tennessee. And I mean, Tennessee is also a top team in the country and so and and they have big post players. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I mean, look, it'll be a bounce back game for them. I think they'll be more than just fine, but just sort of the way the attitude this team is
going to have. For this game is what I'm going to notice because you know it it takes a lot to go up there and and on a, you know, in front of your home court on a national stage and and come back after a crushing loss like that. And you got to look at it the right way, right. You know what I mean? You got to look at it with with all, with everything in mind like, hey, this like, I mean Terry said it a blessing in disguise a learning curve if we should say. But yeah, I mean.
It should be pretty easy. Is there anything else you want to throw out there about that game? No. Kind of just like you said, it's it's all about perspective. And there's no way that the, in my mind that the mentality hasn't shifted a little bit for this team after that loss. But I also think that they are fully equipped with the leaders that they have on the team and on the coaching staff that they they're going to be locked in.
And I'm not really concerned about their mentality because they have everybody either knows what it's like to lose or can hear what it's like. They all they all work together. They all know each other. They can alltel each other and work and figure out how to come into it with the right mindset. And so I think it's just it they're, I think they're going to be, they're going to be just fine. Yeah. One more thing before we go on
to the other game. I'm actually really excited to watch Caitlin Young. We talked about her a little bit. She's one of the better players and she has the chance to be one of the best players in at the mid major level and she's really setting herself to be at one of the better players in Murray State history. Just last year she was able to, you know, be a preseason first team in the MVC. She led the team in scoring with 21 points per game. She was eventually named to the
first team. All MVC, most points that made third most points in a single game ever in Murray State history with 43 against Drake. That was back in January. So yeah, I'm, I'm, I mean a very good quality player right there. Excited to see her pair up against Mackenzie Holmes. So to see how Indiana goes up against her especially you know when you we we've been talking so much about forwards and post players and whatnot. But yeah, that game will be on Friday, 7:00 PM. Eastern here.
We'll both be there. Of course, of course. But yeah, that's the first game of this week for Indiana. The second game will be Sunday, November 19th at 2:00 PM, two PM against Lipscomb. The Bison were 20 and 12 last year, but one of the best seasons in program history after a tough 2022 season. Sort of similar to Murray State in that. In that perspective, they were 20 and 10 or I'm sorry, 10 and 20 that season. But then. Eventually made the flip to 20 plus wins, Twenty wins that season.
It was their best season since 2003, 2004. They eventually lost in the Ace on conference semi finals against Liberty. They were picked second this year just behind FGCUFGCU. We were talking about Amanda, one of the better mid major teams. They were ranked last year at one point and they have three all conference preseason players. Bella Vinson, Aaliyah Sorrentino, an Ole Miss transfer and then Jayla Holcomb, three of their best players on the team.
And then a very important thing to throw out there. They're bringing back everybody from last year's group, You know what I mean? You don't see that nowadays at any level of college basketball, men's or women's. You don't see that really at all. They added three freshmen to their team. They're returning all all starters. They're returning. I mean, yeah, I said it, everybody from that team. So that's going to be a very interesting game, just simply because.
You know that's the game before Tennessee. We'll see how in Indiana will do pretty well against Murray State. But this is definitely not a game that you can just brush off, right? Right. Well, and you said I, I'm really excited to see Lipscomb because of The Who they have. Everybody's coming back and what the chemistry presumably is like within that team and how well they work together because they're coming off such a good season.
I'm excited and it is. It's so unique for basketball to have a team full of returning players like you said that you you never see it. So that's something that I think is going to be really fun and it's it's like you said, I feel like it's somewhat similar to the Murray State game where and not so much as a bounce by game obviously because it is not going to be following the the loss to Stanford or anything
like that. But it's another one of those games to just work on the little things and work on the basics and the techniques of everything because you have to go into Thanksgiving week and Tennessee and Princeton as confident as you possibly can be. And so I think that's really what both of these games are going to are going to do or hopefully are going to do is just kind of instill that confidence in all of Indiana that they they know what they're
doing and they can produce and be effective on the floor no matter who they play or and who they match up with and who's on the floor with them. So that's that's kind of the biggest thing for me. I think it's just going to be another confidence building game, yeah, but if if everything goes as expected. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think Indiana will obviously win that game, but it's, you know, that's a game that like I said, you can't just brush off.
They averaged nearly 70 points a game last year, 69.4 points a game. They were a fairly good 3 point shooting team. 33 point 33.9% of the time, shot 7 threes a game. You know, it's a very good rebounding team on almost off average, 40 rebounds a game, almost 12 assisted a game for that team. So yeah, it's just a team that's on the rise especially. I mean, we talked about the tough season they had two years ago, but then the overwhelming mean, really good season they had last year.
