Bat bi hiru lau Watch your back, watch your back Ertzaintza's gonna get you Watch your back, watch your back Ertzaintza's gonna get you Watch your back, watch your back Oh, there's a crime here It's a coming from the Euskal Herria Gotta wash those red hands It's the crimes of the Basquelands It's the crimes of the Basquelands Mm-hmm So what are we drinking today, Douglas?
Well, I'm on a simple beer that does not merit mention I mean, let's say hi to Galicia from it And everybody who knows, knows And then you guys are drinking Rose By Faustino Which is a very well-known brand here Yeah And it's actually from Navarre Mm-hmm It's called Faustino Rivero Ullecia And it's from Correia in Navarre, in the south of Navarre Just north of Tudela is where this is from Nice Wow, I'm drinking it. It is nice
Is it nice? I didn't actually try it, but I believe you Let's go for it So this is from Hold on to your chapella Yes, hold on to your chapella This is from El Paso, Texas Oh, the U.S. of the U.S.
Yeah So I'll read the headline to you Driver killed in Donifin Road rage shooting Father, sons arrested on murder charges Ooh So Raul Alberto Orozco So we've had a few Orozcos Orozcos, yeah It's quite a common name It's a common name and it's connected to a town called Orozco So Raul Alberto Orozco, 53, and his sons Jose Alberto Orozco, 28, and Christian Bailey Orozco, 21, are accused in a roadway confrontation that resulted in the death of 32-year-old Marcos Fino Jr.
It's like a triple bass crime Yeah So this shooting occurred before Yeah, this, it's Texas, Douglas So the shooting occurred shortly before 6 p.m. on Donifin Road, or Drive, sorry, near Montoya Road in the Upper Valley, so I don't know Anyone that's familiar with El Paso would know where that is We do not, right?
We don't, no So Raul, the father of Orozco, was driving a truck and Fino was driving a car when they got into a road rage altercation on Donifin Drive Raul began chasing Fino, who had three other people with him in his car and during the chase, Orozco called his sons for help Oh my gosh Yeah So near Montoya Road, the two sons maneuvered their vehicle in front of Fino's car, blocking him in while their father blocked the car from behind with his truck Oh my gosh Yeah It turned so quickly
An argument erupted in the street, then turned into a fight between the Orozco brothers and Fino and a man who was a passenger in Fino's car The police said during the fight, Jose Orozco, which is one of the sons, shot, allegedly shot Fino Mmm Yeah, so the Orozcos left the scene and called police from Montoya Road So they were the ones that called the police Oh man A passenger in the car was rushing to take Fino for medical help when he flagged down a police car on Donifin Drive
but Fino died in the shooting Man Yep So Jose was jailed under a one million bond, while his father and brother were each jailed on a $500,000 bond in the county jail That story is quite odd, right?
Because of the idea that the dad was driving, got pissed, and then took the time to call his sons Yeah, not the police, his sons And be like, whatever you're doing, drop it, I need you to block this guy in I can give you a spot for you to get in front of him Yeah, it's so like It just screams America, you know?
It's like, the police are shit The police probably treat them like shit and they're not going to get any help So, may as well take the matter into your own hands They have guns, clearly they've thought about that before, that's why they have guns Because if, you know But a lot of people just have guns Sure, especially in Texas But you know, that's the thing, especially in Texas, it used to be 100%, not 100%, but it used to be overwhelmingly Republican
And that's the kind of person who doesn't believe in the state, who doesn't believe in the function of security being paid for by anybody else It's your responsibility And that's such an American thing And very Texas, too From our European point of view, of course There's grades of So, I just think it's one of those many signs of just a very big division My heart goes out to everybody, slighted by the bad police system Which leads us to your story, right?
It does, so we're going to mention some stories, a couple of stories about fiestas Which are the fiestas for Bilbao In Basque we would call them hayak, that's the name for fiestas So, Bilboko Hayak And there were 17 people arrested on the last Friday Well, there's only one Friday, isn't there? Oh yeah, that's true, there's only one Friday Because it's, Aseneguizia means the big week, and it's from, is it Saturday to Sunday?
Sunday Exactly But Sunday the following week Yeah, so like, that's why it's a big week Yeah It's like eight or nine days And so 17 people were arrested on the Friday Two for assault, nine for robbery and theft, and two for drug trafficking were the numbers And actually that was up 50% from last year Wow According to the mayor But then the mayor quickly added, not because there's more crime But because we put more police, because it's what the people needs I disagree with the mayor's assessments
So I heard there was just like so many undercover cops Yeah, 900 apparently 900 in the Chosunas? Like Friday night Okay, so there are 900 on duty, just some were probably undercover and others were probably in uniform A ton were undercover Yeah A ton were, I was like, people knew this, they were telling me, they were like, careful everybody's probably police Who was it that was telling me that?
Not that I was doing anything too bad They were really obvious too, like if you really stopped to look Someone was saying this, I can't remember who it was If you really stopped to look you could tell who the undercover cops were because they were like really over the top Like wearing like a chapella Oh my gosh They were like super dressed, like as if they were trying to fit in or something, I don't know, I can't remember who was telling me that It's probably how we dressed 10 years ago
So you like stopped to look at them, yeah You could tell who was undercover That's a great one I just wanted to add a couple more stories about fiestas Okay One of them was that there is the Bilboko comparsa that denounced the use, the commercial use of marijaya So it's just like a big puppet Mask Yeah, so she's like a symbol of the fiestas, right?
Yeah, for sure They say, quote, that marijaya belongs to everyone and no one and means party, joy, and popular fun Marijaya does not want to sell us anything or make deals with merchants Yeah This is happening when the image rights of marijaya were bought by the city council for 440,000 euros Who had them before?
Whoever made her, whoever designed her Okay And he sold them so that guy made a killing They sold it to the city council for 440,000 euros, they signed a contract for the transfer of property rights, intellectual property, reproduction, distribution, and communication of marijaya That doesn't sound good Yeah They held a performance where dozens of people removed labels and trademark stickers that marijaya had attached to her clothes So that was their little protest they put on
Basque language was pushed out of Spanish society for a long, long time And so that kind of control of government, of symbols, of people, and a culture is a very touchy issue I think it's the idea that the fiestas will be commercialized and then they'll lose all of their spirit But that's the thing, she always loses her spirit on a Coca-Cola can Right, like if that's what they end up doing with it, then yeah, you're like, now it's all just gone corporate
It's like all those music festivals that go corporate, and it's just all about corporations Co-opting popular things that Because remember in our episode we were just talking about how the whole point of it was to make it about the people And allow the people to create the fiestas, not be in the hands of Corte Ingles or even Town Hall To make it more like a popular thing where everybody's involved, and it's for everybody Alright, I've got one more fiesta story This one is in France
You mean Northern Basque Country? Yes, French Basque Country or Northern Basque Country Yes, the part of the Basque Country controlled by France Yes, so this is their fiestas in Bayona A 46 year old man died Oh my gosh Yes, very terrible, so he was attacked in Bayona on Wednesday night, July 26th He was a 46 year old man He died after being in a coma for nine days Oh my gosh What happened was the victim reproached three men for urinating in front of his house, like in the door to his house
And they just attacked him and beat him, and one of them punched him so hard that he suffered from a cerebral hemorrhage So he was hospitalized and then went into a coma and then died nine days later So, some bad news about fiestas Very sad But like pure Basque Country form, there was lots of protests following this Like in favor of the guy Like just like this is bullshit, this should happen Very sad, I mean, French police don't have a good rep right now either, have they ever?
Okay, so another story, so 23rd of August, or before that, I'm not sure when this first happened But the big story that we need to follow, Douglas, because this could be a future episode Is they found a body in a suitcase on our tenda And you know, people mention this, because people by now know we do this podcast Yeah, Douglas, Douglas, horrible news You got into the dismembered body in the suitcase Julie will deal with that Yeah, I'll take on those gory ones
This urtanda is like, so Bilbao is in a valley, but there are two mountains that are on each side of the valley One of them is urtanda, okay So yeah, we're on the river and it flows north towards the Biscayenne Bay And on the right hand side we have that river, that mountain, urtanda So they found a body in a suitcase, and they're trying to identify the victim, right?
Still Yeah, so the scientific unit of the urtanda continues working on the investigation of the burned human remains So it's burned as well Found in a building on Mount Urtanda in Bilbao Whoever is in charge of the security advisor, would you like to guess his first name? Jose Close, Josue Josue, oh I don't even know if Josue is Jose in Basque, but hey I thought Joseba was Or is that Joseph?
Joseba might be Joseph Anyway, so Josue Ercorreca Very very traditional Basque surname He's the security advisor, I don't know what that means But he acknowledged this morning that this is a, quote, particularly complex investigation Although it is progressing with the little material available Okay, something's going forwards So on Saturday, August 19th, that's when the body was found Emergency services found several human remains with signs of violence in an abandoned building in Urtanda
Where the Miramar restaurant was located some time ago The remains were found inside a suitcase that had been burned Ercorreca explained that work is being done to identify the victim through the physical and anatomical elements That are preserved and present in the suitcase Specifically, he has detailed that they found several fingers and that, suitably rehydrated, they could serve as a basis to identify the fingerprints and find the identity of the victim That's what they gotta do
Sounds like 1950s investigation, how about DNA, you know?