And I mean, you're bringing back the talent that you have from the year before. You're bringing back your players that you're confident in playing, sort of like the opposite of Indiana that Indiana just simply doesn't have. A lot of chemistry right now just because they haven't played together for that for a long period of time. So yeah, that's gonna be a fun game to watch. I actually won't be here. You'll be here cuz I'll be going back home for Thanksgiving break.
But yeah, that's definitely gonna be a game that's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah, and I think this just kind of popped into my mind. But just it's schedule wise. Indiana picked these two teams to play for a reason. And whether or not it's because they think they're going to give them a challenge or because they think that they're they thought they were going to need some sort of get right game.
Like these two teams still were selected to and they'd still agreed to to come play Indiana. And so you said it. Neither of them are just you can't brush them off. You can't ignore how important they are in the grand scheme of things. And especially when it comes to women's basketball, I think people and in in college basketball in general, people don't understand that the non conference games that are scheduled are one, scheduled with conversations a lot in advance, right.
And they and two they all have a reason behind them. You know what I mean? There's, there's a reason why the director of basketball operations at whatever school, at whatever program, they're always caught talking back and forth with programs. That's actually one of the things I've I was able to learn last year. I was on the call for Big 10 plus Indiana versus Bowling Green, and there was a storyline in that game.
The director of basketball operations for for the women here at Indiana is Liz Honiger. Liz, if you're listening to this shout out to you, very great person. She was really nice to me when we were able to talk, but she was actually a Bowling Green alum, one of their best players ever, actually, in the program's history.
But, you know, before the game we were talking about what it just what goes into, you know, scheduling these type of games, not conference, because obviously you're granted to play Michigan State, Purdue, Iowa, whoever it may be once or twice a year. But games like these, I mean, what goes all into it? And essentially she was explaining to me was, you know, you talk between front offices, between athletic departments, but, you know, the people can say no. I mean, people can say no, but
usually teams. Reach out to the other for a specific reason. So and and look I'm not I'm not going to sit here and lie. I don't know how the conversations began between Murray State and Indiana or between lip scum and Indiana. But essentially with my point of talking about this is there's a reason behind you scheduling these non conference games. So I mean, when you're scheduling a team that is coming off their best program, one of their best seasons in program history.
You're doing that for a reason. You understand that there's a not an advantage that you're going to get something out of this in this game. So I mean that's that's one way to look at it and would like we mentioned very excited to watch that game. You know, it's unfortunate not a lot of people are going to be here in town just because. I mean a lot of people are going to be leaving for for Thanksgiving break, but out of the non conference games if you
take away the Stanford the. The Tennessee. The Princeton. I think this Lipscomb game is honestly near the top of the more intriguing games for Indiana. Yeah, no, definitely. I think intriguing is a really good way to put it because it just it is, it's going to be, it's going to be an interesting matchup I think and everything happens for a reason, so. There we go. If you take one thing out of this podcast episode is that everything happens for a reason.
But anyway, that does it for us this week at the Crimson Cast. Women's Basketball Podcast. Just like we mentioned, Indiana will finish out their season with the two games, one on Friday and the other one on Saturday. Sunday or Sunday. Yeah, correct Sunday. But yeah, Indiana's trying to bounce back after that tough Stanford loss. We'll talk next week about the Tennessee match up over that Fort Myers. Amanda, you're going to be there. I will be there. I'm very excited.
Very. Excited Indiana will play. Tennessee. Princeton. Over there in the Fort Myers What's it actually called? Fort Myers Invitational Tips. It's got some long name, I don't remember. Yeah, it's one of, it's one of those. I think that's what it's called, Fort Myers, the Fort Myers tip off and then it's sponsored by somebody that I don't remember who it is, but. We're not sponsored by them, so don't say so. True. We're sponsored by home field
though we are. Yeah, we're sponsored by home field. So shout out to home field. They're actually going to New York. I saw that. Yeah, they're going to New York next week for the men. All right, not next week, this week, this weekend, this Sunday, Monday. So they're going to be out there. So shout out to home field, Always good to support the local
brands. But anyway, as always, follow us on our personal Twitters at Amanda Foster at Kevin Vera and then also read our stuff over there inside the hole, I think. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good website over there. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's pretty they they got some good writers. They got some good writers, a couple, a little handsome one I've heard from Saint Louis,
but. But anyway, so yeah, follow us on Twitter. Read our stuff over there inside the hall for all things Indiana basketball, both men and women. But for Amanda Foster, I'm Kevin Vera. Thank you so much for listening. And we'll catch you next week for another episode.