I mean, I know nobody has DNA tests here Well, you have to have something to compare it to That's what I'm saying, nobody takes DNA tests here Right, so like, unless It's not on record, it's out there, everybody can find me Well, the, you know, like fingerprints would imply that perhaps this was like, you know, criminals, this person that's the victim, was also involved in some sort of criminal ring and perhaps has a prior record No, but even if it's Where fingerprints were taken
Even if it's your ID cards Because I don't think they take your DNA, they don't take your DNA, they take your fingerprints though Yeah, yeah, yeah So that would be the easiest way For your ID, for your ID Right Your ID, yeah, that's right, your ID They do take a fingerprint, yeah So that's probably what they're going for Yeah It doesn't need to be a criminal Okay For like fingerprints That's true At least you're big
So they said in relation to the, um, the people who committed the crime, there's no information, they have no idea So it's difficult to speculate about their motivations when neither the identity of the victim nor that of the alleged perpetrator is known But it sounds like it was a violent death I mean So the restaurant closed in 2019 It's so lame Yeah, and it was completely abandoned since then So it is common though for people to be wandering around the building
So like, you know, probably teenagers I wonder who found it, a teenager probably So the thing is, I, when I heard, when people were telling me about it, it wasn't clear where it was And the thing is, up on that mountain, the top of the mountain, up until the Civil War, it was like, there was an enormous casino there And there was like, what do you call it, like a skate, skating rink, like ice skating rink for winter And there was a golf course
And eventually after the war, they built like, what do you call it, like an attraction fair for like children and all those things Like little attractions park, yeah Yeah, like, it just never really took off, those things So there's lots of, yeah Like, yeah, like abandoned things So I thought it was there when people talked about the suitcase And then now it was just like a restaurant close to that, right?
Yeah, no, no, no, further, it's like right above, it's actually quite near the funicular Oh wow It's not far off from there Right, because there's still the funicular that used to go up And then you start heading down towards the north, right, like towards the sea, that direction There are a couple of restaurants, I've seen the restaurants
Oh really, so where's the north? That's a more busy area, I would have expected it to be Towards the south, where it's more abandoned No, the south is where that abandoned attraction park is, yeah Crazy Yeah, so we'll have to see if anything ever comes of that, see if it can be a future episode Yeah, we'll have a revisit at some point, I hope Stay tuned, yeah, maybe they'll just never figure anything out Yeah, but wow And then what do you do, it just becomes cold and
I mean, at least at some point a cousin's gonna do a DNA test and we're gonna identify him Yeah I can tell you that That's possible We can't escape that in 2023 You know you have to give permission for that, did you give permission for that?
It's all given I didn't give permission for that My DNA is all over the American system I'm sure they got Don't do anything No, but all my cousins, all my cousins are fucked, so Hahaha Plus I've got my family tree out there, so Oh, you're fucked Douglas, just be a good boy I'm not fucked No, no, just be a good boy The day I do something wrong in fact Yeah Let's do one more story So this is in Navarre Navarre
So this is a woman in Navarre is being investigated for appropriating 150,000 euros from her deceased father-in-law Ooh So the woman investigated used the power of attorney without No, she used her, I guess she had power of attorney Yeah And then she went to clean out His accounts His father-in-law's accounts, it wasn't even her father, it was her father-in-law Yeah So she's a 42 year old woman living in Merindar de Olete
So the investigating agents carried out an analysis of the accounts, movements, and power of attorney, the ATM withdrawals, and cash movements Mm-hmm Okay, so since the power of attorney was granted to her, the victim's account went from having nearly 150,000 euros to 440 in 45 days Wow, she worked hard You got to work I didn't even know you could do that per day That's intense So I think my bank would be calling me if I tried to take more than 2,000 years out of my account
They would be calling, but he's dead, so nobody would answer I mean, they might call her Or they'd be calling her, exactly, they'd be calling her and she'd be like, no, no, no, everything's fine Yeah, still though Everything's fine Oh my gosh, I'm so scared of paperwork I'm trying to, somebody turned her in, I can't find the part of her who was turned in Husbands I think it was the actual son Yeah, oh my gosh, wow
Oh yes, a complaint was received from an heir to investigate an alleged donation his deceased father had given to his sister-in-law Yeah It sounds like she was married to one of this man's children Yeah, yeah Right? Yeah, because normally it's only like your parents or your children who are direct, what do you call them? Heirs Heirs, that's the one Yeah At least in the Basque Country Yeah, here, that's how it works So yeah, that's the one An heir, an heir
An heir was like, where's my money? This bitch took it all I mean, good for that heir, I hope that heir gets something but heir Yeah, do you want to hear one more? Let's go for it, we're good, we're good Okay, this is the story that Megan turned me on to Ooh Our producer here, Megan Hey Megan, hey Okay, so this girl named Our discreet producer you meant Yes, she makes me stay quiet This is in Arizona, so it's another one more for abroad, okay?
Arizona, the good stone Alicia Navarro, that's her name Nice and easy She is 18 and reappeared this week after being missing for four years Oh, so she turned up again She turned up That's nice So a Montana man has discovered he was neighbors with Alicia Navarro, the missing Arizona teenager who was down to live in Montana four years after she vanished Oh Montana's a place to go if you want to escape, right? You want to hide, right?
I mean, that's what it used to be Garrett Smith, this is their witness, 22, estimated that he saw Navarro around 30 times in the apartment building he shared with his girlfriend I'll give her name too, Megan Alexander, like our producer here She's 23 In the city of Havre, I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce it, Havre, H-A-V-R-E, Havre, I don't know how they pronounce it I mean, in French How would they pronounce it in Montana, yeah? In French it would be Avre But in Montana?
Haver Haver, yeah, maybe, Haver Okay, so the day before, Navarro showed up at a police station close to the Canadian border earlier this week and identified herself as the missing teen who vanished in 2019 Smith, this man, the witness, had heard her yelling at the man that she was living with So I was, his is a quote, I was here the other day and I heard them yelling She did say, I will go back, but that's all I heard That makes sense, very little information, but okay
The next day Navarro walked into the Haver police department Oh, I got it, I got it, it is Haver, Haver, Haver Haver, okay, Haver, excuse us, Montanans, we don't mean any disrespect Hoppin' Haver Haver police department and asked to be taken off a list of missing people in order to obtain her driver's license And her desire, stating a desire to live a normal life Oh my gosh, this is so weird Right? Oh hi, I know I'm like registered as a missing person, but can I just go drive?
Well she finally turned 18 and that's when she went to say, she got her name off that list I mean, she She went missing as a 14 year old Oh, this is a gray area Smith said, this is still the neighbor talking, all their information is from this neighbor Smith said Navarro and a man in his 20s were living in the apartment building for about a year I would see both of them walking out, he said, quite often, I think I saw them holding hands once when they were leaving
But he'd only spoken to her just days before she went to the cops, saying she was looking for her uncle by a post office So she was She was asking for directions, she looked scared, Smith said, noting that despite being barely younger than him, Navarro referred to him as Mr. So she's 18, he's 22, this guy is like the witness She said she was walking with her uncle and got lost, and she's looking for 6th Street I later found out that she was referring to him as her uncle They were holding hands
The 20 year olds, 20 something year olds? The 22 year old witness said that when he saw this man that she was living with, who looked in his 20s She called him uncle He'd see, and she referred to him as uncle I mean, if, yeah, that's weird, eh?
Let's say he's Totally weird, this is totally weird Let's say he's 26, so when she was 14, that would make, so he would be 22 Smith said that Navarro's voice was scratchy and that she often appeared in bad shape Her braces looked pretty bad, she had braces on when she went missing in Arizona in 2019 Oh my gosh, it never It looked like she still had the same braces on Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh So police and That's the most objectionable thing I've heard so far Yeah That is so sad Yeah
That's clearly abuse She went to the police, the police said that she appeared to be fine and in good health A day after Smith heard her yelling at the man she was referring to as uncle, she went to the police She literally walked into the police station and said, I am Alicia Navarro, I am reported missing and I would like to be taking off that list and get a driver's license I don't think it's that simple, but Oh man Steel said, Steel, I don't know who Steel is, I think it's the Is that there?
Oh, Trent Steel, president of the Anti-Predator Project and spokesperson for Navarro She said she wanted a Montana driver's license So Navarro, who has been described as having high functioning autism, was just 14 when she slipped out of her Glendale home in September of 2019
An officer asked her, did anybody hurt you in any way? No, nobody hurt me, Navarro replied Ah man, is that all of your ass So it remains unclear how a Navarro now 18 traveled more than a thousand miles alone to a small town on the border of Canada to identify herself to police Or where she's been since vanishing So So many issues there, right?
The mother says this is proof that miracles exist and she urged other family members of missing children not to lose hope Anyway, pretty crazy though, right?
Look, if I thought she might be dead Like yeah, you'd think as a parent Of course, I'm so glad she's alive Yeah Of course To do to do All right, well then thank you for listening again and yes, contact us with any story ideas you have, crimes of the past, there's a Gmail Follow us on Instagram Instagram, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, Spotify Since our last podcast, we've uploaded actually all of our podcasts to YouTube So if you use YouTube a little bit better
It's true, me too It's just a podcast, we haven't added any images
Really? But yeah, you can, you know, you can listen to us there as well Mm-hmm All right That was my notes Lots of love We bid you A-Gur Crimes of the Basque Lands is written and produced by Douglas DiCarvalho Julie Garcia And Megan Dooley The sound and editing for each episode by Douglas DiCarvalho And Megan Dooley Theme song written by Douglas DiCarvalho Julie Garcia And Megan Dooley Sung by the choir with no name and produced by Tom Squires Podcast art by Distinct Signal
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